July 10, 2025 • 66 mins
In episode 1894, Jack and Miles are joined by science fiction and fantasy writer, author of Riot Baby and co-host of The Inner Cities Podcast, Tochi Onyebuchi, to discuss… It’s Ok That Medicaid Is Being Cut... YOU CAN NOW TOIL IN THE FIELDS, Is AI A Good Daddy? And more!
- It’s Ok That Medicaid Is Being Cut... YOU CAN NOW TOIL IN THE FIELDS
- Schmitt: "The answer is opening those opportunities up for American workers."
- Is AI A Good Daddy?
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Man, like, what why do we have you?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
You're such an esteemed guest man?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
What are you doing here? I'm just here for a
good time.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Oh man, we love that, we love that, we love that,
we love that. Awesome.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Well, we're thrilled to have you. Thanks for doing that.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Yeah, no, pleasure, a pleasure. I'm super I'm actually super happy.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
That's help.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Put me onto you all, okay, fresh air.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah, you're just that man. You don't got so you
have to.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
You have to convince us before we start recording you're
worthy of having you on. I believe in you.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
What weird?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
What weird energy to bring?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Boy hosts?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
You don't even care? Man yourself?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Okay, you mean it.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
It's like act three of a Mighty Duck movie, right
right right, that's where we start. Gott it. We started
act three.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
He just has to learn how to stop on skates
and he'll put it all together because this guy is
all go.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
No breaks. Come on, it's knuckle punk time. Hello the Internet,
and welcome to season three ninety six, Episode four of
Daily Zai Guys. This is a production by Heart Radio.
It's a podcast where we take a deep dave into
America's share consciousness and it is Thursday, July tenth, twenty
(01:33):
twenty five. Get your get your slurpy drinking straws. Already
you already know what day it is. It's July tenth,
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
If you're checking in, It's Chronic Disease Day, National Peni
Colata Day, National Kitten Day, and National.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Clara Hugh Day.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Who's Edmund Clara Hugh Bentley.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I don't know. I don't miles. I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
It celebrates up not oh, this sounds like white people. Haikup.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It's like what there?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
It's as what I said. On July tenth. Each year,
National Claire Hue Day in the United States celebrates a
poem style created by Edmund Claire Hugh Bettley. His four
line biographical poem offers a brief the whimsical approach to poetry.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Okay, it's like one syllable off from the high coup
and he's like'vent to that shit? This is so bad?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Okay? Is these are your five Claire? You must have
four lines rhyming couplets of AA, B B, a person's
name in the first line, something said about that person,
and humor. Because Claire Hugh poems are meant to be
a funny poem.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Claire Hugh was my favorite humorist, my favorite Canadian who,
my favorite comedian.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
William He had a magneto tattoo on his back.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Hey, okay, his favorite show. Wait now, I'm fucked up,
worked on this trying something and I feel like that
was more limericks.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I would fuck it, I think, is how I would
end it? Is that how I end?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah? Yeah? The ones of magneto tattoo. You didn't say
where it is on my back tramp stamp of Jason. Uh,
my name's Jack O'Brien aka can it be that it
was all so dimples? Then? That one courtesy of archcam
Cam on the discord in reference to uh, my first
(03:20):
nickname from my aunts. After my cousins would say Jackie,
you're steal into Joels. My aunts would come up and
pinch my cheeks and call me dimples. So that's a
little bit about myself when you put that in your
fucking couplet, May cl Clara Hugh, Pat Donahue, Pat Donahue
take down shit. I'm thrilled to be joined as always
(03:41):
by my co host mister Miles Grass Miles Gray.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Kay BBS seems going good. Oh seems like a sudden stinct.
Oh maybe this fat was already old when I get
it injectoed.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Maybe it drowned.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Fuck is that mold?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
What if it? Please?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Holy hell no, he's not me. I need light bo
it's so grotesque. Trendo. Okay, shout out housey on Salad
for that Espresso related to BBL stink stink.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one, well done, like one
of our one of our favorite songs, one of our
greatest artists.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Health do you remember remember like when Espresso came out
and Molly Lambert was like, dude, you know, like like
this is right when it came out and Molly was
like casually brought it up.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
She was like, overrated Espresso. I'm like tired of hearing
it everywhere. And we were like, yeah, yeah, Google Google Google,
just to hear us frantically Google. I'm working, lady, I'm
listening to Weird now with my kids. All right, that's
what I'll be over here listening to weirdol Miles, We're
thrilled to be joined in their third seat. Every once
(04:50):
in a while, we have a Billy Joel piano man
guest as in I have to ask them, man, what
are you doing here? This is an American science fiction
and fantasy writer, a former civil rights lawyer. His twenty
twenty novella Riot Baby won the Alex Award and the
World Fantasy Award. He's written comics for Marvel, written for
(05:14):
the Call of Duty game. Please welcome the brilliantly talented,
acclaimed Oh toci o, yay bocie. Thank you for having me.
What's going on? What are you doing to not complain?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
You know, It's it's one of those things whenever that
question gets asked where it's like my immediate circle of
like family and friends, like we're eating, we're good, right,
and then everything immediately out of that in flames just
bad out there.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah. Well, hey, I'm sure your love of sci fi
and dystopian futures hasn't fueled your imagination.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
It keeps you pretty good.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
It's like, you know, I'm just waiting for one of
these in dweeds to like name their their world ending
corporation after something in one of my books that was
about a world ending corporation.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Right right, that was obviously the point. Yeah, yeah, I
mean there is this new guy Miles Dyson that has
just entered the administration with he's got some theories of audiation. Yeah,
but he talks like here, but he's like, right, I'm
(06:32):
sure he must right, yeah, you must say Miles Dyson.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
That was always I was like, that's me.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I'm Miles.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
That's a tough one. Man. Is the end of the
world famous sci fi work of our childhood.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
But you know what, he was killing it, man, he
was killing things.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I mean it's like last breath, like last Breath in
Terminator two. I can't great performance.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Oh yeah, that actor, I mean, Joe Morton, absolute fucking legends.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah. Well, Tochi, We're thrilled to have you here. We're
gonna get to know you a little bit better in
a moment. First, we're gonna tell the listeners a couple
of the things we're talking about. We're talking about medicaid
being cut h and just like, what's the endgame here
with all with all this, they cut medicaid. Jd Vance's
explanation was, guys, yeah, okay, so there's gonna be like
(07:29):
a few cuts, a little you know, tinkering here and there,
but it's all gonna be worth it because we're funding
ice to get rid of illegal immigrants, and they're are
the ones who are costing you all the money, so
we're actually saving money. And it turns out we've crunched
the numbers on that and that's a complete bullshit. And
(07:49):
also other people who know how to crunch the numbers
have also crunched the numbers. It's not just us, and
they also think it's bullshit. So we're just gonna what's
this all gonna look like? What's the endgame here? Guys?
What's the future look like? Thank god we have exactly
Thank god we have a sci fi right to tell
(08:11):
you the new agricultural policy. Play the tape forward, see
how that's going. Something that completely divorced from the world
of of science fiction. We have somebody writing about how
he's raising his kids with AI just good parenting, like
he's like hitting all these things that are like, yeah,
that's when parenting gets like hard, and also like when
(08:34):
you push through the difficult part, it's like really fun,
you know, like it's a challenge that AI time.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I don't know why there's poor people's son asked, why
does God allow human suffering?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I mean, you know, you're over your limit of questions
A limited questions he's giving his kids. I'll give them
two three questions at bedtime and then I turn it
over to AI. Anyways, we'll talk about that. This is
in the same periodical that gave us one of our
(09:10):
favorite articles recently. Yeah, my name's Chad, and I what
discrimination is because I'm a white guy named Chad. And
that's difficult somehow because they think I'm like cool.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Every time I pull up, it's really fucked up and oppressive,
Like why can't I just be Chad in the Patagonia vest.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, and they know and they they hear my name
is Chad and they already know I'm wearing a patagon
But before we get to that toci, we do like
to ask our guests, what is something from your search
history that's revealing about who you are.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I recently googled Anna coreno word count, uh huh. That
should basically tell you everything that you'd be to know
about me. Great book, great, like I highly I highly recommend.
I know, like reading's not really in vogue these days,
but fantastic, fantastic, freaking book.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
One of the greats. I've been told and I have
not read that, and I am trying to get back
into reading. So maybe maybe I'm putting that on my list,
assuming the word count is somewhere south of seven hundred
and fifty.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah, it's pretty pretty far south of that, you know,
it's it's hefty though, it's hefty.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's a thick one. What were you doing that? Because
you you feel like that's where you're landing with something
you're working on or.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
What just curiosity, you know, I like to sometimes I
get very like mechanical and obsessive about things like that
related to books, like word counts and stuff like that,
sometimes to not necessarily give myself a target to reach,
but just to you know, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly, it
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doesn't hurt to know.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, So it's we're in the three hundred and fifty
thousand range. Yeah, it looks like, yeah, I'm looking for
three hundred and fifty words. Any any works that you
I have been enjoying because of my shitty attentions, man,
I have been talking on the podcast about enjoying poetry,
(11:24):
poetry fewer words, yeah, some pretty great effect. Oh yeah, yeah,
I just yeah, have you heard anything I've heard? Tell
this mysterious serious art form.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I'm going to look up how many words in the
Jim Lee X Men number one? Yes, that's that's about
where I tap out. Because also the covers were big posters,
so that they were poolside in the back cover. It's
really cool.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
What is something you think is underrated?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Shirley Temple? Temple, that's my go to drink. Absolutely, you
keep grennedin and oh yeah, like that's the first if
I'm in an establishment, that's the first thing I asked,
you have any greedy do.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
You keep in this fine establishing?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
You don't have no grenadine in your Like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Exactly, that's that's uh. You know they're wildly underrated, right.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I have in ordered to Shirley Temple in a long time?
Is it a pretty like what do you hit? What
are you batting about? Like fifty to fifty on dining
establishments with grenadine? Or is it? Do most of them
have it?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Most of them that I've been to have it. Maybe
I've just gotten lucky that you can also be the trick.
But yeah, you get it, and you get the you
get that Merichino cherry, right, that's how you know they're
taking care of you.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Oh yeah, and you do you tie the stem and
not with your tongue because I do that. Are you
able to do it? You can do it? I am
able to do that.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It was that like your fun fact on the dating apps.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I it was kicked off of dating.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Actually put that on my resume.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I'm like, dude, I'm hitting you up for a job,
and like, why are you going to meet your resume
right now?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
You just wanted you to see that team you're about
to join them.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, it's like Microsoft word Microsoft Excel tongue time.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Cherries takes me a while, though, you know, yeah, you know.
I had a cousin showed me that trick and then
what I did. I remember doing this on a date.
I snagged the excell one, I pre tied it and
I put in my mouth and I went like this,
But then I had to go for so long with
the other stem in my mouth because I didn't want
to be like like I was like across from this
person the whole time. Yeah that I just ended up
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like kind of chewing it and just like eating it.
And I was like this is not worth the last
because it was hidden.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah, because I had that ship stage and I said,
oh watch this trick. First of all, my date so
unimpressed that I immediately was like, this was such a
fucking l dude, what are you fucking what have you
gotten yourself into?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I think it was impressive. It's like mainly impressive to
like twelve year old boys. That's when I worked really
hard to get good enough to do it.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
And oh so you put your ten thousand hours.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I put my literally in here. Yeah, but yeah, I
do love a Shirley Temple. And then the Cola equivalent
where you put Roger darth Vader, some not Darth Vader.
Someone called it a darth Vade regional. I think when
I was in in Dayton, Ohio, we call it darth Vaders.
(14:35):
That's kind of we were trying to make them because
we didn't give a fuck about Roy Rogers. I'm not
gonna lie. Let me Shirley Temple for the lady and me. Yeah,
I'll have a Darth Vader.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, actually make that a double vade. Called that a
darth ball, dude, let me get a darth on that.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Darl is the double do dark, three fingers, the fingers granite,
three fingers of Dean and the splash of cola on.
Let me.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, let me get a straight grenade bro.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Ship hold the Dean. I am just I am realizing
also that that is still my freestyle machine order. Is
the coke zero with the cherry sauce?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Oh right, right right, yeah, but that's like a cherry
coke though, versus a stray vader, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, yeah, it is just like they have some bright
red syrup that's going in. Oh yeah, it's definitely not grenadine,
but that ship is like unnatural, like redder than code red. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, it will stain black jeans radioactive.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yeah, you drink enough of that, you're going to turn
into a ninja turtle. That's really well that turns out.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Don't tell forty year old meet that right for god years?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I need that OOZ that could I get that with
the side of ooz? What's that?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Uzzo?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Just a shot of Uzzo tells you what's something he
thinks overrated?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Graphical fidelity in video games? Oh boy, yeah no, we don't.
Oh like if you if you shelled out for a
PS five Pro, there's there's nothing you can talk about.
