Citizen Journalism vs. Fascism, ICE vs. Pushups 10.22.25

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
People who are like rooting against the Dodgers have a
have a sense of dread.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yeah, every write up I've read because I'm obviously I'm
I'm mentally ill, so I only see the Dodgers winning
anything down You're in La Sport, But yeah, I'm it's like,
my mom is so fucking sad. All the old Japanese
women in my life are fucking partying like they're so

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ready for this world series because they just it's a
new era, it's a new time.

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They like this Otani guy. They think he's pretty good.

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They think he might be up to something.

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Big prediction from Victor the Dodgers are gonna win the
Super Bowl. Also, Hello the Internet, and welcome to season
four eleven, episode three of Dead Alley's Guys, a production
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I probably a pound in a quarter. There were a
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Speaker 1 (02:21):
My name is Jack O'Brien aka. I want my thong
to have American with a little string up my butt,
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snarfula like anytime I do a semi charm kind of
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was on a lot of people's minds. Shout out to
Kim Kardashian and Miles, who coined the phrase the Edison
of Americans. Thrilled to be joined as always by my
co host, mister Miles grad Yes.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
The Proud Angelina, the Lord of Lancasham, the Valley's very owned,
the showgun with no gun. It's Miles, it's me. It's Miles.
It's Miles. Great to be here, Great to be here.
It's things are feeling buoyant kind of in the city. Yeah,
you know, you know that just a lot of Dodger
the Dodger energy is swirling in northeast Los Angeles. He's

(03:28):
Los Angeles area, and it's it's nice to see. It's
nice to see.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Wheneverody's coming out. Yeah, yeah, Miles, we are thrilled to
be joined in our third seat today by a Washington
Post investigative journalist whose new book, co authored with Fatima Jamalpur,
was just long listed for the twenty twenty five National
Book Awards for Nonfiction. It's called for the Sun After
Long Nights, the story of the Iran's women led Uprising.

(03:54):
Please welcome, Nilo to Breeze.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Hi. Hey, Hey, how you doing. I'm welcome, welcome, welcome
to the show.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Thank you so much for having me, thank you.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
For being here.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
We have we've We've done it again, Jack, We've brought
on somebody I know, it's so much smarter than us.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Who I know. I like to just frontload the songs
about mercans. So it's just like clear right up from you,
you're talking to idiots. Well you really appreciate you coming on.
Congratulations on the book for the awards that I'm sure
soon to follow. But yeah, what what are you doing
on this podcast? And I'm just doing. We're thrilled to

(04:35):
have you. Where are you coming to us from.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
I'm coming to you from Brooklyn, New York.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Bokay, and I've heard of it.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yes, yes, I'm aware. I'm savvy. I'm savvy. What's the
I mean the every time someone has a book coming out,
and I was like, how exhausted are you?

Speaker 3 (04:52):
I am exhausted, but very excited, Like it's it's it's
been you know, two years of putting this together and
seeing this out world. This is like probably the closest
I'm coming to this moment is like this is my
child right now, so I like seeing her take her
first steps. It's very exciting. And I also told my friends.
I was like, if I ever want to write a

(05:12):
book again, like you have to stop me. It's a
hard process. And like while I'm like really excited talking
about the book with people, I'm still working, like I
still doing my day job and also right now working
on a proposal for a second book. So my friends
really show up. I don't know I need all new friends.
I think this is what's clear.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
You just told them to say, slap the book out
of my hand. If I'm trying to write it, get
it away from absolutely.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah. Is it?

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Is it a similar subject matter? Are you kind of
like in you don't have to reveal anything, but are
you trying to do something different or you found sort
of a lane that you kind of feel really good
about writing.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah, I mean, I love reporting and writing on Iran.
It's such a it's just such an honor to be
able to platform voices from inside my country. And it's
you know, like doing this work you run means that
I can't return, so it's it's a really nice way
to keep a connection and to again platform voices. So
it'll be about Iran again.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
So I've made similar pacts with my friends in the
past where it was like, never let me do that again.
It was not about writing books though, that's and they
were similarly bad at stopping me. So but I am
impressed that you're like, guys, you gotta stop me. I'm
too prolific. I was books.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
I was like, I need to sleep, like at some point,
like I need to be put down for a nap,
and no one is stopping me.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
So it's tough. All right.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Well, we're thrilled to have you. We're going to get
to know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
we're going to tell the listeners a couple of things
we're going to be talking about. We're going to talk
about citizen journalism, which is part of the story of
your book, and how your book came together, and what
you think the role of citizen journalism can be in
these United States? That there are some people who think

(07:00):
that there's also an authoritarian vibe happening over here. I
don't know what they're talking about, but yeah, like, what
is the role of citizen journalism in an authoritarian government?

Speaker 2 (07:12):
We'll talk about era with like consolidation around mainstream media,
where yeah, very I think, yeah, I'm gonna get ahead
of myself and think it's probably very important, but I'm
obviously nilo will.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Okay, thank you. We're gonna talk about Lindsay Halligan and
her understanding of journalism. This is the US attorney who
used to be a insurance lawyer and then met Trump
at a party and he was like, you're here now
in charge of very important shit, and just her understanding

(07:48):
of how journalism works. We'll talk about ICE and their
greatest adversary, fifteen push ups. Yeah, that seems to be
a real stumbling block for ICE right now, so we'll
talk about that. We'll talk about Donald. Have you guys
heard about this Donald trumpka. We'll talk about his unpopularity
and also his bragging about surviving an assassination at a

(08:12):
ceremony honoring someone who was killed in an assassination. Yeah,
that was interesting. On all of that plenty more. We
might even get into some citizen journalism that happened around
the All Bald screening of Them at Stone's Newest movie.
So there is some hard hitting citizen journalism happening.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
We contain multitudes all of.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
That plenty more. But first, Nila, we do like to
ask our guest, what is something from your search history
that's revealing about who you are? Well?

