Jokic The Destroyer with Kelly Dwyer

The guys were pleased to be joined by NBA writer and entertainer Kelly Dwyer on the latest episode. The trio discussed Nikola Jokic's continued domination, played a game of 'contender' vs 'pretender' and plenty more.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're officially on the back path of the NBA schedule,
and we're actually less than three weeks away boom boom, boom,
boom boom from the NBA's trade deadline, which is February
ninth end. Teams are gearing up for both the playoff
push and potential lottery positioning, and we'll discuss that am
more with the NBA writer and all around entertainer Kelly Dwyer.

(00:22):
On that day's episode. I'm Miles Grady and I'm Jack O'Brien,
and this is Miles Jacott Man. Jeez, we did it?
Were you doing? Like the SNL announcer guy vibe? Miles
and Jack got bad boost and now your special guest Kelly.

(00:47):
They never fixed it, so that guy wasn't saying the
same name right in a row, you know, maybe intro
who the guest is right before, but I don't know,
it had a bit of a rhythm to it as
it just did then, you know either way, that guy
was on sax getting his check, the iconic saxophone player
from that band. Anyway, Well, let's roll come our special
guest water Kelly. What's going on. I'm just looking forward

(01:11):
to some sweet sax lines from Lenny Pickett right now
and the rest of the SNL band. I need some
some sort of like faux gospel grooves to to leave
us in, you know, telling us it's been a great
week with the writers and the cast, and don't forget
to stay tuned for a showtime at the Apollo. Thank
you for the Don Pardo intro. I'm I'm ready to
to rock it out. I'm sorry, did you get names? Yeah?

(01:34):
What what are your studio? Eh? Or what what studio
they in? I bet you know this too. Uh, that
would be fourteen B fellas the I mean the way
I get in, you know, straightway of fourteen D. But
I mean, I guess you got to go the way
Rob Barrow goes. Yeah, when you're pulling up a thirty Yeah,
great pull. It was. I was at a wedding where

(01:55):
Lenny Pickett played in the band, and I was like
the biggest fan because a friend of mine worked on SNL,
and I was like, how did you get him on here? Anyway,
he's iconic. I work on SNL, paid him to play
a gig. Technically, I'm like, oh okay, I thought it
was off. The strengthen relationship but anyway, Kelly Man, welcome
to the show. I gotta ask you quickly who who

(02:16):
are your fan of? What's your what's your basketball fan history?
Where you grew up? Who you come up on? Where yet? Now?
Spurban Chicago in Lafayette, Indiana right now, which is halfway between,
not halfway, it's closer to Indianapolis. But I'm a Bulls
guy in Chicago, So I was in my late twenties
and uh, for better words, the most embarrassing franchise the

(02:36):
last twenty five years is mine to call my own.
I I bleed red and black and have games and say, yeah,
it's it's it's I think it has something to do
with all the zinc I've been taken in. But should
version to the luxury text. But yeah, I'm I'm I'm
a Bulls guy. Yeah, okay, okay, that's a little it's okay,

(02:57):
that's the right that's the right response. We've had to
back Bulls fans. It's just your like the third Bulls
fan that we've had in in recent weeks. And so no,
it's fine, it's great. The uniforms are nice, right, oh yeah,
oh yeah, iconic some of the best. Yeah you are
in Indiana, the scene of the crime that we're going

(03:18):
to get to on a little bit of the job dunk.
I mean these happened. These jaw breakers, as I've coined them,
and nobody else ever has are happening on a pretty
frequent basis. But oh oh yeah, M O R A
N T. I'm trying to do like that song with
jar Will and j LO when she's spelling are you Ellie?

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And I thought it was a question if he was Ellie,
I'd rather than spelling are you Ellie? Are you Ellie?
I thought that was the thing, was like, are you Ellie?
I'm like, who's Ellie? Is this a blind day? End
of the scene? Jaw rule? But okay, um, but yeah,
A question like, with your fandom being you know, like
talking about the game so much, are you able to

(04:01):
kind of have a healthy distance, are you still like
kind of caught up in your child fan mode? Or
you live and die by all the results. So I
can sit I can sit tight on press row and
not make it, not move a muscle and not raise
an eyebrow, even if Gilbert and running and this is
hitting a game winner in Kerfeinerck's face, not you know,
for me to to to, you know, lose Chicago's home
court advantage in the first round the playoffs. You know,

