Inauguration Gets Loud, Trump’s S#!@ty New Life 1.21.21

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is gone. We will talk about that. My name is
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a k A. I thought we'd be stuck with you
for ever, but that fascist pizza ship has gone away. Hey,
it's not hard to say goodbye to this pizza ship

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and one more well, it seems to me that just
in your life like a giant piece of ship. The
first one is from me, the second one from Christie.
I'm a Gucci Maine just had there. There's a lot
of good. It's a lot of good right now, but
I just had to He had a whole verse, but
that one hits, you know, like a giant piece of ship. Beautiful.

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We are thrilled to be joined in our third seat
by the hilarious, the talent to the very first face
on Mountain Zepmar She is Jamie Left. That's all I
had to say. I did, I was. I lost my ship.

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When Jennifer Lopez screamed, let's get loud in the middle
of this land is your land? Yeah that is? It
was dope people that Woody Guthrie j Lo mash up,
and it was like, Wow, this is a girl ball
Us event. She gonna start doing her own ship like

(03:07):
waiting for tonight and doing it, starting a medley of
her great night don't be food like Joey from the Block.

(03:29):
That was some real girl bash it. But I was
laughing my head off. Yeah I'm not I'm gonna go
get loud I'm getting I've been getting loud all morning,
just screaming that, yeah, let's get I was actually we
were a little worried heading into this recording, just how

(03:49):
Sunny dealing with everything. Party. He's drunk, man, he's up,
he started. I was telling Miles off Mike Sunny started
icing us at five A Bro's ice and Bros. Yeah yeah,
I was like, I was like, wait, my pillow feels weird.
It turns out there's three smirknof ices under Damn. Sony

(04:11):
is Jamie's dog, who is all right for new listeners. Yeah, yeah,
so he was. He actually he was dead asleep by
the time the inacuration happened. That like be passed out
and you have that blocker on you. I know it
doesn't it's not a good look to have that blocker
on you. But you know, free the homies that they
caught with it. R I p to the homies they

(04:33):
caught without it. Because when you're getting ice, if you
have us, if someone tries to ice you and you
pull out of ice and you go, then they have
to drink and then everyone looks ridiculous, and look, this
will be in the lord that people won't know about.

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But when I was doing smearing off icing in the
streets of Tokyo, there were moments where I would have
six on me at any given moment because it was
getting that aggressive and like Batman's utility belt. But how
did you have them? Well, because it's in Japan, they
sell Lucy's of smirnoff So I can go to a
seven eleven and like when someone had their back turned,

(05:14):
I would be like, oh, yeah, y'all want to check
out that anime store, like going with like American friends,
like yeah, going do I'm gonna play it out here.
I would run down the street to the convenience store
by like nine smirnoff ices and put in my backpack
and then just like when they come out and be like,
oh yeah, I got you something. It's stupid and I
mean anyone under like what does does has never been iced.

(05:38):
It was the best marketing tactic the Devil ever thought of.
I'm I think people like it, fucking like break dot
com or something that initially came up with it as
a bit or something and then it ran away into
this thing that people were like yes, because when like
fred Freddie marketing like using a fret too marked it

(06:00):
your products was like a feasible option. Yeah. Yeah, I
just picture Sunny being so like next level where it's like,
you know, because when you get when you start next leveling,
people shout out to my friend Nick who taught me
about the one where you disconnect the toilet handle, so
someone would have to lift the toilet thing to look
into the tank and you put ice in there and

(06:21):
they're like and then you just hear some go fuck room.
That's like the high you chase when you're doing it,
like at another level. I just picked your Sunny like
being like I gotta go to the bathroom and he
just ships out of smear koff ice and it's like like, Gus,
you've been nice. So yeah, I was sing us all morning.
Um and yeah, you know, he said some things that

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I'd rather not repeat, but he was very drunk. Wow. Yeah,
do they still smell? Do they still smell? No? Do
they still sell smearnoff ice? So it's still a product. Yeah, yeah,
I still try to ice. Well back when we can
see people. I used to try to ice Caitlin, but
she didn't drink it. She just says, no, keep trying ice.

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Something they don't know what the funk you're talking about
or not interested and you just like such a piece
of shit, so weird having to go to be like,
oh so it's this thing where I hide it, and
then you have to drink the whole thing in front
of me because I said so, and you have to
get on one knee before me as you do very chill. Well,

(07:30):
I don't have to do any of that, Jamie. Okay, alright, alright,
what a way to begin our first post Trump record. Listen,
Let's get loud, folks, Let's get she said it, I
felt it. Let's get I know. I'm gonna smoke that
loud jard you smoking on that Trump smoke later that loud.

(07:56):
All right, Jamie, we're going to get to know you
a little bit better in a moment. First, we're gonna
tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about.
We will give brief impressions of the inauguration. We know
yesterday for y'all we're still, you know, living through the
day of So we'll talk about that. We'll say peace
out to the past president. Uh, we'll talk about his bills.

(08:21):
Bills are coming do Yeah, I was too screening the
inauguration with just a main line of Q and on
people realizing that Biden hadn't been arrested yet and noon
was approaching and then had passed. Uh So we'll talk

(08:41):
about that and just generally how there seems to be
a flagging of enthusiasm on the right. Um, so we'll
talk about that. We'll talk about the kick game on
display at the inauguration, Joe Exotic getting sucked over, just
the latest person to get sucked over by Trump. And
we will talk about Armie Hammer. Uh. We will have

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superproducer on a jsnier on to discuss all that plenty more.
But first Jamie, we like to ask our guest, what's
something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Oh,
I've been doing a lot of searches. Uh, so just
let me know which search jumps out to you. I

(09:24):
learned that there is an actual saint for mental illness,
which I thought was really cool. I didn't know she existed.
Her name's sat Dimfna and if you google her, she's
really pretty. I found out that one more time period
like where it's her when? That's when did she get
her her miracles on? That's a good question. Let me see,

(09:44):
I just know she's a yeah, thirteenth century. Uh yeah,
So there you go. She was murdered by her father,
which brings me to my next my next Google search,

(10:04):
which is the guy who helped make Tetris that murdered
his family. I watched this long ass YouTube video about
the making of Tetris because my algorithm is just fun.
It was like an hour and a half long. It
was really good, but it was like the history of
Tetris and and so I just watched the whole thing
and at the end, like they don't talk about the

(10:24):
guy who murdered his family um during the video, but
at the end they just do like the where are
they now? And it's like this guy went on to
work at this video game company. This guy went on
to work at this video game company. This guy killed
his entire family, this guy went on to work at Nintendo.
And I was like, hold on, And it was like

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three in the morning. So a Russian, like one of
the Russian guys who made it, or one of the Americans,
a man named Vladimir Puck Puck kilco Um. It's very sad.
It's extreme, like I'm not trying to make light of it.
It was just very jarring to see at the end
of a pretty video about tetris. Did the YouTube documentary

(11:08):
also use the rules of three to have that be
the third update? Just for it as hard as your presentation?
Or was that your own comedic taste that you that was?
That was my own little flourish, But yeah, I don't.
It's very sad, but it was just it woke me
right the funk up at it was finishing this YouTube

(11:31):
video and then I was googling. I've been really homesick
recently since I was looking up local business drama in
my area. There's all so um the best, the best,
well not the best, I mean it's it's this is
all upsetting, but this drama or like consumer beefs with
the businesses. There's just always I feel like it happens everywhere,

(11:54):
but in the Boston ones always really make me laugh
of just like weird small all business drama and the
best one there's like this is a pretty well known
one at this point, but the cat cafe in Boston
that was like run by a woman who didn't care
about cats and was like there, uh so I googled

(12:14):
cat cafe drama Boston, and that brings you to a
slew of incredible um short histories of just uh. It
was just a local Massachusetts woman who wanted to start
a cat cafe, but guess what, she didn't know how
to take care of cats. Uh. Cat lovers immediately got
angry at her, but she just continued to double down.

