Ads Feel Good In A Place Like This, 2 Bottoms or 2 Tops? 06.06.25

In episode 1876, Jack and Miles are joined by co-host of The Bechdel Cast, Caitlin Durante, to discuss… AMC Wants To Put More Ads Before Movies, “Rainbow Capitalism” Is Back To Just “Capitalism”,  A.I. Is Already (Secretly) Making Hollywood Sh*ttier and more!

1. AMC Wants To Put More Ads Before Movies
2. Indian man awarded damages over length of commercials before movie screening
3. Big brands are pulling back on Pride merchandise and events this year
4. The Business End of Pride
5. What Happened to All the Corporate Pride Logos?
6. Target, Macy’s, and Walmart among retailers promoting Father’s Day over Pride Month
7. These 14 corporations have stopped or scaled back sponsorship of LGBTQ+ Pride events
8. 'Cowardcore:' Everyone Is Noticing The Same Thing About Target's Pride Merch
9. Big brands distance themselves from Pride events amid DEI rollback
10. Burger King's Pride Whoppers Come With Two Tops or Two Bottoms
11. Everyone Is Already Using AI (And Hiding It)
12. Natasha Lyonne to Direct Feature ‘Uncanny Valley’ Combining ‘Ethical’ AI and Traditional Filmmaking Techniques
13. Natasha Lyonne Talks ‘Uncanny Valley’ Directorial Debut, Use Of “Copyright-Clean” AI & Danger Of AGI
14. Natasha Lyonne reveals David Lynch was a supporter of AI
15. This AI Animation Studio Believes It Can Convince All the Skeptics
16. I’m Not Convinced Ethical Generative AI Currently Exists

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
All the kids who I remember from growing up who
were like the funny kids, they just did, they just did.
Jim Carrey got to kill you. Yeah, that's because we
been have social media. There was literally are you Jim
Carrey or not? Because if you're not, I want you
out of here.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah. In my age group, it was what it was,
Dane Cook and Chappelle was it was very weird, diametrically opposed.
That's such a weird thing because like it's easy for
kids to nail Jim Carrey because he's just a fucking goof.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
What is Dane Cook?

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Like like a twelve years and be Dane Cook? Like
what kind of shit is he doing? Like just doing
just regurgitating the materials, walking back and forth. They just
ripping that for their dumb kids. I don't think. I
think so. Honestly, this was only the white kids, no one.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, that's what we do. We appropriate to see.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
At least I had Jim Carrey because in Living Color,
so I could do a Damon Wayne's thing that I love,
like especially I love like the fucking jailhouse dude. He's like,
allow me to ejack you tape excuse me.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
I mean that's still good. My semin inspirations still like
fucking eating with that. You've got to open your mind.
He's just such a good.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I mean that show obviously has a lot of stuff
that didn't age well. But I think though too, it's
never us ever taking liberties and then improvising as a
thing because I'm like, what are they doing? Bits, It's
like you, no, you just said the same ship that
made you laugh over and over again. So it's not
like I was doing I was riffing on fire Marshall Bill.
I was just saying, let me show you something.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
I act like it changed after childhood, but like in college,
it was just Anchorman. It was just people being for me.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
It was sunny Heights or what a summer heights hot? Whatever?

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Ye Christopher.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Bad habit, bad habit for drugs.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, I love that. Welcome mister G's Room. Oh my god,
spin around, Chinaman, spin around. I don't know because this
is you're brown face. Oh yeah the show.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
I remember that. That's when they were like, bro, the
people were the quotes were brown face.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Oh yeah yeah, yeah, there's obviously Jonah and everyone was like,
oh well, I mean he's killing it, so is it okay?
They think the logic back then, He's like, it's a
good impersonation of a tong getting child. M hm, HBO.
I feel like people were just like, yeah, yeah, exactly
exactly like HBO can't be racist, Bro, what do you

(02:54):
mean racist? That is really like how libs think sample
he's on HBO. We can't be racist on HBO, getting
him the fuck out of here. I also think Bill
Maher describes that. He's like, I'm on HBO. I also
can't be racist. Right. Let me say this because I
dated Superhead for a little bit. Oh yeah, well you

(03:15):
can say the N word as much as I like. Okay,
that's how he really comes off, because he really because
you were with Superhead. Well, he gets mad anytime someone
brings it up. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Shout out to the podcast called I Hate Bill Maher,
which my friend Will Weldon posts and I've was a
recent guest.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
On Wait what did he just talk? You Hate Bill Maher?

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah, he goes through episodes of what the fuck is
it called Real Talk? Real Time? Real Time, Real time
with ma and.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Not Club Random.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
We'll get to that random random again, Christopher Lily So
the other noticed.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
How random Bill Maher is.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
My god. Yeah, public schools are soy random. Oh my god,
public schools is so random.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
See and now I'm being educated that I'm not beyond
this because you're just repeating those lines.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
It's still making it.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
It's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
It's hilarious. Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three
ninety one, Episode five of.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Alyas Like Guys.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
It's a production of iHeartRadio. It's a podcast where we
take a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. Wreck Cannonball.
I mean, I just it's however.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
You want to get in there. The water's fucking terrible.
It's disgusting. Come on in the water is filthy, terrible.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Don't open your eyes if you go under though, don't
even don't let it get in your eyes. Ears no,
or I'll honestly just don't get in go ankles.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
It's Friday, June sixth, twenty twenty five, six six n man.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Oh yeah, well six six.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
It's been a lot cooler if it was sixty six.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
It's National Eyewear Day, National Higher Education Day, National Donut Day,
National Apple Sauce k Day, Apple Sauce Cake Day, National
Gardening Exercise Day, National Yo Yo Day, National Drive in
Movie Day, and for all of you Ryan out there,
guess what it's also fucking the.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Day National earned this day?

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Oh yeah, National National Defense yep six to six. Yep. Hey,
I remember the contributions of the Canadians when we stormed
those beaches of Normandy, Juno and Sword Beach. Anyway, I
watched way too much History Channel and D Day when
I was eleven years old. Yeah, sounds like it, man,
I fucking I work on that. I should, man, I should,

(05:59):
but I just can't.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Shit out of here. Nis her back man, and I
got information about Crypto.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
My name is Jack O'Brien aka. I got that baby Jack,
baby Jack, baby Jack. I got that baby Jack, Baby Jack,
baby Jack. I got that baby Jack riz wearing propeller hats.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
That one courtesy of Cleo Universe. I think I was
talking about being baby and wearing a propeller hat at
some point on the show this week. Anyways, shout out
Cleo Universe, thank you for that. I'm thrilled to be
joined as always by my co host mister.

Speaker 6 (06:32):
Miles Grass Miles Gray, booty.

