Single White Female with Ben Rodgers

Jamie Loftus and her new roommate Caitlin Durante invite a guest, Ben Rodgers, over to chat about Single White Female. It was fun at first, but Jamie's hamster is missing and Caitlin has been acting kind of weird...

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
On thee cast, the questions asked if movies have women
in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
or do they have individualism the patriarchy and best start
changing it with the Betel Cast. Hi, welcome to the
Bechtel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus. My name is
Caitlin Darante, and this is the Bechtel Cast which you're

(00:21):
listening to. My name is Jamie Loftus. Oh god, we've
already ruined it. No this is that? Was that? No?
That was? Oh god, damn it. Sorry, Well we're back.
Caitlin just read her first Alison Bechdel books. Oh I didn't.
I'm sorry. I didn't finish it. I started it. Okay,
well just right at the top. We're not qualified to

(00:43):
be doing this. No. Oh, but you know what we
haven't mentioned in a couple of weeks, as our colleges are. Yeah,
I have one college degree. I have to college degree. Okay,
good now that everyone else. Both of them are in film,
so that's why I we're qualifying. I'm not going to
say mine is in Okay, mine could be in anything.
We don't know. I'm a woman in stem j K.

(01:07):
That's becoming a recurring that's a motif of ours. Now
to women in Stem. Yeah, well, because any movie would
become more welcoming to women if there were a character
that was a woman in Stem. That's a full proof
movie theory to get get a five nipples from us,
while women in Stem, where they're steampunk culture was not.

(01:27):
And that's really all it things to get me on board.
So we're we're a podcast we talk about the roles
of women in movies. Yeah, usually they're not portrayed very well,
and we're here to call it out. It's funny that
what he used to take us so long to say
the premise, but now it's just like our podcast is
still in its infancy. You know, we're still learning, we're
getting better. Anyway, should we introduce our guests? Yeah, okay.

(01:51):
He has a show that he does it UCB called
Shitty Jumps, and he was a writer for the show
Workaholics on Comedy Central. Ben Rogers. Hi, Then, now, because
you are a straight white man, you are bound. We
have strapped you to the chair and you're only allowed
to speak when spoken to. That's just one of the
rules of our podcast. Yeah, I can't believe I signed

(02:14):
up for it. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean we did
send you the long, the long list of rules. I'll
admit I just skimmed it over and now, well we
pepper spray you if you interject, and that's my only rule.
I just want pepper spray someone that's on my bucket list, really,
along with pepper spray that you carry around. No, I mean,

(02:36):
I'm really biting my tongue because you guys could have
done a much better job taping me to this chair. Okay,
stopped squirming so much. Just going to the audio is
going to pick up, and Aristotle is going to have
a hell of a time because he's tied to his
chair as well. That's right. Sorrd is hard not have

(02:57):
men a part of this anymore. We're just making more
more works for ourselves. But it's like cardioph Yeah, I mean,
it's like because you put up quiet struggle and we
were able to you know, flux our various What are
you name an arm muscle delt? Nope, biceps by sepsps

(03:18):
you that's your delts. I don't know what's there. I
think here's something that I don't know what the name
you got your tries by tries by shoulders. There's three
parts of the shoulder. I'm having a panic attack. What
are the what's the names for real? What's the name

(03:41):
of the muscle? The little it's underneath your knee and
it's a little it's maybe I want to say it's
a ligament. Maybe. Anyway, mine hurt your American civil liberty? Okay, yes, yeah,
mine hurt. Sorry. I was just making a statement, yeah,
a political statement. Okay, So we're talking about well, wait,

(04:01):
can I say that we were talking about We should
let Ben say it. It's but I just want to
say it. It's a dog's purpose. It's there, it is. Okay.
Have I not suggested a dog's purpose? What that we like?
Watch it? Yes? I don't know. I don't remember. Okay,
it would be fond to break down the roles of
the female dogs in the movie. Yeah, where do bitches
stand in the movie? Well, it's crazy because we're gonna

(04:24):
let Ben say it, but it's actually going to describe
both of us. Yeah, wild, take it away, do it?
So my pick was single white female. For some reason,
I was thinking about how I'll never fulfill a childhood
fantasy of living in a building with an old fashioned elevator.
Just it's just not going to happen. I want to

(04:45):
live in either like a cool air stream on the
ocean or a building with an old fashioned elevator, and
I'm I'm starting to come to terms that both those
things aren't going to happen. And I remembered that I
was trying to think of some good old fashioned elevator movies,
which what was your criteria for this? It was big
in the in the nineties, and then you you happen

(05:07):
to email me and I was like, oh, this would
be good for this. Excuse yeah, good for this. This
movie came out the same week I was born. Wild
I know. I wish that my mom was a screaming
of it when I was born, but she would have
named you Hetty. She would have named me Hetty. But
I was I was a c section. They I was

(05:27):
born twice. What that's you're born twice? So like they
c section and then put you back in vaginal No,
this is true, Okay, So it was my mom had
to have this experimental womb steroid put in her to
have me, and so she had to fly down to
North Carolina from Boston like two months before I was

(05:48):
actually born, and they took me out and checked and
they're like the experiments working, and they put me back in.
And that's why you have these huge biceps. That's why
I'm very strong, you hug. I'm spiritually strong, but I'm
also extreme me buff. That is insane. I've never heard
anything like that. And then, oh, here's the best part.
Um The doctor who invented those wombs steroids later gave

(06:09):
the first successful penis transplant. I would like to credit
myself of the inspiration you were part of that. You
saw this fat little baby. He's like, you know what
I should do next? Onto the next conquest? To save
this baby. Now I'm going to save a penish. Now
I'm going to save this guy this Under what circumstances
would you need a penis transplant? Like if yours got

(06:30):
chopped off? I kind of remember that story. It was
like his I think it's dick burned off. Oh my god.
It was like some tragic accident. Hey, I'll look at them.
But my dad texted me to my dad, just some
weird story I made up. He's actually a cancer survivisor
his penis wasn't burned. Yeah. I created a horror story

(06:56):
of like a guy all fucking burned up. Here's a
great please say first American I have penis transplant, says
it's starting to take shape. I love it. My dad
texted me that article when that happened early last year,
and he was like, did you know this was the guy?
This guy's the reason you're alive. I was like, whoa
was he like an O, B G U I N

(07:17):
And then he was like, I'm going to switch to
other genitals. I don't know. I mean he was a
surgeon of some scene. I hope that's the case, because
that's really yeah. What if I was too fat at Baker? See?
I saw it as like, you know, we're all the
same that the past, right, See, that's nice. I was
gonna say, baby, I was just a big The womb

(07:39):
stair has worked a little too well. One might argue
that was an eleven pound baby. I know that that's
too big? Is because you were so you're tall? Is
it because you were like a long just a long baby? Well?
Are you talked as in the steroids? Excellent question? I
don't know. As you're intimidating, you're here, you're pounding Mike's
harder lemonade. That's true, and I do that almost every week. Yeah,

(08:02):
except the time we both well, no, you last week
I drank some hennessy. Yeah, you had me beat real good.
Lest you were not chugging, but like swigging. Yeah, I
didn't realize I was walking into essentially a drinking context.
This is a speak easy essentially to speak easy above
a comic bookshop to wasted soft spoken ladies. Single white

(08:25):
female female poisoning themselves. That was a good transition. That
was a good and that was great. Thank you, so,
single white female. What did you guys think? Well, first
we talked about Caitlin summarizes the down Ben. I'm cure
because because I was watching the whole time I was watching,
I was like, they're gonna hate this. No, I went
into it thinking I probably would, but I actually I

(08:48):
would go so far as to say I liked it.
I went into this movie with no context at all
and never heard of it, and then so I just
turned it on without reading anything in advance, and I
liked it. Yeah, it was experience. You can tell. You
can tell like you can. We were saying before you
got here that it's hard to tell what genre the

(09:09):
movie is at first and that was fun. Yeah, I know,
I enjoyed it. This is the first time in Bectel
cast history where neither of us had seen the movie
prior to the episode. Usually Jamie hasn't seen the movie,
and one time I didn't even watch the movie. Sorry
the Matrix. Listen at the Matrix episode if you want
to hear me, did you admit not until for very month?

