September 11, 2025 • 25 mins
In this edition of Hot-Crossed Trends, Jack and Miles discuss the assassination of Charlie Kirk, some Eurovision drama and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of Hot
Cross Trends. Hot Cross Trends. One a trendy to a trendy,
Hot Cross trends.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
See how they trend, See how they trend. It's three
blind mice. I think it is, yo, they ripped off
three blind mice.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Bro total you think three blind mice was like a
banger everybody knew about and then like the cross Bun
Hot Cross Buns, people like bought that for their ad
and like.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I don't know, man, you know what I mean? All
I know is I heard Scooter Brown was behind it.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So it was like the equivalent of Seal going on
a Mountain dew commercial.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
It's probably more like when Soldier Boy accused Drake of
stealing his whole flow right right, you know he's.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Like, that's me.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
It was back when they only had three notes that
they knew about. Damn bro, you know he put him
in that order? What the fuck? A ball cousin?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Marvin Berry, Marvin three blind mice?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
All right, my name is Jack O'Brien. That over there
is mister Miles Gray. Yeah, this is the episode where
we tell you what is trending? We were recording this
on September eleventh, at about eleven am in the morning,
the day after Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Was murdered, and everybody watched it.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I think that's like a thing that's I don't know,
like there's been a lot of death on you know,
social media videos, but just there does feel like something
new about how many people saw this happen immediately, like
all the gory, like I saw I saw it happen
on the New York Times homepage within an hour after
(01:58):
it happening, like I saw the video of it.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, and it's it just feels like.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Significant that that's a thing that I feel like is
hitting people's nervous systems, like, uh, in a way that
is probably you know, you know, I don't think there's
ever been anything like that.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I used to Yeah, I mean we used to live
in a time like if you really wanted to see
something gruesome, like you had to put the effort in,
you know, like you'd have to go on readit or
fucking nothing toxic back in the day, rotten dot com
so shit like that, whereas like now it's being just
straight up I just remember when we were recording yesterday
Justin's like, guys, Charlie Kirk just got shot, and I
(02:44):
just went to Twitter to read whatever the report was,
and then the fucking there were like two angles immediately that.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Were being served up to you.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah, that's a little that was jarring for sure. And
it's yeah, I like everyone that I was texting yesterday too.
There were like people who were like basically saying, like, dude,
I didn't even want to see it, and I fucking
saw it. And then other people were like, I'm just
trying to fucking avoicing any kind of murder video right now,
and I'm like, yeah, sure.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It's it's fucking gruesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
So I don't know what we'll get into, you know,
the political moment, and you know, I guess the big
thing is that another sort of new bearer that we're
crossing is like the way Trump responded to it, yeah,
by you know, making a statement from the Oval Office
immediately blaming what he called the radical left, yeah, for
(03:40):
Kirk's death. Like it was language. It was language that
is critical of his ideology. Is what he is saying,
is what he's like essentially waging war on.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
He said, quote, this kind of rhetoric is directly responsible
for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today,
and it must stop right now. My administration will find
each and every one of those who contributed to this
atrocity and to other political violence, including the organizations that
fund and support it, as well as those who go
after our judges.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Law enforcement, and other blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Blah, Like yeah, it's and then you also see all
these other people MAGA figures who are being like the
gloves are off, it's time, Like, yeah, it's it's war.
I call on you to invoke the Insurrection Act and
go full blown just cross into you know, full authoritarianism
in the United States. Yeah, and this is something, like
(04:32):
I said, we've been talking about like they're this administration
is looking for a reason to really to blow up
the norms that we have.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I mean they're already completely they're an abuseful parent. That's like,
give me a reason.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
And yeah, there this feels like you know, we were
talking about how Putin. We we like to compare this
administration to Putin because there's a really smart writer m
Guesson who lived through Putin kind of sweep to authoritarian
power and now lives in the United States and is
like this is exactly, this is on schedule. And one
(05:09):
of the things that happened with Putin was a bombing
of an apartment building. Turned out that was, you know,
an inside job most likely, like all evidence points to
it being an inside job, and he used that as
an excuse to seize power. And we've been speculating as
to like what that would be for Trump and this
(05:33):
feels like, I'm sure it's not going to be one thing,
but this certainly feels like straight up saying like we're
going to go after anybody who contributed to this, and
the contributions being anybody who like compared the Trump administration
to Nazis, And to mind he's saying this, we're recording
(05:54):
this like they still no one has been arrested, no
motive has been determined. They have an image of a
person of interest, they have an image of a person
of interest, they found the weapon, They found the weapon.
They say that there are trans ideologies, and.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
The Wall Street Journal posted and then everyone else is
not reporting that. And there was even a comment from
another like official with the investigations, like it's way too
early to be saying things like this, like what is
a Wall Street Journal doing.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
But I think it cargoes into the bullets, which feels.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Very Yeah, it feels very like this is how you're
giving someone a neat sequence of events to then be like,
and this is why now we are going to just
do summary executions in the street of people. Yeah, like it.
