September 28, 2018 • 63 mins
In episode 241, Jack and Miles are joined by comedians Jamie Loftus and Noah Gardenswartz to discuss Dr. Christine Blasey Ford's testimony, Brett Kavanaugh's testimony, the Steak Umm's Twitter account going off, and more!
FOOTNOTES:
1. Brett Kavanaugh and Christine Blasey Ford testify on sex assault allegations
2. Does Brett Kavanaugh like drinking beer? Here, let him tell you.
4. The Steak-Umm Twitter Dropped The Most Woke Tweet Rant Of 2018
5.WATCH: Knox Fortune - Lil Thing
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season fifty, episode five
of Dirt Daily's eight Guys for Friday, September two thousand eight.
Team my names Jack O'Brien aka Return of the Jack.
Come on, Return of the Jack O'Brien, Return of the Jack.
Here I am. You know that I'll be Jack. That
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is courtesy of Christie mcgoucci main and I'm thrilled to
be joined as always, buy my co host, Mr Miles
Gray in the gravy. Miles will sail the seventh seasoned
in the gravy. He'll put this gangit ease over this
bullshit that we just saw. D C in the grad
(00:43):
just had all that other ship. But thank you to
add Devon Jay size for them on kind of on
the village people wave right now, Yeah, because I like
all the occupations that you represence. So yes, shout out
to you Devon Jay. Well, we are thrilled to be
joined by two amazing comedians. We got little dam in
the house. It's Jamie Loftus. What's up not? Everything's going great?
(01:04):
I think yes, the world is good. Women one we
did it just kidding. I've got someone gave me a
new AKA. Can I use it. Yeah, Lebron Jamie. It's
simple but effective, like King James, Queen Queen James, Queen James,
(01:25):
Queen James. Uh. And we're also thrilled to be joined
by Noah garden Chwarts. What's up? Man just came up
with my own ak. What you know about that? Oh?
What you know about that? What you know about I
know all about that? No, no who got to come?
(01:48):
Oh Man, that's the song that I'm more familiar with. Uh. Well, great, Noah,
before we get to know you a little bit better,
You're gonna be doing our over under and Jamie is
third host to day. Uh. But we just wanted to
tell people what we're gonna be talking about. We're gonna
be talking about that bullshit we all just watched the
Kavanaugh hearing. Dr Blassie Ford's testimony. Uh, and then appropriately enough,
(02:14):
we'll be talking about the stake ums Twitter rant. But
that's about it. Those are probably the two biggest things
in this mostly the stakes Twitter natural transition. But yeah,
we're doing like an hour on the stake comes Twitter. Yeah,
I mean, like you just said, we already did the
bit about how everything solved now after the weird display,
So steaks is a frozen sandwich. Guys, I'm not sure
(02:36):
if you've heard about it. We'll get into that later. Yeah, myles,
we'll be giving the entire history of just can't can't.
I thought it was dog food. Myself texted me about that. No, uh,
dog food? But first, no, what is something from your
(02:58):
search history that is revealing bad who you are? The
two things I searched last night was the Pieta, which
I believe is a sculpture by Michaelangelo because I was
reading this book called My Name is astra Lev and
they kept referencing it and I had never heard of it.
And I also had to google the Rams defense because
I'm playing them in Fantasy football tonight. You want to
see about I keep to leave injury? And so I
(03:21):
went real highbrow low brow with my search history there.
What is the PA looks like somebody holding somebody? Yeah,
I believe they're holding Jesus, Mary holding Jesus. Yeah, Mary
holding Jesus, buddy, which would explain why I didn't know
a lot about it. Yeah, yeah, man, what's wrong with you?
You're such a bad You're not a fan of my
man j C. Come on, bro uh putting words of
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my mouth here. You know who else is it? You? Jesus?
Was that in a meet the parents like you're a
good company? Yeah you know? Uh wow uh, And we'll
be saying wow for the rest of this episode. What
is something you think is overrated? No? Overrated? Outdoor weddings.
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Put it out there. I recently got engaged and there
was a lot of discussion, and I that was, like,
the one thing I put my foot down is I
am in no way having to worry about rain or
bad weather or it being too hot in me and
all my groom's been sweating. Like, there's so little you
can control on that day. Let me control the elements
right right. Outdoor weddings. Do you know what part of
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the country might be getting married in? I know exactly Denver, Colorado,
And so my fiance wanted like a mountain view and
I was like nope, Like yeah, yeah, the compromises at
the party. I think we're gonna have a photo booth
with the red rocks green screen. Dave Matthews is playing
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the weddings. Hell. I don't think I've ever been at
an outdoor wedding where I didn't sweat through at least
my shirt just because there always Yeah, it's just never.
And the one outdoor wedding I've been to in Colorado,
I swept through my whole suit. It was sore embodies.
And also it's like, I get it, beaches, mountains, it
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can all look beau, but people act like they've never
seen a beach or never seen the mountain. Right. You
see it for a minute and then it's over. Yeah,
it's funny everyone outdoor wedding. One of the last ones
I went to very hot one before that fucking rained,
and like was like I had to give up my
jacket to like so someone else didn't have to get
all their hair and ship messed up and so I
ended up with like a silk dress shirt and jacket.
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And I was like, and in the history of outdoor weddings,
is there ever been anyone that was like that was
a perfect day. I have been to one it was amazing,
but it was in Guatemala, so maybe it's just America.
I went to one that was almost perfect, except it
was too hot during the thing. And also you have
to worry about the your grooms men's taste in sunglasses
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because that into factor and like those are never good
like you need somebody like Jamie who has like dope
minimal hacker I wear, yeah, minimalist sunglasses. Say all that
to say team indoors. When you say that, it makes
you think you had a groomsman who had like those
Oakley over the top sunglasses that went like literally hugged
(06:16):
everybody has. Yeah, the sunglass of the woman that called
the cops on the Oakland Barba. Yeah, the wrap around type.
And then one dude has the flip upshades when the
bread's coming down? Whoa its commercial? Duane Waynes, Daye Waynes.
What is something you think is underrated? Underrated? Taco Bell?
(06:38):
Being Burritos had one on the way over here, the
being Burrito though. Yeah, that Taco Bell gets a lot
of love on this show, but I don't think enough
people have talked about the being burrito. That's why it's underrated.
It's a vegetarian option, isn't it. Yeah, it is a
vegetarian option. It's inexpensive but filling. It's not like you
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never feel gross after eating this because when you start
eating that quote unquote meat, right, that's when it gets
so when your stomach gets defeat. Did you say, are
you vegetarian. You just did to avoid the worm meat.
No I am. I am recently vegetarian, but but I
like I grew up in a kosher home, so I
was allowed to meet anyway. So I just grew up
on the being burritos, and I've always loved them. It's
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like a security blanket for me. Yeah, you said you're
recently vegetarian or reasonably vegetar. Recently, in the last six months,
I went vegetarian. How you doing, man? Good doing fine?
I found your fast food. I'm still awake and strong
enough to make it like you left the How you been?
Is it all right? Is it cool out there? It's fine,
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that's not scary, like the preacher says. So yeah, at
my wedding, it's gonna be indoor. We're serving being burritos.
I'll bring my own, you know what I mean. And finally,
what is a myth? What's something people think is true
that you know to be false, what I know to
be false. People think it's true is that Ikea will
break up couples or that Ikea is the instant couple fighter.
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I actually think I actually think Ikea brings couples together.
I think it's an awesome place to go with your
significant Damn, that's such an optimist squid looking at it. Yeah, well,
you know, I feel I feel like you should have
a shared vision of the space you're trying to create,
and on top of that, go get a delicious meal
at the cafeteria afterwards. Has such a beautiful may there.
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I think there is like a spectrum of ways to
react to going It is a test test, but you
can but it's a passable test. Yeah, but it's up
to you how you respond, because you can get upset
and be like, well, then that's it, we hate each other.