Speaker 3 (08:40):
I think I went through and looked at my tabs,
of which in my phone I had seventy six, so
that's first of all. But my most recent one was
I was looking up miniatures of Persian paintings. These were
like huge, very ornate paintings from fourteenth seventeenth century. But
I was looking at them because I use this visual
to pitch a music video to this artist that I

(09:02):
really wanted to work with, So you know I did.
This is my on the side project is making those
music videos like.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
The coolest shit. You're like, yeah, and I'm like making
music videos or whatever. Whatever.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
You know, somebody stopped me. I'm so tired.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Too many fucking cool projects that are working on. Are
you a fan of maniatures broadly? Is this something that
just like kind of popped up for this particular project.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
I think they're really beautiful. So they're like full page illustrations,
really detailed. Sometimes they can even look like a dollhouse,
like if you cut an apartment in half and you
can see all the rooms. And these were really ornate,
like yeah, they show poetry, they show gatherings, they're really detailed,
and I just thought they were really cool. And there's
this Iranian American musician named na Ro and she makes

(09:51):
all types of music like Spanish language music, Persian language,
English language, and I said to hers, like, I think
this would be a cool way to do culture with
a music video for you that isn't like something very
on the nose or yeah. Yeah, but they're interesting, Like
I love Persian poetry and they use these very old,
beautiful style of artwork to illustrate it. So yeah, very cool.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
I went to a museum one time in New York
City that had this okay, break, give it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
I go to.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Museums occasionally in New York City, usually bored to tears,
but this one had this thing called the nutshell studies
of Unexplained Death. Have you guys heard of that? It's
just like all these crime scenes that are like re
enacted with miniatures. I was like, oh shit, cool, Like
art can be so fun for the seven year old

(10:40):
in me. But this artist, Francis Glesner, who lived from
eighteen seventy eight to nineteen sixty two, I'm not looking
that up. I just remember all of this from my
trip to the museum twenty years ago, was just obsessed with,
you know, recreating crime scenes, and it was it was dope.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
And now we have true crime docuseries.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Exactly who was on that ship?

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (11:02):
What is something you think is underrated?

Speaker 3 (11:05):
New York City public buses? Okay? Is it going to
take you forty five minutes to take a bus where
it could take you fifteen minutes in an uber? Absolutely?
Or you know, are you spending ten extra minutes taking
a bus instead of a subway?

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (11:19):
But like I want to be above ground? Dare I
want to see sunlight?

Speaker 1 (11:23):
You know?

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Do I do? I want to be on a bus
at three pm when teens it's like after school and
there's teen drama. I want all of these things.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah, I thought you were going to say, no, hell yeah,
that sounds amazing.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
What kind of drama, like are you like overhearing? Just
like little.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Headphones on it's paused like I am listening, it's on
transparency mode.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's like I'm gonna actually turn up on the hearing
aid to magnify the sound.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
I'm just sitting closer and they're like, help, there's an
old woman Europe. But no, just like drama over texting
someone back and snap chatting someone. It's very It's just
like it's nice and it's missing, is yeahful? And also
New York teens are all very cool and so I'm
very interested in them. Like a couple summers ago, a
New York team said something to me so cutting like

(12:10):
I was vaping sorry on a bench reading the Paris
Review Highs and lows. Damn, and these like teens like
cool cargo shorts, crop tops walk by me without even looking.
They just imagine vaping in twenty twenty two, which is
so wow, like like that it really it really hurt.

(12:34):
Immediately threw my lost Mary away and I was like
I can't. I can't behave like this anymore. So it's
just like they're cool.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Were they smoking a pipe like Sherlock Holmes, Like, what
was there?

Speaker 3 (12:44):
They have like a year of a mate?

Speaker 1 (12:48):
What's cool with the teens? I was only vaping because
I thought it made me look like a teenager.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Literally, I was like, I wonder why these youths think
this is cool. So, yeah, teen culture, It's like they're
just cool than us. I'm very interested in what they're
up to, right, And so.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
You're one of those sunlight sickos. You like the sunlight, huh,
instead of underground with just roller coaster grease and terrible smells.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
It's like, there's a time and a place for a subway,
and then there's really a time and place for the bus,
and I think the bus is underrated.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Give me okay, So, as somebody, I visit New York
a lot, I've never lived there. I'm pretty I'm pretty
familiar with the city. But just from your perspective, when
is the time for bus and when is the time
for subway?

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Cross town? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Like, if I'm well, if I'm going to Manhattan, obviously
it's time for a subway, right, Like I'm going to
zip there? What am I really going to see? You know?
There's one subway that even goes over abridge and I
get this like experience that I'm looking towards cool. But
if I'm in Brooklyn and I'm trying to get to
different neighborhoods, I'm going to take a bus and it's
going to take me longer, and I'm going to factor
in an extra half an hour, but I just know

(13:53):
I'm going to get cool joy, Like there's something more stimulating.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Sure, yes, yes, you don't like riding the bus for
the Brooklyn Bridge with a look of whimsical awe on
your face with a piece of hay in the corner
of your mouth like in every movie onceone, No.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Because like that's giving traffic And if I want that
over bridge vibe, I'm taking the J train. Yeah, the
J train.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah. There's also rumors that the socialist soon to be
mayor of New York wants to make buses free. Did
you see that, Like some right wing guy was like
riding the bus before it becomes like free and like
full of homeless people, And people are like, dude, you
first of all, you've never ridden life.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
But that's what I think, That's what it makes me
think of. Gross.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
What is something Nilo that you think is overrated.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
O wea s. I don't think this is going to
play with either of you as you have short hair
under hats, but a dice in air wrap no hair
under hats, so sorry, no hair. So sorry that I
did that was how could I you knew?

Speaker 2 (15:01):
You knew this is okay?

Speaker 3 (15:02):
I was like, maybe it's a one. Maybe he got
a one, like I don't.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Know, you know, it's like it's all tight on the
side of all these long hairtypes there.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Actually maybe he wants to be free, Like who am
I to judge? But a Dyson air rapp it's like
five hundred bucks for a multi tool hair dryer, Like
we are getting scammed. I don't understand. Yes, it's a
it's a multi again, this is like the cult of
dyce In I blame TikTok, but it's like a five
hundred it's five hundred dollars and it has all these

(15:31):
attachments and it can do these. I don't know, like
it just doesn't make sense to me. I did have
access to one at like a like a you know,
forty dollars a class pilates cult that I went to,
and there was one after and I was like, let
me see and it made no sense. I was like,
this is not what we should be spending five hundred
dollars for.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Man, that's so what does it do?

