Spice World with Amanda Meadows

Go on a very confusing trip through the plot holed streets of London with Caitlin, Jamie and guest Amanda Meadows to get to the Spice Girls concert in time! Aristotle 'Alan' Cumming produces!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the bel Cast, the questions asked if movies have
women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and
husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy and best
start changing it with the Beckdel Cast. Hello and welcome
to the Bechtel Cast. I'm Caitlin, I'm Jamie, and we're
here to talk about movies, specifically what women. Yeah, the

(00:24):
portrayal of women. The portrayal of women. What are they like?
What are they like? Do they get? Oh? Here's the test.
Are there two women in the movie who are speaking
to each other about something other than a man? Do
they have names? We want to know Ideally they do?
Ideally yes, And that, my friends, is the Bechtel Test
created Bye Joey Bechtel, Bobby Bechtel, the second Mr Bobby Beckdel. Yeah,

(00:55):
so that's what this podcast is about. And we're going
to talk about a movie as we do every single time.
We're so excited for this episode. Yeah, I'm pretty excited. Um,
let's just jump right in and introduce our guests. She
is the best. She's so funny. She is a best
selling author and she co runs Devastating or Press on
a Los Angeles it man meadows. Oh my god, that

(01:23):
was a great intro. No information about me, but like,
I know I've been to your home. You know what.
That's right, You've a lovely home. By the way, Well,
thank you, Amanda. Fun fact about Amanda, She's got a
Charlie Brown poster in her bathroom. Yes, and it's from
the movie everyone forgets about. I'd never heard of it.
I had to look it up. After Charlie Brown. They

(01:45):
go to France, they stay in the countryside, there's great stuff.
A house is on fire. Whose idea plane? It's great?
Is the French Tourism board responsible for the absolutely let's
bring beloved American characters, you know, just to rants, just
to like make it an appealing to to the younger set.
My dad has a weird amount of spite for France. Really,

(02:06):
he calls everything that he thinks rich people do French.
One time he called me and he was like where
are you And I was like, I'm in a Starbucks
and he was like, what are you French? Wait? Was
he one of those people who like, like, instead of
calling them French fries, he'd call them freedom fries. No.
I think he just like decided that French was a
synonym for bougie, which does, which does? Which makes sense

(02:29):
if you view French people as like bread carrying cartoon characters. Right.
I had an idea for a sketch that I wanted
to perform once where it would just be like a
quick blackout sketch, but it would be Jack from Titanic
and Rose or some woman. And the woman would say, Jack,
I want you to draw me like one of your

(02:50):
French girls. And she takes off a robe and it's
just like her, with like a beret and like a
striped shirt, with like a little red hand, like smoking
a cigarette and holding a bag a t great, I
love it, I'm in give me. Can it also be
the caffee Baits character? Oh yeah, Molly sinkable Molly Branch, Yes,

(03:11):
like so very unsinkable. Hey, what movie we're talking about today?
I don't know. I said that we're talking about We
just talk about Titanic. Ackat, No, we're not talking man.
Well if I know that, that's what we always want
to do. Okay, this is the same eraboh true, same

(03:32):
year because the movie we're talking about is Spice World.
That's a yas queen. Yeah, this is kind of a
yas Queen kind of movie. It's super is excuse my shouting.
I have a Mike's Hard lemonade. It's a harder. I
has a lightning bowl over the r we. Yeah, it's

(03:53):
wild serious. If you want to get crazy, you're gonna
want to funk with this lemonade. Does that mean it's
a higher alcohol content than a regular mix hard? Yeah,
it's it's actually kind of ridiculous. Yeah. It says warning
next to it too, it says warning contains alcohol. Yeah,
I'm not ready. Just in case I'm not ready, because
it looks like a kind of like juice, which is

(04:15):
essentially where it is just like riddled with alcohol. Also,
when you smell it, it's it smells like the love
Spell body spray from Victorious. Remember this candy sticky sweet? Yeah,
it's like it's it's I wouldn't say it's good, but
I would say that I have it a lot, that
it is peak drinkable, consumable. Love it. Yeah, and all

(04:40):
the bliss points. Give some snack food lingo, some inside
snack food business lingo. Do you know someone in the biz?
I just read an except an excerpt from that book
about bliss points, about like, how like Freedola like designs
tastes to be like peak salt, peak sugar. That sounds

(05:02):
really good. Yeah, I bet the Mike's Harder people develop
their product using sheer intuition. They're like, we know, like,
but how does it feel? How does a Mike's Hard
lemonade of twelve year olds? Yeah? I have this kid's

(05:22):
how does it feel? I want to be a part
of them's hard focus group? Like what would it be? Like?
There's there's a bad sketch that I could write Mike's
Hard focus group. It's a little bit harder than your
regular bug. I'd buy it. I'll pay you a bunch

(05:43):
of money. Do you want to buy my sketch? Let's
do it. Let's go back in time, spitch it to
funnier name in two thousand nine. Yeah, I'd be like,
give me a give me a be selep any b
selep be in my sketch? That is bad? Whoa sick? Ross? Jamie?
So we're talking about spice World and said that, well,

(06:07):
yeah we did, but that we immediately got off topic.
And I prepared for such an eventuality. I brought us
all physical totems to remind us that we're talking about
Spice World. Yeah, so I actually really really no. Lie
bought these two two and a half years ago at

(06:27):
a ninine cent story. I have these three inch mini
figurines of four of the Spice Girls. Let's see. We've
got baby here, we got sporty, We've got your posh
she's in some kind of bikini, doesn't look that posh?
And scary Spice who's in some kind of cow themed
get ups. Animal prints. Yeah, she loves her animal prints.

