July 11, 2018 • 28 mins
Somerhill (Daniel May) receives word of Hayes’s (John Schmedes) revelation from both the proud doctor and a rogue agent (Andrew Benator), who is furious at having been exposed. Unsatisfied with Hayes’s explanation, Verdrey (Lisa Paulsen) begins to investigate the identity and purpose of the Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The control group contains scenes of realistic violence and graphic sexuality.
It is intended for mature listeners. Hello, who is this?
Don't you worry who this? Tell me where you are?
(00:23):
Tell me where she is? No, so I can come
get her. That's quite impossible. Nothing is impossible. You above
all people should know that Dr hayes Dr Walter hay
(00:46):
in the field of psychiatric medicine, it was an exciting time,
a time of innovation and discovery, a time when mental
health institutions struggled to redefine themselves, to become something more
than repositories of the sink God. Unorthodox methods and aggressive
(01:09):
therapies were not only permitted, but encouraged. This is a
record of that time. This is the control group. Is
(01:30):
she cognizant? Just just aboutd I think at two hours?
We don't have two hours. Karen, Karen, what did he
say to you? Who was that man? Huh? I'm not
supposed to tell you that he made it very you
said his name. Say it again. I didn't say his name.
(01:53):
You said it. I heard it. We have it on tape.
So you can tell me now, or I can turn
your back over to the police. No. Better stop playing
games are answer me, dr Star, you know what's good
for you? You're tell me you I do know. We
know his name, we have his number. So at this
point i'd say you have nothing else to hide. Put
(02:18):
her under ect finnobarb nice like. No, no, please, we're
under and resume the driving tape. Stay with her until
she's sure she's asleep. Yes, sir, please, I becking you.
I'll monitor her myself. You've got to get me out
(02:41):
of here. Upon the right, right back. You don't have
to do this. Look at you, verdery, look at me.
You know? Do I need to start you down? You
know things aren't right. I know you've noticed. Think about
(03:01):
what's happening here over the past. Back No, no, no,
look around you. You've gotta trust your instincts for once.
It's not safe. It's not safe for any of us.
He's coming. He's coming here looking for me. I can't
(03:23):
be here. Well, you can't let him find still while
I put the conductor on your temples, Morgan Hall, get
his hands on me. I'm a dead woman. Down on
this dead woman. Bite down. You're just trying to stay alive.
(03:56):
We can't put your back in the ward. You'll have
to You'll have to stay in the sleep room. I'm
telling I can figure something out, okay, anything. I'll try
to keep Dr Hayes out and Gloria. I don't know
how long you can stay there without anyone discovering. Two
(04:17):
or three days? Maybe? Yes? Whatever you say? Whatever? All
right then ah Human Ecology. Give me summer Hill Godfreed.
(04:39):
If you don't, Town, I'm sorry. Dr Godfried is only
available by prior appointment summer early May. Ask please hold
a summer hill. Where the fuck is she? We've been
over this more and it's better for all of us
(05:03):
if we keep her under wraps for a while. If
she's under wraps, why did I just get a phone
call from Karen called you? Somebody better tell me what
the hell's going on real quick before fin is sequestered
in a secure facility. She's closely monitored and completely in communicado.
Now she was able to communicato. She just called me
on an unsecured line. I mean, jesus, what the hell
(05:25):
kind of operation are you clowns running? She's part of
a new project. Bullshit on that. I never approved this.
It was Gottfried's decision. She is mine. The moment she
was arrested. I should have been notified, but I wasn't.
It was public, it was news. I could have fixed it.
There was no fixing this. Trust us. This was the
(05:47):
way to go. An opportunity arose at the fish on
your opportunity. I found her, I groomed her, not you
not got freed. She's mine. I want her back. There's
no taking her back right now, it's impossible. I'm too
were satisfied that we can integrate her into the stable? No,
(06:07):
she's under wraps. I told you there's too much at you.
