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In episode 1926, Jack and Miles are joined by actor, musician, and co-host of One of Us, Fin Argus, to discuss… Trump Tried To Drown Out The Epstein Survivor Presser With Jet Flyovers…, Smartphones Are Making Your Hemorrhoids Worse, The Growth of Executive Function Coaches to Fix Our Corporation Ruined Brains and more!

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4. White-collar work is breaking people's brains. Some are turning to unorthodox coaches for a fix.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Found oyster. That's the spot next to Besties that I
was thinking of found oyster.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Oysters freaked me out.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yeah, not something that I want to have like found,
you know, I want them very meticulously for me.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Yeah, to be raised in captivity. Yeah, oysters, not yet.
I don want to come upon an oyster.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah yeah, I just found it out on the sidewalk
a minute ago. Do you want to know, because that's
the thing.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
I know vegans who started eating them because someone came through.
It's like they lack of central nervous system.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
They're oh.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah, no, I remember that whole that whole conversation happening,
and I just couldn't care less because that I would
avoid oysters like the deacon.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah yeah, I only know one person who used that
to be like, oh I'm meeting that every other vegan
And I was like, nah, it's still registers. It's like
a animal because it's in Ah Like no, well, it.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Just still registers as nasty as fuck to me.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, it is a snot based food.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Finn, You're a kicky girl and I'm a nasty gal.
I like my shit's droopy.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Oh okay, I'm happy for you and think be different,
and that's a good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
I love that for us. Hello the Internet, and welcome
to season four or four, Episode four of Dirnely Guys.
It's a production by Heart Radio. It's a podcast we're
taking deep to have into American chair conscience. It says Thursday,
September fifth, twenty twenty five. Feel like to speed run

(01:42):
this bitch Friday. It's Friday, September fifth, twenty You want
to work again tomorrow, that's up to you. You're and
your guy. Nah, we're almighty dollar.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
It's also National Kiyanti Day. To compare that with some
fava beans. It's National Food Bank Day, National Lazy Mom's Day.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
The fuck does that? Okay?

Speaker 1 (02:00):
National beat Late for Something Day, National.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Cheese Pizza Day. Okay. I hope Lazy Mom's Day was
invented by a lazy mom and not like a dad.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
In nineteen fifty seven by Rick Stebling.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I'm gonna look into them, the inventor of the homemade
lie detector.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
I guess this National Lazy Mom's Day again.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Huh? What the fuck? Rick? See you later. I feel
like we needed to speed run this episode because we
left our guest waiting for a long time and then
also ended up talking for like twenty minutes for the
guest before we started recording.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
And it was a conversation.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah. Yeah, it was a lot of fun conversation about
snot based foods that maybe we can get into. My
name is Jack O'Brien aka Potatoes O'Brien, and I'm thrilled
to be joined as always buy my co host mister
Miles Grass Miles Gray, He's.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
The smoke blood went past A long.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Time later joined our Heart podcast talking.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
To guys with mister o'brown.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Second, Rachel, We're doing fine.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Okay, shout out Hanah ram if you shout a handah
SOULDI for that Heart of Glass. Okay, been a Minnehannah
where you've been yal mischief.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Great to hear from her. I love how just ambitiously
high you went from the start Heart Glass. You can't
be like you a smoke bud with like nah.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
It's very castrato of you. I was inspired, Oh thank you.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
I just saw the film Farinelli and was inspired by that.
That movie is it's I My mom took me to
this Italian art film when I was seven years old,
and it's about a castrati uh and I kept asking mom,
what's happening? What is what are they doing to him?
Why is he in that white bathtub? It was very,
very freaky film. And you said you just saw this. Yeah,

(03:59):
I wanted to tell you, like just turn eight. No,
and I was bringing it back. Sorry, I just rewatched
it because I was like, did I see this? And
I'm like, oh, my parents, look babysitting was at a premium,
so like, you're coming with me to see this film
that's not children.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
So it was one of those that felt like it
was maybe a fever dream.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, yeah, probably because I'm like, there's no way my mind.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
And then I remember my friend also went, like a
really close family friend of mine, and we were both like,
we saw that movie Faranelly right together Faara and Nelly.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
I think it was a famous was a famous castrati?

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, yeah, it's a film about a famous castrato from
the eighteenth century.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, that's some spooky stuff. I had this movie that
I swore I made up, and it's actually a super
popular movie. But the Batman returns, the one with the pimblem.
I no, I swear I made it up because I
just had this intrusive thought all the time of some
like you know, dripping wet man biting someone's nose off,

(05:03):
And I was like, well, like you just.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Had that part in your head.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, And I was like, certainly that's just a nightmare
that I conjured up when I was a toddler, But no,
it is because we had the VHS and I would
watch it all the time, and I only discovered that
it was a real moment from cinema until recently when
I went through all of our old vhs is and
I watched that and You're like, yeah, it was real
flash yeaheah. And I was really holding that against myself

(05:30):
for conjuring such a horrible image, the.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Black stuff coming like, there's but black stuff that comes
out of his mouth. It's it's a lot. It's thanks
a lot, Timber Miles. We're throwing to be joined in
our third seat by a very talented actor a musician
you've seen in shows like Queer as Folk and the
other two come on favorites, one of our all time.

(05:58):
They also appear in movies. Little slang term I like
to use for pictures that move moving pictures. Okay, you
guys have to check these things out. They co host
the wonderful podcast One of Us with standout guest Chris Remfro.
On this very podcast, please welcome the multi talented Finn Argy.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Good morning, good morning, Good morning, Finn. Gotta say bit
starstruck because I loved you and the other two. I
couldn't stop laughing at your character, which I thought was
so fucking genius. Just the whole construction of that character
fucking took me out.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
So thank you.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
I'd love to be able to thank somebody for the
laughs face to face.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
So I'm honored. I'm honored. My friend Gilly also wrote
that character, like Pitch, the character in the show, so
she is she's to blame for that.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Ah, thank you. Yeah, yeah, that.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Was so much fun. I lived in New York for
like four months, and the character, as as you might remember,
is like kind of in just in the background a
lot of the time. Yeah, Like I'm not I didn't
have a lot to do except for be creepy in
the background of shops. Thank you, thank you so much.
But it was the best four months in my life.

(07:21):
I just got to live in New York in two
days a week. I would stand in the background while
these incredibly talented and funny actors did scenes in front
of me. It was it was the Princess track. I
had the best time.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
I just loved just there was always something getting in
the way every time. Yeah, wonderful, wonderful.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Carrie just wanted to get it in.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
But yeah, preparing for a role, it's you take your
craft seriously, you know.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
I really do. No, that was a really fun character
because I also had this like, prior to doing that,
I hadn't really done any comedy. I had just done
heavy dramas, and it felt good to make fun of
myself a little bit.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, yeah, that's so. Are you from Los Angeles? Are
you from the City of Stars as nobody calls it.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
I grew up a small town called the Splains, and
I moved to LA when I was fifteen. I actually
started acting when I was twelve.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Oh wow, Yeah, did you move to Did you move
to the oak Wood when you first.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Moved out here?