There's like there I don't you there's I know that
there's nothing you can say to me, that'll be worth
listening to.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Sure, sure, sure, I think unless you were, like you
have to be this close to your TV for you
to be able to perceive that, like as.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Somebody's standing really close to his team, you got to
be for the listeners because it was really worth it.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
It was really worth it for that one blade of
grass that I got to see over in the distance,
this area that's fenced off to me anyway, like get
that get that ship out. Because also too, like video
games now costs like three hundred four hundred million dollars
to develop, They take like ten years. It's you know,
we don't it's unsustainable. It's unsustainable.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Like is there a thriving indie game scene where like
it's just they're like making sixteen bit or what you know,
stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Oh yeah, oh oh yeah, no, it's it's it's vibrant.
It is vibrant. One thousand Resists is really good blueprints.
Shout out to the folks behind blueprints, like, yeah, no
indie scenes thriving, so you know, and granted I'm a
triple A guy, like you know, let's not get it twisted.
But yeah, man, I don't I don't need to see
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every beata sweat like that give me more South of
Midnight that like stop motion type shit like yeah yeah,
video games, yeah yeah, and somebody like I was just
playing SEAFU and I'm like, that shit is so fucking no, man,
you don't need that ship to be ten eighty.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Like it's just amazing, but it going so hard. The
thing with I think people don't realize too, especially with
like the advent of four K TVs becoming so normal,
you have to sit Like there are graphs that show
you the viewing distance for you to perceive the difference
in four K. If you have a seventy inch four
K TV, you need to be sitting closer than five
(18:23):
feet away from the fucking screen to be able to
notice that different. Wow, And so like you have to
like so for all those like to your point, all
those little things are really perceptibles. You're playing on like
fucking iMac screen or something shit from like ten feet away.
But yeah, we're we're just not going to see it
the same way.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
So what what is the console that it like maxed
out as like this is functionally all you need.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I mean, like I got a PS five, But they
are mad people still having a really good time with
a PS four.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, so PS four is enough. Yeah, we can stop
thing on like move upping the fidelity and just be like,
let's make the best games that we.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I mean, I see it right in front of that TV,
like I am. I am the promise that my mother
made about being like sitting too close to the TV.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Like that's me, slippery slope miles. Yeah, you're just gonna
keep going until you're sorry, like culture geist.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah in the TV, get me out of here.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Doing a reverse ring, you know. Yeah, well to it's
been a pleasure getting to know you. We're going to
take a quick break and then we're going to come
right back and we're going to get into some news
that I think I'm excited to hear from from your
sci fi imagination.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Jesus some of the ship. It's written bad sci fi
Jesus Christ. We'll be right back, and we're bad.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
And so we're now in the post Big Beautiful Bill universe,
where we're dealing with the repercussions of a bill that is,
you know, if Trump left office and you know, a
Democrat entered today, I feel like we would be undoing
the damage from this bill. For decades. Yeah, that's not
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saying much because the Democrats are fucking terrible.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
But it would take a long time.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
It's still like even if if somebody, a US politician,
knew how bad this was, it would still take a
lot of time to undo the damage. So we're cutting
a shipload of healthcare benefits, Medicaid, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Is going to hell, but jack, but we get to
ramp up the mass deportations, you know, and that's and that,
and that has the benefit of affecting multiple industries. So
the Republicans have a lot to figure or maybe they
don't have much to figure out, because it seems like
based on all the sound bites that have been coming
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out of Republicans the last few days, as it relates
to like Medicaid, what do people do? What about employment?
It sounds like the plan is kind of like you
will toil in the fields, because a lot of people
are like, well, who will employers exploit for sub subsistence wages?
If America is a white ethno state secretary of whatever?
(21:28):
And here it is, this is this is a little
press conference that Brooke Collins or Brook Rollins, the Agricultural Secretary, gave.
That's pretty telling in terms of like how she sees
this lack of Medicaid benefits and also how mass deportations
are affecting just labor in general, how they all kind
of work together and it's gonna be pretty here. Here
(21:51):
it is, but I.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Can't underscore enough. There will be no amnesty. The mass
deportations continue, but in a strategic way, and we move
the workforce towards automation and American participation, which again, with
thirty four million people able bodied adults on Medicaid, we
should be able to do that fairly quickly.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Thank you. Sorry, what was she saying there? Thirty four
million able body body people on Medicaid? Were we kick
them off? Essentially?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
She said, we can get up. So if there are
the people that have been deported, yeah, means and look
we got we got like thirty four million people that
are on Medicaid. Yeah, maybe maybe they can work for
their benefits.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
They're coming from.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Why is this coming from the Agriculture secretary?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Because this is a thing where people were talking about
like this is affecting agriculture and massive right, because I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Even Trump was like I'm talking to some of my
favorite people in the hotel industry and agriculture, and they're saying,
these are the good ones, these are the ones that will.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Work for sub subsistence wages. That's that's unfortunately that where
so whose labor will you exploit? It's like again again,
this is all built on exploited labor. You if you're
saying even the people who migrate here are the immigrants
of this country, who then whose labor exploit for again
sub subsistence wages? You're going to offset that by the
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people who are now desperate because they are lost they've
lost their healthcare. And also the idea that every person
is like that's on Medicare is our medicaid is a
person who's able to do the physically strenuous work of
working in a field.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
That's the plan. I mean, the people assume they're all
lying about what they're able to do, and then take
them to make them because it's a lot of fraud, waste,
a lot of fraud. Oh yeah, there's a lot of
these guys in their thirties in their grandma's basement.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Sorry, I mean people born in the nineteen thirties that
are just fucking us around right now. They're full of shit.
I mean because right now, right we're driving people out
of cities with costs of the cost of living becoming
so high, so then they can realize that the American
dream is in the fields or something. I mean again,
this is like the like the dark version is like,
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is this the long term plan for like labor camps
where people who don't adopt the MAGA mindset go to
be contained because you're like, well, you know there's a
place where people, you know, able bodied people can be used.
Since we've pretty much scared the shit out of any
other person who'd want to come into this country. It's
just a very very odd thing, especially when you consider
(24:30):
that the unemployment rate is at four percent right now.
Granted that doesn't mean people are making a living wage,
but do these people seriously think Americans have the will
to do that kind of labor because every time we've
seen this example, with immigration crackdowns all these you are like,
I can't get a single person like to do the
(24:51):
work that people who immigrate to this country do. And
I think that's just like they're completely ignoring I mean,
that's would I would count on Republicans to come. We
ignore the fact that this country has been and always
will be like built on the back of exploited labor,
whether that's like chattel slavery or you know whatever version
we're in right now with sub subsistence wages for people
(25:12):
who like work in agriculture and beyond.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah, I mean, you know what it reminds me. It
reminds me of back when the conversation about terroriffs was around,
like reshoring, manufacturing and all that jazz, and so you know,
there would be these polls that would go out being like, yeah, no,
all these Americans support brand factories back to the US,
and then they would ask, Okay, how many of you
actually want to work in one of those factories, and
(25:38):
the percentage would absolutely plummet.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Right because they don't want to do those jobs.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Like I don't know what they think those jobs consist of,
Like they don't want they don't actually want to do
that work. They don't want to be on the factory floor.
And also, this is what's good, they're really infuriating. There's
this is also Missouri Senator Eric Schmidt. He's also giving
his version about how like technology and the tech sector
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plus the collapse of society will lead to people working
in meat processing plants. Again, very weird take, but very
similar to what the AG secretary said it.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
At the beginning of the twentieth century, working in meat
processing plants has been the dream for many Americans. That's
why there's that aspirational novel The Jungle.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
And also that great Guns n' Roses song about the
same thing. Yeah, welcome to the jungle. Yeah, yeah, we've
got I mean, that's where we don't want to.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Be in time. You're in the jungle, baby.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Like, yes, please, I'm dying in a meat processing facility.
This is Schmidt going on with his version and very
tortured logic about how jobs are gone and the immigrants
are taking them, but now you can have theirs, right.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
The answer here is technology and American workers. The American
worker is we've talked about on the show before. Maria
has had the double whammy of terrible globalist policies.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
They're shift, they're just so we're seeing the chief labor.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
And say China, slave labor in China, and then the
importation of chief labor here at home. And so that's
why you have a lot of people who struggled to
find work. They've been sort of priced out of the market.
With illegal uh and and low aged workers. And the
answer here is opening those opportunities up for American workers.
You just saw a food processing plant open up that.
You know, you had some folks who were arrested and
(27:24):
sent away, and then.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
You have that is so euphemistic.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah, so I had some fun.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
We've already had the Supreme Court. Okay, the disappearing of
people to a third country. Okay, like what okay, anyway,
they're just you know, these folks just sent away.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Somewhere, some people who are given a free, no charge,
spontaneous vacation, and it was.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
It's a time share that they can't get out of.
But here we go. This is a thing. He goes
on to sell this idea.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
Open up that you know, you had some folks who
were arrested and sent away, and then you have American
workers actually sign up and do those jobs. It's a
myth that Americans don't want to work hard and don't
want to do these jobs. Of course they will. But
automation technology advancement innovation is also going to be key
for agriculture section sector.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Okay, I don't even know that was such a word.
Salad buffet at the end, but my god, like the
things like, well, also the immigrants are taking the food
processing jobs which Americans are getting priced out of. No,
You've like this country's been built to like make people
docile with like hyper consumption, and part of that is
exploiting the labor of these people. And you think you
(28:35):
can just flip the fucking switch somehow to like the
beginning of the locomotive and you were like, Oh, I'm
getting in on this shit, ma, I'll be back, Like.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
What are they talking about?
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Well, it's like it's also like he's he wants his
cake and he wants to eat his cake and have
it too. He's saying, oh, like we're giving these jobs
to Americans, but also automation. So which is it, right?
Is Pucci Wally or is it one mic?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Like is it going to be American is or is
it going to be machines.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I knew someone would quote the great poet Sean Carter
show that's what we needed.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
It reminds me of those videos that were going viral
in China was showing Americans like working in the working
in the factories and they were like all obese and
like clearly not built for it. I'm just wondering, like,
why why is China so skeptical of this? Do they
have some experience with a great movement where they try
to people, force people to do work that they weren't
(29:32):
naturally doing on their own, and then find I believe
it was called a great Leap Forward, and I was giving, mao,
it's giving, it's giving pig iron, it's giving leap forward.
I just took the name of that at face value,
(29:54):
great Leap Forward, and assumed we're talking. I'm in my
mind palace on picture Michael Jordan jumping from the pre
throw line, uh, picturing Michael Pale breaking the long distance
the lung jump record. So yeah, I'm assuming that's what
we have to look forward to. I'm not gonna do
research beyond that. Maybe AI can do it for me,
but not right now.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Again, Also just politicians revealing at every moment how out
of touch they are with fucking reality. Like this person,
even if who knows he probably maybe he does believe it,
or maybe he's so used to saying lobbyist, you know,
authored bullshit out loud that he doesn't even know what
he says anymore. But the idea is like yeah, and
there's an American person who used to have a skilled
(30:39):
job at a factory who's you know, whose company decided
to outsource that labor to like another country. He's dying
to process like pigs and and do all that kind
of thing.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Like I see those people, But why are none of
those people there? Why are none of them lining up?
Why why is it none and not even?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
And yeah, and this isn't to like take a shot
at the jobs that these people do, but the like,
what what the momentum has been of American society has
been this idea of that you you can work all
of these jobs to have upward mobility. And now that
that's you know, just an absolute mirage. Now I think
they're just now just saying like, well, I guess the
(31:20):
only thing is now you will now fully just be
coerced into taking whatever job there is, because that's yea,
we're we're fucking pulling up the ladders now, and I'll
hope you're in.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
The jobs that actually have been Like when people look
at the how you know, the world that actually exists,
not the one, not the sci fi world that's being
written by Republicans, Like the jobs that have actually contributed
to the most upward mobility are like nursing and healthcare work,
and those are going away thanks to this because they're
(31:51):
going to put so many fucking hospitals out of business.
The health I'm just like trying to wrap my head around,
like what this looks like in ten years like it
or just like five years like what people they they're
effectively like kicking millions of people off of like off
of their health insurance. They're not gonna have health insurance.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
And I just don't get the rationale for like trying
to kill your own voters.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
It's so that's the I do feel like everything they've
done since they were in office was like we made
it past the finish line of democracy, and now voting
is no longer a consideration, like we don't need anybody
to vote for it. Like he said that in the election,
and we were like, that feels like an authoritarian thing
(32:40):
to say. But then he has completely governed from that perspective.
Mm hm, like no no awareness of like what is
good for the people who voted for him.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I mean, it's probably just going to be what like
an extension of what we're seeing now right is like
how I don't know how you what your process would
be as an author of science fiction. But if you're
like from right now, right, the people who cannot afford
to live in this society are have to turn to
other like you know, their financial recourse is very limited,
so sometimes it's extra legal things. You criminalize poverty, So
(33:12):
now you have a group of people to keep in prisons.