Speaker 3 (15:52):
It can takes your wet hair, you can make it
straight without having to like dry it and then use
a tool like there are some uses five hundred dollars crazy.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
No, it's crazy. No, no, no, no, a multi tool
hair care.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
It just helps with curls. Oh, it must be nice.
It must be nice, Victor, must be nice, Victor. Yeah,
that doesn't resonate with me at all. I have my
dice in hair wrap every morning to get ready for
this recording, and then it works.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
That's why I got the hat on.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
It's a mess. Miles when we looked like shit, yeah
to a five hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
I mean, like we see.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
I felt like, did the hair dryer need to do
more than just blow out the hot air and then
you kind of use the tools around it to kind
of I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
I think we're getting scammed. It's like, you know what
else helps with curls to shout out your front is
like get a diffuser. That's a thirty dollars attachment. We're
helping the curls that way like we don't need to
we don't need to live like this, right right, right.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, makes sense enough, dice dice in enough.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
I can't think of dycing with that. Isn't that? Isn't
that one of the names of the characters and predator.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
No, it's the name of the dude who invented skynet,
Ah Dyson, Miles.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
I just knew that I had Arnold, saying Miles Dyson,
he created se skyn it.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
All right, let's take a quick break.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
We'll be right back.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
And we're back. We're back, and.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Nilo, your book is about so many things. The revolution
launched by women, oftentimes very young women and girls to
push back against the brutality and gender apartheid that has
been instituted by Iran's authoritarian government. It's also about citizen journalism.

(17:50):
Can you talk about the story of the revolution, first
of all, like what happened three years ago, and also
the role of citizen journalism in reporting it?

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, absolutely so. In September twenty twenty two, a young
woman named message Gina Emini was stopped by the morality
police allegedly for improperly wearing hijob. She's Kurdish. She's from
the Kurdish province and she was visiting the capital. We
don't know exactly what that interaction looked, like a lot
of women in Iran like it's a daily thing to
be harrassed by the morality police. Like when you meet

(18:20):
your friend at a cafe, the first question you ask
each other is kessy girdad, Like did anyone harrass you
or stop you on your way? It's just like daily life,
right yeah. And then the next thing that we see, like,
and this is really the image that incensed the world,
is that we saw Gina lying unconscious in a hospital bed.
This was after she was in the custody of the
morality police. Like it looked like she was beaten, you know,

(18:42):
within an inch of her life. Her face is puffy,
Like I can still see the image and feel it
when I think about it. Her face is puffy, there's
tubes coming out of her face, she has dried blood
on her ears. It was horrifying, and I think, like
once that image was shared and this was again shared
by a source at the hospital, spread everywhere because this
harassment is a future of daily life, Like so many

(19:04):
women and so many Iranians could see themselves in what
happened to Gina. She eventually succumbed to her injury. She
died and immediately there were protests outside the hospital, there
were protests at the funeral. Like from there, it's spread
and we really have everything to thank to reporters for this.
So there was a citizen journalist named Saja A cloudat
Kaomi who's based outside of Iran, and he was the

(19:27):
first person on his Instagram story to alert the world
to what was happening. There were reporters there as well,
like two other reporters that we really owe, you know,
our knowledge of this too, our new fah Hamadi and
Alajei Mohammadi. These are two Iranian reporters based in the
country working for major outlets. But they were under pressure
while they were at the hospital to not report, like
the authority said to them, if you start reporting on

(19:49):
this like this could be a lot of trouble, right,
So immediately the pressure was there. But once that image
was out, the movement spread and this movement and yeah,
it grew and it went. It was it's the largest,
the most widespread protests movement in the Islamic Republic's history.
And again, like we the citizen journalists really helped us
in understanding what the protests looked like on the ground,

(20:10):
because it's so difficult to do reporting in the country, right,
Like the Washington Post hasn't had anyone based in Iran
since my colleague Jason Razaian was in prison there for
over two years. The New York Times didn't have a
correspondent there as well, and so, and if you're foreign
media going to report in Iran, it's very difficult. There's
a lot of restrictions, you're constantly minded, and then journalists

(20:31):
who are Iranian and based there, like every day is
harassment for them. And so when we're seeing stories about
protests and what it looks like, what it looked like
when authorities were very violent protesters on the streets, that
was because people who were on the ground in that
moment were filming it, sending it to citizen journalists and
it was being spread. And so the way a lot
of video is shared in Iran is through the app Telegram,

(20:54):
and Telegram can be pretty safe for people because you
can make these like one time use accounts and send
them and you can send them to a Citizen Journalist channel,
which will have like five hundred thousand subscribers and it'll
spread from there and yeah, so essentially like this is
this is the way that everything gets shared. So it's
really we have everything to thank to people who are
brave enough to document the atrocities that were happening to

(21:16):
Iranian people and taking the risk to send it to
citizen journalists who amplified it to the rest of the world.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, those first acts of citizen journalism? Is it? You know,
you said that these are citizen journalists who were able
to do that?

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Just like were they thinking of themselves as citizen journalists before?
Were they just people who happened to be there and
like shared the image Like how whoa what were what
were those first acts of citizen journalism looking like?

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah, so some of these accounts have been around for
a long time, and I've been able to make relationships
with some of these channel administrators and so these people
had been documenting, you know, protests in twenty nineteen, they'd
been documenting things like there was a port explosion in
one of your on southern ports this year. Like anything
that's shared people really share on social media. So It's

(22:05):
like this is a constant feature of the information ecosystem
in Iran.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Got it?

Speaker 1 (22:11):
And now some people say that the United States is
in the early stage of an authoritarian takeover of the
government and media, particularly people who've witnessed authority and takeover
authoritarian takeovers of governments before. Like we've talked before about
m Guessen from The New Yorker, who seems to be saying, Yeah,

(22:31):
this is all happening right on schedule. This is like
exactly what it felt like when Putin took over. Can
you talk about the role of citizen journalism in the
US today, Like, you know, it's somewhat nascent, but like
what role do you think citizen journalism could play and
should play going forward?

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Yeah, I mean people who are there on the ground,
are documenting events in real time, Like I cover Black
Lives Matter protests in the US in twenty twenty, and
you know, citizen journalists, which can even be as simple
as uploading videos to x Instagram. Just being able to
collect a record of what happened is incredibly important. So
like in twenty twenty, when we were covering BLM protests

(23:13):
in Philadelphia, we were able to prove using visual documentation
that the Philly police violated their own rules for when
and how to use tear gas. So it can be
incredibly important because these pieces of video, like it's so precious,
Like any piece of video is a documentation, right, Like
if the government is saying ICE agents aren't doing any harm,
but you have people that are documenting this, right and

(23:36):
we can verify that you know, where it was filmed,
that it is of the current moment. Like, all of
these visuals can be incredibly incredibly important for future accountability
or even right in that moment.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah. Yeah, even like up to ICE protests and like
it seems like they have gone not literally mask off,
but in terms of like organizationally just they're shooting people
a face with you know, non lethal roalds that are
cracking people's skulls, and like trying to think back at

(24:07):
the documentation of those things, it's all citizen journalism. It's
all just people who are there close by, recording on
their phone. And then eventually, you know, I was able
to watch a recreation of an act of ice abuse
that was completely reconstructed on the front page of the
New York Times, all from just like people who are