(12:35):
And it was just like real New England mom on
Facebook energy where she would post these like screeds from
the cat cafe page being like everyone who thinks I
don't know how to take care of a cat is
a hater and like it was, and it went on
for years and years, and right right when it's like

(12:56):
all these people she was working with were like, you
shouldn't be run a business about cats, uh. And so
it went on for years. My brother used to live
near the cat cafe, so I relived that drama. And
then also the puppet theater I used to work out
in Boston was embezzled from by its own managing director,
so I was catching up on that drama. There's just

(13:19):
my start. I don't know, my algorithm is is fucked
for like a mix of good and bad news. You
just hit us with. There's a lot going on on
my Google how much can you embezzle out of a
puppet theater? All of it? I guess, is there a
dollar amount? What had happened? No, they it was kept

(13:40):
pretty quiet. It was I was I don't know why.
I was just like on one and I like contacted
all my Boston media contacts to be like, why aren't
people reporting on the puppet embezzlement? And then I did
a bunch of this is like a month ago. I
did a ton of research. I sent it to my
friend and she was like, um, I'll see what we
can do, but it's you just got to go through

(14:03):
it here. It is just like what kind of person
do you need to be to embezzle from a fucking
independently run, nonprofit puppet theater. That's first fucking kind. I
feel like you've got to be a bad guy in
a Muppets movie, Like that's from a puppet I was
so upset about it, and I was like, people in

(14:24):
Boston should be so mad that people stole for someone
stole from a puppet theater. But it was like someone
at the top was just like taking money out of
the out of the cash bo Like what was your
connection to the puppet theater, just like when you went
to or I used to work. I used to work there.
I enterned there in college and then I worked there

(14:44):
for a little bit. It's a great puppet theater. It
seems like they're going to be okay, but there was
I got like, I'm still in their email list, and
like a month and a half ago, they sent out
this wild email that was just like an update on
the embezzlement scandal. I was like, oh, because usually it's
like do you want to watch Shadow Puppets on Zoom?
And I'm like no, But um, so there's you know,

(15:07):
just a little a little bit of local drama to
make me feel closer to home. Nice. What is something
you think is underrated? Um, chromatica oreos as anyone? I
feel like, have you talked about chromatic green? We have not. No,
But I've noticed how you're steady been posting some just

(15:28):
wonderful snack foods on your social media, Uh, to the
point where I'm like, Okay, it's this is becoming aficionado
levels of cash food that she's like picking up. So
is it just the color? Is there something new? What's
what's going on with CHROMATICA. I'm just surprised that more
people weren't talking about CHROMATICA oreos because it's a ridiculous

(15:49):
premise if you don't know what CHROMATICA oreos are. Their
oreo tie ins too. Lady Gaga's album that came out
a year ago really unclear why I these exist, but
she announced like last month. It was also a really
funny announcement video because she posted on Twitter a video
of her like fully lying down, giving it two being like,

(16:12):
by the way, CHROMATICA oreos are coming out soon, and
everyone was like, hold on, wow, this you're not lying.
This screencap is her laying on a bed like this,
and she's like, yeah, guys, check this out. I don't
know I'm laying down. She's got about her energy to
be the most person, the most extra person of all

(16:34):
time at an inauguration or just anywhere in public. There
was I really wanted. But then it was like she
she announced them, and then no chromatic oreos for a
long time, and I was like, I feel like I
I followed the people on Twitter who would have found them, right,
and then finally we found chromatical oreos. Got six packs
of chromatical oreos and now they're just gone. They're done,

(16:57):
They're lost to time. They didn't come, they didn't hit
shelves because I was actually listening to WHO Weekly and
they were saying they were saying that like they are
on a slow drip where they're they released like the
small individual sized and then pretty soon it's going to
be yeah, they're the silver pack or the pink pack.

(17:20):
I mean the silver, like the six six cookie silver. Yeah.
So we went to we went to seven eleven and
we cleared them out of chromatic oreos, which was fucked up.
We but then once their display was gone, it was
just gone. Because I was going to go back and
be like, what's going on with the chromatica oreos display?
Could I take it off your hands? Um? But it

(17:42):
was already gone. So I'm glad. I'm glad to hear
that they are coming back because they were good. I
think that they were just like golden Oreos that were
done pink. But they have and then it has this
little um I think they talked about this on WHO
Weekly to the they have like a little QR code
that you scan and then you can make Lady Gaga
say a message to you. Hell yeah, and the messages

(18:05):
they played on Who Weekly were like, uh, you can
do anything. Like people say things are impossible, but they're
not everyone. Yeah, mine was mine was kindness rules all
and that's like thank you, Lady Gaga. CHROMATICA oreos. That
hurt pack twenty bucks is the cheapest. I'm seeing it
on eBay, fuck who and also oreos on eBay. That's

(18:28):
a that's a new level. Yeah. I don't know. I
don't even know if I'm there. I hope that your children,
grandchildren go like, what's all what's all this stuff of
your closet? Grandma's these stuff bears and Lady Gaga oreos
like they're some supposed to pay for your college. This
is my beanie babies. Oh I'm seeing the pink pack. Wow. Wow, Wow.

(18:50):
People are really selling their Cromatic oreos on market. The
resellers every game up five dollars. Every game is fucked
up because reselling. You know, wow, what happened to fans
just having the ship because they loved it. I did
save all of my rappers, we just put them in
a drawer. But I ate every single CHROMATICA oreo, and

(19:14):
I had like forty. That's one of the lyrics from
that Faith Hill song right, eat every single don't just say, um,
what is something you think is overrated? Okay, this is
an inauguration related one. I don't. I think it's overrated
when there are these events where they would normally be

(19:36):
people and then there's not people, so they just put
little items where the people would normally be. I don't
like it, especially when they did it with the flags.
It made it it was really bleak. I'm like, this
looks like memorial. Yeah, it looks like a memorial like
in a way. Then it's like it's not. It's not
the funniest one. I just thought that was like a

(19:56):
little like it was just bizarre to keep cutting to
like a yield full of flags, isn't it. Yeah, Like,
first of all, can we use that money for literally
anything else and then just not have that shot? It
was all left over from like Milannia's public events. I
think just like we got a bunch of blacks man,

(20:17):
how did that was? So that was I don't like it.
But the funniest one, Um, I was watching the New
Year's the time score New Year's he've covered a couple
of weeks ago, and where either of you watching it.
I watched I watched one that was like a live
stream at nine o'clock Pacific time, but it was so

(20:37):
there the Times Square it was I mean, it was
obviously dystopian, but it was sponsored completely by um Planet
Fitness for some reason. It was like New Year's Eve
brought to you by Planet Fitness, and where and where
the people were. They had Planet Fitness waggy inflatable arm
guys just go in all night. It was so I

(20:59):
really don't that was the funniest should've ever seen in
my life. But I just think it's a weird. I'm like,
we know that there's not people there. You're not tricking
me into big Wow, what a full Inauguration Square is
packed right now? What a misguided sponsorship. That's like, yeah,

(21:20):
that's the thing that you worry about the morning after
New Year's Eve. That's yeah, that's someone having like Christmas
tree clean up themed Christmas decorations. It's like, that's not
what we're here for. It's like, no one should be
going to fucking Planet Fitness right now anyways, like what
are we Oh? It was really funny though. Also get

(21:41):
a picture someone in the suite of Planet Fitness was
probably Look, dude, Joe Biden's gonna be president. The pandemic
is gonna finally end, and people are gonna be flooding
back into Jim's. We gotta get ahead of it and
get our name out there. Are New Year's because you
know the resolutions. That's when we do our business. And
with Binden in office, it's going to be like a
light switch. Boys. I'm like, I think there's some it's

