Companion with Sammy Smart and Henley Cox

On this episode, fembots Jamie, Caitlin, and special guests Sammy and Henley from Too Scary; Didn't Watch podcast discuss Companion (2025)!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the Bechdelcast, the questions asked if movies have women
and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy. Zeph and
Beast start changing with the Bechdel Cast.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Jamie, wake up, the episode is starting.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
The weather is a thousand degrees fuck me. Okay, oh
my god, oh my god. Welcome to the Back Well,
maybe our most feminist introduction yet.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
And I'll go to sleep. Jamie. I don't want to
hear from you anymore.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Okay, look is it? I mean this movie, this movie
got me in so many ways. I was like, do
I want to be negged by Jack Quaid? Sometimes there
are days that is kind of your kink. There are
days where I would accept it. Okay, the feminism continues.
Welcome to the Back Past. My name is Jamie Loftus.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
My name is Caitlin Derante. This is our show where
we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the
Bechdel Test simply as a jumping off point. But Jamie,
what the hell is that?

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Well, I'll tell you. The Bechdel Test is a media
metric created by Iconic friend of the show our best
friend who iconically has not sued us. Alison Bechdel was
originally made as a joke in her wonderful comic series
Dykes to Watch Out four, and has since been adapted

(01:30):
into a more mainstream media metric. There's many versions of
the test. Here's ours. We require that two characters of
a marginalized gender ro pod question Mark speak to each
other about something other than a man for two meaningful
lines of dialogue. Also, they need names. Shouldn't be hard,

(01:52):
but people still struggle with it, and I feel like,
weirdly with the with the fascistic conservative bent we're on,
it's gonna become a thing that doesn't happen again. They're like, oh,
we had women talk in movies for a couple of years,
but thank god it's Oh.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Thank god, that's not happening anymore.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Rip. But here today, we are here to talk about
a recent release. We haven't talked about a lot of
recent releases this year, and I feel like this is
kind of the ideal movie for us to be talking
about because we just revisited her. We've revisited I feel
like the fembot canon in the last year or so,

(02:32):
so I feel ready for spoiler alert today's episode Companion.
Maybe if you haven't seen the movie and you want
to maybe go watch.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
It, go don't listen to this episode because I mean,
obviously we're about to spoil it. But it's a movie.
It's a movie that feels like a movie number one,
number two. It's a movie that the less you know
about the twists, I think think the more rewarding the watch.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
So very true, but also I will say I really
enjoyed the the rewatch it is It is very fun
to kind.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Of rewards on a rewatch. It holds up. Yeah, because
some movies, like the story logic completely falls apart once
you know the twists and you're like, well, why did
that character do that thing?

Speaker 3 (03:21):
But I feel like it it gets kind of better
in many ways when you realize why, especially with the
character Cat, who are going to be talking about a
lot today. It's like, in my first viewing, I was like,
what is this girl's problem? On the rewatch, You're like,
I get a team Cat. Okay, So before we talk
about the movie more, let's get our wonderful guests into

(03:42):
the Damn Chat. Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
They're the hosts of the podcast too scary, didn't watch?
It's Henley and Sammy.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
We will wake up. Wake up, Sammy, wake up.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
We are not fembots, We just do yep wow.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
What We should always intro our guests this way. Our
next guests are not thempods.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
If they just do a pod, just do a podcast.
That's all.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
Thank you guys for having us really excited to be
here and talking about this movie.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
We are also very excited. Yeah. Well, first, before we
get into it, please tell us about the pod. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
Our podcast is called Too Scared Didn't Watch as you
just heard, and it is Henley and I and our
other dear friend Emily talking about horror movies. I love
horror movies. Henley and Emily are too scared to watch them,
and so I basically recap horror movies to them and

(04:43):
to our listeners who are too afraid to watch it.
There's a lot of people who like to read the
Wikipedia summaries of horror movies, so you want to be
in on the conversation, but maybe you don't want to
be seeing those images for yourself.

Speaker 6 (04:57):
So and we try to just giggle and laugh and
have a good time and not feel too too many
sad feelings.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
Which is sometimes hard, which is really even even without
the visuals.

Speaker 6 (05:12):
Yeah, basically for me, it's just an excuse for me
to get to hang out with my two best friends
and then also get to do a podcast at the
same time. But really it's my way of, like secretly
just getting to see you still every week, sometimes twice
a week.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
That's like, actually all I care about. That's beautiful. And
also I've heard about every single horror movie.

Speaker 6 (05:32):
I mean, my god, there's so many and they'll never end,
so we will have like an endless supply to talk about.
But as someone who doesn't like horror movies, I can
tell you so.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Much about horror movies.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yep, well that's great. Well, the nice thing about Companion
is that it's not that scary. In fact, maybe not
scary at all. Question Mark, there's a few graphic scenes, but.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
The thriller, like I don't know how you would like quantify.

Speaker 5 (06:02):
Yeah, yeah, thriller seems closer. There's violence and like blood
and so that if you're sensitive to that. Yeah, people
have different scary tolerances. We've found that. Yeah, some people
just can't handle blood or violence, and some people can't
handle jump scares. And whatnot. So yeah, I would say

(06:23):
that this movie is not scary, but Henley as the
scary cat, what did you think I thought it was?

Speaker 6 (06:27):
Yeah, I didn't think it was too scary. It does
get gory at the end. There's definitely some blood and
violence throughout, but at the end that really, you know,
doubles down our wonderful genius. Beautiful editor Grace sent me
completely unprompted because she knew I was coming on your podcast.
She edited Companion for me and took out any scenes

(06:51):
that involved violence or like scary noises.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Angel Oh my god, can.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
You believe an angel on this earth? Grace truly an
angel on this earth?

Speaker 6 (07:00):
But I watched the real one, even though she was
I really debated, But I felt like if I was
gonna talk about this movie in a real way, I
really needed to actually see the full thing, the full version.
So I'll just show my kids that version that Grace made.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
It won't go to waste. I won't go to waste.
My four year old will love it.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
It's about a nice lady that goes on vacation.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
Beautiful home in the woods.

Speaker 6 (07:25):
It's about a robot that's so cool but so anyway,
I really enjoyed it. I'm glad I had an excuse
to watch it.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, Sammy, but what about you? What's your relationship with
this movie?

Speaker 5 (07:36):
I did see this in theaters without knowing anything about it,
which I think is probably the best way to have
seen it. And I had just heard a lot of
people saying, you know that it was really good and
you should see it. And so I did not know
any of the twists. I had not seen the trailer,
and that was a very fun viewing experience. I was very,

(08:00):
very surprised, even though I feel like I maybe shouldn't
have been as surprised as realist. But but and then, yeah,
just rewatched it for this so and you're right, the
rewatch is rewarding and fun and I yeah, I was
happy to happy to rewatch it.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Hell yeah, Jamie, what about you?

Speaker 3 (08:19):
I also saw it in theaters without knowing anything. I
don't know how I managed to do that. I was
I there were two movies this year that I was
told to go in without any context, and it was
this in Sinners, and unfortunately someone got to me about
the twist and Sinners. I forget who it is, but
it's because i've cut them out of my life. I
suspect good. But this movie I did manage to go

(08:41):
in without any prior knowledge, and the twist got me
as well. I didn't see it coming, and I feel
like it's a well executed twist because you're like, ohh
this people being mean to a random woman scans for
me completely tracks. So unfortunately, it's very plausible that that's
just would have happened. So I got got by the twist,

(09:04):
And yeah, I thought that the Rewatch is very rewarding.
I think like the back half of the movie. I
did not like as much on the Rewatch, but I
think the front half of the movie is really great.
It feels it kind of falls apart for me towards
the end, but yeah, I'm excited to talk about it.
I love I love a fembot movie, and I like that,

(09:28):
you know, there's still that people are still finding original
takes on it that feel very i don't know, unfortunately
scarily modern. So I'm excited kit the what about yourself?