(24:29):
around recording on their phone, which it feels like more
and more. That's one of the last things that we have.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yeah, I mean, like what you're describing is something that
we call open source reporting, where we look at all
these pieces of information that are there, Like we use
satellite imagery to look at the level of destruction to
Gaza's agriculture, for example, and we did this in twenty
twenty three. It's like, all these pieces of information that
are there, and what can we do with it? So
it's like incredibly important because you can, you know, if

(24:59):
you go to protest, a regular story might be here
the merits, here's someone who is here protesting this. Here's
what someone on the other side says. But once you
have visual evidence that shows you know, police use of
force h if you're you know, using less lethal rounds
but in a very very close proximity, like those often
will go against the use guidelines of the specific less

(25:20):
lethal round. Right, So all of these pieces of evidence
are super important.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Is there? I think? Yeah? To that end, right, open
source sort of material out there helps put like sort
of demystify or really bring out the truth in things
because you always get sort of like the state's version
of events and then the people on the ground, and
then you kind of have to have a reckoning based
on what you can gather. Is there a way like
people should be thinking because something all the time we

(25:46):
just have a reflex I think, especially in this age
of social media, to just get your phone out, especially
when there's buckery unfolding in front of you. Is there
a way for people to think, Okay, like, is it
this thing I took? What do I do with it now?
Rather than just maybe text it to other people like, Yo,
this shit got crazy over here, like this is a
video I took. Is there a way that people should

(26:07):
be thinking about this and what their role is in
documenting these things? Because again, this is this is fairly
new for American people to having to be like, I'm
having to see all these sort of abuses unfold. But
in an era of cameras on every single cell phone,
how should you know, Like, what's our role in thinking
about that as people who are trying to be people
of good faith in this country to try and document

(26:29):
the kinds of things that would potentially, you know, maybe
correct some wrongs, right, I.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Mean, any visual documentation that you have, send it to
me on signal I will take a look at it. No,
But really it's about keeping the material that you if
there's an important moment in there, being able to save it,
archive it, keep it in a place that's not just
your phone. Something happens to your phone, it gets, you know,
crack the next day. That's really important. Saving the metadata.

(26:54):
That's something that we always look for. So when you
take an image or video and you look in your
camera role often it'll say if you have location services
enabled exactly where it was filmed. That really helps open
source investigators. We can plot it on a map and
be able to say, oh, okay, this window that Jack filmed,
you can see it in satellite imagery. We feel very
confident that it's up this moment and if there's a

(27:14):
date and time. That again is really helpful to us
because we can feel like this is a piece of
video that we can easily verify, so keeping it, archiving
it and then being able to get it out to
people like me who are open source reporters looking at
different stories in this world every day.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Right, because I feel like that even happened with ice
agents like in Illinois, where they were basically lying about
some like an event where they threw a child down
on the ground and like, oh, that's like old and
like no, here's another video of that same agent basically,
and you can we can tell from the metadata this
is very much that day and like they had to suddenly,

(27:51):
I mean, they just they did not necessarily own up
to it, but it was sort of one of those
moments where that sort of line of lying about the
activity of ICE agents will sort of just dispelled through.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Yeah, it's super important because you know, regular police departments
will wear police cameras as reporters. Sometimes we can file
information requests from the department to try to get it.
They may not give it to us for certain reasons,
they may take a long time. When it's federal agents,
it becomes even more complicated to request that video. So
it makes it even more important for people to be

(28:22):
documenting whatever they're seeing in their communities.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah. Yeah, Like I think, you know, there's a lot
of bad news and the authoritarian creep is real. I
do think that there's a story of like that, all
of that citizen journalism, all of those things we've seen
from the streets is work, like is reaching people. Like
Trump's approval rating on immigration is down from a plus eleven,

(28:50):
like more eleven percent more people approve than disapproved to
minus three point two, and like obviously that's not nearly
negative enough, but it is is the thing that he's
going to be like kind of riding on coming into
the White House and like that it feels like people
you know, by because his policy is basically foregrounding the

(29:13):
cruelty and you know, also being terrible at execution and
like you know, finding the people that are looking for
and instead just like harming innocent people. Like people seem
to be getting off board. So I mean, it does
seem like a weapon that's being exercised, and that probably
just needs to be more and more foundational to how

(29:34):
we interact with this regime.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
I have a question, what's what are the rules when
you're trying to go off the record? You know, do
you what do you have?

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Like what is happening?

Speaker 2 (29:48):
No? No, no, not me personally, because I'm just this friend.
I have a friend, let's call him Donald t Okay,
that's d Trump.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
No, but I you sort of use this as a
segue because we are such like it's good to know
obviously journalism is so foundational to being able to counteract
the sort of propaganda that comes out of the government
and bad faith actors that are in orbit of the administration.
And just this story that came up today about Lindsay Halligan,

(30:23):
it just sort of a lot of it revolves around
this idea that this person, also this woman, Lindsay Halligan,
has no idea what that means to go off the record,
and that was a very flippant way to segue into
the next story. But this there's just something very tragic
and upsetting that we are being having our rights trampled

(30:46):
by the most inept, ignorant people that this administration could
possibly find potentially fortunate.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
You know.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, we've talked about the concept of designed and competence.
That he surrounds himself with fools because they will be
grateful for the appointment and also by consequence bad at
their jobs. Yeah, that's kind of nice.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
So, you know, unknown insurance lawyer turned US attorney Lindsay
Halligan has now she's like sort of the tip of
the spear in terms of Trump's legal retaliation against his ops.
She's never prosecuted a case before and has never held
a job like of this kind. So it makes sense
that she truly know nothing about how anything works when
you're a federal prosecutor. But this story sort of centers

(31:29):
around this Lee reporter from law Fair and a Bauer
who reached out to Halligan to talk about this sham
indictment of Letitia James, and Halligan ended up blurting out
shit about grand jury materials, which sounds like a big
no no as a federal prosecutor, and you know, also
just generally complaining to Bauer about like her coverage. I

(31:50):
just want to read how like these conversations were unfolding again,
She's reaching out to a US attorney about a sham
indictment of another attorney general or of the Attorney General
of New York, and she's she apparently was complaining to
Bower about like, I think your facts are wrong. I
just want to help you out. I just want to

(32:10):
help you out, Like I just want to help you out,
give you a tip, a heads up. She said, I quote,
I can't tell you grand jury stuff just written in
their chats. I can't tell you grand jury stuff. And
she's like, okay, that's fine. But she the reporter was
pushing back, essentially saying that like the reason they're prosecuting
Letitia James is that, like she was, she was charging

(32:33):
people rent for this property that she didn't even live in.
And you know, this journalist is like, based on the
materials that are out there, that doesn't seem to be
the case. Like, she only collected rents rent once and
it was in like one of the like you know,
sort of like the lower brackets of between one and
five thousand dollars. So once that happened, Halligan lost it.
Quote this is what she says to Annabauer. Quote, you're biased,

(32:54):
Your reporting isn't accurate. I'm the one handling the case,
and I'm telling you that if you want to twist,
in torture the facts to fit your narrative, there's nothing
I can do. It's a waste to even give you
a heads up. So, like I'm assuming as a journalist.
You then asked the Department of Justice, Hey, what do
you think about this conversation I had with this US attorney?