Or you can be like, well, let's look at while
we're mad and let's try and figure this out. Well,
I'm saying, I don't even understand where you're in. The
fighting comes from. We were having there's just so many
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options to go and so is my partner her majesty,
and we have competing visions for the future. So when
we have to go there, it's like a reckoning where
we have to reconcile, like our very divergent views of
like furniture and things like that. So and but like
I said, it's a test where we then learned a compromise,
but I can't say that it's like we walk in
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there in this rainbow city. Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I'm generally indifferent towards most things. I'm not gonna fight
tooth and nail over a couch as long as it's
comfortable to sit on, and I'll let her pick the colors,
right right. The last time I went to Ikea with
with someone, we were it was getting contentious that we
will passed the TV where the Aristocats was playing, and
we're like, oh, this is perfect, watched twenty minutes of
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the Aristocats and we're back to one. We'll start again,
right right, But yeah, did you go there for anything?
But like we went there for curtains, you know, we
were looking for like a bed frame. There was another
competing visions issue. See it's luckily there though too Like there,
it's either like you have when you know your budget,
it's easy to make a decision because there's only probably
three things in your budget and there's just a lot
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of reasonable options, right. But it does. It tends to
happen in a relationship when things are going up a notch.
And I think the reason it has its repute patient
is because some some relationships aren't ready to go up
that notch. This would be a great branded podcast with Ikea.
They give us one thousand dollars and find a couple.
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We let them to a shopping spree, but we record
everything and then no one can do like a postmortem
with them, like how'd that go? Like how you feeling
about this? I felt good about that. I feel like
the few times I've done this podcast that if I
tried to bust you guys are kind of on board
with So this is the first one where I felt
like I actually no, yes, like you guys felt like
I KEA was a fight starter. Yeah no, But then
you made me look at my horse ship and be like,
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am I just being cynical? And I up the problem
is and I'm tearing up the divorce papers in my bag.
After the thank you, we've all learned something. The night
stands not worth it. Alright, guys, let's talk about the
ship show. We just watched Kavanaugh D day as we
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have it labeled on our document for the day. Uh so, yeah,
I don't know first impressions. What are you as the thoughts? Well,
I guess for people, let's just give you a recap
if somehow you've been living on our fucking rocks. So
today was a day that Brett Kavanaugh and Christine Blassie
Ford were both going to give testimony to the Senate
Judiciary Committee where they would talk about her allegations or not.
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And you know, like we talked about yesterday's episode, the
GOP so bravely chose a woman prosecutor to cross examine
Dr Ford so they would avoid really having any clips
of them that are usable in an attack. Ad really
is what that was, because there are no optics of
them being like, what did you think, Chuck Grassley, I'm
(11:35):
sorry off top yo, my man, we have to have
term limits. Like this guy is a like even Pat
there's a lot of older people in the Senate where
you're like husks, yeah, man, husks that are just withering
in the wind, and you're like, just like we have
moved on and you've stayed fixed, like cartoon versions of
old men. Yeah, like the exaggerated cartoons I could have.
(11:57):
Chuck Grassie came off like a dude arguing whether or
not he's allowed to take his leftovers from All you
can Eat buffet. We was like, I, well, I paid for.
This is your Salisbury steaks, so I should be able
to take it home and just bread. Like it was
every now and then he would interject with it, and
he could not, despite the fact that they had it
set up so that he would not, you know, interact
in any negative way with women, he could not stop
(12:20):
interrupting women. It was just NonStop because a lot of
I mean not that it is just like not a
shock and if anyone is shocked at people interrupting women
in uh any space at any point, at this point,
it's like fucking grow up. There's no more if I
and I was thinking about this today of like, uh,
(12:43):
very rarely, like people are not really expressing that much
surprise at this happening. Now. Now it's just happening, and
you make of it what you do. Something that bothered
me about the coverage of this story, uh that we
were we were all watching it the CNN Live and
(13:03):
uh again it's like the twenty four news. Our cycle
is treated like fucking ESPN a lot of the time.
But that felt like especially on display today where there
was one point towards the end of the hearing where
they like took a five minute break and they cut
to like a fucking ESPN table full of commentators who
were all taught, Like you could have literally switched out
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Kavanaugh and Ford or even like men and women with
any two sports teams, and it was indistinguishable. And it
was just just it's it's so weird and conflicting where
it's like, it's this incredibly important moment, but it's also
being treated and at some point played for by people
I fundamentally agree with as entertainment. And you know, like
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the even in you know, the big theatrical court, you know,
people save their headliners for last, and you know, you
see Ted Cruz comes out at the very end, and
and Booker comes out at the very end, and just
the whole fucking production of it. And and that was
something about Christine Plasi Ford's um testimony that I found
(14:09):
very compelling is that, I mean, aside from all the brave,
horrendous ship she has to relive again for this fucking
national stage, just acknowledging that like, yeah, no one wants
to do this, and to an extent, she's being asked
to perform for better or worse for everybody, and and
(14:30):
drudge up all this fucking trauma for everybody that she
says at the beginning, like I don't want to do this.
I don't want to be here and for and and
and like you know, she she doesn't want to perform
for people because to some extent, every person in that
fucking room is performing something. And some of them are
(14:51):
performing something I agree with some of them are, but
all of them are performing. Lindsey Graham got his performance. Um,
she was incredibly compelling and very very human. It was
like an island of humanity in the middle of all
this grandstanding and you know, Dannatt, Dannatt, all right, it's
(15:13):
time for the main event. Like everybody was just really
treating it like you know, and then they would get
the uh, you know, faux solemnity and be like this
is very serious issue, but like it was definitely treated
like the fucking Super Bowl is well yeah yeah, yeah.
And even like the brevity like pundits offer, like saidden
that they have a moment to laugh, it's still kind
of shitty when you were really looking at what this
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situation is. And I feel like even I remember as
I watch it and like trying to sort of to
deflect my own discomfort and like embarrassment as a man
in a society where this is how women are treated,
we're just sort of being like, yeah, like this is
fucking shitty. I feel like watching it, I just like
this seems like the worst way to actually mediate something
(15:55):
like this. But again, it was clearly like this part
is in dog fight thing wherever one had their combatant
in there and whatever, the collateral damage to these people
didn't matter because they like they're playing another game two
outside of this, which is for the Republicans when the
culture war stacked the Supreme Court and the Democrats is
just like, let's just try and block as much as
(16:16):
the ship we can. And like, I guess these these
two people happened to be the conduits for that to
all go down in. But yeah, it was. It was.
It was one of those things too, like even as
you talk about the commentary, people would go into like
her performance performance his performance. Yeah, And and there was
there was like one SoundBite that was like, well, as
(16:38):
we know historically, the women always lose, and I'm like,
you could just put in a fucking football team name there,
what are you Someone in CNN said that the women,
the women like the rams are the bears, Like it's
just fucking ridiculous the way these stories are covered. I mean,
that's not the huge point here, but it was something
(16:59):
that uh stuck out to me, especially on viewing this today,
and even like you know, like us and and the
whole world gathered around it like it's a sports game.
It's it's to a degree, it's like you it's so
important and we all need to be watching, but it's
also disturbing the way that we all consume it and
the and the I don't know, yeah, well it's like
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a cultural super Bowl Sunday where everyone's like new people
were like taking time out of the day to watch
it because it's a very important moment. What Dr Ford
did is very important, and but you think to like
it also, we were reading stories about people who uh
Nick was telling us about, like you know, women who
were watching and brought to tears hearing her testimony, but
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they were Trump supporters and after they kind of wipe
their tears and when were like, yeah, but you know what,
I still don't think I think having not still be
confirmed like it was, people were still compartmentalizing what was
going on to service this like culture war, this zero
sum game where they either the Democrats win or the
Republicans win, and that's it. That's all. They're only looking
attitude that prison. That's a lot of the unfortunate part
(18:03):
about it is no matter what happened today, people's minds
were made up going into it, And unfortunately, I think
we've all grown so cynical to know that, like it's
probably not going to change anything. Yeah uh but but
I think if we were all too place bets right now,
I would assume his information is going to go through. Unfortunately.