Speaker 7 (06:35):
Body, body, brother everywhere, brother everywhere.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Boom boog okay. Look shout out to Nick Semper teranis
because I didn't realize that horse sweat was like foam. Yeah,
I do. I know again that's where work up a
lather comes from, and then is blather. Yeah, exactly exactly. Anyway,

(07:00):
I see Caitlin's reaction there that face mouth gapic foam. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Ye, horses sweat and it's foamy.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, a protein called Latherin no wonder.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Their coats always look so clean and shine shiny.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
I don't know why I thought horses like panted like
a dog instead of sweating.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Just foaming up even when they're like really gassed. I
feel like you never see them open their mouth. They're
just like kind of you know, breathing heavy thing. They
got those big nostrils. By the way, I've been sleeping
with the uh nostril spander things, sleeping with the enemy
Julia Roberts, Julia Roberts's husband from that movie. I've been

(07:48):
sleeping with those like nose strip things.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Wait, what is that? Theah you put like there was
a thing that was like became a big deal for athletes.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
I think athletes still wear them sometimes.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Breathe right strips.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
And I always just felt too foolish to like have
the breathe right, strip be like, and now I'm wearing
this athletic gear to sleep, but it really does help
helps you breathe through your nose and snore less.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Does the eye black help though?

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Is helpful? All right, we're getting the big wad of chew.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Wait is this the adhesive one or that one I
see on the internet with like the magnets that like
pull adhesive. Oh okay, have you seen the one with
the magnets where people clip them on and they're like
and they're like, yo, what oh really? Fuck? Yeah, I
mean that's next level. Yeah, it looks like it's like
a magnetic nose ring people.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
It's kind of fun, But I feel like I would
be too worried about losing the magnets up my nose.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, yeah, that would. I'm sure there's got to be
some kind of thing there, because yeah, that would be
such bad.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Losing ship up there. So you gotta gotta be careful.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Shoving pennies.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Still was changing the nine to eleven documentary. Yeah, my favorite,
my favorite movie, Caitlin. We're thrilled to be joined in
our third Caitlyn. I should have said, Miles, but I
just want you to know caitlynjoined in our third seat
by a very talented writer, stand up comedian co host

(09:21):
of The Bechdel Cast. You're you might be getting a
sense of who I'm talking about, Caitlin. One of the
great one of the great film podcasts of all time
that just had Alison Bechdel on. They also happen to
have a our guests today who you might know also
happens to have a master's degree in film and the
most anagrammable name in the English language. So if you've

(09:43):
been given their name in a jumble of out of
order scrabble tiles, you may know them as Lauren d
Titanic nine tit Dracula Latin Dancer UTM. But to us, Caitlyn,
you will always be Caitlyn Durante's guest.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
It was it was just a bit oh my god,
oh you know, yeah alive hell yea, I hear that.
Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
It's been great. It's great to have you back, all
in the guest chair. Yeah, yeah, one thing, yeah exactly.
It's good to have you back. Where you belong.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Okay, I guess we're interested in.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Welcome to club random here where you belong? Okay, new rule.
Caitlin belongs in the third seat, not the second seat.
I love good Bill Maher. I love a good Bill
Maher impression.

Speaker 8 (10:47):
I do not got one, but got the vibe though
I got the I just have that energy about me.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Caitlin, what is what's new with you? Have you seen
any films lately? I don't know that. We've talked about
Paddington and Peru.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
I don't think we have.

Speaker 5 (11:04):
No.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
I did see it an advanced screening. Wow, yeah, huge deal.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
You know.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
I have my thoughts about it. We won't we don't
need to go into it super deeply, but I generally
think it was pretty good. I was ready to be
very disappointed by it, and it is the weakest of
the trilogy, I would say, but it's only because you
have to compare it to the best movie ever made,
Paddington too, and that's a very high bar. So you

(11:33):
know it's it's It's still good. Not as good as
the first two. But I enjoyed myself.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
I watched the first twenty minutes with my kids and
then I had to leave for an adult engagement. WHOA
no big deal. But I was like, I've got a
bad feeling about that nun and they were like, what,
why are you saying that? I like to spoil make
movie predictions, spoil the movie for my kids there like whoa, Dad,
You're right, no, they're actually not that impressed. Usually, but

(12:03):
any other any other films that you've been enjoying or
not enjoying?

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Certainly you know, I enjoyed Friendship.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
I laughed a lot.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
I thought the story, you know, could they should have
sent me the script for for a freaking for some notes.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Always my first note on any film, I.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Think, should Caitlin, And then I would have been like,
who's that? And then what else have I seen?

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (12:31):
I watched The Ugly Stepsister. In fact, that's that was
going to be the piece of media I've been enjoying.
At the end of the episode, okay, spoiling it.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
We'll ask what we'll expand on that when we get to.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
The okay core, Yeah, well we'll do that later. Yeah,
we are thrilled. Just believe me when I say we're
thrilled to have you back where you belong in the
third seat. You all right, we're going to get to
know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
we're going to tell the listeners a couple of the
things we're talking about today. We've got a bit of
a movie centric slate of stories. AMC wants to put

(13:05):
more ads before movies, which is something we've all been
asking for. So that's good. More ads. This is actually
this happened to me before I saw Centers. The an
ad appeared after the trailers before like it was like
where the Nicole kidman would go in an AMC. They

(13:26):
just had a lexis ad. Yeah, and I was it
was like unobtrusive and like because they do it right
as the lights are about to go down. I was
just like I didn't get up and start throwing things
like I should have, right, But.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Well, we've been conditioned to accept like pre roll ads
on video through YouTube and stuff, so I'm sure just like, yeah, yeah,
all right, here we go, Here we go, Here we go.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
I was, I just I did stick my finger up
and keep trying to hit skip it more seconds we're
just happening. But yeah, I think that's just generally where
we've been condition to accept bullshit across the board. That's
where we're at as a as a civilization. Rainbow capitalism

(14:09):
is now earth tone capitalism. Look at Target's latest colorless
Pride collection. It's called the Neutral Pride m Dash Neutrals Collection.
So we'll just talk about where we're at with Pride
this year. We'll talk about what AI's secret role in Hollywood.

(14:33):
They're already using it but trying not to acknowledge that
they're using it, and just all sorts of good things.
There's a mega credit card that was released with a
fully Ai TV commercial. It's all good stuff, plenty more.
But first, Katelyb, we do like to ask you, what
is something from your search history that is revealing about

(14:53):
who you are?