Now you're criminalizing people who have immigrated to this country
and you can disappear them or put them in prisons.
They're now doing investigations into people like James Comy or
people who have said truths about Donald Trump. You can
put them into prisons. And I think that circle just
gets wider because then the oligarchs can continue to profit
(33:32):
and be like automations doing everything, and then the algorithms
can spot them evil doers and we'll just toss them
into our private prisons that we also profit from. And
like truly no, like it just feels like, yeah, if
that's where shit goes, that's where shit goes. Either way,
I'll be a fucking Santro.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Pay well, they'll do low cost labor, they'll do real
low cost labor once they work for our private prison
industrial complex.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, tot you what do you looking at that is,
how how do you envision where we go from here?
Not to say please see the future, but like what's
your process is getting please?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah, no, exactly, No, I mean, you know, going off
of your your point of the widening net for imprisonment.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I mean it goes back to.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Like I think a lot about immediately after the Civil War,
when the South couldn't do like actual slavery, so they
just started doing black codes and locking people up for
you know, random vagrancy laws that they would make up,
you know, sort of ad hoc, and then they would
lease those people out to plantations and to farms and
(34:40):
whatnot and like basically have them as you know, it's
almost a misnomer to call them hired labor because like
they weren't paid, and like a part of their condition
of their imprisonment was doing field work, was doing this
manual labor. And I think there's a version of this where,
you know, the the workers that are populating these meat
(35:00):
processing plants and these factory floors are people serving jail sentences,
are people serving prison sentences, Like that being a thing
because like you're you know, in the event that you
run into a labor shortage of like willing workers that'll
that'll you know, jump into these jobs or what have you.
You have a whole coercive element in your carcerl system
(35:23):
to like draw from. I mean, it's like with when
I when I found out that like so many of
the firefighters in California were like prisoners that were hired.
And also these are the same people that once they
get out of prison, they can't actually get like a
license or certification to become an actual firefighter and get
(35:47):
actual firefighter firefighter wages back the exactly. So I you know,
I think there's a version of I think there's a
version of all of this where like that kind of
plays out.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
But yeah, no, it's it's it's because.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Also too, you're dealing with a u It sounds almost
euphemistic to call it this, but this like fertility crisis
where like you know, they're they're just not going to
be enough people, right, So yeah, no, it's I think
drawing from populations that you can coerce into the type
of labor that you want or need them to do
(36:25):
is probably going to be a strategy that I see
these people picking up in the future if they're still
like sticking around in the future if they haven't just
like fucked off to Santrope or.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Something island by then right, yeah, they'll still be making
money off of well, like even with the farm thing, right,
you'd say, oh, well, how are you going to make
it more attractive?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
They're suddenly going to raise their wages, you know what
I mean. That's where it's like, that's where you fucking
hit the wall. You're like, they're not so the next
option is will fucking create some people that are desperate
enough to take these wages that are on offer. And
it's just also too the total ignoring of the hiring
practices of these employers is also such a fucking chef's
(37:10):
kiss of like just putting blinders on, Like how dare
these people come in and work these jobs?
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Motherfucker signing their checks.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
There is no job without the person hiring them without
exploiting their labor. But again, they can't get in that's
another third rail thing. It's like, well, we can't get
into the exploitation of labor. That's we just have to
treat that as like a nebulous thing. We just ignore
throughout all of this vilification that we see.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Parable This Sewer is a sci fi work that a
lot of people point to as being like very prophetic
about like what's happening right now. And one of the
things that she writes about in that is like company towns,
where people like just go to live because they have
like protection from like the apocalypse that's happening around them. Right,
(37:57):
But it does make sense that like the basically forced
company towns is like what we're talking about with the
private industrial complex. And yeah, I just that's it's so
fucking grim. Well I think to that point too. Right.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
You also had other people from like Trump's labor and
like economic cabinets say things that like, well, a great
way to get healthcare is to get a job. Yeah,
you know, And that's that's sort of like the step
one to this idea of like your salvation will come
through you toiling for corporation, for you giving your labor
(38:34):
over to this thing in exchange for what used to
be thought of as like a human Right. Yeah, it
now means the terms of conditions now apply based on
your ability to toil.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
I will say that one place that they are showing
that they're interested in voters is that I feel like
they're kicking people off of healthcare who don't have children
more than people who do, which I think is a
recognition that like, well, nobody's gonna be at med if
people without children are dying or losing healthcare when they
get older, like real eleanor Rigby shit right, just like well.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
I mean, I think another trick they're trying to pull
is there. You know, the tax cuts kick in immediately,
the Medicaid and entitlement cuts won't kick in for the
most part until after twenty until after the twenty twenty
sixth election.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, the midterms.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Yeah, yeah, So like that, I mean, I think people
are still gonna know, They're still gonna know.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yeah, I mean, it's like.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
It's there are rural hospitals that have already begun to
shut down because they're already on a knife's edge and
not even to do this bill. It's like, nope, they
are closing. So that is a reality for some people.
But again, the ability to connect those dots, because we
are the most propagandized population on the planet.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
North Korea could never, oh never, the performances.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Have you seen the performances of the cabinet officials taking notes?
They're gonna be like in that Fascist Actors studio, like
Max and James lift and like what's your favorite way
to actually you know, ask kiss.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
You get into character good just like their process, like
what they do. That would be so good to just
if we could get just a fly on the wall
view of like what their ritual is every morning as
they just they're just like how do I how do
I just purge myself of all humanity.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
In the mirror and they're doing their morning makeup routine
and just like, okay, how do I smear the evil
on my head? And I need to just like block
the maliciousness on my cheeks with a little bit of
rouge and then.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Great idea, sir, Great idea, sir, Great idea, sir, Great idea, sir.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Fantastic opinion. That's that's the kind of clarity that always
impresses me about your leadership, sir.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Maybe maybe it's like three hours in the morning looking
in the mirror straight just going this isn't you, This
isn't you, this isn't you, until tears are just streaming
down your face and like.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yeah, okay, I'm ready three hour cry to just get
all the tears out, not even that they're not even
that they're.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
I don't even know why they're saying that, because I
don't think they're that in touch with their own humanity.
But it's some kind of thing where they try and
like purge whatever weird void in their soul that opened
up from their childhood or adulthood. They're just like fill
it with concrete.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
So you wake up at three in the morning, like
the manisphere tells you too. Yeah, so, and also so
that you are so exhausted that you don't have the
ability to push back exactly. So you wake up at
three am and you just pray, pray for like three hours,
but you pray with loud music on, so you can't
hear any anything that's coming back. Yeah, you just listen
(41:48):
to Slipknot. Yeah, living on a lot of face dunking
in ice water Saratoga Springs.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
And then and then I do a full sprint through
an empty parking.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Lot with just big smile glazed on your face, tears streaming. Sure. Yeah,
all right, let's take a quick break. Well, we'll be back.
We'll figure out one of these stories to talk about it,
maybe less depressing. We'll see. We'll be right back and
(42:27):
we're back. We're back, and Business Insider out here again
doing the journalism that we deserve.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
See but the people thought I was waiting for the
new Clips album to drop. No, I was waiting for
the new Business Insider profile of some out of touch
asshole talking out loud to drop. And we've got it
maybe this one. Let me read the title, is I
work in AI and now I use it for parenting
my five kids? Shielding them from it would be a mistake.
(42:58):
Oh boy, this sounds good. So yeah, it's about this
guy who works in AI specifically has a company called
like AI CEO or something. He basically evangelizes the use
of AI and the adoption of AI and scares the
fuck out of I think small business owners to be like,
because you know what's gonna happen that if you're not
doing this, the people that are, they're gonna be making
(43:20):
more money because they're gonna fucking fire human laborers.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Before you, And then you're stock who.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Knows, Like that's like his whole pitch basically, so that it's.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Not just small business owners.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
You're publicly traded.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Oh boy, they want to adopt We're in the era
of savings right now. You know, trying to make it. Yeah,
that is such a great it's actually tochi it's efficiency.
Actually not upstairs. Don't call it class war. It's innovation.
(43:57):
It's innovation.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
It's restructuring ructuring wealth.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, is how we're restructuring it to move up and
to defy gravity. Anyway, So this is this is how
the piece starts. He basically talks about how it's like,
I'm just I'm going to be a better parent because
I use AI and I'm going to make my kids smarter.
Quote as a dad of five kids ranging in age
from five to fifteen, I use.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
AI throughout the day.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
It's my profession, but it's also a powerful tool for
parenting and not only makes me my life easier in
some ways, it also helps my kids prepare for the
world they're entering. And he goes on and talk about
how AI. He's like, it's not going to take your job,
but a person who's using AI will That's how he's
like kind of lightly dialing that fear mongering back of things.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
As a guy who likes to bust and works an AI.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, yeah, they're getting a top notch education from what
it sounds like too, because they go to well here,
let me read this paragraph. I homeschool all five of
my kids. I try to follow the ancient Greek model
of education, where.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
You learn you do always good, never never misapplied, the
lessons of rum, never miss applied.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
I feel, oh yeah, I like the Socratic method where
I don't know shit. I just asked my kid a
bunch of times if they know, and I believe that's how.
I think that's a Socratic method. Anyway, he said, my
kids learn a skill and practice it, then they demonstrate
their knowledge by teaching it to their siblings. Okay, if
the little kids get stuck on a problem, they ask
the older kids for help. But if the older kids
can't help, they turn to AI. All of the kids
(45:31):
have AI on their phones and tablets, and it acts
as their tutor. This is the most This is most powerful.
When the kids get very frustrated with a problem, the
type of problem that makes them want to throw their
hands up and say.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
No one can figure this out.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
In that moment, AI can guide them through solving the problem,
showing them that it can be done. No one can
figure this out. And I think you talk to Andy
and delay mommy AI AI. Oh oh I don't know
about this. He I mean, he like uses this like
example of like how do I do a thing to
(46:04):
show like he also said like we kind of fixed
our air conditioning unit and it was a family event. Okay,
I I don't know. I'm going back to my childhood
with my black father my Japanese immigrant mother. If I
said I can't how I knowing can figure this out,
they'd be like, you need to learn how to read
a fucking book. Yeah, Like go to the encyclopedia, go
(46:27):
to the library. You look on the internet, like and
at least I had that it or actually rather like
just check out the AI.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yeah. Well, also like which of these what where find
the pardon here? Where he describes AI in a way
that doesn't apply to Google before it was broken by AI,
you know, like when just like knowing how to use
Google and having access to maybe like some scholarly journals.
(46:54):
I learned how to.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Make a New Jersey fake driver's license on three a
Google Yah, and I knew I had to find a
fucking PDF like frame, like a fucking vector file that
I could throw my picture.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
I learned about all that shit from searching the internet. Yeah,
and like also too. You know, another benefit of raising
your kids by actually interacting with them and like telling
them things and sending them off to do things like
you know how stuff and whatnot, is that there's at least,
(47:29):
depending on the context, a lot less of a risk
of raising like five raging anti semites, right, yeah, which
it's like almost stand yeah, Like, you know, there's also
that benefit to interacting with your because like I like
one thing, and I don't think. I don't think America,
(47:53):
or at least American society has fully reckoned with how
the pandemic like fucked with us socially and how it
just completely you know, not just for younger generations, but
also for older generations, just reconfigured how we interact with
each other, and how difficult it has become for people
(48:15):
to like really interact with each other where you know,
people these Like I was talking with high school teacher
the other day, like over the weekend. He was talking
about how it was actually easier to teach his students
or for his students to interact with him through their
phones as opposed to just face to face like conversation
(48:38):
and stuff like that. And so the thing about living
in the world is that you're actually in the world,
like you're physically like in the world around other people
and all of these things. So growing up, living a
life is not just about the accumulation of knowledge or whatever.
Like you can read as many Wikipedia pages as you want,
Like that's not going to make you actually smarter person.
(49:02):
You actually you have to actually learn how to talk
to people.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Yeah, the piece goes on, it's fucking wild again. This
motherfucker is just doesn't want to be a dad. I
think it's what they should have called this piece. Like
many kids mine love to ask a million questions at bedtime,
like Dad, why are you drinking, where are you going,
where are you leaving?
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Why don't you talk to yea? Yeah, does mom ever
come up with this? No?
Speaker 2 (49:29):
But the photo of the family, it almost looks like
the mother could be AI.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
Yeah. I generated like I was like, hmmm, oh yeah,
they're all smiling and the mom is giving Victoria Beckham Yeah,
but like great, like posh spice face.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
But like she's got something filtered anyway.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
So he goes on, I hate when my fucking kids
are like, why don't you love me? He says, quote,
I'll answer the first three to four but why questions?
