December 15, 2016 • 46 mins
Rebel scum Caitlin and Jamie invite comedian Sam Jay to talk about Star Wars and how there are less than five women in the whole galaxy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies
have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends
and husbands, or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef
in best start changing it with the Bechtel Cast. Hello
and welcome to the Bechtel Cast. I'm your host Caitlin
Darante and your other host, Jamie Loftus, is en route
(00:23):
and en route how do you say it? I don't
know because she's stuck in traffic and we have to
get started because our guest here has somewhere else to
go soon. So just a quick recap of what this
podcast is all about. Um. It's inspired by the Bechtel test,
which is an analysis of narrative works, books, movies, things
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like that, where we discover whether or not there are
more than two women, If so, do those two female
characters talk to each other? And if so, is it
about something other than a man. We take a movie,
different movie every week, we talked about it, We bring
a guest, and we discuss it's female characters. So, without
much further ado, let me introduce our guests for this week.
(01:04):
Sam Jay. She's a comic and she's great and we
love her. Hey, what's thanks for being here? Um, yeah,
I'm glad to be here. Is gonna be fun. You're
talking about one of my favorite movies. Tell us, tell
us the movie New Hope Star Wars episode for Yeah,
what does this movie mean to you? I mean, I'm
a big Star Wars fan and I f like, uh A,
(01:25):
New Hope was just the first one I ever saw it, Like,
I watched him in order when I was maybe like
seven with my mom. The New Hope was the first
one I saw it. It made me follow the story,
and I'm a pretty much I'm a door for like
stuff that sets up the story. I like that. I
like those those movies that kind of give me all
the players, you know what I mean. And it's one
of those that kind of gives you all the players
(01:46):
and why it is and what it is and it's
so it's just one of my favorites. Yeah, it just
introduces you to the world that I've I've been into
ever since. Yeah, this is a tangent, But you revealed
to me that your favorite Star Wars movie is episode three,
(02:08):
and I decided to disown you as a friend for
few days after learning that. But we're back We're back,
as friends said, was the best one. Yeah, yeah it is.
It's just dope. It's just dope from getting in the
end you get it's I mean like I silow, I
love a thing that kind of puts puts the end
(02:29):
of the beginning on. So for me, it's like explains
all of it. Now you get all of it. You
get why Vaders Vader? You get you get all luka
la coming from. All the pieces are now finally together.
How openI wan Invader's relationship you know parted ways? Like
what how did it head that? Why is he in
that suit? Now we know like all questions are answered
(02:51):
and it's but you wouldn't appreciate that. How do you
already not known like all the information from episodes four right,
but it's still it still gave you. Buddy's turned to
y'allold just turn Anakin's turn want It's like everybody's turning up.
It's full turn up in Yeah, in the original trilogy,
everyone's like old yeah, Like you get to see Yoda,
(03:11):
like really will the lifesaber and like there was so
many gangster parts, like when the clones all turning and
Yoda was standing there, which you Bok with the two
eas and then there was like the little uh not
Stone Troopers, but the other clothes, the Clones whatever they are,
those little robots and they were about to like turn Yoda,
and Yoda just jumped behind them and cut their head off,
and it was like, all right, let's roll, Like come on,
(03:33):
I'm Yoda, Like really you thought I was gonna do
that to me? Like that's crazy? He just dipped. That
was It was dope. So many dope parts in that movie. Yeah,
I guess I revisited. It's so good if you insist
it's great. So normally I do at no one's request
but my own a recap of the story. But we
(03:54):
were hanging out the other day and you gave me
a synopsis of the movie Roadhouse, which I was familiar with,
and you did such a great job that I was
wondering if you would want to do the recap for
a New Hope. All right, so I watched a Love
Star Wars, so they kind of like bleeding Yeah, so
you're just chiming and I might need you on the
(04:15):
strong ending. But from what I call you know, the
New Hope is our introduction to a young Loop Skywalker
he's on a tattoo which is just like a desert planet,
and he's like, man, this ship is boring, like tattoo
black as fuck, but it's on his uncle like you
gotta stay here, y'all because like we got rhubob season
coming up and we need you for that harvest. And
(04:36):
he's like, but there's a whole life out here off tattooing.
I'm just trying to be like a real nigger and
they're like nah. So then like robot shows up, like yo,
oh ship, this is a random mass robot. It looks
like what the hell? And then he touched robot and
it's a message from a hot bitch that's like mad flies.
So she's like, yo, I'm mad sexy and I'm asta
stuck and he's like I'm gonna save this chick because
(04:57):
i ain't got nothing else to do, and yeah. Yeah.
So that brings us to about twenty minutes into then
he's like, so he meets Obi Wan. Yeah, he beats
Obi Wan and he's like everyone's like creeping around and
he's like, who's this old crazy dude? And his aunt
and his uncle know was obi Wan day? Like No,
he's just a crazy old dude. They't been what we
(05:19):
want to start to like being like, yo, man, I
know you feel it like this places whack, you should
be not at this place, and looks like, yo, you're crazy,
but you making somebsense to me, you know what I mean?
And so then everyone was like, yeah, I'm just tell
you real, bro, like Jedies is real. I'm one of
them niggas. I could teach you how to be one
of them niggas because you've got the forcing you money in.
And then looks like I'm down for that because this
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board is hell and I don't want to be picking
rubobs my whole life. And then they go. So they
go to most Nicely and they meet because the uh
we forgot to mention the Empire, and there after the
two droids that have come into Luke's possession to escape.
So then they go and meet Han Solo and Youka,
so yeah they did. They had a bounce because the
(06:03):
Empire they always losing droids. They're always losing their droids
with information and stuff. So they capture some Georys lost
some Joys, and Joys have vital information. They're trying to
get the Joys back. Luke gets a possession of joys.
They got a bounce so over once like we got
to dip dip dive or we want still feels the
force and stuff like they move and shaking bumping a
Han Solo and Chewbacca. Han Solo is like a bad
(06:26):
as Galaxy like pirate like smuggles smuggler like bootlegger type dude.
So he's making all types of bare looking nerve hurder.
But that's just me, all right, I would say, Yeah,
he's like a bootlegger of the galaxy. You know, theyking
making slime deals, moving illegal contrabands around in the millennial
(06:47):
millennial falcon with Chewbacca, you know what I'm saying, and
looking them hook up and they just distracted Tons Solo
from like his real naked task, you know what I mean.
He's like, I'm not really here for all that. I
just like to get money and fus y'all got me
and all his other stuff, right, So they mean they
link up with him and then but they get captured
by the death Star. Yeah, doesn't like catching them and
(07:08):
a little a little little like the rain their beam
of control control. So then they have to like be
all sneaky and they managed to like evade the like
the stormtroopers for a hot minute, and then they beat
some of them up. They do the old switcher. They
put the store and trooper suits on because like that's
(07:28):
how you break into stuff, and then they get up
in there like yo, we would, y'all. But then when
they get up in then they take their homes off
like now we us. And then they go and rescue
Princess Leah up out of that ship like, yo, girl,
we knew he was up in hand. We came to
get you. And Hans like, wait a minute, she's bad.
I'm kind of glad I came on this trip. Yeah,
but so it's Luke. It was like, oh I like
her too. It was like I got a voted for
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they both go. They got and then so they managed
to escape after some ruffles and scuffles, but not before
there's a face off between Obi Wan and Darth Vader. Yes,
and that's the that's the apprentice and the teacher getting
it back on since we want to cut off all
his limbs is stuff. If he's like, now I'm super ill,
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obi Wan, and I'm definitely gonna kill you because like
I got so much anger towards you by man, and
everyone's like, I know you're gonna kill me. That's how
ill I am in the Force. Then I'm just chilling, bro,
I'm ready to die. Baby. Then they go at it.
He kills really kind of just lets it happen. And
then he wants like, now I'm super dupid ill with
the Force because I'm am the Force. He's a forced ghost,
(08:32):
which we learn you see you're like, here's like voice over.
He's like ghost voiceover later in the movie. But then
you see his like ghost form. Yeah. So then, uh,
Luke is all sad about it, even though he knew
Obi Wan for maybe a day, like two days, but
we won't put him on a lot, so that's reasonable
that he was hurt by it. So and then plus
(08:54):
like Luke's just like Yo, Vader is not a good dude.
Like he's just out heads thatching up hose off the galaxy.
Now he just killed on my man's He's doing a
lot of reckless stuff. Yeah. So then they regroup and
they go to a rebel base and they like analyze
the plans to destroy the Death Star. Meanwhile, Han, it's
all like I was listening this for the money I
got my money, I got my reward, peace out, see
(09:16):
you later. And then Luke and some other pilots go
and try to destroy the death Star and they do
right they do, and then I said, and they blow
it up. Han comes back and he's like just kidding him, back,
I've got a heart of gold. He's I can't leave.
I can't leave a heaven left, which is the same thing.
And um, this episode seven friends come out, I can't
(09:40):
be here. I gotta leave because these people they just like, no,
I can't leave my boot. Hang out with my boot.