I wrote last night just as I was like thinking
(18:25):
about what was coming up, and also we were coming
off of that Trump press conference where he just like
did trump jazz like but like really unhinged and didn't
really seem to be coherent for two hours. I was
like thinking about how people responded, and you clearly saw
like everybody who I know was like, what the funk?
This guy is clearly unhinged and a lunatic. But the
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the other side was like, this is why we elected him,
And I do I really do think that we're at
this point now where it's it's not just that like
people are. I think we tend to think that the
other side sees what we see and they're just like
wilfully ignoring it or like bluffing and just pretending like
(19:10):
something else happened. But I honestly think they legit like
see something different. Their brain is absorbing different information. Well.
It is a double edged sort though, because like a
lot of the a lot of the post conference commentary
was talking about how if their performances, for lack of
a better word, were flipped and he was really composed
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and polite and she would have come out belligerent and
argument of and combative, people would have been talking about
how horrible it was that she was that way, while
a lot of people are also saying the Republicans were
relieved that the fact that he came out guns blazing
and took a really strong stance. And so it's like
exactly what they're saying they liked about the way he
approaches exactly what she would have been blamed for had
she had taken on that kind of time. Oh yeah,
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it's like Brett Kavanaugh is like too emotional to be
a hysterical man. And that's the other takeaway is I
think he's guilty, But regardless of whether he's found guilty
or innocent of this I think the lack of composure
he showed at this press conference is an entirely different,
less important discussion on why he might not be fit
(20:12):
for the Supreme Court. And also there I forget which
Democratic senator brought this up, but there there was. It
might have been I don't want to get wrong, but
there was one person who brought it to his attention,
you know, with that like, you know, applying it to
his own job of like if you were looking at
this situation objectively and you think what's happening is okay,
(20:35):
you're a bad judge, Like you want the best evidence, right, Yeah,
I think it was, Yes, it was, And it was
like that was one of the more cogent points I
thought made in this entire thing to him at least
if like, you know, you can deny, deny, deny all
you want, but like you're not even doing good at
the job you're supposed to be elected to at that moment.
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And when Durbin was calling him out about like basically
saying just opening self up to the FBI investigation, you're
saying you're willing to clear your good name right and
take any necessary measures to do that. Will you let
on the FBI investigation. That's when he was like as
clumsily stumbling over his words and evading questions. Yeah, more
at that point than any other point. Ye, it seems
like the two like each each the Democrats and Republicans
(21:18):
had their their strategy, and for the Republicans it was
just hammer this point in that Diane Feinstein sat on
this allegation to the zero hour and then suddenly sprung
it on us. Yeah at the at the at the
zero hour, that's not fair, Like, what's that about? It
doesn't that's irrelevant. And like they started this started the
day out like giving her timeline from her perspective exactly
(21:42):
forwards perspective, and it was you know, she didn't want
to come forward. She know it was gonna ruin her life,
but she eventually did because you know, she felt like
it was her civic duty. But they kept going back
to that idea that here, we're going to take a
quick break, we're gonna continue talking about this right when
we get back. And we're back. And so something we
(22:14):
talked about heading into on yesterday's episode was, uh, that
TV is a very volatile, you know medium that can
go in a lot of different ways. That aren't necessarily
representative of what's happening in the room. Like the people
always say that Nixon verse JFK debate where supposedly Nixon one,
(22:34):
but because he looked like shit, he was ugly and sweaty,
people are just like, yeah, funk that guy. And Howard
Dean's like scream where like in the room nobody nobody
heard it, but because he was like miked up, it
sounded louder than it was. But anyways, I would just
(22:57):
say upfront that she was amazingly compelling, like as a
as a witness, you know, and just yeah, like we said,
came across as human. And he you know, this was
his third try at it. And I do think that
if he had had the same you know, energy that
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he had had during his hearing, where it was like
clear he was like evading and you know, sidestepping that
it probably wouldn't have gone well for him because they
needed something like if he looked at Fox News after
her testimony, it was literally like looking at the home
teams like Network when they're getting the ship kicked out
(23:38):
of them at halftime. They were just like they were
just like that was not good. That was not good
for Republicans. She was incredibly believable. And then you know,
they needed some change shift in energy. They couldn't just
have him come out and say denied, denied, deny. They
needed like something and he yeah, he came out with this.
(24:01):
It was really weird. It was definitely something. It was
angry and cry it's bad. Well yeah, off top, he's screaming.
So if you just juxtaposed to their demeanor as they go,
I am having trouble controlling the volume of but yeah,
you could just tell that one person was clearly speaking
from a sincere place, from their own personal experience, and
(24:22):
another person was very defensive and evasive and just could
not you know, like we were saying, if this, if
he's truly innocent, and you were about to be a
Supreme Court justice, I would imagine the demeanor of that
person say, I can't believe I'm here, this is unsubstantiated.
I would have I would like I would love to
have an investigation done to clear my name. Not I
(24:43):
like beer and if feminist texted me, therefore I'm innocent.
Like it was all this, like he just went down
this list of really lame arguments like the the new
like I had a friend who was sexually assaulted, therefore,
how could I be some kind of He also really
made sure to hit on what dude's names, drug history
and talking about yeah, basically discredit that they would get
(25:06):
him to speak. He fucking came in like ally weak,
ask ally attempts blazing. I was personally offended. He was
wearing a pectel cast T shirt. The entire the entire
was like that, no one's going to fall for that ship,
like the pushy gray. It was ridiculous, but they're typical
(25:26):
pandering the whole like tenor of that just sounded like
the you know, the dying like breaths of someone who's
drowning and someone who feels like the the rules have
changed in the middle of the game for them, That's
what we were saying. Yeah, Like every time the Republican
to speak to him, it was like two toxic bros
(25:47):
being like, Yo, I'm so sorry about this man, like like, well,
it started out with and then they were just immediately like, yo,
she's not right because her line of questions sort of
almost affirmed that there may have been an assault. And
then well and and when we're talking Rachel Mitchell, Yeah,
(26:08):
when she said to Christine Blossiford at the end, you know, like,
do you know this that what we're doing is not
the best way to address this problem? And it's like, yeah,
I think we are all on some level, no, but
we're all watching it, so like it was funny to see.
I don't know, I almost took that as her acknowledging,
like almost taking a shot at Republicans, like, yeah, they're
(26:29):
also now. I think she probably felt like, damn, this
is even crazy for me because I'm usually prosecuting offenders
and now you're having me cross examine a victim. I
don't know how the funk she I mean, I don't
know much about the history of how she got involved
in this trial, but what a strange thing to watch
because by the end it's like she's she's certainly not
(26:50):
helping the team. She's there to help, but she's not.
I mean, she's not helping anyone. She's just sort of
like wandering around this discussion. So they wanted to portray
this whole thing as a court case so that they
could say, well, you haven't proved beyond kept on reiterating
you are not on trial. You are not on trial.
He but her rhythm was that of an actual court
(27:12):
case where you have all day to you know, cross
examine and examine the witness. And it was just too slow,
I think. And it's more fucking theater that is not
necessary and and the it is. It was funny hearing
the like this is you're not on trial and repeated
to Kavanaugh especially of like you know, this isn't a trial,
(27:33):
but you know, like it is. The onus is on
her to prove that she was raped, which is just that,
which is I mean not for everyone, but it's pretty
common knowledge of That is why it is so hard
to get rapists prosecuted, because it is so hard to
have physical evidence, because it's a fucking epidemic. Uh. And
(27:53):
you know, thirty six years after the fact is not
at all unusual. There was no something that I was
was really bothering me today was and and and you
know it's to to us and probably all of our listeners,
this is very clear. But it wasn't until the past
like three or four years, there was even language to
(28:15):
describe it and people who even sort of wanted to listen.