And I know who's got her, and I know what
bluff when I hear one. Dr Walter Hayes Central State
Hospital at New Canaan, all right, hold on would be
second floor. You had your chance to tell me, and
you didn't. But now I know. And you've got nothing
(06:28):
to say about what I do from here on? That
you got me? Is that clear enough for you? Am
I making my clear to you? It's urgent, Jesus Valerie,
it's Dr Heyes, what's going on? Old goddamn mind? You're
asking me to hole hold on? Pencil pushing pansy. You
put me on home summer Hill. Oh good, Mr summer Hill,
(06:54):
this is Walter Hayes and New Canaan has good to
hear from you. I was just discussing you with one
of my colleagues. Anything new on the research front, Yes,
I cracked her. Excuse me, Karen Myers, I got insider
at a matter of speaking. The man in the room,
the invisible man. I know who he is, I know
(07:15):
his name, everything everything. Huh so what is his name?
Morgan Hall? But there's a problem. You don't say he
he knows who I am. And for the sick, security,
(07:37):
for the patients, for Karen too. Of course, I'm worried
that this Morgan Hall person did do me a favor. Sure,
I'm going to put you on hold for a second,
bring in someone who might be able to provide an assistance.
I don't know whether or not this man is dangerous
or if I'm back Morgan Morgan, I thought Dr Hayes
(08:03):
on the other line, letting me know that he has
successfully obtained a confession from Karen, confession, and that he's
going to make sure that no no, no, no, no, no,
no no no, you do not let that head shrinker
say another word to her. Do you hear me. It's fine, Morgan,
he's part of our package. He's recording all his sessions,
(08:24):
so that what the fucking what you are letting him
pump my operative for it? I would hardly call Karen
Myers and I'm letting him get it on taper you up.
Your new thing is under our control. No, not everything.
The name one thing that we can't control me Morgan,
(08:47):
what's that supposed to mean? Morgans do with me? Hayes, Yeah, good, look,
we we we think it's probably best if you had
her on some kind of sedatives already in place, sweet therapy, ect,
(09:08):
heavy regiment, chemical hypnosis for our sessions. Jesus, okay, let's
why don't you put her back under so that she Yeah, hello,
how did this other person Morton? Did you say his
(09:28):
name was? So? Tell me how did he find out
who you are? Well, that's a kind of a funny story.
You see, we were using the telephone re enacting the
scenario at the Dixie Motel and a role plane scenario,
(09:52):
right right, tarned thing. I had disconnected the phone from
the wall for security, of course, of course, and well
it stepped out of the office. She plugged the phone
back into the wall and made the She placed the
call to this Hall fella, this Morgan Hall person. Got it?
(10:18):
Got it? Listen for the time being until we can
get more information on this Morgan Hall. I was thinking
I should report this to the point. No, no, no, no, Well,
I had the sound of her dialing recorded on tape.
We can figure out the phone numbers and check them
(10:40):
against reverse directory his tape. We'll want to get that. Well,
that's I mean, that's protected. Since she's a forensic patient.
I can't just hand it over. Who paid for the tape?
He's you did, who paid for the machine it was
(11:01):
recorded on. I understand, we're working together, So let's work together.
Let us let let us contain the situation has I mean,
this is a delicate operation. If you go to the police,
they'll take care on back into custody, interrupt her treatment
(11:24):
cold turkey, and probably start poking around your clinic and
asking questions. God knows what Karen will tell them if
they questioned her, and think of her. She's in a
pretty fragile state right now. Her house of cards come
come crashing down, maybe, but well connected. Not with local police.
(11:47):
I'm talking state and federal authorities. Heys all up the ladder,
how as we need to go. We put out the
word on Morgan Hall, and within twelve hours he'll either
be behind bars or too scared to show what face.