Speaker 3 (14:55):
I mean, I had to confirm what all right, all right,
all right is from because.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
All right, all right, all right, that's the one McConaughey
I think I said L I V I N earlier incidentally,
also from the same character.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Oh wow, okay, okay, I did I did not catch
that because I'm.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
A person I am. I like to quote. Those are
my Matthew McConaughey's pedophile character from Days and Computers. So
a chill one.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
I were about to cover it on the Bechdel Cast
and we were, you know, communicating with our guest, and
we like settled on it. I was like, how's this
time and date for everyone, and our guess was like
works for me. And then I was like all right,
all right, all right. But then I was like, shit,
is that from that movie? Like, I know, that's that's

(15:53):
something that Matthew McConaughey says, just.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
I meant, I meant, that's actually what I meant.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
So yeah, which is hard to type out.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
And yeah, I parenthetical pounding chest with.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
The vocal warm up he did for his one scene
in Wolf of Wall Street that they were just like, hey,
could you do that again? That was weird as fuck?
Can we just keep that in the movie.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, I'd rather not anyway, so I had to. I
thought I was pretty for I was pretty sure it
was originally from Daist and Confused, but I haven't seen
that movie in a very long time, so I had
to google it and make sure. And I was right.
Because I'm a genius when it comes to movies. I
know everything. I'm a walking encyclopedia, a walking eye.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Learn from you this movie clotes, I learned that a movie.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Quote your families asking you after you graduate and what
did you learn? Oh that I'm fucking goaded? Oh okay,
how what what do you mean? Just like, I fucking
I knew I fucking was the ship man, I fucking
even know why I bothered. This ship just told me
everything I already knew.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah, I wasted so much money goodwill hunting, Just like
you have any idea how easy this is for me
to pick the right movie quote at any given situation.
Fucking watch you fumble around and be like, I love
lamp when it should have been all right, all right,
all right, I love my pools.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
That's such a terrible mistake to get those wires crushed,
you love, I love lamp. No, what milk was a
bad choice? It's it's milk was a bad choice. Sorry, sorry,
Oh what do you love? Okay? Well, yeah, now this
is happening, and they marry Kickbackster off that bridge. That

(17:44):
was that was Jack bluck, That was Jack so bad
at this game?

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah you don't well you don't have a master's degree
in that.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
That's right, exactly. Do you have any idea how easy
this is for Kaylyn and difficult it is to watch
us fumble around and fuck these.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Movie quoted about getting the MFA. Okay, is that you
realize there's more than one movie that's Anchorman, that's right.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
That is also the other main thing I learned.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Caitlyn, is he talking about Anchorman too?

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Is that what Anchorman two?

Speaker 5 (18:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (18:17):
A movie?

Speaker 5 (18:18):
Besides yeah, yeah, I know there's more than there's other
movies that are Anchorman, Caitlin, what's something you think is underrated? I?

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Okay, this is something that I personally underrate, rather than
like something that society under rates, because any of these
questions are open to interpretation. Oh yeah, and I couldn't
think of anything.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Oh believe me, Miles, and I do overrated underrated every
Monday morning. And when I tell you that, I take
some liberties where I'm just like, I don't know, this
is a thought I had. How am I going to
make them turn this into an underrated Yeah?

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yeah, so you get it anyway, But this is true.
This is something that I do underrate, which is like
just acknowledging the positives of a situation, acknowledging what's nice
about something. And the reason I realized this is because
I have I have a little you know, on my
notes app, I have a list of like anticipating that

(19:22):
I will not be able to think of anything for
my over and underrated, So I'm like, oh, I had
this strange thought of thing of something I thought was underrated.
I'm going to write it down for the next time
I am a guest on the Daily Ze guest a
guest where I rightfully belong.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
So you must have a ton because you've last couple
of times you've been guest co posts.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
I know, I know.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
But what I was finding is that I had a
long list of things I think are overrated and no
things I think are underrated because I focus on the
negatives of sayings. I'm like when I, for example, and
I teach my screenwriting classes, I'm very good at giving
notes on something that needs to be improved or something

(20:06):
that's not working, and I have a harder time articulating
like what what is working about this and why? So
I just I tend to just like focus on the
negatives of everything, and so I undervalue and underwrite in
my own life the positives of things. So I'm like,
I don't know, I'm just I'm just working on it.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah, I will say that when you do have an
underrated you can do a lot of Like Paddington Too,
I feel like you really taught the told the world
like this is a film that you should be taking
more seriously. This is like what starts and would be
making if he hadn't disappeared up his own ass, you know,

(20:51):
like that this is and that's what I was like, Yeah,
this is this is correct, and yeah, I do feel
like you started a movement. So maybe you're also just
like really selective and only only picking the most correct
underrated things.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Wow, and and look at what you just did, Jack,
You focused on the positive, yes, of.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
More underrated are underrated? I think you're underrated, Minelan. I
don't know why I can only focus on the negatives too.
Oh no, I'm the same way, Like I always have
a hard time figure out what's underrated. But to that,
but your broader point like it, I'm the same way.
And I really had to like think about that question
about perception being reality of like when I'm so focused

(21:37):
on everything that's negative, I tend to just get fully
consumed in a very negative headspace and not like I
need to completely convince myself that, like.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Like let me focus on things that are made up,
but realizing there are good things too that you also
can bring your attention to. That just to even the
scales a bit, how about we do three less shitty
things and acknowledge three things that are neutral and maybe hey,
even nice.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
That's helped a lot because I felt like I was
always like a, like bad shit was happening, or like
I'd make mistakes and stuff like weird dumb, like just
weird shit that would like irritate me would happen more
When I was always focused on everything that was like
kissing me off.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
So yeah, no, and like I will, I'm my own
worst critic. I'm always like what what's what are you doing?
Why'd you do that? Blah blah blah, But I never
I never compliment myself and I should start. Yeah, So
hey listeners, if you have any compliments you would like
to pay me that I can plagiarize.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Right that you want to pay me to hear?

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, then me truly, like my brain never randomly thinks
of something cool I did in high school. It only
will be like it sucks so bad, something that keeps
you up at do you have Like I'll just like
to think of something that I said or did, like

(22:59):
maybe not high school, but like you know, in the past.
Sometimes recently I was just like, oh fuck, like I
just smelled a really bad fart or something and then
just just move along. But I never am like, ah,
remember that that was the right thing to say at
that moment. You know, you killed you bro? That was

(23:20):
actually really good, well done. Yeah, I think we all
struggle with it. But a great underrated. What's something you
think is overrated?

Speaker 3 (23:31):
I think that doing everything together, specifically like as a couple,
or like if you're traveling with people, or like just
any kind of unit of people who are going to
do an activity maybe and like the pressure to do
it all together and not be able to like split
off if there's a disagreement about what should be done.

(23:54):
It's just like this, like yeah, the pressure of like, no,
we have to do this together. Or again, if someone's
like in a real mantic couple ship, they're like, no,
I won't do this without my person. I have to
do it. We have to do everything together. I think
that's overrated and people should feel free to branch off, breakoff.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Who's catching tell me who's catching a subliminal stray? Right now?
That's what I want to know.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
I should just be able to have fun on my own.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Maybe you don't have to bring your partner this time.
I don't know. I get that it's new and exciting,
but please, I get the thing too, Like when you
go to like a theme park too, when people go literally.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Like, motherfucker, I hate that ride and I'm going to
be an asshole if you forced me to go on it.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Why don't you do that? And I will go have
a truro and I'll be right here when you're done.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
This is absolutely fine, but people act like, no, we
have to do this together, or like we don't.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
It's like the one dad, this it really should be
the one good thing. I all this, and like I
feel like I've had experience where I'm like, guys, we
have cell phones, like we have each other again. I'm
just yeah, we're still living like we're in the pre
cell phone era, like the cell phones have ruined fucking everything.
Just to at least enjoy this extra luxury of just

(25:17):
being like, yeah, we can fucking split off. I can
put my hood up and go ghost protocol like I
like to do sometimes on family.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Vacations, go on them.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
No, it's okay, a dad, he's going ghost protocol. You
can tell because his hoodie just went off.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
You mean he's having a panic attack in line for
the ride. So he just putting shot on the stairs
on his phone. I'm going ghost protocol, y'all. It's just
so funny to say, really spicing up the fact that
you're just feeling kind of off about shit. Sorry, I
gotta go ghost protocol. I'm off. That's great.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
No, I go ghost protocol all the time. If I'm
like traveling with someone and they want to do they
want to go to like of some fucking museum that
I don't give a shit about, I'm like, great, you
go do that. I'll go do this other thing. We
can meet up later for dinner or whatever.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Like great question, totally random. Who is the last person
you went on a trip with?