It feels like that is where they're headed for. That's
what they're going for.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Me people people were like, you know, on the other hand,
like Trump, somebody shot at Trump and everybody forgot about
it a week later.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
But I don't think that's happening here. I don't think
this is.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
It's about It's about how much the media makes you know,
like that's really what all what it all boils down
to in the US, it's how much the media keeps
talking about it. Like we saw that with the Epstein thing,
like they took their foot off. There's still clearly people
who I mean, there's just a Bloomberg just published a
bunch of emails today. Yeah that was like between Galaine
Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein where he's like, take Trump off
(07:17):
that one list and you're like, what the fuck what list?
But I mean, yeah, the amount of energy that you're seeing,
especially from like the extreme parts of the extreme parts
of the MAGA online influencer set. I mean, like they're
they're really they're they're they're using this to say like
(07:41):
this is war, it's time for war, like with like
you know, there's no compromise with evil. And I think
the one thing you know you do look at is
like that that is a subset of a larger group,
and it's not It's not the main thing.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
However, Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Is one of the more well known, like you know,
right wing influencers, so this is clearly going to resonate
with a lot of people on the right.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I just mean the combination of it being somebody that
everybody like, I don't know if he's a household name
for other people, but I feel like he had. I mean,
he was a fucking South Park character, Like he was
pretty much a household name. The graphicness of it and
the immediacy of it, and the fact that it's being
prosecuted before they've even like they even know what happens
(08:27):
just makes it feel particularly bollatile.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
And also, was it Trump that basically confirmed Was he
the first one to confirm that he died?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
It seemed like that was that's where I saw it,
and I'm just like, what's What's where I got my
news from.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, he's one of my favorite reporters.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
I mean, I think the thing that I really grapple
with is, like I aid, obviously, people who was in
the show know, we fucking do not not into anything
Charlie Kirk says.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
It's everything he says, fucking abhorring. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
But the the thing that I've really like grappled with
a is seeing immediately like the weird revisionist like hay
geographies that people are posting about Charlie Kirk, or like
people talking about his work without actually discussing the like
the specifics of what he would talk about, what his
(09:19):
values were.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, and that's kind of been across the board.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, I think because suddenly it's like, well, don't don't
don't don't you know, don't drag him through the mud
or whatever. I'm like, objectively, this is what he stood
for h And I think to act as if that
weren't the case, I think is a disservice. And also
I think it's I don't know, it doesn't surprise me
given how much we've seen the media capitulate to the
right and not want to be seen as being improper.
(09:45):
But again, and we'll talk about this on probably on
tomorrow show, and just throughout the week or however long,
this story continues to eat up all the air. It's like,
this isn't how conservatives react at all when political violence
is coming from their side. Not to say this is
come from the left or anything, but just generally, if
the victim is a Democrat or someone on the left,
it's a joke, it's it's memes or whatever.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, yeah, there were two politicians assassinated earlier this year,
and well yeah, one yeah, her it was Melissa I
think what was her name, Melissa, Oh yeah, politician and
her husband her husband, and then another was shot along
with their golden retriever by a Trump supporter. But I mean,
at the end of the day, like I'm kind of
netting out to I for someone who preached anti empathy
(10:32):
all the time, I'm I'm shockingly finding it hard for
myself to have empathy for him in this case.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I do.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I don't think people deserve to die for what their
views are, because I certainly don't feel like I deserve them,
and I don't deserve harm for what my beliefs are.
But at the same time, uh, I like when you
look at how this man would even speak about deaths
of people who look like me, and how flippant he.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Was about that.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, I struggle to find the grief or to like
try and mourn that. I'm just I'm like, I'd probably
just keep it moving, the same way Charlie Kirk would
keep it moving when you know, people of color or
trans people die and it just becomes more of a
talking point for him to sort of raw raw the
development of the United States is like a white nationalist entity.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Even for I definitely, I think my grief is for
the people like going forward. You know, well, first of all,
I don't think I don't like violence of any any sort.
And then just going forward, the violence that's going to
be enacted on behalf of this event.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
That's the freakiest thing is what what they are going
to try and justify with this killing, you know, And
I think that's all. I mean, You've seen the flimsiest
shit be used as a justification for some really terrible policies.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, So for something like for an event that is
like this visceral.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yes, that's the Yeah, how this world is to have
everybody have seen that happen immediately, I think is you know,
it's going to be a thing that we're going to
have to reckon with. I mean, the other thing that
we just always like to bring up because I'm not
giving up on it yet. Control the You know, nobody's
(12:24):
saying anything about guns. Just open carry is legal on
university and college campuses in Utah with very few exceptions.