(09:32):
I did? Okay, job, Yeah, I would have never known. Luckily,
our guest was very talkative, and then he and I
were just talking about and then it was mostly you guys. Yeah,
I was just here sweating more than usual. Well, anyway,
a single white female just watched it a couple of
days ago. I I don't think i'd even heard of
it either. I think the emailed us that was the

(09:54):
first time I've ever heard of it, and I was like, oh,
this sounds like a familiar I weirdly referenced it a lot.
Really did he will know what? Now I'm realizing probably not.
They're probably just like, why does this guy keep saying
single white female? I often describe people's friendship as single
white female. That see. I feel like people could think
you were saying a number of things are saying. Yeah,

(10:15):
just like announcing what you're looking for any single white
females are in. Yeah, I'm sure you could just sound
like a perverse one of the many things I do
to sound like a perverse. Oh that's nice. It's based
on a book called s WF Seeks the Same, which
I'm glad the movie had the sense to take that
part out of it, because basic it would be pretty

(10:35):
racist otherwise a single white female to also seek another
single white It's it's such a terrible title for even
whoever wrote, Like the guy wrote the book, somebody should
have told him single white female is a far superior title. Yeah, yeah,
I don't even know if single white female is a
good title either better than better than as s WF.

(11:00):
Yeah true. So wait, wait, do the the you haven't
done summary in a while? Oh yeah, Single White Female
is about young woman who is living in New York City.
And I didn't write one down for this one, so
I'm just this is all memory. Okay. So she's living
in New York. She has a boyfriend. She finds out
that he has cheated on her. Get out of here, man,

(11:24):
So she puts out an ad for a roommate. A
few people come by, not all of them are great.
One of them seems okay, one of them seems like
she's going to pick her before the actually shows up.
That was weird. The main character, Alie, ends up picking
this woman named Hetty to be her roommate. And then
Hetty shows some problem areas she's does. She does like

(11:49):
weird things start to happen. She starts dressing like her.
She kind of like gets a dog without letting anyone know.
She presumably throws the dog off a balcony. Presumably. We
don't know. We don't see it, we didn't see it,
but she probably definitely did that. She did she you

(12:10):
don't know. I'm kidding. I'm not gonna I'm not going
to die on this hill. And then meanwhile she gets
back with her Ali gets back with her boyfriend and
then they get engaged. That makes Heady even more crazy.
And then there's some violence and there's some This is
not a good recap. I should have prepped it. She's

(12:31):
just trying to have it all, just trying to out
of it all, but you can't. And we learned this again,
and uh, you know, we we learned that. And I
thought this when I was watching it today, and I
was like, say that later, Jamie, you save that for
the cast. I thought to myself, the only thing that

(12:51):
single white females have to fear is single white females themselves. Wow,
I know, profound. That's not adapted from anything. It's just
something I thought. All Right, I'm gonna I'm gonna fact
check that later. I feel like, maybe you stole it,
but I didn't. I would never steal that's the thing. Anyway.
So the movie, that's the story. Basically, this roommate who

(13:15):
moves in with Ali is a crazy person. Although let's
not necessarily use that as a label. But yeah, it's
a little insensitive. I didn't expect that kind of tone
on this podcast, especially where the story goes. I mean,
it really makes you feel for she's got borderline personality
and his story. She is dealing with a childhood trauma

(13:38):
where she maybe also drowned her sister. Maybe it was
an accident, who knows. This is like how we met
when I when you started to try to turn my
clothes and you threw my hamster off a balcony, but
we ended up being great friends. It ended and you
killed the other baby in that womb during the second
birth ate the baby. Yeah, I thought I assumed that

(14:01):
that was how I was so ready for her to say, like,
but I absorbed at the twin. But you know, they
opened on like a weird shot of the two girls,
which was pretty cool on Yeah, So wait, when did
you see this movie for the first time? Then in
the mid nineties at some point it was a frequent

(14:22):
cable movie. I feel like, um, this is the era
of the erotic thriller, So this is like it came
out the same year's Basic Instinct and it was And
there's a lot of nudity in the movie. Yes, surprisingly
uh that which I didn't remember, which definitely would factor
into like me as a kid wanting to watch this

(14:43):
and like all the like softcore movies of the era,
which this is a great nineties time piece, Like there's
a lot of really funny moments, but it definitely is
the kind of movie that I think this is the
erotic thriller at its peak, before there was internet porn
and before everybody could see like hardcore pornography everywhere, people

(15:04):
would go to the movies basically hbo ate it up.
I feel like what you would see now in Game
of Thrones people would go to see like sliver or
single white female. This is like one that I feel
like doesn't get talked about as much, but as part
of that era, right. Lots of sex and silhouette, Yeah,
a lot lots of like where you can just make

(15:25):
out like sweaty backs, right, and you're just like, oh,
in a trope that you often point out, Jamie is
in specifically like horror thriller movies, girls and tank tops
where you can see their hard Oh my god, much
of that and the heavy girls and tank tops that
are scared happened so much. Basically every scene in this movie.

(15:45):
Oh I noticed this movie is made to tittle it. Yeah,
lots of hard knips. A lot of hard nips you
do get to see, and everybody looks at each other
like they want to fuck throughout the movie. All characters,
even some of the like do you guys notice in
that mean where Hetty goes to cash her check I
think and the girls kind of flirting with cash. There's

(16:07):
like weird sexual tension between them, and I'm like, everyone
wants to funck in this movie. Yeah, very horny. I
get it. I listen. I was born, right, I'm kidding.
I think I'm pretty sure it was like a test tube.
But anyways, I was talking to my mom about this
movie on the phone last night because I was telling
her I had to watch it, and she was like, oh,

(16:28):
who's in that movie? And I was like, Oh, it's
a Bridget Fonda and Jennifer Jason Lee. And my mom
said what she always says about women that she does
not think are very attractive, and she said, oh, yeah,
like Jennifer Jason Lee has like a very earthy beauty.
This is what my mom says when like a woman
is like, yeah, when a woman is like bathed and

(16:52):
like relatively symmetrical, but my mom still finds her unfuckable
earthy beauty. Yeah, that's a good way to put it
without like hurting someone's feelings too bad. I think she's
great in the movie. I think both actresses are really
good and um and it's good casting. I think she
does pull off. I mean it's also because I'm sure
if she walked into this room right now, we would