(22:02):
so aggressively misguided, like to your point of I mean,
I guess some states, Yeah, like they are. They're a
little bit more relaxed because the situation might not be
his dire, so people can patronize the gym or go
to a gym, but like ship from my from out here,
I'm like, can't even go outside. Tell you who was
more relaxed was Garth Brooks at the inauguration just walking

(22:23):
around without a mask on, just fucking talking right at
the President's face like a yeah, like a Trump just
bringing a little piece of Americans who refused to wear
masks to uh to the inauguration. Yes, everyone was what
a wild energy there when he was trying to make
that thing happened, when he was like all right. It

(22:44):
sounded like a Vic Burger video. It was sounded so
like just like you could hear his like mouth sounds
like you could just hear his lips smacking together. You're like, sir,
it's a nice idea, but it's not working. Yeah, I mean, look,
I'm not gonna lie. I started singing it. Yeah, I
was like feel right right, And then I was like

(23:06):
their magic, Like what do you? What are you doing?
Like nothing, you're singing with Garth brooks Um. That was
a bad and objectively bad performance of amazing grace like
I can think of. I think like at of the

(23:27):
US population would have done a better job. But my
four year old was like, can you put this song
on my uh playlist? Because I think like it. Hearing
someone who is bad, who was like a mediocre singer
sing it, you really like it shows off the quality
of the song. For some reason, there was a bright side. Yeah.

(23:52):
My kids also thought I was like, come, come look
at the new president. And they heard come look at
the new present, and they thought they were getting a present.
And so most of the inauguration was a bit down.
Yeah all right, let's take a quick break and we'll
be right back and we're back, and should we give

(24:25):
just a few of our inaugural impressions? Yeah, all right,
you go first, who are you going to do an
impression of? No? Come on? What what were you guys thoughts?
It was fine. I don't know, I'm I think to me,

(24:47):
I was just like, I'm glad he said white supremacy
the words out loud. I don't think. I don't think
presidents ever said that, especially during an inauguration, So uh cool.
But it's more like, you know, it's just I don't know.
I'm I was trying to take the moment for what
it was like, truly, just to you know. I wasn't
really able to relax after the election because I don't know,

(25:10):
because you know, because everything that fucking went down in
between men and today, um, and I was like, until
I see this motherfucker truly just turned into a tiny
dot on a plane and vanish into the sky, I'm like,
I don't know what to field. So aside from like
my immediate worry for the future of the country, I
tried to just let it be a pleasant moment where

(25:31):
there was trying to be some sense of like order
again in terms of like how this this thing worked
over there in d C. So that was I think
more than anything. I was just like that the energy
I was taking in more than like the individual details
for sure. Yeah, I felt a relief when it hit
noon and Biden didn't get arrested by Q and the

(25:54):
Q and on people were real fired up. But also
that was when Trump no longer had access to the
nuclear a coach, So I was do you see the
video where they were walking the football in No, I'm
not lying. That was truly the moment. I was like,
oh my god, okay, I just like there it is. Yeah,
just the time changing on my on my phone was like, yes, okay,

(26:16):
we can breathe a sigh of relief and then begin
to inhale a breath of air to right, like making
sure this guy delivers on a lot of the ship
that he promised people. But yeah, in the moment, it
felt nice and a man Gorman shout out to her,
Oh my god, yeah, he's very incredible. She's a star,

(26:37):
is what I said. When she's a star, look at kids.
You should watch her. She's a kid to look at her. Yeah,
I did think she was younger than she is. I
was like, this child has more presence than anybody else.
But she's twenty two. But I got very nervous when

(26:58):
I saw Bill Clinton talking to her loan afterwards. I
was like, can we like shut it down? You can
see the Secret Service guy tackle her, like like get
down here. Yeah, there was a whole just seeing it
was also just weird to see like the passage of

(27:18):
time that had occurred, because I vividly remember watching the
inauguration four years ago in my underwear and it was
raining in l A. And I was like, Jesus fucked up.
There we go and that American carnage fucking speech he
gave and it was like yeah, I don't know, like
then to realize that that we had gotten past it,

(27:41):
and but all the damage I was done, I don't know,
it was, it was a lot of It was just
very surreal, I think, to see it all happen. Yeah yeah, yeah,
definitely some relief and then other stuff that's just like
god damn it. There's so much to do, like and
there's so much to like hold to account. That's why
I think it's important to like treat this at least

(28:02):
one day. Uh, you know, as we record this, it's
still inauguration day, but like just to fucking remember, like
okay that that actually we can punctuate the end of
that administration. Yeah, and like feel the relief of that
and then still just be like okay, but now, you know,
keep the strength up to not just completely go back
to normal because the media is like love they're starting

(28:24):
out like eleven again, like we were talking narrative. Yeah,
they're like, who glad that was over? Like there, yeah
that no, back to brunch. I mean it goes without
saying that like that is garbage, but you know, it's
a good week to join your local tenants union. Um.

(28:46):
The we've been talking about just overall, like the the
idea that or I've been talking about this, the the
idea that the presidency is sort of a blend of um,
the monarchy and actually like having power to end the world. Uh.
And that was many They really like just the way

(29:08):
that all the pop and circumstance that goes into that,
like the it really like drives at home the god
ordained like religious nature of the Guttenberg Bible. Yeah. I'm
just like, okay, the political theater is a bit especially
in a year that's been all political theater and like

(29:30):
bad community polity. I was kind of bummed out, and
not like because I'm like, oh they sank He's gone,
but like truly Trump just took such a dump on
the idea of what this thing is that like it
kind of helped like wash away any magic or mystery
that I was sort of like, I'm like, okay, cool,
Like here we go with the fancy fanfare and all

(29:52):
this other stuff that for whatever reason, like I just
became more cynical looking at it, or just have the
feeling of like it's it's the value has been demand
inish to the point where it looks like meaningless. I
liked Bernie. I feel like Bernie Sanders's vibe was the
most appropriate of anyone up there, looking like he just
came from a Burlington cope factory, just with some Yeah,

(30:15):
he had Mittens on by like a teacher in Vermont
who like super dope, and the all the other presidents
had on those like O J is a toner black
leather gloves that I'm always How did those last? How
are they still like the de facto cold weather glove
for people? Are they comfortable? I've never worn leather gloves

(30:43):
my mom got like a promo pair for some movie
because she always gets all this stuff like from junks,
and that's a sinister thing to send someone the leather clubs?
Was it for the people versus o js? No, it's
for this TV show Fargo. Okay, No, they are a crime.

(31:05):
They're they're perfect glows. But I remember seeing him like,
what is this for people versus o j Obviously, but
I mean it's not like their leather on the inside.
They're just like fleece lined. So but there for when
when I wear them, I feel like a cop or something,
and I don't like I'm like, give me the mittens.
Aesthetic is weird? I liked. I like Bernie's mittens. I

(31:28):
like that he brought an envelope with him. He was like,
I'm going back to work, right Yeah, He's like, wrap
this up the post. I'm pretty sure the last pickup
point for this mailboxes in about thirty minutes and shout
out to social media. We we give social media a
lot of ship for bringing about the dissolution of society,
but the photoshop game with a photoshopping Bernie into various

(31:51):
like onto the New York City subway, onto various places
that he looked appropriate for was in full effect and
well done. Hell yeah, all right, let's say, uh, piece
out to that piece of ship um who just left
office and just kind of get our heads around you
know where he where he's at because he wasn't at

(32:12):
the inauguration, which was nice, God, thank god, Yeah it
was I didn't I didn't realize how I like, how
glaring his absence would be um after I don't know,
I was just like, oh, you really do notice when
every other living president is sitting there and the worst

(32:34):
person on earth is not sitting there. Right, Biden acknowledged
like in Jimmy Carter can't be here because old understood.
But but he did not acknowledge that. He did shout
out Mike Pence but yeah, and then salty punk motherfucker

(32:55):
you worked with. I guess I forget his name, but
he's not here, but yeah, he's satisfying. See Pence, Pence
get in the suburban and go away. It was nice.
I didn't even wake up to watch the Trump like,
get the funk out of here fest. I mean, I
just saw a couple of pictures and I'm not really
interested and give or give a funk about what he

(33:15):
said because piece the funk out, but I know that
the very least he did vow to return. Yeah, and
then the other thing that was coming along with that
is that, you know, he's also been talking about splitting
off Third Party talk now making the Patriot Party and
really taking his little fucking missing from misinformed humanoid toys

(33:36):
of supporters and making his own little thing. So that
would be interesting because that would be look a split
GOP whatever movement. Uh great, figured like I'd love to
see them try and unify against anything, but who knows.
I mean, but they're more alike than they are dissimilar.
So at the end of the day, it's more just
like the GEOP just wasn't outwardly racist enough for that.