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Unrelated to this?

Speaker 2 (26:16):
And they're listening right.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Now and they're frying.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
No.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
I well, like when I I went to Ireland a
few years ago with my sister and she was like
kind of under the impression that we would do every
single thing together. She kept wanting to do things there
it is I didn't want to, Like, that's not how
I wanted to spend my time. So I was like,
if you want to buy all means And I think
she learned some independence right and then, and I learned

(26:41):
how to you know, clearly, but considerately establish some boundaries,
like an advocate for yourself experience for all of us.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yeah, oh, because you said you and your and your
sister's personalities are pretty different, right, quite different?

Speaker 5 (26:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, okay, do you remember you saying that? So this
this tracks? Okay, love you though, love you though?

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Yeah, love you Sarah. She's not listening. She doesn't care
about anything I do.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Okay, maybe we could have done a podcast together, but
you want to do.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
That, all right, And it is good that we have this,
this new piece of evidence because I think a lot
of Jamie was on last week talking about going to
the Snoopy Museum, and I think that I think people
would have been like Kaitlyn did want to go to
the Snoopy Museum but.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Oh yeah no, no, no, I would have gone, but I
wasn't invited.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
No, I'm kidding.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
No, everything is fine, it's great, love you, Jamie.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
I just wish we spent more time to get all right,
let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.
And we're back.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Oh he didn't finish it? Was then you didn't finish it?

Speaker 1 (28:01):
What am I supposed to be? And we're am I back?
Back from the ads.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
You see there you go.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
We were on a break and I just can't live
with that. You wang wow, just some monotone gang and
that just can't live without zeit gang.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yeah, we're back.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
We're back, and AMC trying to put Uh they've created
a fun I just like the degree to which this
is irresistible to marketing people and like I read it
and I was like, oh, this is happening. There's no
stopping this. This is a fucking freight train. There's nothing
that's going to stop this. They've they've created a new

(28:48):
ad spot that goes between the trailers and the feature presentation,
and they're calling it the Platinum spot. Right before this
starting the film, baby love.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
To see their offerings when they go out to potential advertisers.
I mean there's also the Platinum I don't know if
you guys meant do you think they do that maybe
where it's like Platinum spot, it's in a folder, it
falls out during the meeting and they're like, oh god, sorry,
you weren't supposed to see that. Well what was that?

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Nothing, you wouldn't be interested. It's like for super high
roller clients. No, No, I'd like I mean, I guess
it's the platinum spot. Now, well you just like that
kind of like that kind of like skeazy salesman tactic
to be like, well, this is the platinum spot where
people will be really angry because this will be the
last thing they remember before watching a movie.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
And I feel like it's probably also just knowing how
like business mambrane intersects with anything creative is they probably
saw They're like, look at how people are responding to
this Nicole Kidman thing, right, I mean that thing is
in the platinum spot as a phrase I just came
up with, and they really seem to respond well to it,

(30:03):
and so.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
So just using the transitive property to be like, people
are responding to this Nicole Kidman spot because it's in
the platinum spot. Therefore anything in the platinum spot will
be responded to as if it's an iconic meme. Do
they not realize that's what it is? It's interesting thing.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Like marketing business. Ye, people they always take away the
wrong message.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Exactly exactly the wrong message.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
It's like, I see it has to just go right
before the movie, And.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
I always think about that they're paying the most attention.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
I always think about the the two like heads of
the Beach Boys, Brian Wilson, who is like the musical genus,
and then Mike Love, who is just like a guy
who's like people like songs about chicks and surfing man
and like just that argument. And like Mike Love obviously
had the like backing of the labels, and so when

(31:01):
like Brian Wilson turned in pet sounds, he was like,
I'm sorry, guys, this sucks shit, Like we we were
better than this. Guy's got dang French horns on it.
A bunch of fucking for those dogs barking. Yeah, there
they're pet sounds. I'm sorry, you're fired.

Speaker 9 (31:18):
Man.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
It's like the Barbie movie. When it came out and
was a huge box office success, Executives were like, oh
my god, well people love movies based on toys, so
let's do a hot Wheels movie. Let's do a fucking
playmobile movie.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
All that ship is there gonna be There's not gonna
be a playmobile.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
Movie, right, well not yet until I write it.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
They're like they're the most stiff of like the block
toy people. I'm like, bro, the hell no, Bro, the
Plainmobile that's a fucking l yeah, well that's the same
thing where they're just like, we just need a Barbenheimer. Basically,
we just need two movies to come out on the
same weekend.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Remember, then everyone our toe into a weird Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Well how many how many minutes of commercials are there now?
Because I typically I always give myself ten minutes because
I'm like, you can always be timinous late, So I
am weird.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
My wife talks about how like the only I'm I'm
usually a fairly late person, just like that I run
late naturally, and the one thing that I am never late,
I'm like forty five minutes before a movie, I'm like,
we better get going, we better hit the road here.
She's like, what the fuck? Like you weren't this on
time for my birthday? And yet like every every time

(32:36):
we're going to see a movie.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Final Destination, blood Lines, blood Lines, we gotta there's and
I don't know, I just I need the trailer, like
I love the trailer.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
We gotta go. I don't. I hate to do this,
but I will go ghost protocol on you. No, I
don't tell.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
At that point, I just put the hood up. She knows,
she knows it goes protocol. So when you say how
many minutes?