(33:14):
This was their response. They were so petulant that she
deigned to ask about this conversation. They said, quote, good
luck ever getting anyone to talk to you when you
publish their texts. Is what the DOJ's response in terms
of her conversation with Halligan, and then basically, this is
what happened. Quote this is from The New Republic. Later,

(33:35):
Halligan texted Bauer again to insist they had been speaking
off record. Quote You're not a journalist, so it's weird
saying that, but just.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Letting you know. And this is how they said. Good
luck ever getting anyone to text you again. And then
like as she's reading that, her bumb blows up with
another text from the same one from Halligan.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
It's weird, but just letting you know this how Bout replied, quote,
I'm sorry, but that's not how this works. You don't
get to say that in retrospect. Halligan responded, yes, I do.
Off record.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Yeah, that was a tough exchange to read, because it's like,
if a journalist is coming to you and publicly identifying
themselves as a reporter and reaching out to you for this,
the assumption is it's on the record. It's off the record.
When you and I both agree and I can sent
to you before we start the off the record portion,
this is off the record, right, And I'll have conversations
with sources where we're chatting and he'll they will say

(34:29):
this is off the record, Okay, we'll chat about it,
and then I'll say I'd like to go back on
the record now great, like you just it's all about
being transparent so that everyone's aware. But yeah, you can't
coming after and saying well, that was off the record,
like that's that's not typically how a source interaction goes.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yes, why I the thing that you're putting in your
book that's already out for publishing was off the record.
I've just decided to.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Do that retroactor. Yes, I can off the record, off
off record this, Yes, I do, Yes, I do off record?
There what this is? Bowers are like, well, I'm really sorry.
I would have been happy to speak with you on
an on an off the record basis had you asked,
but you didn't ask, and I still haven't agreed to
speak on that basis. Do you have any further comment

(35:18):
for the story? And then this is what I responds, quote,
it's obvious the whole combo is off record, there's disappearing messages,
and it's on signal. What is your story? You never
told me about a story? Why did you think I a.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Journalist reached out to you and asked you for comment
on a story. Yeah, story, Yeah, yeah, so not it's
all the story bullshit.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
You never told me about a story, it's it's the
subject matter we were discussing in our conversation, Like.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Signal, disappearing messages. It's like, I just use you know
a lot of people use signal for non purposes or.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Like people why signal?

Speaker 3 (36:01):
You know, allegedly allegedly they do all the record that.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Is off the record, off the record go.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
On and like disappearing messages, like why would I you know,
I have a friend who will in her eye message
This is when I'm like, you are unwell conversations that
have nothing to journalism. She'll finish a conversation with her
mom and she'll wipe it. I'm like, what what are
you doing? She's like, well, I just it's just like
good digital security, everything gets breached. And meanwhile, I'm like, oh,

(36:30):
so I shouldn't have text change from twenty sixteen on
my phone? Like is this a bad idea? It's just
like people do these for all types of purposes. Yeah,
it's like, let's just be transparent.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
You have text change from twenty sixteen on your phone,
so I have mine goes back to twenty sixteen. Actually
that's when I started saving everything. I don't know why
I have like a I'm like a weird text hoarder.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
I am too, Like I'll be on a flight and
I'm like, oh, like what about this nostalgic time and
this year? Like I'm a nostalgic for a moment ended
two minutes ago. I don't know why I like this.
So yeah, memories, memorial nice.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
It's for posterity sake.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, all right, let's get back to Trump's morality. Police
ICE who you know, They've They've been making a lot
of headlines doing horrific shit, and the Trump administration is
doing everything they can to add more ICE officers, including
expanding the age eligibility, condensing training from thirteen weeks to eight,

(37:30):
reducing Spanish classes and firearms courses in classroom instruction. That
seems bad because they seem to not know how to
operate the firearms that they are being right now with.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Yeah, I saw this video too of the New York
Times reporter Hammed He went on a ride along with
Chicago with ICE in Chicago, and one of the ICE
agents said to him like, yeah, like we like being
out here like we're adrenaline junkies. Like, so hearing that
and then hearing the training being scaled.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Back, yeah we got I mean, we've had to even
scale back the Fourth Amendment stuff. We were trying to
tell them about about seizures and searches and stuff, but
we had to get that out of the way because
none of these people can do anything physical.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Yeah, it seems bad that they're motivated by being adrenaline
junkies and also a fifty thousand dollars signing bonus, and
so it's just right.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
It's if you make it right. It's like, right, you
get the fifty if you can make it out right, right.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah. Which, so, even after scaling back the requirements, the
agency has one big problem, and that is that their
new officers aren't passing the mandatory fitness test. It was
recently reported that so many new recruits are out of
shape that more than a third of them have failed
the fitness test, in which they must do fifteen push ups,

(38:47):
thirty two sit ups, and run one point five miles
in fourteen minutes. Okay, okay, that's that seems low.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
I actually can't do any of the activity just described.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
But you're also not trying to brutalize people of color,
for you're not an Antifa super soldier.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
I know, but I'm like, I should I be able
to run that amount? Like now I'm kind of questioning
like my own fitness.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Because I could do, Like if I'm being like a
a ten minute mile is pretty casual. So if you
can keep a ten minute mile pace, you should be
able to get through.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
These ankles at this age.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
You got we can't.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
That's yeah, I got week what I'm in ballet soccer
salet exactly.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, I've seen it a hundred times. I've seen it
a hundred times, Nelo. That's why we can't have.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
You off license pt.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
How exactly allegedly. Okay, that was off the record. That
was off the record. He can give you some off
the record medical advice. Yes, yes, it's mostly about shrooms,
but really bad.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
It is wild though to think, because part of me
was like, damn, fifteen push ups and thirty two setups.
I'm like, maybe I am an Antifa super soldier you
think you are, Like that could be if I could
get fifth, if I can get fifteen push ups out,
I mean, that's that's my max. Okay, so I know
I'm just making it probably, but like all of the
stories talk about how like in the I think The
Atlantic was the first one to report this. We're talking