Those laws were loosened a few months ago where they
were like, well, well, eighteen year olds aren't allowed to
carry guns, so they loosen the laws to allow for
teenagers to open carry weapons on college campuses. There's something
(12:50):
about me, call me old fashioned, but I feel like
the natural order of things should be when you see
someone with a gun, somebody should shout he's got a gun.
Everybody should like go scattering and heading towards the world,
where like, you know, this shooter could like blend in
with a campus full of people with guns. It is
(13:11):
probably not the best natural state of things.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, yeah, I mean there's so many things, so the
natural state of so many things is really yeah, really
could be a lot better. But yeah, I mean I
think it's it's just this is kind of like I
don't know, I'm really really bracing myself to hear like
how this is going to ramp up because the other
(13:35):
part is too like for how sloppy the investigation is,
it's just creating an information vacuum where people are like
first cash, buttell's like we got someone.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Oh wait, no that was we got another guy. Okay, no,
that was that. That's those people had nothing to do
with it.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
But that chaos allows for what they like, which is
a lot of theories, a lot of fulminating ideas right now,
Like there's a lot of people, Like one of the
top headlines on Drudge is like multiple eyewitnesses say there
were multiple people involved in the shooting, like that it
was a conspiracy, which is always a thing that you
(14:12):
see in the aftermath of a shooting, is like that.
There's the show on the media like studies, you know,
media accounts and media biases and media myths, and they
point what one of their like keys is that like
anytime there's a shooting, there's always a bias towards people
being like there were multiple shooters or there was like
a it was a team of people, and almost always
(14:35):
it ends up being just like a single person, but like, yeah,
I was watching some eyewitness be like yeah, and like
somebody was one person asked the question, and that person
asked a question about trans rights right before he was shot,
And first of all, that wasn't the question that was
asked for before he was shot. And also like and
people are like there was somebody behind him making signaling,
(14:58):
signaling like baseball signals, which first of all, I just
I haven't watched that video because I don't want to
watch this person get murdered again. But I there's just
not American signed pulling.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
No, it's like pulling the ear and like touching the
brim of the hat and like touching the arm.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I don't know, like it.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
There's a thing that happened immediately after the Zapruder film
was made public where people noticed that as the Kennedy
motorcade drove by, like you know, seconds before he was assassinated,
there was someone standing right on the side of the
motorcade who like put up an umbrella, like raised an umbrella,
(15:40):
and everyone was like that was a It was like
a perfectly clear blue day. Why would somebody raising an
umbrella if it hadn't been like some sort of signal
and that was like a real like person of interest,
and like conspiracy theories were obsessed with that for years
with them and then they like finally found the person
and it was just like the guy ended up being
(16:01):
someone who is like protesting some policy of like Joseph
Kennedy like and like it was like some weird political
cartoon ass act of protest that like had absolutely nothing
to do with it. But it's just when you're examining
like every single like angle of a crowd of like
(16:23):
hundreds of people, you're gonna be able to like find
whatever you're you know, you're gonna be able to find
weird shit.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Mm hmm ah, Well don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I mean, yeah, they we live in a real fucking
great time for this kind of confusion because between that
and fucking AI nonsense, who knows what kind of like
I yeah, man, I'm just I think Ben Collins posted
something on Blue Sky just sort of like kind of
like I think I'm like in a pre grief stage
for like whatever Imperial Boomerang with X ray Vision is
(16:55):
about to come.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Back at us.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, it's about to be bad, and I think that
it's been bad but that Another thing that m Guessen
always says about the rise of authoritarianism in Russia is
it can always get worse. Like it and it does
get worse, You'll you'll be like, well, how could it
get worse? It's like this is as bad as it
(17:18):
can be, and then a year later you look back
and be like, man, we could have done something then,
we could have like protested, we could have like pushed
back back then. Now it's like so much worse. Yeah,
And I feel like that is you know anybody who's like,
what are you talking about? It's bad, It's been bad.
It's like, yeah, there are levels of bad.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
And I feel like, yeah, think about the worst place
on earth you can think of, Right, it could get
there and even worse at some point, you know. And
I think that's you know, like you see people really
I've read articles where people are like really trying to
to say.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Like, come on now, let's cool our jets.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Like one conservative I think person was posting about being
like I'm seeing some really wacky shit being posted from
people who I know as good Christians that I just
want to like, you know, like this person was calling
for calm and didn't seem to be connecting much. But yeah,
I think this is just such a it's such a
(18:14):
really uh, this is such a very unique situation because
you have someone who has like a track record of
like hate speech.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
And then because of the you know where power lies
right now in this country on the political spectrum, Like
you're seeing this sort of like this version of talking
about Charlie Kirk without talking about what his work was
or what he stood for. Yeah, and then you also
have people like you know, the like the woman who
runs libs of TikTok who like is like of, yes,
(18:45):
I'm proud to be a stochastic terrorist.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
It's like what in the past in the past.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like it's just you're seeing that. It's yeah, yeah,
and it and it makes perfect sense because this is
exactly how they need to operate to continue, you know,
forging ahead with this.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, transformation.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I mean we've talked for a long time on the
show about like the sampling error that white supremacy takes
advantage of where you know, everything from like the local
news being more likely to show disproportionately like crimes committed
by black and brown people. Then is the actual case,
you know, from the start, they've taken advantage of that.
