In this edition of Indecent Trendposal, Jack and Miles discuss Kash Patel having some 'splaining to do in front of Congress, white supremacy and domestic terrorism STILL being America's biggest threat, Asteroid FA22 doing a close flyby (by astronomical standards), social media companies being fine hosting extremely violent content and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of indecent
trend Posal. Courtesy of Vanadium Silver. We would have also
accepted three trends of the condor. Ah, yes, I got
a condor attitude, Miles, you do you do?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I condor that Australian. That's my Australian accent.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh. We were doing some really great accents with Gareth yesterday.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I fucked up and I had
to go to a neurologist to check out. I've got
a This is big news. I've got an essential tremor.
Which it's not inessential, it's essential. Baby, Wait, what is it?
What is an essential tremor? It's just like a tremor
that you have. I've always I've always had like shaky hands.
(00:49):
I think I've told you, likee kid and up through
now and reality. But I started, like my head started
shaking a little bit in a way like I didn't notice,
but my wife was like, you're starting to it's getting
het Bernie up here, up in here, het Burnie bro.
And so I went to the neurologist because I was
(01:11):
worried that I had Yeah, something else is going bad,
but it is just that same old essential tremor.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Wait, so they're just like, no, bro, that's kind of
a feature. Yeah for you, this is sort of a
feature of your body. Man, it's nothing to worry about.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
It was wild though, they like bring you in. They
started doing all these like they're like, you know, we
were all familiar with the bang above your knee and
your leg kicks. Yeah, five seconds later in my case
because it's like a really seconds I'm just joking for
the wait, how fast is yours?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Oh no, you can see the impulse travel up your
leg to your brain three lowest two?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
But yeah, so I I knew about that one. There's
like twenty of those ships, and she she was running
me through those like a fucking it was like going
through the car wash, like just like it was like
spinning around like close my eyes walking.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Is this even a test?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Like you're just fucking with me, just wanted to see
how good you were with a yo.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yo, I'm not. I know I can.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Tell viewers U on our social media clips might might
pick up a slight little shake of the head, now
you know.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Now, it's just an essential part of who I. It's
a feature.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
It's it's like kind of a complex it's like it's essential.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, it's kind of nice. What does that mean in medically,
that it's essential. I think it's just like not going away.
I don't know. I didn't look into the derivation, but
I will. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just happy what
you said you were going to the neurologist.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I was I was gonna be like, dude, what, But
I was just like all right, well, I mean, I'm
glad you shared that, but I didn't. I didn't want
to delve deeper. But okay, yeah, okay, I see, No,
I didn't notice.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I didn't notice. Oh wow, you're just a shaky guy. Generally,
I am shaving him.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I'm just like shaving like personality wise, like emotionally. I
think shaky is a good way to describe about her.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Was it intentional?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Intention that when you have a tremor, when you're trying
to do something specific like thread and needle and be.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Calm, yeah, and be calm. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
And I'm sorry that I kept calling you Captain Miller,
which is Tom Hanks's character from Private Ryan.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
When I saw your hands do that, that was sensitive. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, you just kept screaming be calm, yeah, which actually
makes it worse.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I go, Hey, how is d d Captain Miller here there?
Can you tell me to earn this?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Hey? You said gum out or what? Dude? All right?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Uh back to the bullshit. Yeah, it's great to.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Be back, Dan, great to have it was.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I'd like to say that we kept it professional yesterday
and we did most.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I'm back and there's no more fun allowed that. Let's
talk about what is trending? Cash Patel. Yeah, the floor
of the Gress.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
He had some splaining to do, as it were, as
it's known legally, I guess when you have a hearing
in front of the members of the House and yeah, dude,
you gotta you gotta gress splain later.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Oh don't don't like that for you. But he went,
you know, had to.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
There were a lot of topics that I think members
of Congress wanted to cover with cash Hotel, like how
are you so bad at this? Being sort of the
overarching theme of everything. Why are you now covering for Epstein?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
When he used to says, are kind of coming with
that energy?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, because there's the people who generally have
it out for him because they're like, you're terrible at
what you do and this is completely become such a
politicized body on even what the fuck this is?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Then they're the people like, what's up with the Epstein shit? Dude?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Before he was in office, he would say stuff like,
you know, they're protecting people, and I will leave no
stone unturned when I when I, you know, get my
hands into these Epstein files to now being like I
found no credible evidence that Epstein was trafficking minors.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Like he said that shit out.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Loud, the thing that he was convicted of. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, okay.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
No, no, no, that's already just a very bizarre thing.
But yeah, the performance was terrible, but that was sort
of like a certainty because he's he's like the physical
manifestation of person in over their head with a job.
And the other thing too, was like a lot of
the conservatives were also asking, like, what what is that
with the fucking botched Kirk investigation. You're like live tweeting
(05:42):
a bunch of nonsense that wasn't like.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Being correct leads. Yeah, God again, he got this. He
had the got him press conference like three times, Spencer Cox, Dude,
when he did that, I was like, why the.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Fuck are they doing? Got him? Yeah? Like I was.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I mean, Brian Editor did share a meme where there
was like the crab Rave song played after Spencer Cock
said that at the press conference. But anyway, the other
thing that's I think big news too, is like even
now Fox News is doing stories about how people at
the White House don't like cash Betel.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, that's usually a sign.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I mean, that did happen to Pete haig Seth, Like
they were like, there are concerns and then he was
able to just weather it out, you know, ride out
the storm like a ship captain who's you know, just
just drunk, just drug everything to work out.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, But now it's like they're saying, you know, like
Pam Bondi and him really don't get along, and now
like that, there are more questions being raised about.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
How fit he is for office, which is just.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
So funny, Like you know, you could have avoided this,
well whatever, I'm acting like they're rational people, but like
you know, it was clear from the beginning he's not
fit for office or anyone deserve under this administration, to
be honest, I.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Mean, I do I do appreciate that he brought in
the We're gonna fucking show what's what on this Epstein stuff,
because I think that did help people kind of get
some momentum on that story before he then, you know,
every aspect of it, like him being as incompetent and
like bad at messaging as he is, has been a
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good thing for people who you know, oppose the Trump administration,
and you know, yeah, his ineptitude is good. There was somebody,
Al Cappuccino on Blue Sky said cash Patel's eyes always
look like they're in horrified shock from whatever stupid thing.