(40:13):
to some of like these ICE officials and like I've
never seen anything like this. Like there are people that
ICE were like, this is unreal, the riff raft that
that's blowing into the academy right now, merely because they're
trying to meet these quotas. They're even trying to like
put the physical fitness test earlier in the academy training
to immediately root out these people, because what they end

(40:34):
up doing is like they waste all this energy getting
people up to speed and not know what the Fourth
Amendment is. Then they get to the physical test part
and they're like, what the fuck first step of the
one point five mile run? Yeah, no, they say them.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
They keep getting compound fractures on the first step of
their one point five mile run.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Apparently that run is like the great destroyer of a
lot of these candidates who want to play dress upright shirt.
So you know, there there's a lot of a lot
of tension happening at ICE because or even now they're
like they're saying like, well, we're even now inviting retired
law enforcement and they don't, but they're saying on the

(41:12):
condition that they can just self report that their their
physical fitness levels, because they're just like, fuck, man, if
we can people awarding.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
The physically Yeah, yeah, I did it. It's good. I'm
actually really fast.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I tried to that in like seven minutes.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Yeah, I'm sitting here laughing. I haven't tried to run
that mile and a half and fourteen minutes and years.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
I would, however, be willing to self report that I
can do it easily, right.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Yeah, I'm having a meltdown, like I I'm modified in
plates today, do you know what I mean? Like I can't.
I can't.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Is the hardest I've ever done. Like I pilates is
so fucking hard. It's tough.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
It's like all in there suffering. Also a culture of
silence because we're all suffering really silently, and they're like
a man will come and grunt outwardly and we're all
just like, please keep that to yourself.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Can't keep knees.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Cramshell.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah. The first time I gotten a reformer, I was like,
how the fuck am I this week like.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
That thing, and just like a unbroken line of sweat
just started like running off of my nose like it
was a foster.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
That's why I was doing it for a minute because
I was so humbled the first time I did. I'm like, Oh,
this is for real using your body in ways you
had it Like you're discovering that you can actually strengthen
parts of your body you didn't know existed.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Yeah, sore in places on the inside of my body
that I did not know could be sore, or this
does track with I remember they were like, remember Dean
Kane was like, and I'm going to join ICE. And
then they showed him like going through the ops what
what appeared to be like a children's plague obstacle course,

(43:01):
and just like even during the ten seconds that they
showed the footage of him, he was like ducking thing
like a thing he was supposed to go over, He
just like kind of ducked under it, right, Like Yeah,
there's also that great video that brought to us by
a citizen journalist of a ten ICE agents who were
trying to catch a guy who was not on a

(43:22):
butt like he was off his bike, came over picked
up something that they didn't want him to pick up.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
He was like, I'm not a US citizen phone.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Yeah, he was like, I'm not a US citizen and
then managed to like as ten of them descended on him,
just like looked like Barry Sanders, like just like completely
untouched through a crowd of people. Nobody had any chance
of catching him. As he like went from walking to
getting on a bike and riding away, they were like, he.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Just don't cop shit. It was I mean, this is
I don't know. I mean, like I get again, like
with the the the uh engineered incompetence, and then just
seeing the kinds of people that are being attracted by
the possibility of brutalizing, you know, people who aren't from
this country. I'm glad that it's not our country's best.

(44:14):
It's people who are maybe not fully up to the task.
But again, when you look at the money they're spending
seven hundred percent increase on like their weapons capabilities now
like warheads they're they're like they have access to now,
so who knows me, I guess maybe they'll make up
for it with like some kind of killer robot ice

(44:34):
agent or something that Elon must can just design, but
it doesn't know how to do kung fu.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Will I take heart in the fact that that's their
plan to like cut Elon will fix it with his
fake robot. Yeah yeah, does kung fu like a sixty
five year old. All right, let's take a quick break.
We'll be right back, and we're back. We talked on

(45:07):
yesterday's trending episode about the fact that the extra wing
of the White House is being built. The ballroom is
being built, which you know, was one of his great
moments in you know, being a shoulder for the nation
to cry on after the assassination of Charlie Kirk. When
the reporter was like, mister President, your good friend died

(45:31):
less than twenty four hours ago. How are you holding up?
He was like, pretty good. Actually, we're building this amazing ballroom.
You can see over here in case you're wondering why
those trucks are there, just immediately like moving it along. So,
you know, took note of that that maybe this guy
wasn't as broken up about the assassination of Charlie Kirk
as we all thought, or as he was pretending. I

(45:53):
don't think anyone actually believes that he has human emotional
feelings no, probably not, but he again his lack of
human emotions were on display. At the end of last week,
he presented Charlie Kirk's widow with a posthumous Presidential Medal
of Freedom for her deceased husband, and also took that

(46:16):
moment to like talk about how when someone tried to
shoot him he dodged the bullet, and like he dodged
so good, in fact, that her husband, who was later
not able to dodge an assassin's bullet, couldn't believe it.
He said, how you do how you do that, which
clearly is just riffing, but like to bring up your
own escape from assassination, which you and your supporters, by

(46:40):
the way, have officially decided means you're protected by God
like that everybody's like, yeah, this is this meant that God.
Like his son was like, yeah, God actually is into
my dad. It's not that my dad's into God. God's
into my dad. And you can tell because of that, Like,
to bring that up in the context of someone who
didn't escape from an assassin's bullet just seems so profoundly

(47:04):
fucked up.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
He does that all the time, though, Like I remember
when there was the guy who was the firefighter that
was killed during the Butler Pennsylvania rally where Trump, you know,
where his ear got nicked by the bullet. He like
also made a joke about that guy to his wife,
like at a thing, and he's like, oh.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah, I moved my head.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
I think because he has no sense of the value
of human life at all, and he, like I think
everyone it probably appears as like an NPC to him,
like a non playable character in a video game, where
he's like, and I just say things and they don't
have feelings. And this one he said, he told they
were I made a turn at a good time. I
made a turn at a good time. I turned to

(47:44):
the right. Charlie couldn't believe it. Actually, he said, how
the hell did you make that turn? I said, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
I made a turn at a good time. I made
a turn at a good time. I turned to the right.
Charlie couldn't. I was like, what the fuck is he
about to say? Yeah, I believe it? Actually, yeah, his
only mode. I mean, we've talked before about how on
the morning of nine to eleven, he was bragging about
how his building was now the tallest in New York City,
which also wasn't true. But like he he only has

(48:12):
one mode, and that's like bragging it's me. Yeah, it's
on me mode the whole time. This is kind of
new levels of fucked up, kind almost impressed.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Well, he can't even pretend like it's you know, because
obviously the conservative movement needs to make this like this
sort of you know, foundational tragedy that they can justify
this huge backlash against anyone who is, I guess identifies
as a liberal left, progressive whatever, even at this point
anti capitalist as a precursor to becoming a terrorist. That yeah,

(48:45):
he couldn't even he can't even keep that up because
it's so even in their minds, it's so flimsy, like
it's just in service of acting out their sort of
agenda rather than anything that's based in like a sincere
sense of loss, or if it's more like, okay, so,
how can we use this as an opportunity to further
erode rights? And you're gonna get responses like this from

(49:07):
a person who only cares about himself.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
You're all right, onto one more active citizen journalism. Emma
Stone's new movie, but Gonya is hering your ghost Lanthemos,
so back at it again, back at it.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Again, good, Like, do we know if it's good?