(06:48):
That's what makes her scary, not that she's black. How
do we feel one? I mean, are we addressing was
problematic in this movie? Or was problematic about the Spice
Girls as an entity? I think it's an entity because,
like the movie is actually not that offensive, it's just
kind of bad. Yeah, so tell us about, like, when

(07:09):
when did you first see this? What's your history with
this movie? Let's see, so I like, I immediately love
the Spice Girls. I was the right age. I think
I was like in fifth grade when I Wannabe came
out and yeah, it was just like me and the
girls at school just figuring out which Spice Girl we're
going to be. It was pretty obvious for me, but

(07:30):
I got to sit and watch everyone else argue about
whether they were baby or posh, so that was fun. Um,
and I loved the first album. Um. I never got
to see them live, but I did see Spice World
in theaters and I hadn't seen it since uh last night,
and today I watched a bunch of clips in random order,
which is kind of like watching them anyway. Yeah, it

(07:53):
was probably closer to real order than I think. But yeah,
it's just a crazy, mad cap like Monkey's style adventure
and and uh, you know, it did seem kind of
feminist when I was a kid. Now it's like it
almost feels like it was before it's time, because it
was like kind of ironically feminist. Um, I feel like

(08:15):
they weren't trying, but it somehow ended up still. It
was like weird corporate feminist. It's a very like neoliberal capitalist. Yeah,
girl power, they say, wonder if they were getting money
for so much like girl power because this is something

(08:38):
we can put on an eardescent sticker. The little girls
will die. So many shirts that girl power. When I
was little and they were all pink. Yeah yeah, like
I I there was the little like crop top with
the with the shoulder like the caps leave that said
boys lie and there's like an eardescent print. Like there
was this girl who wore it like every other day

(09:01):
at school. It was like its like a spice girl.
Let's stop like graphic t stories. I had my fifth
grade school picture. Um um, I have braces. And I
used to love getting corn rows, which is like weird.
And I used to love getting corn rows. That was, yeah,
what you do the butterfly clips? I did the butterfly clips,

(09:23):
and in this particular is a specific genre of corn row, right,
I mean it was. It still looked a little bit off,
but I was wearing a yeah it was. It was.
It was very poor neighborhood and Massa jees, we all
had corn rows. It was a different time. Anyways, I'm
wearing a T shirt that says too young for Ashton's.

(09:44):
Oh I remember those shirts. Yeah, you get him a
Macy's and my aunt got it for me. I didn't
need to too young for Ashton isn't like yeah, because
he was on show. He was on first name basis,
like fame in the early ots like do Where's My Car? Show? Yeah,
I remember that I was a little too old from

(10:06):
at that point, and it said too young for Ashton,
as if to say, but I recognize I'm too young. Yeah.
It was actually a very progressive shirt or a warning
to Ashton, say he's like, hey, what a cute little

(10:27):
Oh no, she's too young baby, like knee socks lead
my shirt and too young for you? Too young for you,
but I think you're very handsome. Oh my god. Should
I'll do the recap of this. I don't know, let's

(10:49):
do it. I mean, how do you even recap a
movie without a plot? I don't series of I'm winded.
It's not even sketches skits. Yeah, it's not sophisticated enough
to have a sketching sketch. It is ski decidedly skin room.

(11:12):
The story focuses on the Spice girls. They all play themselves.
They're already like famous in the movie. They have like
I guess a manager named Clifford. I'm not entirely sure
what his job is. And then he has like a
another person who helps named Debrah. They're kind of like
keeping the girls on track because they're about to do
a live show in a few days or some amount

(11:36):
of time minutes. The concept of time. It's very Meanwhile,
there is this guy who runs a tabloid magazine and
he's like, I hate these Spice Girls. People like him
too much. I want different headlines. So he hires this
like he's so sweaty and everything. He's like, I made

(11:59):
them again a stroidem and he just covered in flop sweat.
It's like, what is he so stranged? He's it's like
almost like a j Jonah Jamison, like all I think
about his Spider Man where he's like, oh, I think
about is as Spice Girls. He's like a strung out
just like with way lower steaks. So yeah, he hires

(12:24):
a guy like a photographer to like kind of go
undercover and like try to dig up some dirt on
the Spice Girl so that he can start running different headlines.
He got the he got the foggy toe sucking picture. Meanwhile,
there are these two other like Hollywood guys who want
to make a movie about the Spice Girls, so they

(12:44):
like keep pitching stories to Clifford. So those are like
some of the subplots. I guess. The main plot is
just the Spice Girls preparing for this concert, Like they
go to dance camp or something like and they have
a friend named Nicola. They have a pregnant and they're

(13:07):
like trying to support her and her pregnancy, and it's
just about them having a friendship and being in a
girl band together. It's such a confusing movie, Like every
part of it, I'm like, do they hate mothers? Do
they like mothers? Do they? Because they they're like, we're
so happy for you, and then right, and then they're

(13:31):
like if we were mothers, we'd be fat and boring.
And then you see that long, admittedly great skit about babies,
like how many babies do I have? Again? Right, this
movie is there's like all these like dream sequence slash
weird flash forward type things sprinkled throughout, and then at

(13:54):
the end it's revealed it's been a movie the whole time.
This movie is so met Yeah, it's crazy. It has
a thinker thinker. There's like this it's a mad, mad,
mad mad world feeling where there's like all of these
different camps and people going after the Spice girls, but
they don't give you enough time to understand what they're like.
Angles aren't necessarily There's also the two screenwriters who are

(14:16):
like trying to like pitch a movie and then there's
like Alan Cummings in it forgot about Oh my god,
and I forget Yeah, he's trying to make a documentary
about them. First of all, let me say, why are
so many antagonists? But none of them are even like

(14:36):
all that bad. They're just like comically, Yeah, they do
the concert. Everyone loves them. First of all, let me say,
I would totally have sex with Alan Cumming. Oh my god,
he's such as a hard note for me. Yeah, I'm
super surprised we do not have the same taste in men.
We That's like the best part of like a solid

(14:57):
friendship is like there's never going to be a clash.
I'm going to take Alfred Molina every time. You're gonna
take Alan Comming every time. Well, I'll go home happy, Okay,
I'll still take Alfred. Mollie and I had. Paul likes
like my high end, like queer. He knows a lot.
I can learn a few things. I don't like to

(15:19):
be taught. I'm like, I'm going to show you how
it's done. I'm Blench devereauh she was, that's our Jamie.
I'm a real blanch. I wish I was a real blanch.
I'm more of a Dorothy. I think, yeah, me too,
but I want to be a Sophia. She's so funny.

(15:40):
I'm not familiar enough with the show, so I'm just
gonna call my home. I'm like, really a Raphael from
the Ninja Turtle. There was crude dude with an attitude.
There's actually a Spice Girls Ninja Turtles connection. I read
the because I vaguely remembered that Roger Ebert particularly really
really really hated this movie and like wrote a really

(16:04):
fun bad review of it where he says, the Spice
Girls are in paraphrasing, but like they're as easy to
distinguish as the Ninja Turtles, but it doesn't matter because
none of them have any personality. Like they look very different,
but they're all the same person It was like interesting

(16:25):
parallel Saker would disagree. I would too, but I just
thought it was interesting that he felt so like really
revisited this movie a number of times in specials in books,
like he for someone who disliked this movie, he really
put some hours into really thinking about it, because it's
a really interesting failure. Like there's a lot to dissects.