Cash Pateel is thinking, yeah, and I think that's the
(07:43):
best way to describe internal struggle overall vibe. What did
he have to say about what like his handling of well,
what do you have to say about Epstein? First of all,
is he just like yeah, there's nothing nothing to see.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Just you can tell he's just been like he's been
co opted by the boorg, you know. And then like
Ben arguing with Adam Shift, like he just started screaming.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
He he just didn't.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
He was in over his head and he couldn't say
anything really convincingly, and there's a lot of yelling, and
at that point I was like, I can't.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
He's he's using the private jet to like go to
a lot of sporting events Trump style, right, Like that's
kind of his.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
He's not Yeah, he's not a serious person. I would say,
be comes the launch.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, he was live tweeting of the Kirk investigation. I
think happened from a club.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So, and he was also like taking a bunch of
FBI agents off of like serious counter terrorism shit to
be like can you look at race any stuff that
says Trump, Like you just look over the documents, just
again showing that this is he's not there for any
kind of real law enforcement uh purpose, It's just purely
to be a sick e fan and do whatever you know,
Trump wills. But the freaky thing is now, it's like
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there's a guy the ag Andrew Bailey. This guy is
now heading He's going to be co deputy director at
the FBI.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Because Bongino, the podcaster is like.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Fucking fallen from grace because he was I think his
brain broke when he realized he was he became the deep.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
State and had to cover up shit.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Us like we were podcasters who had major ambitions. I
wanted to head up the CIA. Mileson the NSA.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Exactly, you guys are blowing it as somebody one of
my dad's really good friends from high school was married
to Ali North's secretary back in the day.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Fun. Yeah, so you have the access.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Oh yeah, if you look at my background, you're gonna know.
I'm I've been a fine man. I've been a fed
since birth, you know what I mean. But this guy
who's in the wings, he actually people are like be
weary of this guy because he has legal experience and
he has blind allegiance to Donald Trump, which again that's
a prerequisite obviously, but him becoming Code Deputy director could
(10:06):
mean you know, an assent for.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Him just talking really briefly about the overall agenda of
you know, the federal law enforcement. Four oh four just
published this article noting that the Department of Justice just
removed a study that had found that white supremacy and
far right violence contin continues to outpace all other types
(10:30):
of terrorism and domestic violent extremism in the United States.
The study, which was conducted by the National Institute of
Justice and hosted on a DOJ website, was available until
September twelfth, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Oh and went away. I wonder if that was because
of this is the other thing.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I mean, well we'll get into that too, but it
the you know, this was like the kind of thing
that made groxay stuff Like if you asked it like
is the right or the left that does more violence?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
And it's like the right, you're fucking kidding me?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah, yeah, And then Elon's like, oh, this is this
cringe worthy idiocy will be taken down?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yes, yes, the yeah, Rock responded when when somebody asked,
who commits more political violence? You know, the right, and
it's not like exclusively the right obviously, but it's just
more work and it's more dangerous. There's like more to
be stopped there, and yeah, he responded, My apologies, we
(11:30):
are fixing this cringe idiocy by Rock Jesus Christ jd
Vance as you guys, I think covered on yesterday's episode,
talked about going after the growing and powerful minority on
the far left, which since nineteen ninety, far right extremists
have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far left
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or radical Islamist extremists, including two hundred and twenty seven
events that took more than five hundred.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And twenty lives.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Is what the study said in this same period far
left extremists committed forty two ideologically motivated attacks that took
seventy eight lives.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I mean, this is this is the whole play.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
You know, it's like you have to completely erase any
evidence of the facts that are around it. But I
think it's also very odd like to be like, was
he right or was he left?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Was he right or was he left?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Because regardless, that's the regardless of very he lies, that
shouldn't the conclusion should then be, Okay, well all these
people got to go to jail now.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Right, everybody everybody who said everybody like that, Well he
was Charlie Kirk was, if nothing else, according to Azrakline,
a proponent of free speech. So the best way to
honor that is by arresting anybody who disagrees with him.
I think we can all.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, yeah, very constructive, very constructive, very constructive.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back,
and we're back. We're back, all right, Let's take a
let's take a brief respite from politics and the encroaching
(13:11):
authoritarianism and talk about uh yeah, I guess is that
does that mean it's happening?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
The it's it's approaching it's I mean, I guess if
it's if it's the NFL encroachment is when you've already
crossed the line.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yes, yeah, it's happening.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Like I'm picturing, you know, the zombies are closing in
and we're only in one room. I picture starting off
in the whole house.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
I pictured the part of the matrix where mister Anderson
touches that little mirror thing and then it starts going
up his hand and he's.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Like, and he goes, I'm being encroached upon. You're yeah, yeah,
So which let's just let's talk about the city killer
for beat.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I mean, look, we were all excited earlier this year.
When we're not. An asteroid may just end this hell
we're in, but it's all meaningless. At least we'd be
all together.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
But tonight you will have a chance to pretend a
city killing asteroid may hit the Earth on a live stream. Specifically,
there's this huge, like skyscraper sized asteroid that scientists thought
would hit the planet in twenty eighty nine.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
You know, after the measurements are like, yeah, this shit
ain't hitting, but it's.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Coming very close, and there is like you can it's
all being live stream at like eleven thirty eastern tonight
and into tomorrow, and they say, if you have like
a telescope or really good binoculars, you might even be
able to see it on your own.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
So again, it's not going to hit Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
So I am a giant like building sized asteroid just
floating by, like like over the tree tops.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Yeah, just barely, just going scraping by. It's technically like
five hundred and twenty thousand miles away, but astronomically speaking,
that's very very close.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
But I guess also like researchers are using the flyby
as like a dress rehearsal for a put like what
would they would do in the event of an actual
catastrophic impact?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah? Yeah, Or I mean like there was that other
one we thought.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Twenty twenty eight thirty two, and then I think now
they're just like, let's make sure all like the programs work,
our systems are in place, just so we.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Know that we have a handle on this.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
But am I gonna be able to break out my
all silver like Rabodi suit onesie?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah? I mean that hasn't stopped you four, But yeah,
like I said, it's a.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Dress rehearsal for twenty eighty nine.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
This is our son's chess tournament, Chack. He's going to
be ranked in twenty eighty nine.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I'm telling you, all right.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Let's talk about Yeah, social media companies are basically fine
with graphic murder videos these days, as we talked about
in the aftermath of the Charlie Kirk assassination. Just you know,
one of the worst things that I feel like i'd
seen happen was just all fucking over the place and
(16:17):
like kind of impossible to myth. I can't think of
another murder where I like learned about the murder by
literally seeing it happen on social media.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Feeds before any other details. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like really
just shitting.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
We're just everywhere the day had happened, and then like
so the day it happened. I can see that being
a thing where it's like, oh shit, it like that
kind of snuck through and we're working on our response
to these sorts of things to clean it up. They're
still everywhere like they they've not tried to tamp this down,
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and I feel like it's you know, you just have
to think about what violences they're they're willing to let
you see versus what violence they don't want you to see.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
One, it's like you typically have to wait a long
time for like a bodycam thing that would maybe you know,
lead to prosecution of the police or something, but any
other thing, Like even on TMZ, there's like their TMZ
is so fucking gross, Like everything they post, like if
there's a celebrity stuff, they're just trying to get some
kind of selacious or violent thing.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
They're like, watch this trapeze artist crashed to the ground.