Speaker 2 (09:41):
I also saw it in theaters. Though I had it,
I would not say spoiled for me, but someone compared
it to ex Machina.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Oh that's basically spoiling it jail.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
And so I knew something was up going into it.
I knew that there must be some sort of like
AI robot or something, and I kind of anticipated the
first twist. But then there's a second twist that I
didn't see coming, and we'll get to that in the recap.
But yeah, I still really enjoyed it. I still found

(10:19):
it to be a fun, interesting movie that gives us
a lot to talk about.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Also a huge year for this specific lead actor, Sophie Thatcher,
who was in this and Heretic.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Back to Back, which I also saw in theaters, in
which I also really liked Heretic.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
I don't remember a damn thing that happened, but I
just was like, Oh, it's Hugh Grant being like you
can't leave, and I'm like, yeah, I'll go see that.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
It's Hugh Grant doing a similar villain character as his
villain character in Paddington Too, and I'm here for it.
Also a big year for Zach Kraiger because he didn't
direct or write this movie, but he produced it. And
then he also has weapons out or weapons that came
out earlier this year. But lots of fun people involved,

(11:11):
and I'm excited to discuss.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, let's get into it.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Let's take a quick break first, and we'll come back
for the recap.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
And we're back here. We are back again, ready to
We're awake.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
We've been woken up.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
And let's let's talk about Companion. What happens Caitlyn Caitlyn's
famous recap.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yes, so we open on a dream slash flashback of
Iris played by Sophie Thatcher.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Feels various Stepford Wives reference coded right at the right
from the jump.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Indeed, Yes, Also we see her having a like grocery
store meet cute with Josh played by Jack Quaid. And
then I was reminded of another grocery store meet cute
in another horror movie from recent years, Fresh.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
I was thinking the same thing. I didn't even see Fresh,
and I was thinking that.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
This is the bastionand c.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
So don't meet a man at a grocery store because
it's gonna end horribly and he's gonna be a horrible person.

Speaker 5 (12:27):
I will say, Amana to ask me for my number
once at a grocery store, and I said no, I
just yeah, like was really really caught off. Garden said no, sorry.

Speaker 6 (12:37):
I don't do that here, I don't make business and
pleasure Like, I'm not here for that.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Also, it's like no one's going to a grocery store
to be seen at this time in history.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah yeah, yes, usually after I've like had a sweaty
workout and I don't want to be perceived.

Speaker 6 (12:55):
Actually, you guys, I just saw a TikTok though of
a young man getting stop to go to the grocery
store to try to meet someone. I literally just want
to talk about this, and I felt for him because, honestly,
how do you meet people if you don't want to
meet people on apps?

Speaker 3 (13:11):
That's true?

Speaker 4 (13:12):
How do you do it? That's true?

Speaker 1 (13:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
I don't have an answer.

Speaker 6 (13:15):
But it's not that I feel for these these these
ones who are doing it in good faith, not if
you're trying to put me in a basement and murder me.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
No, thank you, No.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah, true, which I guess in media, we are led
to believe that the guys you meet at the grocery
store are trying to kill you.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Over and over again. It's a trope at this point.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yeah, it feels like it.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, what is that?

Speaker 7 (13:34):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Just demonizing meeting people? I r L I think The
problem is ultimately there is no good way to meet
people because most people suck. Like people were like, should
I do it on the computer in real life? I'm
like either one. Ons aren't good either way on bad results.

Speaker 5 (13:47):
Yeah, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
So Iris and Josh meet at the grocery store. He
spills oranges all over the place and they're giggling about
it in Its so cute, but there's also voiceover from
Iris that foreshadows that she's going to kill him. Cut
to Iris waking up. She and Josh are in his

(14:14):
like self driving AI or whatever car on their way
to a weekend to get away with Josh's friends at
this house on a lake. It's all very rich and
expensive and remote, and the house belongs to Serge played
by Oops. I forgot to write his name. My god,

(14:36):
I was shocked.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
The guy was sg rupert friend, and I was like,
I know this guy. I know this guy, but this
is I'm not used to seeing this guy with a
very put on Russian accent. Guess who he is. He's
mister fucking Wickham from.

Speaker 6 (14:54):
I looked this up too. As I was watching it,
I was going, who is this man? This is not
a Russian person. What is this man doing?

Speaker 3 (15:00):
He's also very obviously not to the point where you're like,
what is this choice?

Speaker 6 (15:06):
It's it's not a slapsticky film in that way. It
is funny, but it's this feels super slapstick and yeah,
mister Wickham. I was shocked too. From Pride and Prejudice, yes.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
I just who who could have seen him coming? My
my fiance was like, oh, from Wes Anderson. I was like,
that doesn't resonate. And I was like, oh, mister Wickham.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
What range this actor has?

Speaker 5 (15:26):
I guess Yeah, everyone from Pride and Prejudice has to
come and do something unrecognizable. Tom from Succession, same thing
where you're just.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Like, yeah, where did this come from?

Speaker 3 (15:36):
So true? Well I was. I was thrilled to see him.
But also that was the third twist of this movie
for me, is that that guy is somehow mister Wickham.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Right, So that's Sarah Gay. He is the boyfriend of
Cat played by Megan Surrey, a friend of Josh's. Also
at this house are another couple, Eli played by Harvey
Gian and Patrick played by Lucas Gage.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
We love Lucas Gauge.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, I love them, love them both and we love Yeah.
Harvey Gan Yes is one of my face quar icons
all around shout out what we do in the shadows.
So Serge is older and doing a very stereotypical Russian caricature,
and he's creepy. Iris meanwhile, is nervous about making a

(16:34):
good impression in front of all these people, and Josh
quite dickishly, is like, calm down, just smile and act happy.
And then you're like, right away, we're like, oh, he's
a prick.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Well, and he's like a very like movie guy kind
of prick because he's like, why don't you smile more?
And it was at this point in the movie where
I was like, this was written by a man, because
there are there and I say that with love. But
sometimes when a man writing a misogynists, they're like, oh,
the kind of guy that says smile more.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
So everyone gets settled in and they have dinner together.
Patrick recounts the story of how he and Eli met
at a Halloween party, which is a great runner. And
then during dinner we see a Chekhov's electric wine bottle opener,
so don't forget that device. And then after dinner, Iris

(17:29):
and Kat have a conversation. Kat does not really like Iris,
or at least the idea of her, and then we
get this sense that maybe Kat and Josh either used
to date or maybe they're still into each other, or
there's something going on with Kat and we'll talk more
about that.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
This scene plays great on the rewatch.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yes, yeah it does. Smash cut to Josh and Iris
having sex and Josh busting going.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
A great bust we could all agree, a great comic bus.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Very funny cut and maybe never want to have sex again.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
And then Josh tells Iris to go to sleep. The
next morning, He's like, I'm hungover, Iris, you get a
head start and go down to the lake. So she
goes to the lake and Saragei shows up and starts
to grab her and force himself on her, so she

(18:31):
stabs him in the neck with a knife that she
mysteriously finds in her pocket, and then she goes inside
and tells Josh and the others what happened, and then
Josh once again says Iris go to sleep, and then
this time we see her eyes glaze over and she
like turns off because twist she's a robot, which everyone

(18:57):
already knows except for Iris, They tie her to a
chair and discuss what to do. They're gonna call the
cops and tell the truth that Iris killed Sergey, that
she must have glitched and that's why she was violent.
But first, Josh wants to say goodbye to Iris, so

(19:19):
he turns her back on and tells her that she is,
in fact a robot, specifically a companion robot. That's the
name of the movie, or as Josh describes it, she's
an emotional support robot. That fucks.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
He's like, I hate the term fuck bot. He's so
sensitive and.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Thoughtful, right, here's so much more than that.

Speaker 6 (19:44):
Meanwhile, she found out she's a robot truly less than
a minute ago, and he's already going, I hate the
term fuck bot.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
For you, I would say, you know, in terms of
learning your whole life has been a lie. She takes
it like quite well. She well, yeah, she's like got it,
got it? Okay, well what now?

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah. She does have a hard time believing it at first,
but he explains how it all works, that he can
customize her. However, he wants as far as like intelligence level,
the sound of her voice, her eye color, the language
she can speak. He explains that her like, quote unquote,
memories are fake. It's all just a part of her programming.

(20:27):
And also part of her programming is that she cannot
lie or physically harm humans, animals, or other companions, with
some exceptions that we'll discuss in a moment. But we
first get a flashback of Iris being delivered to his
home by this company called Empathics.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
And iowa was I don't know if I was just
like not paying close enough attention when I saw it
in theaters, but he's listening to the song Iris Rives,
and you're like, wow, thank you nineties radio for giving
me that information.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Right, So my head canon was like, oh fuck, I
have to name her. I don't know, oh that song.
I was just listening to Iris good enough, It's great,
It's great.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (21:15):
This reminded me of the feeling I got in don't
worry Darling when you find out at the end. Sorry
for spoilers, we don't worry Darling, but like that same
feeling of like, oh God, this is where he lives,
and like you're just wheeling her in in this case
and he's like clipping its toeenails and it's really fluorescent lighting.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
I would say I've only ever seen men do this,
I'm pretty sure, just like clipping the nails wherever the fuck.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
They feel like, straight onto the ground.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Do it over a trash cancer doing nasty, nasty business. Yes,
in any case, she gets delivered. Josh establishes a quote
unquote love link with her AKA they meet. Cute scene
at the grocery store we saw at the very beginning,
and we cut back to the present and Iris finally

(22:03):
believes Okay, yes I'm a robot. But she's like, well,
we can still make this work. We can go home
and I can cook for you and make love to
you and make you so happy. And he's like, m no,
thank you. And then Kat comes in and she's like, Josh,
what the hell, what are you waiting for? Shut her down?