(17:15):
all be like, oh wow, and she's what twenty years older.
We would all be like, she's so beautiful. But they
do a really good job of I guess this like
wardrobe and like the makeup department of making her look
like more frumpy and like awkward, and they look exactly alike.
And then they they were able to flip that towards

(17:38):
the end where it's like, oh wow, she looks great. Yeah,
although who like it was a very fun nineties trope
that it's like, oh yeah, this is the haircut you
want to replicate, like terrible haircut, like I wanna look
like I'm wearing a bicycle helmet all time. Bridge Fonda
so is beautiful and it's like you'd never know just

(17:58):
got this weird, like clown haircut. One of my notes
was that for a movie where the characters are like
working a like fashion adjacent, there are an awful lot
of bowl cuts. Can we talk about her job on earrings,
her career of like it's fashion stuff fashion fashion e

(18:20):
computer thing. The computer aspect of the movie is great,
like because she puts her like I guess it's a
want ad in the newspaper, but she does it through email,
which is like to show us that she's a tech
savvy person. And this is like one email like no
one knew what the funk it was and like, so

(18:41):
she has this computer business that has something to do
with fashion that they they're very loosey goosey about it.
I think you can like design fashion on the compute. Yeah,
I don't know. There's so many questions I had about
her job that eventually, like, I mean, I guess the
movie did what it was supposed to. Eventually, I just
go of those questions. I was like, you know what,

(19:02):
she owns her own business. I didn't like that, You're right.
I was like, at first, you're like, what the funk
is this? And you're you're kind of distracted at the
way like technology is advanced, and like oh yeah, but
after you know, in the third act you don't care.
I would love to ask someone in does this make
sense to you as something you would find potentially useful?

(19:24):
I mean the software text shows dated that like who
knows what knows? I mean, we still do it in movies,
and it's it's right, It's like computers do whatever you
need the story to do, and there's magic this person
has a super supercomputer. Yeah. I love it when there's
like a photo that's not high resolution, but and then

(19:47):
like it's still still like crystal clear and they're like, Oh,
it's it's that person mystery salt, But um, I do
like that her job, she has her own business and
she is I guess a soft ware developer, question mark.
We hard to say she has an email account that
we know she used to have a partner and they

(20:08):
had a rough split. There's a couple of small things
that they have to put in there that I feel
like we're going overboard to protect, Like why she's so
stuck with this new roommate. Uh. The first scene where
she's with her boyfriend, Um, I can't remember his name?
Sam Sam? Yeah, who's Stephen Webber plays him from Wings

(20:30):
Let Off the Hook repeatedly for like the movie lets
him off the hook again and again. But anyways, he um,
he's She says that she doesn't have any friends except
him and that's the only friend that she needs because
and then even like when she's at this job interview,
she's talking about how she and her partner have like

(20:52):
a bad split up and so she needs all these
new clients and she has a bad reputation, I guess,
but I feel like they went out of their way
to like she could also have friends and still have
a fucking crazy room it right, Yeah, I assumed at first,
and I don't know if this is what we were
supposed to do or like where my mind just went
immediately that her, like the friend breakup that she had

(21:15):
would be relevant at some point, Like I assumed the
two little girls at the beginning of the movie, I'm like, oh,
maybe that's Bridget Fonda and her her twin friend who
looks exactly like I don't know. I was, well because
you find out that the twin was actually a live
past birth so late in the movie, but it's like
contextualizing that scene takes a long time. I just thought

(21:36):
of another weird like I guess a homoerotic scene where
or like just sexual tension between two women is when
that they do a montage of different girls coming to
potential roommates and one is like hilariously butch, like lesbian
that's like talking about fixing stuff up, and she's like no, no, no, yeah,

(22:00):
she's wearing like a biker jacket and has a bandana on.
And then the next person so they they like kind
of I felt like overcompensated with like, hey, this is
a lesbian and then the next person like looks her
up and down and it's like a very hot, horny
like it was like back to back, Like that's so weird.

(22:20):
And then like a feminist caricature comes and I'm an
incest survivor. I don't remember it, but I'm pretty sure
I was my therapist as I'm a survivor of something.
And then she's like, I don't cook. Cooking is oppressive.
Montage was great, and they're all like they give this hot,

(22:42):
super hot girl no lot. She just looks her up
and down like you want to funk right now. It's
so weird. It is really like in what world, I
don't know, it was christ And so all that leads
to the girl from Heathers, who's like the one normal girl,
and then she's like about to call and then I
think Sam calls her. She sees a photo of amount

(23:02):
of right, yes, that's what, and then and then Hetty
walks in and she's crying, and then they like fix
the sink together and get all wet and like show
their nipples off. They get all wet, They get all wet,
and then they're giggling, and then there's a little hug
roommates with someone. I get it, you guys, wanna, you know,
tweak each other. I was honestly surprised that they did

(23:25):
not make out in this movie. I was, fully do
they kiss? Towards the end, when she's tied to the
chair as you are right now, I'm thinking of it,
she distracts her by kissing her for a second, right,
But it's not It's not like a makeout I was expecting,
like the full black swan. Oh yeah, not quite that intense.
But yeah, she kisses her. It's actually a very clever,

(23:48):
it's diversion. Can we talk about Sam for a second,
because you know, he cheats on her with his ex wife.
But from from there on out is made out to
be a pretty sympathy character, where you know, at first
Ali is like, no, I don't want to talk to you,
I don't want to take you back. I have a
roommate now, blah blah blah, And then like it turns

(24:10):
out like, oh, he wrote you a letter to apologize.
So yeah, her getting back with him a very abrupt
which I think it's more problem than just like kind
of sloppy storytelling than anything. But it happens very abruptly.
What I do like about that, though, is that you
see that she's engaged because you see her diamond ring,
but you do not see that scene playoff on screen. Well,

(24:32):
I think they were engaged at the start of the
movie because that's part of the reason why he was
talking to was so Sam cheated on his with his
ex wife and they were I think like he was
telling her that she's going to get engaged, and then
they slept together, and so that threw Ali off. So
it's like, yeah, but like, don't get that together with

(24:54):
that guy, Ali, Come on, So they were already engaged. Okay,
they we're already engaged. Classic story. Somebody cheats, she takes
him back. I mean, hey, some people do that. Hey
he gets his he gets stabbed in the it's would
that have killed him with that penetrated his brain? But

(25:19):
you have to really I was really sutilized that take
him with it. I feel like it takes a little
more forced I was surprised that he died immediately. But
then somehow the gay best friend didn't die. That was like,
I mean the injuries, who knows, because I thought, for
sure the gay best friend is dead, maybe the maybe
the fiance, I'll come back to life. But it was

(25:40):
the opposite. You know who survives is the cat. The
cat keeps Graham company in that bath. Was very honorable
of that cat. That's like, you know it didn't start
eating cat because I think that the cat waits a
couple of days. Isn't that the rule? It's like something
like four days a cat and like six days for dogs.

(26:01):
It's like when you're go on a date with someone,
you have to wait three days to text them back.
It's the same with cat. You gotta wait wait three
days to text them back. That's the rule. Now, I
don't know that's so. I would be like I thought,
were I thought you were blowing me off, you're ghosting me.
If someone, yeah, someone took three days, I would fully assume.