(04:23):
I can. I can handle my own stuff. I mean,
I should have been at that game. I had planned
on making a press cidential going in for that game.
I was all set up to go to that game.
Then a couple of days before I was just like,
We've got a lot of stuff to do around the house.
I haven't seen the wife in a while. I got
to take the tree down and I didn't go to
the game. I'm just very upset I did not have

(04:45):
that site to behold in person. Of course, while we're
on the subject, I may not have survived. So better
that I did not go to that game, because you know,
I'm getting up there in age and I don't know
how many sicks listening has left, and seeing on TV
was was close enough. So that was plenty. Yeah, it
was wonderful. You got to take the whole thing, and
you got to take the bench reaction in and we're

(05:07):
going to talk about it all. But should we talk
about should we talk about who's running the table of late? Yeah,
because you've got three teams that are kind of separating
themselves a little bit. At West, you got the Nuggets
and Grizzlies. The grizz have won ten straight and the
Nuggets have won sixth straight. And then the Celtics won

(05:27):
seventh straight, largest point differential in the league at six
point five, best road record in the league. That's an
interesting thing that like things were trending in the direction
that like road versus home court advantage wasn't as big
a deal, and then this season it's just really really
reverted back. Yeah, it's weird. You think Darius Garland's road

(05:50):
home splits. It's very it's all very strange, like now
it matters all of a sudden. Yeah, this game against
the Hornets. I'm living in fear of Jayson Tatum. I
always live in Tatum has ruined my life. My team,
the seventies Sixers traded the ability to draft Jason Tatum
for Mark l. Folts and gave like additional picks. I
believe I've never felt like the seventy sixers got the

(06:13):
better half of that deal. And so it's always it's
always stung a little bit every time he has proven
himself to be a generational talent. Yeah, I mean fifty
one points nine rebounds, five assists. One thing to note,
I don't know what they have in the water in Charlotte,
but people show up. I mean embid fifty three twelve
and three on twenty thirty two shooting this year, Yokich

(06:36):
had that forty game, twenty seven rebounds tripled uple over there. Uh,
and then Jayson Tatum. Good things are happening, good things.
It's almost like Kai Jones place for the Hornets or something.
It's almost like, gee, I wonder what's happening now, But
let's it's probably some sort of hotel set up, or
maybe it's it's the bus, you know, like the eight

(06:57):
c M fees are like way lower in Charlotte than
other banks around there. Yet it can't be Kai Jones,
absolutely not. Jayson Tatum, by the way, number of fifty
point games scored in a Celtics uniform. There are five
players who have one game. Larry Bird has four games,

(07:17):
and Jason Tatum, who I believe is nineteen years old,
he's always so much younger than I expect him to be,
has five games already where he put up fifty or more.
It's unnerving. Yeah, there's no sign of them slowing down.
So whatever, they had that one little skid that like
teased some of us, but uh yeah, everything might fall

(07:43):
apart with them and the markets smart may not be happening.
That just that just gave some sort of hope. But
but no, and it's just you know, it's you can't
like them because they're the ceutic. Yeah yeah, but then
it's like yeah then, but it's hard like as I watched,
oh my god, it they're so good. Your part to
be has like a morbid fascination. But yeah, I mean,

(08:05):
I won't be wearing a jersey anytime soon. Yeah. We'll
link off to some of the highlights from that Tatum
game of fifty one, nine and five against the Hornets.
But if you need more evidence that Jayson Tatum is incredible,
uh yeah, well we'll link off to it. But man,
he looked like he could not miss, which was I
think that the scary part, which just felt like I
was like, oh, I'm going to wail everything to happen. Yeah,

(08:27):
they look like small shots. They look like he's so
strong now that when he gets up to that that
high point on his release, it doesn't look like a
twenty four ft shot. It looks like he's just going
in for a free throw line pull up and and
it ain't fair for someone who's I think sixty eighteen
years old. Yeah, and this is a podcast that we
do in partnership with the NBA, and I think that

(08:47):
that's a message that we're trying to send. It's not
fair and we need to do something about this. Jayson
Tatum guy, it's not it's not fair to the rest
of the league, to the fans, Nerf. Some of his
stats man like putting up date do a roster date, Yeah, Nerf,
some of those four on five should be should be
thought of. I think it's you know, especially teams around

(09:08):
the second half of the back to back. It's just
at some point you have to keep feelings in order.
And uh, you know, Jason Tatums is just clearly unfair.
You're allowed to throw things at the ball when he
shoots it. I think would be maybe you know, get
the bench involved, you know what about them as sharp shooters.
You know. Again, anything that brings Kai Jones into this