Speaker 1 (49:23):
We have getting like decent reviews. It's the sixty nine
on Metacritic, which you know that's usually I think that's
a good score for a movie like this if it's
like too high, you know, but it might be a
little safe where it's like his movies are weird and
fucked up, and so I don't know. I'm definitely looking
forward to seeing it. So you might have seen the

(49:44):
previews where she or her captors shave her head for
the part, and a promotion for the movie got a
lot of attention. It was an early LA screening that
invited people to attend, but only if they're bald, and
if it should be bald, there would be a barber
on him to shave their heads, thus allowing them entry.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
I feel like that's taking the girlies who wear the
bald caps a pitbull to an extreme extreme right.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Right right, right, right, Yeah, I'm getting the I'm getting
the buzz cut so I can see this early cut of.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
But why Miles doesn't. That's why Miles got the one
on the.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
It stinks, it's bad, It's all bad. Uh yeah, I'm
that's just so funny and gimmicky. Like I'm also like,
you're not going to get people to shave their heads
in La Like you're just like it. I I grew
up in the city. People are too jaded to be like, yeah,
I'll shave off my hair to go see this free screening.

(50:47):
But apparently some people did.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Yeah, some people did. Other people, as Neilo mentioned, uh
we're rock with a ball cap that was not very convincing.
This is just like a pan's foot on top of
their head essentially, And photos from the screen screening featured
a lot of bald gaps. So that's again, you know,

(51:11):
just getting ship by these citizen journalists.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
No, not even your fake pro promotional stunt. We're like
people had to shave their heads for this. Did that
move the needle at all? That's my other thing. I'm like,
what's the point.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Like already a big film, right, like we're already it's
already being hyped, Like what are they what promotional edge
are they getting from this?

Speaker 2 (51:32):
I don't know, someone someone like their social like PR
team had a real bad idea that got approved. It
was probably like and then we can like film it
and everyone's like Bagonia with their bald heads. It's gonna
be great.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Yeah. I do love to fantasize about being in meetings
where like something had to go through ten levels of
approval like Kendall Jenner pepsi ad like.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Bringing it out room.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Yeah, fantasize about knowing how this happened, like yeah, everyone
who films up, everyone who is c seed on the chain,
very curious if that read out.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
My thing is always that there's some token in the
meeting that they used to justify whatever. And they're like, well,
what do you think? What do you think?

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Les?

Speaker 2 (52:14):
You're black and Jack and I'll go yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever,
I'm school with it.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
What do you think of this idea? That was my
brain child? And as the CEO, I've already invested eight
point five million dollars into it.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
What do you want? Oh?

Speaker 3 (52:29):
That?

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (52:30):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
I mean, like not to sound like I'm shilling for
Big pit Bull, which I'm not, but I swear it's
because like the girls going to the Pitbull concert dressed
like him, and the ball Caps become like a whole movement,
Like for sure, someone on the Bogonia team saw that
was like we can do this, and it's like, you
can't because you're not mister worldwide and.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
You're not that way.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
No, you're not mister three h five. No, we all
wish we could be.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
No, you're endless Stone. No one is no One's cap
and frameless Stone. Like, I mean, she's a great performer,
but I think it's not the same. It's not meme level,
which pit Bull is powered by that where people are like, oh, fuck, yeah,
watch me wear the suit. I got the bald cap on.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
My Yeah, like this would have worked better for easy a.
Everyone wear your stirlet a, everyone wear your little corset,
Like this would have worked for that.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Yeah, for sure. Yep. It's just funny because like the
crowd is just mostly bald dudes. Yeah, it's just bald
d I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah a lot of
people just like because I think the stipulation was either
a arrive bald or get shaved bald to come in.
I'm really there.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Would be footage of somebody getting shaved bald if they
had actually been able to pull that off, but instead
they were just like, I don't know, man, we need
a full screening. Put this pantyhose foot on your head.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Yeah, what was that? Like, what's that conversation where people like, man,
fuck that I'm not shaving my head. What are you
talking about? I work for the studio to like exact Fuck.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
These are the people who approved the idea wearing the
shitty ball cap. They're like, well, no, no, I wouldn't
actually do it. Come on, no, I just I just
got back from Turkey. I paid way too much for
this hairline. I can't right now. Well, Nilo, such a
pleasure having you on the dail. He's like, geist, where
can people find you? Follow you read, you find the

(54:14):
book all that good stuff.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
The book is anywhere where books are sold. You can
find it in your local bookstore, shop local. You can
find me on x at end Tabreeze or for more fun,
on Instagram at Bad Boys to Men in Black hawk Down.
That is my handle, so.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
To men in Black.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Well, because I was like bad Boys to men taken,
Bad Boys to men in black taken, but bad Boys
to Men in Black hawk Down was open. Bad Boys
and men in black hawk Down to abbey too long.
But I did try to take it to another place.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Yeah, black Wow. Bad Boys to Men in Black hawk
Down rode and rage against the Machine song.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Yeah, then that works, Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Do you like all of those things?

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Are you? I?

Speaker 3 (55:01):
I love Bad Boys like I think Bad Boys Too.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Specifically, I would say, is and you got it in
there bad Boys too?

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Men?