Speaker 3 (08:25):
No, close, though, I moved to what was referred to
as the Artstone at the time. It's by Ava, of course,
like every apartment complex. Yes, but it was kind of
like the oak Wood Light like it was close enough
and it had the same energy, like, oh, yeah, yeah,
that's where I lived.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, it's it's what's like one of three places where
people who move out here to act when they're young
end up.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
It's one of those. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
It was the artstone for me, and I loved it.
Does a dream come true? I moved out here and
I was doing like little Disney stuff and the intention
was to be out here for a couple of months
in the summer and then go back to Illinois because
it was a month to month apartment. And then I
just started booking things.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Too damn successful for that. Illinois Sorry Plains. Yeah, I
feel like I know that it's a small town. It's
just I think I've been mispronouncing it day plane or something.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
How French ship you Yeah, I know, yeahs. It's known
for a couple of things. The first ever franchise McDonald's
was built there, but there they tore it down.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Is mentioned in the Uh John Stevens concept album Illinois.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
I don't think the I don't think the town is
mentioned by again, but there is a reference. I mean,
there's a whole song John Wayne Gacy Jr. And unfortunately
he you know, kidnapped people who went to my high school.
Oh my, he was also arrested in displays. That's where
the final arrest was made.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
That's that's so two very clown like clown based things
happening in your hometown, and then you become a third
a proud tradition. How many podcasts was part of a
proud clown clown based tradition.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah, and I hate clowns, but I did find myself
actually inspired by Chris Renfro to do clowney drag so
that's fun. Yeah, living up to my legacy.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
And did I read that you have some kids bop background?

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah? Yeah, that was my job singers. Yeah when I
was twelve.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yes, that's the only way manager.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
To be the tour manager. And it's crazy, you know,
between algebra class and that's from gym. But no, I
made it work. My parents were very supportive. I didn't
open casting when I was twelve. I just sent in
a video of me singing and dancing and playing my
instruments and wearing my I actually did costume changes. I
changed my Fedora like twice.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
I was really into sh I thought I was like
Minnie Jason Moras. Okay, and in a lot of ways
I was, yeah, except for just not nearly as good
of a singer. But I was twelve. Yeah, I was twelve.
I watched that video recently. Yeah, and it is crazy.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Your VHS rewatch. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
No, I can't remember why it came up. My friend
did a sketch at there's this sket show at UCB
called Asketch and it's just like a monthly hour long
sketch show. And they did a sketch called adult Spop
where it's just former kids pop kids who have grown
up into capitalize on that success, which is the story

(12:04):
of my life.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Sure, so trying to reach those heady highs the early Yeah,
there's nothing like singing the kids bop version of thrift
Shop to like really make you feel like you're living
your purpose. Oh shit, what so, like, do is there
one that stands out to you as like your peak
kids bup moment?

Speaker 3 (12:24):
I think it actually was thrift Shop And I'm not
even joking, Like it was so funny and silly bars
that every time we performed it, because we did we toured,
We did like full tours around the country and sometimes
up in Canada. Uh So that one was always the
most fun range.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Can you just can can you just give me the
lyrics for the chorus into the first verse because I
only remember, I know that it's twenty dollars. I'm hunt
looking forward, come up. This is fucking awesome. And then
then you say like, what up, I got a big cock? Yes,
Like opening line is walk up in the club?

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Like, what up? I got a big and kids Bop
changed it to walk up in the club, like whatever,
I got a hit song.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
That's why I'm so pumped.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
He got some clothes from the thrift shop. There you go,
this is so awesome.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, this is really awesome, awesome, Yeah, it's super super awesome.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Just replace fuck with really and it'll usually work. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
I want to reel you.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Kids Bob does choose some crazy songs to cover, though,
like songs that shouldn't have made the cut, like thrift
Shop for example. But sometimes it's even it's even more
like innuendo than that, and they just like throw a
random word in there and call it a day. I
know the guy who does it, forty year old gay
man and he's just having a blast.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Good for him. Yeah, that must be a great gig
to just be like I kids bopify regular like hit songs.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah, and that is his job, Like there's he's not
like overseeing well things, it's like that's the thing that
he does.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, I don't know if you would, I would assume
it's like an entire factory of people doing that. So
the fact that it's one person is pretty yay.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah, well maybe there is. There's got to be a
writer's room actually, now that any think about it, but
I only knew one.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Sure. All right, well, Finn, we're thrilled to have you here.
We're going to get to know you a little bit
better in a moment. First, a couple of stories we're
talking about. We're going to talk about Trump trying to
drown out, the Epstein survivors press conference with jet flyovers,
specifically one of the survivors that was speaking and has

(14:39):
an interesting history with him. Also, just any title, any
headline that starts trump tried to drown ye am assuming
the worst? Yeah yeah, sorry, I wrote Trump to drown out?
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but I was assuming there were
babies or kittens involved. Maybe we'll talk about smartphones making
your hemorrhoids worse? Is that plenty more? But even worse possible,

(15:06):
all that plenty more. But first, Finn, we do like
to ask our guest, what is something from your search
history that's revealing about who you are? Oh?

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Goodness, well, I'll see what tabs I have opened. You know.
What I will say though, is I don't have a history,
Like I'm just on incognito, so there's nothing saved. Wow,
not that that's like mostly private or something.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
But I just activated.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Okay it taps that I have opened right now are
Edwin Jonker Height. He is playing Hades in Hadestown right now. Okay,
I think in like Australia or something Australia.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Oh, also, weirdly, I have task Master Australia open.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Are you going to Australia or are you doing tasks
for someone who's in Australia show?

Speaker 3 (15:58):
This is just some Yeah, it's a it's like a show,
a comedy show where comedians do menial tasks and then
they're in they're performance.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Got it? Okay? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Oh best times to visit Japan I looked up recently?

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Oh yeah yeah, fall and spring apparently. Yeah, that's what
AI Overview has to say about it, Like fucking AI
is taking my job as a Japanese person, I fucking
hate it.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Have you been?

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Oh yeah, many times, many many, all the time, all
the time.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Every season.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
I'm really excited to go. My friend lives in Tokyo
and I have been meaning to visit for years now,
so I'm very excited.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Oh no, it's it's it's a good time. Although, you know,
the fascism is creeping back up over there too, a
lot of japan First nonsense bubbling up again. But anyway,
no one's safe on this planet, you know, no one's safe.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Yeah, I haven't felt safe in years.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Good good, good, good good. That's good. That's a real way.
That's good.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
That's good shock for those of us who have not
felt safe here after.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Edward Edwin Jonker, How's how's the celebrity or you know
a person who I'm watching on something? Height is always
a fave search of mine. What what'd you find out?

Speaker 1 (17:18):
He was six too, and I was actually surprised because
they usually cast like people who were at least six
five to play hades.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Wow, I don't know why, but that's just a recurring theme.
So he is, as far as I know, the shortest
hades to the.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Shortest hades today.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
But he looks great doing it, and that is ultimately
what I saw, and he was saying it and he
looked fabulous, and I was just curious if he was
six foot seven real?