And that's why Hans kind of his medt to it,
because Hans like, I used to try to leave my
host too. But I'm gonna tell you I did not
do that, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, because you're
not a Jedi doesn't mean you can't train other people
to do. It's really fitting in the same position as Hunt.
(10:01):
He's not a Jedi either. He's just rolling with it.
He's just rolling, you know what I'm saying. So he's
kind of the same character, just in a different form.
So that's why it's kind of like bringing on his tutelage,
you know what I mean. Yep, I got you so
that's pretty much the Star. And then they blow up
the Death Star and then there's a little ceremony at
the end with that T shirt and they yeah, they do,
they blow it up. And that's when like, now Vader
(10:23):
has to like recognize like, y'all the forces with the forces,
this disruption of force and the and the life side
of forces, you know, coming back, and that the Jedi
may return. Oh shit, but there's a whole movie in
between that and the Jedi returning Empire. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
(10:45):
but we're not here. We're not We're going. Yeah, we're
gonna focus on a new hope. We're talking about this
to sort of coincide with the release of Rogue one,
which is coming out soon. So we're gonna talk about
the female characters, of which there are two ones with
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speaking roles. And then I don't know if anyone else
noticed this. I didn't notice this until this recent viewing.
There are two women in the Cantina scene when they're
at most easily trying to get on the Millennium falcon.
Are we counting alien women as well? Well? It's hard
since we're not familiar with those alien species, it's hard
(11:27):
to tell some of them got titties though, so you know,
oh yeah, well yeah they do in Return of the
Jedi for sure. In fact, some of them had more
than two titties. Some of them had like Nate. But
in a New Hope, you only see in that cantina
seem there's a like a pair of twins women who
(11:50):
are just hanging out getting drink or whatever. Other than that,
there is Princess Leia, and there's Aunt Brew and Brew
has maybe five minutes of screen. Yeah, She's like, you
don't need to know anything about your life, Luke. That's
more his uncle, so Brew is. She kind of stays
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silent until the end of that scene where Luke kind
of storms off. He's like, what you're making me stay
on for another season? I want to go to the
academy this year. Me me. His uncle is all like whatever,
I'll make it up to him next year, and she's like,
you're fucking idiot. He has too much of his father. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's actually she's pro let him go. Yeah, that's right.
(12:36):
You all messed up. So that's pretty cool. But yeah,
like and then the next scene time we see her,
she's a burnt up corpse. That's like all fried and sizzled. Yeah, yeah,
she has very little got that work. So the most
notable female character is our friend Princess Leah. She's actually
introduced really early on in the story. We meet her
(12:57):
before we get Skywalker. No, even before that. There's a
scene the first sequence we see is the like Imperial
troops boarding I don't even know which ship they're on
or whatever, but like, uh, Darth Vader. I almost hesitated
to do an episode about Star Wars because there's gonna
be so many nerds listening at home and being like, oh,
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the name of the ship is this, and it's this
model and this they're on this planet, blah blah blah,
and I know what happened. I only know the Star
Wars information I have is what has been in episodes
one through seven. I haven't read any comic books. I
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don't know anything that's cannon that has been established through
like we're fans. Yeah exactly. Sometimes I have sex very
very not just watching, not very often, not very often
at all, but often enough where I don't have time
to read busy so anyway, so I only know like
(14:05):
the names of the planets that are mentioned in the movie. Yeah, yeah,
I'm not all into I know what's going on, and
I'm into the story of it, the battle vers and
evil and the idea of you being in control of
your energies and your destiny and all that good stuff,
but I don't get down to all the like nay
gritty details. So apologies to all the uber fans out there. Sorry,
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I'm probably not gonna like get all the names right
everything anyway. So they're they're boarding the ship and Darth
Vader busting. He's like, oh, you're a rebel spot She's like,
I'm on a diplomatic mission to all. Yeah, that's you're
a rebel spy and your piece of ship have come fight.
And then I think that's when he takes her prisoner's again.
(14:47):
We learned though that she's like able to wield a
gun though, because and then she runs away and they're like, fusers,
just done or whatever, and then they stun her and
then they take her prisoner so that she does not
appear on screen again, I don't think until fifty four
minutes into and we're not talking about via Holograu, so yeah,
(15:08):
technically she's on screen when she's Okay. Our other host,
Jamie lock welcome, How are you my hamsters in? Safe
and good? Oh yeah, you had to drop off your
hamster for hamster sitting because you're going back out of
town expectedly long hamster errand yeah, well I had to
(15:29):
make small talk with the hamster city, like I can't
just be like, here's my animals, see you in a week.
But oh sure, sure you're a good person. I'm just
a bad driver. Mostly we're good. We've been um, we've
been chatting Star Wars good. So yeah, we were just
we recapped the movie and we were just starting to
(15:50):
introduce who the female characters were. We uh, there are
a total of I think for them that I counted
that you can see on screen. Only two of them
have speaking roles. And we were just talking about Princess Leiah.
We meet her early on and then we see her
again as a hologram, and that's when Luke is all like,
who is she? She's beautiful? Do I know she's my sister?
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But man, do I want to fuck her? We've all
been there, We've in there. She's the most notable female
character in episode four, but there are huge chunks of
time where she is not on screen at all or
if she is, she's in the version of a hologram,
which means she's not really doing anything to influence the story.
She's like, he's like an exposition the machine, because what
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does she say, first, we only hearsay helped me. I'll
be one Kenobi, You're my only hope. And then a
little later on they play back the entire message, which
is like, I've stored information that's vital to the destruction
of the death Star into this droid. Help me obi
wan Kenobi. Yeah, she's a plot tool. Yeah, at least
in the first act. She appears on screen again, not until,
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like I said, fifty four minutes into the movie, because
there's a huge gap where like Luke and Han or
like figuring shut out. She shows up again, and I
think like the Empire is interrogating her, trying to figure
out where the rebel bases, and she's like d'antoine and
they're like, okay, let's blow up all drawn anyway, Um,
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that seems pretty short, and then she disappears again for
another several minutes and doesn't show up again until an
hour and thirteen minutes into the story. Mind you, this
is only a two hour film and that's when that's three. Yeah,
so this is like their for their third time on
screen an hour and thir minutes into it, and that's
when Luke goes to rescue her in the detention cell
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that she's being held captain him. So an instance of
a man having to save a woman, one of those
really fun tropes. She joins the gang after that, she's
like part of the Little Scooby Crew and we see
her do some pretty bad ass things, but she's pretty
she's pretty raged. The end kind of redeems her a
(18:04):
little bit because she gets to actually do stuff. For example,
after they've rescued her, the stormtroopers are shooting at them
and she's like, well, you didn't have a get out?
What the And then so she like takes putters into
her own hands and she's like, oh, this is some rescue.
She grabs Luke's blaster fire, she shoots a hole in
(18:30):
the wall. Somebody has to save our skins. It doesn't
make a door come down, and she just blasted. She
dives in. She goes into the garbage shoot boy. She
says to han Clo, which is great, and then everyone
dives in and then they end up in a thing
with the trash. And then when they're in there, the
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walls whenever women take charts, they mucket all as we
are conditioned to believe via mainstream American cinema. And there's
a line of dialogue about that, but I'll get to
that in a second. So then they all land in
the trash compactor and then the walls start closing in
on them, and Lucas just like, dude, the walls are
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moving and she's like, don't just stand there, bracelet with something.
So she was like taking initiative. She's like because she's
been through stuff though, I mean, that would make sense.
Like Luke doesn't know anything. He's just coming from Tatoy.
He's like fresh off the boats. Like he just he
just trying to get it popping, you know what I mean.
She like, she's been through some stuff. She's hiding secrets,
she's stolen stuff. She she goes up a little bit.
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She does, she does for sure. Then there's a line
of dialogue that I never picked up on until this
most recent viewing this rewatch, where after they get out
of the trash compactor, Han says, well, if we can
avoid any more female advice, we ought to be able
to get out of here. Yeah, I was right because
what I was thinking as I was thinking, yeah, yeah,
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way to pick that up the only one who did
anything to like because she was moving irrationally. It didn't
give Han time to think of a better plan. Han
had no In fact, Han was either way, but she tried.
She she made an attempt. Yeah, but that was also
I think, like, I mean, of course it speaks to
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show it doesn't not that, But I also think it
was com Hans's character, like he could never be wrong
or not in charge. Sure, yeah, you know what I mean.
He would have said anything to anyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
exactly if it was Luke's I didn't, well, we could
afford dumb kid IBox like true. But what bugged me
about that was not just the line itself, but that
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like Leah wasn't like fuck you dude, she didn't have
a com back for Her comeback was to deny him
the pussy, Yeah, which is the ultimate. She was like me,
hanging at this box, keep talking like talking like that,
She's gonna go her brother. That's hurtful. You're like, I
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don't want to. You said, it's revenge. She made a
work harder for it. There's a couple of scenes later
they're trying to get across the bridge. They're still in
the Death Star. Luke is like doing crap. He's I
don't who knows what he's doing. The Stormtroopers are like
trying to get through the door on the other side.