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Oh shit, there.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Was a time where I had Bad Boys Too in
like three copies of it on DVD. I don't know,
I'm not sure why, but it like came into my
possession and I had it for a long time. But yeah,
I like, I.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Loved that sound that. It's funny. That soundtrack was the
soundtrack of the summer I graduated high school, so I
fucking like, for whatever reason, that soundtrack is just like
the sound of me becoming like an adult because it
came out the summer two thousand and three, and I
fucking loved it. Yeah, damn.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
It even has the Bad Boys too, has the to
the Roman numeral two, just like boys to men.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Wow, there are players and levels to this.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Thank you, thank you, thank you amazing.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Yes. I was on TikTok and I saw a video
of a scare actor in a haunted house and he's
like frozen and these women walk by him. They're trying
to figure out where to go, and they're like, oh,
this guy's obviously fake, like his hairlined terrible, his teeth busted,
and they're like to his face and he's just frozen there.
They're like his hands tiny, his stature too big. I

(56:23):
was just like I would simply pass away if I
was this guy. And he just kind of like sighs.
He's like, your adventure continues this.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Oh yeah, like they were.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
And you could tell like they weren't even like scared.
They were they were horrified. They said all these awful things.
Five million likes can't be wrong. And I was cackling.
And then I was also like if this were me,
like what do you do, Like do you apologize? I
mean like like they're like, I'm so sorry, And he
was like, nope, your journey is this, Like he was
still in character. I was like, how are you not sobbing?

(56:55):
Like you're self confidence?

Speaker 2 (56:56):
I kind of broke character, was like, nope, just let's
get past this. I'm going through a lot right now,
so you guys just fucking get out of my face. Please.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
No, he remained, but there was a moment they're trying
to apologize who's like this way.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
This way, just so you know, wow, just say no.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
I'm real and I'll hate you for the rest of
my life.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Incredible Haunted House two meetings. I'll be haunted forever by
this interaction. Miles Where can people find you as their
working media you've been enjoying? Yeah, find me everywhere at
Miles of Gray. I'm talking about ninety Day Fiance on
four to twenty Day Fiance. That's the other show I
do with Sofia Alexandra work at Media.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
I like, let me see did it?

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:41):
This one is pretty I don't know if you saw
that that clip of like that guy from like Jersey
who's like antagonizing a bunch of protesters and then he
calls someone that I'm slur and then they took his glass.
He fell down. This is from at David j. Rothdap's
got at Social says, I take no pleasure in this,
but going to a different city with your dumb buddies
and getting badly injured because you antagonized a bunch of

(58:01):
strangers and fell down twice chasing one hundred and ten
pound teenager who stole your sunglasses. Actually is North Jersey.
Excellence of a source and then at gourmet spud dot
Beskuyt on social because yes, the World Series is between
Los Angeles and Toronto. There's another part where Toronto. What's
Toronto Toronto? Uh, you know, man's marked. This is Gourmet

(58:23):
Spud posted Please don't go nuts with Drake Kendrick stuff
during the World Series. Toronto as a municipality has moved
beyond Drake. If he posts anything, please report him immediately.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Wow, disrespectful to Drake d.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Yeah, I didn't realize. They were like, guys, we don't
want to take this out anymore, you know this, But Drake,
I mean, if you're like, if you're a sick o
sports fan, like you honestly believe that like being associated
with a previous loss like the Drake Kendrick one is
going to curse your team, Like they're just.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Like, don't even say his name in the stadium.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
What do you doing not to mention the somewhat true
Drake curse of him donning a uniform and then them losing.
That's right.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Oh, I didn't know that was the thing.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I mean he did okay with
the Raptors that one here, Uh, workimedia.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
I've been enjoying. Melissa Izzatto. Oliva tweeted Andrew Cuomo, he
hates Israel Zorn. I'm here to talk about affordability. Curtis
Sliwa In nineteen eighty three on Coney Island, I was
visited by a woman in many scarves. I watched his
thousands of cats emerged from her bosom. I taught them
all karate, oh my god, yeah, unbelieva.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
And he's not getting out right. I know they're they're
doing everything they can to get him out before I don't.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
I was like, why would I do that? He lost
his primary CMO, Why the fuck would I get out?

Speaker 3 (59:52):
And he was asked about it. They're like, what, yeah,
exactly what you know? You're giving votes to Dohran whatever.
This is what this guy says. And he's just like
in the all the interview turned to camera and like
called out. Bill Ackerman was like, he's not right. He
lives here, like lah blah blah, he doesn't know it.
And I was like, wow, like he he is going
for it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Yeah yeah, rat his way onto the professional Tennis Tour.
Bill Ackerman, that was great that he made reference to that.
We I don't know that we covered that story. We
need to just do that as an evergreen story one
of these times. He literally was like, I'm good at tennis.
I should be able to do that. Andrew Nadou also tweeted,
I need more details about the Louver heist because this

(01:00:30):
sounds way too easy. What do you mean They just
climbed up and cut a hole in the glass. That's
how Bugs Bunny would steal from a museum. And as
we talked about on yesterday's episode, museum heists are generally
like the security sucks shit at museums, Like this is
what museum heists are like. Speaking of Bugs Bunny, the
most successful art thief of all time just wren oversized

(01:00:53):
jacket and stole shit off the wall and put it
in his jacket. That is how that is art. It's
not it's not Thomas Crown shit. It is Bugs Bunny shit.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
We haven't had a heist in a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
I know. It feels like appreciate it. It feels like
heist films are like propaganda that like keep people from
actually attempting something that's quite simple to do, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Because it's interesting because it's like you get even like
half an inch too close to a painting and it's
like ud alarm, like matrix lasers. And meanwhile, like they
were like, oh, they almost took this crown. That was
like the one thing they left behind, Like right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
They got everything else.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Yeah, we talked yesterday about how the biggest art heist
ever from museum happened in Boston. They tripped the alarms
and the alarm was going to a different part of
the museum. That's where the message for security.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Company, Hey, something's going on across the hall. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
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which is where we link off to the information that
we talked about in today's episode. We also link off

(01:02:11):
to a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles,
is there a song that you think that people might enjoy?

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Yes, I've been playing the video game Ghost of Yota
a lot because I like Samurai tings. But there is
a mode in the game called Watanabe mode, which is,
you know, it's a reference to the director of Samurai
Shamploo for people who know that anime, and that anime
is pretty dope because the soundtrack is, you know, so

(01:02:37):
much of it was created by this producer Nuja Best,
who just does like sample based hip hop, so you
have that aesthetic with like the Samurai thing, and like,
I love that. So I've just been there's a mode
where you can have it play lo fi hip hop,
but the tracks just weren't hidden enough, and I've been
having to just launch my Spotify alongside the game so
I could hear Nuja Best tracks. So this is one

(01:02:58):
of my favorite tracks while I played that game. It's
called battle Cry by Nujabs. It's just great vib sample
based hip hop, obviously very inspired by Jay Dillon's production style.
So if that makes any if that if that you
know entices you, I encourage you to check it out.
Battle Cry by Nujebs.

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