(19:27):
Anytime you know, there's a crime that supports the their
white supremacist view of the world, they show you that,
and they are less likely to show you the crimes
that don't support that. And now this sort of right
leaning authoritarian government is using that to make it so
(19:49):
that we only see and react to act you know,
Trump mentioned acts of political violence and didn't mention what
the January sixth even, yeah, January sixth, the people who
were assassinated earlier this year. Paul Pelosi, Yeah, Paul Pelosi exactly.
They just made a joke about Paul Pelosi right away.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Yeah, I think it's just again, I'm I mean, you know,
being a person of color in this country, I'm not
surprised when you know, you see a lack of empathy
go to the people who are who's succumbed to the
systems of oppression that exists in this country.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Right, And to see an emphasis on this person's life
without acknowledging that he stood for the just abject hatred
of other people and qualifying, you know, he had a
very narrow definition of what was an American, Yes, and
not see the same empathy go towards the marginalized people
(20:50):
who he was targeting in the broader conservative movement is targeting.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, that was their lives every day because of those policies.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yeah, and like, and that's where I'm like when you're like,
but the everything in the media is like, oh my god,
like you know, like there's so much emphasis on this,
and all I can think of is the countless other
people who get no mention right for the way their
lives are ended prematurely, and like kind of grappling with
that as a real fucking mind fuck.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
But yeah, that's what living in America in twenty twenty
five is. Like.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, I writer Jam pointed out that things are getting
so crazy out there that Paddington Bear had to delete
a tweet because earlier in the day Paddington posted today
is the day to try something new, and people immediately
started like retweeting retweeting that after the assassination happened, and
so they Paddington took that down there, like that's not what's.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Not what I'm I'm Paddington Bear. Okay, I'm not. I
don't know what you think I am. I'm just I'm
just a bear. Guys. Let's take a quick break. We'll
be right back, and we're back. We're back.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I guess just continue. I mean it is, it is
nine to eleven. Jdvans is reportedly pulling out of a
nine to eleven memorial ceremony in New York in order
to travel to Utah and pay respects to the family
of Charlie Kirk. But Donald Trump will still go to
New York in order to attend the Yankees game. The
Yankees had held a big moment of silence for Charlie Kirk,
(22:26):
So they're kind of becoming a symbol or like something
that Trump is using. And there will be a pregame
ceremony at the Yankees game to recognize the victims and
heroes of nine to eleven, and also to honor Trump
Tower looking so much taller after the World Trade Center's collapse.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I don't oh, yeah, that was yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I think it was the day of nine to eleven,
perhaps the day after he went on a radio show
and was talking about what a tragedy it was and
couldn't help but squeeze in a brag that also he
Trump Tower was now I think incorrectly he said was
now the tallest.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Of course, incorrectly and it's redundant when mentioning anything that
he utters.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, all right, should we talk to Eurovision Miles, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Know, it's just just to switch gears really quick. Ireland
out here coming, I mean, yeah, Ireland.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
They're joining countries like Iceland, Slovenia and Spain who have
basically stated that they would be withdrawing from the music
competition if Israel is allowed to compete, you know, because
of like the genocide and all the other violence.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
That's happening around the region. Yeah, they're committing.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
So in a statement Thursday, RTE, which is the broadcaster
there and in Ireland, said that participating quote would be
an unconscious would be unconscionable given the ongoing and appalling
loss of lives in Gaza. The group that's behind Eurovision
like they're they they they're gathering for like the next
few months, and they said they're going to be making
a decision whether or not Israel be allowed to participate
(24:02):
this year. And they're doing their best, they said to
like we're trying to balance the geopolitical tensions and figure
out what is the best decision to make going forward.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
But it's like interesting when.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
You juxtapose that with the fact that like Russia got
booted out of the competition with the quickness when they
invaded Ukraine. Yet determining whether or not Israel should participate,
is that real head scratcher.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
You're like, uh, okay, well, let's I think you can.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I think you can just arrive at the right decision,
because I mean, like, if you think about last year's
Eurovision contests, they were like all kinds of protests.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Happening when the Israeli artist was performing. So we'll see,
we'll see, we will see.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
All right, those are some of the things that are
trending on this Thursday, September eleventh. We're back tomorrow with
a whole last episode of the show. Until then, be
kind to each other, be kind to yourselves, get your
vaccines while you still can get your flu.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Shots, but you still can. Don't do nothing about white sopri.