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Was he giving six foot seven? Yea, like, were you
like or was he not?

Speaker 1 (17:52):
And that's why you said, let me just look up
the this is he's not giving me six y five,
give me two.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
I was guessing like six four in my hearts, so
I was still off by a bit. But he did
seem a little shorter than I.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Was used to.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
It was like I thought maybe it was the angle.
I couldn't see anyone standing next to him. I think
that he's trying to keep his height under wraps to
keep the job of hades.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
No one during the rehearsals. Don't tell him I'm six too, okay,
I'm standing no one near him.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
It's actually a really weird production where everyone's just sort
of in the side of the stage even when he's
not in the scene.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, just doing dialogue from the wings exactly. Because there
are actors who I feel like present taller than they
actually are. I do wonder if they cast their friends
and the people they go out in public with to
kind of keep that illusion alive, you know. Yeah, I
how much of your friend group are you basing around

(18:51):
that kind of mind there towering over you a six
to two that presents i'd say taller than six too.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
I present as six too. I wear a shirt that
says I'm six too.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
I like you to do the people think how tall
are you six?

Speaker 3 (19:08):
To just have a card, It comes up a lot.
I'm six to one, and I really resent it because
I would love to be the size of a quarter,
like physically and actually.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
The size of a quarter like the coin, the coin, Yeah,
just just to get around the pocket.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah, yeah, I just want to be kind of like
a like Thumberlina a borrower. Yes, yes, yes, yeah, that's
my greatest dream. We got to have dreams, I know. Yeah,
And it's important to have unachievable dreams. And I have planned.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Oh I think you're going to get there. I think
you're going to get there based on.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
What I've heard, the trajectory you've been on, coming from
Displaines all the way out to Hollywood.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Next thing, you know, anything you put your mind to
turn into the quarter with great Yeah, no, it's in
my future hair. I usually we don't bring up our
guests hair because then it would put pressure on every
time we have a guest one to comment on their hair.
But I think we can in this one instance. Yea, say,
Finn has incredible.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
That main should be posted on Maine.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Wow, I'm honored, thank you so much. I'm actually about to.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Cut it all off.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
Yeah, you know what, you know, you know this whole thing.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
But this it's been growing out for a bit six
two now.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Oh wow? Yeah top not I six Uh.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah, I'm tired of it though it's so hot. And
I actually I was brave and I turned off my
AC for sound and I'm dying in here with this main.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
All right, quickly, we'll move on to the next thing.
What's something underrated?

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Something I think is underrated is I just finished watching
this show called Dragon Age Absolution, and it's based on
a video game, and it is so good and so gay,
and I don't know anyone who's watched it, and I
was actually really surprised that it was gay. Uh No,
I don't know. I just I watched a lot of
animation and to get main characters that are gay and

(21:04):
don't like die immediately after they kiss is so rare,
especially in fantasy, Like it's this phenomenon. If there are
gay men in any like genre, they will be like
star cross lovers and probably won't even get to kiss,
but you'll just know that they are lovers and it's implied,
and then one of them will die and that happens

(21:24):
every single time. It's crazy. So this one was great.
There's actually like half of the main cast is gay
and they're out here sucking and fucking and you know,
fighting dragons. Oh yeah, I loved it, and I don't
know of anyone who's watched it, and there's only one
season in six episodes, and I'm pretty sure it's canceled,
but in the way that Netflix doesn't cancel stuff, they

(21:45):
just never renew it, right right, right, Yeah, So I
think people should watch that.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
It's Oh it does a voice on there too, Mort
Burke's wife.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, pretty cool. Ashley Birch, yeah, Quitian.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Oh yeah, such a fun character.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Dragons are really you know, I have a nine and
a seven year old, and like the most popular book
series right now with kids that age is Wings of Fire,
which is just a book series where everyone's dragons, like
like the characters themselves. Yeah, yeah, dragging, yeah, just dragging

(22:22):
it all. Yeah, and they're yeah, everybody seems obsessed with that.
Like I am searching on a fairly regular basis wings
of Fire adaptation, Like there was a project that was
in development that like went away, but it's a so
when daddy is there, like, are we going to get
a wings Fire? Do you think it'll be? Like when

(22:43):
I'm in high school? And so I think.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
That's that's when I kept asking my parents about an
X Men movie as a kid.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, when are they going to make the movie?

Speaker 5 (22:53):
Or this?

Speaker 2 (22:53):
When's the movie? Like you gotta wait, gotta wait?

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Have a potential recommendation for kids, and well Dragon ages
yeah great. And then also there is another show called
The Dragon Prince and I'm sorry, like my hyperfixation is animation.
I watch it all the time, so I could go
on and on and on.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah, The Dragon Prince is amazing and it's a lot
of TV. I think it's like seven seasons, maybe even more,
but it's pretty dragon heavy, and they talk and they
have personalities not.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
All an out here too.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, it's really great. It's actually one of the producers
I think of Avatar, the Last Airbender made thish Okay,
I see a Parallel might have been one of the
creators too, But the voice of Sokka is the main
character in this show and it's great. It's also I
think like not enough people watched it. But that's how

(23:48):
I feel about Like all of my underrated things are
just animated shows that no one's heard of. Like Infinity Train,
Oh my god, is the best show ever. I just
found out a mutual friend of mine wrote on it.
I had no idea and it's so good, but you
can't find it anywhere because it was lost in the
merger of like Warm.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
One of those Yeah, fucking there's so many fucking shows
like that.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
And it's so many animations too. Like a couple of
my favorite shows are just nowhere to be found now,
right Infinity Train, Summer Camp Island, and I would literally
I'm saying, don't torrent, No, no one torrent ever except
for maybe.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
If you do want to watch these shows, then you should.
Except for Metal, you really shouldn't because of like that's
really bad to do. But yeah, or find or find
maybe some people from the crew and vemo them some
money out of guilt.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
You know, you should yeah, actually that's the sweet thought.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
I'll yeah, sorry, I just bit torrented the whole series.
Here's like thirteen bucks. Can you slip that amongst everyone?

Speaker 2 (24:45):
So, did you steal from the oil industry? Yes? Then
why would you steal from the film indo? I said, yes,
all right, the first flock. I gotta stop using the
oil industry. That's the worst example. Let's from the cops.
Let's take a quick break. We'll come back, talk overrated
and get into some news. And we're back and Finn,

(25:20):
we do like to ask our guests on this show,
in addition to what's something you think is underrated, what's
something you think is overrated?

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah? You know, I was thinking about this a lot
over the last couple of days, and I was trying
to come up with something more interesting. But the answer
I kept on coming back to is just chocolate.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Wow, chocolate in general.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Yeah, chocolate and being right were the two things that
that kept on popping up for me.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Do you think you're right about this take about chocolate
being overrated?