(09:29):
I wanted to happen. He has, he has hornet hair,
and uh, yes, it needs we need more of him
on the court, even if it's only in a four
on five setting, right, So it feels like we're almost
saying that the Celtics are foregone conclusion nearly Celtics in Brooklyn.
Brooklyn still still intrigued. Okay, when they had it going

(09:49):
in the playoffs before everybody got hurt, Like if they
can keep it going for the whole playoffs, and I
think they're pretty pretty tough to deal with. They still
continue to look good even with Katie banged up. But
the Celtics look like I would say the Celtics are
a clearer pick to come out of their conference than
anybody out west. The grizz and the Nuggets are both

(10:11):
pretty hard to separate from one another. The Grizzlies have
the more recent kind of run and playoff experience. The
Nuggets had that one bubble run though, where they looked incredible,
got to the Western Conference finals, so I could I
could see absolutely lost his mind, right, Yeah, that was
that was some good shot making. Uh, We're we're kind

(10:32):
of unique here, Kelly on this podcast because we talked
about the importance of shot making and how good shot
making is in the NBA these days. You could put
a friendly wager on Brooklyn beating these Celtics and five
you would five close games where Kevin Durant hit six
of his two point shots. I mean, yeah, I took
Brooklyn Is. It's just as hot as anything I've ever seen.

(10:55):
I'll go follow the Magic Johnson tweets about it, like you,
there's no reason why we should be at all discounting
even without Nick Lackson's ascension, this team that just pulls
up for jumpers and does not miss them. Yeah, Magic
Johnson some of my favorite hot takes. You know, a
hot take factory, one of one of the great tweeters, Katie,

(11:15):
who you like Between the Grizzlies and the Nuggets. Grizzlies
are so many different teams at once. Player goes down
and they're the best defensive team in the NBA and
a player that loves into the lineup and the best
three points you need team in the NBA, and a
player and in the middle of it as a JO
and sometimes he's not in the middle of it. So
I feel like they haven't shown me their greatest yet.

(11:37):
So I should say the Grizzlies. But Denver has a
full of smart and intelligent role players expertly put together
and then as the best player in basketball. Sorry that
the guy from Denver is the best player in basketball. Uh,
I'm gonna go with the Grizzlies because I don't know
what they're gonna even be like in May, right, Yeah,
that's true. They're hard to prepare for, right, and that

(11:57):
they did seem to surprise some people in the playoff
flash year because of that, right, Like Joe went down
and they still got a gamer too. So let's talk
about that guy from Denver. Um. We are, of course
talking about uh Man, formerly known as the Joker, but
will now be known as Big Honey. To me, I
didn't even know that was a nickname, but super producer

(12:18):
Jabari let me in on that and that that works
much better. Yeah. It reminds me of like watching Greg
Maddox pitch at his height when like he wasn't throwing heat,
but it was just like everything was exactly on the
you know, pinpoint corner, and they were like, how come
these guys aren't just like rocking this dude and dead

(12:39):
glasses out there? You know? But Big Honey man, I
don't know. I can just watch him pass the ball
all day. Every every time we talk, we're like, did
you see that pass? You see that, but like his
passing is unbelievable. And I know, if I think what
was I may it may have been the listener made
Paul Garaventa, one of y'all were reaching out and saying,
this is our vetus o bonus eracer. Well, yes, I mean,

(12:59):
obviously there's no shade rvy to Sabonus. But what we're
seeing with Yokich is like it's he's building on that,
and it's it's beautiful to watch the way he's doing
it is like we are seeing the next level. Yeah,
and the the league is so much more creative offensively
than it used to be because it's more spread out,
and yeah, I don't know, it's like it's like comparing

(13:21):
a Renaissance master and then like one of those dudes
who was painting when everything was like, you know, they
would paint babies that look like middle aged men. You know.
It's just like like like the Dark Ages painters, where
everyone just looks like middle aged men of various sizes,
Like the Sabonis wasn't wasn't working with the same you know,

(13:44):
level of creativity and movement and spreading of the court
is putting up the Guernica you know, you know what
I mean. Alright, let's take a quick break. We'll come back.
We'll talk about some of the best performances we've seen.
We keep keep seeing stuff from this Lebron guy that
I think it's Lebron Lebron Um. So we're gonna come

(14:07):
back and talk about these great performances, including some from
le Bron. James. Well, we'll be right back, and we're
back and we'll catch up with the Wendy Race next week.