You're like, the fuck is you?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Guys used to be a celebrity gossip site and now
you're it's just like silent yeah yeah. And the whole
time they're like what are the fucking policies?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Like are aren't this aren't? Isn't it?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Like this supposed to at least have like a fucking
content warning, But it turns out like this video, like
specifically the one of Kirk, falls into like some weird
policy loophole where it's like it's acceptable graphic content but
also not totally glorified violence, which is.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
What we ban right like meta bands multiple victim violence, right,
but that feels very specific, like what why would multiple
victim violence be worse to see than this, where a.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Then a murder, a murder.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
That happens from like one hundred different angles. And then yeah,
in other cases, apps just aren't enforcing their own policies TikTok,
even though their terms clearly don't allow gory grewsome disturbing
or extremely violent content, they're letting it fly.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Yeah, this has just been like a thing that's been
happening too, because we talked about I think earlier in
the year when people on Instagram were just noticing, like
the reels content had just gone absolutely bonkers with like
people like I think I just saw like eight murders, yeah,
in one Instagram sitting when I thought I was watching
like knitting videos. And again, it's because they don't have
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fucking people moderating shit anymore, and it's just like, wow,
let it fly. I mean, like, I think the roader
implications are really kind of frightening of like if this
is like an intentional campaign to just desensitize people to
like this kind of violence, just to be like, you
know it is what it is, Just numb yourself to
that and then maybe you will all your like sort
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of empathy sensors will burn out and then you have
nothing going on. Because I mean even it was just
even having to see all like we said this last week,
but just in the last few years, just the amount,
the sheer volume of death videos I've seen on the
internet are It's like.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Unreal.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
And I also realized that I was completely becoming numb
to shit like that.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I just didn't even know what I was looking at.
I was just looking at it.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah, like you said, a lot of social media platforms
have scaled back human content moderators and opted to use
AI tools instead. So yeah, it feels like it's just
the you know, good old fashioned deregulation. Yeah, where it's like,
how do we make it easier on these companies that
are already raking in billions of a year.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Right, because look, the algorithm rewards.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Views and and you know what, even if the views
are going on some kind of hyper violent video content, It's.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Like, hey, man, it's the algorithm. What do you want
to do.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
It's gonna it's gonna make it bubble up to the
top so everybody sees it.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, And I mean just the number of different types
of like one TikTok video showed the shooter shooting in
slow motion close up with a narrator being like, what
is this black thing on his shirt? And why did
it move like this before he got shot? And it
was just like a fucking microphone.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah, like that Lavalier microphone.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Okay, cool, Yeah, but I don't know, Like experts have
noted that all of this may be psychologically damaging to
our society in ways we don't understand yet, And I
feel like I didn't need experts to tell me that.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I'm I'm experiencing it in real time.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah, you know what I mean, Between that and watching
just fucked up harrowing footage from like Gaza and things
like that. Like I'm truly I'm like, I'm having to
really think about where how to feel like a human again, yeah,
because you have to compartmentalize so much nowadays, like with
just being bombarded with all kinds of violent shit, you
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kind of lose track of where you're at.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
But hey man, they're gonna do what they do. And
I'm sure it doesn't help that, like the.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Ellisons are probably going to be owning a huge steak
in TikTok now.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
So Ellison's being the Oracle Sky dance oracle oracle gang.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, I mean, like it's going to be a consortium
of oligarchs where American oligarchs who are about to be
like that be the majority owners of TikTok in order
to circumvent the ban. But Trump extended that deadline for
like another three months now as they try and figure
out who who's gonna be, which billionaires will be lucky
(21:48):
enough to own this social media platform and see what
that does to our rands.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, yeah, seems bad. I don't know if this is
a permanent thing, if this is just everybody responding in
their own way to how horrifying that event was, the
Charlie Kirk assassination. But like that, did you see the
Ezra Kleine like op ed this guy who's like supposed
to be the moral conscience of like the Liberal party,
(22:16):
like you know, the New York Times is like according
to who I don't like, I think according like that
seems to be the position that he's being given by.
Yeahhere the liberals. But he wrote this like reflection on
the life of Charlie Kirk where he like talked about
how like he did politics the right way, and he
(22:37):
like talked about admiring the movement he had built, which
is just like what like I guess he meant the
like the power that he was able to acquire without
like any reflection on like.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Why or how he did that.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
All these established media figures, it's clear, like the the
the assignment is to eulogize and then maybe do some
light critiquing. But the first it's like, after like October seventh, right,
it's like, do you condemn Hamas?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yes, yes, exactly, And it's like, what I mean, sure,
but what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Like I'm talking about like a much broader issue than
this like very narrow thing we're talking about right now,
And now it feels like do you contem political violence?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
And Charlie Kirk was a good guy.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Right, And it's like I condemned political violence. I fucking
hate what happened to him and wish that hadn't happened
to him. I don't think Charlie, like.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yeah, just what he was saying was absolutely antithetical to
everything I believe in the violence like again smearing George Floyd,
smearing gay people, trans people, immigrants, Martin Luther King, Like
his whole thing was just to say the gnarliest shit
and try and normalize that kind of viewpoint.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
And to claim that he was therefore in favor of
free speech. So was he in favor of those college
students who were protesting the Joe side and gut was
he in favor of them not being arrested and deported?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
No? And again then it's also weird.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
You see also I see this other take that people
are doing that, like he would not want like mass
repression of free speech. He would not have wanted that,
And I'm like, well, that's probably true because he benefited
from the fact that he was able to say whatever
the fuck he wanted and profit from it, like narrowly
for himself, right, But like, it's just interesting to see
people trying evoke those kinds of things to try and
(24:40):
get like conservative readers to be like and that's why,
like a mass repression campaign won't be good or honor
anyone's memory.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Effectively, Charlie wouldn't have wanted this. It's like, I mean,
he was already a major part of a movement that
was arresting people for saying things. Yeah, I'm also saying
things that he and they didn't like.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
You know, there are plenty of professors too, you see,
who are like I'm like, I don't know what kind
of free speech this is when like I was getting
docksed by like the people at his organization because I
was I was talking about American history objectively and being
called like I'm trying to be some kind of like
enemy combatant for merely.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Talking about our own history. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
So it's it's a really strange one to square and
to me, I think this is like it just really
encapsulates how much how much power now like that the
right has and at least or at least how much
fear that they strike into the hearts of people to
