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August 14, 2024 26 mins

In this edition of It Trends With... Controversy?, Jack and special guest Pallavi Gunalan discuss the Ryan Reynolds/Blake Lively/'It Ends With Us' drama, horses being smarter than we originally thought (because humans are arrogant as hell), Mr. Beast's many, many controversies and much more!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of It
Trends with Controversy, a play on it it ends with Us,
But we've already done it ends with Us as a
trending title. But now we're not talking about it as
with us. We're talking about the controversy, aren't we. I'm
a very special guest co host.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
I am so excited. I have so many questions.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
I need to know what is going on with Blake
Lively and Ryan Reynolds.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Oh so they're married. Yes, that is that what you mean?

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Okay, I'm done, see you all right?

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Good.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
So that's that they're married. They have four kids.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Four kids.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
She had the fourth one in like January or February
of last year, which plays into this controversy.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Actually, uh oh, okay.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
So Blake Reynolds or Blake Lively Ryan Reynolds, they both
have movies coming out or have come out.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
They had.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Ryan Reynolds had Deadpool and Wolverine, which was very funny
and I am going to see it again. And I
did really think it was funny, and there was like
people in theaters were laughing so hard.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
I missed some of the extra jokes.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
So I'm going to separate the art and the artist
for the purpose of this controversy explanagh. So I think
in like twenty nineteen, Jessin Baldani, who you may have
seen in Jane the Virgin, and he also has like
an anti toxic masculinity podcast with a large Instagram following,
and he kind of promotes like men being vulnerable and.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Gentle and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
He bought the rights to this Colleen Hoover book Colling
Hoover is also a controversial figure in twenty nineteen, and
then they adapted it and then he it was supposed
to be like his kind of like not vehicle, but
like his project, and then he brought Blake Lively in.
But then people started noticing on the press tour he
was kind of doing it a lot of it alone

(01:52):
or like independently of the other castmates, like he was
often featured alone. And then people noticed that like other
castmates had like unfollowed him. And there was this interview
with Jenny Slate where she was like, oh my god,
like he was directing and acting in it at the
same time, because Jenny Slay is also in the movie,
and they were like, what do you think about that?
Like isn't that wild that he was doing both? And

(02:13):
then but they kind of meant for it as like
what was it like to work with him? But the
way she answered was, oh my god, yeah, like I've
thought about doing two things at once, but i think
I'm okay with one, Like she fully avoided what it
was like to work with him, yes, And so people
are like, this is weird. And then on the press tour,

(02:34):
Blake Lively made this comment about the rooftop scene having
been written by Ryan Reynolds, like he was fully invested
in her work. And also they noticed that the press
tour was kind of like her. It kind of became
like a Deadpool and Wolverine press tour as well, like
they kept referencing that or bringing that in. So they
were doing like husband and wife press tour together. And

(02:56):
so she said that he wrote this rooftop scene at
this event, like she he wrote a full scene, and
people were like, that's fucking weird, Like he's not in the.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Movie, right, and so not in the movie. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
So at the New York premiere, Blake told e that
they help each other. We work together so much. The
iconic rooftop scene, my husband actually wrote it. Nobody knows
that he wrote it. He works on everything I do.
I work on everything he does, so his wins, his
celebrations are mine, and mine are his. He's all over
this film. But then Christy Hall, who's a screenwriter for
the movie, was like at the same event, was like,

(03:33):
as she told Hollywood Reporter, as a writer, probably the
most difficult scene for me to crack was the rooftop scene.
I have to say Colleen wrote it perfectly. I wish
I could have just lifted it from the pages and
put it in the film, but it's a little too
long for film languages. And then people came back to
Christian was like, hey, like Ryan, what about what? Like?
She made these comments about Ryan, and Christy went, I'm

(03:54):
very proud of my work, and I do feel like
the beats that needed to be honored in that scene
are preserved and they're there. Again, Colleen did it best,
did it first, and it's from her. I do think
that scene is a really beautiful reflection of what she
penned from the beginning, and that she wasn't aware of
any input from Ryan. She was like, there are a
couple little things that I thought had been improvised blah
blah blah. When I saw the cut, I thought that
was cute. That must have been acute improvising. So if