So thirty six years ago, anyone expressing like oh, well,
why is she just bringing it up now, it's like, dude,
First of all, there's evidence that it's not the first
time she's bringing it up. But also there were no
systems in place that were effective and there still really
aren't for this even happen to like be taking care
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of in any which way where it's like, I, I
have an experience like this that happened five years ago,
and even then when I was going to my school
and going to the city of the police of the
city I was living in at the time. This was
in two thousand fourteen, and there was still no clear
way and I had not received any education on uh,
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if this happens, this is what you do. So this
is so new of the fact that you would even
report this in a in a public way and expect
a result of some sort and and so the fact
that I don't know it's I've talked about it with
my mom a lot. I'd be interested in because Christine
Bozzy forwards my mom's age and my mom, I mean,
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my mom had an experience like this when she was
eighteen that you just started talking about like a month ago,
because you know, in the late seventies, people did not
talk about this ship just didn't happen, and the way
this went down started to jump in. I think the
way this went down is just an example of how
we've still not sorted out how to address these issues,
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because even in this case where there's there there, in
the past, there's been protocol like maybe we investigate yeah
that much, but now we're jumping to conclusions without all
the evidence. And again we're in a situation where we're
just leaving it is like, well, we kind of know
what we know and then let's just do it's a
push or whatever it is. I do first of all,
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I'm sorry you went through that, Jamie, And I do
wonder because this was such a like triggering just the
testimony and then having you know, the her attacker. They're
just like being so angry and shouting like I do
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want to they say that Anita Hill triggered like the
year of the woman in the in Congress. With a
lot of women running for office, I do wonder how
much this will have some sort of impact like down
the road, especially if he gets confirmed tomorrow morning or
if they vote him. Uh, preg me if I'm wrong,
But there's already a record number of women running for Yeah, no,
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but I think it could. I think still not going
to be, though, I mean, I do wonder if there
will be like a big hope. You think that the
GOP's brand is so beyond repair at this point with
any rational person, right, anyone who may have been you
would have thought that for the last three exactly and
well and I and I get amazed every time, and
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that could be me just being a little too idealistic.
But yeah, I again, I think what we saw there
people who clearly are gonna believe what they need to
believe in the name of self preservation, and other people
were just in a constant state of disgust through the whole,
not necessarily even in just like a from a political standpoint,
but like what you're talking about the fact that there
aren't the laws in place, that we don't have the
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institutions in place to address this sort of thing, really
that not sufficiently at this point, like that women will
become more involved in the law, and the fact that
an assault case of of sorts is still being treated
on this circus like level to be is just like
more proof positive that people don't know how to handle
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these situations, because there's no world in which a nationally televised,
and the fact that people are, you know, of comparing
it to the I Need Hill case, which is very
I mean, the parallels are very clear. But it's like, okay,
so we're going to deal with this in the exact
same way thirty years later. Why why have there been
why have the systems in place not improved or changed
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at all? They're like the way things happened today. I mean,
even the fucking Republican prosecutors said, this is not how
justice or truth is. You know, this it's just not
and it's not fair to the victim at all. Where um,
you know, Christine Blazzie Ford was saying, you know, it's
it's such a difficult decision and uh, victims ideally should
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have agency over how they come forward. And and she
was not afforded that it was a time crunch and
it she had to agonize over the decision. And you know,
even in the movements of the like last week with
the why I Didn't report hashtag, were so many women,
um and victims in general were coming forward their stories.
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Those are such powerful movements that I think open a
lot of eyes and and does net good for the culture.
He goes, uh, but also I do think that the
culture and culture to culture do on the fourth weg
But but but in all seriousness, even those hashtags that
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are so powerful are still putting the responsibility on the victims,
and it puts the responsibility on us to say, you know,
prove that this is something that's been happening by revisiting
memories that are very painful that in all likelihood if
they were reported, we're not handled correct, And that way,
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I think we've regressed. You know this farm we still
do the same. I think there's a lot of value
to social activism on social media, like the hashtags. I
think they're affective for a lot of people. But at
the same time, there is an echo chamber effect where
all it's doing is the people who are pre shape
those hashtags are just reading them and either being triggered
or angered by the prevalence of how often you see
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it or how frequent they are, and the people who
could actually learn from them or are in denial about
those stories aren't actually paying attention to the hashtag that
becomes popular, I mean, and I guess that that turns
sort of into a discussion of like, who are these
hashtag movements? For necessarily as like, I don't know when
I when I tweeted out on on like a believe
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victims or so I believe survivors, or why I didn't
report or something like that. You know, I'm not necessarily
hoping that that gets to someone who's disagrees with me
or doesn't believe me. It's more of like a community
building thing and supporting each other. And you know, hopefully
if someone who was maybe on the fence about something
like that but knows me and trust me, that can
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be a push forward for some guys that want to
high school with that. I need you to talk to
for me, just to kind of bring them over, make
them more progressive. That's the thing that I worry that
I wonder about too, Like you say, no, like there
are people who need to actually confront these these kinds
of societal problems we have. But there's clearly a version
of America where you can operate in this bygone era
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where you don't have there is no reckoning still and
I like this was a moment you think obviously that
it shows how far how little we've actually moved forward
that they could have said I'm sorry, Like as a
like this just on a human level is bullshit or whatever,
But clearly again there are they're competing versions. And even
like we said when they were so apologetic to Brett
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Kavanaugh and things like who's your empathy for? Yeah, you know,
and that whole idea, Yeah, I can't believe they're changing.
They're calling fouls now all of a sudden, there's a
great New York Times opinion piece about how America has
a hympathy issue where we only feel sympathy for powerful
men and like if a president gets like assassinated or
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brought down by scam, then we really empathize with them.
But because that's like we're a misogynist culture that you know,
when you look at the movies, the people we put
in the main character who we're supposed to identify with
or tend to be men right sucking don drapers and ship.
There I one more thing to say about how these
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how the pressure is on victims to to come forward
and say shit is I mean, the the idea. I
was talking about this with a friend of mine the
other day where we were sort of revisiting you know,
it's almost been a year since Semi Too movement and
so much has moved forward and so much has absolutely not.
And we were just talking about like how having to
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do this over and over and over because like it
is like, okay, so we just have to fucking dust
off are like rape trauma every fall and like compose
another fucking thing every fall to remind people Like but
that is how this movement is work. And and every
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victim has a you know, it's every every situation is
so unique. And I think for me, especially towards the
beginning of working through that trauma, social media was helpful
and it felt like one of the only places where
I could speak for myself and not feel like, you know,
things were muddled and horrible. But you know, it's I
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feel like in in the couple of years since I've
started talking, I've been you know, talking about it for
three years or so, but even in that time, the expectation,
I feel like there's almost an expectation that you have
to talk about it now, not like this is an
option that's available to you where you sort of have
autonomy over what you say. UM so uh fun that well,
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that that was something I that was something I struggled
with during um that everything that happened today is I
was on Twitter, you know, as a comedian, my feet
is just full of comedians and so many Like I
understand trying to bring levity to a difficult situation. That's
at the heart of what we do, that's so important,
But at the same time, there's so many people they
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were clearly taking today as an opportunity to just try
to craft the perfect joke without offending, but still really
kind of making a joking. At the end of the day,
it was like very clear that their objective today was
not to understand or not to listen or to form
an opinion, but just to make sure that they got
three thousand retweets and like that. That entire culture within
the comedy community is so gross to me. And so
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it's also like, I know there's a lot of people
looking at certain people's social media feeds like how are
they not saying anything? Why wouldn't And it's like I
left this entire thing alone because I didn't want to
take part in that circus of like making sure that
you're crafting the perfect job, even if you're shipping on Kavanaugh.