Speaker 3 (25:50):
I honestly don't care either way. It is good you're liberated.
I'm liberated. I like being wrong. I like admitting when
I'm wrong, and I like failing at stuff.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Oh my god, I gotta go to that therapist. You're
talking about the big blue building on Fountain, right, Yeah,
that's the one. Yeah, okay, I'm gonna blue building on Fountain.

Speaker 6 (26:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
My therapist is really cool. He's been in a lot
of Mission Impossible movies.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
That's sick, okay, so encouraging her lot of energy, like
almost an overpowering amount of energy.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
It has the energy of someone who sicks too, but
is ultimately five seven five.

Speaker 6 (26:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, you see in person, you don't know it. You
like most actors that I see in person, I'm like, wow,
much smaller than I was expecting. Tom Cruise walked past him.
I think he might have been hovering a few inches
off the ground, so that might.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Have me Nicole Kidney, she hovers. Oh yeah, yeah, she's
gonna never see her toes touch the ground.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
She has fucking ourra She moves through wat she moves
through the earth like in a Spike Lee floating shot.
This is funny because you asked about Mars Attacks. There's
a there's a character in Mars Attacks. There's like this
big alien woman and she like when she moves, you
don't see her take steps like she's wearing a long
dress and she just glides.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
That was what Nicole Kimmer was doing ye when I
saw her anyway. But chocolate, really, yeah, chocolate, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
I mean it's good and I'm not saying it isn't,
but I think people are just obsessed with it and
it freaks me out. Sometimes it's just like like, yeah,
it's good, but could you shut the fuck up for
a second.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Wait, what's give me an example of someone who is
obsessed with chocolate that is feeding this over it up.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
It's like, I don't like chocolate that much, but I
can't be that it's good. But then people are like
are dying for it, like they want chocolate cake. It's
double fudged chocolate with chocolate frosting. And I'm like, can
we take a breath? Like can we throw some some
like vanilla butter cream on here?

Speaker 2 (27:55):
No?

Speaker 3 (27:57):
As they wear yeah, and then they me hard and
I don't understand.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Know.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
There's like chocolate stores, Like I walk into a chocolate
store and I'm like, okay, yeah, but it's all chocolate.
What is there?

Speaker 1 (28:08):
There's a chocolate dispensary in Echo Park that's like called this,
and so many people walk in thinking that it's a week.
They're so wet like weed chocolate, and I'm just like,
that's how they get your ass.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
It's chocolate.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
It's for people, purveyors of chocolate. And you want the
people who are already high to then go into the
chocolate store. Then people trying to get high, but maybe
like they'll remember by some miracle that they went into
the chocolate store after they find the real dispersery. Yeah,
I'm making a joke about.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Munchies, you got, Yeah, the monkeys. I have been there though,
and I was just like, these are all just chocolate, chocolate, right,
And the one thing they I was I was like
excited to try. They had a shot of chocolate of
like melted chocolate and and you know what, it was

(29:03):
just chocolate, you know, like it was And I think
that I personally, y'all got it right the first time,
Like a chocolate bar is great, put it on it's more,
that's fine, but it's gone too far and I have
to put my foot down. I do think chocolate is overrated.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
This ends today.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah, the one time I had something that was chocolate
that was new and I was like, oh, okay, that's
something different was when I went to Spain, like and
they drink hot like they're hot chocolate.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Did you like a churo out there? I was like, oh,
this is a fucking vibe kind of half hot chocolate,
half like melted chocolate. It was like so rich, thick. Yeah, yeah,
it's you're basically doing dippies.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
Now look at us, we're going off like a couple
of Chocolate's what I'm talking about. Like this is bring
up on someone's podcast that chocolate's overrated and they're like, actually,
that makes me think about how fucking good chocolate different.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
It'll change your life.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
It's it's it's unexpected.

Speaker 7 (30:05):
You think it's going to be a solid, but it's
it's drinkable and you can dip your chiro into it
and achiro. This is what I'm talking about. Like people
are obsessed with chocolate and that's fine. It's just I
personally think it's. Yeah, it doesn't do much for me.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
It does remind me of like people who are like
I don't eat, Like, I wouldn't waste my calories on
a sweet thing like that unless it has weed in it,
you know, like that that's a just specific things. Yeah, calorie, yeah, yeah,
being like, well, that's a that's wasted if it doesn't
have weed in interesting. You know people who are like

(30:41):
weed in everything. I don't know. Maybe I just know
like a couple of people like that.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
I don't know if I've.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Been listeners, he's not taking shots of me, because that's.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Not I'm not You're not a weed food consumer.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
No, No, I don't need to eat weed all the time.
That's like I don't even like. I don't even like
edibles because they just make me sleepy. I don't get
like those that I see other people off edibles.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah, what's the ya relationship to weed? Are y'all out here?

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Weed and I have been in love since junior high?
Yeah we're sweethearts. Yeah we were sweethearts.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Bout your sweethearts? Yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah. And
I'm sober so I don't partake. Also, when I wasn't
sober and I smoked weed, I would have a nervous
breakdown every time, and I kept doing We powered through
a Jackie because I wanted to be cool.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
I will be a pothead if it's the last thing
I do.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
I just want to be chill, like everybody else. You
just age so fast because of the stress. Every time
I smoke weed, I age like a president. Oh my god,
you are so like Lincoln in eighth grade.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
I I feel that I stopped h smoke looking about
it a year ago. But I'm I'm sober, and yeah
I do. I do miss it sometimes, But uh, I've
never had that inkling to like. I don't. I don't
like edibles. They always freaked me out. They made me
feel crazy. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
No, you're on the right track.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
You're on your way to being becoming a quarter fin
and then you want to focus on that.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
You stay off the weed. You got beautiful hair, You're
going to be an LSD become.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Next time we have Finn on, they might be a
quarter Poe entirely.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
My therapist did give me actionable items, and so every
day I'm one step closer.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Let's do that quarter affirmation every morning.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
You are a quarter.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
You are you are even though I'm not a quarter.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
I wholly and completely accept myself even though I'm not
a quarter yet, I wholly and completely accept myself.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Now that's a quitter's mentality. You just have to nuts
you got to do it. You need. You got to
accept yourself, and that's part of the e f T.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yeah, like my other what was the under underrated thing
or overrated like failing?

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Oh yeah, being right?

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Being right is overrated.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Yeah, that's true, that's true. Love. I love to admit
that I'm wrong. Yeah, I love to learn that I'm wrong,
and then yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
I love to learn from the listeners I'm wrong, and
then I ignore it exactly because my ego cannot handle it.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
That's true. Yeah, No, I get it. I think I
kind of like the process. I do feel like dumb,
so it is it is helpful to kind of embrace that.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. The only people I
trust are people who can admit that they're dumb a
lot of the time. Oh yeah. Well, one thing you
can do when if somebody is saying something that suggests
that you're wrong, is you can drown them out with
a jet engine. Is something that I've seen attempted fairly recently,
such as on Wednesday afternoon, when a group of women

(33:59):
that have suffered abuse from Jeffrey Epstein and Gilane Maxwell
held a press conference with representatives Thomas Massey and Rocanna
to speak out talk about that some for the very
first time, and yeah, it was powerful.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Oh yeah, I mean every person that spoke, they were
all urging members of the House to back the discharge
petition that Thomas Massey is trying to get through, basically
saying like, if they get enough signatures, they can force
a vote and put everyone in the House like to
a vote to be like, are you going to release
the Epstein files?