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She takes the gun and starts like shooting people, and
she's a better shot than Han or Luke because everybody
misses everybody every time they shoot it somewhere like these
people have the worst aim. I was confused about that
because when I was like, does it not hurt if
you get hit by one of those? But I was like, oh,
they're just missing everybody. No one can It was like
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sucking paintballers. Which is hilarious because earlier in the movie,
Obi Wan's like, only Imperial Troopers are this precise because
they're talking about like the little they're not ewoks, they're
like the little dudes. At the beginning anyway, you're talking
about the precision of the fire blast, and he's like,
the only Stormtroopers are this precise. It's like, no, no
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one hits anybody ever. Yeah, it's dumb. Anyway, I'm just
the point. I'm trying to arrive at is that like
on a number of occasions, like Lea takes matters into
her own hands and it's like, oh, you're not getting
this done fast enough or well enough, then I'm going
to do ship. So I do like that, right, And
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it doesn't bother me that she sucks up the plants
of yeah, because it's like, I don't know, I always
feel weird when it's I feel like that's almost like
a trope in movies where it's like the one woman
in the scene is like, move aside, boys, I've got this,
you know, and then she fucking and she does yeah
exactly like changes like the fucking monster truck tire but
(22:54):
a negligent on her perfect and she's like, I know
what to do, and her nail and makes like a rope. Yeah.
And at the end, the guys like have their mouths
up and she's like, you know, that wasn't hard, was it? Yeah?
Oh yeah, yeah, No, it doesn't bother me at all
that she like she like put them into more of
a because that's what storytelling is, Like, Yeah, it just
(23:17):
felt it, Yeah, to get it right, Characters getting into
hi jinks, encountering obstacles, trying to figure out how to
overcome those obstacles. So yeah, like a character is going
to make a mistake and that's what storytelling is. So yeah,
Leiah takes initiative, she like takes action. She makes decisions
that influence the direction the story takes. So that's what
(23:39):
I like about her. And she's pretty good at hurling
insults too. She's like, get this walking carpet out of
my way. So she's a little firecracker she is. What
I'm trying to say is that I like Princess Leiah.
I think she's a pretty good character. The problem is
all of her relationships are like there, no, she has
(23:59):
no female relationships. She's the literally the only woman in
space and all the time because any scenes where there's
like a bunch of extras, if there's like pilots or rebels,
maybe there's some ladies stormtroopers we don't know, and all
on a cloud planet you say specifically for this movie,
but we're talking talking about um yeah, um. And there
(24:25):
was there was a question, Oh it's Chewy is he
maybe he's a she? Wrong? That's wrong? And also what
a fucking stretched is a second female? And also Chewy
couldn't pass the back Tilton, Well, I guess maybe. Well, yeah,
we don't really, Well, we don't know what he talks
about because we're talking about him. Man, he could be
(24:46):
talking about ice fishing. We don't know. We don't know,
we don't, but we do know that he is in
fact a male because if you recall the Star Wars
Christmas special that came out. I don't remember what ear
early eighties or late seven it's oh, it's so it's
about Chewie's family. He has a wife and three kids.
(25:09):
I think, And I don't remember what the story is. Yeah,
Like I like all this so hilariously bad. I mean
you should watch it. Just it's like, like is it
like like he's just like chilling with his family. I
think he's trying to get back home to his family.
They all speak that language, and that's just a long
show that no one he's like TOI and his wife
(25:36):
getting into this stuff. Luke is definitely in it. And
I want to say, like Mark Mark camill As, when
did this come out? Now? I'm excited, Yeah, I am
dB A can't it's so and I want to say
that I can't remember Harrison Ford as Han is in
it or not. It's a show. It was like a
(25:59):
made for TV movie. It's on YouTube, so oh yeah,
that is how I watched it. Okay, so it came
out right after because episode four was released in nine,
so that I love a weird hackey tie in my face.
Bottom line is Chewy as a man because he fucked
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his wife and had three babies. It might not be
and maybe not. He's away a lot with n she's
sucking some other strange wookie. Um. There's there's also a question,
Oh well, maybe the droids or women also know because
(26:44):
at least C three posts pretty clearly he's a feminist,
but he's and then he talks about and two are
too using like he him his pronouns. So one just
I am seeing that they just like reaper dudes like worms.
There's just like another guy that pops out of a guy,
(27:04):
because there's no other way. If it's just Luke's and Leah,
they can't fucking populate a galaxy. Right, Yeah, it's pretty
and like sure it's a movie about it's Star Wars.
There at war and it was a long time ago,
so back you know, in World War two, even back
(27:24):
when they're only men in the world, or at least
like men's soldiers. I don't know when women started being
soldiers in in the military, but maybe it's just since
they're all A lot of them are like militant, but
there's also a rebellion like a woman, like anyone can
join a rebellion. It is supposed to know a long
(27:47):
time ago in a galaxy far it's the past, way
in the past, this fictional story that did never exist.
Maybe they were having like their own industrial revolution, you know,
was like always got it was the future, but like
a long time ago of like the beginning stories. I
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don't know what. Yeah, because it's the middle stories, I
thought it was a long time ago like two requels. Oh,
I mean those stories take place, but I just never
I never really, I always assumed it was the future. Yeah,
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the opening the title car that doesn't make any sense.
We don't have any of that stuff. We can't flower.
In fact, it might be long long No, it's a
long time ago in a galaxy far far away. So
it's just far away. But I think that's up. I'm
gonna go and say I think that's an up. And
I can't wrap my hat around this. Well, it's the truth.
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So yeah, back when women didn't exist except for one
of them. All right, well in that case, sure. Yeah.
And the other thing about Leia is that when she's
talked about in pop culture or just like any when
people talk about her, it's almost always in the context
of her slave La outfit. People like, oh, yeah, slave La,
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she's hot. I'd bang that. We don't talk about her accomplishments,
the fact that she's a diplomat, a politician, and a prince.
She led an army and she can fire a gun,
and she makes choices and sticks with them. We don't
talk about that, do we know? But it is a
good costume. She's got like the most insane abs ever,
(29:40):
Like it's not fair. Oh yeah, I do long to
have that. Okay, I'm objectifying her, But also, like I
thought about it, how does she do that? I mean
I objectify Han Solo on a pretty regular basis. So yeah,
like that, like young Harrison Ford, Yeah, what is wrong
with you? What do you mean? I want you to
get out side more? There? Mark, I couldn't be less
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on board with. Even when Harrison for was in that movie,
he looked like a dead there, like he wasn't hot dad,
but he was like a dead though. He wasn't like
giving you young sexy vibes. He wasn't maybe definitely give
me like dead maybe not. I don't know. He got
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kind of a later start to acting, so he was
already like thirty five ish, Yeah, yeah he was. He
looked dead ish. Yeah, that's dead. Even like when he
was like liking lay, I was like, you too old
for her, bro, I will say, you know what I mean,
like you all dude out here trying to trying to
scheme something young. Didn't Carrie Fisher say that she and
Harrison Ford like hooked up. Wasn't not like a reason?
Yeah that story? She was like a teenager? Was she sure?
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That's fucked um? In Hollywood? You could do that that
pain and pain into a long She was nineteen, he's
just four and this movie came out in seventies. She
was like, one, right, that's true for dad pain. Yeah,
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it's not for everyone. She's a consenting adult that anyway,
we statement retracted. That's the thing. There's so because she's
the only like notable female character, and I think there's
no female relationships for her to have. All the notable
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relationships are between men or a man and her. So
it's nice of you to car Oh my gosh, I
care so much because you've got like Luke and Obi Wan.
It's like the mentor mentee relationship. You've got Luke and Han,
which is like a budding friendship thing. You've got Han
and Chewi, which is like sidekick that that relationship is
(31:57):
more compelling than any relationship. Yeah, it's like, oh yeah,
Hans Solo and his fucking huge dog have a more
interesting storyline. Yeah, it's upsetting. And then her relationships are
basically she has one with Luke, which is that he
wants to suck her, and she has one with Han,
which is that he wants to suck her and also
(32:20):
this movie. But yeah, but he also wants to her.
But how that's the question he has that tail. I'm
sure there's plenty of like fan porn that would explain Polis,
but I'm not in the mood for that rabbit hole. No,
you might have like a whale dick, like it comes
out like over and just slimy dick underneath all that.
(32:50):
I think who knows that you have you ever seen blackfish? Yeah?
They jerked a whale off that was so necessarily Yeah,
I don't forget. Apparently we didn't need to see that, no,
and it didn't add to this story. Yea, what is
this yo? They're like, all right, let's get the stomach
turn and just think. Yeah, I haven't seen that movie
(33:11):
in a couple of years me either. Although apparently in nature,
when whales have sex there has to be a third
whale there to like prop up one of them while
like kinky, Yeah, there's a this is true. This is
you're just like, no, this is information that I gleaned
(33:32):
from a joke of a link on Mitra, a very
funny comic we all know. Check him out. He had
a joke about whales having sex and how there has
to be a third to like prop up the other
ones as they're sucking each other because there's no you're
you're suspended in water. There's like nothing, there's no like
headboard to brace yourself again. But they have dicks though,
(33:53):
that's true, that's so much. Sex is important in everything.