(16:48):
It's like a time capsule. It's like what other point
in time would this be allowed, right, Yeah, just pretty much.
I remember this exact day. This movie is super popular
when it came out, but it like not that it
hasn't aged well because I just watched it and I
enjoyed it, not because it's a good movie. Mostly it's

(17:10):
just it has great jokes. This is a very funny movie.
I totally forgot. There are a lot of funny moments.
I was telling Jamie before we started recording that, like,
I probably saw this movie for the first time. I
might have been around when it came out, if not,
maybe a few years later, but I was still you know, young, uh,
you know, early teenager kind of thing, and I totally

(17:30):
dismissed it as a movie that, like I probably have
paid attention to it. I was like, oh, I don't
want I don't I don't really care about the Spice Girls.
I was more into Backstreet Boys. I was your favor.
Brian me too. He had a hard condition, which would
be Brian he did. He was the hot one. No,
Nick Carter was a hot one, but Brian was the

(17:51):
one who brought a certain something to the table. Brian
had a really nice jaw line, and that was what
I liked about he was Kevin's cousin. Kee was the
old one that was the more square faced dude with
like the ash brown hair. Right, it's like always just
like a regular dude with the spiky hair. Yeah. And
then I remember my mom had a big crush on Kevin,

(18:11):
even the time that he wore the kilt. I know,
Keny was killed. And then Howie was the worst of all.
He's saying that song Spanish Eyes. How he super gross.
But a j Vanity came god and he was troubled.
He went to rehab, but he was like, oh about it.

(18:33):
I saw I've told Caitlin this story before. I'm pretty sure,
but I saw my first back story my first and
last back Street Boys concert the night before nine eleven. Alright,
and your mom September ten was part of a simpler
time because she wanted to see who wasn't Cisco Cisco
Cisco opened Wow. She I missed part of the concert

(18:56):
because she wanted to get in line and meet Cisco.
She thought he was a babe. And then and then
Nick and I had a sign that was like I
love you Brian anyway. Anyway, So yeah, I saw this
and not long after I came out, and then I
like dismissed it as something. I was like, why would
I want to watch this this this is a dumb

(19:18):
girl movie. I want to watch Indiana Jones instead, and like, yeah,
I went through cool girls syndrome too. Yeah, I mean,
I'm still there. But then but so I rewatched it
for this episode and then I was like, holy crap.
It was kind of like how I experienced clueless. Like
the first time, I was like, you know, it's just

(19:39):
it's just dumb Beverly Hills girls. And then and then
I forgot that it was like riddled with jokes. There's
so much comedy in it and clothes and in Spice World.
I saw this movie a little bit. I probably saw
it like more early two because I was I was
too young for it when it came out, and so
I became more acquainted with the Spice Girls kind of

(20:00):
after they had already sort of gone away. I came
in around S Club seven. My sweet spot is S Club.
There ain't nobody like an S Club party. That's about
where I was at. But I I have seen this
movie a ton of times, and for some reason, I

(20:22):
remember being so scandalized by it at the time and
thinking like, oh my, like I shouldn't be watching this,
like their skirts are so short and they say bra
But I loved this movie and I still now like
watch I hadn't seen it in at least ten years,
and it's so much it's even more fun to watch now.

(20:43):
It's so good. Yeah, it is a fun movie to
watch again. I mean, if you're like a budding screenwriter,
don't take any hints or cues from it on how
to write a screenplay, because it doesn't do a good
job with that in terms of like story structure, but
as far as just like lovable cares and funny jokes,
it's an enjoyable movie to watch and kind of a

(21:04):
British tradition two of like there were the Beatles movies
and the in the sixties, and then the were the Monkeys.
They were like they were like making fun of the Beatles,
right right right yeah, and then there's that like kind
of Benny Hill quality too. There's just like this whole
like tradition of like British camp. Yeah, and it doesn't

(21:26):
take it so like literally. My one of my favorite
parts about the movie is the tagline, which is they
don't just saying that's like I had taglines for the movie.
There's another one that's like, so you want a revolution,
do you? It's like, how does that relution? What happened?

(21:49):
A bus blows up? I wonder what you mean? I
wonder like I do wonder, like would this movie be
incredibly not just confusing, but like not fun to watch
for someone who had not even been sort of alive
in I count myself as sort of being alive in
in it. I existed, but I didn't know what things were.

(22:09):
I feel like this is a good window, like timing wise,
like there's a really good double dutch opening for like nostalgia.
So like if you just go down a tumbler hole
long enough, you'll, like you'll piece it together from the
banana clips to the glitter and then the platform shoes,
and then you'll eventually make it to the Spice girls

(22:29):
get there and then you and then you'll figure out
what was going on, and then you'll watch Spice World
and you'll really appreciate it. But it won't be the same, right, Yeah,
because it is. It is like peak very specific time
and place. Um, but that's why it's so great. I
don't know that's why it's fine. Nineties cancer will remember.

(22:53):
I mean I was eleven when the movie came out.
I was like, it's the peak demographic for the Spice
Girl and this movie. Even so, I was like too busy,
Like Bank to the Future is my favorite movie. It
still I say that was you also yesterday. I have
not grown much as a person, but have a series

(23:17):
of unfortunate events tattoo and I love it. So no regrets,
no need to grow. As far as the characters, we
already kind of went through them. But we've got baby
and sporty and ginger and posh and scary Spice. I
was gonna ask, how do we feel about the one
spice girl of color being named scary? I mean, we

(23:40):
don't feel good about it. It's very on the nose.
It's like because it wasn't it a tabloid that named
them those names. It wasn't an official thing. It was
like they came out and then like I think maybe
it was the Daily Mail or some ship that was
like reviewing them and called them like blank spice, blank spice. Yeah,
like that was that was like the media's immediate take

(24:05):
on the format of the Spice Girls and so it
was just like she's scary. She's just scary, and that stuck. Yeah,
oh my god. Yeah. So they're basically like, oh, this
one has red hair, so she's ginger, right, this one
acts like a baby baby, which is like that's true. Yeah,
it's like some of them, it's pretty easy to pinpoint.