I'm a scene and we will talk to you all tomorrow.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
See how they trend, See how they trend. It's three
blind mice. I think it is, yo, they ripped off
three blind mice.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Bro total you think three blind mice was like a
banger everybody knew about and then like the cross Bun
Hot Cross Buns, people like bought that for their ad
and like.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I don't know, man, you know what I mean? All
I know is I heard Scooter Brown was behind it.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
So it was like the equivalent of Seal going on
a Mountain dew commercial.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
It's probably more like when Soldier Boy accused Drake of
stealing his whole flow right right, you know he's.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Like, that's me.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
It was back when they only had three notes that
they knew about. Damn bro, you know he put him
in that order? What the fuck? A ball cousin?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Marvin Berry, Marvin three blind mice?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
All right, my name is Jack O'Brien. That over there
is mister Miles Gray. Yeah, this is the episode where
we tell you what is trending? We were recording this
on September eleventh, at about eleven am in the morning,
the day after Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Was murdered, and everybody watched it.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I think that's like a thing that's I don't know,
like there's been a lot of death on you know,
social media videos, but just there does feel like something
new about how many people saw this happen immediately, like
all the gory, like I saw I saw it happen
on the New York Times homepage within an hour after
(01:58):
it happening, like I saw the video of it.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, and it's it just feels like.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Significant that that's a thing that I feel like is
hitting people's nervous systems, like, uh, in a way that
is probably you know, you know, I don't think there's
ever been anything like that.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I used to Yeah, I mean we used to live
in a time like if you really wanted to see
something gruesome, like you had to put the effort in,
you know, like you'd have to go on readit or
fucking nothing toxic back in the day, rotten dot com
so shit like that, whereas like now it's being just
straight up I just remember when we were recording yesterday
Justin's like, guys, Charlie Kirk just got shot, and I
(02:44):
just went to Twitter to read whatever the report was,
and then the fucking there were like two angles immediately that.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Were being served up to you.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah, that's a little that was jarring for sure. And
it's yeah, I like everyone that I was texting yesterday too.
There were like people who were like basically saying, like, dude,
I didn't even want to see it, and I fucking
saw it. And then other people were like, I'm just
trying to fucking avoicing any kind of murder video right now,
and I'm like, yeah, sure.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
It's it's fucking gruesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
So I don't know what we'll get into, you know,
the political moment, and you know, I guess the big
thing is that another sort of new bearer that we're
crossing is like the way Trump responded to it, yeah,
by you know, making a statement from the Oval Office
immediately blaming what he called the radical left, yeah, for
(03:40):
Kirk's death. Like it was language. It was language that
is critical of his ideology. Is what he is saying,
is what he's like essentially waging war on.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
He said, quote, this kind of rhetoric is directly responsible
for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today,
and it must stop right now. My administration will find
each and every one of those who contributed to this
atrocity and to other political violence, including the organizations that
fund and support it, as well as those who go
after our judges.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Law enforcement, and other blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Blah, Like yeah, it's and then you also see all
these other people MAGA figures who are being like the
gloves are off, it's time, Like, yeah, it's it's war.
I call on you to invoke the Insurrection Act and
go full blown just cross into you know, full authoritarianism
in the United States. Yeah, and this is something, like
(04:32):
I said, we've been talking about like they're this administration
is looking for a reason to really to blow up
the norms that we have.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I mean they're already completely they're an abuseful parent. That's like,
give me a reason.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
And yeah, there this feels like you know, we were
talking about how Putin. We we like to compare this
administration to Putin because there's a really smart writer m
Guesson who lived through Putin kind of sweep to authoritarian
power and now lives in the United States and is
like this is exactly, this is on schedule. And one
(05:09):
of the things that happened with Putin was a bombing
of an apartment building. Turned out that was, you know,
an inside job most likely, like all evidence points to
it being an inside job, and he used that as
an excuse to seize power. And we've been speculating as
to like what that would be for Trump and this
(05:33):
feels like, I'm sure it's not going to be one thing,
but this certainly feels like straight up saying like we're
going to go after anybody who contributed to this, and
the contributions being anybody who like compared the Trump administration
to Nazis, And to mind he's saying this, we're recording
(05:54):
this like they still no one has been arrested, no
motive has been determined. They have an image of a
person of interest, they have an image of a person
of interest, they found the weapon, They found the weapon.
They say that there are trans ideologies, and.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
The Wall Street Journal posted and then everyone else is
not reporting that. And there was even a comment from
another like official with the investigations, like it's way too
early to be saying things like this, like what is
a Wall Street Journal doing.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
But I think it cargoes into the bullets, which feels.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Very Yeah, it feels very like this is how you're
giving someone a neat sequence of events to then be like,
and this is why now we are going to just
do summary executions in the street of people. Yeah, like it.
