Humane Policies Actually Work?!? 10.18.22

In episode 1353, Jack and Miles are joined by L.A. City Councilmember for Los Angeles's 4th district, Nithya Raman, to discuss…. How To Be A Progressive In Modern America, Unhoused in L.A., Crime, White Supremacy and more!

1. Myths and Realities: Understanding Recent Trends in Violent Crime
2. Rural America Reels From Violent Crime. ‘People Lost Their Ever-Lovin’ Minds.’
3. Murders Are Rising. Blaming a Party Doesn’t Add Up.
4. The Red State Murder Problem
5. Community and the Crime Decline: The Causal Effect of Local Nonprofits on Violent Crime

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to fifty nine,
Episode two of Dirt Dailies Like Guys Day production of
My Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take
a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. It's Tuesday, October eighteen,
National International Legging Day. So it's not just for the

(00:21):
people in this could you rock with leggings, it's your day.
It's National Chocolate Cupcake Day, National No Beard Day, and
National Pharmacy Technician Day. Shout out to the people working
in the bad out to the pharmacy text. Was that
a no beard Day? Yeah? I don't know if that
means just shaving it off. It just says, yeah, just
being clean shaven. You know, it's probably again it's about

(00:43):
way to razors, you know, about time we got some
recognition out here or with or like me who cannot
grow a beer. So I'm like, yeah, every day is
no beard Day. Uh well, anyways, my name's Jack O'Brien.
A K. Guess who's back back again? Stalin's ghost Tell
a friend this curtsy at Christian Gucci Man talking about

(01:06):
who was that? Who said Stalin truly? Mike Cernovich weird,
Mike Sernovitch coming back, coming with a strange attempt at
poetic license. I am thrilled to be joined as always
by my co host, Mr Miles Yes, it's Miles Gray,
straight from the Mile High City, but keeping his title
of the Lord of Lancashim Hideo NoHo, North Hollywood was

(01:29):
very own. Thank you so much. In the building, in
the building, well, we are thrilled to be joined in
the building, ish virtually in the virtual building of the
internet zoom protocol by an urban planner, former executive director
of Time's Up Entertainment and currently the city council member
for l A's fourth District. Welcome back to the show,

(01:50):
Nittia Roma, Welcome, Welcome, Thank you. That was such a
great That's probably the most enthusiastic perception I've ever gotten. Hey,
we go off here, very happy to be here than
the last time you were here. You were running and
in what the l A Times calls a political earthquake,

(02:12):
you won. I'm sure you've probably heard that by now,
but yeah, you won. Congratulations, Thank you. It's a big deal.
It's a big deal. Yeah. So now you're just wielding
power for the past couple of years. How's that going?
Anything new going? On the city Council. I haven't had

(02:33):
I haven't had the most stressful week of my entire
tenure here so far. Yeah, just getting stayed and you
kept your appointment to appear on our second rate podcast.
We're truly grateful. Well, I disagree with you that it's
a second rate podcast, and I'm very delighted to be

(02:54):
here because it's third rate. Thank you. All right, We're
gonna get to know you a little bit better in
a moment. We had to go on by the way
recently and when his underrated was Little Nikki. So just
so you know what the bar of the Sandler movie,
The Sandler Movie at Little Nikki was like, I don't know, man,

(03:14):
it's just like my favorite movie. I can I can
watch it repeatedly. He said it was his favorite movie.
I think he said it was his favorite or like
one of his favorite movies of all time, and like
didn't really he wasn't like, you know, because of this
or because of that. He was just like, I just
really love that movie. It was it was kind of awesome. Um.
I did endorse him, and now I'm thinking end Yeah,

(03:37):
you gotta you gotta favorite the latter day. Yeah, yeah,
it was interesting because of that. I was like, looking
at where it falls. It was like right before Punch
Drunk Love, very interesting and after water Boy and he
was like, you know what, I'm gonna go full funny
Boys for all two hours of this movie. Anyways, that's

(03:58):
not what we're talking to you about. We are gonna
ask the question of just like how to be a
progressive in modern America, like the just generally you know,
we struggle as a podcast, we talked about how American
society seems to have an immune system that is allergic
to anything having to do with socialism or progressive social policies,

(04:22):
and that is addicted to profit. And so just as
someone who's been in there for a couple of years
now and like almost a couple of years, almost yea,
almost a couple of years coming up on a couple
of years, like just kind of getting your stories from
from from what it looks like from the inside. We're
gonna specifically talk about, you know, the un housed crisis

(04:44):
in l A, white supremacy, which has been a subject
that has come up a lot with regards to l
A City Council recently. Crime all of that. We might
even get into rainbow fentanyl the latest Halloween freak out
on a national scale, which just spoiler alert is is

(05:05):
a bullshit media panic. But the d A guy said,
I know it's rainbow. They're gonna give it to your kids.
Drug dealers love giving fitmal away for free. Anyways, before
we get to any of that, and if you know,
we do like to ask our guests, what is something
from your search history, my recent search history? Yeah, just

(05:29):
what whatever you're willing to divulge well before the grimness
of this last week, and I want to avoid that
week's very dark search history. But I was most recently
googling and surprised to find that The First Wives Club,
which is an old movie, whether it was actually about

(05:49):
President's wives as I thought it was, And it turns
out it's not. It's about the first first wife that
was divorced from the welcare and how those first wives
got together and exactly, which is like a way more
fun movie premise. And I was delighted to find that

(06:11):
this was the case because it kept being promoted to
me because I've been watching a lot of like I
can't watch anything new, it's too much to process. I've
been watching like when Harry met Sally legally blonde, clueless,
and this You've Got Me All this kept getting promoted
to me, and I was like, why would I want
to watch this movie? And then it turns out, Oh

(06:32):
my god, it's perfect. Barbara Bush and Nancy Reagan start
robbing banks together, Like I set it off type scenario
Tipper Gore can't get in the crew there. Yeah, I
kind of like first like First Wives that like that version.

(06:53):
I didn't watch that film, No, I just remember the
posters because they were all wearing white like they were
their outfits. There was like there. The marketing was like
here we are because Goldie Hawon and Diane Keaton and
Bed Midler, right, I think are the three? Yeah? Yeah,
And but the thing is like if they're all wearing white,
doesn't that make you think that it's about I don't know, Suffraget.