(24:25):
There's not seen in this movie where Baby is not
actively licking a lollipop through any bit of dialogue. Real
gross dis and like even her like her give like
they all kind of borrow things, like the baby Spice
is just so obviously like a harrow Juko girl, Like
she steals so much from Japanese culture. She literally in

(24:47):
that scene where they're like, you know, you're gonna say
hello to the whole world, and she immediately it's like,
I'm going to take Japan, like right, she says, they're
very it just like come on, baby. I like how
they are asked, oh, how many countries are you is
it going to reach? And they're like millions, maybe mole yeah,
and then aliens come back seeds crazy alien let's start.

(25:15):
That's a pretty good representation of what this movie is.
The story of this movie is the Spice girls are
very famous so that the same ship from Independence date
comes down with like millions of lights. But like like
Mars attacks style aliens probably very campy, wet wet they

(25:37):
one of them they're covered in goop. Yeah. Their hands
are just knuckles, like a three knuckle cluster. One of
them knuckle cluster, knuckle, rageous bar of hand. One of
them grabs scary spices breast and sexually assaulter. Yeah, and

(25:58):
then the other aliens, Like I told shake her hand.
He was like I thought that was her hand, Like,
oh boy, a little bit more research. Can you only
punch if your hand is only knuckles, you may have
gently punched. Yeah, And then like later they asked Ginger
for a kiss, So it's like, okay, well if you ask,

(26:19):
if you know what a kiss is, then you should
know what a hand is. So you just wanted to
legit go for Melboe. That was the UM. I love
that the Spice girls can speak the language that they're speaking,
or at least understand it. Yeah, And it's like does
that have three ksus it's purple. The Spice girls are

(26:43):
totally They just conform to whatever is needed for the
skit they are appearing in. Yes, which is like, oh,
there's aliens. Well they speak alien and they're so willing
to like absorb anything into spice cannon, which is like
so great. And that's like kind of the core idea
of a pop group too. It's like, you know, like

(27:06):
it's a shape shifting parasite, like you like this, we're
this like right, I mean, I guess that is close
to like a modern day equivalent would be like Katy
Perry of like whatever. Katy Perry doesn't have a personality,
she's doing whatever the fuck you're supposed to be doing
as Yeah, where it's like, oh, we like aliens right now,

(27:27):
et let's do it. We're the eighties are green lipstick
while I do it right, like the eighties are back.
We're doing t G I f like she does not.
She's like, you want me to shoot cream out of
my titties, I'll do it. What do you want? And
that's how girl groups and and guide groups to an
extent worked. Yeah, it's true, still work. They're just they're

(27:51):
just they're just avatars and we're just projecting ourselves onto them.
I'm kidding. That's thank you so much. I'm doing a
real deep die. Let me just continue on with that
because I have a few scenes I want to discuss.
The scene when they're in Milan and the backup dancers

(28:12):
come in, Oh yeah, and everyone's like, oh, what's what's
this because they're like these chiseled muscle guys with like
only like shiny underwear on or like tidy Whitey's or
something objectification but like it's fine, and everyone's like, we
don't want them this, this is not what we wanted.
And then you see a few of the girls talking

(28:34):
to like a different one of these guys, and these
scenes are so funny because Scary like looks at the
one guy they're like talking about their junk and they're like,
what do you think this is real? And she's like no,
I think it's just a rolled up pair of socks. Uh,
And she's like making fun of his muscles. And then
Baby is talking to a different one and she's explaining
to him why there's not enough room in her bed

(28:54):
for him because of all her stuffed animals and dolls,
and then Sporty, I think, is talking to a different
one and I think they're talking about Milan's soccer team
and how they suck, which is like who gives off fun.
It could have been like these girls like oggling over
these hot men and they were just like, oh, you

(29:17):
guys are dumb, get out of here. We don't want
you here, which these movies all about. It's like there's
no love interest. It's just them a celebration of their
friendship and they're like girl power. Well, okay, I'm gonna
usually I'm the one to be like in defense of
the movie. But there are so many male antagonists and

(29:38):
they're all ineffectual like olymptics idiots, and it's very clearly portrayed.
But also the Spice Girls are portrayed. It's almost everyone
in this movie is made out to be like a
completely stupid um, which is an interesting choice creatively. It's
like stupid world where everyone's everyone's fucking dumb. But but

(29:59):
still they're lives are almost completely dictated by the decision
or like there are men trying to actively manipulate them all.
Forty five of the villains in this movie are stalking
them and like throwing obstacles in their way to the
demands of them, right, And it's like this is not satire,

(30:20):
but you know, you could see where people would be
like hey, maybe, like maybe there was one person who
did a draft of this movie that very likely went
through four thousand drafts. Sixth of the world contributed to
the script, and it's based on an idea by the
Spice Girls. Though, so what if we went on tour

(30:44):
and we're very famous and they're like, we've got it, girls,
just give us like six years. Um. But there's just
like there's all these men trying to manipulate them, and
arguably it kind of works, but also what kind of
doesn't because like really nothing changes from the beginning to
the end of the movie. They start pretty famous, then

(31:05):
even more famous. Yeah, what does right? They don't like
demolish the system that created this problem where they're surrounded
by horrible dudes. It's not an important movie. Will say
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say
this movie didn't change the world. It was like, I know,

(31:27):
I know, it's a very profound. It was like, at
times really well observed. There were lots of like really
funny parodic elements where you're like, oh, yeah, that's true,
but there's nothing on top of that. There's no like counterpoint,
there's no razor to it. I mean there's no there's
no really anything that happened, Like you could watch any

(31:51):
five minutes of this movie and have no idea where
it takes place in the story because nothing happened, like
many happens. But it's beautiful. In a few times that
like feminism is mentioned, it's almost as a joke or
as like right, nothing, you know, no, one's like there's

(32:14):
no feminist agenda that this moment. But it doesn't seem
like a joke when you're the appropriate age to be
watching it like this, when it doesn't feel that way
when you're like twelve, Yeah, when it's like because that's
like when they say it's totally empty and almost poking
fun at like you know whatever feminism as a selling
point as as just a veneer. But yeah, they don't

(32:37):
really demolish that in any way. Yeah, where there. And
but if you're eleven and you're like power, you're like, yeah,
I should be like these girls who are actively selling
me wonder brass girl power to use my credit card
at North Stops. Yeah, I do love this humor that

(32:58):
we're I think it's like is this dress too short?
Or should I have this dress? Or this dress? Dress? Yeah,
dress and then the little Gucci dress, and then Baby says,
I think you should have the little Gucci dress. And
then they're like, yeay, Baby, you fucking idiot. Oh man,
that seems so funny that that's when they're talking about

(33:20):
the horoscopes and she's like, you're an aquarius, so you
don't believe in anything. She's like, well, I don't believe
that either, what you say about capiticorns. But the two times.
There's one scene where remembering the photo shoot, when they're
dressing up as each other, that was really fun. Yeah.