(34:00):
Now I now have like a visceral reaction to when
anyone uses the word unity. I'm like, sounds like something
is on the way, saying okay fascists. Yeah. But I mean,
if if that does happen, that also opens it up
for actual progressives to break off from the Democratic Party,
which would be and then like, now what you're gonna

(34:22):
do because now we've yeah yeah, um, but so you
know he's down in Florida now, Uh, and he's you know,
the new reality that he's dealing with is setting in
for him. Uh, one thing that's gonna hit well, yeah,
you'd hope. So, I mean it kind of has to

(34:43):
because he's facing legal challenges and financially he's kind of fucked. Right.
Oh yeah. Golf courses are just been fucked by the
pandemic um and basically anything that has the word Trump
on it is just toxic and going into a death
spiral um. You know, like the places that we're making
money throughout you know, despite his brand toxicity and all

(35:05):
that was Bedminster in New Jersey, uh and mar Lago
and the Trump Hotel and DC because they were sort
of like these places where everyone would be like, oh dude,
if you hang out around there, like there's a chance
you'll intersect with someone in the administration. And that's like
where the power brokering was happening. But now that that
ship's poof like they're like they're like, oh funk that,
Like that might as well just be an abandoned like

(35:27):
fucking Halloween store or some ship. So now and see,
all these problems were before he tried to skull funk
the capital with the insurrection, so on top of that,
there's all this other fallout. So his forty Wall Street
property tenants are just fleeing. Girl Scouts of America are gone.
The p g A is like, dude, we're not doing
anything with you and any of your golf courses. The

(35:49):
City of New York's terminating all kinds of like contracts
with him, um and and more than anything, it's the
fact that he has no banks that will actually help him,
like his biggest creditor Deutsche Bank, who does literally business
with anyone fucking terrorists, narco trafficer, whatever the funk anything like,

(36:11):
we don't give a funk. If you can be clever
with it will turn the other way. They're like, sorry, um,
we can't really lend to you anymore. And right now
he's got about half billion dollars in bills okay to
two lenders, most of it is owed to Deutsche Bank.
And you know he these these loans are guaranteed by
by Trump himself, being his personal assets could be at

(36:32):
stake if he defaults, So you love to see it.
You'll love to see it. I yeah, I mean Deutsche
Bank dropping out on him. I mean, I'm I'm glad.
I honestly wasn't sure if that was ever going to
happen because they've been in business for so long at
this point. This is that was beautiful. It was beautiful

(36:52):
to see. Yeah. The thing that I think is weird,
right because he only they estimated he's got maybe what
a hundred fifty million in cash, So to make up
to that other three fifty that's going to require a
fire sale or some other dark shit. I don't like
if that means monetizing your knowledge of you know, being
in office and trying to sell that to people or whatever,

(37:14):
that means count on the good wheel, goodwill of Vladimir
Putin to I can't imagine you think this if he
thought the wires were tapped at Trump Tower, Oh yeah,
I can't imagine that. I don't think he can even
fart without fucking three feds like listening to relationship. So
I'm hoping for him like a lb J style ex presidency.

(37:37):
LBJ like the day he left the office, was like
all right, I'm gonna start smoking again, I'm gonna start
drinking heavily, and was like gone in you know, a
couple of years, just like couldn't couldn't hack it. And
like when you see pictures of him, he has like
long like a mullet and like long fingernails. Was just
like completely fell apart. Uh. Yeah. The other thing though,

(38:03):
just to dunk on him one last time, you know,
because I think we need to dunk on this fucking, shitty,
fucking guy as many times as possible. Um is his
legal troubles. Let's not forget the legal ship he's facing
New York. It's ugly. The New York Attorney General, Manhattan
d A. They're all looking into the Trump administration or

(38:25):
the Trump organization for tax shit. The Manhattan d A
is building a criminal case around that. Oh that's not pardonable. Um.
He also has death all the defamation lawsuits from the
sexual assaults he's been accused of. Let's not forget all
of that ship that. He doesn't have the henchman, the
agents of Fucory to delay this ship anymore. Like he's
just a regular violating piece of ship now. And he's exposed.

(38:48):
On top of that, the Washington d c. Attorney General
is looking into stuff around the inaugural committee and all
the financial ship that was going on there. Then the
attack on the Capitol. Okay, like that is another thing.
The fucking dominion voting machine stuff. Dominions suing him are
the dominions suing Sidney pal for a billion dollars. So

(39:10):
he is I don't the proper fucked, I think is
the word by all traditional measures. And you know what,
I will say this, like I hope there is justice
or whatever at the very least him doing on my
pillow informercial where he plays van O White to Mike
Lindell pass a jack um, where he's like, it would
be so fitting that he becomes second fit of to somebody.

(39:35):
But I feel like you'll probably try to do his
own kind of shitty master class thing, you know, like
trying to pull one of those to be like, how
did I like, because he's done that five hundred times
and now he's got this whole another like level of
evil clout to um, you're getting how to destroy the
world master class. You know, things around the table people

(39:55):
have been so you know, like they fell for his
Trump University. There was like a guy there's an article
and Reuters the ap about someone who was grifted by
a guy Trump pardoned, who like he's like, but I
support the president and he pardoned the guy who took
my life savings. You're like, uh and yeah, I mean,

(40:15):
there does seem to be you know, obviously, like like
we were mentioning up top, like America full of systemic racism,
passive status quo, white supremacy. None of that is changing
without the hard, brutal work, you know, that's the status quo.
It takes pain to make that change. But in terms
of like the the racists who felt empowered and like

(40:39):
legitimized by the Trump presidency, there does seem like there's
like an a very immediate reaction of either crawling back
in their holes or being like but what what what happened?
Like there? You know, there's still the people we we
talked about how Q isn't going anywhere. Q and on
doesn't go anywhere. But there are like a lot of

(41:02):
posts from people in the Q forums who are like,
I mean, there's legitimately a post that says, huh, I
guess we were wrong. Like there the guy says, fun
this sham. I want to puke like it just I couldn't.
I couldn't stop reading these screen caps from Q forums
of where's the damn storm? What happened? Why didn't the

(41:26):
plan work? The number one post on the Q and
On like their version of Reddit is just a guys
question work if it's also nice to see or like
kind of heartening to see that d platforming really like
it really does do something to properly d platform and

(41:49):
it's like it's still I'll never get over how long
it took um all the social media billionaires to d
platform Trump. But it's like had an immediate effect. It
really has. It's and it's I mean, didn't what's his
name Watkins made a post as well, Who's Watkins? The
Ron Watkins, the guy who is cute? Yeah, yeah, and

(42:13):
he's just like, well then, like the vibe of the
boss was like Q and On was was it was
more about the friends we made actual major Q and
On Booster, who some suspected of being Q himself. Post
Uh posted a note of resignation on his telegram channel