(26:22):
I'm like, well this didn't go as well as I
thought it did. Uh yeah, it's an old rule. Um,
I never subscribed to it at all. So I thought
it was like two days to call somebody or like
text them, Um, after you first get there, like info
maybe like the initial like give me your number, you
like wait a day. That makes sense, that one I

(26:45):
make that makes it. But like once you hang out
with someone, if you have fun with them, why wait?
I mean that's the advantage of we're in the brink
of nuclear war. Let's feed things up. No time to wait.
See this, Okay, we're taking a serious e tour, but
I want to get your opinion since we're on the subject.
I feel like I usually if I'm asking somebody for

(27:08):
their numbers something, I will text them. I'm not going
to call him. Now. If you're going to break up
with that person and you've never talked on the phone,
do you then call on the phone or do you
tell you meet them face to face? Noo? Okay, yeah
if it if the relationship never okay, if the relationship

(27:30):
never went past texting, don't suddenly call because then you
know something's wrong. You're like, wait, we don't. Shouldn't you
know something that is wrong? No, just they'll know when
they read the text. I'd say this because I very
recently did it. I was like, well, we only text
each other, so I'm just gonna text him and then
he'll know. And I'm saying like, you're at the stage

(27:53):
of like still kind of feeling each other out of
like and the person's like, hey, you want to do something,
and then you have to be like no. So if
you're still in the stage. Yeah, I definitely heard some
people have blowback to that. If like you're doing this
over text, oh see, I would let's just do it.
I don't, Yeah, I would rather someone like if it's
a real, like an actual relationship, that's different, and you know,

(28:16):
break up with me to my face so you can
watch me cry. That's what I was talking because that's
why what I need you to see. But if it's
just like a flirtation, it's like, if you don't want
to hang out again, don't tell me your voice it's horrible. Yeah,
or Recovering from breakups is hard, and it's a big
part of single wife female. It's true. She's devastated. She

(28:38):
cries in like three different scenes. She cries a lot.
She reads a sheet off her bed, like, no, this
is how I have to cope with this bed can't
have sheets. I like that, just like I don't want
my bed smelling like this person that cheated on Mealy,
they just fucked on it. And now she's finding out
like he sucks some other woman. I do love that.

(28:59):
There isn't she finds out is because of an answering
machine mishap. There's a lot of good answering machine stuff. Yeah,
because when like Jennifer Jason miss answering machines what I did, Like,
I think it's one of the very first scenes is
his ex wife calls Ali answers and we're used to
sing in movies if there's an ex girlfriend or an

(29:20):
ex wife or something a very like bitter petty relationship
between the two, like oh, the ex and the new
girlfriends and they hate each other and they're jealous of
each other and too. I like the alley is just like, oh,
what's your ex wife? Whoctor? I think this movie takes
a pretty sympathetic view of almost every character, even the
fucking Slee's bag like has a heroic moment you mean

(29:44):
ned Yer crazy? Yeah, and his name in this movie
is Myerson Meyerson. So Stephen Tablowski of the popular podcasts
The Tablowski Files, Right, he does that. St Oh, I
didn't know that a wild moment where it's like, is

(30:05):
the rape guy gonna end up the movie? Like they
can't do that. They can't make this guy save the day, right,
which they don't know was that's insane that they're like,
you know how we're going to get someone to let's
talk him and she was kidnapped. Let's give him a
redeeming moment. He's fucking piste off that she's like trying

(30:29):
to get paid for her work. Twenty minutes in like
a twenty minute segment, not full segment, but both he
and Sam shout you fucking batch when someone uh does
when someone wrongs them in a sexual manner, in this
actual amner. I mean, granted, what Jennifer decently did was

(30:50):
I want to talk about that that I think you
qualifies getting called to phone that was more justified. But
I'm still just like, he shouldn't be back with Bridget
Fonda anyway. She shouldn't have taken him back. But I
guess that's her. I mean, that's a that's a larger
conversation of whether you should take a cheater back. Um,
I don't know. I mean some people do. We don't know,

(31:11):
we don't know, we're not here, But that's not what
this podcast. That's a hard note. It would be like,
I don't know. I'm just like sexuality is fluid. Whatever
else grow at anyway, Um, what were we talking about?
I'm really we're talking about what we were talking about,

(31:31):
Jennifer Jason Lee's insidious blow. You were talking about how
um Sam's ex wife is portrayed sympathetically but also hetty.
At the end of the movie is portraits. She fucking
kills all these people and they still kind of give
her a like she's just crazy, please forget we could
all go crazy, right, So it's not so much that

(31:51):
I was saying that his ex wife was portrayed sympathetically.
It was more than Ali, we don't see her being
like this jealous, she's hetty woman. I was like, that's
nice to see on screen. We're not used to seeing that. Um, yeah,
she's comfortable with the fact that that he has an
X and that went as far as the story goes.
It makes it that much more devastating that, like she

(32:12):
should have been sucking. That's why being chill is not helpful.
If your chill, someone's sucking someone else, just don't disagree.
You know. I'll never knock be in chill. That's why
I'm always on high alert. I'm always like, I don't
want to put that out. I'm not putting that out
in the universe. Did you betray me? We we likely? Yes,

(32:37):
you know what? Probably? Yeah, I'm not saying that someone like,
people are always betraying you know. It's okay, I'm very
everyone somehow give each other life notes and somehow don't
have what it takes. Do not be betrayed. That's not
what I'm saying. I'm saying that everybody's a piece of shit,

(32:59):
every one except for me, right except for you? Okay,
thank you? Please tell me I'm perfect. You people are
perfect and I don't even have to so much. I
think you're perfect too, Jamie, all right, you're perfect too.
Then we don't know each other. We don't know. I mean, yeah,

(33:22):
I'm not. I'll let you guys in on my secret. Well,
that's why you're bound abound waiting for everybody's nipples to
get hard. So, okay, I want to talk about the
scene where Hetty forcibly gives Sam a blowdram classic scene
that I would say, this is kind of what that

(33:44):
this movie is known for. Okay, So that's like the
famous that's like the famous scene. Gotcha did I miss?
How did she get into She looks so much like Ali?
So she gets obsessed with Ali so much and like
her dead win that she like starts dressing like her.
There's a great scene where she realized where Ali realizes

(34:05):
that she and Hetty both have the same clothes. Now,
Ali basically bought all her same outfits. Then she went
to a hair salon and got an identical short haircut
and dyed her hair like orange. Right, Yeah, she got
the same terrible haircut. So so then she just swoops
into Sam's building and the security guard is like lets

(34:27):
her in because like his apartment. Yeah, that's his apartment
because it is called Hotel Atherton, So I get it.
Is it a hotel? Well, he's probably just long term
staying there because she gave him the boot. They kind
of have like that. Hetty just steals a lot of keys,
like that's just part of her. She's got the fucking everywhere.