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Or no? I Mean, I don't know what that will
do long.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Term, but hopefully enough people will support it. And that's
what was one of the points of this press conference
was to actually bring these survivors out to humanize them,
to show that this is not a fucking hoax. These
are human beings that suffer untold fucking horrors with Epstein,
Maxwell and all of the associates, and you know, all

(35:00):
of everything that these women said was like really powerful
about how like the lack of transparency and justice has
like prevented them from like being able to move forward
with their lives and like even be able to so
many things are hazy to them because of the trauma
that like they are having trouble piecing together what even
happened to them. And like I said, many emphasize that
Trump's like hoax defense is just bullshit because what they

(35:23):
experienced was very real and requires justice swiftly. But in short,
the press conference was a blow to Trump and the
idea that this whole saga is some kind of Joe
Biden's smear campaign. But like you said, Jack, Trump was
probably not doing well with the idea of these people
speaking publicly because you ordered to fucking military jets to
do a flyover near the capital as a way to

(35:46):
interrupt them.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Is that like that that's definitely that's just so yeah,
it's just like so transparent. I don't know. Again, Like
I've talked before about like I took a week off
of the show and came back and like the first
thing that hit me is just like how obviously guilty.
Everything he's doing is like being against the release of

(36:08):
the files just from the start. It's like so just
suddenly being like, actually, I don't think we should release
him at all. It is like so wild to do.
To use your power as the commander in chief of
the military to stage military jet flyovers to drown out
the words of victims that you are implicated in is

(36:29):
just like, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
It's the behavior of a middle school boy who knows
he's losing an argument, where you start saying that, yeah, really, like,
won't let you finish your sentence.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
I'm plugging my ears with jet engines. I can't hear you.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
I have f eighteens flying over strategic flyover during this,
Like it was known days before though too, that this
was going to happen alongside this press conference. So like
when it happened, it was just really fucking just menacing
and disturbing. So the timing was wild too. So here
I'm gonna play a clip from Shanta Davis, one of

(37:06):
the survivors, being asked, you know, whether or not she
was asked like someone from the press, like, can someone
you speak about Epstein and Maxwell? How they said that
they knew Donald Trump? And she s gets up to
the podium to begin to speak, and then we get
a bit of a military Hey, how are you My first.

Speaker 6 (37:23):
Trip to the Palm Beach residence, I drove there from
the airport with Glenn Maxwell and the Jeffrey and Elynn
were always very boastful about their friends, their famous or
powerful friends, and his biggest brag forever was that he
was very good friends with Donald Trump. He had an
eight by tim framed picture of him on his desk

(37:46):
with the two of them, like they were very close.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
So you can hear a little bit of that. So
it gets even like that was just like the tail
end of one because prior to that, Sorry, just real.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Quick, do you have any like eight by ten framed
pictures of you and your friends? I mean I think, like,
I don't know. I guess it's a question. Are you
a person with like pick like desk pictures, like a
lot of pictures on your desk.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
No, I'm not a desk picture person, but I have
you know, before the house burned out, we have like
a hall of friendship photos where like all the homies
were represented in photographs on your desk, not on my desk,
but in but very prominently in my home to know,
like these are the important people in my life.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
On your desk feels like that is where people have
the leicture.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
That's yeah, yeah, I have, Yes, I have the geist
child and her majesty. Yeah, my wife and child. That
those are photos that I have.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
This is what I have on my picture that on
my desk. That's it. It's me and my wife my kids.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Right, And can I also say, like that's a normal
size eight by ten is crazy eight by ten?

Speaker 2 (38:59):
That's printer paper like a four by six.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Yeah, that's true, just some massive print out like you
have to special order that.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yeah, right now, bigger. I want people to really know
how good of friends we are. So just before that,
Anushka to Georgio is another survivor, spoke about how appalled
she was to hear that Glenne Maxwell was transferred to
Club fed you know, like a super low security prison,
in a move that, like, given the crimes that she

(39:29):
was convicted of, violates every procedural, procedural norm and regulation
that exists, like within the president yeah, within the you know,
thecarcial system of the United States. This is her speaking
and very again strategically.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
The jets are flying over constantly, but it's it's interesting
when she's speaking specifically, and I'll get to that in
a moment.

Speaker 8 (39:50):
After this, I was horrified when I found out not
only had Helen Maxwell been transferred to what it's called,
you know, a low security it's really is like a
like a holiday camp.

Speaker 5 (40:05):
And then afterwards I got a notification from the Department
of justice telling me that this was going to happen
when it had already happened, this woman abuse children.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
That's loud enough that literally everybody inside there's like thirty
people inside the frame of this news press conference, and
everybody is like looking up. That's a yeah, Like I
obviously this is coming through a microphone that is like
supposed to be drowning out background noise, and still it's
like deafening. And to be there in person, it seems

(40:49):
like it was just overwhelming, like chest rattling.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Yeah, I mean, it's just menacing to hear those plans
just fly over. But again the flyover brief, it didn't
deter these women. And Annushka de Georgio happens to have
a very specific relationship to Trump because she was introduced
to him by Gallaine Maxwell in nineteen ninety seven. And
at the time the press in the UK was talking

(41:13):
about this relationship between this woman and Donald Trump. It
was like Trump's britt, Trump's brit of all right, just
weeks after ditching his second wife, America's best known billionaire,
Donald Trump has fallen under the spell of a twenty
year old English girl. Yeah, yeah, she's a witch, imply
that she's a witch.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
What the fuck are they talking about?

Speaker 1 (41:35):
So then the way it was written about in the nineties,
it's just now like now, knowing what we know, it
sounds so ominous. So quote Trump met London model and
a Nushka de Georgio at a party in Manhattan. Several
American millionaires already had their eyes on her, but she
was there with Robert Maxwell's daughter, Gilaine, who was introduced,
who has introduced several of her attractive friends to the

(41:56):
property developer. The article goes on to say, quote Trump
flew Madame Maxwell, which you're like, what wow? So they
know sure, and the model south to the Sunshine State,
where all three enjoyed a happy weekend together. When they
returned to New York and Nushka was installed in one
of Donald's many apartments.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
There, Jesus Christ installed as crazy word.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
That's not you don't install a person, You install furniture,
you install software.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
You can install an armed guard. I feel like I've
heard it in that context before, like they've installed armed guards.
That the you know, you don't you don't install.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
I guess maybe could be a human being, but serves
a very specific singular function. Yes, exactly, which is just anyway,
and then you know she spoke like she testified against
Gallaine Maxwell she was basically being abused by Jeffrey Epstein,
and after that, Epstein just handed her over essentially.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
And this is someone who has has.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
A story to tell, for fucking sure, just reading that
thing about how the three of them were kicking into
Florida and then later she was installed in one of
his apartments. I mean, That'ssari like rather than the DOJ
like asking the convicted predator doing Jim Maxwell, ask.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Him Maxwell what her version of events is. We have
victims who have like said they're victims.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
As to them, who's above board not the person who's
the perpetrator of the crime. Anyway, It's it was a
very very fucked up moment. But again, I mean this
just all of this has brought even more emphasis and
more pressure now on Republicans to sort this out, and
they're trying everything they can, Like they're just doing like
the Oversight Committee like released a statement that sort of