You know, it's like just watch it and in formulate
(38:54):
a thought. Guilty of that, I think part of it too,
at least for me personally, was I of, you know,
there is such a level of frustration that I have
looking at this and many other aspects of what's going
on with the government, that that was a definitely a
way for like to awkwardly deal with my discomfort in
a way that is a way that I've expressed that
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just historically as a person. But yeah, I totally agree
like part of it too. I'm just like, as as
I was saying to Jamie, two is like there's still this,
yeah that we there's a spectacle version where I'm and
that's sort of how I've been inundated with media too
that you know, there's I can see it for what
it is, and then there's a layer I can step
(39:35):
back from and I go and this is a thing
to comment on two And it's not I guess, just
for my own comfort, can selectively engage with certain elements
of that. Like one is to actually talk about the
merits of what is actually happening. The other is a
spectacle of it, because on part of it is seeing
how shamelessly people on the right, sometimes on the left,
or like using this for just fodder or talking points
(39:57):
and then sometimes it's a commentary on that. Other times
it's trying to call you on the bullshit. But yeah,
I totally agree. I mean I think there is this, Yeah,
I was, I was having to reconcile the urge to
like say something or call something out, but in a
way that I don't have to live with how shitty
and dark the actual situation is. Yeah, I think that
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that's like a great point in general. Not I tried,
I mean, like you were sayings, I have engaged in
upsetting public events like this a bunch of times, and
it's like so fucked up to be like, how would
who I am on the internet interact with this? But
I think that that is something that a lot of
people are subconsciously thinking, kind of like what you were saying.
(40:39):
And I don't know. I mean, I tried to log
the funk out mostly today, but I still, you know,
fired off a Twitter or two and it is like,
I don't know, and I'm not trying to pass judgment
people know. But well, the other thing is like what
happened today would be well within the realm of things
that you regularly comment on. So it's like if I
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was going to your Twitter feed. I would expect you
to be speaking about it, whether it was through jokes
or not. But it's it's when people who obviously had
zero interest in this before today suddenly hop on the
bandback and I'm like, all right, there's a lot of
eyes on Twitter, and this is an opportunity for me
to ship seen. You know. It's like, if this is
what you actively engage in consistently, then that's part of
your brand. For lack of a better word than by
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all means, that's what you should be talking about. But
but if it's just like every single big social event
becomes an opportunity for you to craft the perfect joke
without paying attention to what's actually happening, that's when it
gets annoying. Yeah. No, I mean I'm I I feel
just like personally that I'm not above scrutiny even when
it's an issue that I care about. And I don't know,
(41:41):
even firing off a Twitter two today, I was like,
did you like, did you need to Uh, I don't
know something that I wanted everyone's opinion on. I guess
because I don't know where I've fallen. It was. I
was still like I opened my Twitter feed a couple
of times, even though I didn't engage that much. Uh,
there is a lot of the fucking like memes of
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Kavanaugh looking ugly and then adding ship like that that's
so normalized now, of like this is just what we do.
And I don't know, I think maybe it's a personal
preference but I'm sucking over it or whether I agree
with them or not seeing an unflattering picture of someone
and that I just I don't know. So there were
a couple of examples things to attack him over. There
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are a couple of examples of that where um, there
were a couple of pictures or like memes where he
was frozen in the midst of this like nose wrinkle
thing that he was doing over and over again. That
seemed to me like a tell like that he was
almost like had a facial twitch whenever he was lying
or like fighting something back, Yeah, fighting something back. And um,
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so I was okay with like getting a freeze frame
of like that because it did seem to I don't know,
capture something about his performance. That was his twisting the
oreo right, that was his twisting. And then there was
also a picture where he was like enraged talking and
there's a photograph with like you see the six women
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behind him and they're all just like looking at him,
like with the most just complete disgust. I thought that
was a great picture. But I agree, like just anything
where it's so transparently like do you look at this dummy,
it's like, yeah, that's probably not and then connecting back
to know his point of like doing it kind of
for like the cloud and the retweets that will accompany
(43:31):
saying that, I don't know, it's maybe I'm either old
or just too tired. You are old, I'm extremely elderly.
I don't know, I'm getting tired. No, I think this
is a very I think exhausting day on this every
level for many people in many different ways. And like
(43:52):
you said, we're in here feeling fucked up. We're like
I'm making jokes because I'm looking at somebody who looks
who's his is so apparent, and I'm we're just acting
at like this is okay. But this guy, every time
there was a question asked that like would have really
like a line of question would have taken us somewhere
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that may have gone somewhere significant, he side steps or
starts arguing with Senators and things like that, and you're like,
this is just how we're gonna let this rock. I
want to focus on his his performance, but first we're
gonna take a quick break and we're back and uh so, yeah,
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I mean, I think across the board people found Dr
Blasi Ford's testimony very credible. That's why Fox News looked
like they were mourning someone's death after her testimony, because
Fox and Friends flag was at half man. Yeah, exactly,
they were really worried. But but even to that absurdity, right,
(45:01):
the sadness wasn't over that this person may have been
sexually assaulted by this judicial It was that, Yeah, but
and then you're just and then then that's that other
layer where I'm trying to have a like being like, look,
we're not even engaging with this anyway. I'm sorry, But
I think the question is going to be him, or
at least the difference is going to be in how
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we interpret his because I think from the rights perspective,
he seemed to channel this white male anger that increasingly
is the only way that like white men can feel
alive anymore. I feel like like that's just culturally on
the right, that's like what what they need to, like
just get involved in a thing and on. From my perspective,
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it just seemed so transparently, weirdly, like a guilty guy
raising his voice because he wants you to stop calling
out that he's lying. And I mean, the main issue
that I wanted addressed is somebody pointed out that all
of these character testimonies from his first hearing, all you
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had to do is go back and say, Okay, have
you ever hung out with him when he was drunk?
Have you ever hung out with him when he was drunk?
And they did go to his drinking a few times,
but nobody ever was like, are you a bed drunk? Basically,
and he reflects it. He had this weird reflexive response
to any time is drinking got brought up where he
(46:29):
talked about drinking beer, and someone God bless the Internet
did a super cut of just all of his auto
tuned Yeah, unfortunately it's not, but we will work on it.
But just the way he the way he was using
the sort of idea of having a few beers with
like binge drinking and acting like an absolutely monster. It's
literally it's the same, it's along the same lines of
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as locker room talking. It's just like this is a
coded phrase for males big yeah beers and using alcohol
as a rational right. I mean literally locker room talk
in the sense that he was like I worked my
tail off multiple times. It's like, what do you my
fucking gym teacher? Like that that whole part really resonated
with me. And like I got great grades, had a job,
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played basketball in college, and I was a fucking monster,
Like I only wanted a party and try to drink up.
Like I was never assaulting anyone. But like the fact
that he thinks because he worked hard and got good
grades and played sports meant that he wasn't some kind
of shitty teenage boy. It's like all I wanted to
do was party, and I did all those things. Yeah,
but let's hear him talk about having a couple of
(47:37):
many beers. I drank beer with my friends sometimes I
had too many beers. I liked beer. I still like beer,
had beers, have some beers, one beer, drink beer, to
drink beer, drank beer and drinking beer. You've probably had
beer center each week. Ralph Club, biggest contributor. You know,
I got a weak stomach. Whether it's with beer. I
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like beer that I like beer. I don't know if
you do you like beer, Senator? Hanging out and having
some beers with friends, which I gladly do and which
I fully embrace. Yeah, And it was that like and
it was through that when people were talking about his
drinking too like you said that he would get testy.
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And when Amy Klobachar was asking him about, you know,
has he ever has ever lost his memory or like
had to you know, tack of time from drinking blacked out?