(22:25):
And he's like, you can't say that in front of her.
So they go off to another room and have a
little chat, and we learn that they planned this whole thing.
Josh planted the knife on Iris so that she would
kill Sergey so that they could steal his money. He
has like twelve million dollars in cash in a safe.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
The Sergey character is so all over the place because
there's a random throwaway detail about Sergey that comes back
later that I feel like doesn't really matter, but yeah,
because they're like, oh, he wasn't that bad of a guy.
But I'm like, well he's still has a safe that
has Stalin's birthday as the could so I would say,
and the end he's an assaulter. So yes, why add

(23:09):
the detail that, like he wasn't actually a bad guy,
Like we only saw him be a bad guy. I
didn't need to know that he didn't get rich in
the least ethical way possible.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
I don't know, right right, because at first they're like
he's a mobster and human trafficker, and then.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Later he's just a molestor who's obsessed with Stalin. You're like, okay,
I still don't care that he's dead dead right right?

Speaker 7 (23:31):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
So while Josh and Kat are having this like sidebar
in another room, Iris meanwhile, not wanting to be shut off,
she undoes her restraints, takes Josh's phone that he uses
to customize and control her, and escapes into the woods.
So Josh and the others freak out. They're trying to

(23:54):
figure out what to do. It turns out the Eli
and Patrick we're not in on this, like murder plan,
so they're just kind of now finding out about it.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
And then we.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Also learn that Patrick is also a companion robot. That's
the big twist that I didn't see coming, since I
already kind of knew something was going on with Iris.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Right, I feel like I don't know for me, the
twist that Lucas Gage is a robot, I was like, hmm,
I'm rooting for him. I don't care, Like, yeah, I'm
still rooting for Harvey Julian's character because you could never
make me hate him, and I think the movie kind
of feels that way too. The movie sort of decides like, oh,
we're not going to turn people on.

Speaker 6 (24:38):
I think their relationship is supposed to be kind of
a foil to the other relationship, the other human robot relationship,
because it seems like they actually love each other. Yeah,
and yes, like that's possible amongst a human and a robot,
you can genuinely love each other, Yeah, which is I
think important to establish in this movie, which you might
otherwise walk away from thinking, well, I guess like you don't,

(25:00):
that doesn't really happen, So for them to show it
happening makes it all the more Jack Quit's character all
the more like atrocious exactly.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, So we learn all of that, So the other
characters are kind of freaking out, and they take Serge's
gun and go into the woods to find Iris, who
now knows that she's a robot who has been lied
to and manipulated and forced to commit a murder by

(25:30):
a man who she thought loved her, and whose programming
has been modified because Josh has this hacking modifier device
that he used to turn up her aggression and self
defense response and enabled her to enact violence. And doing

(25:50):
all of these modifications is very illegal, so if the
cops or empathics the company finds out that they modified her,
their fucked. So they have to go find Iris, who
meanwhile is in the woods with Josh's phone, and she
uses it to turn off the voice command that Josh

(26:11):
uses to like control her, shut her off by telling
her to go to sleep, and she also adjusts her intelligence.
Josh had her intelligence level set at forty percent, and
she's like, wow, you bitch, so she boosts it up
to one hundred percent. So now she's like super smart,
and she forms a plan to hijack Josh's car and

(26:35):
get herself back home so that she can get cleaned up,
grab some money, and get away from Josh for good.
But before she can get to the car, she crosses
paths with Eli and Patrick in the woods, who don't
spot her right away, but she overhears them talking, and
she overhears Patrick revealing that he knows he's a robot

(26:58):
and that that like Halloween party meet cute thing was
just like his fake memory love link thing.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
And then you get one of my favorite lines in
the movie, fuck you Dad, I'm in love with a robot. Yes,
followed like kiss kiss, kiss.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Kiss, and maybe they're about to fuck in the woods
question mark. But then they hear Josh's phone vibrate on Iris,
so they go after her. Eli attacks her, They scuffle,
and then Iris ends up shooting and killing Eli, and
she runs off. Josh hears the gunshot he's nearby, and

(27:36):
then he chases her back to the house. She gets
in his car and tells it to drive her home
after she adjusts her voice to match Josh's voice since
it only responds to his voice commands.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
I love this. It was just as enjoyable the second
time as it was the first of the like just
it's like and then randomly act of Quaid's voice exactly mode, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
He's so hard to do convenient for her, But it's
a scene and a good twist on like why you
can't leave the house, that's all you always have to
figure out, why can't you.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Leave the house in the middle of the woods, And
this would be one way. It's voice activated car.

Speaker 7 (28:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Sure. So she's driving off and getting away, but the
car stops when Josh uses Serge's phone to report the
vehicle stolen and to call Iris and say, like, we
can go back to the way things were. We'll just
blame everything on Patrick, and Iris is like, m no,

(28:43):
thank you, I'm breaking up with you, so he's furious again.
Josh goes back to Patrick in the woods, does a
factory reset on him, establishes a love link with Patrick,
and then uses the modify or device so that Patrick
will do whatever Josh wants, and he tells Patrick to

(29:07):
find Iris and bring her back. Cut back to Iris
in the car, a cop pulls up, so she programs
herself to speak German, knowing that the cop won't be
able to understand her, and knowing that she can't lie.
This is her little workaround clever intelligence. But then the

(29:32):
cop eventually sees the bloody knife in the car and
is about to arrest her, but just then Patrick shows
up all like terminator mode and he beats the cop
to death and abducts Iris and brings her back to
the house. She's in sleep mode now because he like
got to the phone and like reactivated the voice command.

(29:55):
And Kat is like, well, fuck this, too many people
are dead now. I'm just gonna take my portion of
the money and leave. So Josh has Patrick stop Cat,
which he does by stabbing her because Patrick is like
one hundred percent aggression mode.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
This is where the movie loses me, where they just
kill off Cat like it seems like because they're like, uh,
because she has to die for the rest of the
movie to work. We'll talk about it, but this is
on the second viewing. This is where I was like,
all right, and then she says the weather before she dies,
and I'm like, all right, women be reporting the weather

(30:35):
to jack Quaid, right, So.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Then Josh wakes Iris back up and has a little
chat with her over dinner. This is the part that
really lost me because I'm like, why are they having
this conversation. Wouldn't this scene go differently based on everything
that's happened up until this point. I found it a
little too like movie. But anyway, she's like laying into him.

(31:04):
She's like, you're pathetic and entitled. So he turns her
intelligence down to zero percent, making her like a mindless automaton,
forces her to burn her arm on the flame of
a candle and then to shoot herself in the head,
thinking that that will like destroy her hard drives so
that they can easily just like pin all of these

(31:27):
crimes on her for when the two guys from the
Empathics Company show up, played by comedians and friends of
the show Matt McCarthy and Jabuki Young White, who reveal
that they're going to scrub through all of Iris's footage
because everything she sees and hears is recorded and stored

(31:49):
in her like memory CPU whatever, which is not.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
In her memory torso exactly, it's in her abdomen ax
memory torso uh huh.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
And so they're able to reset her and boot her
back up. But because she's recorded all this like incriminating footage,
Josh has Patrick kill the two Empathic skies, which he
successfully does with Matt McCarthy's character, and then Patrick is

(32:23):
about to strangle Djabooki's character Teddy, but Iris shows up
and manages to help Patrick remember that Josh is not
his love, that Eli is and Eli's dead. Oh no,
So Patrick ends his own robot life, and so Iris

(32:45):
goes back inside to confront Josh, but not before she
has Teddy give her like total autonomy and self control,
so now she can lie and hurt people and do anything,
and Josh has no control over her anymore, which makes
him furious, and he starts throwing her around very violently,

(33:07):
and they're fighting and he's about to kill her, but
then she goes go to sleep Josh and she drills
the electric wine bottle openers into his skull, killing him.