(04:15):
I'm being told that Ryan wrote it, that's great, how wonderful.
There are a few little flourishes, you know, And if
Ryan it came from Ryan, that's wonderful. So it's kind
of weird that Blake is like, my husband's in this.
My husband did this. My husband, my husband, my husband.
And another thing that Blake has been criticized for on
this press tour is that I don't know, I feel
like she has like a side business. I forget what

(04:36):
it's for, something that she's kind of been like plugging
it and her relationship with her husband. And then like
the Deadpool Wolverine, instead of talking about domestic abuse and
instead of having like a serious tone about what the
film is about. Yes, Justin Baldani had like is like
the villain in the film, like he's like it starts
as this like romantic thing and then turns into abuse,

(04:58):
which is.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Often how these relationships start.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
And so Justin Baldni has been going around having the
correct and appropriate tone being like less than what the
movie is.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
It's it's why we made it.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
And I'm and if there is someone who is like
her character, Blake Lively's character, who sees it and makes
a different choice for herself, that's what this movie is about.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
And he does it in a really eloquent.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Way, and you know, like and Blake's just been like haha,
like kind of not exhibiting that she's suffered in any
way at any point in her life, and so people
are taking sides. People are confused. There was also like
a TMZ article about how Blake Lively felt that the
kissing scene lasted too long, and she's told multiple people

(05:43):
there are a lot of reasons he made her uncomfortable.
There was one scene where we had to yeah Baldannie
where he had to like lift her up and he
went to his and he has back problems, so he
went to his onset trainer and asked how much she
weighed and how he could train himself to protect from
his back injury. And she felt self conscious about that
because she just had a baby, and so she was like,
is he fat shaming me? When really he's like, I

(06:05):
have a medical issue, And so people are trying to like, yeah,
I'm back shaming we're.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Trying to take sides.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah, he was doing it for himself, so people are
trying to take sides.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
It's very weird.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
I think it's one of those things where Blake and
Ryan's kind of Hollywood couple. Time is like in terms
of like being in the limelight in a positive way.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Time is up, like people.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Are starting to find them now yeah, and disconnected and like.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah inside them since they had that plantation wedding.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
And they had a plantation wedding.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
People are also like all of them are Zionis, including Balgoni,
so like what are we doing? They're like, why are
you so invested in these celebrities and taking sides and stuff.
I'm very interested to see what else comes out, especially
like once the movie's like done and they're off the
press tour. I want to see, like how if we
get any more nuggets from like Jenny Slate you know.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Right, yeah, yeah. I feel like those stories come out
in like the books that they write after their famous,
you know, like when they're when they're aged. Yeah, all right,
any any have you seen it ends with us?

Speaker 3 (07:21):
No? I'm not sure if I'm going to Okay, I
don't know if I do. I don't know if it's
like a movie that i'd see in theaters.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Okay, well you did see the Superhero movie. So you
are contributing to our descent into an ip fueled healthscape.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yeah, it's pretty fun. It's a raucous ride into this hellscape.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Hey, speaking of animal superpowers, right, Wolverine has got animal
based superpowers. Horses are. They're not like that smart, but
they're like smarter than we thought. They're like pretty pretty smart.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
They built the pyramids, built the pyramids.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
They're starting from a very like with a Larry, very
low bar, but so based on their performance in a
game where they were trying to earn treats by touching
a card with their snout, horses just leaped up a
couple levels in terms of our understanding of how smart
horses are.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
I think it's pretty fucked up that we came up
with money and then we're trying to force that on
other animals. We're like, work for your treats. It's no
longer a barter system or foraging. You have to earn
this shit.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
And we can tell they're smart because they're responding to
our money.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
But yeah, so basically the added level of complexity. So
the way it had been going before they touch card,
they get treat, and then there was also a stop
light that if it was on on they wouldn't get
the treat, and they were trying to determine if the
horses would notice that the stoplight was not getting them

(09:08):
the treat, and the horses just kept hammering the card
with their nose and they were like, well, these horses
are fucking idiots. Move on to the next animal. But
then somebody added a new step where you had to
basically like do a time in the penalty box if
you hit the card with your nose when the stoplight

(09:31):
was on. So they added a penalty.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Okay to the game I am dumber. I'm learning that
I'm dumber than a horse.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
The other night I had.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
To play a Jeopardy themed show like on stage Oh,
and the buzzer would punish you if you press the
button before the host finished this question and pressed his button.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
And I just kept pressing the button.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
I'm too excited.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
I was like, I have the answer, and then I
wouldn't get the answer because I got penalized by the
buzzer system.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
It was like starting on Mario Race, where like you
get panalyzed for touching it before it starts, you have
to hit it, like right at the moment.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
I can't hold it back.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
At that show, someone told me after from the audience,
so we're like, you really represented well for the ADHD community.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
And I was like, I haven't been diagnosed with.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Adh Is this my diagnosed? Since?