You're sure, well, I'm sure I know it's type. If
it did make you feel better, we can arrange for
(12:07):
an extra layer of security around your hospital. You want that, well,
I don't think. I mean, if you're as confident as
you say about state and federal authorities, I don't think
that will be necessary. Let me get off the phone now,
let me put out in all points, get all eyes
open and looking for Morgan Hall. I'm sure law enforcement
(12:28):
is already aware of this guy. Who knows what other
atrocities this man is committed. You should congratulate yourself has
for taking this scum off the streets. Well done, I
appreciate that. Summer Hilly. I'm going to go one more thing. Sorry,
when this is resolved, just second, please, when this is
(12:51):
all over, will they just turn Karen loose? Why shouldn't
I Well, she's in such a delicate mental state. I
feel like it could be dangerous to just put her
on the street. And we've made so much progress and
our shared objective. We should no more interrogation, no more
(13:20):
radical treatments. Okay, mission accomplished until we have Morgan Hall
under lock and key? Do you hear me Roger that
he's no more interrogation understood? I promised that I will
(13:42):
not directly involve Karen any further on my inquiry into
good Man. I'm hanging up. I gotta get the wheels
of justice in motion. You're safe? Do you think it'd
be all right if I without involving Karen directly? We
really gotta go. Heyes, call you later. Only when I'm
(14:15):
absolutely healthy again will I be released, And only by
fully cooperating with Dr Hayes. Can I ever hope to
become well again? I have no secrets. There is nothing
I can hotel Dr Hayes. If I am ever to
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get better again, I must cooperate with doctor's little sleep.
I can trust Dr. It shouldn't be I must try
absolutely healthy, trust doctorately cooperating. I'm a doctor. Can I
ever hope to think? Hows I have secret? Someone's coming? Hey? Hello,
(15:11):
Dr Hayes? How she doing? She's resting? How are you doing?
What I've been better? I apologize if I lost my
composure back there. He telephone call really left me rattled.
(15:32):
Should we be worried for her safety? She's fine for hours? Rotry.
Has Karen never spoken to you privately since she's been
in the sleep room? No? I see her when she's conscious,
(15:54):
and she's usually in no condition. She hasn't spoken any names,
given any information like this? Er try no doctor. She
once asked to make a telephone call. I noted that
in her file. Mm hmmm, so they did keep your
(16:14):
ear open. We have to involve the police, but not
until we've figured out a bit more about who this
Morgan Hall is. Make note of anything she says, whether
she's lucid or not, names especially, don't write it in
the file. Just tell me this has to do with
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the criminal charge. My wait, are you? Are you interrogating her?
Is that what this is about? So now, asking a
patient a question is considered interrogation. She was placed here
for examination and evaluation, not interrogation. Why are you trying
(17:00):
to pry information over No one's prying. I'm simply testing.
Did the court ask you to find out these answers? No?
But who did? Per Tree? You're overstepping your boundaries right
now we are understaffed. There's not a vacant bed in
the ward. The paint's peeling off the walls. But as
(17:23):
soon as Karen gets here, we have the money to
hire Gloria. Suddenly there are five brand new tape recorders, speakers, cameras,
enough female barbin sodium to tranquilize an army. Suddenly, come on,
you've got it. The drugs, the equipment, all because of her,
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Because she is a puzzle, a cipher. Solving the puzzle
will open up all sorts of resources to us, new technology,
new ideas, new collaborators. This is progress, Virtue. This is
where the where the money is, where the future lies.
(18:13):
You're used to doing things a certain way, Virtue. I
appreciate that, but we need to adapt, and that involves
certain challenges, certain risks, a certain disregard for the old
way of doing things. I say, when a doctor has
been walking the ward too long, he becomes a glorified babysitter,
(18:34):
except there's no glory in it. They say he loses
touch with his ambition. Well, I'm not ready to let
that happen. Who's they, doctor, Hayes? Big your pardon? Whose
flag are you carrying? Absolutely be released only by fully
(19:03):
cooperating with Dr Hayes. Can I ever hope to become
well again? Central State Hospital? Hello Barbe, it's vergery from
b Ward. I Um, I did something foolish and I
(19:23):
need a little help in fixing things up. Sure, what
can I help you with? Well? Dr Hayes had a
meeting I think it was last Thursday in the auditorium
with some visitors, and I was wondering, do you keep
a visitor's log or a sign in sheet or anything
like that? When when when professional guests are here? Yeah,
(19:44):
they sign in like everyone else, whether they're visiting patients
or staff. Why Well, I was supposed This is really
stupid of me, but I was running nineteen to the
dozen all morning. I had typed up a letter that
Dr Hayes dictated, and I threw away the name and
the the affiliation of the person to whom the letter
(20:07):
was intended. I want me to check the log for Dre.