(34:50):
She stold a letter that Sam said Ali with keys
in it. So I think that's how she had access
to his That was Ali's place, like because he moved out.
So what I was assuming is like, in my head
I justified it by she just like went to the
doorman and was looking like yeah because he called her like,
you know, Mrs Jones or whatever. What confused me about

(35:13):
that scene is that, Okay, by the time Sam figures
out it's not his fiance He's about to nut. I
get that. He nuts, He's almost there. I get it. Afterwards,
he simply rolls over. Why the aftermath of that is
really weird. She gave such an incredible blow job. He's

(35:37):
all out of sword a moment. Well, and it's also
jet lagged. He was just on a trip. I think
you're kind of a lot of slack there. He rolls
over when I think you're cutting him slack by he
knew that it wasn't Ali. Well, I just think it's
a cool choice for him too. I still think he's
with cheat on her. I do think that's true. I

(35:59):
give the movie credit that, um they didn't have Like
it would have been lame if he came and then
she popped her head up and it was not his fiancee.
Like I thought it was cool that, Like he caes
her and it's like oh no, and then he's like,
oh I can't stop. Anyways, that made it so much

(36:21):
tension and like and so much more conflict there of like, Okay,
she kind of proves his point, like in her crazy mentality,
she's trying to come guys, it's all good. What I
wasn't I wasn't upset that he came. I was upset
they rolled over. I was like, you should kick her out,

(36:41):
Like why are you so feeling his chest? As yeah,
and he's not pushing her. I felt the choice like
from either like the script or the actor was just
like to be he's so in shock of like, oh no,
I just fu fucked up so bad that he doesn't
know what it did, right, Like I almost interpreted it

(37:03):
interpreted as it was like sort of sexual assault and
that like I kind of resisted, but like also kind
of didn't, and then like I could argue that it
was like I think that he was ripped. He was
ripped by her, like I kind of just fooled into
a blow job under which lasted second. He was like,

(37:24):
I know this helmet haircut. She's great. She goes to
that S and M club and just sucking sucks dick
the whole time club. Oh yeah, that was great. I
was like, oh yeah, of course she goes to this
Like it didn't it too wild? What a fun movie.
It's just I miss I missed this era of movies,

(37:48):
Like they just don't make weird movies like this, And
this was a mainstream columb yeah, like it's so surprised
it's not more famous. I get like, I want to
make other people watch this movie, and I like, really
I just miss like I do like when there was
some element of weird sexual tension and just like movies

(38:10):
being a little bit more risque um which they are
now they're all pretty watered down. I mean, there's more
risk a stuff on cable, but it's just well, something
interesting pretty came when you go to the movies. Something
interesting about this movie. To me, it was like that.
I mean, I feel like if this movie was made now,
because a very very similar version of this movie that

(38:31):
I did see that was very bad, called The Roommate
came out when I was in college, and it was
about a college roommate. Right, so I read that this
that that movie was criticized for copying this movie exactly. Yeah,
it's like basically the same movie but way worse, and
but it's weird. I feel like if people made this
movie right now, it would be like stigmatized for like well,

(38:54):
mental health and Nona, And first of all, I love
mental health. I realized that I had a bipolar pill
lodged in my laptop when I took it out. However,
I like, you know, if if that were the basic,
like Yardstick, then there wouldn't be movies like the one

(39:14):
where Kathy Bates goes nuts or the one where Gloss
goes nuts misery. If it'll attraction. You know what else
I think you like kind of um male version of
this movie is Cable Guy. I've never seen and it's
like unfortunate, but I really do enjoy all of those
movies where someone just fucking goes nuts, and those don't

(39:36):
come out very much anymore. I feel like for that reason,
right right, I don't know problematic opinion, why, Jamie, I
just do I feel like I see, like I said before,
single white female relationships pop up here in the air
of you realize your roommates dressing exactly like you now,

(39:56):
or picking up all these qualities, like you can see
that amongst a bunch of friends where it starts to
get a little stalkery, and I find it fascinating. And
I do feel like this movie kind of hits something
in that zone that is real. Yeah, it's all it's
all exaggerated, but it's so I don't know. I was

(40:16):
put off by way less of it than I expected
to be put off by. But we were talking about
a scene where she goes to she follows Hetty, Ali
follows Heady to an S and M club and she's
very uncomfortable there and I can't if some woman comes
on door and it's like, says something like you want
to play or something like that. I can't remember what
exactly she says. Um. And then she sees Hetty hitting

(40:40):
on a guy that looks just like Sam, and she's like,
you look like my sister's fiance. It's just a really nice,
extra creepy layer that you throw on there. Oh it's
it's and and then like people, doesn't someone presume doesn't
someone call Hetty Alley in that scene? And I may
sing that up um, I think a few people are

(41:02):
like I thought you were, Like, I think Graham the
gay the gay friend upstairs does. I loved Graham at first.
I thought I didn't know at first, when Graham is
overhearing Sam and Ali break up the first time at
the beginning of the movie, I was like, Oh, this
guy is a weird person who lives upstairs. But then

(41:24):
he turned their trick. This amazing guy who in like
the end of the second act is like, by the way,
I hear you fo a lot. The fucking listening through
the vans ends up being an important story point plan.
But it turns out she didn't know, because apparently Graham
either doesn't funk a lot or goes to a second location.
You don't know. Yeah, Graham's class acts. He's a class

(41:46):
I mean, he works real quietly, respect for his neighbor
class of people fuck in silence. Well, he mentions at
the beginning that he doesn't have any he doesn't have
a guy to fuck, so he's like, I'm single. We
want to Graham spin often, I know a single. Somebody
writes some Graham fan fiction or it's Graham and his

(42:08):
cat and he's talking about all the crazy people who
have been in and out of this building. Graham truly
is first an amazing friend. Like he calls his psychologist
friend at like eleven at night and was like, listen,
there's a situation going on with my friend you I'll
put her on And then he I mean, I'm glad
that he wasn't murdered. Yeah, in the end, he survives, right,

(42:33):
does does the And I did see that the writer
of the movie is gay, And I'm curious is like
projecting himself on to Graham a little bit, and that's
why he's like sort of this very noble, heroic figure.
That makes a lot of sense because I was shocked
that the gay character lived until the end, like like
once she entered his apartment. That's why I thought that

(42:53):
the fiancee was going to live and not Graham, because
I feel like, you know, it is the basically definitely
expect Sam to live. I also liked because you guys
were talking about whether Sam would really die if you
got to heal through his his eyeball, but I thought
it was cool, just like I think it's a visually
cool way to kill somebody, just as like a movie

(43:13):
trope those specific shoes. Yes, that's like you say, like
that on your line, but like they show off the
shoes in a really weird way where like the heel
it looks like a knife and it has this medacine
quality about it, and so it kind of pays off
when it goes through his eyeball. There's a bunch of

(43:34):
like plan payoff situations like that in this movie that
I think are done pretty well. And like when you
said that you thought the Graham was going to be
like a creepy person. One of the reasons I like
this movie and think it's pretty good is that it
manipulates expectations a lot, totally make you think one thing
and then something. Yeah. I like movies that that play
into like you've seen a bunch of movies we're gonna

(43:56):
play against that. It was good because it was like
genuine like the earliest indication that because I truly had
no context for this movie, and like the earliest indication
you get is the music, Like even before you know
that Jennifer Jason Lee is crazy, you hear that she's
crazy in the music, and then you see it, but

(44:16):
it's like, I don't know, it unfolds kind of cool
the way she kind of like sneaks up on her
right and she enters the apartment, like doesn't knock on
the door, just like comes in. Ali's crying on the floor.
She gets like super close to her before she's like, hey,
I'm here. That was sort of like the first indicator
that there was something off about her. But it takes

(44:37):
a while after that before you see anymore like alarming behavior,
Like you almost get why Ali was befriending her because
she's vulnerable, she needs a friend. Ali gets busted going
through her ship. Ali's that that was great. That's a
great She's going through her ship and like putting on