Speaker 6 (33:20):
So powerful. I didn't know they were that powerful.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
They can go through a human skull.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
That's nuts, I guess so, And then the movie ends
with Iris getting cleaned up. She tears off her like
burnt skin on her hand and exposes her like robot
arm she takes. She takes the twelve million dollars and

(33:49):
drives off in Serge's vintage Mustang, and then as the
credits roll, she drives past a man and a woman
in a car, and the woman looks just like her
but with like different hair, implying that she's also a robot.
So Iris waves her like exposed metal robot hand at

(34:11):
her to communicate like, hey, you're a robot too, So
get the fuck out of there, lady, get away from
that man. The end y.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Hell yeah, let's take another quick break and we'll be
right back to talk about companion.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
We'll go to sleep.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
We'll go to everyone go to sleep, and we're back.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Everyone.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Wake up, everyone, wake up. It's beautiful outside. Let's get
into the discussion. Henley Samby, what stands out to you?
Feel free to kick it off?

Speaker 6 (34:56):
Well, I feel like I was thinking two things when
we were your recap. Well, overall, it's just fun. It's
like a fun movie to watch. I had a good time.
It's a yeah. If I'm gonna like critique anything, maybe
it's just that I wish it had gone deeper into
some of the themes that was trying to explore. For me,
the latter half of the movie makes a lot more

(35:17):
sense if we see jack Quaid's evolution into like becoming
a sociopath more clearly. When she calls him and breaks
up with him in the car. She uses all the
classic breakup lines. She's like, it's not you, it's me.
She says all the classic things, and he's like, are
you breaking up with me? And you see in his
face like I think, anyway, something shift like this is

(35:40):
she has activated a deep wound, some kind of dejection
that's happened here. And literally it's like a light switch
all of a sudden, he's like a super villain, which
he really wasn't before in the movie. And I think
that that shift could have been, like I don't know,
we could have just had a little bit more about
him to really believe that part of it, because yeah,

(36:01):
when they sit down to dinner and he's like sitting
at the head of the table with like a goblet
of red wine and he's like, wake up, virus.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
I'm like, who are you right?

Speaker 5 (36:10):
You're like I thought you were a coward, And yeah,
like makes sense in a satirical way of like that
shift being that's the moment to completely change personality, like
I've been rejected, now I must kill you and make
you suffer. But the movie's not super satirical in that way,
and so yeah, it does feel a little jarring.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
I agree, where.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
Especially when he's yeah, sadistically torturing her and making her
feel pain is right?

Speaker 4 (36:38):
Yeah, where is this?

Speaker 5 (36:39):
Where did this come from?

Speaker 2 (36:40):
It's a bit jarring. But for me, I think the
movie does a pretty good job of characterizing an awful man,
but have like showing a more like maybe modern and
like almost nuanced version of misogyny versus like what we've
seen in the past with a lot of movies and

(37:01):
something that we talk about all the time on this podcast,
like the patriarchy the man type of character.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Right see, I think this is the new patriarchy the
guy character. I think we're going to be seeing a
lot of this guy. I feel like the first time
I clocked this variation of patriarchy the guy was in
Promising Young Woman, the Ba Burnham character.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
I was gonna say, Bo Burnham, I had that thought too.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
And we've been seeing a lot of this guy. And
actually specifically Jack Quaid has played this guy more than once. Yes,
And he also plays this guy in five Cream in
my old scream Scream Crying where it's spoiler alert, he's
one of the ghost faces where and he's he's the nice,
supportive boyfriend. Guess I did not get it. Yes, he's

(37:48):
the five cream ghost face. So this is like a
type of character who I feel like I've seen many
times at this point, and I wanted more of it
because I agree with with you Henley that like it
felt very abrupt, especially with and I feel like so
much of the stuff that I was I don't know.
I didn't think any of this on the first time

(38:09):
I watched this because it's a movie to watch on
a Friday night, like, don't overthink it, but also that's
what we're here to do. So but I feel like
a lot of the issues I was having in the
back half could have been solved if like Kat remained
a relevant character, because I feel like so much is
left on the table. And when he goes super villain mode,

(38:31):
it did not scan for me because he cared about Kat,
he had a crush on her, they'd been friends for
a long time. So when the Jack Quad character does
not react to that at all, that was when I
was like, oh, he is a patriarchy the guy character,
because that's like a completely irrational way, even if he's
a misogynist, which he is, it just like his behavior

(38:53):
in like the last half hour just like kind of
didn't scan for me at all, because he's ultimately a
coward and I felt like he was not going he
was not choosing cowardly things in the last half hour,
and his crush died in front of him.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
Because of him.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
It was his fault. Like, I don't know, I guess
I wanted to see him kind of crash out, and
you can crash out in a misogynist way, We've all
seen it, but like I just sort of, I guess,
was wondering why there wasn't a reaction to that. She
just felt so like, oh, yeah, we have to get
rid of this character or the movie can't end. But

(39:34):
it was like there's so much left on the table
with her. That conversation between her and Iris at the
beginning is so cool to rewatch because it's like kat
is feeling frustrated because she's being treated like a robot.
And then there was like a moment in that conversation
where she's like, well, look who I'm talking to. I'm
talking to a fucking robot about misogyny. Great, and at

(39:56):
that we were like, Okay, let's explore that more. Yeah,
But once the twist happens. I feel like kat Her
like significance in the plot drops off significantly to the
point where they're like, and then Lucas Gage kills her
question mark, Like, it just felt like her character was
I don't know, I yeah, on this watch, I was like,

(40:17):
why did they make those choices about her?

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah? I agree with all of that. I guess my
thing is like, and yes, this is a version of
the like patriarchy the guy character with what we see
in Josh, and then we get like one of the
more classic versions of that character with Sergei, who is like,
oh yeah, a rapist, but with I don't know, with Josh. Yeah,

(40:43):
we're seeing this trope of like this version of the
patriarchy the guy character in more recent movies. But I
still think it's a kind of a refreshing alternative to
the more cartoonish version that we've seen in whatever years past.
I guess it's like his misogyny isn't quite so mask off.

(41:07):
It's more covert, the way that misogyny is more covert
these days. It's still very present, but I feel like
misogynists have gotten better at masking it a little bit more,
And I feel like Josh's character is like for a
heightened thriller comedy. His character is like a decent representation

(41:31):
of that. Yeah, still not perfect, but like I think
it's it's handled like decently well in this movie.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Yeah, he reminds me.

Speaker 6 (41:39):
I feel like it's almost stripped straight from online culture,
this version of misogyny in manhood, because I don't know
for me anyway, I feel like I see a lot
of content about people being like the men who have
done me the dirtiest in Brooklyn are all reading bell Hooks.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Yeah, they're all right.

Speaker 6 (41:57):
You know, they're performative for mean some version of feminism
that whether they know it or not, they don't actually
mean and is for selfish purposes. And who knows if
they actually you know, read a single line of Bellhooks
in reality, but they're carrying it around with them at

(42:20):
the subway, so trying to signal to everyone that they're
a good person or a good guy. It's like those
the signals have changed. Yeah, and that's what we're seeing
a little bit here with Jack Quaid.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Right, Definitely, he's really I mean, he's really good at
playing this part. Yeah, and yeah, like you're totally right,
Kaitlin that like with Sergei, we sort of get the
for some reason via mister Wickham, another famously shitty guy.
So maybe that's the through line there, but that like
we're seeing different kinds of guys who suck. I guess

(42:57):
I'm just like, maybe it's a personal preference thing, but
it's like I just wanted something new because I was like, okay,
I Bo Burnham, I got got by bo Burnham, but
that was like five years ago. I gotta give me
a new flavor on this guy.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Well, the thing is with Josh is that I don't
think the intention of the movie is that you get
got by him, because his misogyny is pretty on display.
It's maybe more subtle than the Sergae character. But that
scene where they arrive at the house and Iris is
expressing her insecurities about like, oh my gosh, what if

(43:32):
I embarrass myself in front of your friends or say
something stupid? And then he's like, shut up, oh my god,
you're just now bringing this up twenty feet from the door.
Just be cool, Chill the fuck out.