Would you mind? Yes, Summer Hill is the last name
s O M E R H I L L And
And who is he with s I H s I
H E. What is that? I don't know, don't you know? Oh? Right?
(20:33):
S I H I think I misheard you. Yep, that's
who it was. I remember. Now what is s? I
A G. I gotta go since I did this? Will
you cover from good afternoon? Am A. Hello. I'm a
(21:05):
ward nurse at Central State Hospital in New Canaan, and
I'm hoping you could give me some information about a
group that's involved in medical research. Is an institutional or private?
I H, I really don't know, I'm I'm just you're
the first person I've called to. Why don't I see it? So?
(21:25):
What's the name of the group? S? I H. That's
all I know? I H. Just a second, and we
keep a record of nonprofits. So hopefully, ah, here we
go s I h E. Society for the Investigation of
(21:50):
Human Ecology. Huh I H. That's that's what you said, right,
that's right, Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology whatever
that is human nature. I guess here we go. Established
based in psychiatry department at Cornell University. Oh okay, wow.
(22:19):
Harold Wolfe is listed as founder and current president. But
this listen maybe a couple of years old. Hold On
also have an office at Georgetown Hospital, but it looks
like Cornell is the home office. Can you tell me
the name of the institutions they support? University of Illinois,
Boston's Achiatric Rutgers, University of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. Do you want
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a phone number or address? All right? Area code six
oh seven mm hmm nine four oh four. Human Ecology,
(23:12):
Good afternoon. Hello, Hi, How may I help you? My
name is Virgeri Wilburn. I'm a ward nurse at Yes,
I'd like to get some information about the s I
h What would you like to know? Um? What kind
of organization is it? Is it a private firm or
(23:37):
a government agency? Research foundation? Can you tell me about
your research? What is it you want to know? Just
general terms? Tell you what I'll read? What's in our
informational packet? Thanks? Okay. Founded in nine and housed within
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the Department of Psychiatric Medicine at Cornell University, the Society
for the Investigation of Human Ecology is a nonprofit organization
dedicated to the advancement of psychiatric study through financial and
logistical support. I see, um, I think I see. So
you do research there, No, ma'am, we don't actually conduct
(24:21):
the research ourselves, Like I said, we support other people's research.
How's that is that? That's fine, thank you. Uh, the
the the brochure you're reading from, would you be able
to send me one of those? Well, there's not much
(24:43):
in it beyond what you already know. Um. I was
interested in knowing if there was a specific focus of
the s I h S research. The s doesn't actually
can I know? Sorry, I mean as specific area of
research that the s I was interested in supporting to
(25:05):
see if my program might qualify for support. I'd be
happy to transfer you to someone within the group if
you'd like to drop a proposal or Okay, but but
we don't have a set agenda or anything like that.
M hm ms Wildern. Yes, why don't you ask the
(25:31):
question that you obviously want to ask? That's just it.
I don't know the question I should ask. Then that
makes it really impossible for me to provide an answer,
doesn't it. Have a nice day? Hello? Who is this?
(25:58):
Don't you worry? How this? M Tell me where you are?
Tell me where she is? No, so I can come
get her. That's quite impossible. Nothing's impossible. You above all
people should know that. Dr Hayes, Dr Walter, My god,
(26:24):
shall I play it again? He cracked her? Then a
cracked We still don't know how much he knows. But
Morgan knows, he knows, and that soul that really matters.
At this point, you had the voice Jesus, He even
said his name. Who is this guy? Hay Why haven't
I heard of him? Now? He is nobody? What are
(26:46):
we gonna do about Morgan? He's the one we need
to be worried about. You can control him, right, there's
no controlling you know that, Thomas. We've got to do something.
If he goes after Hayes tries to get Karen, you
could be a disaster. M hm, what aren't you curious about?
(27:09):
What to see? What would happen if Morgan got off
the leash, haven't you wondered? No, no, no, we have
to contain it. I'm not so sure. You already liberated
Dr Hayes from from the burden of ethics, and look
(27:33):
how that turned out. He finally opened his wings. Magnificent.