Speaker 3 (33:00):
So because there are ads before the trailers start saying, OK,
twenty five minutes of trailers usually so yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
So what I mean is like if it says it's
a one thirty showing, that means that shit starts at
two pretty much. That's so disrespectful.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
I know, you know what I mean. It infuriates.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
I love trailers, Yeah, yeah, yeah, but like I don't know,
make them shorter, show fewer of them. Don't make me
sit through more than.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
The variability of it is. What is frustrating the fact
that sometimes, like the weekend Barbie came out, we were like, well,
we can get there a little bit late because it's
going to be like five hours of trailers. There's like
two minutes of trail. It was like we missed the
first scene because of the fucking trailer. Yeah, like they
just there's no real logic to it. This is actually

(33:48):
there's a bill that somebody's trying to get past, where
like movie theaters have to tell you when the movie
actually starts. Oh really can oh, thank you the start
time for the present, but then we need a feature
presentation start time, which I'm on board, but it also
when they mentioned it. I was like, like that that

(34:09):
sounded like science fiction to me, like anything that is
based on just like valuing consumer and just like human
beings experience over like the money making possibilities. I'm like,
that's not our timeline. That's a different world that never
had democrats.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
I know, you guys are looking for a low hanging
fruit because you don't want to contend with the real
shit going on. You can you can take on terms
and conditions. We've all talked about how we hate all
the fine print. We can talk about now legislation around
when a movie will start that will probably poll very
well based on what we've read about democrats. You're like, well,
if it polls popularly, maybe it's a policy we can.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
But those are the highest hanging fruits for democrats because
they are corporate. They require them to do something that
would anger corporations like that. It is like an impossibility
for them.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
All right, yeah, they'll throttle it back. What if we
gave like a fifteen minute window where the film may start.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yeah, what if we lied and said it was this time,
but then they came and they still had like three
Lexus ads to watch. Oh yeah, well that's lexus ads
told a story. The lexus ads are the movie.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
You know, when you like order a couch or something
and they give you like a delivery window of like
eight hours. I show up that they should do that
for movies, Like there's an eight hour window when this
movie couldn't start.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah, that's probably where we're headed. But it seems like
it's gonna be unpopular, but like not unpopular enough for
brands to not take advantage of the platinum spot. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
I just remember like in the nineties in LA there
were only two things that were not trailers that would
play before the movie R three. That one would be
just be like the general ad for the theater you're at.
The other one would be like a Coca Cola Polar
Bear fucking spot or like the let's.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
All go to the lobby, let's talk.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
And then the one they played a lot in LA
where these La Times commercials about like weird shit on
movie sets like little it would be like little vignettes
from a movie set where like a PA would be like, hey,
I need a spinner over here, stat and the guy's like,
what's a spinner? Going all the departments on a set,
like what's a spinner and they get to craft services
and it's like a wooden coffee stirring thing too. He's like,

(36:21):
just spinner and then like mixes the coffee. He's like oh,
and it's like la times. It's like we know the biz,
so you don't. It was like that kind of shit, Yeah,
La times.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Fucking turns. They're stupid as hell, right, lame as hell
nog fuck them. Yeah, it is random like that. It
does feel like now that they're doing this, I'm like,
it's kind of miraculous that they didn't do this twenty
years ago. Like that they've just been having ads for

(36:53):
other movies, which makes sense to me, but then like
ads for the movies in general and the concession stand
like it just feels like from another era, Like stop
motion popcorn guy is going to tell you to go
to eat popcorn.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
There's when you when you go to a movie in
a different country. Ever heard of it?

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Maybe try it sometime.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Okay, wait, when you're seeing Anchorman somewhere.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Or Anchorman two?

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Anchorman? Do you keep speaking of this.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Trip to Ireland? I went on with my sister. I
went to the movies in Ireland and instead, well, I
think in addition to ads and trailers, they also have
like p s as where it's like here's what to
do if you fall through thin ice, and like here's
how not to drown or like it was just like

(37:53):
and I was like, wait a minute, it was like
survival tips.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
I just came on. The people are watching it, yes,
and I was like, unbelievable, unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
I don't know if you're falling first crypto scam what oh,
thank you, Here's what to do.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Yeah, but it's actually like sponsored by Crypto you know,
it is in America and by come on now, brought
to you by.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Fucking yeah bathing by Crypto dot com arena.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
All right, let's talk about it. Let's let's continue talking
about cool marketing and the world that we live in.
It's June, which means it's time of the year when
corporations trot out their ill conceived acts of self serving
performative LGBTQ ally ship a La Burger Kings twenty twenty

(38:43):
two Pride Whopper Did you yummy? You guys remember this one?
This was a whopper where Austria, Right in Austria, you
could either get two top buns or two bottom buns.
I'm looking at the picture.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Yeah, and I didn't realize what I was looking at
until you said.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
This, And wow, the two bottom buns looks good. I
don't know. I think it's reminding me of like Texas
toast a little bit, you know, it's like, yeahs buttered.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
It looks like a sour dough jack.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Yeah, it does look like. That's what I'm thinking. The
top one too, bready.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Also completely right, but if you're into that, of course, yeah,
two bottoms.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
I'm not okay with that. I'm okay with everything, but
not okay with people who are into two hamburger top ones.
That's where I draw the line.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
So it's just like a traditional bun with a top
and a bottom? Are those for?

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Just like verse?

Speaker 2 (39:41):
I know that's what I mean.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Well, so that's the confusing thing, because that's not how
like we you can't two bottoms and two tops is not. Yeah,
that's not fun. But then they were like, oh so
so this is This is a quote from someone who said,
when I first saw the burger, I thought it was
a joke about two tops or two bottoms. It took

(40:04):
me a little while to realize they were supposed to
be representing same sex couples by having same type buns
paired up.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
You absolute dummy.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Fucking swish from the logo.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
You know it. Not a single person from that community
is in that fucking marketing like meeting where they'd.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Never heard the phrase tops and bottoms.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yeah, like it's like the two girl ones and the
two boy ones. Yeah, yeah there and then I'm sure
that's how someone said it too.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Okay, Wait, is is the top rounded bun the quote
unquote girl or boy?

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Wait? Which ones? Which which?

Speaker 1 (40:43):
And that's up to your interpretation. That's how little thing
is that they don't even tell you.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
That doesn't matter. Hey, to us, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
We don't mature, you know whatever weird stuff you're in,
and it is weird closed.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
I mean, look, this burger looks fucking freaky. I'm not
gonna lie. This looks fucking weird. But hey, whatever you
we love you, We're by it.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Please, but you don't know what you got until it's gone,
you guys. A phrase that I just made up the
right is celebrating the fact that stores like Macy's and
Target are like this Pride Month are not given like
the front page is just Father's day. Shit, they have
Pride stuff, but it's like buried on the website.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
People post, people post like from inside the Target. They're like,
look at this year's display. It's gone, We're winning America.
And you're like, yeah, Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
I mean Target's losing money though. So Target has a
Pride Neutrals collection, which is pretty wide. It's a Pride
Pride clothes that are just like like skin tone, like
they're they're just all like beige neutral, like I don't know,

(42:01):
like the it's there.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Was one that there's like a T shirt that just
has a rainbow tag at the bottom. Hem yes, and
they're like, that's Pride.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
They're selling a Pride sweatshirt that has a that's just
a beige hoodie with out loud and Proud written in
tiny print on the string. So they're saying out loud
and proud in like a way that seems like it's
an act of satire.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Wow, well, I mean this this all tracks because you
know how the cowardice of Target with Trump coming into office,
they're like, NODI know nothing, no, no, we're against everything
now is that what you want? Trump? Meanwhile, black people
have completely boycotted Target and many other people have too,
but like it's and there are constant calls to continue

(42:45):
the boycotts for Target, and it's it's showing up in
their bottom line. They're like year over year foot traffics down,
revenues going down. But hey, I'm is this what you
Is that good for a business to have people not
come anymore?