(43:44):
like it wasn't really like a lawful resolution. But it's
like the DOJ will release the documents because we asked
them to at a time that they want it's like
very It's not like Kawhi Leonard's like, you know, contract, yeah,
treat Flaker. It's like if they feel like they can
opt out at any time. So there's nothing really binding
about this, but at least we get to say we
did something.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yeah, it's uh, it's a he couldn't look any more guilty.
And then like you hear that story and it's like, well,
so there's a trafficking victim that was introduced in quotes
to him by the trafficker in question, Like, what else
do you possibly need? Like, I don't understand how this
is not blaring from the front pages of every fucking newspaper.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Well, yeah, no, it's wild how fast the conversation around
this has died down to me, like it should be
everywhere all the time.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it definitely died down in like
the little the six or four weeks last four weeks
or so, when Mike Johnson hit the panic button and
was like, get everybody out of DC because we can't.
We don't want to be asked any more to pass
something or vote on something related to the evacuated the building. Basically, yeah,

(44:57):
And now that they're back, though, i'd say, the pre
Sure campaign is right back where I guess it is,
but we'll see what.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
It doesn't seem like it's getting as much pick up.
I'll say that, like, I think you're right, finn It
feels like it's died down in terms of the mainstream
media's pickup of it.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
And they're because who knows what threats are being thrown
around by this administration already. I mean, you've already seen
We've already seen newsroom after newsroom capitulate to the administration,
and even what you hear from Congress people saying that
Trump is personally calling people to be like, don't even
fucking think about voting for this shit. Yeah, you can

(45:35):
only imagine what kind of other intermediaries they used to even.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Chill the press even more, right, the press already pretty chill.
So that's very chill. Yeah, chill. All right, let's take
a quick break. We'll come back. We'll talk about bad
things the phone, our phones are doing to us. We'll
be right back and or back and just two slightly

(46:07):
related stories about things, bad things smartphone doing to our
brain and bad things smartphone doing to our assholes. Okay,
so apparently it significantly raises the risk of getting hemorrhoids.
According to a study, Those described in a CNN article
that presumably a lot of people read while sitting on

(46:29):
the toilet.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Oh so not just using a smartphone will give you hemorrhoids.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
It's sitting on the toilet with it. Yeah, using it?

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Well, okay, is it sitting on the toilet specifically or
is it just like sitting anywhere?

Speaker 2 (46:41):
I think they're specifically sitting on the toilet. Reportedly, quote,
regular smartphone use on the toilet was associated with a
forty six percent greater risk of having hemorrhoids because apps
are designed to distract us and people are losing track
of time. And sitting on the toilet for a long
time is especially bad because the open toilet seat compresses
the rectal area.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
There's nothing underneath there just to support your rectum, so
it's just a light to push.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Your rectal floor. Is getting a get to rouse? Yeah,
And this is related to this other story I saw
recently about the growth of executive function coaches to fix basically,
you know, they're like, well, all of a sudden, we're
seeing people who have worse ability to follow through on tasks,

(47:27):
and like basically executive function is this new term for
our brain's ability. It's like they consider it like our
brain's air traffic controller that can like kind of juggle
tasks and allows you to do a job where there's
like multiple important tasks and you have to like choose
which one to do.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Yeah, like impulse control and just keeping track of shit, right.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Yeah, keeping track of things like navigating friendships on top
of your job on time. People are like feeling very overwhelmed.
And in the past, so this was usually used to
describe like a deficiency in people with ADHD and people
like on the spectrum, and they found that these executive

(48:14):
function coaches could help people, like when you would give
them an executive punk, a coach that focused on executive function,
it would like help them improve. But now like everyone
is having these same problems, and it seems pretty obvious
to me that it's because everyone is working all the time.

(48:35):
An on call in the middle of the night, Like
it's like that used to be the thing that you
would see it in movies, where like it was a
cop would get a call.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
In the middle of the night, or like a CIA officer, yeah,
or the president or just.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Robin Williams and any of his characters.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Robin Williams would have just a red phone. That was like,
we've got to get Robin Williams on the phone. But
now we all have that like red phone on them,
you know, on the desk that like and it can
ring at any time and you're like, oh, there's an emergency.
And now it's funny. The article that's writing about this,
I think was in like Business Insider, and so they

(49:15):
keep kind of going back and forth. The description is like,
you know, we have more distractions today than ever, like
kind of fault is partially our fault. You know, we're
digitally We're just a digitally distracted bunch of silly billies.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Yeah, you guys, just since everyone wanted to design algorithms
that keep people stuck to their phones God.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
And cut off your IV drip of tiktoks to do
your job.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
They they got me good though. I was kind of
like very anti smartphone before twenty twenty, and then lockdown
happened and I was just lonely. So I got an
iPhone and I have not been the same since.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Oh you were off the iPhone prior to lockdowns?

Speaker 3 (49:57):
I well, yeah, but it wasn't like I did have
an iPhone at like before then, and then I switched
to like a dumb dumb phone. Wow, and that was
great and I actually loved it. And I haven't been
able to justify going back to it though, because like
this article is saying, like the scaffolding of workplace environments
that I'll designate start and end times is like gone

(50:18):
now yea, So I feel this pressure, and I think
everyone does to feel like available for work stuff, oh
twenty four to seven, or even for like friendships too,
Like it was really nice having this stupid phone because
it was so hard to text, and I would just
call people and I would make plans and then I
would meet at that place at a certain time, and

(50:39):
it just there wasn't a lot of changing of plans
or if someone canceled then I'd just be alones somewhere
for a bit. And that was actually nice too.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
That's okay, you get a little bit of alone time.
We were just talking about this trend that I was
listening to another podcast where they were talking about people
like sharing their location so that friends can like track
the location of other friends, and it was like they
were they were At first, I was like, oh, they're

(51:08):
gonna talk about how weird that is. And then the
two hosts of the show were like, yeah, and we
do that and that's like normal, but you just like
can't be a weird stalker about it. I'm just like
even that like feels like extra being on all the time,
Like just always having everybody like have access to you
anytime you want. Feels like like rough environment for a

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human brain to exist in.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
I don't we already live in like a metaphorical panopticon,
so to make it the real thing to be like no,
and they know where I am at all, I'm always
being watched is a little whatever.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
I mean, I do that.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Her majesty is always like can you share your location
with me? And I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah. But then
she's like you didn't leave the house at all, And
I'm like, what the fuck is this?