I wonder what would happen? I wonder what Morgan might
be capable of if we loosened his restraints. You knew
(27:54):
Morgan has no restraints. The Control Group is a production
(28:21):
of How Stuff Works, written and directed by Brett Wood,
recorded and mixed by Rob gow
The control group contains scenes of realistic violence and graphic sexuality.
It is intended for mature listeners. Hello, who is this?
Don't you worry who this? Tell me where you are?
(00:23):
Tell me where she is? No, so I can come
get her. That's quite impossible. Nothing is impossible. You above
all people should know that Dr hayes Dr Walter hay
(00:46):
in the field of psychiatric medicine, it was an exciting time,
a time of innovation and discovery, a time when mental
health institutions struggled to redefine themselves, to become something more
than repositories of the sink God. Unorthodox methods and aggressive
(01:09):
therapies were not only permitted, but encouraged. This is a
record of that time. This is the control group. Is
(01:30):
she cognizant? Just just aboutd I think at two hours?
We don't have two hours. Karen, Karen, what did he
say to you? Who was that man? Huh? I'm not
supposed to tell you that he made it very you
said his name. Say it again. I didn't say his name.
(01:53):
You said it. I heard it. We have it on tape.
So you can tell me now, or I can turn
your back over to the police. No. Better stop playing
games are answer me, dr Star, you know what's good
for you? You're tell me you I do know. We
know his name, we have his number. So at this
point i'd say you have nothing else to hide. Put
(02:18):
her under ect finnobarb nice like. No, no, please, we're
under and resume the driving tape. Stay with her until
she's sure she's asleep. Yes, sir, please, I becking you.
I'll monitor her myself. You've got to get me out
(02:41):
of here. Upon the right, right back. You don't have
to do this. Look at you, verdery, look at me.
You know? Do I need to start you down? You
know things aren't right. I know you've noticed. Think about
(03:01):
what's happening here over the past. Back No, no, no,
look around you. You've gotta trust your instincts for once.
It's not safe. It's not safe for any of us.
He's coming. He's coming here looking for me. I can't
(03:23):
be here. Well, you can't let him find still while
I put the conductor on your temples, Morgan Hall, get
his hands on me. I'm a dead woman. Down on
this dead woman. Bite down. You're just trying to stay alive.
(03:56):
We can't put your back in the ward. You'll have
to You'll have to stay in the sleep room. I'm
telling I can figure something out, okay, anything. I'll try
to keep Dr Hayes out and Gloria. I don't know
how long you can stay there without anyone discovering. Two
(04:17):
or three days? Maybe? Yes? Whatever you say? Whatever? All
right then ah Human Ecology. Give me summer Hill Godfreed.
(04:39):
If you don't, Town, I'm sorry. Dr Godfried is only
available by prior appointment summer early May. Ask please hold
a summer hill. Where the fuck is she? We've been
over this more and it's better for all of us
(05:03):
if we keep her under wraps for a while. If
she's under wraps, why did I just get a phone
call from Karen called you? Somebody better tell me what
the hell's going on real quick before fin is sequestered
in a secure facility. She's closely monitored and completely in communicado.
Now she was able to communicato. She just called me
on an unsecured line. I mean, jesus, what the hell
(05:25):
kind of operation are you clowns running? She's part of
a new project. Bullshit on that. I never approved this.
It was Gottfried's decision. She is mine. The moment she
was arrested. I should have been notified, but I wasn't.
It was public, it was news. I could have fixed it.
There was no fixing this. Trust us. This was the
(05:47):
way to go. An opportunity arose at the fish on
your opportunity. I found her, I groomed her, not you
not got freed. She's mine. I want her back. There's
no taking her back right now, it's impossible. I'm too
were satisfied that we can integrate her into the stable? No,
(06:07):
she's under wraps. I told you there's too much at you.