Then I handed over to AI. The computer system has
relentless energy to answer questions from even the most persistent kid,
and my children usually get tired. You get usually get
tired out after a few minutes. I do the same
(50:08):
thing when the kids are arguing. Sometimes I'll ask AI
for a second opinion. It leads to what about your partner?
Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yeah? Right, where are they? Where is that hold on?
Speaker 2 (50:18):
So so your partner's a third No, honey, I ask
chat GPT hold on?
Speaker 5 (50:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (50:26):
Yeah, you know what this reminds me of. I think
it also might have been Business Insider. There was this
story that came out a while back, maybe like a
like several months back, about this dude who he was
evangelizing this like AI platform that could create office assistance
for him, so you could make yourself your own CEO
and have a whole team doing stuff for you, And
(50:50):
then he ended up sexually harassing one of his AI
generated assistants and writing a story about.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
He was like, this is one of the services that
it provides. Yes, it's you can sexually harass it essentially
without being without farming somebody.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
The headline was like, I think I made an HR
booboo or something like that.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
Yes, he's like, yeah, I made an hr bubu when
I made this AI system dumb thing, yo dog shout.
I shouldn't know when I was doing the creative player mode,
should I shouldn't have sent the yeks to that you'd seen.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
Her, I mean she was dragging a wagon. Man like
you wouldn't like what is this batman?
Speaker 3 (51:38):
Could not have beaten that confession out of me?
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Right, Yeah, And he's like, oh, this is an interesting
wrinkle that I can talk to people about. But I
mean kind of smart marketing because every CEO who they're
trying to pitch to has had problems accidentally jacking off
on a zoom call con tubing on the internet. So
(52:07):
you know what, what what if there was a personal
assistant that you could sexually harass to your heart's content.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
This is like when like people like sex offenders are like, well,
this is why, like I need this like child robot, cause,
like Ben, I don't do stuff in real in the
real world. You're like, hold on, that's not the issue
is that you need this robot fu. You need to
fucking do some soul searching. There's another line in this
that just just shakes me to my core because again,
(52:35):
we're all we've all been kids who ask our parents
questions like why remember one of the first things, Uh, anyway,
this said in our house? Have you asked AI for assistance?
Is a common refrain. That's how terrible that's your relationship
to your children is like did you why are you
bothering me with this mess? Did you ask your cell phone?
Speaker 1 (52:54):
And then they're mimicking that behavior when.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
You know what I'm saying, like like this is big. Yeah,
everything downstream of this is so fucking terrible. But this
guy's like, I'm just he's again rationalized this as if
he's doing them a favor, when in fact he's so
selfish and just so myopic in his view of like
what AI is that he's like, oh, this and this,
I'm just preparing them for a cold world where their
(53:19):
dads will ignore them and be.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Like, why are you fucking asking me?
Speaker 3 (53:21):
Shit, it's going to be wild when the AI bubble
bursts and all the money goes to some other you know,
fat or Internet fat or whatever, and all these people
are left with these fucking dysfunctional relationships with these kids
that don't know how to talk to them anymore because
they've been telling them to consult their phones their entire lives.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Yeah, it's my God has like my favorite movie. That
have to be the first twenty minutes of Multiplicity. I
didn't didn't see any of the part where there's consequences
to him creating a bunch of different versions of himself.
And except for that.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Later ones kind of get wonky. We're the one that
just says tough over and over.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Didn't watch that. I just I like the idea, let's
let's keep it moving. Yeah, it's it totally right like that.
I have a seven year old and a nine year
old and I there they ask a lot of questions,
and their questions like make me see things new, like
(54:24):
with fresh eyes, and I'm like, that is a thing
that I had forgotten was really interesting and now you're like,
and I get curious with them, and just the idea
that he's like and once I throw once I kick
it over to AI, they they tuck her out real quick.
That might mean that like the AI is doing a
(54:44):
bad job. He's like, and the AI is great because
it extinguishes their curiosity real quick.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
And just the way we learn right, Like, yeah, there's
so many college students that they've interviewed, who you've used
AI to get through college, And well, I.
Speaker 7 (55:00):
Don't remember a single fucking thing because all my task
was merely just figuring out the prompt to then copy
and paste or slightly punch up for an assignment. I
didn't retain the information because my relationship to the information
is completely different. And like, I'm just thinking of like,
as as a kid, I had all these like kids
almanac books that were just filled with fucking dumb facts
(55:22):
this shit and like weird, like it had everything from
like what all the chevrons meant on like an army
person's uniform, where like you know how a tornado comes together.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
And I would pore over.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
These books because I was like this is fucking cool
to me, and it was like pick it was like
made for kids or whatever. Yeah, but I'm just thinking
of like that process for me, I internalized or I
remembered so much of it because it felt like I
could find something, I could connect the dots within these
like set of books that I had. Yea, And when
you just reduce it down to just being like, well,
(55:54):
did you ask the magic question to the thing and
what was the answer gave you. Okay, well then that's
reality is like just such a fucking weird way to
you know, accumulate these like life experiences that end up
making you a podcaster.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
You know.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
Well it's this like optimize everything in your life mindset,
right where everything is all about instrumentality, and like how
can I get to the next stage, get to the
next stage, get to the next stage where I will
be infinitely rich? Right, But like sometimes you know, the
way through life is to learn that the mitochondria is
the powerhouse of the cell.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
Right right, and like enjoy that and sit in the
curiosity around that and not just always kick things forward
to you know, some pyramid scheme of like knowledge and
earning capacity where like where, and then I'm going to
turn that into an ability to optimize for this so
that I can get richer and so my kids can
(56:51):
get richer. And now I've got a powerhouse of capitalism
working at home instead of being like, I don't know, man,
maybe like enjoy spending time with your kids and like
learn stuff from them.
Speaker 3 (57:02):
Right, it's wild to automate parenthood.
Speaker 1 (57:05):
Yeah, just completely cut out of that.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
Yeah, but I think that's just an escalation for I think,
and it's also a reflection on how like exhausted people are,
working parents can be. And I can totally see how
intoxicating that the idea of being like I don't know,
I fucking he do it, because I remember when people
had Alexas in their home. Everyone's like, dude, it's great,
we asked the Alexa stuff. But it was even then
(57:28):
it was a thing that a parent would do with
a kid, like I don't know, ask the fucking cone
in the kitchen, right, Like that's just a fucking weird
interaction to have. And I think, yeah, Like I think
you bring this up Jack all the time about how
evolutionarily speaking, like we've just in the last thirty years,
we've just entered this space that's like accelerated at such
(57:49):
a pace that the previous new millennia that have preceded it,
like it just dwarfs in comparison, and we're suddenly like
our hunter gatherer brain is like the can ask the
cane if what's gravity? Like it's just yeah, it's so.
Speaker 1 (58:05):
And like this adds a layer on top where it's
like I'm my dad is like subtly mad at me
if I don't ask the cone right, It's like frank Man,
h Like, so that sends me in a direction where
like my instinct is to just like avoid emotionally connecting
with the person and instead just optimize my ability to
(58:29):
use AI to find the information.
Speaker 3 (58:32):
It's like, oh, man, the way to get dad to
like me is to ask the phone things.
Speaker 2 (58:38):
Yeah, right, which is wild. This would be fucked up.
Speaker 1 (58:42):
We're talking about this in an in an ideal world
where AI like actually works, and like, right, toci as
you brought up the first place, like we just have.
We just had like the person who is like the
icon of like tech smart guy and Elon Musk release
an AI chatbot on his company that he spent forty
(59:03):
four billion dollars on that immediately just went to Mecca
Hitler on on the world like that. That is where
we're at with this, And this guy is like, yeah,
so I mean it's a perfect solution. Yeah, I'd let
that around my kids.
Speaker 2 (59:20):
Yeah what.
Speaker 1 (59:23):
Jesus Well, Tochi, it's been such a pleasure having to
on the daily Zeitgeist. People find you, follow you, read
you all that good stuff.
Speaker 3 (59:33):
Y'all can find me on Blue Sky at Tochi true story,
y'all can find me on the gram at Trey sixty four,
that is t R e i z E sixty four.
I also am a substack degenerate. You can find me
at toch dot substack dot com, my website Tochyo YbI
dot com. And I have two books out this year.
(59:56):
The first Harmiton Season is a fantasy noir that dropped
May available everywhere books are sold. And I have an
upcoming essay collection, Race Book, a Personal History of the Internet,
out on October twenty first, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Amazing. Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying?
Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
Oh my goodness, So I'm about to So this might
be cheating a little bit, but I know I'm going
to enjoy it because I enjoyed the first part of
it so much. I'm about to jump into and Or
season two late. But like I am, super super super high,
Like I just Tony Gilroy is the goat. I've loved
him ever since. Michael Clayton. Shout out to Michael Clayton,
(01:00:39):
I yeah, no, I can't wait. I cannot wait.
Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
We referenced Michael Clayton a lot on this podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Great Assassination See the assassination scene in and Or they
just have that scenes like wait, this is the Michael
Clayton assassination scene. Clothes, get the socks off, get the socks.
Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Off, get the site for the watch back. Yeah, we
literally referenced it on yesterday's episode. So you literally made
a reference yesterday. So chilling.
Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
It's so fucking clinical, it really is.
Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
It. Also, I feel like we all suspect that's happening
behind the scenes, right, like corporate corporations being like this guy,
we have one thing standing in the way of our
shareholders getting millions and millions of dollars rich or like
something needs to be done.
Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Yeah, you know, well, because it's also that kind of
thing like me as like an action movie brained like
weed smoking college and like, yeah, dude, exactly, Bro. They're
gonna come in so fucking quick, dude, and you're not
gonna fucking know, bro, And they make it look like
an accent.
Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
That's how it all happens. Du that's right, y Yeah, yeah,
all right, well, Yeah, I've also heard great things about
and Orra. I need to seen the.
Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
First season, yes, and loved it. Some of the best
TV idea ever seen. And yeah, and I've seen a
lot of.
Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Teams Jack, watch it with your kids.
Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
They like Star Wars, you better get.
Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Them in on that revolutionary I feel like I feel
like there might be too much death. I tried. I
tried Jurassic Park with them, on the recommendation of a
parent who had talked it over with Chat GPT. Oh no,
I think we're ready for for Jurassic Park. They made
it like one minute in and we're like, did that
(01:02:24):
guy just die? No?
Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
No, no, he was just dancing.
Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
That's why he got up off the ground like that.
Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Yeah, catch up baby, Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
My nine year old literally reprimanded me. He was like,
why would you think this is okay? I blame chat GPT,
you waste man. But yeah, as soon as they're old enough,
we're gonna we're gonna play.
Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Just read them a story about like Tucson Lovature or
something like that. Yeah, get them like this is why,
this is why he is still going to still suffering
for a minute. Thes give them at least some flavor
of vam foord.
Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Yeah, yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
If you don't have your kids calling you comrade by
like age five, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Know what you fucked up.
Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Yeah, I'm fucking up miles Where can people find you
as their working media you've been enjoying?
Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Yeah, you find me everywhere at miles of gray, including well,
I say, PlayStation network. But I got that repetition injury, okay,
because the Division.
Speaker 7 (01:03:21):
Two expansion for a game I've been playing for seven
years came out and I have to stop and.
Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Shout out to somebody on Blue Sky who are I
think Baby's Instagram who said they were also feeling the
repetition injury because you had a sewing injury. Exactly why
sewing injury? Damn the repetition of doing? Why Why do
the things we love not give us mutant strength in
that one very specific way that.
Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Just gets stronger and faster with the needle exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Watched the ship on fucking no Look exactly. That's how
I know there is no God. Now let's see a
couple posts I like. The first one is from at
Matt Zohler sites dot Besky dot social uh, and it's
a photo of like a like a parking Kioska display.
It says please pay displayed him out five USD. Change
is possible, and they put I appreciate the optimism of
(01:04:05):
this parching validation change is possible. And also, doctor Eric
Farmer posted on Blue Sky. If the DOJ really has
nothing on Epstein, why was he in prison? And why
was Gallayne Maxwell convicted and sentenced more harshly than some
murderers and insurrectionists.
Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
It is so weird, I don't. I mean, I'm sure
there's a logical explanation for all.
Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
I mean, there's a client list, but who's Prince Andrew?
What is that? What is that? Just like a okay,
does ops list? Is that?
Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
What it is that?
Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Yeah? Okay, fine, whatever, whatever you're saying, whatever you say.
Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Work a media. I've been enjoying. Ben Collins just tweeted
from the Onion. He's the head of the Onion it
only Tuesday yesterday, which one of my favorite Onion headlines
that after running a thousand errands working hours of overtime,
being stuck in seemingly endless gridlock, traffic, muting too and
from their jobs, millions of Americans were disheartened to learn
(01:05:03):
that it was in fact only Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Yeah. Good.
Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
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You can find us on Twitter and blue Sky at
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about in today's episode. We also link off to a
song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, is there
a song that you think that people might enjoy?
Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Yeah, Bro, there's some UK garage in it. This is
keeping you close by Halogenix, but the Tesco remix c
E Sco. This shit's a fuck. It's just it's minimal.
But the fucking basinth is nice. This is the kind
of stuff you want to play. This is the time
I wish I had real sound system in my dad car,
(01:06:02):
but man, this is Look. If someone's got a spare
fifteen at subwoofer that could put in my trunk, let
me know. I'll come pick it up.
Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
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Man, like, what why do we have you?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
You're such an esteemed guest man?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
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good time.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Oh man, we love that, we love that, we love that,
we love that. Awesome.
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Well, we're thrilled to have you. Thanks for doing that.
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
That's help.
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Put me onto you all, okay, fresh air.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yeah, you're just that man. You don't got so you
have to.
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You have to convince us before we start recording you're
worthy of having you on. I believe in you.
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What weird?
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What weird energy to bring?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Boy hosts?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
You don't even care? Man yourself?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Okay, you mean it.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
It's like act three of a Mighty Duck movie, right
right right, that's where we start. Gott it. We started
act three.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
He just has to learn how to stop on skates
and he'll put it all together because this guy is
all go.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
No breaks. Come on, it's knuckle punk time. Hello the Internet,
and welcome to season three ninety six, Episode four of
Daily Zai Guys. This is a production by Heart Radio.
It's a podcast where we take a deep dave into
America's share consciousness and it is Thursday, July tenth, twenty
(01:33):
twenty five. Get your get your slurpy drinking straws. Already
you already know what day it is. It's July tenth,
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
If you're checking in, It's Chronic Disease Day, National Peni
Colata Day, National Kitten Day, and National.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Clara Hugh Day.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Who's Edmund Clara Hugh Bentley.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I don't know. I don't miles. I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
It celebrates up not oh, this sounds like white people. Haikup.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It's like what there?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
It's as what I said. On July tenth. Each year,
National Claire Hue Day in the United States celebrates a
poem style created by Edmund Claire Hugh Bettley. His four
line biographical poem offers a brief the whimsical approach to poetry.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Okay, it's like one syllable off from the high coup
and he's like'vent to that shit? This is so bad?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Okay? Is these are your five Claire? You must have
four lines rhyming couplets of AA, B B, a person's
name in the first line, something said about that person,
and humor. Because Claire Hugh poems are meant to be
a funny poem.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Claire Hugh was my favorite humorist, my favorite Canadian who,
my favorite comedian.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
William He had a magneto tattoo on his back.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Hey, okay, his favorite show. Wait now, I'm fucked up,
worked on this trying something and I feel like that
was more limericks.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I would fuck it, I think, is how I would
end it? Is that how I end?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah? Yeah? The ones of magneto tattoo. You didn't say
where it is on my back tramp stamp of Jason. Uh,
my name's Jack O'Brien aka can it be that it
was all so dimples? Then? That one courtesy of archcam
Cam on the discord in reference to uh, my first
(03:20):
nickname from my aunts. After my cousins would say Jackie,
you're steal into Joels. My aunts would come up and
pinch my cheeks and call me dimples. So that's a
little bit about myself when you put that in your
fucking couplet, May cl Clara Hugh, Pat Donahue, Pat Donahue
take down shit. I'm thrilled to be joined as always
(03:41):
by my co host mister Miles Grass Miles Gray.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Kay BBS seems going good. Oh seems like a sudden stinct.
Oh maybe this fat was already old when I get
it injectoed.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Maybe it drowned.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Fuck is that mold?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
What if it? Please?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Holy hell no, he's not me. I need light bo
it's so grotesque. Trendo. Okay, shout out housey on Salad
for that Espresso related to BBL stink stink.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one, well done, like one
of our one of our favorite songs, one of our
greatest artists.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Health do you remember remember like when Espresso came out
and Molly Lambert was like, dude, you know, like like
this is right when it came out and Molly was
like casually brought it up.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
She was like, overrated Espresso. I'm like tired of hearing
it everywhere. And we were like, yeah, yeah, Google Google Google,
just to hear us frantically Google. I'm working, lady, I'm
listening to Weird now with my kids. All right, that's
what I'll be over here listening to weirdol Miles, We're
thrilled to be joined in their third seat. Every once
(04:50):
in a while, we have a Billy Joel piano man
guest as in I have to ask them, man, what
are you doing here? This is an American science fiction
and fantasy writer, a former civil rights lawyer. His twenty
twenty novella Riot Baby won the Alex Award and the
World Fantasy Award. He's written comics for Marvel, written for
(05:14):
the Call of Duty game. Please welcome the brilliantly talented,
acclaimed Oh toci o, yay bocie. Thank you for having me.
What's going on? What are you doing to not complain?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
You know, It's it's one of those things whenever that
question gets asked where it's like my immediate circle of
like family and friends, like we're eating, we're good, right,
and then everything immediately out of that in flames just
bad out there.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah. Well, hey, I'm sure your love of sci fi
and dystopian futures hasn't fueled your imagination.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
It keeps you pretty good.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
It's like, you know, I'm just waiting for one of
these in dweeds to like name their their world ending
corporation after something in one of my books that was
about a world ending corporation.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Right right, that was obviously the point. Yeah, yeah, I
mean there is this new guy Miles Dyson that has
just entered the administration with he's got some theories of audiation. Yeah,
but he talks like here, but he's like, right, I'm
(06:32):
sure he must right, yeah, you must say Miles Dyson.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
That was always I was like, that's me.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I'm Miles.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
That's a tough one. Man. Is the end of the
world famous sci fi work of our childhood.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
But you know what, he was killing it, man, he
was killing things.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I mean it's like last breath, like last Breath in
Terminator two. I can't great performance.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Oh yeah, that actor, I mean, Joe Morton, absolute fucking legends.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah. Well, Tochi, We're thrilled to have you here. We're
gonna get to know you a little bit better in
a moment. First, we're gonna tell the listeners a couple
of the things we're talking about. We're talking about medicaid
being cut h and just like, what's the endgame here
with all with all this, they cut medicaid. Jd Vance's
explanation was, guys, yeah, okay, so there's gonna be like
(07:29):
a few cuts, a little you know, tinkering here and there,
but it's all gonna be worth it because we're funding
ice to get rid of illegal immigrants, and they're are
the ones who are costing you all the money, so
we're actually saving money. And it turns out we've crunched
the numbers on that and that's a complete bullshit. And
(07:49):
also other people who know how to crunch the numbers
have also crunched the numbers. It's not just us, and
they also think it's bullshit. So we're just gonna what's
this all gonna look like? What's the endgame here? Guys?
What's the future look like? Thank god we have exactly
Thank god we have a sci fi right to tell
(08:11):
you the new agricultural policy. Play the tape forward, see
how that's going. Something that completely divorced from the world
of of science fiction. We have somebody writing about how
he's raising his kids with AI just good parenting, like
he's like hitting all these things that are like, yeah,
that's when parenting gets like hard, and also like when
(08:34):
you push through the difficult part, it's like really fun,
you know, like it's a challenge that AI time.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I don't know why there's poor people's son asked, why
does God allow human suffering?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I mean, you know, you're over your limit of questions
A limited questions he's giving his kids. I'll give them
two three questions at bedtime and then I turn it
over to AI. Anyways, we'll talk about that. This is
in the same periodical that gave us one of our
(09:10):
favorite articles recently. Yeah, my name's Chad, and I what
discrimination is because I'm a white guy named Chad. And
that's difficult somehow because they think I'm like cool.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Every time I pull up, it's really fucked up and oppressive,
Like why can't I just be Chad in the Patagonia vest.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, and they know and they they hear my name
is Chad and they already know I'm wearing a patagon
But before we get to that toci, we do like
to ask our guests, what is something from your search
history that's revealing about who you are.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I recently googled Anna coreno word count, uh huh. That
should basically tell you everything that you'd be to know
about me. Great book, great, like I highly I highly recommend.
I know, like reading's not really in vogue these days,
but fantastic, fantastic, freaking book.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
One of the greats. I've been told and I have
not read that, and I am trying to get back
into reading. So maybe maybe I'm putting that on my list,
assuming the word count is somewhere south of seven hundred
and fifty.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah, it's pretty pretty far south of that, you know,
it's it's hefty though, it's hefty.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's a thick one. What were you doing that? Because
you you feel like that's where you're landing with something
you're working on or.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
What just curiosity, you know, I like to sometimes I
get very like mechanical and obsessive about things like that
related to books, like word counts and stuff like that,
sometimes to not necessarily give myself a target to reach,
but just to you know, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly, it
(10:59):
doesn't hurt to know.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, So it's we're in the three hundred and fifty
thousand range. Yeah, it looks like, yeah, I'm looking for
three hundred and fifty words. Any any works that you
I have been enjoying because of my shitty attentions, man,
I have been talking on the podcast about enjoying poetry,
(11:24):
poetry fewer words, yeah, some pretty great effect. Oh yeah, yeah,
I just yeah, have you heard anything I've heard? Tell
this mysterious serious art form.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I'm going to look up how many words in the
Jim Lee X Men number one? Yes, that's that's about
where I tap out. Because also the covers were big posters,
so that they were poolside in the back cover. It's
really cool.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
What is something you think is underrated?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Shirley Temple? Temple, that's my go to drink. Absolutely, you
keep grennedin and oh yeah, like that's the first if
I'm in an establishment, that's the first thing I asked,
you have any greedy do.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
You keep in this fine establishing?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
You don't have no grenadine in your Like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Exactly, that's that's uh. You know they're wildly underrated, right.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I have in ordered to Shirley Temple in a long time?
Is it a pretty like what do you hit? What
are you batting about? Like fifty to fifty on dining
establishments with grenadine? Or is it? Do most of them
have it?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Most of them that I've been to have it. Maybe
I've just gotten lucky that you can also be the trick.
But yeah, you get it, and you get the you
get that Merichino cherry, right, that's how you know they're
taking care of you.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Oh yeah, and you do you tie the stem and
not with your tongue because I do that. Are you
able to do it? You can do it? I am
able to do that.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It was that like your fun fact on the dating apps.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I it was kicked off of dating.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Actually put that on my resume.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I'm like, dude, I'm hitting you up for a job,
and like, why are you going to meet your resume
right now?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
You just wanted you to see that team you're about
to join them.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, it's like Microsoft word Microsoft Excel tongue time.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Cherries takes me a while, though, you know, yeah, you know.
I had a cousin showed me that trick and then
what I did. I remember doing this on a date.
I snagged the excell one, I pre tied it and
I put in my mouth and I went like this,
But then I had to go for so long with
the other stem in my mouth because I didn't want
to be like like I was like across from this
person the whole time. Yeah that I just ended up
(13:41):
like kind of chewing it and just like eating it.
And I was like this is not worth the last
because it was hidden.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah, because I had that ship stage and I said,
oh watch this trick. First of all, my date so
unimpressed that I immediately was like, this was such a
fucking l dude, what are you fucking what have you
gotten yourself into?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I think it was impressive. It's like mainly impressive to
like twelve year old boys. That's when I worked really
hard to get good enough to do it.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
And oh so you put your ten thousand hours.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I put my literally in here. Yeah, but yeah, I
do love a Shirley Temple. And then the Cola equivalent
where you put Roger darth Vader, some not Darth Vader.
Someone called it a darth Vade regional. I think when
I was in in Dayton, Ohio, we call it darth Vaders.
(14:35):
That's kind of we were trying to make them because
we didn't give a fuck about Roy Rogers. I'm not
gonna lie. Let me Shirley Temple for the lady and me. Yeah,
I'll have a Darth Vader.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, actually make that a double vade. Called that a
darth ball, dude, let me get a darth on that.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Darl is the double do dark, three fingers, the fingers granite,
three fingers of Dean and the splash of cola on.
Let me.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, let me get a straight grenade bro.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Ship hold the Dean. I am just I am realizing
also that that is still my freestyle machine order. Is
the coke zero with the cherry sauce?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Oh right, right right, yeah, but that's like a cherry
coke though, versus a stray vader, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, yeah, it is just like they have some bright
red syrup that's going in. Oh yeah, it's definitely not grenadine,
but that ship is like unnatural, like redder than code red. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, it will stain black jeans radioactive.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yeah, you drink enough of that, you're going to turn
into a ninja turtle. That's really well that turns out.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Don't tell forty year old meet that right for god years?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I need that OOZ that could I get that with
the side of ooz? What's that?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Uzzo?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Just a shot of Uzzo tells you what's something he
thinks overrated?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Graphical fidelity in video games? Oh boy, yeah no, we don't.
Oh like if you if you shelled out for a
PS five Pro, there's there's nothing you can talk about.