like all do the state approved messaging around this.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, that the mainstream media can't hold those two thoughts
in their head at the same time that like people
shouldn't be brutally murdered, and also like that doesn't mean that.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Also that kind of rhetoric is damaging to our.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Society, right right, exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, I think the closest I saw people like I
remember reading him being described as a firebrand, and I
was like, wow, that's.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Very and like I do think that happens in the
aftermath of anyone's death, where like you know, the obituaries
of like Rush Limbaugh that come out of the day
after are probably gonna be pretty yeah, from objective. But
I think this is the thing.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
When you are on the receiving end of the shitty
rhetoric and violent ideas that a person of spouses or
their value what their values are, those people typically come
their response is not sorrow because these are seen as
vectors of introducing like the normalization.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Of hate speech into their lives and things like that.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
And it's like the same way like when Hulk Hogan died,
you had like wrestling fans be like he was a
legend and a lot of black people were like he
was racist as fuck.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, and yeah, you know, it all.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Depends this is this is how this how you know
it's it's all subjective to a certain extent in terms
of how people view a person and what that means
to them. But the words I would I would say,
we're unkind because like you look at a lot of
people point to like media Matters and those like media
sort of groups that like you know, report on a
lot of the stuff that's happening on like the the
(27:18):
extreme right wing, and like you look at just clip
after clip of the stuff that he said, and you're like,
you you're hard pressed to find a thing when you're like, oh,
that was.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
That was that was a level headed take. He was
lying in many cases, Like the free speech thing is
like telling lies about people to dehumanize them. Yeah, yeah,
in many cases, So like that by not saying that
when we're talking about his legacy and by then paying
that is like a free speech thing, you're allowing for
(27:51):
like violence, Like that, you're giving power to a movement
that is already using violence to suppress people's.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah, because yeah, you don't you allow no space for
any examination of like the totality of something if it's
the whole thing is like this is this guy was
a saint, right, don't say anything more.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
The just reflexive attempts to villainize the trans community and
make this seem like it was like part of a
broader thing like all you know that that was one
of the groups, one of the you know, most targeted
at risk groups in the country that he was very
uh just awful towards said awful dehumanizing things about And
(28:34):
in the aftermath, like there there was this article that
was up on the front page of Drudge for like
a whole day. It was from the Washington Free Beacon
about that they were like this these social media accounts
in a like online community where like multiple of the
people behind the accounts were trans I indicated for knowledge
(28:55):
of the attack, like they were, and like there were
screen caps of people being like, he's going to find
out on September tenth, and Charlie Kirk, this is not
a warning. This is like trying to make it seem
like this, it was this broad conspiracy they're perpetrated by
trans people. And then like that's just quietly like gone away,
but like they had fabricated screen grabs that they were
(29:18):
posting and being like the FBI is investigating whether these are.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Real or not.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, yeah, I mean there's just the sort of shit
that's going to enter the bloodstream, Like people are going
to take that as fact, like the things that you're
writing in the days immediately afterwards.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah yeah, and no one's going to come back and
check to say like the you know, to verify like
the veracity of something like that, because again, these people
are just on a just fucking waiting to blame trans people.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Or the left. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
But yeah, I mean those text messages that they released too,
Like that's already causing a ton of confusion now because
you have give an entire group of people like both
of them, mostly on the left and on the right,
or like these are fake, these aren't real texts, Like
no one talks like this, right, and you know that.
And it's awful that we live in a time where
(30:11):
I'm like, I don't know, are they trying to trying
to fucking make this a thing that it actually isn't
or is this how this guy actually texted, like seemingly
talking like a boomer. Yeah, it's just like all and again,
I think all of that lack of clarity just allows
all this other shit to to kind of fester and
(30:31):
and people continue on with their you know, campaign to
just stoke more violence against their enemies.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I do think it's worth just noting because I think
in the aftermath of this event, it is easy to
just make it seem like, well, they're now they have everyone,
and like, I don't think that's true. Like I think
a lot of people like they They did a moment
of silence for Charlie kirk Att at New Orleans Saints
game NFL game over the weekend. Yeah, the crowd booed
(31:01):
until his name was no longer on the scoreboard, allegedly.
And I don't think it's because they're like bloodthirsty leftists.
I think people just generally have a sense that like
turning him into a larger than life like figure is
like I don't know, it's like like I just don't
think they want to have this thing where like they're
(31:21):
deifying this like right wing person like it's a it's
a type of political violence.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, And I think it's also just because it's I
think it just also feels.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Strange to people. Yeah, that they're like wait, what who
what right really? And then then you kind of like
all of that.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Also, I think maybe people know that I feel it
explicitly or not, or like what's happening around yeah right now?
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah, I think people generally are like uncomfortable and like
this administration is less popular than I think it might
seem to everybody right now. Yeah, you know there's a
CNN poll like ye people in the cabinet, which who
the fuck knows what anything means?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
So stupid.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, the CNN pull like weird horse race with no
stakes to be like who's pulling bad in the cabinet. Okay,
but it's Pam Bondi number one minus nineteen points minus night.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
So more like disapprove is nineteen points higher than approve.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
She's the head of the Department of Justice, which is,
you know, the wing of political violence of the Trump administration.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
But I just want to point out there were six
NFL teams that didn't pay tribute, and that's being written up.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
They're like, what's wrong with these controversial home teams that
were there? The ones that did not were the Bengals, Lions, Colts, Vikings, Steelers,
and Ravens.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Right right. So I don't know, we'll we'll see where
this goes. But I just I don't think it's you know,
the mainstream media had has me feeling like, oh man,
everybody has just like gone fully towards the Trump side
of things, where they're like, now we agree with the
(33:13):
stuff that Charlie Kirk was saying. Yeah, I don't think
that's true. I think, well, you.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Yeah, it's really evident in just looking at the headlines
from different outlets like where these edit like where their
editorial sort of voices because there are people who are
trying to be like what the fuck is going on?
And others are like remembering, yeah, fiery.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Words, and as I got a ton of pushback from
like readers and like a lot a lot of people.
So I don't Yeah, I think it's like this institutional
mainstream media like kind of flinching mainstream.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
They already chemocrat.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Yeah you're going to get a fifteen billion dollar lawsuit
from Trump, you know what I mean. Like it's they're like,
these are headaches, so they don't want to deal with
so they're just stay quiet.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
All right, well, all right, well, speaking of steak quiet,
we're gonna be quiet now because it's the end of
the episode.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
We are back tomorrow with the whole last episode of
the show.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Until then, be kind to each other, be kind to yourself.