And I know who's got her, and I know what
bluff when I hear one. Dr Walter Hayes Central State
Hospital at New Canaan, all right, hold on would be
second floor. You had your chance to tell me, and
you didn't. But now I know. And you've got nothing
(06:28):
to say about what I do from here on? That
you got me? Is that clear enough for you? Am
I making my clear to you? It's urgent, Jesus Valerie,
it's Dr Heyes, what's going on? Old goddamn mind? You're
asking me to hole hold on? Pencil pushing pansy. You
put me on home summer Hill. Oh good, Mr summer Hill,
(06:54):
this is Walter Hayes and New Canaan has good to
hear from you. I was just discussing you with one
of my colleagues. Anything new on the research front, Yes,
I cracked her. Excuse me, Karen Myers, I got insider
at a matter of speaking. The man in the room,
the invisible man. I know who he is, I know
(07:15):
his name, everything everything. Huh so what is his name?
Morgan Hall? But there's a problem. You don't say he
he knows who I am. And for the sick, security,
(07:37):
for the patients, for Karen too. Of course, I'm worried
that this Morgan Hall person did do me a favor. Sure,
I'm going to put you on hold for a second,
bring in someone who might be able to provide an assistance.
I don't know whether or not this man is dangerous
or if I'm back Morgan Morgan, I thought Dr Hayes
(08:03):
on the other line, letting me know that he has
successfully obtained a confession from Karen, confession, and that he's
going to make sure that no no, no, no, no, no,
no no no, you do not let that head shrinker
say another word to her. Do you hear me. It's fine, Morgan,
he's part of our package. He's recording all his sessions,
(08:24):
so that what the fucking what you are letting him
pump my operative for it? I would hardly call Karen
Myers and I'm letting him get it on taper you up.
Your new thing is under our control. No, not everything.
The name one thing that we can't control me Morgan,
(08:47):
what's that supposed to mean? Morgans do with me? Hayes, Yeah, good, look,
we we we think it's probably best if you had
her on some kind of sedatives already in place, sweet therapy, ect,
(09:08):
heavy regiment, chemical hypnosis for our sessions. Jesus, okay, let's
why don't you put her back under so that she Yeah, hello,
how did this other person Morton? Did you say his
(09:28):
name was? So? Tell me how did he find out
who you are? Well, that's a kind of a funny story.
You see, we were using the telephone re enacting the
scenario at the Dixie Motel and a role plane scenario,
(09:52):
right right, tarned thing. I had disconnected the phone from
the wall for security, of course, of course, and well
it stepped out of the office. She plugged the phone
back into the wall and made the She placed the
call to this Hall fella, this Morgan Hall person. Got it?
(10:18):
Got it? Listen for the time being until we can
get more information on this Morgan Hall. I was thinking
I should report this to the point. No, no, no, no, Well,
I had the sound of her dialing recorded on tape.
We can figure out the phone numbers and check them
(10:40):
against reverse directory his tape. We'll want to get that. Well,
that's I mean, that's protected. Since she's a forensic patient.
I can't just hand it over. Who paid for the tape?
He's you did, who paid for the machine it was
(11:01):
recorded on. I understand, we're working together, So let's work together.
Let us let let us contain the situation has I mean,
this is a delicate operation. If you go to the police,
they'll take care on back into custody, interrupt her treatment
(11:24):
cold turkey, and probably start poking around your clinic and
asking questions. God knows what Karen will tell them if
they questioned her, and think of her. She's in a
pretty fragile state right now. Her house of cards come
come crashing down, maybe, but well connected. Not with local police.
(11:47):
I'm talking state and federal authorities. Heys all up the ladder,
how as we need to go. We put out the
word on Morgan Hall, and within twelve hours he'll either
be behind bars or too scared to show what face.