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Like I'm on trial here by the fucking I'm cooking
spaghetti for the baby.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
I had to do working things sorvy.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I mean, they do talk about the how COVID really
like they're like, COVID happened. It taxed adults executive functioning
because like now we no longer have like a at
work division. It's like we're always kind of at work.
But then after COVID they say that, you know a quote,
modern life is stretching everyone's mental capacity to the brink.

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The experts I spoke with point to the endless interruptions
and cheap dopamine hits of our digital devices as one
obvious culprit, like in addition to research suggests that the
digital world can warp our perception of time, which would
logically affect how well we manage our time, which, yeah,
that makes sense. These are like the apps are designed

(52:48):
by people who like in the past used to do
psychological experiments on like rats and shit, Like now they're
designing apps to make it so that we can't tell
how much time has passed. Like the the weirdest experience
I've ever had, I think it was the angry like
playing Angry Birds when that was the thing and like

(53:08):
the late aughts and like just being like, oh my god,
like forty minutes just disappeared and I didn't notice it
at all. Like it's just like it was like time
traveling TikTok.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
I definitely time travel on TikTok, which yeah, I'm not
I'm not proud of how many times I've gotten the Hey, motherfucker,
you've been scrolling an awful lot. Maybe put this shit down.
Like even the fucking dope dealer.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Was like, hey, come on, man, give it the TikTok
apps say that.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Like one of the next videos that would come up
was like from the TikTok community thing where someone was like, hey,
just remember you know when you're scrolling a lot to
take a break or whatever, And I'm like, what the
fuck an hour, fifteen minutes has gone by.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
You've got a beard? Yeah, the yeah, but I don't know. Yeah,
it's in addition to you know, this thing that used
to be reserved for like the hardest job in the
world of like being president, like the red phone on
your desk, like you also have a casino in your
pocket with like apps for work and like media consumption

(54:10):
and like all these things like those are all designed
to addict you and just like get you lost, like
lose you in time and space.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
So it's it's funny when they go like modern life,
it's like you're talking about late stage capitalism.

Speaker 9 (54:25):
Yeah, yeah, fucking assholes, that's what don't Let's thanks for
the euphemism, But like people are being ground to dust
for nothing, and like in other times, and maybe your
wages were actually substantial, then at least you could like
do something because you had some kind of excess income
to like blow your steam off.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
But now people have to have multiple jobs just to
fucking get by, and you're on call all the time,
Like maybe talk about that rather than your company being
like and we're giving out yoga mats on Monday, so
come by. Yeah, exactly, we love it. We love a
wellness program.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
They do talk about the wellness programs article.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
It spooks me how these apps too are Like like TikTok,
I didn't use until when they were when it was
like going to be banned. Yeah, I downloaded it because
I was like, I want to see what this is
like everyone loves it and I won't have the risk
of being addicted to it because it's about saying to
be banned, right, But obviously that didn't happen, and I
downloaded it, and now I'm addicted to TikTok. But it's

(55:22):
wild to me how every third TikTok is an ad
and yeah, there's a shop within the app, like I mean,
Instagram is addictive too, but it's it's not a little
more selling to me, Like the way TikTok is like
put your credit card in this app, oh right, now,
press the button and you can buy a new hair brush,

(55:42):
which I did, you know, Like Instagram will be like
your hair Yeah, Instagram now go to their website to
go by the thing where we're still a buffer.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Yeah, and even now like people are live with their
TikTok shops, like where you can just go on your
own like handheld QVC show where you're watching somebody's oh
fucking candy or whatever. I'm luckily every third video. Yeah,
I've I've definitely weaned myself off of the tiktoks as
at least when I was like peak tiktoking, like at
twenty twenty two. That was a bad run. That was

(56:15):
a bad run for me.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Yeah, but it's uh yeah, so I don't know. It
just feels like a thing that I always like, my
my most hopeful self is like we're gonna look back
on this the way we did smoking and be like, man,
I can't believe we did that to ourselves. But I
also like, I don't know, like I could also see
it just being like worse and worse and like we

(56:38):
look back on this and be like, oh, those are
the good old days before everything was so seamless that
we just like lived in Wally universe where it was
just like we were constantly in a slipstream of like consumption.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Yeah, I mean, I see it's slowing down because I
I mean, when you think about it, it's replacing so
many quote unquote normal human things we used to do,
like socialize or like fucking even like read books. Like
there was a new thing about how Americans are falling
off like with reading so quickly. It's like wild, Like

(57:13):
I think there's a study it was twenty eight percent
of people who've read for pleasure in two thousand and four.
It's at sixteen percent in twenty twenty three. And it's
just like, yeah, it just keeps falling off. It keeps
falling off, Like people don't even read for pleasure in
the UK.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Eighteen percent of people read for pleasure in the twenty
three in the United States.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Jeez, that's bleak.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Yeah, Twitter counts right, I can read.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Yeah, twit was that was a veriable.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
I mean, because it's like many it's because it's not
just like the technology, it's also like our education system,
like it's multifaceted, it's purely not that. But like I
also see now how people like are they just find
pleasure from their phones? Yeah, and that's such a fucking
grim reality.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
We're saying something earlier about like how it's replacing normal
daily activities, like the availability through smartphone, and I definitely
found that, Like when I stopped, I did try to
go back to a dumb phone, but it's almost impossible,
like the way that work, it works for people, and
like social life works for people, you really are removing

(58:21):
yourself from the way everyone's functioning now and right right
it is a pretty isolating thing, is what I discover it.
And it can work if you're okay with that, But
also like everyone else is assuming that you're on the
same wavelength as them, like you're able to be in
an I message group chat, or you're going to hit

(58:41):
them back on Instagram if they invite you to something
like there, it's really hard to maintain a social life
without a smartphone. It's just you have to do it
so differently and the world doesn't built for that anymore.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Or I don't like how I'm or how I did it,
like pre smartphone in high school, like there's that one
friend who always knew what was going on, so that Hey,
what's going on.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
I'm not on Instagram? Can you tell what's happening this weekend? Okay, Okay,
thank you, thank you. I used to laugh at Jenine
Garoffalo because she was like I remember in the aughts,
she was like the last person I had heard of
who was like, yeah, I don't really go online, I
don't mess with like digital anything. I was like, okay, Jenny, Okay.