As we mentioned earlier, sometimes I do have it every
once in a while. So I think we can draw
and then draw the conclusion that the movie does not
pass the Bechdel test, not even not even close. A
few movies do it, and they like do the very
(34:14):
bare minimum of them. This one doesn't even try, does
not try at all. So funk this movie not I
mean I really like it. It's I've seen it, you know,
a dozen times or more, but only on this viewing
was I like, oh, wow, there's only one lady who
matters in this story. And I like, so, what do
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you think? It's like a thing where it's like, okay,
so that was just the time, you know, and like
how now you have like the female Ghostbusters movie, you
know what I mean, Like do you think and like
how they're trying to make a woman a lead in
these new Star Wars, you know what I mean. It's
like the time sucked because I feel like at the time,
probably no one had a second thought about that, Like
that was just for sure. Yeah, the Patriarch they I
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thought it was progressive because I was shooting in the
movie and she was doing were like, we are breaking
down bars the pitch meeting. We're going to have a movie.
But guess what we're gonna put a woman in. It
is very incest forward story, right boundaries being Yeah, he
was he was doing it all. Yeah, there's some Freudian
(35:22):
ship in there, because it's like like in episode seven,
Ray is the lead, the Protagon will call her short
for protagonists, an industry term. What movie still very barely
passes the Bechtel test. Really, I haven't seen that she
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has a very quick conversation with general requirements of this.
So the Bechtel test is that there has to be
two female characters in the movie that ideally both have names,
that talk about something other than a man in a conversation,
and that's all. That's all it is. Like, so even
if there's like something where two women talk about the
(36:06):
weather for two seconds, like, it technically passes. So it's
not hard to it's not hard. But most movies don't
pass it because in most cases, if there are even
two female characters who speak to each other, it's usually
about a male character or a man in the middle
or something. They're talking about a man devil wis product
(36:27):
the passes probably like mad they would talk about types
of right away. I love Man. It was such a
good movie so much. Only now I'm just seas I
think a movie like movies, it's not I mean, there's
what they talk they let the let he just talk
um not many sister yeah, yeah, sisterhood yeah probably. I
(36:53):
haven't seen The Fried Green Tomatoes you ever. I've seen it,
don't remember well enough to know if it passed through
the flesh, which is funny at the end. Oh almost
a joint with Adam Sandler in the Spanish Lady Spanglish
good one it passes. Yes, really, I haven't seen it.
(37:15):
I mean I could see her and our daughter. They
talk about just everything. They're able to list five movies.
There's a great uh, there's a great episode of Jane
the Virgin. I love Jane the Virgin is bad, but
it's a good show. But it's bad that I've seen
it so many times. But they have like a whole
storyline where the show is like actively trying to pass
(37:36):
the Bechdel Test all the time, and it almost never does.
But it becomes just a running joke that they're like,
it's three main female characters and they never ever passed
the test. They love those boys. I'm just shying thing
mad women. At some point. There's at least six ladies
(37:57):
in one of my favorite movies. Leah, Oh well, they
never talked to each other. Oh shit, okay, because one
of them is like living in the nineteen fifties or something,
and the other one is a contemporary. I assumed all
Meryl Street movies with past, but maybe not Sophie's choice.
I don't know. I don't remember that movie very well either. Um.
One of my favorite movies is Selman Louise, and that
(38:20):
passes absolutely. I'm trying to think of Florence Foster Jenkins passes.
I don't I've seen it, seen it twice. I think
I'm the only person who's ever seen Florence Foster Jenkins
at all. Oh is that the one that came out
pretty recently where she's like an opera singer but she's
back with the dude from the Big Bang Theories in it,
he plays the piano. I don't think it passes anyways.
(38:42):
It's a good movie. I like it cool. What is
it called floor? Florence Foster Jenkins? Check that out? So, yeah,
a new Hope falls back because it was no other lady. No, Yeah,
dang new Hope. Yeah, because some movies come close, it's like, oh, well,
at least two women talk to each other, but that
doesn't even happen here. She's just poor Leo got no
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other ladies, you know, because sometimes you got to talk
about your periods. Do you do and just stuff space
ladies have periods, yes, call Lucas Ranch you know. In fact,
I think that Princess Leia is extraordinarily brave for wearing
that white cloak all through the movie because she's bleeding
at some point leakage balls. There might be some like
(39:28):
ultra space, but it might be like so that's what
I have to say. It might just not even because
you see how it was given birth with the robots
and it just wave on the stomach when she had
Lea Luke three. Yeah, so yeah, she's still delivering the
babies out of her uterus. But they might have some
weird way to catch out a period blood like a
(39:51):
period to like a probably do something weird when they're
I don't want to actually can largely Nope, it's happened
astronauts large period suppression, which is like just taking hormonal
birth control so that they don't have their periods anymore.
But it's kind of like if you're just floating around
and then you're like, oh no, why do that? Just
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liary with well, they got to be able to oh yeah,
how did they is that into like they were diapers
and they pee into they pee into these like diaper
things and there's some why do you read all? This
was in Young Astronauts? Thank you very much? Did you
get to spare door kid? What you are? Such? Every time?
(40:42):
Every time I learned something news, I was deeper. I
was in Young Astronauts, I was in Girl Scouts. I
was in mock Trial. I was in mock Tracks Club.
Oh yeah, what you do? Were you a lawyer? Yes? Nice?
I was an expert witness. I was a psyche lame
why why do you even the nerd thing? Like it
(41:02):
was an expert with anyway, I was cool. I also
played soccer. I was like a cool last job. Oh
my god. I would push you all the time. And
we were in the same school we were kids. Oh
my god. I absolutely would have been my bully. I
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was like I bullied a lot of people, but I
was like a loving bully. So like all my all
my bullies like have love for me because I'm like,
you're a loser. And then I'd like here's a here's
a cool head, just cool trying to fix it. Like Montage.
I was always like at least some stowe and clueless. Yeah,
(41:46):
they were always like my ties. Oh okay, that's a
good comparison. I ran into someone from high school the
other day. It was bad. She was kind of she
kind of still bullied me, like two nights ago, and
she's getting twisted that knife. One time I was doing
this show and like the one my one saving grades
in high school was that I was on the dance team.
(42:06):
Everything else unforcable dance team, okay, and uh, I would
like I was the co captain with her classic two
thousand tent very exciting, and then uh, she showed up
at the show I did in San Francisco the other
night with her like fiance, and they hated this show,
like they absolutely hated it. And afterwards they're like, do
you want to get top us? Which no, but I went.
(42:28):
And then when we were there, her fiance was like,
so were you guys like best friends in high school?
And she was like not really, like we worked together
at times, but like Jamie was doing her own thing,
which is just code for you fucking sucked. It was like, man, still, yeah,
(42:50):
I mean not wrong, but also why bring it up
all this time like that? Why did Yeah? Why did
you show up if you just wanted to tell me
I suck. Appreciate the effort though, you know, it's like,
thanks for supporting live comedy, you know. Yeah cool. So Yeah.
In conclusion, this movie, uh, we rate it on a
scale of one to zero to five nipples, and five
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nipples being does a really good job in terms of
treating its female characters. I'll go first. I love this franchise.
I love Star Wars because there's only one female character
so in the context, so for this rating purpose, I
will give it to start two nipples and one of
them and they both belong to Princess Leiah, and they
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are perfect because I like her. This guy weird and
creepy are perfect. I give it one horny for your
brother nipple good. Ye would you like to write the
movie sing? Yeah, I'm thanking how many? Because she was like,
she was shooting, she was doing stuff, So I can't
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say zero. I'm gonna give it one a half nipples. Yeah, yeah,
we're pretty pretty ballpark for all of us. Yeah, Like
you know, I don't want to say too. I think
that's too much. I gave it. I was too generous.
Wants to because because you're horny for Leia, I'm giving
the half like the time that it came out. That's
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what the happ is really like they did. They pushed
the boundaries for the time they did. Can I say
that I want to be like the third whale if
like uh Leiah and Han we're fucking I want to
be like the other one to prop them up. I
want to be that set up. No, I just I
just thought it was I want so much more for you,
(44:37):
So do I don't? Yeah, like you bet it in
a third hashtag third way? You know what I do?
Deserve better? Am I getting better? No? I'm not. I'm not.
You're not a third Well, you're winning the primary. Wells
you're definitely a primary. Well, let's hope so Well that
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concludes this episode. You can follow us at Bechtel Cast
on Twitter, like can subscribe to us on iTunes. We're
working on other platforms as well. Well. We'll see. It's
a slow process. Um, we just don't know. You can,
we don't know. You can email us if you want
at the Bechtel Cast at gmail dot com. Sam is
(45:19):
there anything you want to plug? Where can people find you? Online?
At Sam s A M J. A y comic Twitter
in Instagram. Nice anything you wanna put out into the world, Jamie.
You can find me at Hamburger Phone. I know. I
just hope my my hamster survives the week. That's right.
Good luck to your hamster. What's his name, her name?
(45:40):
I don't have a name for it because that gives
it a level of permanence that I'm not ready to commit.
You right, and you also called it an it, so
it's genderless as far as I'm concerned. She fucking hates me.
Oh no, we'll best to luck to you in your hamster.