(07:18):
We went two different It was either suff or or
Well that's what like I was trying to picture like
a club made up of first you know, the first women,
first ladies of the from US history, and like I
feel like to get any sort of critical mask, you
would have to go to the afterlife. So that's where
my mind ghost, right, well, look, it turns out we

(07:41):
were all wrong, right, and it's it's about women exacting
revenge for being divorced from beyond the grave. What is
something you think is overrated? So I you know, well,
I guess we might talk about this later. But my
district in city Council is pretty large. It now stretches

(08:04):
from northern Silver Lake to Roseda, and so I spend
a lot of time driving and I'm always late, and
I feel like, here's the thing I've learned. I do
my makeup in the car. So I think doing makeup
at home, Wow, you're and you're able to be able
to drive and do your makeup. I do it at stoplights. Yeah,

(08:25):
I'm not dangerous about it, okay, because I remember, Yeah,
I remember sometimes like seeing like when when I was
in the midst of like my long commutes, when I
was like working the West Side and I lived in
the valley, going over the four oh five creeping, there
are always people doing their makeup, and I was always
like man with the stopping go. I always admired people
using like an eyeliner pencils so close to their eyeball

(08:47):
while like hit and stop and go traffic. I was
like there has to be some stat of like people
like traffic. But so yeah, and I will say, like
eyeliners the one thing I save for when I pull
into the park at the destination. But yeah, my foundation,
my blush. It's kind but yeah, but yeah, I think

(09:11):
about all the times you did your makeup in the
car jack. Yeah, you know, just like all the all
the stories. The other time I hear like these commuting
hacks is from like people in medical school, like and
it's just like ways to squeeze things in on your commute,
like to multitask, and like when my wife was going

(09:34):
through medical school, like their trick was like on the
commune when you're at a stoplight, you like, now you
put the car in park and nap until until the
car behind you honks, and then that's what wakes you
up from your nap, because that's just how it's It's
truly crazy that that's how we've decided to train doctors.

(09:55):
Is like we're gonna we're gonna make you sick, both
like phizz really and spiritually, and that's the only way
you get to take care of people. Right, that is
so much darker than Yeah, I've definitely had the same
thought that, like, why I'm going to start seeing people
driving by in the other direction with eye patches because

(10:16):
of how frequently I see people doing makeup while they're driving.
But you know, apparently it can be pulled off with
a plum. Yeah, what is What's something that you think
is underrated? Matthew? So, I have been really enjoying Bosh
the TV show, Okay, and I actually I don't know

(10:38):
if it's underrated. I think the people who find it
really like it. Yeah, the people of l A really
like it. Like I feel like it's a there's a
strong appreciation and that and people I know who are
like really into l A as a city love Bosh because, right,
isn't it? I have not dove in yet, but it does.

(10:59):
Like Teacher, it's like shot on on location throughout Los Angeles, right, well,
it is shot on location throughout Los Angeles. I will
also say that shocking, shockingly high percentage of the murders
happened in and around Council District four, which is not

(11:19):
true actually for crime stats, right, but putting an op
on you, Okay, like just look at Bosch, look happen
people are dying at the Hollywood Bowl people are dying. Yeah,
so another murder at the Hollywood Bowl for people who

(11:43):
aren't from l A. That's like the premier concert venue.
It's like that the Greek and then obviously like Staples
or the Forum for ant tour events. But yeah, the
Bowl is like our you know, any video game that
depicts l A, you gotta you have to build the
Hollywood Bowl when you're rendering, for sure. But it's also
weird the idea of someone getting murdered there, like I

(12:04):
think this, I think believe that this individual was murdered
in the pedestrian tunnel on the way to going underneath Highland.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, but anyway, but there's
like a lot a lot of council district forearm references.
So yeah, and do you when you're watching that, are
you like or you're just kind of you're you're able

(12:27):
to buy into the to the fantasy of like do
you do you do you? Are you ever? Like I'm
kind of bosh. I can't I could turn my job
as a city council member into like going around and
murder she wroting, so some y it's a totally boys
escapist escapist yeah, for sure, I think if it was

(12:49):
like too close to what we were seeing in l A,
I think I would have more trouble with it as
a as a relaxation right right. And the other actually,
can I do a serious one that I find underrated,
which is there's a documentary series called Philly d A
about Larry Krasner. Mm hmm, and that's it's one of

(13:13):
the best things I've watched in the past like two years,
and it's it's amazing, and it was so real and
so potent as a piece of filmmaking. I had to
pause it numerous times, you know, just because of what's happened.
You know, it was like too much for me to process,
especially given all that you know, all that's happening in
America right now. I just was like, oh my gosh. Yeah,

(13:35):
and I think very aligned with some of the questions
that you were asking Jack earlier about politics and the
future of America and progressive Yeah. They that feels like
the it's like the low hanging fruit for a lot
of people to go after trying to explain away certain
hills to be like, well, it's the progressive d A's
actually right, and we've seen that here in Los Angeles

(13:58):
with the attempted recalls, So Georgia gone, and you know,
I think it's really relevant for a lot of what's happening,
But it also talks about his office and management, and
you know, it's it's a complicated, complicated I think that
he's dealing with over there right right. And and given

(14:20):
the recall of San Francisco's d A, like, there's just
a lot happening right now. Yeah, the San Francisco's d
A was I don't really regularly consume the Wall Street
Journal or Fox News, but in talking to conservative relatives,
I did not realize how much of a national figure

(14:42):
like they had made San Francisco's progressive d A and
like that just the idea. They were like, that's he's
lost control of the city. Like, I feel like the
rest of the country was so all over this narrative
that progressive is in California. We're like, you know, causing

(15:04):
an apocalypse, right And now when you talk to people
from outside of l A, They're like, how do you
how do you live there? It's crazy. I live in
a version where I'm actually I know my neighbors and stuff,
not as freaky as the people with an agenda want
to make it seem but yeah, there are issues that
definitely have to solve like any Yeah, and I don't

(15:26):
you know, I don't think you ever, you don't ever,
you know, I don't think you get anywhere talking about
crime and people's fear and sense of safety in in
in a city by dismissing it. I think you talk
about what are real solutions to addressing it. But anyway, Yeah,
the fearmongering is fearmongering is also very real. And I

(15:47):
think there was they there was a little bit of
just creating a bogeyman around these right, because you know,
they put in a new d A and the same
things are happening before. Yeah, yeah, in San Francisco, of course.
All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right
back to dig into how to be progressive, How I