Basically he got he straight up chest passed the ball
right back to her, like anyway, listen, Yeah, him just
getting really really disrespectful to the senator. You're saying, there's
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never been a case where you drank so much that
you didn't remember what happened the night before. A part
of what happened. You're asking about blackout. I don't know,
have you what could you answer the question? Stuttered and
then said, I don't know you that's not happened? Is
that your answer? Yeah? And I'm curious if you And
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then he doubles the that and he's grasping his straws here.
It's just and especially because the center also referenced to
the fact that she had had a yeah, which is
like the most and thankfully she was able to speak
to that later. It'd be like, Hey, just so you know,
the children of alcoholics tend to be pretty fucking careful
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about how they treat beer and like having a beer.
They're very unimportant side note, it was anyone else surprised
to learn that the drinking age used to be eighteen?
That was an interesting moment. Yeah, now I knew that
because I went to the school in d C. And
the drinking age for like as recently as like the
late eighties was eighteen and just everybody could drink. So
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they were like there was lore of those days when
when freshman's could. It was interesting. I mean a lot
a lot of this has been kind of like bringing
back up kind of the insurrection of like fat culture
and how I mean it goes without saying that all
male prep schools of any grade level should be burned
to the ground along with the culture that comes with it.
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But it's interesting to hear that. I don't know, it's
it's weird like that specific uh section of of like
problematic male culture has kind of like fallen out of
discussion for a while and now it's it's back, Baby,
I haven't. I went on a fucking I fell in
a hole last night of uh, Tucker Tucker Max, is
(50:31):
that everyone remember I hope the beers beers. I in
my head, I'm like, that book has to be twenty
years old. It is not. It is ten years old.
That book came out in two thousand and six, was
the top book in the country for like over a year,
and I think today it could not even be published.
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It's just so like that, using that as a marker
of like how quickly things have you know, changed in
terms of political climate, that book would struggle so hard
to find a fucking publisher, to the point where Tucker Max,
this is just a fun fact that I think is insane.
Tucker Max now has to work as a ghostwriter, and
he ghost wrote Tiffany Hattish's memoir last year. He did,
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he did. But that is that is what's so fascinating
is you're talking about like, only in ten years did
a certain kind of book become unpublishable because it's socially unacceptable,
And yet thirty years between Anita Hill to today, the
same old process is happening and so it's like certain
things are improving at a rapid rate while other things,
and unfortunately the more important institutions are just staying the same. Yeah,
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we're doing the easy shift first. It's like it's easy
to not publish a book. It's easy to say you
don't do this kind of movie or whatever. It's harder
to then look and start holding people truly accountable in
like in more you know, I think substantial ways to Yeah,
because no, I mean just just like like not enough
people with money or influence give a fuck, right, I
(51:59):
mean just lingering things that we haven't touched on. There
was his raising the idea that it was a Clinton
based revenge conspiracy. That was what he opened with. That
was in his opening statement. Um, and it was just weird.
His opening statement was weird because of how angry it was.
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But then also he he would choke up and cry,
which like not not above it. I cry literally all
the time, but but he choked up at the weirdest times,
like he was. He started choking up when he was
talking about his calendar, which was like it was somehow
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connected to his dad. But then he started talking about workouts,
like workouts at his friend's house and he started crying
about that too. It was like workouts and calendars were
the things he got choked up talking about how he
bought a bunch of baseball tickets once he's my friends,
(53:03):
it was like, also, how is this whole calendar thing
not the most evident proof of this, dude is American
psycho had a few skis with the boys, right, what
was and what was his lifting? I will say what
was his one boy's nickname? Qui? Yeah, that was the
only part of his testimony. I like, because that's a
(53:25):
kind of cool nickname story. Oh I the fucking whole
virgin with a calendar narrative? Really maybe very tired again, Yeah,
I think even just his idea that he would entertain
this idea that it was a Clinton orchestrated hit job,
or like even raising the specter of George Soros, like
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with the GEO people, like who paid for the polygraph test? Uh,
clearly he's even two partisan to even be a judge
regardless of how this goes. So there are many things
that objectively would be like based on temperament or partisanship
or what You're gonna have a dude step onto the
Supreme Court with clenched fists looking at Democrats or people
on the left that you're not going to get anything
anything remotely close to an impartial judge. People an attitude
(54:09):
like that, which is probably a pro for a republic
of course. Yeah, they want to fucking attack dog on
that side. One thing I'll just say is like, as
we look around, how this vote could happen at this point,
you know, as we record this, we we just watched
the testimony and everything. Now, so when you hear this,
we had to it was late breaking, it was late
(54:29):
we had you know, we had to be on top
of this Thursday night. But um, you know, if you
know right now, they're still scheduled to have a vote
to get him out of committee at nine thirty h
d C. Time, and we'll see how that goes. I mean,
people were reporting that Jeff Flake just huddled up with
Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins and Joe Mansion, like right
off to the side in the Senate building, the most
(54:50):
on the bubble on the bubble people, and like, if
Jeff Flake moves tomorrow, that this thing could change very differently.
So I don't know that it's very clearly this It
was a very very big day. But we'll see what happens.
I'm you know, I'm hoping that. I just hope that
people do the right thing. Jesus. Yeah. And I'll be
interested to see how people who are watching TV, uh
(55:14):
respond to this, like what because he is already a
historically unpopular candidate for the Supreme Court, and I can't
imagine that he's going to be more popular after today. Hey,
the bright side is, uh, if they don't end up
putting him in the Supreme Court, I bet they'll find
someone really nice to put in instead, someone awesome with
(55:35):
progressive views will be Yeah, it'll be a constitution in
a wig or something like this. This person's fine should
actually just be Tucker Max Jamie quick thoughts on stake
m Skull because we probably can't cover it. Okay, here's
the thing, the stake of thing. Uh. You were the
one who brought it to my attention. You did a
great dramatic reading of it. I was like, oh, ship,
(55:57):
I'm connecting with this wow isolation in the digital aig
oh funk. Oh shit. And and then I had, you know,
I went to p and then I came back and
I'm like, you know what, if you read it in
a less compelling way, then you did. That's a fucking uh.
That's a fucking monologue from Mr Robot. That's a cut
scene from Fight Club. Dude. It's like in this, like
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you imagine Edward Norton mumbling the stakelm's account and it
loses its lesser entirely, where he's like, I can't believe
these kids that are isolated, they got mental illness. So
of course they started to connect with corporate accounts. They
turned to the thing that or that wants to kill
them and starts to connect with the conducted with each
other because of the computers. Anyway, I think we had
(56:41):
to get to that really quick. But I know, we
gotta wrap this like this. I mean, we gotta say
what happened, right, Yeah, well, I mean the STAKELMS account
Twitter account just went on this like nihilist rant about
been doing for a while. Yeah, and they finally one
one caught on with everybody. Yeah. That was about how
young people are vapid and our culture is dead and
(57:04):
everything sucks. It was very rust Cole from the first
season True Detective, you know who would never tweet nihilistic ship.
Is that Taco Bell being right? They have just fucking
hawk the product there? I thought I thought it was
an interesting thing, but ultimately that is great promotion for
shitty products. So just keep that in mind when you're
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I don't know, fucking your box of stake ms later?
Is there a dog food that sounds like stakes? Yeah?
Maybe that's all right? No Jamie, Thank you guys so
much for living through this exhausting day with us and
reacting to it with us. Noah, where can people find you?
Follow you at Noah G Comedy on Instagram and Twitter,
(57:50):
Noah g Comedy dot com website. A good choice of handles.
Is there a tweet that you've been enjoying? No Alright
after that, you can find me on Twitter and Instagram
at Miles of Gray and yeah tweets. You know it's
anything anything, anything steak, Just check the steaks thing. Young
(58:13):
people today have it the best in the worst. There's
so much to process and very few trusted anything. Shut up,
guy just got back from his first semester college. Also
v for Vendetta. That's the other thing. We can find
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very fam right, um, Jamie, where can people find you?