You can follow me at Caitlin Darante on Twitter her
and I think that's it. Thanks for being here, Sam,
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This was a lot of fun. Take care everyone, Bye,
On the beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies
have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends
and husbands, or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef
in best start changing it with the Bechtel Cast. Hello
and welcome to the Bechtel Cast. I'm your host Caitlin
Darante and your other host, Jamie Loftus, is en route
(00:23):
and en route how do you say it? I don't
know because she's stuck in traffic and we have to
get started because our guest here has somewhere else to
go soon. So just a quick recap of what this
podcast is all about. Um. It's inspired by the Bechtel test,
which is an analysis of narrative works, books, movies, things
(00:43):
like that, where we discover whether or not there are
more than two women, If so, do those two female
characters talk to each other? And if so, is it
about something other than a man. We take a movie,
different movie every week, we talked about it, We bring
a guest, and we discuss it's female characters. So, without
much further ado, let me introduce our guests for this week.
(01:04):
Sam Jay. She's a comic and she's great and we
love her. Hey, what's thanks for being here? Um, yeah,
I'm glad to be here. Is gonna be fun. You're
talking about one of my favorite movies. Tell us, tell
us the movie New Hope Star Wars episode for Yeah,
what does this movie mean to you? I mean, I'm
a big Star Wars fan and I f like, uh A,
(01:25):
New Hope was just the first one I ever saw it, Like,
I watched him in order when I was maybe like
seven with my mom. The New Hope was the first
one I saw it. It made me follow the story,
and I'm a pretty much I'm a door for like
stuff that sets up the story. I like that. I
like those those movies that kind of give me all
the players, you know what I mean. And it's one
of those that kind of gives you all the players
(01:46):
and why it is and what it is and it's
so it's just one of my favorites. Yeah, it just
introduces you to the world that I've I've been into
ever since. Yeah, this is a tangent, But you revealed
to me that your favorite Star Wars movie is episode three,
(02:08):
and I decided to disown you as a friend for
few days after learning that. But we're back We're back,
as friends said, was the best one. Yeah, yeah it is.
It's just dope. It's just dope from getting in the
end you get it's I mean like I silow, I
love a thing that kind of puts puts the end
(02:29):
of the beginning on. So for me, it's like explains
all of it. Now you get all of it. You
get why Vaders Vader? You get you get all luka
la coming from. All the pieces are now finally together.
How openI wan Invader's relationship you know parted ways? Like
what how did it head that? Why is he in
that suit? Now we know like all questions are answered
(02:51):
and it's but you wouldn't appreciate that. How do you
already not known like all the information from episodes four right,
but it's still it still gave you. Buddy's turned to
y'allold just turn Anakin's turn want It's like everybody's turning up.
It's full turn up in Yeah, in the original trilogy,
everyone's like old yeah, Like you get to see Yoda,
(03:11):
like really will the lifesaber and like there was so
many gangster parts, like when the clones all turning and
Yoda was standing there, which you Bok with the two
eas and then there was like the little uh not
Stone Troopers, but the other clothes, the Clones whatever they are,
those little robots and they were about to like turn Yoda,
and Yoda just jumped behind them and cut their head off,
and it was like, all right, let's roll, Like come on,
(03:33):
I'm Yoda, Like really you thought I was gonna do
that to me? Like that's crazy? He just dipped. That
was It was dope. So many dope parts in that movie. Yeah,
I guess I revisited. It's so good if you insist
it's great. So normally I do at no one's request
but my own a recap of the story. But we
(03:54):
were hanging out the other day and you gave me
a synopsis of the movie Roadhouse, which I was familiar with,
and you did such a great job that I was
wondering if you would want to do the recap for
a New Hope. All right, so I watched a Love
Star Wars, so they kind of like bleeding Yeah, so
you're just chiming and I might need you on the
(04:15):
strong ending. But from what I call you know, the
New Hope is our introduction to a young Loop Skywalker
he's on a tattoo which is just like a desert planet,
and he's like, man, this ship is boring, like tattoo
black as fuck, but it's on his uncle like you
gotta stay here, y'all because like we got rhubob season
coming up and we need you for that harvest. And
(04:36):
he's like, but there's a whole life out here off tattooing.
I'm just trying to be like a real nigger and
they're like nah. So then like robot shows up, like yo,
oh ship, this is a random mass robot. It looks
like what the hell? And then he touched robot and
it's a message from a hot bitch that's like mad flies.
So she's like, yo, I'm mad sexy and I'm asta
stuck and he's like I'm gonna save this chick because
(04:57):
i ain't got nothing else to do, and yeah. Yeah.
So that brings us to about twenty minutes into then
he's like, so he meets Obi Wan. Yeah, he beats
Obi Wan and he's like everyone's like creeping around and
he's like, who's this old crazy dude? And his aunt
and his uncle know was obi Wan day? Like No,
he's just a crazy old dude. They't been what we
(05:19):
want to start to like being like, yo, man, I
know you feel it like this places whack, you should
be not at this place, and looks like, yo, you're crazy,
but you making somebsense to me, you know what I mean?
And so then everyone was like, yeah, I'm just tell
you real, bro, like Jedies is real. I'm one of
them niggas. I could teach you how to be one
of them niggas because you've got the forcing you money in.
And then looks like I'm down for that because this
(05:40):
board is hell and I don't want to be picking
rubobs my whole life. And then they go. So they
go to most Nicely and they meet because the uh
we forgot to mention the Empire, and there after the
two droids that have come into Luke's possession to escape.
So then they go and meet Han Solo and Youka,
so yeah they did. They had a bounce because the
(06:03):
Empire they always losing droids. They're always losing their droids
with information and stuff. So they capture some Georys lost
some Joys, and Joys have vital information. They're trying to
get the Joys back. Luke gets a possession of joys.
They got a bounce so over once like we got
to dip dip dive or we want still feels the
force and stuff like they move and shaking bumping a
Han Solo and Chewbacca. Han Solo is like a bad
(06:26):
as Galaxy like pirate like smuggles smuggler like bootlegger type dude.
So he's making all types of bare looking nerve hurder.
But that's just me, all right, I would say, Yeah,
he's like a bootlegger of the galaxy. You know, theyking
making slime deals, moving illegal contrabands around in the millennial
(06:47):
millennial falcon with Chewbacca, you know what I'm saying, and
looking them hook up and they just distracted Tons Solo
from like his real naked task, you know what I mean.
He's like, I'm not really here for all that. I
just like to get money and fus y'all got me
and all his other stuff, right, So they mean they
link up with him and then but they get captured
by the death Star. Yeah, doesn't like catching them and
(07:08):
a little a little little like the rain their beam
of control control. So then they have to like be
all sneaky and they managed to like evade the like
the stormtroopers for a hot minute, and then they beat
some of them up. They do the old switcher. They
put the store and trooper suits on because like that's
(07:28):
how you break into stuff, and then they get up
in there like yo, we would, y'all. But then when
they get up in then they take their homes off
like now we us. And then they go and rescue
Princess Leah up out of that ship like, yo, girl,
we knew he was up in hand. We came to
get you. And Hans like, wait a minute, she's bad.
I'm kind of glad I came on this trip. Yeah,
but so it's Luke. It was like, oh I like
her too. It was like I got a voted for
(07:49):
they both go. They got and then so they managed
to escape after some ruffles and scuffles, but not before
there's a face off between Obi Wan and Darth Vader. Yes,
and that's the that's the apprentice and the teacher getting
it back on since we want to cut off all
his limbs is stuff. If he's like, now I'm super ill,
(08:10):
obi Wan, and I'm definitely gonna kill you because like
I got so much anger towards you by man, and
everyone's like, I know you're gonna kill me. That's how
ill I am in the Force. Then I'm just chilling, bro,
I'm ready to die. Baby. Then they go at it.
He kills really kind of just lets it happen. And
then he wants like, now I'm super dupid ill with
the Force because I'm am the Force. He's a forced ghost,
(08:32):
which we learn you see you're like, here's like voice over.
He's like ghost voiceover later in the movie. But then
you see his like ghost form. Yeah. So then, uh,
Luke is all sad about it, even though he knew
Obi Wan for maybe a day, like two days, but
we won't put him on a lot, so that's reasonable
that he was hurt by it. So and then plus
(08:54):
like Luke's just like Yo, Vader is not a good dude.
Like he's just out heads thatching up hose off the galaxy.
Now he just killed on my man's He's doing a
lot of reckless stuff. Yeah. So then they regroup and
they go to a rebel base and they like analyze
the plans to destroy the Death Star. Meanwhile, Han, it's
all like I was listening this for the money I
got my money, I got my reward, peace out, see
(09:16):
you later. And then Luke and some other pilots go
and try to destroy the death Star and they do
right they do, and then I said, and they blow
it up. Han comes back and he's like just kidding him, back,
I've got a heart of gold. He's I can't leave.
I can't leave a heaven left, which is the same thing.
And um, this episode seven friends come out, I can't
(09:40):
be here. I gotta leave because these people they just like, no,
I can't leave my boot. Hang out with my boot.