(45:00):
her clip I think I love this movie. I have
such a funny choice, like, yeah, Hetty's got clip on
arians that she's going to give you as a present.
It did. She was so touched. She's like, really, do
you want to give me your clip on? You're right,
Like it pays off a lot of stuff well that
it sets up earlier, which actually made me sad for

(45:22):
the current state of a lot of movies where I
feel like things are just so much lazier now than
they used to be. Like them when they insert that
shot of her throwing away the receipt from the pet
store when she bought the dog, just to have the
lie of her being like I found the dogs. They
were giving it away just such a small thing for

(45:46):
like just another Like she's already clearly crazy and like
they did a great job of showing us that, but
they literally show you the receipts. Yeah, they're like, she's
really checking off every box of like back when I
don't know that it probably didn't focus groups for this
and be like where didould get the dog from? Like

(46:06):
when they cared, I did feel like they really give
a funk about this b movie. Yeah, it's a fucking
thriller that like knows what it is, but like they
really care about it. Oh, we haven't talked about the
the weird bald guy rapes scene yet, Like we talked
about when it comes back as the hero almost hero

(46:28):
of the entire movie. But the scene where like you
know that he's you know from moment one because he
basically humiliates Pritchett Fonda at the beginning, which like you
could argue as a business power move, but he's like
it was humiliated. He would have never talked that way
if that if she was a man, you would have
that conversation would have gone entirely differently, right and then,

(46:51):
but he interpreted humiliating in her as like I probably
made her pretty horny then by really just crashing or
even that has a good sort of high load of it.
Of they set you up. You don't like him, but
she does such a great job that change like this
is great, Like you're really good, and so she lets

(47:13):
him in a little bit. He takes advantage of that
and then it is a creep But then that information
from when she was like, here's my mind and my
other numbers so we can talk about it later of
my neighbor's my neighbor's that's being important. Huh. It is
crazy because you know, you could very easily assume that

(47:33):
once he's an asshole to her at the beginning, and
then the you know, the second time you encounter him,
he's like, Wow, you did a great job. That could
very easily be like and that's it for that character.
That was his purpose. But then when he comes back
and that I wanted to just zoom in on his
face for that entire Weird Lecturers scene where he is
like so, you know, like just a very creepy massage,

(47:56):
and Bridge of Fonda does a great job of seeming
very set that it's happening, and you know she's gonna
like beat him up. You know, it's like he's not
you know. I like how she gives this volleyball like
classes are yeah, just sorry, And that helped that really
illustrated because the listeners we needed that. I nearly knocked

(48:21):
the mic over to demonstrate the move. But yeah, he
immediately goes into he rubs her down for a second
and it is immediately expecting a blowjob and it's just
sucking whipping his I want to use that line now,
can I at least turn around? I'm very romantic when

(48:41):
he started it? And I also want to use that
volleyball move at something, just smash a guy in the
ball the power like that. Yeah, and he goes, but
then he saves the day later he's like, you know what,
I'm actually a pretty good pretty good I tried to
write you. Because then he comes to leave, he's like
kind of rape and some like he's doing doing the

(49:03):
same fucking backrupt moved later and he's like his older secretary,
which was another great Cassie choice. And that's even fun
where because she's like, he's like, shut off all the
computers right now, and she just leans back because she
wants it because she fucking hates him too. Yeah, Oh
my god, that guy's story is crazy because then Jennifer

(49:23):
Jasonly calls him and is, you know, like his wife
and pretends to be a She's like, you know, like
you're going to be in big trouble if you ever
say anything, and but then just insane to me. I
wonder if that happens in the book insane to me
that he comes that he's like half redeemed when he's like,

(49:45):
this guy is bad, just kidding, he's fine just getting
his a rapist, but he might also save the day.
But also he's dead now. I really like how there
it's all real world struggles to me and all ship
that I feel like everybody can empathize with. Where it's
like she's got a fucking amazing apartment that's cheap, and
they want to hold on to it at all costs,

(50:07):
and it's a huge source. There's a huge source of
agony for her. She doesn't want to kick her out
because but she has to because it's a great place.
And then she's got her own business and she's got
all this work stress, and then it's like job stress,
relationship stress, housing stress. It's like the ship everybody deals
with it feel like, and that's what this movie is about.

(50:30):
She just happened to get a crazy roommate. It's the
other The scene. The last time I'll mention the Raby
guy unless we unless we have more reason to is Mitch.
I'm gonna keep calling him Mitch Meyerson. Um. But the
scene after that happens. I thought it was very like,

(50:52):
I don't know, like it was very well written to me,
Like right before um Hetty calls his wife and you're like, oh, yeah,
she's crazy. But that scene where Ali is saying like, oh,
it's actually my fault and like, now this is gonna
sabotage my career because I you know, rightfully volleyball this
guy in the nuts for being a rapist. But she's like,

(51:13):
you know, and this is somehow going to ruin my business.
And that felt like I was like, whoa, that's a
very real moment in the movie because I'm like, that's like,
that's not an atypical reaction to being you know, like assaulted,
and it's and it's also probably not an atypical reaction
to what actually would have happened. And so that was

(51:34):
weird and that that was sort of a moment where
I was like, if I was Ali, I would be
pro heady at that moment when you know, when she
was saying like, what you're not gonna do something about this,
it's clearly not your fault, and it's like okay, Hetty,
I'm with you, and then she does something crazy and
then kills like definitely was like the irredeemable thing that

(51:54):
she does. So she doesn't kill the cats, So I
like her. What is Cathy Bates kill? She kills something
in misery? Yeah, Glenn Close kills rabbit. I love Glenn class.
She boils it in a pot. She's a wild child.
I love her. I love damages. We should all watch it.

(52:15):
Fatal attraction. I feel like, is he started to get
the ball rolling enough? Like yeah, what leads to single
white female? That's true because it's fatal attractions like nine
like that a few years before. Yeah. Yeah, the late
eighties early nineties was the time for for this genre
of thriller. It's very good. Um, I want to talk

(52:37):
about the For like the longest time watching this movie,
I was like, Oh, there's so much female nudity. Where,
so many nipples, so many naked lady bonnies. Let's see
some dick. It's not going to happen, but it happens.
We see a sliver, see sliver Stephen Webber's dick. Yeah,
Sam when he like because he does whip out of

(52:58):
bed after he gets his blow jaw u um and
he's upset. You get a little full frontal action in there,
but I was like, that's it. Actually, I like all
the nudity in it, because even the female nudity is
not necessarily like sexual, and a couple of the scenes
it's just like it's just people are naked, which I

(53:21):
think there should be more nudity in movies. I mean
I just think in like a realistic way because it
definitely plays into like she gets naked around her and
Ali's weirded it out by how often head he just
like takes her shirt off and stuff. Um, but I
don't know. I always think it's weird when like two

(53:43):
characters are in bed and they're not naked, like just
you're an actor being naked, and I think that I'm
not I'm not trying to sound like see dude, It's
like it's like something like getting get naked. You're in
the picture, you want to be in the movie. You
want to be in the picture, you take your top off.