It feels like that is where they're headed for. That's
what they're going for.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Me people people were like, you know, on the other hand,
like Trump, somebody shot at Trump and everybody forgot about
it a week later.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
But I don't think that's happening here. I don't think
this is.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
It's about It's about how much the media makes you know,
like that's really what all what it all boils down
to in the US, it's how much the media keeps
talking about it. Like we saw that with the Epstein thing,
like they took their foot off. There's still clearly people
who I mean, there's just a Bloomberg just published a
bunch of emails today. Yeah that was like between Galaine
Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein where he's like, take Trump off
(07:17):
that one list and you're like, what the fuck what list?
But I mean, yeah, the amount of energy that you're seeing,
especially from like the extreme parts of the extreme parts
of the MAGA online influencer set. I mean, like they're
they're really they're they're they're using this to say like
(07:41):
this is war, it's time for war, like with like
you know, there's no compromise with evil. And I think
the one thing you know you do look at is
like that that is a subset of a larger group,
and it's not It's not the main thing.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
However, Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Is one of the more well known, like you know,
right wing influencers, so this is clearly going to resonate
with a lot of people on the right.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I just mean the combination of it being somebody that
everybody like, I don't know if he's a household name
for other people, but I feel like he had. I mean,
he was a fucking South Park character, Like he was
pretty much a household name. The graphicness of it and
the immediacy of it, and the fact that it's being
prosecuted before they've even like they even know what happens
(08:27):
just makes it feel particularly bollatile.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
And also, was it Trump that basically confirmed Was he
the first one to confirm that he died?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
It seemed like that was that's where I saw it,
and I'm just like, what's What's where I got my
news from.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, he's one of my favorite reporters.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
I mean, I think the thing that I really grapple
with is, like I aid, obviously, people who was in
the show know, we fucking do not not into anything
Charlie Kirk says.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
It's everything he says, fucking abhorring. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
But the the thing that I've really like grappled with
a is seeing immediately like the weird revisionist like hay
geographies that people are posting about Charlie Kirk, or like
people talking about his work without actually discussing the like
the specifics of what he would talk about, what his
(09:19):
values were.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, and that's kind of been across the board.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, I think because suddenly it's like, well, don't don't
don't don't you know, don't drag him through the mud
or whatever. I'm like, objectively, this is what he stood
for h And I think to act as if that
weren't the case, I think is a disservice. And also
I think it's I don't know, it doesn't surprise me
given how much we've seen the media capitulate to the
right and not want to be seen as being improper.
(09:45):
But again, and we'll talk about this on probably on
tomorrow show, and just throughout the week or however long,
this story continues to eat up all the air. It's like,
this isn't how conservatives react at all when political violence
is coming from their side. Not to say this is
come from the left or anything, but just generally, if
the victim is a Democrat or someone on the left,
it's a joke, it's it's memes or whatever.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, yeah, there were two politicians assassinated earlier this year,
and well yeah, one yeah, her it was Melissa I
think what was her name, Melissa, Oh yeah, politician and
her husband her husband, and then another was shot along
with their golden retriever by a Trump supporter. But I mean,
at the end of the day, like I'm kind of
netting out to I for someone who preached anti empathy
(10:32):
all the time, I'm I'm shockingly finding it hard for
myself to have empathy for him in this case.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I do.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I don't think people deserve to die for what their
views are, because I certainly don't feel like I deserve them,
and I don't deserve harm for what my beliefs are.
But at the same time, uh, I like when you
look at how this man would even speak about deaths
of people who look like me, and how flippant he.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Was about that.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, I struggle to find the grief or to like
try and mourn that. I'm just I'm like, I'd probably
just keep it moving, the same way Charlie Kirk would
keep it moving when you know, people of color or
trans people die and it just becomes more of a
talking point for him to sort of raw raw the
development of the United States is like a white nationalist entity.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Even for I definitely, I think my grief is for
the people like going forward. You know, well, first of all,
I don't think I don't like violence of any any sort.
And then just going forward, the violence that's going to
be enacted on behalf of this event.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
That's the freakiest thing is what what they are going
to try and justify with this killing, you know, And
I think that's all. I mean, You've seen the flimsiest
shit be used as a justification for some really terrible policies.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, So for something like for an event that is
like this visceral.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yes, that's the Yeah, how this world is to have
everybody have seen that happen immediately, I think is you know,
it's going to be a thing that we're going to
have to reckon with. I mean, the other thing that
we just always like to bring up because I'm not
giving up on it yet. Control the You know, nobody's
(12:24):
saying anything about guns. Just open carry is legal on
university and college campuses in Utah with very few exceptions.