And that's why Hans kind of his medt to it,
because Hans like, I used to try to leave my
host too. But I'm gonna tell you I did not
do that, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, because you're
not a Jedi doesn't mean you can't train other people
to do. It's really fitting in the same position as Hunt.
(10:01):
He's not a Jedi either. He's just rolling with it.
He's just rolling, you know what I'm saying. So he's
kind of the same character, just in a different form.
So that's why it's kind of like bringing on his tutelage,
you know what I mean. Yep, I got you so
that's pretty much the Star. And then they blow up
the Death Star and then there's a little ceremony at
the end with that T shirt and they yeah, they do,
they blow it up. And that's when like, now Vader
(10:23):
has to like recognize like, y'all the forces with the forces,
this disruption of force and the and the life side
of forces, you know, coming back, and that the Jedi
may return. Oh shit, but there's a whole movie in
between that and the Jedi returning Empire. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
(10:45):
but we're not here. We're not We're going. Yeah, we're
gonna focus on a new hope. We're talking about this
to sort of coincide with the release of Rogue one,
which is coming out soon. So we're gonna talk about
the female characters, of which there are two ones with
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speaking roles. And then I don't know if anyone else
noticed this. I didn't notice this until this recent viewing.
There are two women in the Cantina scene when they're
at most easily trying to get on the Millennium falcon.
Are we counting alien women as well? Well? It's hard
since we're not familiar with those alien species, it's hard
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to tell some of them got titties though, so you know,
oh yeah, well yeah they do in Return of the
Jedi for sure. In fact, some of them had more
than two titties. Some of them had like Nate. But
in a New Hope, you only see in that cantina
seem there's a like a pair of twins women who
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are just hanging out getting drink or whatever. Other than that,
there is Princess Leia, and there's Aunt Brew and Brew
has maybe five minutes of screen. Yeah, She's like, you
don't need to know anything about your life, Luke. That's
more his uncle, so Brew is. She kind of stays
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silent until the end of that scene where Luke kind
of storms off. He's like, what you're making me stay
on for another season? I want to go to the
academy this year. Me me. His uncle is all like whatever,
I'll make it up to him next year, and she's like,
you're fucking idiot. He has too much of his father. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's actually she's pro let him go. Yeah, that's right.
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You all messed up. So that's pretty cool. But yeah,
like and then the next scene time we see her,
she's a burnt up corpse. That's like all fried and sizzled. Yeah, yeah,
she has very little got that work. So the most
notable female character is our friend Princess Leah. She's actually
introduced really early on in the story. We meet her
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before we get Skywalker. No, even before that. There's a
scene the first sequence we see is the like Imperial
troops boarding I don't even know which ship they're on
or whatever, but like, uh, Darth Vader. I almost hesitated
to do an episode about Star Wars because there's gonna
be so many nerds listening at home and being like, oh,
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the name of the ship is this, and it's this
model and this they're on this planet, blah blah blah,
and I know what happened. I only know the Star
Wars information I have is what has been in episodes
one through seven. I haven't read any comic books. I
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don't know anything that's cannon that has been established through
like we're fans. Yeah exactly. Sometimes I have sex very
very not just watching, not very often, not very often
at all, but often enough where I don't have time
to read busy so anyway, so I only know like
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the names of the planets that are mentioned in the movie. Yeah, yeah,
I'm not all into I know what's going on, and
I'm into the story of it, the battle vers and
evil and the idea of you being in control of
your energies and your destiny and all that good stuff,
but I don't get down to all the like nay
gritty details. So apologies to all the uber fans out there. Sorry,
(14:26):
I'm probably not gonna like get all the names right
everything anyway. So they're they're boarding the ship and Darth
Vader busting. He's like, oh, you're a rebel spot She's like,
I'm on a diplomatic mission to all. Yeah, that's you're
a rebel spy and your piece of ship have come fight.
And then I think that's when he takes her prisoner's again.
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We learned though that she's like able to wield a
gun though, because and then she runs away and they're like, fusers,
just done or whatever, and then they stun her and
then they take her prisoner so that she does not
appear on screen again, I don't think until fifty four
minutes into and we're not talking about via Holograu, so yeah,
(15:08):
technically she's on screen when she's Okay. Our other host,
Jamie lock welcome, How are you my hamsters in? Safe
and good? Oh yeah, you had to drop off your
hamster for hamster sitting because you're going back out of
town expectedly long hamster errand yeah, well I had to
(15:29):
make small talk with the hamster city, like I can't
just be like, here's my animals, see you in a week.
But oh sure, sure you're a good person. I'm just
a bad driver. Mostly we're good. We've been um, we've
been chatting Star Wars good. So yeah, we were just
we recapped the movie and we were just starting to
(15:50):
introduce who the female characters were. We uh, there are
a total of I think for them that I counted
that you can see on screen. Only two of them
have speaking roles. And we were just talking about Princess Leiah.
We meet her early on and then we see her
again as a hologram, and that's when Luke is all like,
who is she? She's beautiful? Do I know she's my sister?
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But man, do I want to fuck her? We've all
been there, We've in there. She's the most notable female
character in episode four, but there are huge chunks of
time where she is not on screen at all or
if she is, she's in the version of a hologram,
which means she's not really doing anything to influence the story.
She's like, he's like an exposition the machine, because what
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does she say, first, we only hearsay helped me. I'll
be one Kenobi, You're my only hope. And then a
little later on they play back the entire message, which
is like, I've stored information that's vital to the destruction
of the death Star into this droid. Help me obi
wan Kenobi. Yeah, she's a plot tool. Yeah, at least
in the first act. She appears on screen again, not until,
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like I said, fifty four minutes into the movie, because
there's a huge gap where like Luke and Han or
like figuring shut out. She shows up again, and I
think like the Empire is interrogating her, trying to figure
out where the rebel bases, and she's like d'antoine and
they're like, okay, let's blow up all drawn anyway, Um,
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that seems pretty short, and then she disappears again for
another several minutes and doesn't show up again until an
hour and thirteen minutes into the story. Mind you, this
is only a two hour film and that's when that's three. Yeah,
so this is like their for their third time on
screen an hour and thir minutes into it, and that's
when Luke goes to rescue her in the detention cell
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that she's being held captain him. So an instance of
a man having to save a woman, one of those
really fun tropes. She joins the gang after that, she's
like part of the Little Scooby Crew and we see
her do some pretty bad ass things, but she's pretty
she's pretty raged. The end kind of redeems her a
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little bit because she gets to actually do stuff. For example,
after they've rescued her, the stormtroopers are shooting at them
and she's like, well, you didn't have a get out?
What the And then so she like takes putters into
her own hands and she's like, oh, this is some rescue.
She grabs Luke's blaster fire, she shoots a hole in
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the wall. Somebody has to save our skins. It doesn't
make a door come down, and she just blasted. She
dives in. She goes into the garbage shoot boy. She
says to han Clo, which is great, and then everyone
dives in and then they end up in a thing
with the trash. And then when they're in there, the
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walls whenever women take charts, they mucket all as we
are conditioned to believe via mainstream American cinema. And there's
a line of dialogue about that, but I'll get to
that in a second. So then they all land in
the trash compactor and then the walls start closing in
on them, and Lucas just like, dude, the walls are
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moving and she's like, don't just stand there, bracelet with something.
So she was like taking initiative. She's like because she's
been through stuff though, I mean, that would make sense.
Like Luke doesn't know anything. He's just coming from Tatoy.
He's like fresh off the boats. Like he just he
just trying to get it popping, you know what I mean.
She like, she's been through some stuff. She's hiding secrets,
she's stolen stuff. She she goes up a little bit.
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She does, she does for sure. Then there's a line
of dialogue that I never picked up on until this
most recent viewing this rewatch, where after they get out
of the trash compactor, Han says, well, if we can
avoid any more female advice, we ought to be able
to get out of here. Yeah, I was right because
what I was thinking as I was thinking, yeah, yeah,
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way to pick that up the only one who did
anything to like because she was moving irrationally. It didn't
give Han time to think of a better plan. Han
had no In fact, Han was either way, but she tried.
She she made an attempt. Yeah, but that was also
I think, like, I mean, of course it speaks to
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show it doesn't not that, But I also think it
was com Hans's character, like he could never be wrong
or not in charge. Sure, yeah, you know what I mean.
He would have said anything to anyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
exactly if it was Luke's I didn't, well, we could
afford dumb kid IBox like true. But what bugged me
about that was not just the line itself, but that
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like Leah wasn't like fuck you dude, she didn't have
a com back for Her comeback was to deny him
the pussy, Yeah, which is the ultimate. She was like me,
hanging at this box, keep talking like talking like that,
She's gonna go her brother. That's hurtful. You're like, I
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don't want to. You said, it's revenge. She made a
work harder for it. There's a couple of scenes later
they're trying to get across the bridge. They're still in
the Death Star. Luke is like doing crap. He's I
don't who knows what he's doing. The Stormtroopers are like
trying to get through the door on the other side.