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Were you like pressing the button really hard? Is that
why you can see?

Speaker 3 (10:28):
But also I was being a comedian and yelling out
silly things and stuff, but that was that's there, And
like a lot of my friends interpretation of my personality, right,
I refuse to be diagnosed with one more thing I'm holding.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
We've got plenty full boat diagnoses. It's so anyways, they
instantly switched strategies in ways that indicate horses have a
higher level of cognitive reasoning than previously thought possible. Suggests
that rather than failing to grasp the tenets of the game,
the horses had understood the rules the whole time, but
Astuteley had not seen any need to pay more attention

(11:07):
to the rules in the second stage until there was
like penalties. So yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
They're like the smart kid that like coast through high
school and only or like or doesn't care about the
results in high school because they're too smart for the subject.
And then once they get to college they're like, oh,
I actually have to pay attention again, actually learning.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah so this Brian the editor points out that this
is highly reminiscent of Clever Hands, which was a horse
whose owner claimed they were able to perform arithmetic and
after a formal investigation, do you know that story, Like
they would like ask a horse how much like three

(11:51):
plus two is, and then the horse would answer by
like kicking it to like five times, and people were like,
this is amazing. Horse is a fucking genius. But then
they realized that the horse just had like the way
that people say that like dogs have an incredible like
innate knack for reading what we want from them, like

(12:14):
they read human faces really well. They realized that, like
the it could tell when its human owner wanted it
to stop kicking basically, and like knew when it was
like right answer time.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
This is like cop dogs like being told to freak out.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, yeah they're racist because the cop is not because
the dog is racist. But anyways, I don't know, I
find horses very kind of mysterious and magical, and so
I'm glad to hear that there's a lot going on
back there because like the way they described what the horses,

(12:52):
what they thought horses were, They're like previously research had
suggested that horses simply respect on to stimuli in the moment.
They don't proactively look ahead, think ahead and plan their actions.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
They're just like that is such a like a human
thing to think though, Like I swear with every every
animal we as soon as we just like give it
a benefit of the doubt and try to think outside
of how we would think about like dominating and like
because like they don't they don't know what like that
they have to play a game, you know what I mean,

(13:26):
they don't. This is like when they put the bear
up against Kobyashi the hot dog eater, and they were
like Kobyashi's winning, He's winning, and the bears like, I
don't even know that I have to eat these hot
dogs right now, Like maybe I don't fucking feel.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Like it, you know, right, and then in one swoop
he like beats them.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
But I always feel this way about animals, Like I
watch I like am part of like a dog rescue,
and I watch a lot of rescue videos of just
other animals as well, and like, cows are fucking smart,
pigs are really smart.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Like all of these animals have.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Their own motivation and their own intent and we don't
like generally allow them to have that. We expect them
to perform according to our standards, but they're all individuals,
and so the more you pay attention, like like cows
love playing, just like dogs love playing, you know, Like, yeah,
I don't know, I'm always I'm always like yeah, that
that fully makes sense for us.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
You know.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah, the cows when they play with us can just
destroy us and crush our skulls. So we're like, ah,
let's just protect that they can't.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah, well, I mean they're just Brian was saying that
the horse is being gracious for letting us ride on
their backs, and it's like literally, like animals are so
sweet and so loving. I mean, obviously there's predators and
everything like that, but like the amount of shit they
let us get away with because we have negative intentions
but they don't.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
It's crazy, like fucking wild that, like great white sharks
have even been discovered to be like much nicer than
anybody thought. Yeah, it's literally the guys who's like that. Yeah,
I just have like generally good vibes and I like
can swim with great white sharks and they don't heart me.
Like we have to create movies where it's like, oh no,

(15:05):
this bear is I mean, bears will eat your ass.
But like you know, uh, I mean, especially right the
joke we're going to the break on, We'll be right