Speaker 5 (43:45):
You know.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
He's not using quite that language, but he's saying like
it's fine, just act happy in smile and then obviously
his misogyny runs way deeper than that, because I mean,
he's a man who wants a romantic partner who he
can control, and he has her intelligence level set to
a small fraction of what like, he wants someone who

(44:07):
he can manipulate.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
And maybe what I'm getting at is, like, I guess
what I part of because the performative guy thing is
is everywhere in the real world right now. I feel
like there's a lot of guys that like, saw me
too happen ten years ago. They're like, Okay, I have
to adjust the language to be a dickhead now, but
I feel like a lot of them are not aware

(44:28):
they're doing it, And so I feel like it starts
with Jack Wade being an asshole, but like an asshole
who still fundamentally thinks he's a good guy. And then
at the end he's acting so villainous, like not flinching
when his dear friends are being stabbed by robots in
front of him, that you're that it felt like it
kind of like lost sight of the kind of shitty
guy I thought he was.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
That's true, right, because also, yeah, his friend Eli dies,
his friend slash crush Cat dies, and he's like, well,
moving on, I need that twelve million dollars.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:01):
I definitely think the scariest part of the movie is
the scene with Sergey where he's just like slowly like
pushing the boundary and like asking her to put on
sunblock for him, and like that part was so effectively upsetting,
and I think that's probably like the part of the
movie where I was the most like scared too.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah, he's also manipulating her because he says something like,
oh do you like this nice house?

Speaker 7 (45:29):
Right?

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Do you like this delicious food that I've provided? Are
you comfortable?

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Well?

Speaker 2 (45:34):
If so, I did that, and therefore you owe me something.
You owe me your presence and your company, so stay
here with me, and blah blah blah. And then he
gets more overtly grabby and a salty But yeah, he's
trying to manipulate her up until that point and because
of her program, but also there's like a societal mirror

(45:57):
of that, of like women being socialized to be polite
and accommodating. She's like, yeah, you're right, you did invite
me here, and I am enjoying the nice house, so.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Which becomes even like wilder when it's like, oh, this
is also how she's been programmed, likely by men, to
behave In response to something like that, I wanted more
of it, where she again with I'm gonna just like
fixate on the fact that I wish that she and
Kat had like had a more because Kat is coming
from such an interesting place where she is being treated

(46:33):
like shit by mister Wickham. Also she is frustrated, like
it seems like she is, like it's one of those
choices where there's two women in this movie and they
hate each other for reasons unclear, probably related to a guy. Like, Okay,
we've seen that a million times, but when you rewatch it,
you're like, no, she hates like she doesn't trust robots,

(46:54):
which I think is a very reasonable place to be
coming from. And I guess I wish that they got
into that a little bit more outside of the idea
of a romantic relationship, because I don't think that it is. Again,
it's tricky because I love fembot movies and I'm always
rooting for the fembot to kill everyone, but also, you know,

(47:15):
I'm in real life, I'm really not rooting for the
robots to kill anybody. I actually like really don't want
them to. Yeah, and I'm afraid of them, and so
I feel like there is like a I don't know.
I was really kind of connecting with kat on this
viewing where you're like, well, would I be nice to

(47:37):
a robot? I don't know.

Speaker 6 (47:40):
Also, if you are like a single woman in the world,
and sexual politics is already complicated enough, the like the
playing field is already imbalanced enough, and then you throw
in fucking fembots into the equation. So like, now I've
got to compete with robot who's literally designed by men
to be like perfect, quote unquote perfect and do whatever

(48:02):
they want. And the version that they've designed is so
demeaning actually at the end of the day and depressing
because literally the only point of her existing is to
serve Josh. I think that also, as like a human woman,
you would be thinking, how how am I to live
in this world where, right, the man gets to have

(48:26):
a fembot and everyone thinks it's okay, that's another thing, Right,
this is clearly normalized in this world. No one gives
a shit. Everyone's like, that's cool, you get a fembot.
You do you? You would think there'd be some level
of shaming some level of like you can't even bag
a human woman, you have to get a robot. No,
they don't care. They don't care about that at all.
And as a human woman, that would bother me.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (48:47):
Yeah, And the word she uses is you make me
feel so replaceable, and it is like, yeah, depressing thought
to think of men being like, oh yeah, let's get
rid of the human aspect and just make a little.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Little fuck bot, an automaton who's who exists only to
serve me and accommodate me, and who the men have
to put in no emotional effort to care for them,
because the men can just be like go to sleep.
Because there's also that scene like right after they have
sex and he busts, she's like trying to kind of

(49:21):
connect with connect with him emotionally and has like after
care and pillow talk and then he's just like go
to sleep and.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Like and I feel like the movie plays on that
really well of like on the rewatcher, like, oh, I
just thought he treats women poorly, but he he's treating
women poorly in a way I didn't even understand. And
that's another cool I don't know conversation where it's like
that to some extent is happening, like you can have
an AI girl friend now, and you know whatever. I

(49:49):
don't really even want to wait into the shallow end
of that discussion, but but I feel like, in general,
so much of why these performative men exist, I feel
like is because they're like, Okay, now, I understand that
in order to have access to women at all, I
need to treat them with the most basic veneer of respect.

(50:10):
But when you put the fuck bot into the mix,
that goes away, Like they're like, I can treat this
robot however I want. There is no like if you
are a piece of shit. You're like, there is no
advantage to treating any woman with a measure of respect
because I can just have my fuck bought at home.
Who cares.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
And we learn later in the movie from Matt McCarthy's
character that some men are using their robot companion women
as target practice, or that they chain them up in
the basements and torture them.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
It's like you're like, yeah, yeah, I see that.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Well, okay, so I agree that, Like the conversation that
Kat has with Iris really rewards on the rewatch because
at first you think cats maybe gel of Iris because
she and Josh either used to have a thing or
that she has feelings for him. And then when she
says that Iris makes her feel replaceable, that implies, Oh,

(51:12):
Kat and Josh used to date, and then he broke
up with her in favor of dating Iris. That's what
you interpret from the first watch. From the second watch,
you're like, Oh, Cat is resentful of this world where
men have these fuck bots that exist to serve their

(51:33):
every physical and emotional and housekeeping need. Also, it seems
like she does like the cooking and cleaning for Josh
and all that, and so that would make any human
woman feel yeah, like replaceable, inadequate, et cetera. But I
think that Cat's anger is a bit misplaced. Sure, sure,

(51:56):
like she doesn't necessarily want to hang out with a
robot lady, But I don't understand why she's not more
upset with Josh or men like Josh who would choose
a robot over a human woman, or like whatever the
company that's creating these fembots. So I wish that had

(52:17):
gone like, I don't know, I wish that it had
been handled differently. And I think if it was not
written by a man, if this movie was written by
a woman, her attitude would have, like her anger would
have been maybe directed elsewhere.

Speaker 6 (52:31):
The other part of that dynamic is how having a
fuck bot would affect a man. This is another part
of like patriarchy harms everyone. Which is sure, it sounds
nice having a relationship that is so deeply convenient and
frictionless and easy and they do everything you want. However,

(52:52):
Josh Quaid like Josh Quaid, jack Quaid, Josh quad, Josh Quaite, sure,
that's his name.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
Now he kind of.

Speaker 6 (53:00):
Hates her, Like even from the beginning, he doesn't like her.
And it's because she's just him. It's she's just a
version of him.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
Yeah, that's my child trying to open the door.

Speaker 6 (53:15):
And she's like she's to Like basically he's seen himself
in her.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
I mean, how could he not. All that's my.

Speaker 6 (53:24):
Husband trying to get my four year old to not
burst in here because he really wants to talk about
fembots if we need.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
To take Yeah, he watched the edited version. He's a
huge fan.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
He has so much to say, so much on his mind.

Speaker 6 (53:38):
Sorry, that point kind of interrupted, but basically, like he
hates her, which we see by the end of the film.
He means he's torturing her by the end because he
must be harboring some hate for her and is inside
of himself because he doesn't act. This is not what
anyone wants. No one acts. This is not real connection,
This is not real. This is not life affirming. This
is not making us better people. This is not like
adding to like how dynamic and beautiful life can be.

(54:02):
This is really tiny. Is a way to live your
life in the.

Speaker 5 (54:06):
Tiniest little the safeness, a little flattening it. Yeah, and he.

Speaker 6 (54:11):
On some level must know that and hate that about himself,
and it just sucks for everyone.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Yeah, basically totally.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
That's a really good point. Yeah that like he and
against Like, I wish that we had seen that a
little more of like this comes from a place of
insecurity and self hatred, and that is like a useful
thing to see and understand in men.