(33:40):
I was just thinking about that. I think it's is
it Melby who dresses up as Ginger Spice and she's
like a good feminism whatever, because I guess Jerry slash
Ginger was she like quite outspoken aboutism, and I don't
remember that she was the most outspoken about it, but
it was it was still various surface level. She's usually

(34:01):
the one that says yeah. And then whenever the writers
who were trying to pitch movies to Clifford, they're like
Spice four five, where Ginger is like the master disguise
and so she runs into this little phone booth and
then twirls around and then Bob Hoskins comes out, it's amazing,

(34:22):
and then he's like feminism, equality between the sexes or whatever.
So like both times, like any time that, like like
I said, like feminism or girl power is mentioned, it's
like usually at the bed of a joke like that,
it's yeah, it's totally throw away feminism for the sake
of like this is starting to be marketable, but not

(34:45):
even quite marketable enough to not be endorsing bras constantly.
So ye, I would like to draw attention to how
many very British sounding names through are in this movie.
Peek Alan Cumming plays a character named Pays Cuthberts and smithe,
oh yeah, it's great. Mark McKinny is great and great

(35:06):
and yes at Martin Bonfield and uh, Kevin mcmxvott, it's
just it's uh, it's this movie is so British. There
there's a barnaby. You can't it's law, you can't have
a British one without a barnaby. Yes, And then the

(35:28):
came is we've got Elton John, We've got Elvis Costeller,
we've got meat Love as the bus Drive, We've got
Stephen Fry, we've got Hugh Laurie back when they were
still I think Jennifer Saunders at peak abbab. Yeah, as
it says Jennifer Saunders as fashionable woman. There's so many

(35:52):
that would have been, like the Americans would have just
been called fashionable women. CBS Money Days, Well, wasn't there.
There's basically a show that there was designing one designing Women. Yeah,
I hear, that's a good show. Yeah, you know, I
haven't really seen it since I was a kid. It's
like kind of a haze. I just remember that's Delta Burke, right,

(36:13):
I think so? Yeah, I don't know. I remember I
had like a line of clothing at Kmart and I
thought that was like peak fashion. I still actively wear
a lot of Like I got really into the Miley
Cyrus Walmart line in high school because it was like
trendy but also affordable. And I still have a lot
of Miley tanks. How many pieces do you have? I

(36:35):
have like from the Miley collection and saying I still
rotate out three or four just basic tanks. Wait, it's
like that, whatever Camies, what happened to all the Camees?
Where did they go? We need we need a Camey cameo,

(36:59):
oh no, what a horrible joke. Okay, um, remember that
scene where Posh is talking to a person who I
don't know who it is, and she's like, what do
you how do you feel about ment to raise? And
she is like, I think he's great. I'm wearing it
mental ray shoes right now. Some of my other favorite jokes,

(37:19):
because I just had to write them down and I
must share them with you now is Deborah and Clifford
or in a bar and Deborah is like, famous, such
a fickle thing. And then she orders a drink from
the bartender and he turns around and it's Elvis Costello
and then she goes, just a minute, can you make
that a double? This avie is so funny, It's really funny.

(37:43):
It was nominated for literally every Razzie possible, but I
don't even win. I don't think that they Yeah, what
move didn't win for being the worst? It didn't even
it didn't even win for being um Ebert's least favorite.
That distinction ended up going to Armageddon. Oh that's he
does suck, So yeah, my mom was so horny for

(38:06):
that movie for sure. My dad kind of low key crying.
He cried during Like, there's two movies where I remember
as a kid my dad cried. One is Arming Adam
and the other is Adam Sandler's big Daddy in the
courtroom scene that is kind of a sad scene. My
mom gave me romantic advice ones based off of Adam

(38:30):
Sandler's Click for real. I was going through a dark
hour of the soul. I forget which one, but it
was a couple of years ago, and she was just like,
maybe it's kind of like and I saw this movie
recently called Click, because she said it like I didn't
know what it was. I saw this movie recently called Click,

(38:50):
and there's a part at the end where he's talking
to his father and like he wishes there were so
many things that he had said and then he didn't
and then he lives, Like you can't really go back.
You can't really just rewind as like, Mom, thank you
so much. There's not really a remote control on your life.

(39:16):
That's a good point that Jamie. I never thought of
that before. I didn't realize. My mom had a similar
epiphany with Queen Latifa's last holiday. She was like, you
gotta live in the now. You're so worried all the time, honey,
is that the one where she thinks she's dying she

(39:36):
gets like a weird cat scan or am I travels
the world or something? Is Steve Martin and that one
there's there's that down the house. God, there's such a
weird stretch of Steve Martin movies and the odds where
like I'll be in a movie with anybody, a bunch
of dogs, a bunch of babies, anything, ones, I could

(40:00):
bring my banjo on set. Steve. Okay, Steve Martin, he
should have been in this movie. Needs to stop playing
the banjo. I'm calling him out and saying he's in
a classy way. I'm like, so over. I saw him
play the banjo on Accident a couple of years ago,

(40:20):
and I was just like, yeah, I was well. I
was working in radio at the time, and he and
they were like, we have a surprise guest. I'm like, oh, cool,
maybe it'll be someone that I like, and and then
it was like Steve Martin. I was like, I love
Steve Martin's comedy. And then they're like, but tonight he's
just playing in the banjo. I was like, fuck off,

(40:41):
Like what are you? How did some monkeys pot scenario.
They're like, hey, guys, great news. We have Steve Martin.
You know that I'm really good at this. Watch me
do something else, and like how just hold hold up?
His rep says he'll only come if he does the band.
He would only goddamnit, we need him that he'll only

(41:02):
play with I think he released an album with Paula
McCartney's ex wife. Steve Martin, you're unnoticed. They were in
the Hams. In the conversation struck up and you do
funny things only you make me laugh, you little monkey.
Put down the banjo. I don't want to read your novels.
I don't want to read your not I didn't read

(41:22):
shop Girl, though shop Girl is good. Then he wrote
that one about the art world. That's like sitting on
my shelf. I'm never going to read it. I'm never
going to read an object of beauty. I don't know
why I'm so mad at him for doing things that
aren't what I want him to do. Now you've awoken
something in me too. I've been really mad at him
for some time. I realized, and I hated this episode