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She takes the gun and starts like shooting people, and
she's a better shot than Han or Luke because everybody
misses everybody every time they shoot it somewhere like these
people have the worst aim. I was confused about that
because when I was like, does it not hurt if
you get hit by one of those? But I was like, oh,
they're just missing everybody. No one can It was like
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sucking paintballers. Which is hilarious because earlier in the movie,
Obi Wan's like, only Imperial Troopers are this precise because
they're talking about like the little they're not ewoks, they're
like the little dudes. At the beginning anyway, you're talking
about the precision of the fire blast, and he's like,
the only Stormtroopers are this precise. It's like, no, no
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one hits anybody ever. Yeah, it's dumb. Anyway, I'm just
the point. I'm trying to arrive at is that like
on a number of occasions, like Lea takes matters into
her own hands and it's like, oh, you're not getting
this done fast enough or well enough, then I'm going
to do ship. So I do like that, right, And
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it doesn't bother me that she sucks up the plants
of yeah, because it's like, I don't know, I always
feel weird when it's I feel like that's almost like
a trope in movies where it's like the one woman
in the scene is like, move aside, boys, I've got this,
you know, and then she fucking and she does yeah
exactly like changes like the fucking monster truck tire but
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a negligent on her perfect and she's like, I know
what to do, and her nail and makes like a rope. Yeah.
And at the end, the guys like have their mouths
up and she's like, you know, that wasn't hard, was it? Yeah?
Oh yeah, yeah, No, it doesn't bother me at all
that she like she like put them into more of
a because that's what storytelling is, Like, Yeah, it just
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felt it, Yeah, to get it right, Characters getting into
hi jinks, encountering obstacles, trying to figure out how to
overcome those obstacles. So yeah, like a character is going
to make a mistake and that's what storytelling is. So yeah,
Leiah takes initiative, she like takes action. She makes decisions
that influence the direction the story takes. So that's what
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I like about her. And she's pretty good at hurling
insults too. She's like, get this walking carpet out of
my way. So she's a little firecracker she is. What
I'm trying to say is that I like Princess Leiah.
I think she's a pretty good character. The problem is
all of her relationships are like there, no, she has
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no female relationships. She's the literally the only woman in
space and all the time because any scenes where there's
like a bunch of extras, if there's like pilots or rebels,
maybe there's some ladies stormtroopers we don't know, and all
on a cloud planet you say specifically for this movie,
but we're talking talking about um yeah, um. And there
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was there was a question, Oh it's Chewy is he
maybe he's a she? Wrong? That's wrong? And also what
a fucking stretched is a second female? And also Chewy
couldn't pass the back Tilton, Well, I guess maybe. Well, yeah,
we don't really, Well, we don't know what he talks
about because we're talking about him. Man, he could be
(24:46):
talking about ice fishing. We don't know. We don't know,
we don't, but we do know that he is in
fact a male because if you recall the Star Wars
Christmas special that came out. I don't remember what ear
early eighties or late seven it's oh, it's so it's
about Chewie's family. He has a wife and three kids.
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I think, And I don't remember what the story is. Yeah,
Like I like all this so hilariously bad. I mean
you should watch it. Just it's like, like is it
like like he's just like chilling with his family. I
think he's trying to get back home to his family.
They all speak that language, and that's just a long
show that no one he's like TOI and his wife
(25:36):
getting into this stuff. Luke is definitely in it. And
I want to say, like Mark Mark camill As, when
did this come out? Now? I'm excited, Yeah, I am
dB A can't it's so and I want to say
that I can't remember Harrison Ford as Han is in
it or not. It's a show. It was like a
(25:59):
made for TV movie. It's on YouTube, so oh yeah,
that is how I watched it. Okay, so it came
out right after because episode four was released in nine,
so that I love a weird hackey tie in my face.
Bottom line is Chewy as a man because he fucked
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his wife and had three babies. It might not be
and maybe not. He's away a lot with n she's
sucking some other strange wookie. Um. There's there's also a question,
Oh well, maybe the droids or women also know because
(26:44):
at least C three posts pretty clearly he's a feminist,
but he's and then he talks about and two are
too using like he him his pronouns. So one just
I am seeing that they just like reaper dudes like worms.
There's just like another guy that pops out of a guy,
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because there's no other way. If it's just Luke's and Leah,
they can't fucking populate a galaxy. Right, Yeah, it's pretty
and like sure it's a movie about it's Star Wars.
There at war and it was a long time ago,
so back you know, in World War two, even back
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when they're only men in the world, or at least
like men's soldiers. I don't know when women started being
soldiers in in the military, but maybe it's just since
they're all A lot of them are like militant, but
there's also a rebellion like a woman, like anyone can
join a rebellion. It is supposed to know a long
(27:47):
time ago in a galaxy far it's the past, way
in the past, this fictional story that did never exist.
Maybe they were having like their own industrial revolution, you know,
was like always got it was the future, but like
a long time ago of like the beginning stories. I
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don't know what. Yeah, because it's the middle stories, I
thought it was a long time ago like two requels. Oh,
I mean those stories take place, but I just never
I never really, I always assumed it was the future. Yeah,
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the opening the title car that doesn't make any sense.
We don't have any of that stuff. We can't flower.
In fact, it might be long long No, it's a
long time ago in a galaxy far far away. So
it's just far away. But I think that's up. I'm
gonna go and say I think that's an up. And
I can't wrap my hat around this. Well, it's the truth.
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So yeah, back when women didn't exist except for one
of them. All right, well in that case, sure. Yeah.
And the other thing about Leia is that when she's
talked about in pop culture or just like any when
people talk about her, it's almost always in the context
of her slave La outfit. People like, oh, yeah, slave La,
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she's hot. I'd bang that. We don't talk about her accomplishments,
the fact that she's a diplomat, a politician, and a prince.
She led an army and she can fire a gun,
and she makes choices and sticks with them. We don't
talk about that, do we know? But it is a
good costume. She's got like the most insane abs ever,
(29:40):
Like it's not fair. Oh yeah, I do long to
have that. Okay, I'm objectifying her, But also, like I
thought about it, how does she do that? I mean
I objectify Han Solo on a pretty regular basis. So yeah,
like that, like young Harrison Ford, Yeah, what is wrong
with you? What do you mean? I want you to
get out side more? There? Mark, I couldn't be less
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on board with. Even when Harrison for was in that movie,
he looked like a dead there, like he wasn't hot dad,
but he was like a dead though. He wasn't like
giving you young sexy vibes. He wasn't maybe definitely give
me like dead maybe not. I don't know. He got
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kind of a later start to acting, so he was
already like thirty five ish, Yeah, yeah he was. He
looked dead ish. Yeah, that's dead. Even like when he
was like liking lay, I was like, you too old
for her, bro, I will say, you know what I mean,
like you all dude out here trying to trying to
scheme something young. Didn't Carrie Fisher say that she and
Harrison Ford like hooked up. Wasn't not like a reason?
Yeah that story? She was like a teenager? Was she sure?
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That's fucked um? In Hollywood? You could do that that
pain and pain into a long She was nineteen, he's
just four and this movie came out in seventies. She
was like, one, right, that's true for dad pain. Yeah,
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it's not for everyone. She's a consenting adult that anyway,
we statement retracted. That's the thing. There's so because she's
the only like notable female character, and I think there's
no female relationships for her to have. All the notable
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relationships are between men or a man and her. So
it's nice of you to car Oh my gosh, I
care so much because you've got like Luke and Obi Wan.
It's like the mentor mentee relationship. You've got Luke and Han,
which is like a budding friendship thing. You've got Han
and Chewi, which is like sidekick that that relationship is
(31:57):
more compelling than any relationship. Yeah, it's like, oh yeah,
Hans Solo and his fucking huge dog have a more
interesting storyline. Yeah, it's upsetting. And then her relationships are
basically she has one with Luke, which is that he
wants to suck her, and she has one with Han,
which is that he wants to suck her and also
(32:20):
this movie. But yeah, but he also wants to her.
But how that's the question he has that tail. I'm
sure there's plenty of like fan porn that would explain Polis,
but I'm not in the mood for that rabbit hole. No,
you might have like a whale dick, like it comes
out like over and just slimy dick underneath all that.
(32:50):
I think who knows that you have you ever seen blackfish? Yeah?
They jerked a whale off that was so necessarily Yeah,
I don't forget. Apparently we didn't need to see that, no,
and it didn't add to this story. Yea, what is
this yo? They're like, all right, let's get the stomach
turn and just think. Yeah, I haven't seen that movie
(33:11):
in a couple of years me either. Although apparently in nature,
when whales have sex there has to be a third
whale there to like prop up one of them while
like kinky, Yeah, there's a this is true. This is
you're just like, no, this is information that I gleaned
(33:32):
from a joke of a link on Mitra, a very
funny comic we all know. Check him out. He had
a joke about whales having sex and how there has
to be a third to like prop up the other
ones as they're sucking each other because there's no you're
you're suspended in water. There's like nothing, there's no like
headboard to brace yourself again. But they have dicks though,
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that's true, that's so much. Sex is important in everything.