You're sure, well, I'm sure I know it's type. If
it did make you feel better, we can arrange for
(12:07):
an extra layer of security around your hospital. You want that, well,
I don't think. I mean, if you're as confident as
you say about state and federal authorities, I don't think
that will be necessary. Let me get off the phone now,
let me put out in all points, get all eyes
open and looking for Morgan Hall. I'm sure law enforcement
(12:28):
is already aware of this guy. Who knows what other
atrocities this man is committed. You should congratulate yourself has
for taking this scum off the streets. Well done, I
appreciate that. Summer Hilly. I'm going to go one more thing. Sorry,
when this is resolved, just second, please, when this is
(12:51):
all over, will they just turn Karen loose? Why shouldn't
I Well, she's in such a delicate mental state. I
feel like it could be dangerous to just put her
on the street. And we've made so much progress and
our shared objective. We should no more interrogation, no more
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radical treatments. Okay, mission accomplished until we have Morgan Hall
under lock and key? Do you hear me Roger that
he's no more interrogation understood? I promised that I will
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not directly involve Karen any further on my inquiry into
good Man. I'm hanging up. I gotta get the wheels
of justice in motion. You're safe? Do you think it'd
be all right if I without involving Karen directly? We
really gotta go. Heyes, call you later. Only when I'm
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absolutely healthy again will I be released, And only by
fully cooperating with Dr Hayes. Can I ever hope to
become well again? I have no secrets. There is nothing
I can hotel Dr Hayes. If I am ever to
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get better again, I must cooperate with doctor's little sleep.
I can trust Dr. It shouldn't be I must try
absolutely healthy, trust doctorately cooperating. I'm a doctor. Can I
ever hope to think? Hows I have secret? Someone's coming? Hey? Hello,
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Dr Hayes? How she doing? She's resting? How are you doing?
What I've been better? I apologize if I lost my
composure back there. He telephone call really left me rattled.
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Should we be worried for her safety? She's fine for hours? Rotry.
Has Karen never spoken to you privately since she's been
in the sleep room? No? I see her when she's conscious,
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and she's usually in no condition. She hasn't spoken any names,
given any information like this? Er try no doctor. She
once asked to make a telephone call. I noted that
in her file. Mm hmmm, so they did keep your
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ear open. We have to involve the police, but not
until we've figured out a bit more about who this
Morgan Hall is. Make note of anything she says, whether
she's lucid or not, names especially, don't write it in
the file. Just tell me this has to do with
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the criminal charge. My wait, are you? Are you interrogating her?
Is that what this is about? So now, asking a
patient a question is considered interrogation. She was placed here
for examination and evaluation, not interrogation. Why are you trying
(17:00):
to pry information over No one's prying. I'm simply testing.
Did the court ask you to find out these answers? No?
But who did? Per Tree? You're overstepping your boundaries right
now we are understaffed. There's not a vacant bed in
the ward. The paint's peeling off the walls. But as
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soon as Karen gets here, we have the money to
hire Gloria. Suddenly there are five brand new tape recorders, speakers, cameras,
enough female barbin sodium to tranquilize an army. Suddenly, come on,
you've got it. The drugs, the equipment, all because of her,
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Because she is a puzzle, a cipher. Solving the puzzle
will open up all sorts of resources to us, new technology,
new ideas, new collaborators. This is progress, Virtue. This is
where the where the money is, where the future lies.
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You're used to doing things a certain way, Virtue. I
appreciate that, but we need to adapt, and that involves
certain challenges, certain risks, a certain disregard for the old
way of doing things. I say, when a doctor has
been walking the ward too long, he becomes a glorified babysitter,
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except there's no glory in it. They say he loses
touch with his ambition. Well, I'm not ready to let
that happen. Who's they, doctor, Hayes? Big your pardon? Whose
flag are you carrying? Absolutely be released only by fully
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cooperating with Dr Hayes. Can I ever hope to become
well again? Central State Hospital? Hello Barbe, it's vergery from
b Ward. I Um, I did something foolish and I
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need a little help in fixing things up. Sure, what
can I help you with? Well? Dr Hayes had a
meeting I think it was last Thursday in the auditorium
with some visitors, and I was wondering, do you keep
a visitor's log or a sign in sheet or anything
like that? When when when professional guests are here? Yeah,
(19:44):
they sign in like everyone else, whether they're visiting patients
or staff. Why Well, I was supposed This is really
stupid of me, but I was running nineteen to the
dozen all morning. I had typed up a letter that
Dr Hayes dictated, and I threw away the name and
the the affiliation of the person to whom the letter
(20:07):
was intended. I want me to check the log for Dre.