(14:29):
I mean, it's gonna be what we're talking about. Yeah,
I mean, now that we're in the back half, you know,
I think there's a little more substance to that conversation.
But I would like to see the Pistons good. I'm
not gonna say who raised the idea that the Suns
should enter the race. Uh now they're one and nine
in their last ten um. It was not me, but
somebody raised that idea that the Suns might just want

(14:50):
to blow it up and try and try and make
some moves. I see a lot of their fans talking
about that right now. Um, but less talk about performances
of the week. Man, This guy Chrysler le Baron Hamaz,
let me tell you he is doing s forty nine
forty eight points nine? Is this eight rebounds no turnovers

(15:11):
against Houston. Jabari did point out that we talked about
I don't know if we talked about on the show,
but there was this locker room conversation a while back
where it looked like, you know, Darvin Hams trying to
get the team fired up, and Lebron is like, yeah,
we need let's get greedy boys, blah blah blah, and
the Russell Westbrook's like, hey, let's just try and have
a good time. Man. When loser draw, let's have fun
out there. And we didn't win at all following that

(15:33):
conversation until this game against Houston. Obviously, also shout out
to Opering Shingoon, Uh what what record did he said?
Whatever it was, it was him and Shack, congratulations. It's
fantastic And for anyone who hasn't like looked at some
Shingoon highlights, so Shangoon has been I think when we
were first talking about starting this podcast, super producer Jabari,

(15:53):
who's like real NBA stat just knows everything that's going
on in the league and like in the people pay
attention to the league and all, you know, he was
talking about Shangun and I finally started watching some clips
of this person. So he's the youngest center to ever
record a triple double in the first Houston Rocket to
do so since a team. When you watch him, first

(16:15):
of all, he doesn't like even really read that big.
He looks like a swingman size. I would say he's
six five. He's definitely bigger than that. But yeah, yeah,
if you you just like scan him, you're like, he
also is just doing these things in close quarters where
I'm gonna go to another non basketball sports reference, but

(16:37):
like it's like watching one of those mm A fighters
or like martial artists who's like real good at like
the close quarters like hands and like he has his
hand over yours and you don't realize the fights over
like grappling or something like grappling, Like he's just like
grappler man, Like all his footwork is wild, his hands
like just where he has his the placement of the

(17:00):
all again, it just feels like it shouldn't work as
well as it does. He's got that chuck daily hair
um and just you know he's not he's not reading.
Is like this person is going to strike fear in
your heart, but he's he's doing it out there, I
think gets people out of the way. He's got that
LaMarcus Aldridge, you know, rear end Paucosol rear end thing

(17:20):
where he can just he just you don't know how
he moves them out of the way, but it just
gets the job done. He's tremendous to watch the ball
flow throughout that offense. And I'm just happy he's on
the court enough to pull that stuff off, because I
was a worried with him coming out of international play,
was just going to foul all the time. But he's
he's just he grapples well and he stays. But I

(17:42):
don't want to make the same mistake that every other
NBA podcast is, And uh, pay all our attention to
Shinguon and none of it to Lebron. James So Lebron
over the last seven games thirty seven points, nine point
seven boards, eight point six assists on the back end
of a back to back like that is the back

(18:03):
to back like this reminds me of when everyone's like,
well they just came into the bubble in better shape
and like more focused than everyone. It's like, yeah, that's
part of the that's part of the thing. And also
he's older than everyone and he's ready to do it
more than anyone. Like the fact that he is at
this age, like has the advantage on the back end

(18:24):
of a back to back is wild. Yeah, and it's
wild too, Like the Jabbar was sharing, like, you know,
a tweet that was just saying, like, the youngest player
in NBA history to a thousand points Lebron, two thousand points, Lebron,
three thousand points, Lebron all the way to twenty thousand points.
And you see these comments from people that are like,

(18:46):
I don't know, I mean unfair advantage. Kids, He's been
doing it since he was eighteen, So like, let's adjust
that a little bit, Like as if that is like
would niggate what he's achieving. It's like, no, he's actually
so good that he is able to begin putting the
numbers down at that age. Not oh man, he bought
his way into the league or something, Miles, that's his

(19:06):
privilege being that good at basketball from a their young age.
You know, he was kind of he had an advantage,
and that's not fair. Again, the NBA needs to step
in and do something because this guy's got an advantage.
Over everyone, and he's at it for a long time
and it's not fair. What's good as a child? I
feel like I'm giving a speech that like a Brad