As we mentioned earlier, sometimes I do have it every
once in a while. So I think we can draw
and then draw the conclusion that the movie does not
pass the Bechdel test, not even not even close. A
few movies do it, and they like do the very
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bare minimum of them. This one doesn't even try, does
not try at all. So funk this movie not I
mean I really like it. It's I've seen it, you know,
a dozen times or more, but only on this viewing
was I like, oh, wow, there's only one lady who
matters in this story. And I like, so, what do
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you think? It's like a thing where it's like, okay,
so that was just the time, you know, and like
how now you have like the female Ghostbusters movie, you
know what I mean, Like do you think and like
how they're trying to make a woman a lead in
these new Star Wars, you know what I mean. It's
like the time sucked because I feel like at the time,
probably no one had a second thought about that, Like
that was just for sure. Yeah, the Patriarch they I
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thought it was progressive because I was shooting in the
movie and she was doing were like, we are breaking
down bars the pitch meeting. We're going to have a movie.
But guess what we're gonna put a woman in. It
is very incest forward story, right boundaries being Yeah, he
was he was doing it all. Yeah, there's some Freudian
(35:22):
ship in there, because it's like like in episode seven,
Ray is the lead, the Protagon will call her short
for protagonists, an industry term. What movie still very barely
passes the Bechtel test. Really, I haven't seen that she
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has a very quick conversation with general requirements of this.
So the Bechtel test is that there has to be
two female characters in the movie that ideally both have names,
that talk about something other than a man in a conversation,
and that's all. That's all it is. Like, so even
if there's like something where two women talk about the
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weather for two seconds, like, it technically passes. So it's
not hard to it's not hard. But most movies don't
pass it because in most cases, if there are even
two female characters who speak to each other, it's usually
about a male character or a man in the middle
or something. They're talking about a man devil wis product
(36:27):
the passes probably like mad they would talk about types
of right away. I love Man. It was such a
good movie so much. Only now I'm just seas I
think a movie like movies, it's not I mean, there's
what they talk they let the let he just talk
um not many sister yeah, yeah, sisterhood yeah probably. I
(36:53):
haven't seen The Fried Green Tomatoes you ever. I've seen it,
don't remember well enough to know if it passed through
the flesh, which is funny at the end. Oh almost
a joint with Adam Sandler in the Spanish Lady Spanglish
good one it passes. Yes, really, I haven't seen it.
(37:15):
I mean I could see her and our daughter. They
talk about just everything. They're able to list five movies.
There's a great uh, there's a great episode of Jane
the Virgin. I love Jane the Virgin is bad, but
it's a good show. But it's bad that I've seen
it so many times. But they have like a whole
storyline where the show is like actively trying to pass
(37:36):
the Bechdel Test all the time, and it almost never does.
But it becomes just a running joke that they're like,
it's three main female characters and they never ever passed
the test. They love those boys. I'm just shying thing
mad women. At some point. There's at least six ladies
(37:57):
in one of my favorite movies. Leah, Oh well, they
never talked to each other. Oh shit, okay, because one
of them is like living in the nineteen fifties or something,
and the other one is a contemporary. I assumed all
Meryl Street movies with past, but maybe not Sophie's choice.
I don't know. I don't remember that movie very well either. Um.
One of my favorite movies is Selman Louise, and that
(38:20):
passes absolutely. I'm trying to think of Florence Foster Jenkins passes.
I don't I've seen it, seen it twice. I think
I'm the only person who's ever seen Florence Foster Jenkins
at all. Oh is that the one that came out
pretty recently where she's like an opera singer but she's
back with the dude from the Big Bang Theories in it,
he plays the piano. I don't think it passes anyways.
(38:42):
It's a good movie. I like it cool. What is
it called floor? Florence Foster Jenkins? Check that out? So, yeah,
a new Hope falls back because it was no other lady. No, Yeah,
dang new Hope. Yeah, because some movies come close, it's like, oh, well,
at least two women talk to each other, but that
doesn't even happen here. She's just poor Leo got no
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other ladies, you know, because sometimes you got to talk
about your periods. Do you do and just stuff space
ladies have periods, yes, call Lucas Ranch you know. In fact,
I think that Princess Leia is extraordinarily brave for wearing
that white cloak all through the movie because she's bleeding
at some point leakage balls. There might be some like
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ultra space, but it might be like so that's what
I have to say. It might just not even because
you see how it was given birth with the robots
and it just wave on the stomach when she had
Lea Luke three. Yeah, so yeah, she's still delivering the
babies out of her uterus. But they might have some
weird way to catch out a period blood like a
(39:51):
period to like a probably do something weird when they're
I don't want to actually can largely Nope, it's happened
astronauts large period suppression, which is like just taking hormonal
birth control so that they don't have their periods anymore.
But it's kind of like if you're just floating around
and then you're like, oh no, why do that? Just
(40:16):
liary with well, they got to be able to oh yeah,
how did they is that into like they were diapers
and they pee into they pee into these like diaper
things and there's some why do you read all? This
was in Young Astronauts? Thank you very much? Did you
get to spare door kid? What you are? Such? Every time?
(40:42):
Every time I learned something news, I was deeper. I
was in Young Astronauts, I was in Girl Scouts. I
was in mock Trial. I was in mock Tracks Club.
Oh yeah, what you do? Were you a lawyer? Yes? Nice?
I was an expert witness. I was a psyche lame
why why do you even the nerd thing? Like it
(41:02):
was an expert with anyway, I was cool. I also
played soccer. I was like a cool last job. Oh
my god. I would push you all the time. And
we were in the same school we were kids. Oh
my god. I absolutely would have been my bully. I
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was like I bullied a lot of people, but I
was like a loving bully. So like all my all
my bullies like have love for me because I'm like,
you're a loser. And then I'd like here's a here's
a cool head, just cool trying to fix it. Like Montage.
I was always like at least some stowe and clueless. Yeah,
(41:46):
they were always like my ties. Oh okay, that's a
good comparison. I ran into someone from high school the
other day. It was bad. She was kind of she
kind of still bullied me, like two nights ago, and
she's getting twisted that knife. One time I was doing
this show and like the one my one saving grades
in high school was that I was on the dance team.
(42:06):
Everything else unforcable dance team, okay, and uh, I would
like I was the co captain with her classic two
thousand tent very exciting, and then uh, she showed up
at the show I did in San Francisco the other
night with her like fiance, and they hated this show,
like they absolutely hated it. And afterwards they're like, do
you want to get top us? Which no, but I went.
(42:28):
And then when we were there, her fiance was like,
so were you guys like best friends in high school?
And she was like not really, like we worked together
at times, but like Jamie was doing her own thing,
which is just code for you fucking sucked. It was like, man, still, yeah,
(42:50):
I mean not wrong, but also why bring it up
all this time like that? Why did Yeah? Why did
you show up if you just wanted to tell me
I suck. Appreciate the effort though, you know, it's like,
thanks for supporting live comedy, you know. Yeah cool. So Yeah.
In conclusion, this movie, uh, we rate it on a
scale of one to zero to five nipples, and five
(43:11):
nipples being does a really good job in terms of
treating its female characters. I'll go first. I love this franchise.
I love Star Wars because there's only one female character
so in the context, so for this rating purpose, I
will give it to start two nipples and one of
them and they both belong to Princess Leiah, and they
(43:33):
are perfect because I like her. This guy weird and
creepy are perfect. I give it one horny for your
brother nipple good. Ye would you like to write the
movie sing? Yeah, I'm thanking how many? Because she was like,
she was shooting, she was doing stuff, So I can't
(43:55):
say zero. I'm gonna give it one a half nipples. Yeah, yeah,
we're pretty pretty ballpark for all of us. Yeah, Like
you know, I don't want to say too. I think
that's too much. I gave it. I was too generous.
Wants to because because you're horny for Leia, I'm giving
the half like the time that it came out. That's
(44:16):
what the happ is really like they did. They pushed
the boundaries for the time they did. Can I say
that I want to be like the third whale if
like uh Leiah and Han we're fucking I want to
be like the other one to prop them up. I
want to be that set up. No, I just I
just thought it was I want so much more for you,
(44:37):
So do I don't? Yeah, like you bet it in
a third hashtag third way? You know what I do?
Deserve better? Am I getting better? No? I'm not. I'm not.
You're not a third Well, you're winning the primary. Wells
you're definitely a primary. Well, let's hope so Well that
(44:58):
concludes this episode. You can follow us at Bechtel Cast
on Twitter, like can subscribe to us on iTunes. We're
working on other platforms as well. Well. We'll see. It's
a slow process. Um, we just don't know. You can,
we don't know. You can email us if you want
at the Bechtel Cast at gmail dot com. Sam is
(45:19):
there anything you want to plug? Where can people find you? Online?
At Sam s A M J. A y comic Twitter
in Instagram. Nice anything you wanna put out into the world, Jamie.
You can find me at Hamburger Phone. I know. I
just hope my my hamster survives the week. That's right.
Good luck to your hamster. What's his name, her name?
(45:40):
I don't have a name for it because that gives
it a level of permanence that I'm not ready to commit.
You right, and you also called it an it, so
it's genderless as far as I'm concerned. She fucking hates me.
Oh no, we'll best to luck to you in your hamster.
You can follow me at Caitlin Darante on Twitter her
and I think that's it. Thanks for being here, Sam,
(46:02):
This was a lot of fun. Take care everyone, Bye,
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