Those laws were loosened a few months ago where they
were like, well, well, eighteen year olds aren't allowed to
carry guns, so they loosen the laws to allow for
teenagers to open carry weapons on college campuses. There's something
(12:50):
about me, call me old fashioned, but I feel like
the natural order of things should be when you see
someone with a gun, somebody should shout he's got a gun.
Everybody should like go scattering and heading towards the world,
where like, you know, this shooter could like blend in
with a campus full of people with guns. It is
(13:11):
probably not the best natural state of things.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, yeah, I mean there's so many things, so the
natural state of so many things is really yeah, really
could be a lot better. But yeah, I mean I
think it's it's just this is kind of like I
don't know, I'm really really bracing myself to hear like
how this is going to ramp up because the other
(13:35):
part is too like for how sloppy the investigation is,
it's just creating an information vacuum where people are like
first cash, buttell's like we got someone.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Oh wait, no that was we got another guy. Okay, no,
that was that. That's those people had nothing to do
with it.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
But that chaos allows for what they like, which is
a lot of theories, a lot of fulminating ideas right now,
Like there's a lot of people, Like one of the
top headlines on Drudge is like multiple eyewitnesses say there
were multiple people involved in the shooting, like that it
was a conspiracy, which is always a thing that you
(14:12):
see in the aftermath of a shooting, is like that.
There's the show on the media like studies, you know,
media accounts and media biases and media myths, and they
point what one of their like keys is that like
anytime there's a shooting, there's always a bias towards people
being like there were multiple shooters or there was like
a it was a team of people, and almost always
(14:35):
it ends up being just like a single person, but like, yeah,
I was watching some eyewitness be like yeah, and like
somebody was one person asked the question, and that person
asked a question about trans rights right before he was shot,
And first of all, that wasn't the question that was
asked for before he was shot. And also like and
people are like there was somebody behind him making signaling,
(14:58):
signaling like baseball signals, which first of all, I just
I haven't watched that video because I don't want to
watch this person get murdered again. But I there's just
not American signed pulling.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
No, it's like pulling the ear and like touching the
brim of the hat and like touching the arm.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I don't know, like it.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
There's a thing that happened immediately after the Zapruder film
was made public where people noticed that as the Kennedy
motorcade drove by, like you know, seconds before he was assassinated,
there was someone standing right on the side of the
motorcade who like put up an umbrella, like raised an umbrella,
(15:40):
and everyone was like that was a It was like
a perfectly clear blue day. Why would somebody raising an
umbrella if it hadn't been like some sort of signal
and that was like a real like person of interest,
and like conspiracy theories were obsessed with that for years
with them and then they like finally found the person
and it was just like the guy ended up being
(16:01):
someone who is like protesting some policy of like Joseph
Kennedy like and like it was like some weird political
cartoon ass act of protest that like had absolutely nothing
to do with it. But it's just when you're examining
like every single like angle of a crowd of like
(16:23):
hundreds of people, you're gonna be able to like find
whatever you're you know, you're gonna be able to find
weird shit.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Mm hmm ah, Well don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I mean, yeah, they we live in a real fucking
great time for this kind of confusion because between that
and fucking AI nonsense, who knows what kind of like
I yeah, man, I'm just I think Ben Collins posted
something on Blue Sky just sort of like kind of
like I think I'm like in a pre grief stage
for like whatever Imperial Boomerang with X ray Vision is
(16:55):
about to come.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Back at us.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, it's about to be bad, and I think that
it's been bad but that Another thing that m Guessen
always says about the rise of authoritarianism in Russia is
it can always get worse. Like it and it does
get worse, You'll you'll be like, well, how could it
get worse? It's like this is as bad as it
(17:18):
can be, and then a year later you look back
and be like, man, we could have done something then,
we could have like protested, we could have like pushed
back back then. Now it's like so much worse. Yeah,
And I feel like that is you know anybody who's like,
what are you talking about? It's bad, It's been bad.
It's like, yeah, there are levels of bad.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
And I feel like, yeah, think about the worst place
on earth you can think of, Right, it could get
there and even worse at some point, you know. And
I think that's you know, like you see people really
I've read articles where people are like really trying to
to say.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Like, come on now, let's cool our jets.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Like one conservative I think person was posting about being
like I'm seeing some really wacky shit being posted from
people who I know as good Christians that I just
want to like, you know, like this person was calling
for calm and didn't seem to be connecting much. But yeah,
I think this is just such a it's such a
(18:14):
really uh, this is such a very unique situation because
you have someone who has like a track record of
like hate speech.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
And then because of the you know where power lies
right now in this country on the political spectrum, Like
you're seeing this sort of like this version of talking
about Charlie Kirk without talking about what his work was
or what he stood for. Yeah, and then you also
have people like you know, the like the woman who
runs libs of TikTok who like is like of, yes,
(18:45):
I'm proud to be a stochastic terrorist.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
It's like what in the past in the past.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like it's just you're seeing that. It's yeah, yeah,
and it and it makes perfect sense because this is
exactly how they need to operate to continue, you know,
forging ahead with this.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, transformation.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I mean we've talked for a long time on the
show about like the sampling error that white supremacy takes
advantage of where you know, everything from like the local
news being more likely to show disproportionately like crimes committed
by black and brown people. Then is the actual case,
you know, from the start, they've taken advantage of that.