Speaker 3 (42:59):
Just right used to they try to course correct, you
would think.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
But maybe this is their way to be Like, maybe
they'll be okay if it's just like the most sort
of so obscure, subtle version of pride, because that's what
pride's all about, just doing yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Yeah, yeah, keeping it under wraps and not being out
and loud and proud. I read something that the CEO
took like a huge had to take like a huge
pay cut because of the loss of revenue.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
So that's nice. Yeah, it's to please the shareholders.

Speaker 7 (43:34):
I'll take less money, so, you know, just just we're
just save some things there based on the fact that
we've upset pretty much all non Republican voters.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
And probably doing massive like stock buybacks to enrich themselves
or you know, something along those lines. I don't I
don't really know what a stock buyback is but you
know how the c suite people are able to always
figure something out Golden parachutes. You know, just imagine that,
I know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
These these clothes are so ugly. I'm looking at the.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Really like and to have it out loud and proud
written only on the draw string is so so wild.
It's but yeah, I mean, they are afraid of reprisals
from some type of people, you know, They're afraid of
Trump targeting them. They're afraid of Trump supporters doing what

(44:26):
they did with bud Light. And because those tend to
be the people who maybe show up in their social
media algorithms more so than you know, people of color
or working class people, that's probably the thing that hits
hardest with them, would be my guess, you know, yeah,
because they they don't seem to be worried about target

(44:48):
boycotts or anything. They just seem to be worried about
is Donald Trump gonna be mad at us?

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Brave? Brave?

Speaker 1 (44:57):
So I mean bailing on the kind of cringey promotion
isn't the end of the world. But the bigger problem
is they're no longer sponsoring pride events like Pride organizers
in the US have been dealing with a sudden massive
budget deficit this year due to normally reliable companies withdrawing
their financial support, and YC Pride is down seven hundred

(45:18):
and fifty thousand dollars as a result when it comes
to like planning and funding their celebration, which that's what's
them just being cowardly and like moving the display to
the back and moving the pride messaging to the drawstring
is like I see the corporate logic there, but then

(45:40):
also just being like we're also not going to like
provide any money, like quiet.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
They can't be too. Yeah, it's just so that's why
it's so offensive, And I'm like, yeah, fuck these places,
like when they don't even have the like no courage
at all. And and again I think it also, like
you said, it reveals how performative this shit is to
begin with, because if it can be fucking in a
snap just taken back, it was y'all were never about
it to begin with. But unfortunately that does mean that

(46:07):
people take a hit. But also, what do you think
happens in these cities when they have Pride fest People
come in to congregate, and I'm sure the money people
know that creates revenue.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
They're spending money.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Yeah, but again they'll just do this to please like
such a slim minority of people who will just post
to libs of TikTok or some shit, and they're like, sorry,
we just we can't handle this. We can't handle. What
we can handle is our bottom line being negatively affected
by boycotts because people are upset with our backwards policies.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Now mm hm.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Yeah, Pride is like the biggest day, like they it's
some of these plates like Airbnb has estimated that Pride
festivals bringing seventy seven million nationally to like hosts. Lift
has reported that Pride has an even bigger impact on
demand for ride shares than a Taylor Swift concert. This
Pride brings in sixteen to eighteen million for Ohio's economy

(47:05):
each year. But they're not doing it. And it's an
especially bad time for these organizations to be running out
of funding because they need way more money because they're
having to spend extra money on security in order to
protect people from the right wing extremists. That those companies
are worried about offending frustrating, and those are the ones

(47:31):
that we have a lot of evidence of you know,
massive acts of violence being perpetrated on Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
IGBTQ community. You know everyone. We're always taking lessons this year.
I hope one is to know that these companies don't
give a fun do not give a funny thing except
for their bottom line. And that was ever fucking don't
ever stop like we all I feel like twenty twenty
five is a year, but people have to stop falling
for it. Stop the market based.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Like the market's gonna correct and the companies aren't going
to allow for a dictatorship to happen, because that would
be bad for their bottom line. Like those people have
all been shut the fuck up, like presses.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yeah, they all got.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
In live, everybody got in line. Yeah. There's a whole
list of companies here that just bailed on. You know,
Anheuser Busch, which has been sponsoring Pride in Saint Louis
for thirty years, backed out. Whoa, yeah, yeah, it's fucked up. Cowards, cowards.
I mean they were doing it when it yeah, probably

(48:38):
wasn't that popular, but now now they're they're backing out,
so yep.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
But it's it's just, I mean, the funny thing is
all this shit that they tried to do disappear like
the contributions of black or gay people in this country,
and like reach changing the names of fucking battleships, change
the nameless Harvey Milk ship, doing it something else. It's
all it really does. I mean, in a way, I

(49:04):
think they believe that merely just needs, like very superficial
things will completely push back people and make them ashamed
or something or not feel like that this isn't a
place where they can exist. But on the same time,
there's this article I think that we shared on the
footnotes from earlier this week that was talking about how
this is set off a bunch of smaller pride events

(49:26):
that are completely sort of separate from this, like corporate version,
where people are merely as like human beings coming together
to celebrate and have their own events. So, I mean
it just shows you, like, even if you want to
try and cut off like the corporate head of these things,
it's not going to stop people from celebrating their communities
and things like that, which is what they want. But

(49:47):
again it's not sorry, that's not happening.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Yeah, I mean, queer people are very good at finding
community and choosing family and like getting together and making
their own building their own communities.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
So without the help, without the help, no, I just
don't know how I'm gonna do it without Anheuser, bush
around or Comcast. God got a blow, damn yeah yeah,
all right, let's take a quick break and we'll be
right back. And we're back. We're back, and the AI

(50:33):
trained just to keep the rolling and over here. We're excited.
But if we just like one.

Speaker 6 (50:39):
Day just went fully like an AI is good, awesome,
you start our voices, listeners, it's because I'm trying to
rebuild a burnt down home.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
If you see me starting to be like I mean,
I mean, this is this is my soul leaves my body.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
This is kind of an attempt to do that from
a creator, a famous creative, Natasha Leoni, who you know
from things like poker Face.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
And Russian Doll American Pie like that.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
I'm a cheerleader, but I'm a cheerlead.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Yes, very very good.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Happened to Purdue Who wasn't that wasn't They never go on?
Sorry it didn't mean anyways. Uh.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
She is the co founder of Asteria, an AI production
studio that claims to be an artist led ethical AI
Film and Animation studio, and they are launching with a
movie called Uncanny Valley that will be made by combining
AI tools with traditional filmmaking techniques. Describes itself as an

(51:50):
The production company just describes itself as an artist led
ethical AI film an Animation studio. The news has obviously
sparked it back, prompting her to clarify that the movie
won't omit any department heads or production designers or cinematographers.
That has more like a green screen or something like that. Wow,