Follow you? You find me on Twitter at Jamie loss
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to Help, Instagram at Jamie christ Superstar. But honestly, today
just sucking. Take a walk and you know, text your
mom and okay. Yeah. One of my what a tweet
that I was enjoying today was from the great Megan Amram.
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Hello the Internet, and welcome to season fifty, episode five
of Dirt Daily's eight Guys for Friday, September two thousand eight.
Team my names Jack O'Brien aka Return of the Jack.
Come on, Return of the Jack O'Brien, Return of the Jack.
Here I am. You know that I'll be Jack. That
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is courtesy of Christie mcgoucci main and I'm thrilled to
be joined as always, buy my co host, Mr Miles
Gray in the gravy. Miles will sail the seventh seasoned
in the gravy. He'll put this gangit ease over this
bullshit that we just saw. D C in the grad
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just had all that other ship. But thank you to
add Devon Jay size for them on kind of on
the village people wave right now, Yeah, because I like
all the occupations that you represence. So yes, shout out
to you Devon Jay. Well, we are thrilled to be
joined by two amazing comedians. We got little dam in
the house. It's Jamie Loftus. What's up not? Everything's going great?
(01:04):
I think yes, the world is good. Women one we
did it just kidding. I've got someone gave me a
new AKA. Can I use it. Yeah, Lebron Jamie. It's
simple but effective, like King James, Queen Queen James, Queen James,
(01:25):
Queen James. Uh. And we're also thrilled to be joined
by Noah garden Chwarts. What's up? Man just came up
with my own ak. What you know about that? Oh?
What you know about that? What you know about I
know all about that? No, no who got to come?
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Oh Man, that's the song that I'm more familiar with. Uh. Well, great, Noah,
before we get to know you a little bit better,
You're gonna be doing our over under and Jamie is
third host to day. Uh. But we just wanted to
tell people what we're gonna be talking about. We're gonna
be talking about that bullshit we all just watched the
Kavanaugh hearing. Dr Blassie Ford's testimony. Uh, and then appropriately enough,
(02:14):
we'll be talking about the stake ums Twitter rant. But
that's about it. Those are probably the two biggest things
in this mostly the stakes Twitter natural transition. But yeah,
we're doing like an hour on the stake comes Twitter. Yeah,
I mean, like you just said, we already did the
bit about how everything solved now after the weird display,
So steaks is a frozen sandwich. Guys, I'm not sure
(02:36):
if you've heard about it. We'll get into that later. Yeah, myles,
we'll be giving the entire history of just can't can't.
I thought it was dog food. Myself texted me about that. No, uh,
dog food? But first, no, what is something from your
(02:58):
search history that is revealing bad who you are? The
two things I searched last night was the Pieta, which
I believe is a sculpture by Michaelangelo because I was
reading this book called My Name is astra Lev and
they kept referencing it and I had never heard of it.
And I also had to google the Rams defense because
I'm playing them in Fantasy football tonight. You want to
see about I keep to leave injury? And so I
(03:21):
went real highbrow low brow with my search history there.
What is the PA looks like somebody holding somebody? Yeah,
I believe they're holding Jesus, Mary holding Jesus. Yeah, Mary
holding Jesus, buddy, which would explain why I didn't know
a lot about it. Yeah, yeah, man, what's wrong with you?
You're such a bad You're not a fan of my
man j C. Come on, bro uh putting words of
(03:42):
my mouth here. You know who else is it? You? Jesus?
Was that in a meet the parents like you're a
good company? Yeah you know? Uh wow uh, And we'll
be saying wow for the rest of this episode. What
is something you think is overrated? No? Overrated? Outdoor weddings.
(04:03):
Put it out there. I recently got engaged and there
was a lot of discussion, and I that was, like,
the one thing I put my foot down is I
am in no way having to worry about rain or
bad weather or it being too hot in me and
all my groom's been sweating. Like, there's so little you
can control on that day. Let me control the elements
right right. Outdoor weddings. Do you know what part of
(04:25):
the country might be getting married in? I know exactly Denver, Colorado,
And so my fiance wanted like a mountain view and
I was like nope, Like yeah, yeah, the compromises at
the party. I think we're gonna have a photo booth
with the red rocks green screen. Dave Matthews is playing
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the weddings. Hell. I don't think I've ever been at
an outdoor wedding where I didn't sweat through at least
my shirt just because there always Yeah, it's just never.
And the one outdoor wedding I've been to in Colorado,
I swept through my whole suit. It was sore embodies.
And also it's like, I get it, beaches, mountains, it
(05:13):
can all look beau, but people act like they've never
seen a beach or never seen the mountain. Right. You
see it for a minute and then it's over. Yeah,
it's funny everyone outdoor wedding. One of the last ones
I went to very hot one before that fucking rained,
and like was like I had to give up my
jacket to like so someone else didn't have to get
all their hair and ship messed up and so I
ended up with like a silk dress shirt and jacket.
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And I was like, and in the history of outdoor weddings,
is there ever been anyone that was like that was
a perfect day. I have been to one it was amazing,
but it was in Guatemala, so maybe it's just America.
I went to one that was almost perfect, except it
was too hot during the thing. And also you have
to worry about the your grooms men's taste in sunglasses
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because that into factor and like those are never good
like you need somebody like Jamie who has like dope
minimal hacker I wear, yeah, minimalist sunglasses. Say all that
to say team indoors. When you say that, it makes
you think you had a groomsman who had like those
Oakley over the top sunglasses that went like literally hugged
(06:16):
everybody has. Yeah, the sunglass of the woman that called
the cops on the Oakland Barba. Yeah, the wrap around type.
And then one dude has the flip upshades when the
bread's coming down? Whoa its commercial? Duane Waynes, Daye Waynes.
What is something you think is underrated? Underrated? Taco Bell?
(06:38):
Being Burritos had one on the way over here, the
being Burrito though. Yeah, that Taco Bell gets a lot
of love on this show, but I don't think enough
people have talked about the being burrito. That's why it's underrated.
It's a vegetarian option, isn't it. Yeah, it is a
vegetarian option. It's inexpensive but filling. It's not like you
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never feel gross after eating this because when you start
eating that quote unquote meat, right, that's when it gets
so when your stomach gets defeat. Did you say, are
you vegetarian. You just did to avoid the worm meat.
No I am. I am recently vegetarian, but but I
like I grew up in a kosher home, so I
was allowed to meet anyway. So I just grew up
on the being burritos, and I've always loved them. It's
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like a security blanket for me. Yeah, you said you're
recently vegetarian or reasonably vegetar. Recently, in the last six months,
I went vegetarian. How you doing, man? Good doing fine?
I found your fast food. I'm still awake and strong
enough to make it like you left the How you been?
Is it all right? Is it cool out there? It's fine,
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that's not scary, like the preacher says. So yeah, at
my wedding, it's gonna be indoor. We're serving being burritos.
I'll bring my own, you know what I mean. And finally,
what is a myth? What's something people think is true
that you know to be false, what I know to
be false. People think it's true is that Ikea will
break up couples or that Ikea is the instant couple fighter.
(08:02):
I actually think I actually think Ikea brings couples together.
I think it's an awesome place to go with your
significant Damn, that's such an optimist squid looking at it. Yeah, well,
you know, I feel I feel like you should have
a shared vision of the space you're trying to create,
and on top of that, go get a delicious meal
at the cafeteria afterwards. Has such a beautiful may there.
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I think there is like a spectrum of ways to
react to going It is a test test, but you
can but it's a passable test. Yeah, but it's up
to you how you respond, because you can get upset
and be like, well, then that's it, we hate each other.