(41:43):
of Spice World. He stuck about he had a he
had a really good memoir. But even that, now I'm
just like, well then do that, Like, yeah, Born Standing
Up is amazing. It's a great book. But it's also like,
why are you just go just are a joke man?
Why are you speaking in jokes? Can I share a

(42:04):
few more of mine? Spice? Thank you? I love I
like that Roger Moore. Every time you see him in
a scene, he's holding a different baby, animal or just
animal in general. There's the scene where I think you
see the Spice girls like rehearsing for the concert is

(42:26):
kind of early on, and someone goes, that's absolutely perfect
without it actually being any good, an amazing line. I
wish I had written that that's a great summation of
the Spice without being good at all. Clifford at one
point says, oh, it's when they want to go and
like play around on the boat, and he's like, if

(42:46):
they wanted to be spontaneous, they need to clear it
with me. First funny line. Funny, it's great and the
movie is full of these. It's a fucking funny movie
out don't tell me otherwise. And if you like this movie,
or if you don't, I still recommend a similar movie
called Josie and the Pussycat. The Pussycats is amazing good. Yeah,

(43:09):
sorry for that voice, I think, Yeah, I think you're
really talking about the cheeseburst. Let the listener overdose in
the bathroom. I can't, I can't do this. Jamie just

(43:30):
pulled a half eaten cheeseburger out of some spoil from
like full two and a half hours. Oh man, alright,
choking on that. I'm going to say a few other
things that I wanted to mention. I liked it. None
of the drama in this movie derives from issues between

(43:53):
the band or like with the girls themselves, because like
a very common like trope or just an easy direction.
They could have taken this in as, oh, they're not
getting along, they're mad at each other, but they're never
like They're always like on the same page. They're always
getting along, which hey, maybe that doesn't make for a
great movie with a central conflict. I don't know, but

(44:14):
I just like that because often if you have like
a group of women, you see them on the screen
portrayed as being they're in competition with each other, and
Caddy and Petty towards each other very is so noncompetitive
to the point where it's just like they're all the
same person, Like they're all the same dumb person to

(44:35):
the point where it's like, oh yeah, even though these
male antagonists are I mean, that's the only reason they exist.
And that's also unfortunately true in real life where that
guy named Simon who's not Simon Cowell but no Simon
Cowell that created the X factor, uh like created the
Spice Girls and his weird sex lab or whatever, and

(44:58):
you know, and I think it is funny that, like
we are to believe in the mythology of this movie
that the Spice Girls have known each other since childhood
and they used to hang out in the cafe when
they were waiting full record deal different ages and like
creations of science basically like did you know the Spice
Girls literally had to go to like camp to become

(45:19):
the Spice Girls, Like there was a there was a
re education camp. It was like a definite full brainwash,
like they're not I mean, not that dramatic, but they
went to fucking camp to become popster, which also happens
in Korea. And it's really interesting and there's a really
good show about it on Netflix. I'll tell you about
Oh yeah, it is really good. It's really good. Yeah,

(45:40):
that's that was like a nineties thing that's like still happening.
It's still happening in Korea, and it's they rotate them
out by your It's very weird, but also like what
an amazing gift. Yeah, but like I agree, Citland, I
like I kind of like that they weren't in competition
with each other and that there wasn't like every other
Muppets movie where they all have to break up and

(46:02):
come together. That part is always really sad. I hate
when the Muppets break up and I have to come
back together. There's a lot. It takes up a lot
of the end of the second age the Cheetah Girls too,
not the Cheetah Girls to the one where they go
to Barcelona, the Cheetah Girls as well. Right, Yeah, I

(46:23):
mean in this movie, they don't really break up, but
they all kind of like go off and separate, but
not because they're having like an internal conflict, but because
they're at the mercy of other people demanding this schedule
of them, and they're like, I don't know if I
want to do that. We just want all we want
is to just be able to respect ourselves and and
hang out with our friends, especially when they're about to
have a baby. Yeah, I like that they take her.

(46:46):
They take Nicola, the pregnant friend to the discotheque. And
also I guess it's a gay bar. It's like it's
like there's a lot of drag queens there and they're
just like also just mess shirts and like go go stop,
bring backsh already. I love Mesh. We're ready. Like it's
hard to find sometimes, I thought like it would be

(47:07):
cool to own more Mesh. Let's go to eBay where
we gonna find it. Yeah, it's hard to get those
laundry bags and just cut some holes. Good idea. We're
just like bast just where I bought a basketball penny
once to wear under overalls. So just like maybe the
most the poorest fashion choices I've ever made. But I

(47:29):
was like, I'm at Bonnaroo, I'm going to get a
Mesh shirt. And overall George's that is very There's some
there's some great pictures of me in front of mushroom
fountains wearing this brilliant outfit created at the Walmart across
the street from Bonaroo. Please tell me I'd read the

(47:50):
novel of Walmart across the street from Bao. What is
it like working there for one week out of the year, Well,
Spice World. Does anyone have any other thoughts about the movie?
I still love it that scene where they like flashback
to like their early days, would want to be there,

(48:12):
like singing along to their own song in that cafe.
I got legitmate nostal check about it. I'm kind of
missing about it right now. And then I was like, oh, ship, yeah,
I do have a connection to this movie. It's not
just like a weird memory I have. What was I
gonna say about Spice Cross. Oh yeah, they're a product
of men, but they pretend to be empowered and they

(48:35):
sort of are. But are they just too stupid? Like
we don't there are a bunch of real science creations
they do. Women in stem created them? Who knows that?
But guy Simon created them? Yeah, I guess it's a
I mean it's this movie is so much fucking fun
and it could not have existed in like this other

(48:58):
than this span of ten days. Would it have made sense?
I love that when the bus makes the jump and
it clearly just switched just to like a miniature toy
set of a bus jumping from like it's so I
love those things. I still geek out over like the
practical effect gag. It's like and it's like surprisingly a

(49:20):
self aware movie. It is it realizes there's a problem,
but they have no intention to fix it. So here's
some goofs right right, there's Spice Girls songs, Like, here's
a lot of like Spice Girls B side songs. And
also I wanted to say that that there's such a
seventies vibe to this whole movie, especially in the opening

(49:42):
segment where it's like, you know but and I guess
the reason that is or like part of the reason
that was sort of amped up in post production was
because this is the same year that Austin Powers came out.
That's right. So the seventies were hot and a mess.
It was like seventies should never be in fashion, and