(59:26):
Tom Hanks from Castaway sounds good. And now I'm I
am that person where I'm just like I mean, I'm not,
but like I be that and like, oh that is
like that sounds right to me. That's like that is
the ideal. I mean it's not possible, but.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Well, I think we're so much of the digital era
has allowed people to lose their teather to like the
real simple things that keep us present as human beings. Yeah,
you know where people are experiencing like moments of nature
through a phone screen. When I get like when you
in a city or something, it's not as readily available
to you, but there are just certain sensations that you

(01:00:05):
get from your body from just being present that are
so fulfilling in a way that I feel like we
lose track of shit like that, and it's so easy
to get swept up in well that the nonsense I'm
seeing on my phone is my entire reality, when like
if you just look up and around you, that's not
what's unfolding in front of your eyes. It's something completely different,
And I think reminding ourselves of that is so fucking important.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
We talked last week about how there's these AI kitten
videos that are just like a series of images of
this really chubby, adorable orange cat, not always like they
don't always look exactly the same, but like it's something
that the AI is iterating on and like you just
like see horrible things happen to the cat, like really
sad things. Well, like people are feeling like this outpourent people,

(01:00:53):
like a lot of the reposting of it, These are
going like hugely viral, and a lot of the reposting
of it as people being like, uh not me, like
crying at this video of this chubby cat that's clearly AI.
And I was like I had this really like bleak
vision of like outside of if you're like completely looking
at this from the outside, it's like we're cut off

(01:01:16):
from each other and from like interaction with nature, and
so we have robots making videos that are just like
milking us of our normal human interactions like that. It's
like a fucking like mechanical like calf's mouth that is
like milking a cow and like a milking factory, and

(01:01:38):
like we're just sitting there being like I feel the
emotion and like moving forward with that shit. And it's
just like that, and they're doing it to extract like
our feelings but also like extract time from us so
that we stay we're expressing this natural human emotion and
we're like, okay, that is where I get that emotion

(01:01:58):
now and stay there. Yeah, exactly right by things.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Okay, yeah, slippery fucking slope, I think, yeah, yeah, yeah,
oh no, we're fully.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
We're mid uh, we're right in the middle of the
slippery you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Know when you see somebody like slipping on ice and
like the first because they haven't quite gone down. We're
like maybe on that third step where you still think
you got it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Man, We're we are parallel to the ground.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
We are once we.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Actually hit our head terribly five years ago, and now
we still we're.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Slipping on the bump bump the size of a grapefruit
on our forehead. Yeah yeah, screaming down the hill.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
There's a there are two birds flying around our house,
flying around our heads.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Yeah. I think we need to bring back being bored,
sitting sitting outside, staring at nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Oh yeah, I'm still I'm always impressed when I don't
have my phone, and I'm just not even like being
like high or anything, like I can just purely be like, Okay,
I've been staring at this thing for like five minutes
and it's just like a tree.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Great, let's move on.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Let's move on because that Oh god, it's time to
feel bad for these kids, man, Jack. We got to
protect these kids.

Speaker 5 (01:03:11):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
I mean, I'm trying, but it does feel like you're
just like, I don't know, it's like a losing battle, right,
not a losing battle necessarily, but yeah, like I think
about that. There's this Onion headline that's like a quote
unquote cool dad exposing his kids to like a bunch
of cultural references that will have them completely cut off
from their generation. It's like a dad showing his kids,

(01:03:33):
like stop making sense with the talking heads, And I
think about that all the time because I'm like, am
I doing that because I'm not letting them like play
rollblocks and shit like that. But like I kind of
don't give a fuck, Like I don't know, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
I think don't give a fuck about that. Yeah yeah,
I mean not making sense.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Yeah yeah, trippy because like I said, my mom took
me to see a fucking Italian art film about a
famous Castrado singer. My dad showed me David like you know,
fucking Naked Lunch and eraser Head when I was way
too young I was, and but they also like didn't
I wasn't fucking with video games still like late in
the game because they weren't buying me that shit. But
the things I still think about, like with like great

(01:04:15):
admiration and love and appreciation was just all this different
shit that I was exposed to, because that completely expands
what you think, like that the the deck of possibilities
you know, in your mind, like especially with art and
things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
I don't think anyone's ere like.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
I can't believe I was exposed to this, these kinds
of human human artistic expression as a child, Like you
really fucking kept me on the wrong foot my entire life.
I think, you know, I think showing your kids stop
making sense is totally good. You start showing the Max
Headroom clips the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Shit that even I don't think is cool. Finn. Such
a pleasure having you. Thank you so much for staying
with us for so long. On the daily side, guys,
where can people find you? Follow you? Hear you all
that good stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Thank you so much for having me. Y'all are wonderful.
My name is Argus. It's uh that on all the
all the things. I I'm about to put out some
music too, so if you want to listen to that,
it'll just be my name. Got an album coming out.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Completely not kids bop, No, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Adult spop now I'm trying to Yeah. And then of
course I got the podcast One of Us with Chris
Renfro and that is being released every week, so if
you want to check that out, it's an improv interview
podcast and it's very silly and fantastical.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Chris artistic director now yeah, yeah, Chris is the artistic
dress director at UCBC b l A.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
Congrats to Chris.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Congrats to Chris, and we big give a big congrats
to Chris Renfro.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
Fives for Chris Refro.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Going to do more on this episode. We fucked up.
We're you know, our our marketing team is you know
telling us incorporate more booms into our show. We don't
have a marketing team.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Finn I give you all five booms.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
We thank you for That's what we've been looking for.
Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
A work of media? Yeah, yeah, I've been listening to
the album Live at Revolution Hall by Adrian Linker, and
it is like forty to fifty songs and a lot
of them are just like lo fi cassette recordings or
live performances on stage and.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
It's really good.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Oh yeah, and it's very slow and a little boring.
So yeah, get you something something to sit with for
an hour and a half if you've got the timer,
attention span.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Wonderful miles Where can people find you? Is there a
working media you've been enjoying?

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Yeah, find me everywhere at Miles of Gray. Sophia and
I will be back with for twenty Day Fiance next week,
so you could count on that. A work of media
I'm really enjoying is at Rogers naf dot besky Dot
Social posted Florida man appoints himself chair of the twenty

(01:07:20):
twenty eight Olympics. Who does that? And it's a photo
of Hitler? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's so.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
That's so. You can find me on Twitter, Jack Underscore
o Brian on Blue Sky Jack ob the number one
working media I've been enjoying. I don't know did I
shout out Josh Sharp's show today that I saw when
I was back in New York.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
I think I might have forgotten too, maybe not with me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
So funny. Everybody who is in New York should go
check that shut out. It's so funny. It's in it's
also in the West Village, and it's right next to
one of my favorite pizza places in New York, Bleaker
Street Pizza. So you can make a great night of it.
You can find us on Twitter and Blue Sky at

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Daily Zeitgeist. We're at the Daily Zeitgeist. On Instagram. You
can go to the description of this episode wherever you're
listening to it, and there at the bottom you will
find the footnotes where we link off to the information
that we talked about in today's episode. We also link
off to a song that we think you might enjoy, Miles,
is there a song that you think that people might enjoy?

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
Continued to listening to Antone Exem's musical career. The former
NFL safety turned like psych pop musician who is again
I think making the to me the best music I've
heard from a former professional athlete, especially a football player.
This is like one of his early tracks called Dark

(01:08:49):
Kept Secret, and it feels like a demo for like
a TV on the radio track or something just really chill.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
His vocals are really cool, very tune day like.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
So yeah, Dark Kept Secret by Exem e Xum.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
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Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Bye.

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