There's like there I don't you there's I know that
there's nothing you can say to me, that'll be worth
listening to.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Sure, sure, sure, I think unless you were, like you
have to be this close to your TV for you
to be able to perceive that, like as.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Somebody's standing really close to his team, you got to
be for the listeners because it was really worth it.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
It was really worth it for that one blade of
grass that I got to see over in the distance,
this area that's fenced off to me anyway, like get
that get that ship out. Because also too, like video
games now costs like three hundred four hundred million dollars
to develop, They take like ten years. It's you know,
we don't it's unsustainable. It's unsustainable.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Like is there a thriving indie game scene where like
it's just they're like making sixteen bit or what you know,
stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Oh yeah, oh oh yeah, no, it's it's it's vibrant.
It is vibrant. One thousand Resists is really good blueprints.
Shout out to the folks behind blueprints, like, yeah, no
indie scenes thriving, so you know, and granted I'm a
triple A guy, like you know, let's not get it twisted.
But yeah, man, I don't I don't need to see
(17:43):
every beata sweat like that give me more South of
Midnight that like stop motion type shit like yeah yeah,
video games, yeah yeah, and somebody like I was just
playing SEAFU and I'm like, that shit is so fucking no, man,
you don't need that ship to be ten eighty.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Like it's just amazing, but it going so hard. The
thing with I think people don't realize too, especially with
like the advent of four K TVs becoming so normal,
you have to sit Like there are graphs that show
you the viewing distance for you to perceive the difference
in four K. If you have a seventy inch four
K TV, you need to be sitting closer than five
(18:23):
feet away from the fucking screen to be able to
notice that different. Wow, And so like you have to
like so for all those like to your point, all
those little things are really perceptibles. You're playing on like
fucking iMac screen or something shit from like ten feet away.
But yeah, we're we're just not going to see it
the same way.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
So what what is the console that it like maxed
out as like this is functionally all you need.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
I mean, like I got a PS five, But they
are mad people still having a really good time with
a PS four.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, so PS four is enough. Yeah, we can stop
thing on like move upping the fidelity and just be like,
let's make the best games that we.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I mean, I see it right in front of that TV,
like I am. I am the promise that my mother
made about being like sitting too close to the TV.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Like that's me, slippery slope miles. Yeah, you're just gonna
keep going until you're sorry, like culture geist.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah in the TV, get me out of here.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Doing a reverse ring, you know. Yeah, well to it's
been a pleasure getting to know you. We're going to
take a quick break and then we're going to come
right back and we're going to get into some news
that I think I'm excited to hear from from your
sci fi imagination.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Jesus some of the ship. It's written bad sci fi
Jesus Christ. We'll be right back, and we're bad.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
And so we're now in the post Big Beautiful Bill universe,
where we're dealing with the repercussions of a bill that is,
you know, if Trump left office and you know, a
Democrat entered today, I feel like we would be undoing
the damage from this bill. For decades. Yeah, that's not
(20:26):
saying much because the Democrats are fucking terrible.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
But it would take a long time.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
It's still like even if if somebody, a US politician,
knew how bad this was, it would still take a
lot of time to undo the damage. So we're cutting
a shipload of healthcare benefits, Medicaid, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Is going to hell, but jack, but we get to
ramp up the mass deportations, you know, and that's and that,
and that has the benefit of affecting multiple industries. So
the Republicans have a lot to figure or maybe they
don't have much to figure out, because it seems like
based on all the sound bites that have been coming
(21:05):
out of Republicans the last few days, as it relates
to like Medicaid, what do people do? What about employment?
It sounds like the plan is kind of like you
will toil in the fields, because a lot of people
are like, well, who will employers exploit for sub subsistence wages?
If America is a white ethno state secretary of whatever?
(21:28):
And here it is, this is this is a little
press conference that Brooke Collins or Brook Rollins, the Agricultural Secretary, gave.
That's pretty telling in terms of like how she sees
this lack of Medicaid benefits and also how mass deportations
are affecting just labor in general, how they all kind
of work together and it's gonna be pretty here. Here
(21:51):
it is, but I.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Can't underscore enough. There will be no amnesty. The mass
deportations continue, but in a strategic way, and we move
the workforce towards automation and American participation, which again, with
thirty four million people able bodied adults on Medicaid, we
should be able to do that fairly quickly.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Thank you. Sorry, what was she saying there? Thirty four
million able body body people on Medicaid? Were we kick
them off? Essentially?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
She said, we can get up. So if there are
the people that have been deported, yeah, means and look
we got we got like thirty four million people that
are on Medicaid. Yeah, maybe maybe they can work for
their benefits.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
They're coming from.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Why is this coming from the Agriculture secretary?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Because this is a thing where people were talking about
like this is affecting agriculture and massive right, because I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Even Trump was like I'm talking to some of my
favorite people in the hotel industry and agriculture, and they're saying,
these are the good ones, these are the ones that will.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Work for sub subsistence wages. That's that's unfortunately that where
so whose labor will you exploit? It's like again again,
this is all built on exploited labor. You if you're
saying even the people who migrate here are the immigrants
of this country, who then whose labor exploit for again
sub subsistence wages? You're going to offset that by the
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people who are now desperate because they are lost they've
lost their healthcare. And also the idea that every person
is like that's on Medicare is our medicaid is a
person who's able to do the physically strenuous work of
working in a field.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
That's the plan. I mean, the people assume they're all
lying about what they're able to do, and then take
them to make them because it's a lot of fraud, waste,
a lot of fraud. Oh yeah, there's a lot of
these guys in their thirties in their grandma's basement.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Sorry, I mean people born in the nineteen thirties that
are just fucking us around right now. They're full of shit.
I mean because right now, right we're driving people out
of cities with costs of the cost of living becoming
so high, so then they can realize that the American
dream is in the fields or something. I mean again,
this is like the like the dark version is like,
(24:10):
is this the long term plan for like labor camps
where people who don't adopt the MAGA mindset go to
be contained because you're like, well, you know there's a
place where people, you know, able bodied people can be used.
Since we've pretty much scared the shit out of any
other person who'd want to come into this country. It's
just a very very odd thing, especially when you consider
(24:30):
that the unemployment rate is at four percent right now.
Granted that doesn't mean people are making a living wage,
but do these people seriously think Americans have the will
to do that kind of labor because every time we've
seen this example, with immigration crackdowns all these you are like,
I can't get a single person like to do the
(24:51):
work that people who immigrate to this country do. And
I think that's just like they're completely ignoring I mean,
that's would I would count on Republicans to come. We
ignore the fact that this country has been and always
will be like built on the back of exploited labor,
whether that's like chattel slavery or you know whatever version
we're in right now with sub subsistence wages for people
(25:12):
who like work in agriculture and beyond.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah, I mean, you know what it reminds me. It
reminds me of back when the conversation about terroriffs was around,
like reshoring, manufacturing and all that jazz, and so you know,
there would be these polls that would go out being like, yeah, no,
all these Americans support brand factories back to the US,
and then they would ask, Okay, how many of you
actually want to work in one of those factories, and
(25:38):
the percentage would absolutely plummet.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Right because they don't want to do those jobs.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Like I don't know what they think those jobs consist of,
Like they don't want they don't actually want to do
that work. They don't want to be on the factory floor.
And also, this is what's good, they're really infuriating. There's
this is also Missouri Senator Eric Schmidt. He's also giving
his version about how like technology and the tech sector
(26:05):
plus the collapse of society will lead to people working
in meat processing plants. Again, very weird take, but very
similar to what the AG secretary said it.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
At the beginning of the twentieth century, working in meat
processing plants has been the dream for many Americans. That's
why there's that aspirational novel The Jungle.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
And also that great Guns n' Roses song about the
same thing. Yeah, welcome to the jungle. Yeah, yeah, we've
got I mean, that's where we don't want to.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Be in time. You're in the jungle, baby.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Like, yes, please, I'm dying in a meat processing facility.
This is Schmidt going on with his version and very
tortured logic about how jobs are gone and the immigrants
are taking them, but now you can have theirs, right.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
The answer here is technology and American workers. The American
worker is we've talked about on the show before. Maria
has had the double whammy of terrible globalist policies.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
They're shift, they're just so we're seeing the chief labor.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
And say China, slave labor in China, and then the
importation of chief labor here at home. And so that's
why you have a lot of people who struggled to
find work. They've been sort of priced out of the market.
With illegal uh and and low aged workers. And the
answer here is opening those opportunities up for American workers.
You just saw a food processing plant open up that.
You know, you had some folks who were arrested and
(27:24):
sent away, and then.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
You have that is so euphemistic.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah, so I had some fun.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
We've already had the Supreme Court. Okay, the disappearing of
people to a third country. Okay, like what okay, anyway,
they're just you know, these folks just sent away.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Somewhere, some people who are given a free, no charge,
spontaneous vacation, and it was.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
It's a time share that they can't get out of.
But here we go. This is a thing. He goes
on to sell this idea.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
Open up that you know, you had some folks who
were arrested and sent away, and then you have American
workers actually sign up and do those jobs. It's a
myth that Americans don't want to work hard and don't
want to do these jobs. Of course they will. But
automation technology advancement innovation is also going to be key
for agriculture section sector.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Okay, I don't even know that was such a word.
Salad buffet at the end, but my god, like the
things like, well, also the immigrants are taking the food
processing jobs which Americans are getting priced out of. No,
You've like this country's been built to like make people
docile with like hyper consumption, and part of that is
exploiting the labor of these people. And you think you
(28:35):
can just flip the fucking switch somehow to like the
beginning of the locomotive and you were like, Oh, I'm
getting in on this shit, ma, I'll be back, Like.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
What are they talking about?
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Well, it's like it's also like he's he wants his
cake and he wants to eat his cake and have
it too. He's saying, oh, like we're giving these jobs
to Americans, but also automation. So which is it, right?
Is Pucci Wally or is it one mic?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Like is it going to be American is or is
it going to be machines.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I knew someone would quote the great poet Sean Carter
show that's what we needed.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
It reminds me of those videos that were going viral
in China was showing Americans like working in the working
in the factories and they were like all obese and
like clearly not built for it. I'm just wondering, like,
why why is China so skeptical of this? Do they
have some experience with a great movement where they try
to people, force people to do work that they weren't
(29:32):
naturally doing on their own, and then find I believe
it was called a great Leap Forward, and I was giving, mao,
it's giving, it's giving pig iron, it's giving leap forward.
I just took the name of that at face value,
(29:54):
great Leap Forward, and assumed we're talking. I'm in my
mind palace on picture Michael Jordan jumping from the pre
throw line, uh, picturing Michael Pale breaking the long distance
the lung jump record. So yeah, I'm assuming that's what
we have to look forward to. I'm not gonna do
research beyond that. Maybe AI can do it for me,
but not right now.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Again, Also just politicians revealing at every moment how out
of touch they are with fucking reality. Like this person,
even if who knows he probably maybe he does believe it,
or maybe he's so used to saying lobbyist, you know,
authored bullshit out loud that he doesn't even know what
he says anymore. But the idea is like yeah, and
there's an American person who used to have a skilled
(30:39):
job at a factory who's you know, whose company decided
to outsource that labor to like another country. He's dying
to process like pigs and and do all that kind
of thing.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Like I see those people, But why are none of
those people there? Why are none of them lining up?
Why why is it none and not even?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
And yeah, and this isn't to like take a shot
at the jobs that these people do, but the like,
what what the momentum has been of American society has
been this idea of that you you can work all
of these jobs to have upward mobility. And now that
that's you know, just an absolute mirage. Now I think
they're just now just saying like, well, I guess the
(31:20):
only thing is now you will now fully just be
coerced into taking whatever job there is, because that's yea,
we're we're fucking pulling up the ladders now, and I'll
hope you're in.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
The jobs that actually have been Like when people look
at the how you know, the world that actually exists,
not the one, not the sci fi world that's being
written by Republicans, Like the jobs that have actually contributed
to the most upward mobility are like nursing and healthcare work,
and those are going away thanks to this because they're
(31:51):
going to put so many fucking hospitals out of business.
The health I'm just like trying to wrap my head around,
like what this looks like in ten years like it
or just like five years like what people they they're
effectively like kicking millions of people off of like off
of their health insurance. They're not gonna have health insurance.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
And I just don't get the rationale for like trying
to kill your own voters.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
It's so that's the I do feel like everything they've
done since they were in office was like we made
it past the finish line of democracy, and now voting
is no longer a consideration, like we don't need anybody
to vote for it. Like he said that in the election,
and we were like, that feels like an authoritarian thing
(32:40):
to say. But then he has completely governed from that perspective.
Mm hm, like no no awareness of like what is
good for the people who voted for him.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I mean, it's probably just going to be what like
an extension of what we're seeing now right is like
how I don't know how you what your process would
be as an author of science fiction. But if you're
like from right now, right, the people who cannot afford
to live in this society are have to turn to
other like you know, their financial recourse is very limited,
so sometimes it's extra legal things. You criminalize poverty, So
(33:12):
now you have a group of people to keep in prisons.