Get your vaccines, get your flu shots. I just got
my flu shot yesterday.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
I just got a reminder for my flu shot.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Go do it.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
This one doesn't hurt, guys. I know a lot of
people are babies about uh. They actually they figured out
how to make it not hurt. It doesn't good good,
it's not even a needle.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
They just rub it on. They just rub it on.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
They give you like a little BackRub and now you're
now you have flu shot. Don't do nothing about white supremacy,
and we will talk to you all tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Bye bye bye.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
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trend Posal. Courtesy of Vanadium Silver. We would have also
accepted three trends of the condor. Ah, yes, I got
a condor attitude, Miles, you do you do?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I condor that Australian. That's my Australian accent.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh. We were doing some really great accents with Gareth yesterday.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I fucked up and I had
to go to a neurologist to check out. I've got
a This is big news. I've got an essential tremor.
Which it's not inessential, it's essential. Baby, Wait, what is it?
What is an essential tremor? It's just like a tremor
that you have. I've always I've always had like shaky hands.
(00:49):
I think I've told you, likee kid and up through
now and reality. But I started, like my head started
shaking a little bit in a way like I didn't notice,
but my wife was like, you're starting to it's getting
het Bernie up here, up in here, het Burnie bro.
And so I went to the neurologist because I was
(01:11):
worried that I had Yeah, something else is going bad,
but it is just that same old essential tremor.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Wait, so they're just like, no, bro, that's kind of
a feature. Yeah for you, this is sort of a
feature of your body. Man, it's nothing to worry about.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
It was wild though, they like bring you in. They
started doing all these like they're like, you know, we
were all familiar with the bang above your knee and
your leg kicks. Yeah, five seconds later in my case
because it's like a really seconds I'm just joking for
the wait, how fast is yours?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Oh no, you can see the impulse travel up your
leg to your brain three lowest two?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
But yeah, so I I knew about that one. There's
like twenty of those ships, and she she was running
me through those like a fucking it was like going
through the car wash, like just like it was like
spinning around like close my eyes walking.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Is this even a test?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Like you're just fucking with me, just wanted to see
how good you were with a yo.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yo, I'm not. I know I can.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Tell viewers U on our social media clips might might
pick up a slight little shake of the head, now
you know.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Now, it's just an essential part of who I. It's
a feature.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
It's it's like kind of a complex it's like it's essential.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, it's kind of nice. What does that mean in medically,
that it's essential. I think it's just like not going away.
I don't know. I didn't look into the derivation, but
I will. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just happy what
you said you were going to the neurologist.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I was I was gonna be like, dude, what, But
I was just like all right, well, I mean, I'm
glad you shared that, but I didn't. I didn't want
to delve deeper. But okay, yeah, okay, I see, No,
I didn't notice.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I didn't notice. Oh wow, you're just a shaky guy. Generally,
I am shaving him.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I'm just like shaving like personality wise, like emotionally. I
think shaky is a good way to describe about her.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Was it intentional?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Intention that when you have a tremor, when you're trying
to do something specific like thread and needle and be.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Calm, yeah, and be calm. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
And I'm sorry that I kept calling you Captain Miller,
which is Tom Hanks's character from Private Ryan.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
When I saw your hands do that, that was sensitive. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, you just kept screaming be calm, yeah, which actually
makes it worse.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I go, Hey, how is d d Captain Miller here there?
Can you tell me to earn this?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Hey? You said gum out or what? Dude? All right?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Uh back to the bullshit. Yeah, it's great to.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Be back, Dan, great to have it was.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I'd like to say that we kept it professional yesterday
and we did most.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I'm back and there's no more fun allowed that. Let's
talk about what is trending? Cash Patel. Yeah, the floor
of the Gress.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
He had some splaining to do, as it were, as
it's known legally, I guess when you have a hearing
in front of the members of the House and yeah, dude,
you gotta you gotta gress splain later.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Oh don't don't like that for you. But he went,
you know, had to.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
There were a lot of topics that I think members
of Congress wanted to cover with cash Hotel, like how
are you so bad at this? Being sort of the
overarching theme of everything. Why are you now covering for Epstein?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
When he used to says, are kind of coming with
that energy?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, because there's the people who generally have
it out for him because they're like, you're terrible at
what you do and this is completely become such a
politicized body on even what the fuck this is?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Then they're the people like, what's up with the Epstein shit? Dude?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Before he was in office, he would say stuff like,
you know, they're protecting people, and I will leave no
stone unturned when I when I, you know, get my
hands into these Epstein files to now being like I
found no credible evidence that Epstein was trafficking minors.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Like he said that shit out.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Loud, the thing that he was convicted of. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, okay.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
No, no, no, that's already just a very bizarre thing.
But yeah, the performance was terrible, but that was sort
of like a certainty because he's he's like the physical
manifestation of person in over their head with a job.
And the other thing too, was like a lot of
the conservatives were also asking, like, what what is that
with the fucking botched Kirk investigation. You're like live tweeting
(05:42):
a bunch of nonsense that wasn't like.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Being correct leads. Yeah, God again, he got this. He
had the got him press conference like three times, Spencer Cox, Dude,
when he did that, I was like, why the.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Fuck are they doing? Got him? Yeah? Like I was.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I mean, Brian Editor did share a meme where there
was like the crab Rave song played after Spencer Cock
said that at the press conference. But anyway, the other
thing that's I think big news too, is like even
now Fox News is doing stories about how people at
the White House don't like cash Betel.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, that's usually a sign.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I mean, that did happen to Pete haig Seth, Like
they were like, there are concerns and then he was
able to just weather it out, you know, ride out
the storm like a ship captain who's you know, just
just drunk, just drug everything to work out.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, But now it's like they're saying, you know, like
Pam Bondi and him really don't get along, and now
like that, there are more questions being raised about.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
How fit he is for office, which is just.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
So funny, Like you know, you could have avoided this,
well whatever, I'm acting like they're rational people, but like
you know, it was clear from the beginning he's not
fit for office or anyone deserve under this administration, to
be honest, I.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Mean, I do I do appreciate that he brought in
the We're gonna fucking show what's what on this Epstein stuff,
because I think that did help people kind of get
some momentum on that story before he then, you know,
every aspect of it, like him being as incompetent and
like bad at messaging as he is, has been a
(07:23):
good thing for people who you know, oppose the Trump administration,
and you know, yeah, his ineptitude is good. There was somebody,
Al Cappuccino on Blue Sky said cash Patel's eyes always
look like they're in horrified shock from whatever stupid thing.