(52:10):
it's the way that's written. It's like they write the
way she talks. It's like a green screen or something
like that. Like oh okay, yeah, yeah, that's not too bad.
It's like, but this is a weird move for an actor.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yeah, well, especially when you have people like Joseph Gordon
Levitt who are like, this is going to take away
the incentive for people to even create or want to
strive for something if if AI takes all over all
this shit.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Yeah, they claim that it's like trained on only what
licensed licensed content. However, when you ask other companies like
how how you why don't you just like use licensed content,
They're like that would be impossible. Like none of this
is possible with just license content, so remains to be
seen how that's actually working out, because it's a very.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
It's this, but that's what the chat cheep, the open
a open AI lady said a few years ago when
they were talking about there, like it's actually through like
light it like agreements that we have with people. And
then it came out that it wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Was just and I love to say that she's license
should be noted. Asteria was founded by Leoni and her
boyfriend Brinn Mooser. What brit Hyan Mooser? There's no, like
I think maybe it's Brian, Like I don't know, No,

(53:33):
that's Brandon. Sorry, that's a that's a Mooser if I've
ever seen one. M O O s e R. Who
is a tech bro whose mentors include Bob Iger and
Elon Musk. So in case you were wondering where this
idea came from and who was telling her, Like now
this is fine, we talking about Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
The weird and Natasha run they're running an OPI Although
I don't know, maybe you do believe this, but like
when I like how this dude was described as a
quote serial entrepreneur.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
I know that, And that's like a thing they say
is good, Like, that's that's what you want people to
introduce you as.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
To me, I see somebody who doesn't. It was just like,
will fucking try and make anything fucking happen by any
means necessary. I'n't tell this lady. I love her, Okay,
I give.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Who Just tell me who the best person to have
on our side is. I'll make it happen.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Will going to AI AI? Who is the best celebrity
actress I could use to help? Sort of trojan horse?
The idea of an AI company in Hollywood being a
good thing?

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Hey, Also, the company describing itself as being an ethical
AI an animation sude like there's no such thing as
ethical AI.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Yeah, based on the environmental impact alone, but on then
also everything else, But like, no such thing.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
That's why everything they say is bullshit. You didn't train
it on licensed to material. This shit isn't ethical. You're
just saying all the things to try and neutralize those
first instincts people have when they hear about AI in
a space anywhere, because people are gonna be like, oh,
that's just gonna probably you're gonna be firing human beings
and they go, no, we didn't even get rid of
any department heads, nothing like that. And it's not even

(55:19):
trained off other people's copyrighted materials. And it's also like
ethical and it's it's cruelty free and organic okay on GMO. Okay.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Corporations can't say ethical if it's not ethical, you guys,
I'm sorry, Oh, I'm sorry. No, it's the opposite. They
would never say ethical if it was actually ethical. They
would only do something ethical by accident.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
If it's horribly unethical.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah, well one of the big uh so, the controvert
people are like, this is bullshit. And then Natasha Leoni,
who was neighbors with David Lynch, was like, I actually
talked to David Lynch and he signed off on this project.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Motherfucker, he said.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
I asked him, Hey, David, what do you think of AI?
And he said, Natasha, look over there, this is a pencil. Okay,
everyone has access to a pencil, and likewise everyone with
a phone will be using AI if they aren't already.
It's how you use the pencil, you see, And that

(56:19):
maybe true? What does he mean?

Speaker 9 (56:23):
Yeah, just like everybody, everybody's gonna use be using AI,
which may be true, but it doesn't mean that like
he's thought through the ethical implications of its use, or
that everybody's like that he's fully up on like what
the environmental impact.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
I'm sorry, I don't know if David Lynch was in
the right state to really be fully answering the question
about the This is.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Just her work. Somebody who was like Natasha Leoni the
next time she's asked about AI and just showed the
poster for Weekend at Bernie's because they were like kind
of weird to be, Yeah, using David Lynch as your
shield here, loved dead filmmaker as your puppet for saying that.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
This, yeah, well yeah, we can't ask him to clarify.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
It's kind of perfect, you know, to put words in
a dead person's mouth like that, and like because you
have enough plausible deny that, like, well, well, first of all,
I'm his neighbor. We were neighbors, so of course I
was talking to him, and you know, you're talking about
my neighbor right now. That's my neighbor, David Lynch, you're
talking about You said it was okay, it's a pencil,
it's a pencil, Okay, it's a very cool pencil that

(57:31):
will burn the earth down.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
But people within Hollywood are saying that AI is already
being made or being used to make a lot of content.
It's just they're not admitting it. So it's like a
thing where like, for instance, a costume designer will get
a job and they'll have to like turn something around
really quickly, and so they'll have the AI generate the

(57:53):
idea for them, and then instead of turning that in,
they will then hire an artist to draw the thing
AI generated and then be like whila, original creation drawing,
original human, original human drawing. And then they're like, oh,
but isn't that worse And they're like yeah, but nobody notices, right,

(58:17):
that's just what is happening, Like across the board. I
feel like like, well that and like that they are.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Using NDAs for people, like when they are using AI.

Speaker 8 (58:26):
Yeah, I'll tell anybody we use AI, I'm all fuck
you up because we can't have the Unions coming at
us like it's so fucking underhanded. And I'm you know,
I'm not surprised like that.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
It's already creeping in more and more and more, just
not in a fucking hooray type of way.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Yeah, this one a story bird artist storybird storyboard artists
said quote, and if your back's against the wall, it's tempting,
even if the result is of dubious quality and dubious
ethical makeup. And I feel like this is exactly what
everything is going. Like all jobs are just going to

(59:04):
be people using AI to create C plus work, and
there's just no penalty for turning in C plus work,
and so it's just like everything's going to get shittier
in a way that will be I mean everything already
has gotten shittier, you know, and like nothing happened. So
once we let them get away with that, and now

(59:25):
now that you can just like turn it over to
a fucking automated C plus machine, like you're we're just
going to see everything turned to shit and we're not
even going to be able to like describe what's happening.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
It's the idea of like putting a band aid on
the problem, but not treating the problem itself. Because the
problem is like everyone's overworked and underwhelmed, and there's deadlines
and because because of capitalism and we so we just
have to like churn out shit that AI generates to
like meet the deadline or whatever, and rather than I'm like, oh,

(01:00:00):
let's let's I don't know, dismantle capitalism so we're not
all like killing ourselves trying to get work done that
doesn't even fucking need to be done in the first place.
We've just invented all of these whatever, fucking arbitrary totally
fabricated assignments and deadlines and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
But kaylin, I just saw what the Hulk Vthano's fistfight
should have, how it should have three yeah, yeah, yeah,
And that's it. Like, that's what's so funny to me.
They Hollywood should have been the first fucking line of
defense against this ship to be like, this is going
to fucking kill us.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Further, well, they haven't been in all the movies that
are like, hey, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
A written by normal people in the studio heads, you
know what I mean, where they're.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Like again, I'm like, I'm like, why doren't why aren't
we remembering? Fuck? You know, the Matrix Terminator. All the
movies were Ai is Ai Aihi.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
But I think you know because like we talked on
Trends yesterday about this commercial that was made fully with
AI and it again it looks like shit, but you
can based on what a video looks like a year ago,
like and if this is where we're at now, I
can't imagine in another year from now what it's gonna
look like. But that's a direct threat to the two
hundred and fifty billion dollars a year TV ad industry.