(19:28):
Bird character would and like the incredible. But um, it
was kind of heartwarming and endearing to see Jabari Smith Jr.
Talking to him. I think it was like right off
the tip, like first play of the game. Uh. I
think we have the audio from it. Yeah, just coming
up and being like you played with my daddy and

(19:50):
you get if you listen closely here, I'm like, hey, man,
are you trying to make you feel older? Hey, you
played with just my dad first, your first NBA game
ever Sacramento. You feel ha ha ha ha. And then
Lebron doun't. Moments later, right before the half, Lebron is

(20:15):
bringing it up the court and credit to this young
man because he really he's like, you know what, I'm
gonna show him how dedicated I am on defense, only
for Lebron James to be like, you know, I've been
doing this since you were literally born, young man. Now
get out my way. That's just like the second or
third really three points down search Barie Smith looking for

(20:43):
some help. Yeah, we better call your daddy. We do
have to commend. As Lebron was making his way to
the rim, you Sawmond Garuba maybe challenge, maybe challenge, and
then at the last minute he decided, you know what,
I don't need to be on a poster or even
near a highlight. But I do want to give it
up to him because he thought for a second right here,

(21:06):
he decided to gather jump and then he actually was
like no, no, no, we gotta get out of the circle,
you know, because otherwise that's a charge or that's not
a charge. No, this is so Superducer Javari was saying
that he made a good business decision. Yeah, I think
I think we need to find the right player in
the NBA to name that. That should be their nickname,

(21:28):
like street clothes, like business decision. Is the player who
just always is like smart enough to get out of
the way. Yeah, but like not appear on posters. He's
like the Forrest Gump of Dunk posters. Like he's in
all the posters. He's he's because he decided running the
other way. But yeah, he's exactly. I mean, should we

(21:51):
talk about somebody who made a poor business decision? Yeah?
I probably should. Oh, John Marant. I mean, we might
as get to this dunk. Oh boy, should we just
watch it once to remember what we saw. Let's let's
do it against McConnell. Okay, we need multiple angles. The

(22:17):
most cocked back a ball has ever been. Look at
the bench. The bench. It turned into a single celled organism. Yeah.
The reaction is so wonderful. Yeah, because you got like
somebody holding everybody back. Is it Baine who's holding everybody back?

(22:39):
I think so. I love I love the holding everyone
back like something tragic or horrible has happened, just like
you're you're leaning on the other people for supports. Please
don't hurt yourself. Don't hurt you, don't don't get don't
jump into the fray. The firefighters do the job. Yeah. Yeah,
it's like it's like the Mystic River. Yeah exactly. But yeah,

(23:06):
I like I like how. Even John Ray tweeted afterwards
he said he quote tweeted the video said jump with
me if you want to go viral um, which again,
I think that's the point. Mr Jalen Smith, maybe that
wasn't the best business decision you could have made, but look, hey,
not all of us find ourselves j Smith. Yeah, right,

(23:27):
also known for becoming a single sell the organism on defense.
Sometimes it gets into some trouble with coach. Yeah, I'm
gonna say I was not a big business decision in
my in my career, I played against Dan get Zurich,
who you know, my from U c l A. Base
went on to play U c l A. I was,
you know, I was the two on my team. But

(23:49):
I also was like, you know, the defender, and I
was like, no, I got him. I got him, coach,
And I got dunked on like I thought that was
getting me points like I got so many times repeatedly embarrassingly.
It was like Rocky you know how he's just like
like he's eating punches like it's his job. Like he

(24:13):
like the like the judges on the side there, Like, man,
he took there's three in right. Yeah, this rounds going
to a Balboa. Yeah, that's a McDonald's game. M v P.
Duncan on you. That is that is you know, that's stuff.
That's Jordan, Jonathan Bander, Lebron James and Dan Gya Zerry
the greatest. I remember in eighth grade, DJ Strawberry almost

(24:34):
dunked on us in our basketball game. Yeah, that was strawberries. Yeah, yeah,
yeah like that, and it was weird. He like his
school had like a carpet gym. Did you guys ever
playing gyms like that, Like carpeted floor, like a carpeted Jim.
I had new basketball shoes. I was ready to play
on parque and I was like, I'm sorry, it's carpet

(24:55):
in here. It's carpet in here. What is going on?
I don't know what. I don't know what was going
on in California like in the nineties, but there were
some spots that had like it was like on the court,
the court was carpet. It was like very dense carpet.
That's that's not okay. Yeah, no, Like to the point
when you came in, you're like, am I hearing like
a basketball game being played through a styrofoam cup? Because

(25:18):
when the ball hit the floors, like like it wasn't
that snap of it here? And the way those games
or points should have counted. Thank you, vacate those games,
thank you. Then c double steps in. It is like
nobody who played in any of these games can go
to a n C double a school. It's it's illegal.