Cash Pateel is thinking, yeah, and I think that's the
(07:43):
best way to describe internal struggle overall vibe. What did
he have to say about what like his handling of well,
what do you have to say about Epstein? First of all,
is he just like yeah, there's nothing nothing to see.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Just you can tell he's just been like he's been
co opted by the boorg, you know. And then like
Ben arguing with Adam Shift, like he just started screaming.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
He he just didn't.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
He was in over his head and he couldn't say
anything really convincingly, and there's a lot of yelling, and
at that point I was like, I can't.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
He's he's using the private jet to like go to
a lot of sporting events Trump style, right, Like that's
kind of his.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
He's not Yeah, he's not a serious person. I would say,
be comes the launch.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, he was live tweeting of the Kirk investigation. I
think happened from a club.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So, and he was also like taking a bunch of
FBI agents off of like serious counter terrorism shit to
be like can you look at race any stuff that
says Trump, Like you just look over the documents, just
again showing that this is he's not there for any
kind of real law enforcement uh purpose, It's just purely
to be a sick e fan and do whatever you know,
Trump wills. But the freaky thing is now, it's like
(08:58):
there's a guy the ag Andrew Bailey. This guy is
now heading He's going to be co deputy director at
the FBI.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Because Bongino, the podcaster is like.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Fucking fallen from grace because he was I think his
brain broke when he realized he was he became the deep.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
State and had to cover up shit.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Us like we were podcasters who had major ambitions. I
wanted to head up the CIA. Mileson the NSA.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Exactly, you guys are blowing it as somebody one of
my dad's really good friends from high school was married
to Ali North's secretary back in the day.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Fun. Yeah, so you have the access.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Oh yeah, if you look at my background, you're gonna know.
I'm I've been a fine man. I've been a fed
since birth, you know what I mean. But this guy
who's in the wings, he actually people are like be
weary of this guy because he has legal experience and
he has blind allegiance to Donald Trump, which again that's
a prerequisite obviously, but him becoming Code Deputy director could
(10:06):
mean you know, an assent for.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Him just talking really briefly about the overall agenda of
you know, the federal law enforcement. Four oh four just
published this article noting that the Department of Justice just
removed a study that had found that white supremacy and
far right violence contin continues to outpace all other types
(10:30):
of terrorism and domestic violent extremism in the United States.
The study, which was conducted by the National Institute of
Justice and hosted on a DOJ website, was available until
September twelfth, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Oh and went away. I wonder if that was because
of this is the other thing.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I mean, well we'll get into that too, but it
the you know, this was like the kind of thing
that made groxay stuff Like if you asked it like
is the right or the left that does more violence?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
And it's like the right, you're fucking kidding me?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah, yeah, And then Elon's like, oh, this is this
cringe worthy idiocy will be taken down?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yes, yes, the yeah, Rock responded when when somebody asked,
who commits more political violence? You know, the right, and
it's not like exclusively the right obviously, but it's just
more work and it's more dangerous. There's like more to
be stopped there, and yeah, he responded, My apologies, we
(11:30):
are fixing this cringe idiocy by Rock Jesus Christ jd
Vance as you guys, I think covered on yesterday's episode,
talked about going after the growing and powerful minority on
the far left, which since nineteen ninety, far right extremists
have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far left
(11:51):
or radical Islamist extremists, including two hundred and twenty seven
events that took more than five hundred.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And twenty lives.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Is what the study said in this same period far
left extremists committed forty two ideologically motivated attacks that took
seventy eight lives.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I mean, this is this is the whole play.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
You know, it's like you have to completely erase any
evidence of the facts that are around it. But I
think it's also very odd like to be like, was
he right or was he left?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Was he right or was he left?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Because regardless, that's the regardless of very he lies, that
shouldn't the conclusion should then be, Okay, well all these
people got to go to jail now.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Right, everybody everybody who said everybody like that, Well he
was Charlie Kirk was, if nothing else, according to Azrakline,
a proponent of free speech. So the best way to
honor that is by arresting anybody who disagrees with him.
I think we can all.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, yeah, very constructive, very constructive, very constructive.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back,
and we're back. We're back, all right, Let's take a
let's take a brief respite from politics and the encroaching
(13:11):
authoritarianism and talk about uh yeah, I guess is that
does that mean it's happening?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
The it's it's approaching it's I mean, I guess if
it's if it's the NFL encroachment is when you've already
crossed the line.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yes, yeah, it's happening.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Like I'm picturing, you know, the zombies are closing in
and we're only in one room. I picture starting off
in the whole house.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
I pictured the part of the matrix where mister Anderson
touches that little mirror thing and then it starts going
up his hand and he's.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Like, and he goes, I'm being encroached upon. You're yeah, yeah,
So which let's just let's talk about the city killer
for beat.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I mean, look, we were all excited earlier this year.
When we're not. An asteroid may just end this hell
we're in, but it's all meaningless. At least we'd be
all together.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
But tonight you will have a chance to pretend a
city killing asteroid may hit the Earth on a live stream. Specifically,
there's this huge, like skyscraper sized asteroid that scientists thought
would hit the planet in twenty eighty nine.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
You know, after the measurements are like, yeah, this shit
ain't hitting, but it's.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Coming very close, and there is like you can it's
all being live stream at like eleven thirty eastern tonight
and into tomorrow, and they say, if you have like
a telescope or really good binoculars, you might even be
able to see it on your own.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
So again, it's not going to hit Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
So I am a giant like building sized asteroid just
floating by, like like over the tree tops.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Yeah, just barely, just going scraping by. It's technically like
five hundred and twenty thousand miles away, but astronomically speaking,
that's very very close.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
But I guess also like researchers are using the flyby
as like a dress rehearsal for a put like what
would they would do in the event of an actual
catastrophic impact?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah? Yeah, Or I mean like there was that other
one we thought.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Twenty twenty eight thirty two, and then I think now
they're just like, let's make sure all like the programs work,
our systems are in place, just so we.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Know that we have a handle on this.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
But am I gonna be able to break out my
all silver like Rabodi suit onesie?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah? I mean that hasn't stopped you four, But yeah,
like I said, it's a.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Dress rehearsal for twenty eighty nine.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
This is our son's chess tournament, Chack. He's going to
be ranked in twenty eighty nine.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I'm telling you, all right.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Let's talk about Yeah, social media companies are basically fine
with graphic murder videos these days, as we talked about
in the aftermath of the Charlie Kirk assassination. Just you know,
one of the worst things that I feel like i'd
seen happen was just all fucking over the place and
(16:17):
like kind of impossible to myth. I can't think of
another murder where I like learned about the murder by
literally seeing it happen on social media.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Feeds before any other details. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like really
just shitting.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
We're just everywhere the day had happened, and then like
so the day it happened. I can see that being
a thing where it's like, oh shit, it like that
kind of snuck through and we're working on our response
to these sorts of things to clean it up. They're
still everywhere like they they've not tried to tamp this down,
(16:52):
and I feel like it's you know, you just have
to think about what violences they're they're willing to let
you see versus what violence they don't want you to see.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
One, it's like you typically have to wait a long
time for like a bodycam thing that would maybe you know,
lead to prosecution of the police or something, but any
other thing, Like even on TMZ, there's like their TMZ
is so fucking gross, Like everything they post, like if
there's a celebrity stuff, they're just trying to get some
kind of selacious or violent thing.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
They're like, watch this trapeze artist crashed to the ground.