(50:04):
there it was a gross decade. I thought I was there.
I should know. First of all, I just want to
apologize to our listeners for our bad attempts at British accents.
Number one, sorry, number two, sorry number two. I want
to shout out my good friend British Martha, whom I

(50:25):
call it British Martha to her face, Sorry Marsha, Martha,
what not the whatly? We're so sorry, so so sorry,
so sorry. And three were good feel like an east
End there's sporty spice she has like a Oh. Speaking

(50:47):
of British, Caitlin Durante went at a bar will order
a drink as if she were all over twist. The
other night we were in a par together. Thank you
said excuse me? Could I trouble you for a glass
of wine? And the bar the bartender or maybe it

(51:09):
was water water? Can I trouble you for some water?
It was Lisa, may I have some water? Like she
was asking for gruel. It was amazing. I always the
same thing, though, because these bartenders are super intimidating out here.
I just inhale, I go, well, can you please get

(51:29):
I always phrase it like that when I'm asking for
water because I'm not giving them any money. I'm probably
not even going to take them for a water. Maybe
I'm a bad person. I don't know, but I always
say can I trouble you for some water? Because I
know it's like an annoying thing and they're not going
to make any money off it. If I'm ordering an
actual drink, I say pizza. I want gin and tonic

(51:50):
and bloody blading. My father died of consumption and I
got full pen to give me some Jimmie Dodges. I
won't currently Wally. Oh, my uncle killed themselves after the
business went bused. There's a rubbish. There's a rubbish. There

(52:12):
is a rubbish. Cheese bacon has got off and you
gotta chuck it in the bin is what I need
to do apologize for. Yes, British Martha, I love you
so much. I miss you every day. She's still alive.
I don't know anyone British. Yeah, A moment of silence,

(52:37):
My British. The British people are normally acquaintances, so I
feel weird addressing, though I understand we count all the
uncle enough to have a British like a friend, like
a British friend, you know. Man. Anyway, let's talk about
whether or not the movie passes the Bechdel test. But

(52:58):
guess what it does, Like super does. I feel like
it's aggressively proving to you that it does, and every
second without saying it, because I don't think I think
this predates the beck they'll test by like a couple
of years. I think late nineties. I don't know exactly
the same. Yeah, I'm not sure when I brought Yeah.

(53:19):
In most scenes, I would say that at least the
girls are in they are talking to each other about
not a man. In fact, there's a scene where Alan Cumming,
who is making the documentary about them, is sort of
interviewing them and he's like, do you have any time
for boys? And Sporty goes boys doesn't ring a bell,

(53:40):
and then Scary says, with boys, you should just be
able to wheel them in. And then they're there and
that's it. And then Baby says yeah, and order them
like a pizza, and Posh is like, yeah, I'll have
a deep pen six foot green eye paralleaf It like
there there's an opportunity for them to be talking about men,
and they're just making of it. They're like boys growth

(54:02):
and there's no and like and and this sort of
factors into like the weird portrayal of motherhood in this movie,
where they're so happy for their friend, but then they
picture motherhood is being kind of gross and unappealing and
like as a robbery of their independence. And I think
that that sort of extends to their attitude towards men
of like they view relationships and men is sort of

(54:24):
a way of robbing their independence, which is interesting for
scientific aliens created by name Simon. It's complicated also that
the Betel test was first introduced in eighty five, but
it wasn't like popularly referenced until maybe early two thousands, right,

(54:45):
that was that was thirty years or more ago. Yeah,
if you haven't read it, dikes to watch out for.
It's very good comic and there they are collected and
you should read them. Yeah, oh my god, it's just
like so filtered through the male gaze at there's so
many opportunities that they create to talk about it and said,
it's just like they talk about looks again, and they

(55:06):
don't really talk about like the system itself. So it's frustrating.
It's like, yeah, it's a lot of girls just being
girls and there's fluffy fun happening, but there's a lot
of like real stuff that they could talk about the
very ignoring So as an adult, that's very unsatisfying. It's
very like watered down quote unquote feminism absolutely like the

(55:28):
most water done. It could be very sexy, like yeah,
and there's that scene where I think it's posh is
like I had I had a nightmare that I had
a head but there was no makeup on it, and
everyone's like disgust, like yeah, and that her I like
legitimately felt bad when I want and I was like,

(55:48):
oh no, I should go my lip glass. Don't fall
into their trap. That's what they want you to do.
Here's the thing. I bought a lip glass. Sorry, it
was a wet and wild. It was a wet wild,
a false alarm. It was a wet wild. That's my

(56:11):
nickname from my vagina. Min'd still the sand lot mine.
I was going to say in our sand lat episode
was the cave from Aladdin. That's the don't touch anything
it laps and then you'll be trapped inside and you'll

(56:31):
have to wish your way out. That's exactly how it were.
Do you have a genie living in your uters? Because
that one. Yeah, but it doesn't work for me. It
works for whoever's trapped in there, right, But at the
end you have to wish him free. And then I
clim X when you wish the genie free, Only then
can I come a true act of altruism where I

(56:54):
killed myself is oh anyway, yeah, the movie again, you know,
they're talking to each other, oftentimes about fashion or scopes

(57:18):
or other not important things. There's no grade level here.
It's past fail because it's like a D like honestly,
but past fail, so it passes. Hey, speaking of grades,
we rate the movie based on its portrayal of the
women in the movie. We have a nipple scale zero

(57:41):
to five nipples. We can describe those nipples if we
so choose. I'm really thinking about this, Um, I think
I'm going to give it like a two and a
half nipples. Okay, yeah, for a moment I thought three,
but it's like a little too high. The movie doesn't
make sense, let's be honest. But okay, So, like one

(58:01):
of them is like a little baby nipple, like really
it's like a very like it's like the size of
a quarter and it's really pink. And then the other
is like like a classic nipple, like a little brown
protrudes a little bit. Yeah, and the half nipple is
like one with a really like large areola. Good good, Yeah,

(58:23):
I'll give it two and a half as well. I think, yeah,
it's a I wouldn't even say that this movie's heart
is in the right place, because I don't think it
has a hard Is it in the right place? Um?
But I you know, I think it made little girls
feel good even when they didn't realize it was probably

(58:44):
hurting them a little bit. So it's a it's a
tricky gray area where it's like I'm never gonna discredit
like go palette, like that's a great phrase. But also
when you're being pedaled merch the whole time time, it's like, well,
that said, the movie has been forgotten and doesn't make
any sense. So at the end of the day, who

(59:08):
you know who am I? I am just a cyborg
created by a man named Simon, So I don't really
know what I'm saying at all. You are about a hologram.
I am a hologram. I'm a hologram some some never mind,
please buy my sound chat. Yeah, I'm gonna give it.