(54:05):
Nobody sits in bed like that. I your nips is
a cube, do the rest. My favorite is when there's
a sex scene in the movie and the actress is
like clearly not agreed to show any nudity, so like
she's got her bra and while they're just banging banging
it out. That's how you say it, right. If it
were realistic, everyone would be naked except the man is

(54:27):
for some reason, wearing socks still really goes. Yeah. For me,
sex is as clothes as possible. Zero eye contact, well
for sure, zero eye contact. Let's not ruin the experience
by remember. Yeah, I'm just glad that we saw some

(54:50):
dick that was nice. I also, yeah, you gotta gotta
check it out. Is it is it worth the peak
virus watching the movie? Never mind? Uh? Yeah, I had
to uh subscribe to a one week free trial of
Stars via Amazon rent I rented on iTunes. I'm the

(55:11):
only one supporting this town, this town, hey ladies on
this movie that we all liked, and I'm the only
one been off the street. He was barking at women
on this I got some ice cubes like that walk

(55:37):
Oh god. The other The other thing I want to
talk about is um and I don't even know if
it's worth mentioning, but a lot of these, a lot
of the movie. It wouldn't have played out the way
it had had Alie not been so nice and or naive.
For sure. Yeah, she's so accommodating to Hetty that it's

(56:01):
almost infuriating. I'm like, she bought you know that she's
bought all your clothes and that she it just but
that feels that's all kind of real with me too,
of like she's really trying to make the best out
of this situation where I feel like it it would be
possible for some audience members to sort of switch to
Hetty's side at any point by being like, well, Ali

(56:21):
was kind of mean to her at this moment or
at this moment, and like, but Ali's so overly nice
to her, even at the very end where Ali is like,
I'm still trying to forgive her and blah blah blah.
Like till the very end, she's too She's absolutely too
nice and forgiving literally everyone. I am truly shocked that

(56:42):
the ending is her thinking about how she's going to
try to forgive the woman that almost murdered her best
friend and did for her fiance and killed her dog,
gave and killed her a dog, killed her a dog.
I'm gonna kill you would hey, no, you won't be
a star. I do like that that she that's just

(57:07):
surprised me, and I mean they do she has no friends.
She's trying to get over this breakup. It's yeah, also
another way, she's in the fashion age industry. Fashion there's
but also in that ending segment, there's a weird reference
to Graham saying like Sam's dead, get over it, basically

(57:30):
of like I spent a while morning Sam, but Graham
said I had to move on. I was like, is
that really what you say to your best friend after
they were murdered by the same person you were almost
murdered by Graham. I'm just remembering what after she thinks
she killed Graham and um Ali walks in on her
in the shower and like really weird, and then she

(57:51):
stares at her bloody clothes. She blames it on her.
It's like, oh yeah, She's like, do you want tea?
Even then she's like we're trying your scamping. Yeah, you're
camping because you can help that. I was like, that
was a sink full of blood and she was so
much blood, Like it always happens when I'm where you're

(58:13):
not supposed to in your period. It always you just
ring it out into your sink into like clogs. Like
what the funk was that she clotted their bathroom? Sink
it was crazy. No, I can totally relate, and I'm
a very nice person, so I like, really get it. Oh,
I thought you were saying I'm very heavy. Every time

(58:36):
I think o J was innocent, she bled to death
that she just got a really bad period. I just
started watching. I just started watching the people versus o
Jam really enjoying it. Oh, it's good. You gotta watch
the ESPN documentary. I'm going to watch that as well.
I've seen it twice. Nice, I'm gonna watch it again.
So yeah, I guess it boils down to, Uh, this
one relationship between these two characters is so complex and interesting,

(59:02):
Like we got this nice lady who just wants to
be nice and accommodating. We've got this uh woman with
the personality disorder that also makes her homicidal. Uh what
put them together? And why do you like advertisement for
mental health care? Yeah? True, her parents do care what
happens to her, trying to help herntal neglect thing. Even

(59:25):
the weirdo her checks the cash checks, that horny cash.
Her boss is like, your dad's calling here. He says,
he's gonna come on down the New York City. If
you don't get together and she's like, I've gotta go.
She's like, you're an actress, right, and you're yeah, I
like it. I love it. It looks good. I did like,

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maybe I'm gonna go blonde. She's like, oh my god.
Then she comes, Oh my god, coming coming on the clock.
Very cool. Uh. But then the I I also just like,
on a very basic level, like the fact that even
though we don't necessarily know what Ali's job is, she

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is both clearly very good at her job, owns her
own business, and as a nice person. Where I feel
like that is not where most movies go. If someone
if a woman's getting her job, she's usually not nice.
All seeing the Devil Wears product two weeks notice, et cetera. Uh, Yeah,
that was an interesting portrayal. I liked they made a
lot of choices that I really was on board with

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and that I really liked this movie. Yeah, everyone watch it,
Slee female ever start referencing it, so I'm not alone? Yeah,
because I can't. I wonder what the percentages of people
said something along the lines of like, she's single white
female in you. I don't know what I would think

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if you said that to me. I would just be like, Wow,
this guy hates single white female. She's women move out.
Uh do you have a lot of friends who found
horrible situations like that that you're having to drop in it? Constantly,
drop the reference all the time. Yeah, I've definitely been
in Sam's position many a time. You can't stop banging

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your ex wife. She's got her hooks on me. Keep going,
I keep going to her place to tell her I'm
with somebody new. And how he talks that off though,
he's like she was sad. Yeah, she was droning like
it's like, Sam, you rascal. I don't like that. What

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I do like is that oftentimes a woman who is
like the other party of a cheating situation is the
one who's like targeted to be like, you're the villain,
you home record, you awful person. But she's never seen
on screen. We don't even mention her again. We hear her, really,
we hear she is stand there. But I like that

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all of Alley's anger is targeted towards Sam until it's immediately,
not until it's not. She's like, wait, he sent me
a letter, He showed up unannounced, fucking making out and
like about to fuck Meanwhile, Hetty's watching in the window
and the old lady sponsor. I forgot to feel old

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lady from like, who's been an old lady in a
hundred movies? She started acting, you know, she was in
four hundred movies from ages like sixties seven to seventy two.
She's God, I can't wait to go on r IMDb
because I'm sure it's all like old neighbor, old lady librarian.

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Where was Hetty's We saw Hetty at work once, didn't we?
She works at a bookstore? She does. Okay, well, I
feel stigmatized. What do you mean, as a psychopath who's
worked at a bookstore, I feel stamentized. Yeah, I reckon.
If you haven't seen this movie, you probably haven't also
listened to this episode of the podcast because we spoiled

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the entire thing. Yeah, you should listened to this. Yeah
if you, oh man, you made a huge mistake. Um.
I do like at the end of the movie that
they insinuate if you don't forgive the person that wronged you,
you will become them. That is kind of really a
weird lesson for you know what. I kind of want
to see Ali as a crazy person. Was there a sequel.
Let's see, there was a sequel that came out like

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ten years ago that was like a directive video. Yeah.
The last thing I want to say is that we
do see like there's a short beat where Graham kind
of saves Ali. Whenever, why couldn't he have saved Ali
instead of the rapist? Well he does, but if he'd
woken up like ten minutes earlier, that whole weird situation

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would have been avoided. They had to draw out the
ten draw the tension, and it led to the big
like trailer moment that I remember of him ripping the
tape off her face and she and it's a close
up of Bridget Fond and she says, look out, she's crazy. Yeah. Wait,
So whenever ned Ryerson goes to confront her, he never