You're like, the fuck is you?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Guys used to be a celebrity gossip site and now
you're it's just like silent yeah yeah. And the whole
time they're like what are the fucking policies?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Like are aren't this aren't? Isn't it?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Like this supposed to at least have like a fucking
content warning, But it turns out like this video, like
specifically the one of Kirk, falls into like some weird
policy loophole where it's like it's acceptable graphic content but
also not totally glorified violence, which is.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
What we ban right like meta bands multiple victim violence, right,
but that feels very specific, like what why would multiple
victim violence be worse to see than this, where a.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Then a murder, a murder.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
That happens from like one hundred different angles. And then yeah,
in other cases, apps just aren't enforcing their own policies TikTok,
even though their terms clearly don't allow gory grewsome disturbing
or extremely violent content, they're letting it fly.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Yeah, this has just been like a thing that's been
happening too, because we talked about I think earlier in
the year when people on Instagram were just noticing, like
the reels content had just gone absolutely bonkers with like
people like I think I just saw like eight murders, yeah,
in one Instagram sitting when I thought I was watching
like knitting videos. And again, it's because they don't have
(18:54):
fucking people moderating shit anymore, and it's just like, wow,
let it fly. I mean, like, I think the roader
implications are really kind of frightening of like if this
is like an intentional campaign to just desensitize people to
like this kind of violence, just to be like, you
know it is what it is, Just numb yourself to
that and then maybe you will all your like sort
(19:16):
of empathy sensors will burn out and then you have
nothing going on. Because I mean even it was just
even having to see all like we said this last week,
but just in the last few years, just the amount,
the sheer volume of death videos I've seen on the
internet are It's like.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Unreal.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
And I also realized that I was completely becoming numb
to shit like that.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
I just didn't even know what I was looking at.
I was just looking at it.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah, like you said, a lot of social media platforms
have scaled back human content moderators and opted to use
AI tools instead. So yeah, it feels like it's just
the you know, good old fashioned deregulation. Yeah, where it's like,
how do we make it easier on these companies that
are already raking in billions of a year.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Right, because look, the algorithm rewards.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Views and and you know what, even if the views
are going on some kind of hyper violent video content, It's.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Like, hey, man, it's the algorithm. What do you want
to do.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
It's gonna it's gonna make it bubble up to the
top so everybody sees it.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, And I mean just the number of different types
of like one TikTok video showed the shooter shooting in
slow motion close up with a narrator being like, what
is this black thing on his shirt? And why did
it move like this before he got shot? And it
was just like a fucking microphone.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah, like that Lavalier microphone.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Okay, cool, Yeah, but I don't know, Like experts have
noted that all of this may be psychologically damaging to
our society in ways we don't understand yet, And I
feel like I didn't need experts to tell me that.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I'm I'm experiencing it in real time.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah, you know what I mean, Between that and watching
just fucked up harrowing footage from like Gaza and things
like that. Like I'm truly I'm like, I'm having to
really think about where how to feel like a human again, yeah,
because you have to compartmentalize so much nowadays, like with
just being bombarded with all kinds of violent shit, you
(21:08):
kind of lose track of where you're at.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
But hey man, they're gonna do what they do. And
I'm sure it doesn't help that, like the.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Ellisons are probably going to be owning a huge steak
in TikTok now.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
So Ellison's being the Oracle Sky dance oracle oracle gang.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, I mean, like it's going to be a consortium
of oligarchs where American oligarchs who are about to be
like that be the majority owners of TikTok in order
to circumvent the ban. But Trump extended that deadline for
like another three months now as they try and figure
out who who's gonna be, which billionaires will be lucky
(21:48):
enough to own this social media platform and see what
that does to our rands.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, yeah, seems bad. I don't know if this is
a permanent thing, if this is just everybody responding in
their own way to how horrifying that event was, the
Charlie Kirk assassination. But like that, did you see the
Ezra Kleine like op ed this guy who's like supposed
to be the moral conscience of like the Liberal party,
(22:16):
like you know, the New York Times is like according
to who I don't like, I think according like that
seems to be the position that he's being given by.
Yeahhere the liberals. But he wrote this like reflection on
the life of Charlie Kirk where he like talked about
how like he did politics the right way, and he
(22:37):
like talked about admiring the movement he had built, which
is just like what like I guess he meant the
like the power that he was able to acquire without
like any reflection on like.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Why or how he did that.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
All these established media figures, it's clear, like the the
the assignment is to eulogize and then maybe do some
light critiquing. But the first it's like, after like October seventh, right,
it's like, do you condemn Hamas?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yes, yes, exactly, And it's like, what I mean, sure,
but what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Like I'm talking about like a much broader issue than
this like very narrow thing we're talking about right now,
And now it feels like do you contem political violence?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
And Charlie Kirk was a good guy.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Right, And it's like I condemned political violence. I fucking
hate what happened to him and wish that hadn't happened
to him. I don't think Charlie, like.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yeah, just what he was saying was absolutely antithetical to
everything I believe in the violence like again smearing George Floyd,
smearing gay people, trans people, immigrants, Martin Luther King, Like
his whole thing was just to say the gnarliest shit
and try and normalize that kind of viewpoint.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
And to claim that he was therefore in favor of
free speech. So was he in favor of those college
students who were protesting the Joe side and gut was
he in favor of them not being arrested and deported?