(42:35):
and his uh quote, we have a new president sworn in,
and it is our responsibility as citizens to respect the
Constitution as we enter into the next administration. Please remember
all the friends and happy memories we made together over
the past few years. What did piece of ship friends
we made around along the way. Yeah, but also now

(42:57):
to be like, let's let's respect the constitution. I don't
want any liability here. The words I'm saying is play
nice now, even though we were fucking gassing you all
up on this bullshit. I love also in that the
screen grab you have from that queue forum where someone
was like, do any and all federal agents browsing this website?
Every post I have ever made is satire. They're doing that,

(43:20):
and they're doing that online craft. You may not use
my post to incriminate me. Uh. Not fair, not fair.
I am sovereign. There's just when you get a little
too let's get loud and then get bad. Uh, there's

(43:42):
a there's one section I just want to read word
for word. Well, I'm the official laughing stock of my family.
Now awesome. And then someone this is embarrassing. Here come
all excuses now. And then somebody was responding to a comment,
so where is the shock and awe? Question mark? And
I guess this was like at eleven thirty, and this

(44:05):
person responded. Q also said noon exclamation point. I will
start kicking people, kicking people for their attitudes. We are patriots.
You stand here and hold the line with us or
you can leave your choice. Uh and Noon came and
went and it went fart he was not heard from.
Uh let's and then the final one in that is, OMG,

(44:27):
none of this was real. I mean, you know what
they if you have somebody that is willing to own
up that they came this far and it didn't happen. Um,
you know, maybe she's like, okay, so do you want
to talk about how do you want to make amends?
Now that's the thing I'm trying to figure out, right
because if clearly there are people who are like truly

(44:49):
or like what the fuck I played myself there? I
feel like there has to be a way to, like,
you want to capitalize on that energy to try and
get people to return to the information age on some level.
But Jesus, I do want to just play this one
thing of this Q and on guy who's so disappointed

(45:09):
at noon who is posting and just like come on, guys, like,
let's just to stay together. Well, patriots, we're all probably
doing the same thing watching this inauguration. You know, we've
been told to watch it carefully because a lot of
it could be nonsense, fake. Um, you know, only time

(45:31):
will tell, but you know, Simon Scott McKay, they've all
told us that this thing has to go all the
way through for it to be completed. The inauguration before
makes a move. So I think we're all sitting here waiting,
waiting for something to happen. I don't think this is

(45:53):
over yet, fellas, guys and girls inclusive. What about the
non binary que people? Know, okay, just making sure we're
que stands on that, alright, ladies and a gentleman. But wow,
they were yeah, they were really. The goal posts were shifting,
and like there were some other people on Twitter who

(46:14):
were monitoring in real time showing that they're like there
was a there was like a very distinct moment at
noon where a couple of people tried to push the
goalposts even further and people like, no, fuck this, and
like I started devouring the fucking like the thread. Don't
worry about it. He's just running late military precision by as.

(46:38):
I do wonder like if there's there, like there's a
clear need to like do some mass de radicalization, especially
for people who are newly um saying like, holy shit,
everything that I have been like burning every bridge in
my life and giving into every prejudice I've ever had
was based on this gigantic lie. And it's like, I mean,

(47:01):
it's not it's not. I wonder if there will be
some sort of figure or ideology that emerges that is
actually helpful in de radicalizing. I don't I don't know.
It's so like, what what is gonna what are which
direction are are these people gonna go? Right there? Does
seem like some of the institutions are losing momentum, Like

(47:25):
even Fox News is now like it's always way out
in front, first in the ratings, and now it's lagging.
It's third ever since the election. I think just the
fact that they don't have a coherent truth they can
kind of rally behind, like there, uh, the news part

(47:47):
of their reporting, like the stuff that happens during the
day just now completely contradicts the stuff that they're saying
at night. Um. Tucker Carlson is usually way out front,
number one in the ratings, he's now like fourth. Um.
And yeah, I mean that you're you're seeing even like

(48:08):
pulling shift around about pent of Republicans say they approve
of conviction in the latest poll, uh conviction of Donald
Trump in the in the Senate, which is an increase
from fourteen percent of Republicans saying that just like a
week before. And that's that's you know, the fact that

(48:30):
it's moving in that direction as we get further away
from the event is I think somewhat significant, right, Yeah,
I mean it's you'd hope. And that's probably like the
self preservation mechanism of a lot of these fucking ghouls
who are just absolute monsters the last couple of years,

(48:51):
being like, Okay, I'm gonna lean hard into this thing
and then maybe that will absolve me, or at least
people will weigh that against you know that all the
dumb shit I did because like we have this weird
thing in America too, or like you could have a
lifetime of being racist, but you could be like, no,
you know what, I think black lives matter, and suddenly
it's if it completely erased your history or like how

(49:11):
you've spoken about things. Not that people can change. But
there's a very cynical way of like trying to suddenly
be like, no, I'm on this side, to try and
appear like you have been correct, and I maybe there's
that and maybe we just benefit from that that they
just they so badly want to hide their own sins
that they they're just like sucking all vote for impeachment. Yeah,

(49:31):
but then we will continue to pretend. I'm sure a
lot of people continue to pretend or treat those their
fellow senators Congress people like oh, that was so great
of you to do that, even though like you raw
rod the insurrection and we almost all got got that's
I mean, then that's what's so infuriating about the unity
message that's being made literally two weeks after a violent insurrection,

(49:54):
like fuck off you know off? Um yeah, that's never
not going to be fucking infuriating. Guys, hug this weed
whacker that's on real close to your face. It's the
weed whacker. Unity with it. No, it's fun. No, No,
they turn it off or take the gas out and
then maybe we can talk, right. Yeah, it's it's so frustrating,

(50:17):
and it's like and it's so frustrating to have like
people in your life who were like, why aren't you like,
come on, let's all, let's all hold hands, like it's
gonna be fine. It's like that's not that's not two
weeks later language period, like if um, yeah, I need
to I need to check in with my family member

(50:37):
who went QUE and stopped talking to all of us.
I wonder how she's doing today. Yeah. I mean there
were people who are like on like extremism Twitter, and
they're like, you know, if if someone reaches out to
you who went Q and tries to come back, like
trying maybe make it, if if it feels sincere, maybe
you have a chance at it. But you never. But
it's like, it's weird now that we're also finding, you know,

(51:00):
trying to find like our empathy for these people who
are completely lied to, but but the fallout of their
misinformation diet was translating into direct violence. It's it's all
like a very fucking weird. It feels like a fucking
comic book where like like a Damon Lindeloff show or
like we're having an out deal with all these people

(51:22):
who are like wearing white all the time and not
talking and smoking cigarettes. I'm like, okay, hey, um, you've
done black pilling a second, let's be happy. I don't
know who how do we? How do I do this?
It's hard? Yeah, it's it's hard because you it's it's
like it feels like basically impossible to it's it seems like, okay,

(51:42):
maybe I'm off here, but just the way even the
tone of like the embarrassing messages on those forums is like, oh,
we were wrong, so like sorry are bad? Forgive us
right away, and it's like that can't be how it goes.
But then like how do you access your empathy to
like they? But it's like it's I don't know, just

(52:02):
the expectation of like, oh, whoop, sees, I have been
part of a violent desk gult for four years and
saying the most fucked up ship you can imagine and
believing it and now whoops, I'm sorry, so you have
to forgive me right away or I said it was wrong,
Like yeah, yeah, it just feels like I don't know
it just like forgive me, I'm gonna kill you. Yeah,

(52:24):
kind of like I don't know. Yeah, it's early doors process,
it's early doors. It's only fucking I D plus one,
so you know, guaranteed everyone's feelings are going to change
on it. But yeah, I mean, I just think of
how much things have shifted since the sixth of like

(52:46):
our understanding of everything, like what the funk to like,
oh my god, this is so putrid so yeah, we'll see.
I mean, you can see a lot of journalists on
Twitter right now who are like, if you've got cute
relative of uh and you've checked it on, hit me up,
trying to write an article on this right now. I
think that's like every journalist is trying to New York