Would you mind? Yes, Summer Hill is the last name
s O M E R H I L L And
And who is he with s I H s I
H E. What is that? I don't know, don't you know? Oh? Right?
(20:33):
S I H I think I misheard you. Yep, that's
who it was. I remember. Now what is s? I
A G. I gotta go since I did this? Will
you cover from good afternoon? Am A. Hello. I'm a
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ward nurse at Central State Hospital in New Canaan, and
I'm hoping you could give me some information about a
group that's involved in medical research. Is an institutional or private?
I H, I really don't know, I'm I'm just you're
the first person I've called to. Why don't I see it? So?
(21:25):
What's the name of the group? S? I H. That's
all I know? I H. Just a second, and we
keep a record of nonprofits. So hopefully, ah, here we
go s I h E. Society for the Investigation of
(21:50):
Human Ecology. Huh I H. That's that's what you said, right,
that's right, Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology whatever
that is human nature. I guess here we go. Established
based in psychiatry department at Cornell University. Oh okay, wow.
(22:19):
Harold Wolfe is listed as founder and current president. But
this listen maybe a couple of years old. Hold On
also have an office at Georgetown Hospital, but it looks
like Cornell is the home office. Can you tell me
the name of the institutions they support? University of Illinois,
Boston's Achiatric Rutgers, University of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. Do you want
(22:43):
a phone number or address? All right? Area code six
oh seven mm hmm nine four oh four. Human Ecology,
(23:12):
Good afternoon. Hello, Hi, How may I help you? My
name is Virgeri Wilburn. I'm a ward nurse at Yes,
I'd like to get some information about the s I
h What would you like to know? Um? What kind
of organization is it? Is it a private firm or
(23:37):
a government agency? Research foundation? Can you tell me about
your research? What is it you want to know? Just
general terms? Tell you what I'll read? What's in our
informational packet? Thanks? Okay. Founded in nine and housed within
(23:57):
the Department of Psychiatric Medicine at Cornell University, the Society
for the Investigation of Human Ecology is a nonprofit organization
dedicated to the advancement of psychiatric study through financial and
logistical support. I see, um, I think I see. So
you do research there, No, ma'am, we don't actually conduct
(24:21):
the research ourselves, Like I said, we support other people's research.
How's that is that? That's fine, thank you. Uh, the
the the brochure you're reading from, would you be able
to send me one of those? Well, there's not much
(24:43):
in it beyond what you already know. Um. I was
interested in knowing if there was a specific focus of
the s I h S research. The s doesn't actually
can I know? Sorry, I mean as specific area of
research that the s I was interested in supporting to
(25:05):
see if my program might qualify for support. I'd be
happy to transfer you to someone within the group if
you'd like to drop a proposal or Okay, but but
we don't have a set agenda or anything like that.
M hm ms Wildern. Yes, why don't you ask the
(25:31):
question that you obviously want to ask? That's just it.
I don't know the question I should ask. Then that
makes it really impossible for me to provide an answer,
doesn't it. Have a nice day? Hello? Who is this?
(25:58):
Don't you worry? How this? M Tell me where you are?
Tell me where she is? No, so I can come
get her. That's quite impossible. Nothing's impossible. You above all
people should know that. Dr Hayes, Dr Walter, My god,
(26:24):
shall I play it again? He cracked her? Then a
cracked We still don't know how much he knows. But
Morgan knows, he knows, and that soul that really matters.
At this point, you had the voice Jesus, He even
said his name. Who is this guy? Hay Why haven't
I heard of him? Now? He is nobody? What are
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we gonna do about Morgan? He's the one we need
to be worried about. You can control him, right, there's
no controlling you know that, Thomas. We've got to do something.
If he goes after Hayes tries to get Karen, you
could be a disaster. M hm, what aren't you curious about?
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What to see? What would happen if Morgan got off
the leash, haven't you wondered? No, no, no, we have
to contain it. I'm not so sure. You already liberated
Dr Hayes from from the burden of ethics, and look
(27:33):
how that turned out. He finally opened his wings. Magnificent.
I wonder what would happen? I wonder what Morgan might
be capable of if we loosened his restraints. You knew
(27:54):
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