Speaker 2 (24:15):
No? And again then it's also weird.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
You see also I see this other take that people
are doing that, like he would not want like mass
repression of free speech. He would not have wanted that,
And I'm like, well, that's probably true because he benefited
from the fact that he was able to say whatever
the fuck he wanted and profit from it, like narrowly
for himself, right, But like, it's just interesting to see
people trying evoke those kinds of things to try and
(24:40):
get like conservative readers to be like and that's why,
like a mass repression campaign won't be good or honor
anyone's memory.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Effectively, Charlie wouldn't have wanted this. It's like, I mean,
he was already a major part of a movement that
was arresting people for saying things. Yeah, I'm also saying
things that he and they didn't like.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
You know, there are plenty of professors too, you see,
who are like I'm like, I don't know what kind
of free speech this is when like I was getting
docksed by like the people at his organization because I
was I was talking about American history objectively and being
called like I'm trying to be some kind of like
enemy combatant for merely.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Talking about our own history. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
So it's it's a really strange one to square and
to me, I think this is like it just really
encapsulates how much how much power now like that the
right has and at least or at least how much
fear that they strike into the hearts of people to
like all do the state approved messaging around this.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, that the mainstream media can't hold those two thoughts
in their head at the same time that like people
shouldn't be brutally murdered, and also like that doesn't mean that.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Also that kind of rhetoric is damaging to our.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Society, right right, exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, I think the closest I saw people like I
remember reading him being described as a firebrand, and I
was like, wow, that's.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Very and like I do think that happens in the
aftermath of anyone's death, where like you know, the obituaries
of like Rush Limbaugh that come out of the day
after are probably gonna be pretty yeah, from objective. But
I think this is the thing.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
When you are on the receiving end of the shitty
rhetoric and violent ideas that a person of spouses or
their value what their values are, those people typically come
their response is not sorrow because these are seen as
vectors of introducing like the normalization.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Of hate speech into their lives and things like that.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
And it's like the same way like when Hulk Hogan died,
you had like wrestling fans be like he was a
legend and a lot of black people were like he
was racist as fuck.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, and yeah, you know, it all.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Depends this is this is how this how you know
it's it's all subjective to a certain extent in terms
of how people view a person and what that means
to them. But the words I would I would say,
we're unkind because like you look at a lot of
people point to like media Matters and those like media
sort of groups that like you know, report on a
lot of the stuff that's happening on like the the
(27:18):
extreme right wing, and like you look at just clip
after clip of the stuff that he said, and you're like,
you you're hard pressed to find a thing when you're like, oh,
that was.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
That was that was a level headed take. He was
lying in many cases, Like the free speech thing is
like telling lies about people to dehumanize them. Yeah, yeah,
in many cases, So like that by not saying that
when we're talking about his legacy and by then paying
that is like a free speech thing, you're allowing for
(27:51):
like violence, Like that, you're giving power to a movement
that is already using violence to suppress people's.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah, because yeah, you don't you allow no space for
any examination of like the totality of something if it's
the whole thing is like this is this guy was
a saint, right, don't say anything more.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
The just reflexive attempts to villainize the trans community and
make this seem like it was like part of a
broader thing like all you know that that was one
of the groups, one of the you know, most targeted
at risk groups in the country that he was very
uh just awful towards said awful dehumanizing things about And
(28:34):
in the aftermath, like there there was this article that
was up on the front page of Drudge for like
a whole day. It was from the Washington Free Beacon
about that they were like this these social media accounts
in a like online community where like multiple of the
people behind the accounts were trans I indicated for knowledge
(28:55):
of the attack, like they were, and like there were
screen caps of people being like, he's going to find
out on September tenth, and Charlie Kirk, this is not
a warning. This is like trying to make it seem
like this, it was this broad conspiracy they're perpetrated by
trans people. And then like that's just quietly like gone away,
but like they had fabricated screen grabs that they were
(29:18):
posting and being like the FBI is investigating whether these are.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Real or not.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, yeah, I mean there's just the sort of shit
that's going to enter the bloodstream, Like people are going
to take that as fact, like the things that you're
writing in the days immediately afterwards.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah yeah, and no one's going to come back and
check to say like the you know, to verify like
the veracity of something like that, because again, these people
are just on a just fucking waiting to blame trans people.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Or the left. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
But yeah, I mean those text messages that they released too,
Like that's already causing a ton of confusion now because
you have give an entire group of people like both
of them, mostly on the left and on the right,
or like these are fake, these aren't real texts, Like
no one talks like this, right, and you know that.
And it's awful that we live in a time where
(30:11):
I'm like, I don't know, are they trying to trying
to fucking make this a thing that it actually isn't
or is this how this guy actually texted, like seemingly
talking like a boomer. Yeah, it's just like all and again,
I think all of that lack of clarity just allows
all this other shit to to kind of fester and
(30:31):
and people continue on with their you know, campaign to
just stoke more violence against their enemies.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I do think it's worth just noting because I think
in the aftermath of this event, it is easy to
just make it seem like, well, they're now they have everyone,
and like, I don't think that's true. Like I think
a lot of people like they They did a moment
of silence for Charlie kirk Att at New Orleans Saints
game NFL game over the weekend. Yeah, the crowd booed
(31:01):
until his name was no longer on the scoreboard, allegedly.
And I don't think it's because they're like bloodthirsty leftists.
I think people just generally have a sense that like
turning him into a larger than life like figure is
like I don't know, it's like like I just don't
think they want to have this thing where like they're
(31:21):
deifying this like right wing person like it's a it's
a type of political violence.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, And I think it's also just because it's I
think it just also feels.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Strange to people. Yeah, that they're like wait, what who
what right really? And then then you kind of like
all of that.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Also, I think maybe people know that I feel it
explicitly or not, or like what's happening around yeah right now?
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah, I think people generally are like uncomfortable and like
this administration is less popular than I think it might
seem to everybody right now. Yeah, you know there's a
CNN poll like ye people in the cabinet, which who
the fuck knows what anything means?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
So stupid.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, the CNN pull like weird horse race with no
stakes to be like who's pulling bad in the cabinet. Okay,
but it's Pam Bondi number one minus nineteen points minus night.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
So more like disapprove is nineteen points higher than approve.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
She's the head of the Department of Justice, which is,
you know, the wing of political violence of the Trump administration.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
But I just want to point out there were six
NFL teams that didn't pay tribute, and that's being written up.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
They're like, what's wrong with these controversial home teams that
were there? The ones that did not were the Bengals, Lions, Colts, Vikings, Steelers,
and Ravens.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Right right. So I don't know, we'll we'll see where
this goes. But I just I don't think it's you know,
the mainstream media had has me feeling like, oh man,
everybody has just like gone fully towards the Trump side
of things, where they're like, now we agree with the
(33:13):
stuff that Charlie Kirk was saying. Yeah, I don't think
that's true. I think, well, you.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Yeah, it's really evident in just looking at the headlines
from different outlets like where these edit like where their
editorial sort of voices because there are people who are
trying to be like what the fuck is going on?
And others are like remembering, yeah, fiery.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Words, and as I got a ton of pushback from
like readers and like a lot a lot of people.
So I don't Yeah, I think it's like this institutional
mainstream media like kind of flinching mainstream.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
They already chemocrat.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Yeah you're going to get a fifteen billion dollar lawsuit
from Trump, you know what I mean. Like it's they're like,
these are headaches, so they don't want to deal with
so they're just stay quiet.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
All right, well, all right, well, speaking of steak quiet,
we're gonna be quiet now because it's the end of
the episode.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
We are back tomorrow with the whole last episode of
the show.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Until then, be kind to each other, be kind to yourself.
Get your vaccines, get your flu shots. I just got
my flu shot yesterday.
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I just got a reminder for my flu shot.
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Speaker 1 (34:21):
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people are babies about uh. They actually they figured out
how to make it not hurt. It doesn't good good,
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