(01:01:29):
Like if people can just start cooking up shit like
this and they're not even seeing that part of it,
they're like, well, we can get away with underpaying people
or using less people we have to pay by using
AI without realizing that the proliferation of it is creating
an existential threat to everything you do, because now anyone
can shit out this crap. But go ahead, I guess, well,

(01:01:51):
I guess you'll just have to find out as you
fuck around.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Nah, it never works that way. Yeah, Nah, we fuck
around and then it just keeps getting better.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
No, soon we're all going to be just like working
at those whatever fucking cooling data centers and like I
don't know, throwing buckets of water on the drinking Yeah,
and that'll be all of ours before you AI users.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Yeah yeah, I mean yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
It's like, you know, if you work at the data
center cooling rooms, you actually get to sip the water
that you throw them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
And you get to steal SIPs all day waters, unlimited
SIPs and unlimited days off.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Whoa, you're gonna love it here. But they don't pay me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
It's the SIPs. They pay me in SIPs.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
That's what That's what our future is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Anyway, I know it does feel like that, like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Anyways, good time. Yeah, it's gonna be good. We're going
to figure it out. We're going to figure it out. Caitlin.
Such a pleasure having you as always on the daily zite.
Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Oh, you can follow me mostly on Instagram and you can.
I have a screenwriting an intro to screenwriting class that
starts in like early mid August area a couple months
from now. If you go to my website Kaitlindurante dot
com slash classes, you can find more info there and

(01:03:26):
you can register if you're interested. What else, that's pretty
much it. I mean, listen to the beachdel cast, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
You must, you must, so good, you must.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Is there a work a media that you've been enjoying? Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Yeah, I had mentioned The Ugly Step Sister, which I
think came out in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
It's a recent film. It is the Cinderella narrative as
told through the lens of the ugly stepsister.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Oh, done with the wickedization of the ugly step sister.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
It's a body horror movie.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
It happens to them.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
You'll have to watch and find out. I really liked
it and I picked it because I once again couldn't
think of anything else because I don't go online. I
don't see what people are socialing posting on social media
except for I mean piece of media. I've enjoying Caitlin
Johnstone's entire feed and all the stuff that she says

(01:04:32):
about how Israel sucks and all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Anyway, they don't go on social media.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
I mean that's my feed is literally on Instagram, like
it's it's news about Palestine and it's cat videos. Okay,
it's those two things.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Balance balance, balance, Yeah, Miles, where can people find you?

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Is there a workimedia you've been enjoying me?

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Mm hmm, Oh, you can find me at Miles of Gray.
Everywhere you find Jack, I have the basketball podcast twenty
Day for twenty day fiance. My mom said I should
mumble less in the outro, So I'm trying to be
more eloquent and more elegm.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Listens, my sister doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
My mom listens and gives a lot more feedback than
I'd like from someone who doesn't podcast mom anyway. Yeah,
that's where you find it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Is she maybe passing a long feedback to you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
She will, she will. My mom will not hold back.
She will hit you with a direct note if she
wanted me to give you Jack, because I remember early on,
early on, my mom's big note was Jack always sounds nervous.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
And then just on me in general.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Yeah, yeah, she goes, is he nervous? Is he nervous?
This is like the I remember the first like first
year of the thing, and then year two she's like, Jack,
is he's not nervous anymore? I can hear it. He's like,
this show is so good with the two of you,
And she's like, but you have to stop mumbling and
saying things that don't make sense. So this is the

(01:06:07):
show called nervous, nervous and shit and the guy who
makes no sense that is happening all the time, nervous
and mumble mouth thanks mom Um. Gotta love a little
bit of immigrant parent feedback on something that's become your
life's work. Okay, a couple of things I like from
Blue Sky, Uh just on the elon musk and Donald

(01:06:30):
Trump saga at Nikki mcr skuy on social post it
it's like watching the shittiest couple you know break up
in the maul food court. Yes, it is that. Another
one siege at siege dot online. They should invent a
pill that shrinks you down to the size of a
teeny little guy before long flights, stretched out on a
tiny beach chair, pitched on the seat, nibbling a peanut

(01:06:52):
the size of your body, drinking a bloody marry out
of a thimble, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
And then at monetize that we call it the platinum pill.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Yeah, the platinum pill. Oh god, so tiny. This is
how we're gonna get man housing crisis solved. If every
if we can fit forty two million people in the
studio apartment, the pill.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
There's a is it a Matt Damon moved downsize?

Speaker 5 (01:07:17):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Downsize right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
A movie that I should have been so like I
was raised on Honey, I shrunk the kids. I think
it was like a famous director was making it Love
a Matt Damon and did not watch it and have
never once been told like you should have watched that one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Alexander Paide, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Lexander Pain was like what if like Honey, I shrunk
the kids was like moody And for adults.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
What if I follow up Nebraska with this director?

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Yeah? Yeah, I always get him and David O.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Russell confused anyway, And then the last post, I like
Chase at Madar dot be Scout at Social posted because
we're talking about Kree Jean Pierre's new book, Karim Jean Pierre,
far from being a turncoat, has stayed true to the
essence of our institutional Democratic party, self seeking careerism welded
to embarrassing incompetence. I have no doubt the former colleagues

(01:08:17):
denouncing her feel this and are cheering her on. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Yeah, you can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore,
Brian on Blue Sky at jack ob The number one
tweet I enjoyed at two thick Scoops tweeted just the
Gmail summary from you know how the iPhone will give
you or your phone will give you, like a Gmail
summary of what's going on in your inbox and it

(01:08:42):
said Gmail Jersey Mike's order pick up at twelve forty
eight pm semi colon Dutch government collapses over migration dispute.
He said, okay, sounds good. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
We need someone to talk about when you give to
the Jersey Mikes, and.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Then I do enjoy the images. AI could never recreate account.
This one was question two of two how often would
you like to get updates about cheddar Cheese? Never? Only
if something big happens. A few times a year, a
few times a month. They have only if something big happens.
I just got to know if something big happens with

(01:09:17):
cheddar Cheese. You can find Awesome Blue Sky on Twitter
at daily Zeit Guys read the daily Zeit guyst on Instagram.
You can go to the description of this episode wherever
you're listening to it, and there you will find the
footnote no, which is where we link off to the
information that we talked about in today's episode. We also
link off to a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles,

(01:09:39):
is there a song that you think that people might enjoy?

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Yeah, so wet leg you know, hot off the Shaise
Long Chase, Long just Fever that captains song is more
changed the way I pronounced Shase long Bean Shay's Long.
They got a new single out cause CPR It's and
I'm really digging it. So this is the new single

(01:10:01):
from wet Leg cp R wet Leg.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Yeah, I lind that album, totally forgot about it all right,
Well we will link off to that in the footnote
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