(53:07):
Times wants to go to a Q diner to check
in with all the Trump supporters. Can't wait for that
episode of The Daily Yeah, we went to a que diner.
It's like just or just don't. And they had some
interesting thoughts, they had some pretty good ideas. They just
wanted better efficient government. And it turns out that they're

(53:30):
actually really sorry, yes, very sorry. Sorry. All right, let's
take a quick break and we'll be right back. And
we're back, and in the theme of dealing with having

(53:50):
stepped in ship and trying to you know, clean it off,
we come to the story of Army Hammer, who has
been in the headlines. You know, there's a lot of
sensationalist headlines about him being a cannibal and uh. But
it also seems like the more you dig into it,

(54:13):
the more it's a story of just a straight up abuser. Um.
And so we are joined by superproducer on A. Hosni,
who has been digging into this. Uh and yeah, Anna welcome.
First of all, Hi, thanks for having me. Great to
have you here. I say that as if I'm not
always just sitting here. Yeah, the first time a long time. Yeah. So,

(54:39):
I mean this is one that we you know, first
it first started hitting, was trending on social media a
while back, but we wanted to do some research figure
out what exactly was happening. Um. And it was something
that popped up for you because you were already following
the woman who came forward with the screen caps right

(55:02):
of her. No. So I was following Armie Hammer on Instagram,
and you know, I started to see all this stuff
come out about him on Twitter where people were saying,
you know, he's a cannibal and whatnot. And I was like, what, like,
what a what a weird thing to be accused of.
So I was like, I'm going I'm gonna look into it.

(55:22):
I was. I was genuinely curious. I was like, is
this person at cannibal like what he seems? So? And
I had to say, he see, he seems very bland
to me. Okay, I don't know exactly when I started
following him on Instagram just at some point um, and
so I was like, I'm I want to know more
and I want to understand why all these people are
talking about this. So I went deep. I went very deep.

(55:45):
I went so deep that I I there were a
few nights I struggled to sleep because of how much
I read into this, Because at first it comes off
as this like joke on Twitter of like ha, he's
a cannibal, he can eat me, like all this stuff,
of like he's so hot. I have no problem with that,
and it's like, Okay, you know, there's always some baseline

(56:07):
that this is this is working from. So like I
was like, I need to understand that further, and I
to understand like are these jokes appropriate? Like I truly
didn't know how I felt about them. You know, I
started looking further at the screenshots. I looked more at
the hashtags of his name on Twitter and on Instagram,
and that took me to this woman's Twitter at House

(56:29):
of Fi. Fi is e f f I E so
house of Fi. I recommend following her yourself if you
need to also go down this hole. It is very dark.
Let me just warn you beforehand. And so I started
following her, and she is the original person who accused
him of not necessarily being a cannibal. That was just

(56:51):
what he called himself in a screenshot he at one
point where I'm houn to percent a cannibal. But she's
the first one who accused him of basically creating an
environment that led to her abuse by him. So she
came out. She was of course attacked by people who
um follow and support him by like posting screenshots saying

(57:15):
that she's lying and all this stuff that she admitted
to lying, but I guess there was just a lot
of like photoshop work done to attack her further for
coming out to talk about this abuse. But if you
go and follow her on Instagram, which I did to
further kind of understand what was happening. And you know,
I I have a my first instinct, you have to
believe the women, like I'm sorry, you know, you might

(57:38):
see this person that you thought has been so bland
your whole life and just like an actor who does
interesting roles. But I feel like now more than ever,
we've learned people are not who they appear to be.
And I'm not going to diagnose him. I don't know
what's going on with him. He does seem to have
a lack of care of the situation, like he has

(57:58):
come out and called all these accusations bullshit. But it
appears that Armie Hammer has a UM. He's into a
kink known as c n C which is consensual non consent,
and so he likes to engage in, you know, dom
submissive relationships with women who um, I believe at the

(58:20):
time are consenting to be in a relationship with him
because he is who he is and he is very charming,
and that unfortunately led to a bunch of women um
being manipulated, gas lit and abused by him. And I
know I'm not saying I'm not I'm not king shaming.
C n C play it's also known as rape play.

(58:42):
If if both parties are consenting to this, there is
nothing wrong with that. That is their business. It's not
our business to judge them for having this kink that
they like to take part in. It is what it is.
People enjoy certain things and they get off on certain
things and situations like this too, it like ends up
harming those entire communities and attacking like further stigmatic in

(59:03):
communities for people who are like doing it safely and
with consent and not fucking power trip. Right. So the
problem with Armie Hammer that we learn in this screen,
in these screenshots is he does not use safe words,
which I've read further is if someone asks you to
take part in something like this this sort of kink
and does not allow you to have a safe word,

(59:24):
huge red flag because you need to be able to
protect yourself and you need your boundary set. It can
lead to places that you can get hurt. You have
to be able to say no and have the other
person here you. So he does not work with safe words.
He also did not provide much after care for these women,
and you know, I'm going to get a little graphic.
This included putting a belt around their neck and clasping it,

(59:48):
you know, cutting them with knives and sucking their blood
like very cannibalistic things that have been you know, like
dropped out because of like the media loves to pick
these little nug gets. Like one of his ex girlfriends.
She's an app founder the flash d app. I'm not
really that familiar with the app, Courtney Vussakovic. She came

(01:00:09):
out and talked to Page six about her relationship with
Armie Hammer Um and how it basically led her having
to go into a program for PTSD and trauma after
dating him because it was just such an unhealthy, toxic relationship.
The headline of her article said that he wanted to
barbecue and eat me. That's missing the point, Like there

(01:00:30):
was serious abuse going on, and that's what the mainstream
media picked up, you know, so like a lot of
that is happening, and we need to really focus in
on the actual abuse, the gas lighting, the manipulation, um,
the lack of care for these women that he's engaging in.
The CNC play with and house of Effie is the
one who kind of she came out and kind of

(01:00:52):
spearheaded this conversation, but many women have reached out to her,
and she's posted a lot of anonymous screenshots of other women.
So it looks like there is a giant group of women,
most of them who are too afraid to come out
due to the fact that there is, you know, an
a power dynamic of Army Hammer being an actor and
having power and having a group of people working for
him to try and silence these accusations. So if you

(01:01:15):
don't take our word for it, because you're like, I
don't know, he seems this this or that. I don't know,
you know, like go go look at it yourself, Like
when there are hundreds of screenshots telling you this person
is abusing these women, I mean, I don't know. Like
to me, it's pretty clear cut, like this man is
an abuser. He's a serial abuser. There's many women have

(01:01:37):
come forward. A lot of them have spoken out about
the trauma they experience in the fact that they would
have to go to the e R to deal with
certain situations that he put them in, and the fact
that he only commented on one thing, which is this
is bullshit. I will not take these accusations seriously, Like
I don't know. And then now it's like the the

(01:01:59):
the narrative is kind of me back around to him
giving this half ast apology, and it seems like the
only thing he's really going to be taken to account
for is dropping out of a fucking rom com. Like
it's even I especially I find the yeah, the media
angles that this has taken to be ridiculous, Like as
frustrating as it is to see the cannibal memes and

(01:02:21):
all this ship, it's like it's because of the headlines
that are being written, like no one is reading these
entire stories, and the fact that you are pulling out
the most shocking thing about it and ignoring the fact
that this is not funny. This is and I think
that Army Hammer benefits from people doing it, from people
making it like what a weird guy, why would you

(01:02:42):
do this, instead of saying like Army Hammer has been
incredibly accused of horrific abuse, Like it's all the headlines
that you read, even when you google his name is
all just like end those horrific d ms. It's like
that's where they just sort of ice a late that
it's like, oh, he's on the loose with the d