(19:27):
Anytime you know, there's a crime that supports the their
white supremacist view of the world, they show you that,
and they are less likely to show you the crimes
that don't support that. And now this sort of right
leaning authoritarian government is using that to make it so
(19:49):
that we only see and react to act you know,
Trump mentioned acts of political violence and didn't mention what
the January sixth even, yeah, January sixth, the people who
were assassinated earlier this year. Paul Pelosi, Yeah, Paul Pelosi exactly.
They just made a joke about Paul Pelosi right away.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Yeah, I think it's just again, I'm I mean, you know,
being a person of color in this country, I'm not
surprised when you know, you see a lack of empathy
go to the people who are who's succumbed to the
systems of oppression that exists in this country.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Right, And to see an emphasis on this person's life
without acknowledging that he stood for the just abject hatred
of other people and qualifying, you know, he had a
very narrow definition of what was an American, Yes, and
not see the same empathy go towards the marginalized people
(20:50):
who he was targeting in the broader conservative movement is targeting.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, that was their lives every day because of those policies.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yeah, and like, and that's where I'm like when you're like,
but the everything in the media is like, oh my god,
like you know, like there's so much emphasis on this,
and all I can think of is the countless other
people who get no mention right for the way their
lives are ended prematurely, and like kind of grappling with
that as a real fucking mind fuck.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
But yeah, that's what living in America in twenty twenty
five is. Like.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, I writer Jam pointed out that things are getting
so crazy out there that Paddington Bear had to delete
a tweet because earlier in the day Paddington posted today
is the day to try something new, and people immediately
started like retweeting retweeting that after the assassination happened, and
so they Paddington took that down there, like that's not what's.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Not what I'm I'm Paddington Bear. Okay, I'm not. I
don't know what you think I am. I'm just I'm
just a bear. Guys. Let's take a quick break. We'll
be right back, and we're back. We're back.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I guess just continue. I mean it is, it is
nine to eleven. Jdvans is reportedly pulling out of a
nine to eleven memorial ceremony in New York in order
to travel to Utah and pay respects to the family
of Charlie Kirk. But Donald Trump will still go to
New York in order to attend the Yankees game. The
Yankees had held a big moment of silence for Charlie Kirk,
(22:26):
So they're kind of becoming a symbol or like something
that Trump is using. And there will be a pregame
ceremony at the Yankees game to recognize the victims and
heroes of nine to eleven, and also to honor Trump
Tower looking so much taller after the World Trade Center's collapse.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I don't oh, yeah, that was yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I think it was the day of nine to eleven,
perhaps the day after he went on a radio show
and was talking about what a tragedy it was and
couldn't help but squeeze in a brag that also he
Trump Tower was now I think incorrectly he said was
now the tallest.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Of course, incorrectly and it's redundant when mentioning anything that
he utters.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, all right, should we talk to Eurovision Miles, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Know, it's just just to switch gears really quick. Ireland
out here coming, I mean, yeah, Ireland.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
They're joining countries like Iceland, Slovenia and Spain who have
basically stated that they would be withdrawing from the music
competition if Israel is allowed to compete, you know, because
of like the genocide and all the other violence.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
That's happening around the region. Yeah, they're committing.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
So in a statement Thursday, RTE, which is the broadcaster
there and in Ireland, said that participating quote would be
an unconscious would be unconscionable given the ongoing and appalling
loss of lives in Gaza. The group that's behind Eurovision
like they're they they they're gathering for like the next
few months, and they said they're going to be making
a decision whether or not Israel be allowed to participate
(24:02):
this year. And they're doing their best, they said to
like we're trying to balance the geopolitical tensions and figure
out what is the best decision to make going forward.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
But it's like interesting when.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
You juxtapose that with the fact that like Russia got
booted out of the competition with the quickness when they
invaded Ukraine. Yet determining whether or not Israel should participate,
is that real head scratcher.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
You're like, uh, okay, well, let's I think you can.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I think you can just arrive at the right decision,
because I mean, like, if you think about last year's
Eurovision contests, they were like all kinds of protests.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Happening when the Israeli artist was performing. So we'll see,
we'll see, we will see.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
All right, those are some of the things that are
trending on this Thursday, September eleventh. We're back tomorrow with
a whole last episode of the show. Until then, be
kind to each other, be kind to yourselves, get your
vaccines while you still can get your flu.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Shots, but you still can. Don't do nothing about white sopri.
I'm a scene and we will talk to you all tomorrow.
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