(15:28):
and we're back. Wow. Brian the Editor is revealing himself
to be a real col lover. Cals love music. Some
of the best YouTube content is cows just vibing to music.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
I definitely read that as best because he said Whitey
and I definitely read that it's the best white content content.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yea of the best content that Whitey's are making is
more cow bell. Hey, speaking of content Whitey's are making
on YouTube, mister beasts, Uh.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
That was incredible. Give it up for that transition.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Thank you. So he is doing a real world squid game.
He saw a squid game and was like, damn, that
is great content, just the game.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Part missing the entire point of.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Ignoring the dystopia moral detail that was the whole point.
He's like, Wow, those rich guys had a great idea
for content, so he brought one thousand contestants from ages
eighty two down to gen Z to Las Vegas to
fight for a five million dollar prize. Round one to

(16:38):
the death.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Actually yeah, it was to murder each other.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
So they all got there and he was like, psych,
it's actually two thousand of you. So it's like I've
changed your odds, like made them way worse right off
the bat without telling you. Then the games began and
it apparently had more in common with like firefest thing
you might have inspect Two of the contestants who were

(17:02):
on a team that got eliminated said that it was
a challenge to get adequate sleep, food, water, and medication
for dinner. Quote. I had gotten a hard boiled egg,
two slices of cucumber, and basically one third of a
stick of celery that was also cut in two thirds,
two Carris diet and a quarter cup of plain oatmeal

(17:24):
which sucks. Water was not readily available. They were giving
cans of liquid death too. They're giving cans of liquid
death to drink on camera though, because they were a sponsor,
and of course feastables Mister Beast's snack brand to eat
in front of the camera.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
I'm sorry, mister beast is like what twenty four or
something like that. Yes, he should not have two thousand
children to take care of, like two thousand dependents in
your home or wherever the squid game's warehouse is like,
he should not be in charge. I know, Like it's insane.
He's the head of like a big giant corporation. You're

(18:06):
never going to guess that. You'd never guess that. It's
a total disaster like that. There's all sorts of.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Like harassment, and he was just like, oh, I guess
I'm going to hire like a head of HR that's
like the big multi million dollar company he had even
at somebody.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
There's a lot of stuff coming out about him.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
There is a part of his con a contract that
or part of like the the information that people read
when they join the team, and one section said no
doesn't always mean no, And it wasn't in reference to
like the type of consent that you would expect, but
it was in reference to like getting their YouTube content.
Like if you go in and you ask to use

(18:47):
a place or you ask somebody to do something, like
they may say no right away. But keep trying to
get them to participate in the YouTube content or something
like that, Yeah, which is problematic in and of itself,
but also the fact that this individual became such a
megacorp type person, like that should be no, that phrase
should be nowhere near any any orientation materials you have,

(19:09):
Like that is insane.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
And then it's also like what drives the content, Like
if you've watched his content, it is people doing terrifying
things or just like grueling things for money.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
It's it's coercion, Like it's manipulation of manufactured consent in
a way almost.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, which is why people like it so much. They're like, hey, yeah,
this is like what my parents have to do every day.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
There's also another individual who was interviewed kind of like
its own weird YouTube video where it was like edited
in a weird way by the person interviewing. But there
was a person, Jake something, who had done a lot
of content with him like a few years ago, and
then like asked for more money for his friend who's

(19:57):
a father, and like they both got fired and they
asked for more money, and he felt really guilty about that,
but like he did he kept being desperate to be
featured in the videos and he got finally he got
his break, and they put him in solitary confinement, and
it wasn't like full solitary confinement in that like they

(20:17):
occasionally he would ask like there was like very limited interaction,
but they kept the lights on, which fucked up his
sleep because they wanted to get enough video. They did
it for like thirty day. They were supposed to do
it for like thirty days. He didn't last that long
because he was becoming like mentally more and more unstable,
which it is like Geneva conventions like warfare shit.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah, he does war crimes to you for money, like yeah,
and you try and win money, and he.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Was like asking for things they weren't giving him. He
like didn't like like a lot of YouTube videos are faked,
so it's like insane that they couldn't just like fake
this one too, because that's all also come out that
the Misterbeats videos are fake.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
But we all kind of knew that they.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Were going to actually excerpt this for an advertisement for
Mister Beasts, being like I can't believe they're not fake.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah, yeah, like I accidentally signed something by joining us soon.
But he like really basically like tortured the friend he
was supposed to get, Like, however many hundreds of thousands
of dollars he got less than that because he didn't
last the whole time. He made him complete just like
horrible challenges, Like one was him running a marathon in
solitary confinement, and that I think was like his breaking