(01:03:03):
m s and yeah, completely. I don't know if that's
the strength of coming from a you know, dynastic wealthy family,
although I don't know he doesn't have access to that
money anymore, but like or that machine of just like
because it's almost like you like what you're saying. You
look at him, and we have this media fed like
idea that like the blonde haired, blue eyed white man

(01:03:23):
is virtuous and like there's a lot of hurdles to
get over to be like that guy is actually just
just uh um, perpetrating heinous abuse. Yeah, but yeah, I
don't know what. I don't know what it's going to
take for the conversation to change. It's almost like the
cannibal thing is working on the same level he was

(01:03:44):
working on to like kind of smoke screen his abuse,
where like the idea of Kank and b D s
M is a screen and that's like the story focuses
on the cannibal ism and not the fact that women
who were in relationships with him said they were abusive relationships,

(01:04:06):
and like that's kind of how he was working where
he was like, no, I'm just like a kicky guy
who is into these like very specific types of arrangements,
and it's like, no, that's how you are screening, probably
from yourself and from others the fact that you're an abuser.
Like this GQ headline sums up the inability of like

(01:04:27):
men to hold each other accountable. I mean, assuming you
know Gentlemen's Quarterly, But like the headline is army Hammer
cannibalism allegations. How common is a cannibalism fetish? Which is
like so besides the point, it's still such a thing
where it's the way that these stories, like I it's
going back to what you're saying, and it's just like

(01:04:50):
who who are we believing and why are we believing
them versus why aren't we believing other victims? And what
does that say about like where we're at in terms
of actually believing victims of abuse. And it seems like
part of the reason no one was believing um house
of Effi at the first at first is because she
didn't have any power and no one knew who she was,
and so it was very easy, especially when it's someone

(01:05:12):
who doesn't have a ton of cloud and power. That
seems to be one of the only ways to really
get your story out in a meaningful way. And I
find that so fucking bleak because it's like, here are
a ton of women who have credible, you know, accusations
against this guy, but none of them are, you know,
have a ton of power. And and you always see

(01:05:34):
these kind of contrarians being like, well then why didn't
they like bring it to the media, white like, for
all we know they fucking did. It is so hard
to get stories like that reported. There are so many
stories about famous men that have almost gotten reported and
then they get pulled at the last second for whatever
fucking reason. And I feel like, especially after, like it

(01:05:57):
was so upsetting, but all so um, I don't when
when FKA Twigs came out against shy Ala buff like
last month, that was a huge thing and and and
I think it certainly helped that she had some power
in that situation. She she you know, people listen to
what she said because she has a certain amount of

(01:06:19):
cloud and she has a certain amount of people who
are going to listen to what she has to say.
But I don't think that that is always extended to
just normal people who are like so often the victims
of abuse. I just fucking hate it, man, Like, if
you ever have the thought in your head, like why
didn't they just bring it to the media, it's because
it's fucking impossible. It's literally fucking impossible. As someone who

(01:06:41):
has tried time and time again to get stories like
this broken, it is, it's it's a miracle when it
actually happens. So yeah, it is so Also another big
thing is like when people say why didn't they leave,
why didn't they stop? It's not simple like that. Yeah,
you're you're talking out of person who aid on Also younger,
more vulnerable people, Like when you're stuck in this sort

(01:07:05):
of toxic relationship, it's not like it's not easy. There's
nothing easy about it. It's not so black and white,
like you can't just be like, I don't know, that
may be uncomfortable. I'm out. Some people might be able to,
but some people cannot. So you have to respect that
they're in their own position trying to figure something out.
And it looked like it took the House of Effie
years to come out about this, years to try and

(01:07:27):
discuss this, and I think a lot of the women
still feel like they can't come out about it because
they're so scared, because the power dynamics are so unbalanced,
Like you can't, I don't know. You can't blame these
people for, you know, not being able to get out
of a toxic situation on top of them, you can't
on top of that, you can't blame them for not

(01:07:47):
being able to come forward sooner the second it happened.
You know, it's just you're you're putting in an impossible
situation and it takes a lot of strength to put
yourself forward. Like House of Effie did um. We don't
know this woman like we don't know her name exactly,
Like she is keeping herself private for a reason while
at the same time being followed by almost seventy people,

(01:08:08):
and yet this is still not mainstream news. Seventy people
are reading what she's writing and following her, and yet
still not mainstream news. It's just something about how like
he's got a fetish Yeah, yeah, it's just it's just like,
I mean, these headlines I feel like just say everything
about like, well is this you know, I hope that

(01:08:30):
this story continues to get like actually responsibly covered, but
so far there's just fucking I think it's you know,
we have these sort of inabilities to describe things as
they are. We have a media apparatus that isn't equipped
to talk about consent, to talk about abuse, to talk
about white supremacy, to talk about a lot of these things.
So like it ends up and it's like, oh, some

(01:08:53):
charged language from the president because you don't you don't
have the actual critical thinking or the experience to look
at it and say, oh, no, this is I need
to describe this as it is rather than like euphemistically,
because there's a pattern, I guess in the culture of
like reporting on these things in this country to be
very euphemistic and yeah, like it's the like the balance

(01:09:16):
of headlines that are actually you can tell they're trying
to indicate like their elements of abuse allegations in this
story that actually need to be looked at, and ones
that are like whoa like wild man Army Hammer admits
to secret Instagram account that's two days ago, you know
what I mean. And it's weird because this a lot

(01:09:36):
of these are also coming from like the tabloids who
like we're loving him before, you know what I mean, Like, oh,
look at him, he's like wow, bla, we love picturesque
family that you can tell like they're it's like they're
having trouble putting this person down or like understanding how
severe the situation is versus just pivoting to like the
easy headline that sort of ignores how serious something is. Yeah,

(01:09:58):
and I also just want to say to me, like
the most telling thing is just kind of the lack
of shame coming from him, like he all these screenshots
were looking at their from his verified Instagram account. He
doesn't care, like he's I don't know what his situation is. Again,
I'm not going to diagnose this guy. I'm just saying,
like his actions are also very telling to me, like

(01:10:23):
he's just kind of acting like, well shit, And to me,
it's like, Okay, if I was accused of abusing someone
and I look, who knows how how i'd react, but
I would react. I don't know. Like to me, it
feels like I don't know what this guy's deal is,
but it feels so flippant the way he's acting about it.
And that's like and I'm truly going off what I've

(01:10:44):
read in the tabloids of how people have been seeing
him acting. So I don't Again, I don't know anything.
But like to me, it's like that's that's not good.
We shouldn't have someone who's so like that's a scary thing,
Like that's a scary person to be out on the streets,
like to me in my opinion, because like it makes
me incredibly uncomfortable. Again, like I told you, when I

(01:11:05):
first dive deep into this, it fucked me up. You
you just you you feel like you just never know
who people are. And this situation just has scared me
in a way of like who are these people hiding
in plain sight? And we should be more diligent and
pointing out abuse like this because we need to protect people,
and we need to protect women who again women we

(01:11:30):
get murdered by men. Like it's not even a joke
like this that we don't know what could have possibly
happened between Army and these women. We don't know anything.
There could be women who are so truly abused that
cannot speak out, Like I feel like this is there's
this is just like truly the tip of the iceberg
in my eyes, Like I hope more women can come out,

(01:11:52):
but it's a dark place. And I just also want
to point out when you are tweeting this kind of
stuff of like he can eat me, Like you're doing
that in spite of these women who suffered abuse from him,
So just think about that before you just call him
accounibal and try and laugh about it, because like I
can't even imagine what these women are going through. And

(01:12:12):
how like much of a meme this turned into, like yeah,
so I'm sorry, I've been deep guys, and uh, I
just want this to be taken seriously. Yeah, And it's
also like a very harsh reminder that there that there
are only certain kinds of victims of abuse who are
made space for in the media, and even that is new,