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gets into the apartment, right, like the neighbor or the
landlord or something shoos them away or does he you know,
because she has she's that's actually another finds her. She
goes to the basement to get Alie's bags, and she
crawls into it to see if she can fit a
body in there. And then and then so she then
she brings the bag back up and and Mitch, of

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course notices that it has Ali's name on it, and
so he barges his way in and locks. But I
also can't imagine speaking that way to a stranger, like
you do know her? I don't know. But then he
goes in and just like a series of big reactions
from Mitch Meyerson saying like you know, he's like, you
do know her? And he pushes in and he goes

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what the fuck and then he straddles the woman he
almost raped not three days ago. Yeah, that would have
been really fucked up if he was like, now I
got you kind of finish what I started. I'm a
fucking pervert. I like, man, I wasn't too upset when
he got whacked. Yeah, and I don't think. I don't
think you're supposed to be whacked as in like mobster

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style killed, or like whacked over the head. I forget
what happens. I didn't get to this. He was whacked
over the head, right, he was whacked. Yeah, I feel
like it's a pretty vague way that he dies. Okay,
steampunk check. This is the first movie we've ever talked
about that I does not have. I was wondering if
you would be able to stephorn steampunk in here. No

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steampunk culture in this movie, which is probably like it movie.
That's why I like it. And also I think this
movie predates steampunk culture. That is true. I was in
San Francisco again this week and I saw the steampunk
guy again on the accordion pants guy. The accordion pants guy.
There's a guy in San Francisco who I was so mad.

(01:05:57):
I went to the same I remembered cross streets and like,
let me go back and see if he's still there,
and fucking of course it's a Monday, he's still there.
Grow up. I know. I'm like having a very hard
time arriving at a point, but I swear I did
have one that I like that she ends up ultimately
saving herself. Like there's that brief moment where like Graham

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kind of steps in, but then I feel like he
he gets hit or something, and that's again. So then
Hetty takes her to the basement and then they have
that fight down there. So I like that, like she
doesn't have to be saved by a man, she saves herself.
I like that she throws a rat on Hetty, yeah,
because I was like, no, she's gonna squeal at the
rat and then she's gonna be caught. But she has

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the fourth side to be like, let me throw the
rat on my enemy. Yes, she does wind up being
unbelievably strong, Like, she does some pretty acrobatic stuff over.
That's pretty amazing. That's pretty great. She's a software developer
for the fashion industry. Of course she's strong. She can
do anything. They set up that screw driver for a while,

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they did one of those. Yeah, yeah, anyone else have
any final thoughts about I liked this movie so much.
Thanks for introducing it to us. Yeah, my pleasure. I'm
glad you guys enjoyed it. Thanks for having me on
talking about perhap. I know the final thing we need
to talk about is whether or not the movie passes
the Bechdel test. Does it does? Yeah? And almost every scene.

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Good job movie. Um, a lot of the ones we've
talked about don't even try, don't time for nipples. Yeah.
We rate the movie on a scale of zero to
five nipples based on its portrayal of about like women,
So we ran on nipple scale. I like the odd

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number of nipples. Yeah, that's how a human number body works. Well, okay,
five sets of nipples. Nipples total five nipples five We've
ought one, two, three, four, five? Okay okay, yeah, we're
just not always all right unless some of us are.
What are the types of animals that like their penis

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will like withdraw into their body like whales? It's like
that for something that's also human. Sometimes women's nipples just
shrink into the body. Yeah, I aspire to have no
nipples one day. It's another one of my bucket list things.
And go flip a table. What was the other thing?
If you just gotta go sucking nipples right hand, it's

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really a mind over matter kind of thing. I'm gonna
think my nipples away. To pop your nipples out. God,
I miss them. Just hold your breath and let them.
I'm going to write a self help book called Think
your Nipples Away. Please do. I'll buy it, thank you. Okay, Okay,

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you go first. Since in rating it, I would give
this movie because it has such an interesting representation of
like the relation chips and a lot of trips that
we see, especially if this genre are subverted and things
like that. I would give this movie like a four.
Four nipples. Yeahs, I have to describe the nipples all right,

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half fast fun. I'm excited to describe my nipples. Okay,
the two of them belong to Ali empowered, empowered nipples.
They're very nice, just beautiful New York and cool New
York and cool um. And then the other two belong

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uh god, I don't they're just they're four nice nipples.
You don't want to you don't want to talk about
Hettie's nipples? Is that where this is going? You're kind
of bp D nips. They're not as nice as Allie's.
I mean that's part of the story, right, Well, but
like a are they Well we see both of them,

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but I think we see Hettie's nipples more. Yeah. Yeah,
he's naked a lot in this movie. She's naked a lot,
and she's hot. She's a hot babe. I'm giving it
four nipples. You're gonna give her two nipples for nipples.
I'm giving her two nipples for nipples. I'm going to
give four nipples as well. Two of them belong to

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Hetty's dead twin. Two of them belong to Ali's computer program.
Nipple ladies. That's great, Okay, I'm giving two to the
old neighbor. Yeah you know what, Yeah, let's give him

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to both women over. I don't know if um Mitch's
secretary was, but she's definitely, you know, one of the
older characters in the movie. It's true. I'm giving her
my other two nipples. Are there any people of color
in this movie? No, that it's very why it is.
But and this is not to defend a lack of representation,

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but there we really only know five or six characters
in this entire movie. The cast is very small. You
can you usually make Graham a person of color, It's true.
And then and then if he lives, that would be
a double victory. Yeah, we did it. We did it.
This was a fun one. This was fun. Yeah, we

(01:11:26):
are now can no and tie you well, let's save
the noises. Yeah, thanks again for being here. Thanks. Do
you do you have anything you'd like to plug? Yeah,
I mean the first part of your question. No, I
don't really, I don't really have anything to plug. You
can go to my mostly unused social media I'm Ben

(01:11:51):
Underscore Rogers on Twitter. Follow me, I tweet like I
don't know, and once a month, I'm getting off the
end Internet. I'm done. You're wow, We're about with the
internet pushed ben off into the sea on an iceberg.
This was his last stand. Yeah, this is it for me,
this send off you went out. Yeah, I want my

(01:12:14):
last words to be about single wife female. I tweet
too much. I tweeted too much about my hamster on
Valentine's Day. It got pointed out to me. It's okay,
we had a fun night. It got pointed out to
you some of we gotta talk your hamster. Hey, we're worried.
Did you spend all night with your hamster on Valentine's Day? Uh? No,

(01:12:38):
I also watched the Jinks at my gay best friend's house,
sot it down on the hamster ship. So I would
never show my hamster the jinks. She's too young. You
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(01:12:59):
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I just want to I'm like, try not to write
about things I'm angry about. I try not to be

(01:13:20):
a sixty five year old angry grandfather. Speaking of angry
grandfathers on Twitter, my dad has more Twitter followers than me.
Yet again, what I had him beat for a solid
six months and then he had some sort of surge
and now he has sixty d followers on Twitter. It's
fucking wild. No he I wish, I wish I could

(01:13:45):
give him that he broke some news about the Boston
Bruins and then suddenly he's got like four hundred more followers.
He journalist. How does he have so many followers? Yeah,
he's he's a hockey reporter. So whenever something hot he happens,
he gets a surge. It's not hard, it's not fair
by by some followers. I'm gonna buy followers and be like,

(01:14:08):
funk you dad. All right, well, I think this is
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