(16:08):
am be progressive. They've broken my brain. I don't know
how to even deal in the modern United States. So
I want to I want to hear how you're thinking
about that in one moment and we're back. Yeah. So

(16:31):
something that we just kind of keep coming up against,
whether it be with regards to you know, crime statistics
during the pandemic that we've already kind of made reference
to and that a lot of that got blamed on
progressive d a s, a lot of it got blamed
on the Black Lives Matter movement, and uh, you know,

(16:56):
and and now the statistics are are coming coming out,
and you know, people are actually looking at things and
seeing that crime went up everywhere and in the United States,
whether it was a progressive d A or a judge
with a noose in like the woods somewhere, like, the
crime went up all of those places. And in urban

(17:19):
areas and in rural areas, Yeah, that's the other you know,
like I think actually homicide spiked in rural areas even
more than they did in urban areas. And you know,
it's starting it's starting to seem like a lot of
these informal and formal you know, social networks that we
all have with going places, seeing people these like third

(17:42):
places that are in our home where you know, once
those went away and people just had more time and
we're shut up in their home. And also everybody started
buying more guns, like you know, those things were all
contributing factors. And also a bunch of crime statistics disappeared
for for the year, more so that they weren't like,

(18:03):
you know, jurisdictions in like Florida and Pennsylvania and California
which are massively represent like a lot of these statistics
weren't using like the new standardized way of reporting that
the FBI was asking for as they put together there
annual statistics. And that's whether they're like we're even now
if you want to make this sort of claim, like
you're dealing with incomplete data at best. But I didn't

(18:26):
even know that. Yeah, so so just like so we
have this narrative, like we we say, like they are
these policies and these social you know, things that we
should be investing in that went away during the pandemic,
and it turns out they're enormously popular or and enormously
important and without them, like things get really bad really quickly.
Very straightforward story to tell people about, you know, progressive politics.

(18:51):
And instead the version that comes back to us in
the mainstream media is that it's either progressive d a
s or's that like the police were defunded even though
they were still super duper funded. Like it's it's just
like that story in particular, where there is a truth

(19:11):
that is pretty straightforward that can be told and answer
all these questions, and that just like doesn't get told.
Is one of the examples where I just feel like America,
like the body of America, rejects anything having to do
with socialism and is addicted to this idea of violence

(19:33):
and anything that can drive a profit, like militarization of
the police can. So I don't know, like just just
sort of a vague like how you comment, Yeah, your comment? Please? Well,
you know, I I what I can speak to is
what I've been dealing with here in Los Angeles, and

(19:57):
I think we had this very heated conversation shin about
police and the role of policing in in Los Angeles
and a call for you know, real changes to how
we respond to or or or utilize policing here here
in this city. And then, you know, I think in

(20:19):
the in in after the election in in November, slowly
there started you know, becoming a backlash around really talking
about increases in the number of homicides, increases in crime
across America in Los Angeles, and what is very true
is that those numbers have gone up, as you mentioned,

(20:39):
and that they've gone up regardless of jurisdiction. They've gone up.
In urban and urban and rural areas. They've gone up
across cities, regardless of their policies, regardless of whether they
have progressive or non progressive days. I mean, there has
been a rise in homicides across the entire country, and
that's that's the reality of the moment that we're living in.
And so in response to that increase, there has been

(21:02):
a push locally and nationally for more police, more police
on our streets, more money to policing. And so you
had this kind of you know, whiplash moment where after
this intense conversation around the role of police and how
you deploy them in cities, you had this very intense
backlash that that came forward. And for me, what's been

(21:24):
really I think as someone who's trying to navigate these
conversations and legislate in these conversations, is that here in
l A, we couldn't hire more police even if we
wanted to. The l A p D is facing such
intense staffing shortages and they're not unique among city departments

(21:45):
right so across the entire city, as in the private sector,
there are intense staffing shortages facing the city and in
fact l A p D has been allocated for a
certain number of positions in the budget and hasn't even
been able to fill them because of attrition and because
they're not able to hire up fast enough. So retirements

(22:07):
have been so many that that they haven't been able
to hire up to match that retirement numbers. And so
to me, the question like when I go out and
talk to constituents and constituents are telling me, you know,
I feel anxious. I'm seeing the news, I'm seeing all
these I really want to talk to them about. Okay,
we're in this moment. The solutions that have been proposed

(22:28):
for decades, which is, let's add to the police, let's
add to the police, let's add to the police in
response to your fears. That's not that's not possible right
now because of this moment. So how do we think
about what is really going to make you feel safer?
And I think a lot of those things that were
discussed in exactly what we need to be investing in
right now. It's you know, how do we respond to

(22:49):
homelessness without police involvement. I hear from my the senior
lead officers that are kind of in charge of various
parts of our district that forty two six of their
time spent responding to calls about homelessness that are not
related to violent crime or assault. It's just there's an
encampment here, you know, And so they're going out and

(23:09):
doing that work. But are they the right people to
be responding to that? Is there a better way that
we can be responding to calls about homelessness that you
know that really tries to get those individuals who are
on the streets on their path into a home. If
you're talking about traffic response, you know, what are we
doing in terms of monitoring traffic safety when when you

(23:31):
have a collision, does armed police need to come out
and respond there or can we send someone else? Or
is there ways of doing traffic enforcement that doesn't that
doesn't involve armed police as much because there are d
O T traffic officers Department of Transportation traffic officers as well.
But how do we think about that in ways that
really remove police from areas where they have been before?

(23:53):
Mental health crisis response, you know, are there are there
many many situations where we're sending armed police out when
we own and so I think for me, it's like,
let's have a conversation about safety. You know, let's have
this conversation about what it really means to have a
response to safety, that that that really responds to the
needs that we have in Los Angeles and responds to

(24:14):
the conditions that we're facing here, that doesn't just go
to this. You know, ultimately, if you're hearing from politicians that, oh,
you're not feeling safe, we're going to add police, Like
that's at this point, I can tell you that that's
a lie in l A, right, because it's just you're saying,
functionally not possible. It's not possible, because it's just not possible.