(21:28):
point because he didn't have any training.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
He was in this fucking room, you know, and and.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
He did it because like he like he was out
of he was mentally like broken down. And also all
this money was dangled over him, like the longer he stayed,
the more challenges he did, the more money he got.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
So it was just fucking insane. And then Brian is
also bringing.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Up there's a pedophile association with mister Beasts and his
like group of friends and stuff.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
I don't know, yeah, yeah, don't.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Left the company. That's like the big thing that they're
you know, in crisis mode on. They have like an
external law firm that is like looking into it. But
the person who is this, you know, the source of
the the person who's alleged to have committed the acts,
is like one of the main people on camera and

(22:22):
like a big person at the company, h Ava Chris Tyson.
So that's yeah, it just seems like there's a lot of.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
It seems like there needs to be like a proper yeah,
like hr proper legal, proper whatever.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
But yeah, the proper like unionized shoots. Like that's the
other thing is that he goes out of his way
to like have non unionized shoots, and like the shit is,
like people are getting hurt on the in these challenges,
Like according to The New York Times, more than a
dozen people were injured while filming filming the first portion
of the Beast Games in Las Vegas that we were
talking about, where they were fed like carrot sticks. One

(22:59):
contestant told the Times that she left bruised and bleeding,
and the consolation prize was like they each were given
one thousand dollars, but they were only giving it on
camera and then asked to give give it back like
off camera, and they were like, you'll get your money later.
We so sorry, We just like don't have the money
on us right now.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
The main ethos of the show has nothing to do
with helping people. Like when I didn't know anything about
mister Bass, when I saw that he was giving like
a thousand people there or one hundred people their vision
back whatever it was, yeah, for cataracts, And I was like,
that's fucking great. Like I don't care about charity in
public as long as those people consent and as long
as like good things come from it. But it's very

(23:40):
obvious that, especially from this conversation with that Jake person,
that like mister Beasts would come in and say like
what he thought like a human should say in order
to get the like to feel like he's on like
he's not going to get in trouble or be like
on the right side of things or not have people
say he didn't say or do certain things, you know,

(24:02):
But it seems like the main thing is to like
get his content. He's been making YouTube videos of him
like like doing shit to himself and his friends since
he was a child. Like this is not a normal
avenue or like a normal motivation for a career to
like fuck people over on camera essentially, So like he's

(24:25):
like the amount of empathy he has, I'm very unsure of.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
He's the most famous person with like kids who are
like ten to fifteen, Like they're just like my nephews
are obsessed with really like he's yeah, yeah, he's like
the biggest stuff in the world. That is so and
I feel like, yeah, the on one hand, yes, it's
cool too that he is like helping certain people if

(24:51):
he is, you know. On the other hand, I also
feel like it said not that. Yeah, it's and it
makes it like who needs taxes when you have Mister Beest.
You know, He's just it's like the lottery, you know,
just people being like, well, I'm just gonna like win
a Mister Beasts challenge and then we'll be good and.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Like what's promised isn't given and like yeah, it's just
so yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
A thousand dollars like that really seems to undercut the
whole thing. Is like he's giving people money on camera
and then asking them to give it back off cameras.
Pretty wild. So if that's true, I think that was
in time. Time Magazine has been on the Mister Beast beat,
So we'll be keeping an eye on this corner of
the internet. Paulave, what a pleasure having you as always?

(25:38):
Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?

Speaker 3 (25:41):
I'm at Paula Viganal and p A L l A
v I g U n A L a n I
am everywhere. I am online too much now since I
am currently unemployed, and I also am gonna have shows
at the comedy Store. I have a monthly show, Cultation
Recognition Comedy Show's August twentieth at eight pm in the

(26:02):
belly Room. No, maybe not at eight pm, I don't know.
It's in the belly room. And then we also have
one in September. I'm also going to be going to
Arizona for the Big Pine Comedy Festival at the end
of September, so I will be there all right around
Keektai or whatever.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
We are back tomorrow with a whole last episode of
the show. Until then, be kind to each other, be
kind to yourself, get the vaccine, get your flu shots,
don't do nothing about white supremacy, and we will talk
to y'all tomorrow. Bye bye,

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