(59:30):
I guess two nipples. Two and a half of my
nipples are Alan Cummings. You know, Alan Cumming has like
an extra an extra half pocket. It's in my pocket. Yeah,
I would give it to nipples. Although a thing I
wanted to say that I did before is that oftentimes
in a comedy movie, a lot of the funny lines

(59:53):
are being delivered by not women. So I like that
the women in this movie have a bunch of funny
scenes and lines and jokes. At some point, I agree,
even if they didn't write them themselves, right, who knows
trues it to deliver a joke. Movie was written by
a woman named Kim Fuller, plus two other people who

(01:00:18):
have received three cents and royalties every time the movie
airs on free Form, which is a legal stream. That
I found was something that had been aired on free form,
So shout out to my free form heads out there.
I've never watched freeform. Right, you can take this part out.
This is bad. This is about networking. I'm going to

(01:00:40):
get blackall industry between like actually and Mary Kate movie.
I don't want to. I don't want to start freeform beef.
I can't afform more beef in my life. That's a
thick slab off. I don't have any more room, all right, good,

(01:01:02):
good good. That's where I keep all my conflict and
also my beef. Men. Yeah, two nipples. I'll give it again.
Any mention of like feminism and girl power and stuff

(01:01:24):
like that is very watered down. It's not really substantiated
by anything. Even so, it's a it's a fun movie.
Um it's like we said, doesn't make any sense. I
don't really mind that, even though I do have a
master's degree in screenwriting, which I hate to bring up,
but um, that does it. It's still it's a it's

(01:01:47):
a fun watch. I'd recommend it if you just want
like some kind of mindless fun. That and again, Josie
and the Pussycats love that movie. I like Josie a lot.
That's a really good movie. The nipples belong to that.
That that's a good one. He loves snips, love snips

(01:02:08):
at the bast rally her beef. You have your beef?
Are you gonna get your beef? Girl? No one has
ever specified weather meat loafs made of beef or like
some other meat processed. Yeah. I feel like he's a
combo of something. He's like a bunch of hand sandwich

(01:02:31):
is putting a blender. Oh man, that's a really good album.
Me and my dad used to listen to it in
the car. There's a song about making out at the movies,
and then my dad and I would make you would
like I like that. Mike's her lemonade. I like the

(01:02:51):
meat Loaf in the movie says I would do anything
for those girls, but I won't do that talking about
fixing the bathrooms, and I did not trees it's so healthy.
I did not know that that was meat Loaf until
I was watching the credits. Meat Loaf as Benny the
Best Driver, such a talented act. Like I know that

(01:03:12):
that sounds like a hilarious joke, but he's really good
and rocky horror. He does his best with what he's
given in Spice World, and he's really good in Fight Club.
Beat Loaf is a great actor. Don't remembering he's in
the support group. He's like the bigger he's the beefcake.
Oh my god. I also he brings the beef in

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Fight Club. He should have been in the Wrestler. He
should have been one of the like down and out
wrestlers in that. Yeah, Mickey work didn't deserve a comeback.
Give meat Loaf back revisionist history. If he had gotten
into the wrestler, that could have been like a whole resurgence.
He wouldn't have to be on the Celebrity Apprentice's I
need to find him. I could fix him. I could
Fix Me Podcast? Where's he a? Let me at him?

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Missing neat loof mydcast. He's old. Oh it might be
too late to fix him. He's sixty nine. Oh shit,
perfect age. It's true. It's way older than I thought
he was. Like I was ten years off. I know.
I was like, he's the horny age baby. Hey, Amanda,

(01:04:20):
where can people find online? I forgot what you're doing
a podcast? I think we all Yeah, okay, great, I
had these totems and everything. I'm looking at these dolls.
I'm forgetting where I am like, Yeah, this is I'm
spinning my sporty spy still new and box still im back?

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Oh no, it is it going to tip over or not?
And then Juno's in it too black those credits we
don't see whether it's lands or not. What a film?
Just kidding. It's fine. You can find I'm at a

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what do you want to plug anything? I'd like to plug.
I'm working on a project right now, and it's like
I still can't really talk about it that much, but

(01:05:49):
it is in relation to Meet Love's come back, so
I'm also involved in this. I can't like. Yeah, we
are all very and like Aristotle's kind of in charge
of it. But anyways, you know, as we know Bat
out of Hell, Bad at of Hell, to Back to Hell,
which is also an album, and also apparently Bad out
of Hell three, the monster is loose. So right now

(01:06:12):
we're we're going on Bad at Hell four, back to
back into Hell, and we're calling back to bat Hell
too because that was our favorite bat at of Hell.
But if it's there and back again, a back to
Hell story, back to Hell story of the Bat out
of Hell right and we're doing him in time for
meat Loaf's seventieth birthday this year, we're gonna We're gonna

(01:06:34):
do a rush order and then I'm going to write
him an indie sleeper um that people won't see but
when he dies, so I'll be like, hey, that was
pretty good. Yeah. I'm also I'm producing the motion comic
that ties into the movie. Anyway, if you want to
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you can follow me at Caitlin Durante okay. Um. Hey. Also,
if you're on the Los Angeles area, you can come
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at Nerd Melts first Friday of the month. Also, we
just want to thank you so much for being here.
It's been a blast. What a fun episode. I had

(01:07:17):
a lot of fun here, you guys. This was one
of our wilder episodes. I love when we just get
loose and celebrate. Up. Pala girl, Pala. Sorry I messed
up the inflection. We all have done a very bad
job with the British act. At the end of this podcast,
we're all going to go out and shop for a
lip shaped couch and we're gonna get on it together

(01:07:38):
and talk about astrology. I'm going to get a swing
to put in my bus. I love on the doors
to their bus it said max capacity five girls. I
love that. Oh my god, it's very Do you think
that Aristotle will get a presidential Medal of Honor someday
for sitting? Yes? I think he's going to get like

(01:08:00):
a purple heart too, just because like it's the emotional
damage that we're inflicting upon him, is it's like combat's
enduring him, if not worse. Alright, well, it's been great.
It's been a groovy baby. That was Austin Powers until

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next time. Goodbye bye, goodbye, bye bye bye bye. Could
I trouble you? FISTI water