(24:34):
We can't go to that well anymore. So, so in
order to have a conversation about what what responds to
the very real challenges that we're facing in Los Angeles
right now need to be I think we just have
to have a very different conversation and and I think
we have to be real with constituents about that. We
have to be real with Angelina's about that. And I
think I would imagine that many other cities across America

(24:57):
are facing these same challenges and curious because you know,
like with with police budgets, I know you voted to
increase them. And I know there's probably more nuance around
it than some people. I feel like some people just say,
I can't believe she voted to increase police budgets just
full stop, because if they felt, maybe on then the campaign,
this is something you're fully invested in, but for one

(25:19):
reason or another that there are things like caps on
how many people can be you know, hired, or the
ability to hire more people, or that certain raises are
built in based on like union agreements. How like you
like earlier you were saying, it's like you're now you're
in this position where you're trying to navigate that and
legislate based from that position. How do you sort of
what do you put forward to people who may have

(25:41):
been like really looking at the idea of police like
increasing police budgets bad? So therefore that I can't I'm
not going to think much more about it, because, like
you said, had a lot of people just very invested
in this one or at least one dimension of altering
how we respond to certain you know, emergencies in our city. Yeah,

(26:02):
and the first, you know, I think I really want
to say that, like I receive a lot of criticism
about my work I also receive a lot of support,
but I receive a lot of criticism. And I'm I'm
very like if people are disappointed, like I just want
to say, this is not me saying they don't have
any right to be disappointed or you know whatever, Like
I understand, and I'm I'm out here trying to navigate

(26:23):
this in the way that one person out of fifteen
can and and really deliver the best results for the
people of my district at this moment. And during the
budget process, I put forward some you know, long pieces
of writing about why I you know, what my relationship
to the budget process was. But the one thing I
do want to say about the Los Angeles budget when

(26:45):
we that budget vote is not an updown vote on
the police budget alone. It's an omnibus budget, right, So
it's like all these things and and there's a huge
amount of negotiation that happens as we move through it,
where you're saying, Okay, how much money am I going
to get for the Planning Department? How much money am
I going to get for building affordable housing in Los Angeles?
How much money am I going to get for for
active transportation? Like you know, I I'm really a big

(27:09):
proponent of bike lanes and traffic safety measures, and I
actually can't get those implemented in my district because we
don't have staff at the Department of Transportation to design
those measures on our roads. And one of the big
things I fought for and that budget was more people
to work on active transportation measures. And I got that. Um,
I got that as part of the budget process. And yeah,

(27:31):
like the police funding was a big part of the budget.
It has been historically a big part of the budget.
And there were raises baked into it that increased the
numbers of how much money we were committing to the
police force. And looking at that and looking at what
I was able to get out of the budget, you know,

(27:51):
I I move forward with it because I think when
you're negotiating on it, you're saying, Okay, I'll support this
if we can do this, this and this right, And
I get like, you know, it's like any like you know,
they're omnibus bills and the federal level that you know,
certain certain items are like poison pills for some legislators
and some aren't for you to see like a version
of Los Angeles where we can legislate in that way,

(28:14):
and we are saying like without you know, all of
like the to address all of these needs that we
have while really being able to like have a laser
focus on, you know, realizing well, they're the direct increase
in police budgets doesn't correlate to our an increase in
our safety. How are we able to sort of streamline
the process because I'm sure there's many there's so many

(28:35):
voices that come into that process that I'm sure it's
it becomes chaotic, Like what are you know? Like, I
think that's why a lot of people when we look
at how we can change things, we always see how
the established process is basically the biggest hurdle into like
meaningful change. Yeah, I'm curious, like what's the version that
we need to be thinking of that allows us to
have these conversations where we can't say, you know what,

(28:57):
we have enough votes on the city council, we know
it like having more invested in social services and people
who are trained in responding to crises like this, that
we can do that in a very easy way. But
I get that there's so much entrenched power. But I'm curious,
as someone who wrestling that, what's you know, like, what's
the vision of that for the future. So I think
one of the things that people have to understand about

(29:18):
the way that the l A City Council is set up,
and this may not be relevant for your national audience,
but is that a lot of the work of determining
what projects move forward and what programs move forward, it
is done through committees. And I don't sit on the
Public Safety Committee, but I think the people who sit
on the Public Safety Committee have will have a lot
of power over what happens in terms of our response

(29:40):
to public safety issues in l A. So the key
things are the council president assigns people to various committees.
And you know, if you've been following the news, you
know who was our council president till very recently, Yes Martinez,
Yes Neri Martinez. And so she assigned me to the
Housing Committee, to the homeless, some poverty committee, to These

(30:01):
are all committees that I think are really important, but
I'm not I don't sit on the Public Safety Committee,
and I think that committee is really responsible for trying
to bring up and ensure that departments are following through
on alternative responses to public safety. Right and without that
committee's leadership and its chair really pushing forward on those

(30:21):
it's going to be hard to see progress. So the
reality is a lot of the power on those issues
sits within that committee. The committee chair determines which motions
get hurt by the Committee and moved to the full Council.
And we don't have right now a coherent alternative response
system in place in Los Angeles, right So that's that's

(30:43):
the other reality of the moment that we're facing right
now is that there's all these great ideas. There is
a pilot program in Hollywood and Venice called the Circle program,
which is supposed to take some of the you know,
nine one one calls that are coming in and moving
them to unarmed response. There is a mobile van that's
supposed to be housed at fire stations and go out

(31:05):
from there. So there's all these different pilot programs, but
there's no coherence around thinking about what are these programs doing,
what are they actually changing as we move forward, are
they effective, what's the most effective, How can we really
invest and expanding them beyond the pilot phase. Actually put

(31:26):
forward a motion earlier this year which just is making
its way through the Committee and the council asking for
exactly this, you know, And I think this is in
addition to thinking about police budgets and police presence, I
think we also need to be thinking about how do
we actually fund staff and increase the capacity of these

(31:47):
alternative systems to actually respond to issues in Los Angeles.
And that's to me, that's like the thing that we
we do need to be focusing on in a in
a very real sense, Like you know, getting back to
your first question or the introduction that you have, Jack,
is like, how do you how do you exist as
a progressive in this space? I think one of the
things that we need to be doing as a movement,

(32:09):
as a progressive movement, as a big tent progressive movement,
is to be talking about what we want to see,
not just what we don't want to see, and I
think being really clear and focused about what those goals
are and then going out there and fighting for those
things wherever they show up on council or supervisorial or
county agendas. You know, that that's a kind of work

(32:31):
that I think we need to be doing as a
movement in order to really move forward, because it's not
just about saying we don't want this. It's about building
the world that we want to see, right, what do
we replace it with? I heard you talk about like
seeing somebody I think they were in your district having
a mental health crisis, and but they weren't a danger
to themselves or other people, And so you tried to