(01:12:33):
like having space for victims of abuse at all, but
this story just clearly indicates that there is not you
know that there it's I feel like there's just still
a lot of attention given to quote unquote the perfect
victim and there that's not how it works, That's not
how the majority of abuse goes. And just like educate

(01:12:55):
yourself on this ship because this, like this media narrative
is helping to really just army or his career should
be fucking over, but all he had to do is
drop out of a single movie, Like it's it if
his career rebounds from this I'm fucking joke or flying
um Yeah, yeah, I mean that that also goes back

(01:13:17):
to kind of one of the like just the amount
of incentive that is there for you know, each each
actor at this level is kind of their own like
corporation that has like people whose entire job is to
make sure they get that next role so they can
get like, uh, their next paycheck, and so they're you know,

(01:13:40):
I think one of the tweets was, yeah, and then
he benefits from the most nepotism, Yeah person can benefit from,
right he is Yeah, he comes from generational wealth. He
comes from that whole like level of privilege and just
removal from any sorts of consequences or the reality that

(01:14:01):
the rest of us deal with. Um, he's a six
four like good looking guys, so he has that going
like that against his ability to experience reality. And then
he has an entire you know, a company of people
around him who are working around the clock to make

(01:14:21):
sure that he is marketable. So like, it's just the
levels are incredible. Uh, and yeah, thank you an A
for you know, doing the research and coming on. Of course,
I want to had one thing now, you know, after
having watched Call Me by Your Name and really thinking
about it in retrospect, it does come off as a

(01:14:42):
movie that is about grooming and for be a young
man to be the like love interest of this older man.
And I don't know, these things are not sitting right
with me anymore now that I'm making all these connections.
I don't like this, and I think we need to
pay attention to that. I mean to pay attention to
the work they're making and be like, well, what's going

(01:15:04):
on here? Because like I'm just saying, we need to
be asking questions even when your army hammer. You don't
just get away with it. There has to be a
ton of complicitness going on around you, um, in order
for things to stay quiet this long. Like it's yeah,
are so depressing because you just you know that there's

(01:15:25):
just so many of these stories that literally cannot get
out because of the systems that, um that kind of
keep victims oppressed or keep them scared. Yeah. Yeah, I mean,
whould have thought the great grandson of a guy who
is just blowing up the coal, just making a bunch
of coal, pumping gas like friends with Al Gore's dad. Uh, Like,

(01:15:50):
you know, like leads to a culture where I guess,
like it's it. There's like there's funnels for a lot
of these people to end up like the way they are.
But like when you look at this, you're like this
just looks you know, when there are people who walk
around here thinking they can do whatever the funk they want,
and they're they're in environments where they see that there

(01:16:10):
are very little consequences for their actions, and then it
gets to places like this too. And also just like
you're saying, and there's also just a lack of accountability
with other people who are again don't want to rock
the boat or whatever. But at the end of the day,
what you're doing is you're putting someone else at risks
just to save yourself the discomfort of saying what's right

(01:16:30):
or or actually protecting somebody. Yeah, they think they can
get away with it, and for centuries they have literally
and even I mean especially with like I guarantee, if
he gets called out on this, which he probably won't,
he will say, I'm sorry, make a donation, call it
a day, and not change his behavior because that's just
how people fucking work. That's like every person who worked

(01:16:51):
with Woody Allen in the last you know, five to
ten fucking years, if they get called out on it
and they're like, ops, my bad, I'm so oh you noticed,
I'm sorry. I'm gonna give you know, I'm gonna give
a thousand dollars to this place, and then, uh, you know,
I don't need to answer and I don't need to
think about this critically, just like ah saw that, huh,
like you fucking knew when you worked with you know,

(01:17:14):
Woody Allen in you fucking ship head, Like it just
is so the the level of disingenuousness. It's not shocking,
but it's just sometimes it's so playgrant. It's just yeah,
yeah on a where can people find you? Follow you? Here?
You all that good stuff. Um, I'm at Anna host
n A on Twitter. But again, if you want to, um,

(01:17:38):
learn more about what's going on. But it's very serious
trigger warning. This is very very dark subject matter. You
can follow at House of f E that's E F
f I E on Instagram. Just request you will. You
will learn a lot about what's going on. And uh yeah,
just you know, remember to believe women. Okay, just believe women.

(01:18:00):
A lot happens behind closed doors, and this the way
we react to it is why people do or don't
speak out to talk about their own abuse. So it's
very important to give space. And I know it sounds
like very therapy talk, but it is. We have to
give space for these kind of things, not therapy. It's
just like I need people to feel comfortable speak out

(01:18:26):
about their abuse. So but also therapy for society too. Yes,
we do need therapy. I guess all the same thing. Jamie,
where can people find you and follow you? You can
find me on Twitter dot com at Jamie Loftus help Instagram,
Jamie christ Superstar and listen to Lialia podcast. Yeah, uh,

(01:18:49):
where is there a tweeter some of the work of
social media you've been enjoying. Yeah, there are two inauguration
tweets that I like to The first one I was
Julio Taurus who said, uh, he's quoting Amy Klovichar. Uh,
well that was great Amy Klovichar, right after j LO saying,

(01:19:11):
which it did fully happen. And then this one, this
is hard to describe, but it's okay. This is from
Sarah Camplin. Uh. It's a picture of her cat as
j LO saying let's get loud and the cat wakes up.
I'd hope it's really funny. Let's get loud. Really Uh,

(01:19:34):
you know it's sustained. It really sustained me. And let's
get loud everybody. I mean, yes, yeah, I don't know
what it is, whatever that means to you, Let's get loud.
Oh I love a vague platitude. Anyways, those are my tweets.
Miles where can people find you? What's tweet you've been enjoying? Twitter,

(01:19:55):
Instagram at Miles of Gray. Uh. Also for fiance a
four some ninety day talk. Some tweets that I like
one is from the at Q and on Anonymous from
the Q and on Anonymous podcast, they tuted I trusted
the plan and all I got was this stupid feeling. Yeah,
you know you hate to see it. Also, another one

(01:20:16):
is from at Out from the Zone. It's a picture
because you know, Lady Gaga and j Lo like greeted
the National Guard like on their way into the Capitol,
just you know, to make nice and stuff like that.
But there's this photo where like it's Lady Gaga like
in her very like this cool white thing. It's not
like her the dress you war to sing. It's got
some like white cape code on standing upright, and there's

(01:20:37):
like these soldiers like like right across from her. And
the caption is find Brittney Spears free her like this
like they are like, yes, okay, thank you, Lady Gaga.
Will I had one? I had that same picture, Bring
the National Guards done this year right that that picture
caption by Mike Tag Find Madonna bring her to me. Everyone.

(01:21:01):
Everyone's gotta take on that one. Uh. I'll just I
liked Brendan o'har's tweet Biden finds left behind baron Trump
wandering the White Hall, White house Halls. Hey man, that's all. Uh.
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(01:21:48):
Time to roll up? You know that fucking pack Let
him know, goodbye, good raidings, rolled up your career. This
track is called rolled Up from Many Sings in Mac
DeMarco and it's just nice and easy. Just put it on.
Do what you ever, do what you do to relax,
you know, rub your own feet, rub your partner's feet, uh,

(01:22:09):
sip of something, but yeah, just take a fucking deep breath, y'all. Uh.
It was what an awful, awful period. And for those
of y'all who got more focused on what is happening
in our world, thank you, because the more people that
are doing that, it will help ensure a better outcome
for all people. So uh, take a deep breath, and

(01:22:31):
well keep on, keep it on, really right? Hey, are
you gonna go bold? I'm gonna go extremely bold. Yeah,
where they put I'm gonna dare I say, I'm gonna
get loud. That's all you're gonna say. You're just gonna
get to the ordering windows, say let's get loud, and

(01:22:54):
they're just they're like say less. All right, all right,
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