Speaker 7 (54:34):
M m.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Yeah, it all feels like all of the opportunities and
like everything is there and you can see it, but
the way it comes together just feels like there's like
a lot left on the table because I'm not even
like I wouldn't even really care that Kat is rude
to Iris at the beginning if that pays off in
some way, but it doesn't change, like she's just like

(54:58):
fuck her, I hate her, even when she's like she's
seeing these like shades of gray in her friend Josh
Quaid that and she doesn't really react to it either.
I was like, so, are we just to believe that
every person in this movie except sort of Harvey Julian
is a tremendous piece of shit, Like I'm on board

(55:20):
for that, but I need to understand, like why they're
not reacting to certain things. I don't know. I mean,
I do, like I love I love a tech thriller,
and I just I feel like, with especially with how
people are feeling about AI at this specific moment, it
only kind of went like surface level, where yeah, there's

(55:42):
so many things to be scared of both.

Speaker 5 (55:45):
Right, Yeah, it does feel like that first act is
like was the impetus of the idea, and they're like, Oh,
this is gonna be so good. It's gonna be so good.
Sold it on that, and then yeah, like we're like, oh, yeah,
we have to write the rest of it, Okay, like
let's build that in. So I agree, it does kind
of it's super satisfying in the first third or first

(56:07):
half even and then yeah, a lot of those threads
get dropped or just kind of watered down. Yeah, so
it's it's it's a fun movie that doesn't like, doesn't
stick with me as much as I would like it too,
because I'm just yeah, didn't quite get all the way there.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
But here's a question, can I even think off the
top of their head of a fembot movie that was
like made by a woman. Not to put anyone in
particular on blast, but like, I feel like most of
these movies are made by men. Uh for going to
Blade Runner, We're going to ex Makana. These are movies I.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Like, Stepford Wives, step.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Ford Wives, I'm pretty Sworld west World, Like, these are
movies that I'm pretty sure are made overwhelmingly by men.
And and what I mean, I know why, but like
but but maybe maybe don't. I don't know. I don't
have much, I have no power. But it's just like
I love a fembot movie, but I usually have some

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kind of issue with it that is similar to this,
that just feels like maybe if a single woman, the
movie doesn't even have to be good. Women's wrongs as well,
but like I just feel like there's always like there's
always something that just feels like weirdly and very obviously
left on the table. And if you're choosing to make

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a fembot movie, you're walking into a feminist discussion. Like
if you didn't want that, then you shouldn't have made
a fembot movie. Like there is going to be a
discussion around genter with this. But it is just like this,
I mean, this is like not a call out to
this movie in particular, but just as I was like
going through the other fembo oh and we just covered
her another like malo to her movie. Who made three again?

Speaker 4 (58:01):
Oh that's a man, I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 5 (58:04):
I'm pretty sure man.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
And look at God. Yes, written by a woman, So
that's good.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Written by Aquila Cooper, who also co wrote Malignant. Heallo.
So I mean like it does, but I mean I
don't know, just like another O Tour movie about a
fembought by a guy. I'm like, maybe next time, let's
let's try something.

Speaker 6 (58:27):
Different, someone else do it. I love the version of
this movie. If okay, let's take this movie, we make
it twenty minutes long.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
All right, all right, everything that happened.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
I love it.

Speaker 6 (58:36):
Twenty minutes then she because it's like, in a way,
a coming of age film for a robot. Right, that's
really interesting too, her character development. She's wearing like nineteen
sixties clothes in the beginning that she's been given by empathics.
By the end, she's got her robot arm revealed. She's
wearing leather and jeans, and she's like about to ride
off into the distance. So okay, so let's say that

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happens twenty minutes in and then it's like, what does
this bitch do? You know?

Speaker 4 (59:03):
Like what happens next? Does she run for office?

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Like?

Speaker 4 (59:07):
What is what's happening?

Speaker 6 (59:09):
Is she gathering all the other robots together and making
a robot army for an uprising? Is she doing a
robot uprising? Is she just having a small cottage core
life like experiencing you know, maybe like spelunking, going into
you know, doing some like fun whimsical things in nature.
I don't know, but it's kind of fun to think
about that version of this story too.

Speaker 5 (59:30):
Yeah, this that like brings up another question. I know
it's like silly in a joke of the robot uprising,
but her scenes with the Lucas Gauge character. I feel
like that I was also having not really questions about
but maybe like could there have been more there? I

(59:51):
actually like can't remember now even anything they will said
to each other.

Speaker 6 (59:56):
It's implying that they have consciousness because he can feel.
He just GRIBs love and Patrick the robot describes his
love for Eli in very poetic, beautiful human terms, like
it seems like this is a robot instilled with consciousness,
which is a whole other conversation we could be having
because it seems pretty obvious these robots have consciousness and

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for these humans who are ignoring that, I'm like, right,
would it be that easy to ignore someone who seems
like a feeling, thinking person and treat them that way?

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Yeah, I wrote this down and then was like this
is out of my pay grade, but like I just
forne Turing Test question mark because theoretically, okay, like if
it's a reveal that Lucas Gauges a robot and some
people don't know that Lucas Gauge is a robot unless
they're told, then like he's clearing the Turing test. If

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you're clearing the Turing test you have consciousness, and if
you have consciousness, theoretically there would be like I don't.

Speaker 8 (01:00:56):
Know, like there are implications for that, right, Like yeah,
like you're saying like people would be behaving a little
differently or there would be some conversation around like they
meant that there is kind of like a YadA YadA
like Empathics we'll get in trouble, but it's like not
clear if it's like I don't know, right.

Speaker 5 (01:01:14):
There's like legal limits to what their intelligence can be
or something like maybe they had put some sort of
limits on or intended to put limits on them, and yeah,
I don't know, I mean I guess, yeah, getting into
the legality of it is maybe not did.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
You have robot court drama that the movie touches on
this very briefly without being specific at all, but it's
this flashback scene where Iris is like being delivered to
Josh's apartment and there are a couple Empathics employees to
like facilitate that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
And one of them is kind of going through a
few different logistical things with Josh and he says like
there are about a billion government regulations here, so obviously
we can't like they can't have super strengths or super intelligence.
So even if you set it to one hundred percent intelligence,
that would be the equivalent of an IVY League grad,

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which doesn't necessarily even imply intelligence. That just implies that
your parents are well connected and have a lot of money.
But it's not as though they are one hundred percent capacity,
like they have these regulations that limit the intelligence and
limit the strength, but also like additional limitations as far

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as like they have no capacity to lie, they have
no capacity to be violent unless their behavior has been
like hacked and modified with these like hacking devices.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
I'm fine with the hacking device. I'm like a vague
hacking device. Why not a hacking stick, the hacks the
hack stick? Uh, the mystery bock? Sure?

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Why not?

Speaker 6 (01:03:01):
And then it's implied that happens all the time when
they're when your friends are wheeling them out and they're like, oh,
she's definitely modded, like of course she was modded, and
they're so casual about it, like it happens all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
This happens all the time. This is not the first
robot murder and it won't be the last. Yeah, I
don't know, but yes, speaking to like her Iris's relationship
with Lucas Gage. Again, I'm like, this to me does
not feel like a movie where everyone has to die
except for Iris, Like it felt bizarre to me that
people kept dying after I felt like it made sense.

(01:03:31):
I guess where like cat dying felt like I don't know,
killer and like sort of similar to Lucas Gage, where
I was like, Okay, now we're getting into like robots suicidality,
Like does that mean Lucas Gage he's gonna see Hervey
Julian in heaven? Does he believe in heaven? Does he
believe in God? I don't know why. I don't know.

(01:03:52):
I guess that that is like supposed to illustrate the
point that like he does have consciousness and he can
experience such tragic loss that he could experience suicidality. But
I'm also like, I'm also fine with Iris and Lucas
Gage robot going on a road trip.

Speaker 5 (01:04:07):
That's what I was kind of rooting for. I think
that that's what I wanted. As we're talking about it,
I'm thinking, yeah, they can, they can both ride off
into the sunset, right, But.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
That's not what happened. That's no one I kind of forgot,
Like on the rewearch, I was like, what does happen
to the other robot?