(32:55):
navigate the process of, you know, like finding a solution,
finding nobody away, to call somebody who could come help.
That wasn't a police officer pointing a gun at that person.
And I couldn't find it. I couldn't find it. By
the way, so as you were, you were a city
council member, I'm a sitting city council person and I'm

(33:17):
I'm I'm watching a person have a crisis on the streets,
and I call the Department of Mental Health, which is
controlled by l A County. So mental health response in
l A is not controlled by the city, it's controlled
by the county. I called l A County and not
only did they not come, they never even called me back.
And the reason is because despite the fact that we

(33:38):
have an enormous homelessness crisis, despite the fact that some
although not all, certainly not all people who are experiencing
homelessness have mental health vulnerabilities, some of them do. And
the reality is that we need street based mental health
outreach and street based response to mental health issues. Right
And despite the reality of that that we've been grappling
with in Los Angeles for many, many years now, the

(34:00):
county has almost no mental health outreach teams that a
rapid response like this and has no capacity to respond
to calls for help in that way. And so for
the entirety of the San Fernando Valley, for example, that
enormous area, there is one mental health outreach team that
the Department of Mental Health funds. Yeah, part my English,

(34:22):
but yeah, it's that's bullshit, you know. Yeah, I think
you were saying that, Like when you talked to somebody,
they were like, we're still like dealing with yesterday's calls,
and it's like, that's that doesn't really it doesn't help me.
It doesn't help us at this moment. And so like
that and that, and you know, when I ran for office,
one of the things I really talked about was saying,
I want to have a system of responding to homelessness

(34:44):
in my district which tries really to move it into
the hands of trained professionals, Is there is there like
a tension right because we all know it's like we
don't need the cops to be responding, you know, and
they're like, you know, we'd love to not be responding
to this, but is there they say that is there?
I know, but they say that right, and then but
they're like, we need more money, but we need more

(35:06):
that like what's how do how does where does the
rubber meet the road? In trying to get the stakeholders
to understand it's like, because we talk all the time
as observers of just the news and looking at you know,
crime statistics or how crimes even reported like breathlessly by
the l A Times or fucking Los Angeles magazine, that
absurd publication, Like at what point are we able to

(35:29):
really get this message through? It's like you know that
we always talk about it's like if there if there
was a correlation between how much we spent in crime,
there should be negative crime, you know. Like so that's
what I'm curious to see how those conversations play out,
like because obviously you have a living entity as like
the police department, who's they're saying like, well, we need
this money and or do they look at giving away

(35:50):
some of this responsibility as making them more vulnerable to
like saying, well, then what do y'all do you know?
Like is I'm I'm curious to know how they're rationalized
or the debates that you hear when there are people
who advocate for this is why it needs to be
this way, This is why it needs to be this
way when you know logic or basic analysis would say like,
it seems like there's a myriad of other ways of

(36:10):
things we can try because we've been doing it this
way forever and results are the same. I mean, we
even heard Joe Biden and a speech be like we
don't need to defund the police, we need to extra
super duper fund the police because they because they do
because there are mental health counselors and like giving listing
all these things that they're bad at that they shouldn't do,

(36:31):
that they don't want to do. So it's like, yeah,
I don't know, Yeah, I mean I think for me,
like I'm always trying to think about this and how
you talk to constituents about building support for a better
way of doing things, a more logical way of doing things.
And I think one thing that I would say is
that I think often when you're talking to constituents, a

(36:53):
big complaint that you hear is, you know, I had
an incident of violent crime, or I witnessed an incident
of crime, or had something happened to me and the
police didn't come fast enough, you know. And so when
I hear that, I think one of the things that
that's a moment when you can say, Okay, look you
had armed violence happening. That may be a space where

(37:16):
armed police are appropriate responders, right, but for everything else,
we want to make sure that we are taking that
off of l A p d S plate. And I
think in that in that conversation and so that they
can respond more quickly to your instance of armed violence
where you didn't feel like you were supported or you

(37:36):
felt safe. And so that that's like for me in
terms of trying to think about building a case for
that better world. That's that's not just an argument that
I think has a lot of power. I think it's
it's it's something that I think instinctively people understand, you know.
I think we don't move forward as a city unless

(37:59):
we're able to really have conversations about safety and about
these issues. In ways that don't undermine people's fears. And
I said that before. I just think that that's like
an important way, a part of how we move forward
in building that new future, even if you know, you
may not think that those fears are legitimate or based

(38:21):
in the statistics, or I just feel like in order
to have a conversation that's really fruitful, I think we
all have to respect each other's kind of where you're
coming from. And I think we can make real progress,
real measurable progress on doing exactly those kinds of things
and taking armed police out of mental health crisis response,

(38:43):
on taking police out of you know, your everyday homelessness response,
and you're going to have real widespread support for that,
those changes that can transform people's lives. I mean, like,
let's just be clear that if we're talking about vulnerability
to police violence and that something that you care about,
making sure that police are not your first line of

(39:05):
response to calls about homelessness is really important because I think,
you know, last in the last count a third of
all victims of police violence were homeless in l A.
You know, so, how can we have how can we
make concrete progress on these issues? How do we do
that right, because you're not saying I gotta go to
the like sixty five year old lifelong Sherman Oaks resident

(39:28):
and be like, well, you know, these crime statistics are
blah blah blah, and like sort of do this kind
of you have to sort of meet them where they're at,
which is like, well, what do you You don't feel
safe because of X, Y and Z. Well, this is
actually how we solve it. Because I feel like this
l A is really are I think most cities are
at this place where people have either the really aggressive,
violent solution to a problem, and then there's a group

(39:50):
of people advocating for something that like acknowledges the people's
like someone's humanity as a solution to it. So like,
for example, like again in l A, there's so much
talk of like there's such a weaponization of the unhoused people,
like the unhoused community here for political points. I have
neighbors acquaintances around the city that seem to not be
interested in solving the issues that accelerate the growth of

(40:14):
the unhoused community, like they don't really care about it.
For like they don't understand, they don't understand stuff, like
they just see homelessness and they go, oh my god,
what are they fucking doing over there in city Hall?
And that ainematic ends, and there's like a really specific
type of Angelino right votes Democrat, hangs all the right
signs outside of their home, but when it comes to
talking about the un housed, their only idea to contribute