(25:39):
Academic pursuit you are not allowed to. Just I'm trying
to engauge, like come up with the thinking that arrives
at that, because like the worst thing to fall on
and have rub against your body when you're like running
at full speed is carpet. And they were like, you
know what would be good for people a contact sport

(26:01):
where you fall down a lot, especially when Dan get
Zurich is dunking all over you. Carpet. Let's let's go
with that. Yeah, I don't know ory friction. Yeah, it's weird.
It's it was just jim floor carpeting because like it
was one of those things that had all their lines
on it, like like a I don't know, it must
have been discount or something. Anyway, do we want to

(26:22):
talk about our teams going against one another? Jack that
almost ruined us? I mean it was, it was a
good game. I mean, it's just it was like the
hard bit was that clear foul on Russell Westbrook by
Joel Embiid, But then the league's like, according to our analysis,
that's not a foul, and like Lakers fans like that
from games. We're dying over here. But you know what,

(26:46):
it all melted away because Like I said, Joel Embiid
is a gunner, so you know he also supports the
right football club. So eleven from Joel Lebron continue to
look incredible reach thirty K not a great close out
for it wasn't great. It wasn't great, but look, it

(27:08):
is what it is. So this is why I like,
I'm doing that Homer Simpson bush gift or I'm wearing
my Lakers uniform as I go back. Yeah, all right,
should we take one more break and come back and
do the rapid fire. Let's talk about some questions after this.
Oh yeah, and we're back and guess what, y'all as

(27:38):
I smashed my microphone about the studio, it's time to
close this episode out with the rapid fire round up.
I was gonna guess that I should have said it.
I just well, right now, but I told you you
don't get points because you knew it was going to happen.
We went out anyway. Let's let's get to the point though.
This is the most fast paced rapid questioning segment are

(28:00):
in sports podcasting history. Kelly, We're gonna ask you questions.
You answer, don't think, don't over analyze, don't don't aggrandize,
don't know you're analyze. Don't analyze at all, just yeah,
just like analyze this. The second we ask a question,
favorite movie, you answer right back, baby, Actually mine is
analyzed that I got the sequel, wasn't the sequel? Analyze that? Yeah, exactly,

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all right, whatever, we can't get sidetrack, Jack, we gotta
keep umping. We gotta stay focused here. So we're gonna
ask you a question. We're gonna start the clock and
then you just answer, Kelly, are you ready the readiest? Okay,
here we go because this is fast, so prepare yourself.
Start the clock. So mean. So I'm sorry, Brian. I
just want you to know, super producer, Brian, I'm holding

(28:45):
space for you, and you can start the clock whenever
you wish, Brian. Jack can't save you, he can't save you.
You better start that clock. Start the clock. It's true.
I'm terrified, Brian. I'm not gonna save you. I'm not
gonna stand up for any one. All right, Jack, we
gotta keep this and let's see who's gonna go first,
You or me? Rock paper scissor already go rock paper scissors, shooting,

(29:06):
rock paper scissor. Shoot. Oh, I got you Chris Rock
over here. Okay, all right, I'm gonna do it again
with my first question. Here we go, Kelly. Is Jalen
Rose's hairline too good to be true? No, it's true.
He's from Michigan. Okay, we like to helines. We can't

(29:27):
fathom it. It's just so hard to process great legs hair.
It's it's it's all that fresh air. Oh you go
to the Detroit, Canada border. Oh my gosh, it's just
like looking at the Sea of tom Born, Midwest where
it's at paper. I gotta tell you love, love, the whole,

(29:50):
whole whole. Look, he's Jalen Rose has never looked on cool, Yeah,
but trulier, and he has no reason to avoid baldness
because he looks great bald the became famous. Can't have
it always, is what we're saying. Kelly, he can't have it.
It's infuriating. But but if anyone's earned it. Yeah, that's
true again. All right, let's keep it moving, Kelly. No

(30:13):
of that. I mean, you have Twitter for making a
pizza joke or something like that at him one day,
so you know I shouldn't be on his side, but
not come on, he'said a tremendous broadcaster and had a
wonderful player. Yeah, and that hair. So I feel like
I'm looking at like images from the James Webb telescope. Wait,
does he have like some spicy pizza takes? Yeah? What happened?