Now you're criminalizing people who have immigrated to this country
and you can disappear them or put them in prisons.
They're now doing investigations into people like James Comy or
people who have said truths about Donald Trump. You can
put them into prisons. And I think that circle just
gets wider because then the oligarchs can continue to profit
(33:32):
and be like automations doing everything, and then the algorithms
can spot them evil doers and we'll just toss them
into our private prisons that we also profit from. And
like truly no, like it just feels like, yeah, if
that's where shit goes, that's where shit goes. Either way,
I'll be a fucking Santro.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Pay well, they'll do low cost labor, they'll do real
low cost labor once they work for our private prison
industrial complex.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, tot you what do you looking at that is,
how how do you envision where we go from here?
Not to say please see the future, but like what's
your process is getting please?
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah, no, exactly, No, I mean, you know, going off
of your your point of the widening net for imprisonment.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I mean it goes back to.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Like I think a lot about immediately after the Civil War,
when the South couldn't do like actual slavery, so they
just started doing black codes and locking people up for
you know, random vagrancy laws that they would make up,
you know, sort of ad hoc, and then they would
lease those people out to plantations and to farms and
(34:40):
whatnot and like basically have them as you know, it's
almost a misnomer to call them hired labor because like
they weren't paid, and like a part of their condition
of their imprisonment was doing field work, was doing this
manual labor. And I think there's a version of this where,
you know, the the workers that are populating these meat
(35:00):
processing plants and these factory floors are people serving jail sentences,
are people serving prison sentences, Like that being a thing
because like you're you know, in the event that you
run into a labor shortage of like willing workers that'll
that'll you know, jump into these jobs or what have you.
You have a whole coercive element in your carcerl system
(35:23):
to like draw from. I mean, it's like with when
I when I found out that like so many of
the firefighters in California were like prisoners that were hired.
And also these are the same people that once they
get out of prison, they can't actually get like a
license or certification to become an actual firefighter and get
(35:47):
actual firefighter firefighter wages back the exactly. So I you know,
I think there's a version of I think there's a
version of all of this where like that kind of
plays out.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
But yeah, no, it's it's it's because.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Also too, you're dealing with a u It sounds almost
euphemistic to call it this, but this like fertility crisis
where like you know, they're they're just not going to
be enough people, right, So yeah, no, it's I think
drawing from populations that you can coerce into the type
of labor that you want or need them to do
(36:25):
is probably going to be a strategy that I see
these people picking up in the future if they're still
like sticking around in the future if they haven't just
like fucked off to Santrope or.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Something island by then right, yeah, they'll still be making
money off of well, like even with the farm thing, right,
you'd say, oh, well, how are you going to make
it more attractive?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
They're suddenly going to raise their wages, you know what
I mean. That's where it's like, that's where you fucking
hit the wall. You're like, they're not so the next
option is will fucking create some people that are desperate
enough to take these wages that are on offer. And
it's just also too the total ignoring of the hiring
practices of these employers is also such a fucking chef's
(37:10):
kiss of like just putting blinders on, Like how dare
these people come in and work these jobs?
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Motherfucker signing their checks.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
There is no job without the person hiring them without
exploiting their labor. But again, they can't get in that's
another third rail thing. It's like, well, we can't get
into the exploitation of labor. That's we just have to
treat that as like a nebulous thing. We just ignore
throughout all of this vilification that we see.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Parable This Sewer is a sci fi work that a
lot of people point to as being like very prophetic
about like what's happening right now. And one of the
things that she writes about in that is like company towns,
where people like just go to live because they have
like protection from like the apocalypse that's happening around them. Right,
(37:57):
But it does make sense that like the basically forced
company towns is like what we're talking about with the
private industrial complex. And yeah, I just that's it's so
fucking grim. Well I think to that point too. Right.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
You also had other people from like Trump's labor and
like economic cabinets say things that like, well, a great
way to get healthcare is to get a job. Yeah,
you know, And that's that's sort of like the step
one to this idea of like your salvation will come
through you toiling for corporation, for you giving your labor
(38:34):
over to this thing in exchange for what used to
be thought of as like a human Right. Yeah, it
now means the terms of conditions now apply based on
your ability to toil.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
I will say that one place that they are showing
that they're interested in voters is that I feel like
they're kicking people off of healthcare who don't have children
more than people who do, which I think is a
recognition that like, well, nobody's gonna be at med if
people without children are dying or losing healthcare when they
get older, like real eleanor Rigby shit right, just like well.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
I mean, I think another trick they're trying to pull
is there. You know, the tax cuts kick in immediately,
the Medicaid and entitlement cuts won't kick in for the
most part until after twenty until after the twenty twenty
sixth election.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, the midterms.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Yeah, yeah, So like that, I mean, I think people
are still gonna know, They're still gonna know.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yeah, I mean, it's like.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
It's there are rural hospitals that have already begun to
shut down because they're already on a knife's edge and
not even to do this bill. It's like, nope, they
are closing. So that is a reality for some people.
But again, the ability to connect those dots, because we
are the most propagandized population on the planet.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
North Korea could never, oh never, the performances.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Have you seen the performances of the cabinet officials taking notes?
They're gonna be like in that Fascist Actors studio, like
Max and James lift and like what's your favorite way
to actually you know, ask kiss.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
You get into character good just like their process, like
what they do. That would be so good to just
if we could get just a fly on the wall
view of like what their ritual is every morning as
they just they're just like how do I how do
I just purge myself of all humanity.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
In the mirror and they're doing their morning makeup routine
and just like, okay, how do I smear the evil
on my head? And I need to just like block
the maliciousness on my cheeks with a little bit of
rouge and then.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Great idea, sir, Great idea, sir, Great idea, sir, Great idea, sir.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Fantastic opinion. That's that's the kind of clarity that always
impresses me about your leadership, sir.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Maybe maybe it's like three hours in the morning looking
in the mirror straight just going this isn't you, This
isn't you, this isn't you, until tears are just streaming
down your face and like.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yeah, okay, I'm ready three hour cry to just get
all the tears out, not even that they're not even
that they're.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
I don't even know why they're saying that, because I
don't think they're that in touch with their own humanity.
But it's some kind of thing where they try and
like purge whatever weird void in their soul that opened
up from their childhood or adulthood. They're just like fill
it with concrete.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
So you wake up at three in the morning, like
the manisphere tells you too. Yeah, so, and also so
that you are so exhausted that you don't have the
ability to push back exactly. So you wake up at
three am and you just pray, pray for like three hours,
but you pray with loud music on, so you can't
hear any anything that's coming back. Yeah, you just listen
(41:48):
to Slipknot. Yeah, living on a lot of face dunking
in ice water Saratoga Springs.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
And then and then I do a full sprint through
an empty parking.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Lot with just big smile glazed on your face, tears streaming. Sure. Yeah,
all right, let's take a quick break. Well, we'll be back.
We'll figure out one of these stories to talk about it,
maybe less depressing. We'll see. We'll be right back and
(42:27):
we're back. We're back, and Business Insider out here again
doing the journalism that we deserve.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
See but the people thought I was waiting for the
new Clips album to drop. No, I was waiting for
the new Business Insider profile of some out of touch
asshole talking out loud to drop. And we've got it
maybe this one. Let me read the title, is I
work in AI and now I use it for parenting
my five kids? Shielding them from it would be a mistake.
(42:58):
Oh boy, this sounds good. So yeah, it's about this
guy who works in AI specifically has a company called
like AI CEO or something. He basically evangelizes the use
of AI and the adoption of AI and scares the
fuck out of I think small business owners to be like,
because you know what's gonna happen that if you're not
doing this, the people that are, they're gonna be making
(43:20):
more money because they're gonna fucking fire human laborers.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Before you, And then you're stock who.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Knows, Like that's like his whole pitch basically, so that it's.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Not just small business owners.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
You're publicly traded.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Oh boy, they want to adopt We're in the era
of savings right now. You know, trying to make it. Yeah,
that is such a great it's actually tochi it's efficiency.
Actually not upstairs. Don't call it class war. It's innovation.
(43:57):
It's innovation.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
It's restructuring ructuring wealth.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, is how we're restructuring it to move up and
to defy gravity. Anyway, So this is this is how
the piece starts. He basically talks about how it's like,
I'm just I'm going to be a better parent because
I use AI and I'm going to make my kids smarter.
Quote as a dad of five kids ranging in age
from five to fifteen, I use.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
AI throughout the day.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
It's my profession, but it's also a powerful tool for
parenting and not only makes me my life easier in
some ways, it also helps my kids prepare for the
world they're entering. And he goes on and talk about
how AI. He's like, it's not going to take your job,
but a person who's using AI will That's how he's
like kind of lightly dialing that fear mongering back of things.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
As a guy who likes to bust and works an AI.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, yeah, they're getting a top notch education from what
it sounds like too, because they go to well here,
let me read this paragraph. I homeschool all five of
my kids. I try to follow the ancient Greek model
of education, where.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
You learn you do always good, never never misapplied, the
lessons of rum, never miss applied.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
I feel, oh yeah, I like the Socratic method where
I don't know shit. I just asked my kid a
bunch of times if they know, and I believe that's how.
I think that's a Socratic method. Anyway, he said, my
kids learn a skill and practice it, then they demonstrate
their knowledge by teaching it to their siblings. Okay, if
the little kids get stuck on a problem, they ask
the older kids for help. But if the older kids
can't help, they turn to AI. All of the kids
(45:31):
have AI on their phones and tablets, and it acts
as their tutor. This is the most This is most powerful.
When the kids get very frustrated with a problem, the
type of problem that makes them want to throw their
hands up and say.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
No one can figure this out.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
In that moment, AI can guide them through solving the problem,
showing them that it can be done. No one can
figure this out. And I think you talk to Andy
and delay mommy AI AI. Oh oh I don't know
about this. He I mean, he like uses this like
example of like how do I do a thing to
(46:04):
show like he also said like we kind of fixed
our air conditioning unit and it was a family event. Okay,
I I don't know. I'm going back to my childhood
with my black father my Japanese immigrant mother. If I
said I can't how I knowing can figure this out,
they'd be like, you need to learn how to read
a fucking book. Yeah, Like go to the encyclopedia, go
(46:27):
to the library. You look on the internet, like and
at least I had that it or actually rather like
just check out the AI.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yeah. Well, also like which of these what where find
the pardon here? Where he describes AI in a way
that doesn't apply to Google before it was broken by AI,
you know, like when just like knowing how to use
Google and having access to maybe like some scholarly journals.
(46:54):
I learned how to.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Make a New Jersey fake driver's license on three a
Google Yah, and I knew I had to find a
fucking PDF like frame, like a fucking vector file that
I could throw my picture.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
I learned about all that shit from searching the internet. Yeah,
and like also too. You know, another benefit of raising
your kids by actually interacting with them and like telling
them things and sending them off to do things like
you know how stuff and whatnot, is that there's at least,
(47:29):
depending on the context, a lot less of a risk
of raising like five raging anti semites, right, yeah, which
it's like almost stand yeah, Like, you know, there's also
that benefit to interacting with your because like I like
one thing, and I don't think. I don't think America,
(47:53):
or at least American society has fully reckoned with how
the pandemic like fucked with us socially and how it
just completely you know, not just for younger generations, but
also for older generations, just reconfigured how we interact with
each other, and how difficult it has become for people
(48:15):
to like really interact with each other where you know,
people these Like I was talking with high school teacher
the other day, like over the weekend. He was talking
about how it was actually easier to teach his students
or for his students to interact with him through their
phones as opposed to just face to face like conversation
(48:38):
and stuff like that. And so the thing about living
in the world is that you're actually in the world,
like you're physically like in the world around other people
and all of these things. So growing up, living a
life is not just about the accumulation of knowledge or whatever.
Like you can read as many Wikipedia pages as you want,
Like that's not going to make you actually smarter person.
(49:02):
You actually you have to actually learn how to talk
to people.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Yeah, the piece goes on, it's fucking wild again. This
motherfucker is just doesn't want to be a dad. I
think it's what they should have called this piece. Like
many kids mine love to ask a million questions at bedtime,
like Dad, why are you drinking, where are you going,
where are you leaving?
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Why don't you talk to yea? Yeah, does mom ever
come up with this? No?
Speaker 2 (49:29):
But the photo of the family, it almost looks like
the mother could be AI.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
Yeah. I generated like I was like, hmmm, oh yeah,
they're all smiling and the mom is giving Victoria Beckham Yeah,
but like great, like posh spice face.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
But like she's got something filtered anyway.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
So he goes on, I hate when my fucking kids
are like, why don't you love me? He says, quote,
I'll answer the first three to four but why questions?
Then I handed over to AI. The computer system has
relentless energy to answer questions from even the most persistent kid,
and my children usually get tired. You get usually get
tired out after a few minutes. I do the same
(50:08):
thing when the kids are arguing. Sometimes I'll ask AI
for a second opinion. It leads to what about your partner?
Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yeah? Right, where are they? Where is that hold on?
Speaker 2 (50:18):
So so your partner's a third No, honey, I ask
chat GPT hold on?
Speaker 5 (50:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (50:26):
Yeah, you know what this reminds me of. I think
it also might have been Business Insider. There was this
story that came out a while back, maybe like a
like several months back, about this dude who he was
evangelizing this like AI platform that could create office assistance
for him, so you could make yourself your own CEO
and have a whole team doing stuff for you, And
(50:50):
then he ended up sexually harassing one of his AI
generated assistants and writing a story about.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
He was like, this is one of the services that
it provides. Yes, it's you can sexually harass it essentially
without being without farming somebody.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
The headline was like, I think I made an HR
booboo or something like that.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
Yes, he's like, yeah, I made an hr bubu when
I made this AI system dumb thing, yo dog shout.
I shouldn't know when I was doing the creative player mode,
should I shouldn't have sent the yeks to that you'd seen.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
Her, I mean she was dragging a wagon. Man like
you wouldn't like what is this batman?
Speaker 3 (51:38):
Could not have beaten that confession out of me?
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Right, Yeah, And he's like, oh, this is an interesting
wrinkle that I can talk to people about. But I
mean kind of smart marketing because every CEO who they're
trying to pitch to has had problems accidentally jacking off
on a zoom call con tubing on the internet. So
(52:07):
you know what, what what if there was a personal
assistant that you could sexually harass to your heart's content.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
This is like when like people like sex offenders are like, well,
this is why, like I need this like child robot, cause,
like Ben, I don't do stuff in real in the
real world. You're like, hold on, that's not the issue
is that you need this robot fu. You need to
fucking do some soul searching. There's another line in this
that just just shakes me to my core because again,
(52:35):
we're all we've all been kids who ask our parents
questions like why remember one of the first things, Uh, anyway,
this said in our house? Have you asked AI for assistance?
Is a common refrain. That's how terrible that's your relationship
to your children is like did you why are you
bothering me with this mess? Did you ask your cell phone?
Speaker 1 (52:54):
And then they're mimicking that behavior when.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
You know what I'm saying, like like this is big. Yeah,
everything downstream of this is so fucking terrible. But this
guy's like, I'm just he's again rationalized this as if
he's doing them a favor, when in fact he's so
selfish and just so myopic in his view of like
what AI is that he's like, oh, this and this,
I'm just preparing them for a cold world where their
(53:19):
dads will ignore them and be.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Like, why are you fucking asking me?
Speaker 3 (53:21):
Shit, it's going to be wild when the AI bubble
bursts and all the money goes to some other you know,
fat or Internet fat or whatever, and all these people
are left with these fucking dysfunctional relationships with these kids
that don't know how to talk to them anymore because
they've been telling them to consult their phones their entire lives.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Yeah, it's my God has like my favorite movie. That
have to be the first twenty minutes of Multiplicity. I
didn't didn't see any of the part where there's consequences
to him creating a bunch of different versions of himself.
And except for that.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Later ones kind of get wonky. We're the one that
just says tough over and over.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
Didn't watch that. I just I like the idea, let's
let's keep it moving. Yeah, it's it totally right like that.
I have a seven year old and a nine year
old and I there they ask a lot of questions,
and their questions like make me see things new, like
(54:24):
with fresh eyes, and I'm like, that is a thing
that I had forgotten was really interesting and now you're like,
and I get curious with them, and just the idea
that he's like and once I throw once I kick
it over to AI, they they tuck her out real quick.
That might mean that like the AI is doing a
(54:44):
bad job. He's like, and the AI is great because
it extinguishes their curiosity real quick.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
And just the way we learn right, Like, yeah, there's
so many college students that they've interviewed, who you've used
AI to get through college, And well, I.
Speaker 7 (55:00):
Don't remember a single fucking thing because all my task
was merely just figuring out the prompt to then copy
and paste or slightly punch up for an assignment. I
didn't retain the information because my relationship to the information
is completely different. And like, I'm just thinking of like,
as as a kid, I had all these like kids
almanac books that were just filled with fucking dumb facts
(55:22):
this shit and like weird, like it had everything from
like what all the chevrons meant on like an army
person's uniform, where like you know how a tornado comes together.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
And I would pore over.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
These books because I was like this is fucking cool
to me, and it was like pick it was like
made for kids or whatever. Yeah, but I'm just thinking
of like that process for me, I internalized or I
remembered so much of it because it felt like I
could find something, I could connect the dots within these
like set of books that I had. Yea, And when
you just reduce it down to just being like, well,
(55:54):
did you ask the magic question to the thing and
what was the answer gave you. Okay, well then that's
reality is like just such a fucking weird way to
you know, accumulate these like life experiences that end up
making you a podcaster.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
You know.
Speaker 3 (56:09):
Well it's this like optimize everything in your life mindset,
right where everything is all about instrumentality, and like how
can I get to the next stage, get to the
next stage, get to the next stage where I will
be infinitely rich? Right, But like sometimes you know, the
way through life is to learn that the mitochondria is
the powerhouse of the cell.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
Right right, and like enjoy that and sit in the
curiosity around that and not just always kick things forward
to you know, some pyramid scheme of like knowledge and
earning capacity where like where, and then I'm going to
turn that into an ability to optimize for this so
that I can get richer and so my kids can
(56:51):
get richer. And now I've got a powerhouse of capitalism
working at home instead of being like, I don't know, man,
maybe like enjoy spending time with your kids and like
learn stuff from them.
Speaker 3 (57:02):
Right, it's wild to automate parenthood.
Speaker 1 (57:05):
Yeah, just completely cut out of that.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
Yeah, but I think that's just an escalation for I think,
and it's also a reflection on how like exhausted people are,
working parents can be. And I can totally see how
intoxicating that the idea of being like I don't know,
I fucking he do it, because I remember when people
had Alexas in their home. Everyone's like, dude, it's great,
we asked the Alexa stuff. But it was even then
(57:28):
it was a thing that a parent would do with
a kid, like I don't know, ask the fucking cone
in the kitchen, right, Like that's just a fucking weird
interaction to have. And I think, yeah, Like I think
you bring this up Jack all the time about how
evolutionarily speaking, like we've just in the last thirty years,
we've just entered this space that's like accelerated at such
(57:49):
a pace that the previous new millennia that have preceded it,
like it just dwarfs in comparison, and we're suddenly like
our hunter gatherer brain is like the can ask the
cane if what's gravity? Like it's just yeah, it's so.
Speaker 1 (58:05):
And like this adds a layer on top where it's
like I'm my dad is like subtly mad at me
if I don't ask the cone right, It's like frank Man,
h Like, so that sends me in a direction where
like my instinct is to just like avoid emotionally connecting
with the person and instead just optimize my ability to
(58:29):
use AI to find the information.
Speaker 3 (58:32):
It's like, oh, man, the way to get dad to
like me is to ask the phone things.
Speaker 2 (58:38):
Yeah, right, which is wild. This would be fucked up.
Speaker 1 (58:42):
We're talking about this in an in an ideal world
where AI like actually works, and like, right, toci as
you brought up the first place, like we just have.
We just had like the person who is like the
icon of like tech smart guy and Elon Musk release
an AI chatbot on his company that he spent forty
(59:03):
four billion dollars on that immediately just went to Mecca
Hitler on on the world like that. That is where
we're at with this, And this guy is like, yeah,
so I mean it's a perfect solution. Yeah, I'd let
that around my kids.
Speaker 2 (59:20):
Yeah what.
Speaker 1 (59:23):
Jesus Well, Tochi, it's been such a pleasure having to
on the daily Zeitgeist. People find you, follow you, read
you all that good stuff.
Speaker 3 (59:33):
Y'all can find me on Blue Sky at Tochi true story,
y'all can find me on the gram at Trey sixty four,
that is t R e i z E sixty four.
I also am a substack degenerate. You can find me
at toch dot substack dot com, my website Tochyo YbI
dot com. And I have two books out this year.
(59:56):
The first Harmiton Season is a fantasy noir that dropped
May available everywhere books are sold. And I have an
upcoming essay collection, Race Book, a Personal History of the Internet,
out on October twenty first, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Amazing. Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying?
Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
Oh my goodness, So I'm about to So this might
be cheating a little bit, but I know I'm going
to enjoy it because I enjoyed the first part of
it so much. I'm about to jump into and Or
season two late. But like I am, super super super high,
Like I just Tony Gilroy is the goat. I've loved
him ever since. Michael Clayton. Shout out to Michael Clayton,
(01:00:39):
I yeah, no, I can't wait. I cannot wait.
Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
We referenced Michael Clayton a lot on this podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Great Assassination See the assassination scene in and Or they
just have that scenes like wait, this is the Michael
Clayton assassination scene. Clothes, get the socks off, get the socks.
Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Off, get the site for the watch back. Yeah, we
literally referenced it on yesterday's episode. So you literally made
a reference yesterday. So chilling.
Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
It's so fucking clinical, it really is.
Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
It. Also, I feel like we all suspect that's happening
behind the scenes, right, like corporate corporations being like this guy,
we have one thing standing in the way of our
shareholders getting millions and millions of dollars rich or like
something needs to be done.
Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Yeah, you know, well, because it's also that kind of
thing like me as like an action movie brained like
weed smoking college and like, yeah, dude, exactly, Bro. They're
gonna come in so fucking quick, dude, and you're not
gonna fucking know, bro, And they make it look like
an accent.
Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
That's how it all happens. Du that's right, y Yeah, yeah,
all right, well, Yeah, I've also heard great things about
and Orra. I need to seen the.
Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
First season, yes, and loved it. Some of the best
TV idea ever seen. And yeah, and I've seen a
lot of.
Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Teams Jack, watch it with your kids.
Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
They like Star Wars, you better get.
Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Them in on that revolutionary I feel like I feel
like there might be too much death. I tried. I
tried Jurassic Park with them, on the recommendation of a
parent who had talked it over with Chat GPT. Oh no,
I think we're ready for for Jurassic Park. They made
it like one minute in and we're like, did that
(01:02:24):
guy just die? No?
Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
No, no, he was just dancing.
Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
That's why he got up off the ground like that.
Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Yeah, catch up baby, Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
My nine year old literally reprimanded me. He was like,
why would you think this is okay? I blame chat GPT,
you waste man. But yeah, as soon as they're old enough,
we're gonna we're gonna play.
Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Just read them a story about like Tucson Lovature or
something like that. Yeah, get them like this is why,
this is why he is still going to still suffering
for a minute. Thes give them at least some flavor
of vam foord.
Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Yeah, yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
If you don't have your kids calling you comrade by
like age five, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Know what you fucked up.
Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Yeah, I'm fucking up miles Where can people find you
as their working media you've been enjoying?
Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Yeah, you find me everywhere at miles of gray, including well,
I say, PlayStation network. But I got that repetition injury, okay,
because the Division.
Speaker 7 (01:03:21):
Two expansion for a game I've been playing for seven
years came out and I have to stop and.
Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Shout out to somebody on Blue Sky who are I
think Baby's Instagram who said they were also feeling the
repetition injury because you had a sewing injury. Exactly why
sewing injury? Damn the repetition of doing? Why Why do
the things we love not give us mutant strength in
that one very specific way that.
Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Just gets stronger and faster with the needle exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Watched the ship on fucking no Look exactly. That's how
I know there is no God. Now let's see a
couple posts I like. The first one is from at
Matt Zohler sites dot Besky dot social uh, and it's
a photo of like a like a parking Kioska display.
It says please pay displayed him out five USD. Change
is possible, and they put I appreciate the optimism of
(01:04:05):
this parching validation change is possible. And also, doctor Eric
Farmer posted on Blue Sky. If the DOJ really has
nothing on Epstein, why was he in prison? And why
was Gallayne Maxwell convicted and sentenced more harshly than some
murderers and insurrectionists.
Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
It is so weird, I don't. I mean, I'm sure
there's a logical explanation for all.
Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
I mean, there's a client list, but who's Prince Andrew?
What is that? What is that? Just like a okay,
does ops list? Is that?
Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
What it is that?
Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Yeah? Okay, fine, whatever, whatever you're saying, whatever you say.
Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Work a media. I've been enjoying. Ben Collins just tweeted
from the Onion. He's the head of the Onion it
only Tuesday yesterday, which one of my favorite Onion headlines
that after running a thousand errands working hours of overtime,
being stuck in seemingly endless gridlock, traffic, muting too and
from their jobs, millions of Americans were disheartened to learn
(01:05:03):
that it was in fact only Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Yeah. Good.
Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
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Yeah, Bro, there's some UK garage in it. This is
keeping you close by Halogenix, but the Tesco remix c
E Sco. This shit's a fuck. It's just it's minimal.
But the fucking basinth is nice. This is the kind
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fifteen at subwoofer that could put in my trunk, let
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Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.