(40:36):
is some version of get rid of them, or I
don't want to see them, or they are dangerous. And
right now there's like this Crusoe supporter who's like going
around l a videotaping people that are living on like
on the street, and just like shaming them and narrating
to the camera this is why we need to vote
for Caruso. And the comments are like an intellectual war

(40:56):
zone like on these videos. But you know, I'm curious
for someone who's been advocating for trying to solve this
in a way that makes sense and isn't just will
ship them out somewhere or like just being more brutal
and say hey, you either take treatment or you live
on the streets again or whatever. You know, a lot
of people have all these really messed up mantras. I'm
curious if you've seen a shift in these kinds of
attitudes or what how do you even connect somebody who's

(41:19):
like seemingly being like I understand all these other problems,
but I just can't quite cross the intellectual rubicon into
seeing an unhoused person as a human being that is
unfortunate and is worthy of some kind of help, rather
than saying this is a nuisance, because it's either nuisance
or someone in need of help is helping see them.
And I think we can never abandon the base, you know,

(41:42):
I think my entire campaign, my entire time in office,
has been built around the idea that you if you
center on house people in your response to homelessness, and
if you center their dignity, that that we actually have.
You know that that for sst of all, that that
is that is a moral imperative, you know, no matter

(42:04):
what right is. That's just step one. But the but
the incredible thing is that if you do it that way,
if you respond to homelessness in that way, that you
actually address homelessness more effectively. Then you know, there's there's
there's two dances that we put and house people through

(42:25):
here in Los Angeles. One is a sidewalk shuffle where
you break tents on one sidewalk, people move across the street,
and then they move back, and then there's the there's
the movement from sidewalk to jail and back to the sidewalk,
and neither of these actually addresses homelessness, neither of them.

(42:46):
And if so, if you want a long term solution
to homelessness, if you want to see our way out
of this crisis, there's no way through it that doesn't
center the dignity of those people who are living on
the streets and ensuring that your response is tailored to
those individuals needs. And I think, I think one of

(43:06):
the challenges that that I feel like I pushed back
on and that I always have conversations with residents across
the district about is like I have no I believe
that homelessness is not a good thing for l A.
It's not. It's worse for the people who are experiencing homelessness,
but it's bad for our entire city. Like I want.
I'm here because I want to end homelessness, you know,

(43:29):
And I think just just making sure, like I think
that people understand that the goal of this work is
not too keep people on the street, but rather too
much more effectively help them navigate their way off the streets.
That alone is a game changer and having those conversations
because I do think there is a bogeyman there. You know,
am I saying that word right? Is it boogeyman or

(43:49):
boge I've always heard boogeyman, but bogeyman also adds like
a I think it's appropriate for like our top gun,
because is like the bad plane that's going to come
shoot you. I like mis pronounced words all the time,
and so I just realized as I was like, this
is the second time I'm musingly mis pronouncing it again.

(44:11):
But yeah, but like to me, it's really just there
is this, I think persistent feeling that if you are
fighting back against the sidewalk shuffle or the jail to
streets circle, that what you're actually advocating for is for
people to remain on the streets, And in fact, it's

(44:32):
exactly the opposite. It's exactly the opposite. I mean, you've
talked about structural kind of problems with with regards to
addressing homelessness that I feel like they then trickled down
to the like individual level, like with the sidewalk shuffle
district by district there when you entered office, there was

(44:55):
not there still isn't. There isn't was okay, So each
district is responsible for addressing homelessness within their district, which
leads to makes it very easy for your answer to
be moved them to a different district, right, yes, exactly
so and and and the incoherence of this is mind boggling.

(45:16):
So is that something like how how are I guess
i'd I'd love to shift too. Things that you are
seeing work and things that are giving you hope for
like addressing this as you're coming up on like the
two year mark, like what what what are you seeing work?
And actually gain traction? Well a lot of that change

(45:39):
this last week, right you know, Yeah, I mean, let's
let's talk about this last week and just like what
it was like from your perspective, because I mean they
were they were talking about redistricting you on in that
meeting where they were also just using cartoonish you know,
movie villain anti black racism in a way that seemed

(46:01):
like it was just the the accepted culture, like I mean,
abhorrent language and and and homophobic tropes. You know, over
and over again of the use of homophobic tropes. It
was so upsetting the use of anti black language. By
the way. Also, you know they they made fun of
w Hawkins in Koreatown, so it's also anti indigenous, anti

(46:25):
indigenous language. Yeah, so you know, it was abhorrent. It
was an abhorrant conversation. And you know, I think my obviously,
my first instinct and response was to just the level
of outrage that I felt on behalf of my my

(46:46):
colleague Mike Bond and son and his family, you know,
Mike and his husband Sean, and it knew no bounds.
And I think just and I was heartened to see
that so many people showed up in whatever way, online,
in person, via emails, via phone calls, just to say like,

(47:09):
we reject this so wholeheartedly, like this is so not
Los Angeles, you know. So I think that I just
want to say that it was really like moving to
be witnessed to that, and yeah, that that that's important
to note. But this, you know, I think obviously I'm
still grappling with it, grappling with the implications of what happened,

(47:29):
and a couple of things I wanted to share, as
you know, as you think about what we've been discussing
in council for the past year, and I don't I
don't mean I meant think, I meant month twenty or
twenty one. Right now, I can't remember on the council
and the priorities that we've been discussing on. So, you know,
Kevin de Leon shared the Homelessness and Poverty Committee. Gil

(47:51):
Sadio chaired the Housing Committee, which also encompasses renter protections.
That's where we discuss, you know, keeping people housed, you know.
And then Marie Martinez was the council president, which means
she's set the agenda for what we discussed in the
full council. And I think about some of the discussions
that have occupied us and that have been some of
the most conflict ridden over the past almost two years.