(30:33):
Were getting any techno signatures? Uh? No, I just thought
I made it. I made a joke about his draft
analysis that had him comparing different types of pizzas to
one another, and uh, apparently it's too popular for his tastes.
I thought he g rated and very funny. But you know,
these people are under a lot of stress on draft. Yeah. Uh,
and Kelly. Look, and while I do love that personal anecdote,

(30:55):
we really do have to keep things moving, which is
why I'm gonna ask you this next question. Contender, verse
is pretender? Are you ready? And this is for the
title as currently constituted, And the title is the NBA title,
the National Basketball Association Championships that's currently cost Here we go, Nuggets, Oh,
absolute contender, Okay, the Allans Pelicans, pretender, Wow, I have

(31:21):
to see. I respect their defensive intensity. You think that
guys like Dison and Trey and or grow between now
and then? As I can put any team over the top,
and I need to see a little more playmaking from c. J. McCollough.
It's totally trust Okay, okay, you know what shot making?
Shot making? Yeah, that's why I trust Denver. You know
that game when are the yok unfurled the other night?

(31:42):
That's just king shot maker. That took longer than some
baseball games. Uh. And also a wise man by the
name of Alice Cooper taught me how to pronounce this.
But the Bucks of Millie Wauke absolute concenter, absolute consenter,
not because of the the What do the bass players
say the three socialist mayors that they've elected. Uh, they're

(32:05):
they're they're a champion at the bit because they feel
like they were wronged by a wet spot in the
United Center floor. And for this I cannot blame them.
They are they are a frightening basketball team in all regards.
And Brook Lopez is having an outsize defensive season that
I wish we'll get more and more recognition. Um, all right,
you have the chance to win ten thousand dollars by
making a layup with each hand dollars to make five

(32:28):
or five free throws, where one thousand dollars to make
at least four or five from deep. You are shooting
at the Spurs game that broke the record for attendance,
and the crowd is not on your side. Um, they
know you're not from Texas. Uh, they they are hostile.
Which challenge are you taking? I'm gonna have to take

(32:49):
the layouts. I'm sorry. I'm not a shooter. I'm not
here to shoot. I'm here to set screens and defend
and rebound. Okay, And it's not my fault that all
my teammates left me on court here to make tend
the brand. But that's what I want to do. Unless
the Texans don't get angry. The worst they do is
they call your boss and they're still really friendly to you.
So I can't you know, I can't really imagine all

(33:11):
those texts sixty two thousand or whatever it was. That
ain't right. But no, come on, I'm great at the
bobbla near left hand lap, so I can't you can't
trust my stroke? Com Yeah, I'm gonna hit four or five.
Oh and it is. It is one of those uh
backyard basketball hoops where you can just like drill it

(33:31):
against the just throw it as hard as you can
and then dropped straight up top straight up, stop just
straight away because it absorbs all the energy because all
the screws are loosens, like my like how full it
just dropped like yeah, you just gotta hit the square man.
I gotta say, ZERK didn't want to see me on
that basketball on my home court then then when because

(33:52):
he would have broken broken the rim after the first
dunk and then we would have been done. You like
NBA jam, I love it, Okay, unless you're playing Charlotte,
then I get really upset. It seems like me to me,
they were a little overrated on that game, but you know,
the high powered, high powered you you couldn't usually were
like you can't have Zoe and LJ. But it's just
like you gotta be your dues, you know how Just

(34:13):
to me, they were just you know, too young, but
that you know, I was an old thirteen year old. Okay,
well then how about this? Who is your ultimate NBA
J M duo? And don't say m j M Pitt
Come on, it's it's it's the What was the RP
that only had VJ and Horace? Was that a thing?
I think I remember that? Yeah, yeah, I love that
but that's just modern NBA right there. That's more freeze

(34:34):
and stretch chords. So you know, if you're looking to
slam a jam and get you know, on fire and
the flag on all those nineties things, fine, But if
you're looking to make some points for possession trying to
look at your offensive efficiency through the riff, you're gonna
go with Courts. You're gonna go with b J gonna
through a sensible NBA jam game. That's my approach. You
guys want to slam a jam, go ahead. Yeah, And

(34:56):
I do think it was a statistical advantage to get
on fire personally, but I don't know you can put
together an all time four man dunk contests. Let's get
your list Thence Carter, Fence, Carter, Vince Carter, Okay, Freddie Jones,
Desmond Mason. It would probably be Chris car and Deep