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
And then you're like, oh, okay, that Like his death
scene felt so like to me tacked on or like, oh,
we just need to get rid of him. So he
does that, but I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Think you need to get rid of him, Like I
think I would have liked to see either human woman
and fembot unionized or robot and robot unionized.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
Yeah, a teamy nappy would have been like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
That would have been fun.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
I agree, speaking to the different times where like the
movies starts to kind of say something, but like those
threads unravel or doesn't like stick the landing in a
satisfying way. There's that monologue or I guess it's a
dialogue between Josh and Iris at the dinner table at

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the end where Josh is describing how, oh, the world
is just a big game and it's rigged against people
like me, which feels like commentary on Cisheit white men
feeling as though.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
Oh, I there's a war on everyone's against me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Yeah, Because he says then like I'm a good guy,
I'm nice, I'm decent in the world. He's implying like
the world owes him things just because he's a quote
unquote nice guy, which of course he's not, but he
thinks that about himself, so he feels entitled to you know,
women and money and blah blah blah, and Iris then

(01:05:59):
respond with like, yeah, we all know, how much do
you think the universe owes you? But you know, you're
an entitled prick who always needs to be in control.
And then she also makes a dig about his penis size,
which is something that we've talked about on the podcast before,
which like, yeah, that's probably gonna hurt a lot of

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people's feelings if their penis size is insulted. But there's
like inherent problematic things with just using that as an
insult period. But it just felt like another example that
whole dialogue of like there's commentary starting to be made,
but then it kind of tapers off into nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Well, but it's like, how much of that doesn't mean
If that is immediately followed by us seeing a woman
shoot herself in the head, you know, like how like,
you know, whatever, I'm fine if if the movie, if
the Fembot movie is like we have nothing to say
about women, that's a choice. But it it's like, I
feel like this movie says something and then shows you
something else.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
I wasn't really buying the feminist empowerment speech at the table.
I wasn't feeling it right.

Speaker 6 (01:07:12):
I was thinking that scene at the table. Really, I
was feeling so many feelings. And one of the first
feelings was him sitting like so smug with his fucking
goblet of wine.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
Like truly, he might as well have been patting a
cat or something.

Speaker 6 (01:07:27):
Truly is so villainous, so evil. And the only thing
I could think was he has failed upwards, like he
has totally gotten to this point only because he's made
one mistake after another mistake after another mistake after another mistake,
constantly getting things wrong, never judging the scenario correctly. Everyone

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around him has died, Everything has gone to shit. And
look at the audacity. Look at the audacity of this
man who says, now now's my time to be like
super confident. And it's like that to me. Also, oh
just makes my like I get goosebumps, because I do

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feel like I have worked with some men who are
like that, and it exist in the world, and it's
remarkable how the human brain can really trick you into anything.

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
Yeah, I don't know, right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Like you said, that happens in real life all the time,
men feeling upwards and then being like, well, I've moved upwards.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
I get my accomplishment.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
Look at the proof of my success.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
I've killed everyone else, so I must deserve this, So
I must be awesome, and this confidence is deserved. Yep,
I don't know. Ultimately, I think my takeaway from this
movie is that I want women to make fembot movies
going forward. Nothing against I mean like it's nothing against

(01:08:55):
this filmmaker or anything like that, but just like, leave
the fembots to the girls. I think men have really
had their say, yeah, and they've had plenty of opportunities
to make a comment. And it does feel like this
movie is trying to say something about it, but it
just like doesn't quite come together. Also, yeah, again, and

(01:09:16):
just like going back to just like time warn horror
tropes where this movie feels more like a thriller movie
than a horror movie. Anyways, I don't think everyone needs
to die. But by the end of the movie, basically
Iris is the final girl and the gays have been buried.
Every the people of color all dead, so is Jack

(01:09:37):
quite Like everyone's dead, But it just didn't feel like
that was needed. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:09:43):
Yeah, it focused more on cranking up the violence and deaths.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Than like the actual story.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Yeah itself.

Speaker 5 (01:09:53):
That said, it's like again very fun, a fun surprise,
but then yeah, when you really dig into it, there's
less than.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
You might then you wanted. Yeah, something that bumped from
me was the violence toward the very end, where where
Josh is like very violently throwing Iris around. It felt
like I already know he's a bad guy. Like why
it felt like kind of reveling in a man being

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horribly violent toward a woman.

Speaker 5 (01:10:25):
Yeah, it would have been nice if they added some
like a twist on that because she's theoretically like made
of metal, so him like trying to hurt her in
that way and maybe not being able to because she's
much heavier or something. I don't know, Like I kind
of was expecting something a little different in that scene

(01:10:46):
and then no, it was just him just like being
violent towards her in a way that was.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Hard to watch.

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
It was really hard to watch, right because at this.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Point Iris has total autonomy. This is after the teddy
Empathics guy like gave her autonomy.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
It's diocex djabuki.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
In theory, she probably would be stronger and sturdier, right
than a human person. Yeah, why doesn't she go into
like again terminator mode and like rip him in half?

Speaker 5 (01:11:20):
Yeah? True, we've seen Lucas Gage do it, and so
it does feel like it kind of wanted that scene
to be in there where he realizes he's not stronger
than her.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Maybe Empathics is really sexist and they make the like
male coded robots out of like titanium and then they
make the like women ones out of like aluminum. Help.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't. I guess I didn't even think
about that. But there's like, I mean, just going back
into horror trumps we've talked about since the show started.
Of like, I am both very pro corkscrew to the
head the very creative, haven't seen that one before? And
also is it not a household object where as Lucas
Gage robot it has a fucking glock. Like the whole time,

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everyone has a gun except our final girl, who is
still using the household object to get the final kill.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
She does wheeld the gun for a minute and then
shoot at Josh. But yeah, it gets dropped pretty shortly
after that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:19):
Yeah, and I guess I appreciate also the for having
a quote unquote buck bought in the movie not having
like a very graphic sex scene. Yeah, is I think
the right right choice. Like all of the sex scenes
are either off camera and you basically only hear Jack
Quaid like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Busting the bus.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
That's true, that's true.

Speaker 5 (01:12:44):
Or getting close ups of him. You never see any
really any overly sexualized shots of Sophie thatcher at all.
So I appreciate that decision very true.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Yeah, I guess that that is kind of like a
hallmark of the fembot. They're like, she's not a per
and so look away to look at.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Her like perfect titties.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
Yeah, the factory made booze and then she like grabs them.
She's like, wait are these good? Yeah, that's true. That
is true. That shows that shows some restraint and I
respect them straight.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
But also the bar is in hell.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Just like wow for making a movie about women, Like
she didn't grab her titties?

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Ally ally, Yeah, does anyone have anything else they want
to talk about?

Speaker 5 (01:13:35):
This is not really here nor there, but I did
see in the trivia and just wanted to say it
that Sophie Thatcher can cry from one eye, from each
of her eyes on command, which I just that happens
in Babylon and I thought, you know that that well,
that could never happen in real life. And apparently Sophy Thatcher.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
Can do it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
So just she can do like one I at a time,
and like, yeah, choose, which I.

Speaker 5 (01:14:01):
Apparently, I mean according to IMDb trivia, so it's you know,
not one hundred percent reliable, but I'm going to.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Actually I'm going to say, yes, yeah, talent. She rocks.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
To me, she's actually yeah robot Yeah no, no, no,
but wow, that's that is quite something.

Speaker 5 (01:14:23):
Yeah, it just seemed important to share.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
I'm excited to see more Sophie Thatcher. I'm like, yeah,
she's also just for what it's worth, like her performance,
I feel like is like the movie doesn't work if
she's not convincingly a robot and still very sympathetic, and
she she kills it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
She's great.

Speaker 5 (01:14:41):
I have a friend who just worked with her on
a on a movie and also says that she is wonderful,
So that's always nice to hear too.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Hell yeah, yeah, I guess the last thing I had
to say, and I guess this is I mean, you
guys know better than anyone. Like it's I feel like
horror movies are single handedly kind of keeping like original
storytelling alive. This movie was financially successful. It's nice seeing
and it's the filmmaker's first first movie that he directed.

(01:15:11):
So even when I have various little gripes, I'm like
always happy when an original story comes out and is
properly marketed and successful. So that rocks totally.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
And it really could have been way worse.

Speaker 6 (01:15:24):
I have heard way worse, way worse than horror movies,
way worse. So this is like a fun walk in
the park compared to what they could have done with
female sex spots.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
It's true. Yeah, we have the evidence. It's all around amazing. Well,
I guess that does it. I forgot to pay attention
to God does it pass excels test?

Speaker 5 (01:15:50):
I had a question mark on this because and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
You guys, we're the experts in theory.

Speaker 5 (01:15:55):
You're the experts. But the only real option is that
conversation with Kat.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
And I do feel like their most talking about their
respective boyfriends. I mean, there might be an exchange that
passes like inside of that conversation.

Speaker 5 (01:16:08):
She says, it's not you that I don't like, it's
the idea of you. You make me feel replaceable. And
Sophie Thatcher says, like, but Kat, you're so brave and fierce.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Confidently, Yeah, I wish I could be more like you.

Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
But it's all kind of about the larger contor for men.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Yeah, right, exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:16:28):
So I was confused if it did or not.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Like maybe it's a technical pass, but also looking at
the larger circumstances, maybe not. But also I have a
theory that movies, especially ones that are written and directed
by men in the modern era, know about the Bechdel
Test and they're like, shit, I have to write are

(01:16:54):
two women. I have to make them talk her else everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
Will yell at me. I would say it like spiritually
for me this movie, I don't know, Like I think
spiritually yes and no, because Iris is a great character,
Like I'm rooting for her the whole time, YadA YadA.
But it's like if you if you, as a male filmmaker,
decided to make a movie about a fem bot and

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you're having these this clearly like intended to be performative.
Male guy they're like I needed to pay off in
a more meaningful way than this movie does.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Also, it's like if Kat doesn't like Iris, which gets
clearly established in which Kat more or less says why
is she, then like, I feel like that scene needs
to be framed differently, where like kind of Iris pulls
cat aside to be like, Hi, can we like have
a little like one on one chat girl to.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
Girl or something like that, But it's like, I guess
we don't. Yeah, how does that what motivates that scene happening?
I thought it was just because they were just kind
of bored and the men in the room were ignoring them,
were yeah, right, right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
But that's why I think. I think the way it's
framed makes that scene almost feel tacked on, and like
further supports my theory that it's like, oh no, I
need to write a scene.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Where women interact.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Oh my god. Because it's like the way it's framed,
it just again, it feels very it feels kind of
wedged in, and you could take out that scene and
basically nothing about the narrative would change. Yeah, So I
feel like it could have been maybe like justified narratively
a bit more if it was again like Iris having
the agency to approach Cat and be like, hey, it

(01:18:35):
seems like you don't like me. Can we talk about
why or something like that, or if.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
They like ever spoke again after that, which I think
now I'm like, maybe that scene was added.

Speaker 5 (01:18:46):
Yeah, I was gonna say, just need another conversation.

Speaker 6 (01:18:48):
Yeah, Well, part of me wants to watch that scene
and then just the little scene of after Cat gets
stabbed and she goes and sits on the couch and
she just bleeds out quietly next to Iris, who's turned off,
and she's just they're both looking outside, looking at the weather,
and part of me wants to like watch the first
scene of them talking and then immediately watch that scene

(01:19:10):
because it's like, wow, look at where that conversation got
you guys. It's not in a good place.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
Yeah, yeah, where It's like, I don't know, in other
fembot movies that I also like, because I do like
this movie for everything that we've said, right, it's fun,
But like for other fembot movies, I feel like when
women don't talk it is for a clear reason. Like
the reason women aren't talking in Ex Machina is because
Alicia Vyskandor is locked in a cell like there she

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is being intentionally.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Kept and Ascar Isaac has programmed his other fembots to
not be able to speak at all.

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
Question mark like just dance.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
Yeah, right, like it is it is important to the
story that like women can't talk to each other because
when they do, they kill Oscar Isaac. Right, But in
this it's like it just feels very unmotivated. Why there
are no further conversations and then the only other woman
is like killed off. To me, it just felt like
because the story never really decided what to do with her.

Speaker 5 (01:20:11):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's the biggest takeaway for me
is just like that exactly what we said, A lot
left on the table there and an opportunity to have
a more interesting conversation that didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
And then the most important metric of all, the pectel
Cast nipple test, is.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Where we rate the movie on a scale of zero
to five nipples, examining it through an intersectional feminist lens.
For me, I think this is like a split down
the middle. It's not like it's trying to say something,
it's trying to comment on gender and it's trying to
comment on the type of misogyny that especially in like

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hetero men or men who are interested in women and
want to be with them romantically and or sexually, but
their misogyny means that they hate women and don't view
women as human beings with thoughts or feelings. And in
this case, it's a man who wants a partner he

(01:21:15):
can control and customize and who will not have to
be emotionally present for yep, who will obey his every
emotional need, but he does not have to reciprocate that
at all, who won't like upstage him intellectually or anything
like that. He has a very specific idea of what

(01:21:38):
he thinks he wants from a romantic partner, and look
how it ends up. Because Henley, to your point, like
really horrible men might think they want a woman who
they can control or who he won't have to do
any like emotional reciprocity with or anything like that. But
it's so surface and superficial that that doesn't actually serve

(01:22:03):
anyone but he. But he thinks that's what he wants
and needs, and then it gets him killed. So there's
commentary that like is present. I think we just all
agree that it could go, It could have gone a
bit further and it would have been a more satisfying movie.
And again, Jamie, to your point, led people have marginalized genders.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
Literally anything anyone else, like literally like just not another
white guy making a fembot movie. I just don't think
there is something new to say from that demographic at
this time.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
Definitely yep. So I'll say two and a half nipples
and I'll give them two Sophie Thatcher and Megan Surry
who plays Cat and my half nipple to the hack Stick.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
I'll go to it a half as well. Yeah, I
think that, like like a lot of movies in this genre,
like it Start. I don't know, it's so weird talking
about like this genre of movie like post get Out,
because I feel like there is now this expectation that
there needs to be overt social commentary in every movie,
but like not if you don't really have anything to say,
I'm going two and a half nipples. I'm gonna give

(01:23:25):
one to Iris, I'm gonna give one to Djabouki. I'm
gonna give the half one to Harvey Julienne. I wish
he had stayed a live longer.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
I know, Sammy Henley, how about you agree about the nipples?
About the nipples full agree?

Speaker 5 (01:23:43):
Yeah, I'll do I'll do three nipples, why the heck not?

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
Why not?

Speaker 6 (01:23:48):
Hell yeah, just go for it, Sammy do three.

Speaker 5 (01:23:54):
Just slightly tipping towards positive in that. Yeah, I think
you tried. They tried. We didn't get there, but I
will give the three nipples to the cool exposed robot

(01:24:16):
hand I really liked that one. To the beautiful house
and Lucas Gage Terminator style.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
Yes, I would love to see another Lucas Gage Terminator
concepts just.

Speaker 4 (01:24:33):
To spin off.

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
Yeah, thank you, Thank you both so much for coming
on the pod and going full fembot with us.

Speaker 5 (01:24:41):
Thank you, thank you so much for having us. This
was great and I didn't even know that I like,
really needed to get into my feelings about this movie
because on a first viewing I kind of watched it
and then immediately.

Speaker 4 (01:24:55):
Forgot about it.

Speaker 5 (01:24:55):
And this was really great really digging into it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
Yeah, thanks for doing it with us.

Speaker 6 (01:24:59):
I was very happy to have an excuse to watch it.
I probably wouldn't have watched it otherwise, and it was
I was really enjoyable and it made me. It made
me think about some things, just a few things, just
a couple of thoughts, not too many.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
Don't take it too seriously. But it was fun. And yeah, I.

Speaker 6 (01:25:16):
Love Sophie Thatcher and Josh Quaid. Yeah, this is it's
really it's really fun to get to.

Speaker 4 (01:25:24):
Talk to you about with both of you, so, oh
my gosh. Likewise, thank you for having us on. Where
can people follow you?

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
Check out your podcast, et cetera.

Speaker 6 (01:25:35):
We are too scared and watch and we are on
Instagram at t SDW podcast and.

Speaker 5 (01:25:41):
We're kind of on TikTok. Now we have a social
media manager.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Excuse me.

Speaker 5 (01:25:47):
I don't personally go on there, but.

Speaker 6 (01:25:53):
I know I don't even know what she's she's pulling
some clips and hopefully we're now embarrassing ourselves too much online.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
Yeah, although that's probably unavoidable.

Speaker 5 (01:26:02):
And I'll just plug, I mean, because why not. We've
Jackuade has been on an episode of ours. He recapt
on the Dead with us. If you're a jackquad fan,
check that one out. He was a delight. He was
very kind in person, not like the second half of
this movie. Can you imagine if.

Speaker 4 (01:26:20):
He came on our podcast and treated us like that?
Not at all?

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
He gasled us he tried to kill us. Well, we're
big fans of the show. Thank you so much for
coming on.

Speaker 5 (01:26:32):
Thank you guys for having us, of course, and you
can follow us on Instagram and.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
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Speaker 7 (01:26:57):
Slash Bechtel Cast with that Let's go to sleep, Go
to sleep, Jamie go to sleep, Sammy go to sleep,
Henley and go to sleep, Caitlyn go to sleep.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Listener, Bye bye. The Bechdel Cast is a production of iHeartMedia,
hosted and produced by Me Jamie Loftus.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
And me Kitlyn Dorante. The podcast is also produced by
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Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
Edited by Caitlyn Durrante. Ever Heard of Them? That's me
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Oh My God? And our theme song, by the way,
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