(48:15):
And I think about our focus on enforcement as a
response to homelessness, and our constant discussions on how we
expand the scope of enforcement with regards to homelessness, and
that occupied so much of our time on council, And
I think about what what those discussions would have looked like,
or what those priorities would have been, had the people

(48:38):
setting the agendas not expose themselves as racists. How would
that How would our agenda and homelessness and poverty look
like if it was being set by people who had
who had the best interests of every single person in
Los Angeles at heart, you know, and I think I
do think it would look different. I think for me,

(48:59):
I've nified over and over again that a key part
of why we're not able to address our homelessness crisis
is housing. We simply do not have the shelter beds
or the housing units to house all of our homeless people. Here.
We don't have a we don't have a system that's
designed to do that. New York City has more homeless
people than l A County, but way fewer people on

(49:19):
the streets. They have, you know, only like two thousand
people who are on the streets. And the reason is
because they have a court case that mandates that they
create the number of shelter beds that they need for
every single person who is experiencing homelessness in that city.
And so they've had to do that and they've just
done it, and here in l A we've never done it.
We don't even have even right now, despite the fact

(49:40):
that we've made more investments in shelter and in housing
over the past few years than we ever have in
Los Angeles city history or county history for that matter.
We still don't have enough units, beds, whatever to house
our entire homeless population. Houston, which has reduced its homeless
population by an a star wishing, I think over the

(50:01):
last few years, has three times the number of housing
units that they have and house residents. So you see
the difference that we have in our response, and you think, oh,
why weren't we talking about this the entirety of the
time that I've been here instead of the other thing,
which is telling people where they can or can't camp, right, right,

(50:22):
because ultimately enforcement, like you know that that helps the
police stay busy. That also helps people who might be
you know, maybe averse to building affordable housing or getting
behind that too. That I'm sure they're like, well, let's
I'm into enforcement, because I'm I'm sure there's also plenty
I mean, I know there's plenty of nambiism going on
to or people are like, well, there's no way I

(50:43):
can live, but you know with these people in my community.
But you're so your solution is just to kick them
out rather than to say well, there is a way
for them to actually move out of you know, being
unhoused and potentially to be able to have a job
or not be living on the street. Does that seem
like a good option, But it seems like a lot
of people just immediately see also help is being like, well,

(51:05):
that's gonna mess up my property values, And I just yeah,
I just want to say one thing, Miles, which is
that I have a I actually think Los Angeles is
better than what we heard on those recordings, for sure,
you know, um, And I think you're right that there
is nimby pushback on specific homeless housing units. But I

(51:26):
actually think if you look at the history of our
votes on resources for homelessness, on on making sure that
people have what they need in terms of addressing the
lack of shelter beds, are housing, like we vote for
it in droves, we vote for it overwhelmingly. Like Los
Angeles is a city that gets behind housing and resources

(51:47):
for for homelessness, And I don't want to let the
actions of these three people take that away from us,
like we were This is a you know, I really
believe in the city, and I think that they were
misguided in thinking that the agenda of the city needed
to be focused on these issues, and I don't think
that's the will of the people. I feel, you know

(52:09):
that as we have a mayor race with a real
estate billionaire, that's you know, coming down to the wire.
It feels like I I just keep being struck by
real estate, the real estate industry's role in this, and
just it feels like real estate is so such a
powerful force in l A. And and the real estate

(52:31):
answer has always been, you know, just anywhere but here,
like use the police to take the problem the crime
the unhoused person anywhere but here, Like is is that
something you see like on the ground, like in these
meetings like that that you're on, Like do you do

(52:54):
you see like those forces at play or is it
like more kind of cellular down to the DNA level
than that, or how do how do you think about that,
like the relationship between the real estate industry here and
how we respond to homelessness and affordable housing and everything,
because it's yeah, so you know, I'm so I'm an

(53:15):
urban planner by training, and I've looked at the history
of affordable housing construction in America for a long time,
and I will say that we've built more affordable housing
here in Los Angeles over the last few years because
of things called basically density bonus programs. Right, So, the
way that it's been happening is that you basically provide

(53:36):
private real estate developers the capacity to build a little
bit higher if they add affordable units to their existing constructions.
And as a city right now, again I'm just operating
within our existing contests. I don't context. I don't have
the capacity to fund a huge amount of public housing.
In fact, I have almost no money for affordable housing,

(53:56):
and so these density bonus rules are really the only
way that we're creating any kind of affordable housing stock
here in l A. And that's that's the reality of
the context that we are in right now. I think
if the president or at the federal level they made
changes so that they were really funding a public housing
program the way that they did in the last century,

(54:19):
I think that we could make real progress on building
more affordable units here in Los Angeles without having to
rely on the private real estate sector. But we're not
in that context right now, right and so you know,
I think for me, the role of the private real
estate industry is a very complicated one. I think there's

(54:39):
there There are people who are very focused on policing
as a response to homelessness, but I think there's also
a lot of nonprofit developers, you know, even even some
for profit developers who are trying to provide Section eight
units who are saying we want to partner with the
city and being a better in doing better and responding

(55:02):
better to this issue. And I think what we need
to be setting up is a system where where we
don't have the private real estate sector either bribing their
way through city politics, which is what happens all the time,
or having outsized influence on decision making in the city.
And I think those things can be achieved through smart
interventions in campaign finance reform and in in in in

(55:26):
really changing how we organize our Ethics Commission and our
rules on lobbyists taking part in in these public conversations.
And you know, I think that that's how we that's
how we minimize the role of any profit seeking industry
on how we decide our priorities from the city. Right, Yeah, Well,

(55:49):
your job sounds hard. Yeah, I feel I feel like
I talked way too much, Like but this is kind
of what we're always talking or out on this show
as we're you know, talking about like observing and making
strange human body based metaphors about what's wrong with America.

(56:12):
You know, is like it's very very interesting and you know,
complicated and just good too good to hear from you now,
you know, twenty one months into the job and here
here the challenges and the where where you feel like

(56:33):
you can you can improve and just what it is
what it's like in there. So I appreciate you taking
the time. Yeah, and I for me like again and
thinking through that initial question that you brought up around
progressive power and what it means to be a progressive
in America. One thing I really want to think about
and talk about as we move forward is what does

(56:55):
that look like in terms of material change for the
people of my district and the people of Los Angeles,
And how do we design a policy agenda that gets
us there, you know, And that's that's what That's the
conversation I want to be having with people who care
about these issues going forward. I want to be having
that with you in your audience and with the public

(57:16):
and with constituents who care deeply about this. And the
exciting thing for me in some ways, you know, this
has been a very hard times, been a very hard
you know, weak and change. But I also think that
we can build that those material changes, like we can
have those happen for people in l A. So I
feel really excited about what these next steps are going

(57:37):
to be and how we coalesce around that shared agenda
and really use our power at every moment of decision
making here in the city to push for that change.
For Ugo, let's get let's get more progressives on the
city council and for sure, but did he leak the
tapes to Los Angeles Magazine? Is that what they said? Oh? Yeah,