(35:22):
maybe Mike Finley because I'd like to see those guys
get another dump test chance because if you go him
on YouTube, you know Mike Finley that the cart wheel.
Chris Carr was way better than he than he performed.
Fred Jones won it, but he was still better than that,
and doesn't Mason's just fun to watch jump. So I'm
gonna go with those four unheralded times. Love that love

(35:43):
the cart wheel. And here's my question for you. You
can go back in time and watch any single NBA
game from throughout history live in person. Which game are
you choosing to be at? I would go Game two
of the six Eastern Conference Finals, where up on the
Chicago Bulls came back from any team point episode at

(36:03):
halftime to overtake him. I feel like that is not
to put any dispersions on Doc Rivers and Bob Neil's
call for TVBS, which was which was wonderful, But you
know that that seem to be like the front Tuesday
Night from the burgeoning Chicago spring. So probably that one,
the Wilt one is always enticing. But I don't want

(36:24):
to see a lot of free throws. No one wants
to see that. I mean, okay, Grady hit free things,
get out of here. Yeah, I want to see Dennis
Scott missing threes and never come back from that. All right.
And finally, and I want to make it clear to everyone,
I'm not weeping openly at this point. So anybody who
said that I put pressure on the guests by weeping openly.

(36:46):
I'm hiding the fact that I'm weeping. The question is
Jack or Miles. It's gonna be Jack because of the tees,
the way they blend into his cheekbones. It's just listening. Yeah,
cool run here. I'm on a freaking run here. Sorry,
I don't know if the viewers can kind of wait,

(37:06):
doesn't it to be consecutive? Stopped crying. It's actually gotten
worse since we switched to Mike's five times. This is jewels.
Tears are missing it up. He's biting his fists. This
is okay. I don't know if they end every show
like this, but it's quite spectable. But yeah, Jack, it's
definitely Jack cool Man. All right, Kelly, Well, thanks so

(37:28):
much for stopping by. Miles and jackot mad Man. Oh
this is so pathetic. Look I'm fine, and that is
courage water coming out my because I'm sick on you
next time. Wow, you're doing those like arms stretches like

(37:50):
he just came out of my side, Like right now,
that's just the sun's shining. I didn't even notice the
sun was shining today. Wow. Something California really is beautiful.
You know, the swallows have returned from their winter. What
all right, Kelly, thanks so much for real for joining us.
Where can people find you and follow you and support

(38:13):
you and all that good stuff. Just google Kelly Dwyer
and NBA. I got a sub stack. We talked about
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a good time and it's it's it's a laugh and
it's cheap. It's five bucks and uh yeah go subscribe
and uh yeah, that's that's that's a boot get if
you having me on that, this was this was a
tremendous and I'm glad we've brought a ray of sunshine

(38:33):
into ut into Jack's house. Not only that, I'm about
to go to Lake Superior and dunk my head in.
If you knew, you knew, that's that's the cure. That's
what all rogaine is is Lake Superior water. Go to
the great lad Yeah, cleanse yourselves in the water of

(38:55):
Lake Superior. Thank you all for listening. Be sure to
follow us on Twitter at mad boost these M A
D B double O, S T I E s uh
and our tweets of the week man Molly Morrison. As
we're saying off the top rope, Yeah, the spurs an
all time attendance record at the Alamo Dome. Molly tweeted, yeah,

(39:19):
like quote, tweeted the video with all sixty eight thousand
fans there and said, yeah, everybody showed up with the Spurs. Well,
come on, that's not fair. And also it's a testament
to what great fans the Spurs have that they're showing
up in record numbers to see this team. You know,
that's called dedication, dedication, that's love Spurs game on a

(39:41):
Friday night down there. As a as a past attendee,
I highly recommend it is such a convivial, fun atmosphere.
Whether they're Tim Duncan and it up or in the
middle of the pack, I highly recommended there. You go there.
And we also asked some of our listeners for the
best in game dunkers of all time, and people came
back with at Nest egg Up tweeted number five, Kobe four,

(40:02):
Vince three, Shawn Camp to Michael as in Jordan's and
one Wilkins as in Dominique II. Key Hemp put number five,
Mike Jout, number four, Bron three, The rain Man, Shawn Camp, two,
Vince and then one Jamil Okay and then Dad Sham
Dad we love that one. I love Dasham Dad, just

(40:26):
as Sean Camp says, high, Yeah, we're gonna take that.
Many people who were. I think it was pretty consistent
with like Vince m j Nique Shawan Camp, kind of those.
But thank you everybody who wrote in. We'll see you
next time. Bye bye