(57:59):
d like front and center. That's why like this city again,
That's what I'm like, ludicrous, ludicrous conspiracy here. I'd hate,
I'd hate to be a politician in l A. Because
there's just so there's just so much, so many ways
for for people to try and derail like a legitimate

(58:19):
push towards something that's constructive and even like the same
way they're trying to even undermine, like the coalition. They're like, Oh,
black and Latino, the alliance between Blacks and Latinos have
already been fraught until now, and It's like ask anybody
who's actually in the streets or any activists like there,
people know what time it is, like you you have
to be arm in arm with each other. That's the
only way things are are moving. But it's interesting to

(58:41):
see how even with this controversy too, there's a lot
of like you know, fuel being thrown on the fire
to try and make, you know, make it seem like
something else. I also just want to say that I
think the system is really gross and awful, but Angelino's
that's that's that was okay by everyone. Actually, we did

(59:04):
forget to take our second break, so let's take a
quick break and then we'll come back and say our
official goodbyes and we're back. And you you were just
saying that the systems gross, and that's all you have

(59:24):
to say on that the systems gross. But I also
I think that Angelinos are amazing. And you're absolutely right
that people on the street they don't they absolutely don't
agree with what that vision of you know, of a
contentious fight between black, black Angelinos and Latino like, it

(59:48):
just doesn't That's not how they read the world, that's
not how they paid the city around them. And right
and it's clear that at that level for the nurse
and Gills and Kevin's of the world, that what that's
their world view of how power works. And there's clearly
another version where people look at the ongoing issues and say, well,
these aren't actually the solutions to these and working to them,

(01:00:09):
like working with each other sincerely, is actually how we're
going to get some like material changes you're saying, and
that's the only way. But yeah, yes, exactly. Yeah, it's
a really troubled time, but you can see that there's
a lot of possibility on the other side. And I
think that's at least the part I lean into without
becoming fully nihilistic about being a lifelong Angelino. Yeah, well,

(01:00:32):
where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff? Uh, yeah,
you can follow the Council Office. You just look up
c D four Los Angeles on any of your social
media platforms. I do some of my policy thinking on
my personal stuff, so I'm usually at you can just
look me up at THEA for the city or Nitia
v Raman on Twitter and Instagram. Um. And I also

(01:00:54):
wanted to plug the United to how's l a ballot
measure which is amazing and it can actually give us
the money to build exactly the kind of affordable housing
and homeless solutions that we need to to get us
out of this moment of crisis. And that's I'm gonna
that's going to be on your ballot. You should already
have your ballots at home if you live in the

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l A. And it's taxes real estate sales over some
number of million dollars. I mean, it's not going to
impact ordinary people, and it's going to generate a lot
of money for for all the good stuff that we
need to be building, the concrete stuff that we need
to be building. So United's how's l a boat? Yes,

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there you go. And is there a tweet or some
of the work of social media you've been enjoying? Oh gosh,
we're a show. I mean, you know some other work
of social media that I've been enjoying. Social is your currency?
What are you enjoying? Oh? Allow us to tell you

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that from you? I need enjoyed that. Well, I will look.
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if you like y fiance checked me and Sophia Alexandrow
on Four Day Fiance. The Predictions episode this this week

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because the season is beginning. Yes, yes, wait for some
real off base predictions. Must Some tweets that I like,
Let's see first. One is from Costs at cost on
c a a underscore tweeted as a hater, I'm so
happy Tom Brady came out of retirement watching him go
out sad He's even better than I could have imagined.

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Uh And I was like in that one. And then
Miss Hollywood at Carter for Real tweeted fake passed out
on my three year old daughter and she still didn't call.
She punched me in my face and yelled, you can't
die right now. That's ridiculous. Also like maybe my worst
nightmare as a child, you know what I mean, Like
when I should be like watching my parents sleep and stuff.

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Oh man, Yeah, I'm I'm always tempted to do that,
to be like how they react? How would they react?
But I don't. I don't get Yeah, I've yet to
pretend I was dead for my four and six year
old for your Weekend at Bernie's emotional test. Yeah, yeah, alright.
Some tweets I've been enjoying Old Tom at Yucky Tom tweeted,

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got high. I went to the gym and I turned
to my buddy and said, who's this guy? Supposed to
be Steve Pineapple? And when he said what, I realized
this was a character of my own creation, from deep
within my subconscious and not a reference burn anyone would understand.
And that just brought me back to the weirdness of
being high back when I was also not good on

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Big Spooky Dead tweeted, I went to the Silly Goose
convention and they all knew you, which is just a
good thing to say to people. And then on the
subject of local politics, you know, as this is a
good way to put put something in terms I can understand.
Brent to dairy and twittered a picture of a T
shirt at a one of the baseball games that was

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happening this weekend, said, the shirt makes a really good point.
Vote and the shirt says the mayor from Jaws is
still the mayor in Jaws too. It is so important
to vote in your local elections. In facts, how he
how he weathered that storm of being like we're keeping

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the damn beaches open, shark attacks be damned and then
like three people got eaten in front of everyone, like
it was a spectator sport. That's I don't know what
his comms team must have been putting in work. Spectacular, constant. Yeah,
one of the best to ever do it. You can
find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can

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today's episode, as well as the song that we think
you might enjoy. Hey, Miles, what's the song that we
think people might enjoy it? Oh? Man, I'm telling you. Okay,
So this is I'm gonna I'm back on my drumming

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bass thing. Okay, I know it's some sometimes you were
like Miles, right, you listening so much drumming bass because
sometimes it feels free and to listen to drumm and
bass while you're bicycling around the city. Okay. And there's
this one is a fantastic mashup of a Brazilian track
that I think is I want to say, let me
just make sure I know who the original track is.

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Oh yeah, so Barbatukas, who's like the Brazilian version of Stomp.
They have a track called Buyana and then this artist
called Nia Archives did a drum and bass remixed to it,
and just as somebody who loves Brazilian music and drum
and bass, it was just a very pleasant surprise to hear.
So this is Buyanna by Nia Archives. Listen to it
while you b Yeah, maybe do a little freestyle like

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you know, look, you're just all over you know. I'm
not trying to put people in danger out there, spect
if you can't freestyle, so maybe free style bike and
put on your makeup. That would be truly amazing. I
was doing their makeup well if so, send video for proof.
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