Or you can be like, well, let's look at while
we're mad and let's try and figure this out. Well,
I'm saying, I don't even understand where you're in. The
fighting comes from. We were having there's just so many
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options to go and so is my partner her majesty,
and we have competing visions for the future. So when
we have to go there, it's like a reckoning where
we have to reconcile, like our very divergent views of
like furniture and things like that. So and but like
I said, it's a test where we then learned a compromise,
but I can't say that it's like we walk in
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there in this rainbow city. Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I'm generally indifferent towards most things. I'm not gonna fight
tooth and nail over a couch as long as it's
comfortable to sit on, and I'll let her pick the colors,
right right. The last time I went to Ikea with
with someone, we were it was getting contentious that we
will passed the TV where the Aristocats was playing, and
we're like, oh, this is perfect, watched twenty minutes of
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the Aristocats and we're back to one. We'll start again,
right right, But yeah, did you go there for anything?
But like we went there for curtains, you know, we
were looking for like a bed frame. There was another
competing visions issue. See it's luckily there though too Like there,
it's either like you have when you know your budget,
it's easy to make a decision because there's only probably
three things in your budget and there's just a lot
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of reasonable options, right. But it does. It tends to
happen in a relationship when things are going up a notch.
And I think the reason it has its repute patient
is because some some relationships aren't ready to go up
that notch. This would be a great branded podcast with Ikea.
They give us one thousand dollars and find a couple.
(10:09):
We let them to a shopping spree, but we record
everything and then no one can do like a postmortem
with them, like how'd that go? Like how you feeling
about this? I felt good about that. I feel like
the few times I've done this podcast that if I
tried to bust you guys are kind of on board
with So this is the first one where I felt
like I actually no, yes, like you guys felt like
I KEA was a fight starter. Yeah no, But then
you made me look at my horse ship and be like,
(10:30):
am I just being cynical? And I up the problem
is and I'm tearing up the divorce papers in my bag.
After the thank you, we've all learned something. The night
stands not worth it. Alright, guys, let's talk about the
ship show. We just watched Kavanaugh D day as we
(10:51):
have it labeled on our document for the day. Uh so, yeah,
I don't know first impressions. What are you as the thoughts? Well,
I guess for people, let's just give you a recap
if somehow you've been living on our fucking rocks. So
today was a day that Brett Kavanaugh and Christine Blassie
Ford were both going to give testimony to the Senate
Judiciary Committee where they would talk about her allegations or not.
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And you know, like we talked about yesterday's episode, the
GOP so bravely chose a woman prosecutor to cross examine
Dr Ford so they would avoid really having any clips
of them that are usable in an attack. Ad really
is what that was, because there are no optics of
them being like, what did you think, Chuck Grassley, I'm
(11:35):
sorry off top yo, my man, we have to have
term limits. Like this guy is a like even Pat
there's a lot of older people in the Senate where
you're like husks, yeah, man, husks that are just withering
in the wind, and you're like, just like we have
moved on and you've stayed fixed, like cartoon versions of
old men. Yeah, like the exaggerated cartoons I could have.
(11:57):
Chuck Grassie came off like a dude arguing whether or
not he's allowed to take his leftovers from All you
can Eat buffet. We was like, I, well, I paid for.
This is your Salisbury steaks, so I should be able
to take it home and just bread. Like it was
every now and then he would interject with it, and
he could not, despite the fact that they had it
set up so that he would not, you know, interact
in any negative way with women, he could not stop
(12:20):
interrupting women. It was just NonStop because a lot of
I mean not that it is just like not a
shock and if anyone is shocked at people interrupting women
in uh any space at any point, at this point,
it's like fucking grow up. There's no more if I
and I was thinking about this today of like, uh,
(12:43):
very rarely, like people are not really expressing that much
surprise at this happening. Now. Now it's just happening, and
you make of it what you do. Something that bothered
me about the coverage of this story, uh that we
were we were all watching it the CNN Live and
(13:03):
uh again it's like the twenty four news. Our cycle
is treated like fucking ESPN a lot of the time.
But that felt like especially on display today where there
was one point towards the end of the hearing where
they like took a five minute break and they cut
to like a fucking ESPN table full of commentators who
were all taught, Like you could have literally switched out
(13:25):
Kavanaugh and Ford or even like men and women with
any two sports teams, and it was indistinguishable. And it
was just just it's it's so weird and conflicting where
it's like, it's this incredibly important moment, but it's also
being treated and at some point played for by people
I fundamentally agree with as entertainment. And you know, like
(13:49):
the even in you know, the big theatrical court, you know,
people save their headliners for last, and you know, you
see Ted Cruz comes out at the very end, and
and Booker comes out at the very end, and just
the whole fucking production of it. And and that was
something about Christine Plasi Ford's um testimony that I found
(14:09):
very compelling is that, I mean, aside from all the brave,
horrendous ship she has to relive again for this fucking
national stage, just acknowledging that like, yeah, no one wants
to do this, and to an extent, she's being asked
to perform for better or worse for everybody, and and
(14:30):
drudge up all this fucking trauma for everybody that she
says at the beginning, like I don't want to do this.
I don't want to be here and for and and
and like you know, she she doesn't want to perform
for people because to some extent, every person in that
fucking room is performing something. And some of them are
(14:51):
performing something I agree with some of them are, but
all of them are performing. Lindsey Graham got his performance. Um,
she was incredibly compelling and very very human. It was
like an island of humanity in the middle of all
this grandstanding and you know, Dannatt, Dannatt, all right, it's
(15:13):
time for the main event. Like everybody was just really
treating it like you know, and then they would get
the uh, you know, faux solemnity and be like this
is very serious issue, but like it was definitely treated
like the fucking Super Bowl is well yeah yeah, yeah.
And even like the brevity like pundits offer, like saidden
that they have a moment to laugh, it's still kind
of shitty when you were really looking at what this
(15:34):
situation is. And I feel like even I remember as
I watch it and like trying to sort of to
deflect my own discomfort and like embarrassment as a man
in a society where this is how women are treated,
we're just sort of being like, yeah, like this is
fucking shitty. I feel like watching it, I just like
this seems like the worst way to actually mediate something
(15:55):
like this. But again, it was clearly like this part
is in dog fight thing wherever one had their combatant
in there and whatever, the collateral damage to these people
didn't matter because they like they're playing another game two
outside of this, which is for the Republicans when the
culture war stacked the Supreme Court and the Democrats is
just like, let's just try and block as much as
(16:16):
the ship we can. And like, I guess these these
two people happened to be the conduits for that to
all go down in. But yeah, it was. It was.
It was one of those things too, like even as
you talk about the commentary, people would go into like
her performance performance his performance. Yeah, And and there was
there was like one SoundBite that was like, well, as
(16:38):
we know historically, the women always lose, and I'm like,
you could just put in a fucking football team name there,
what are you Someone in CNN said that the women,
the women like the rams are the bears, Like it's
just fucking ridiculous the way these stories are covered. I mean,
that's not the huge point here, but it was something
(16:59):
that uh stuck out to me, especially on viewing this today,
and even like you know, like us and and the
whole world gathered around it like it's a sports game.
It's it's to a degree, it's like you it's so
important and we all need to be watching, but it's
also disturbing the way that we all consume it and
the and the I don't know, yeah, well it's like
(17:21):
a cultural super Bowl Sunday where everyone's like new people
were like taking time out of the day to watch
it because it's a very important moment. What Dr Ford
did is very important, and but you think to like
it also, we were reading stories about people who uh
Nick was telling us about, like you know, women who
were watching and brought to tears hearing her testimony, but
(17:43):
they were Trump supporters and after they kind of wipe
their tears and when were like, yeah, but you know what,
I still don't think I think having not still be
confirmed like it was, people were still compartmentalizing what was
going on to service this like culture war, this zero
sum game where they either the Democrats win or the
Republicans win, and that's it. That's all. They're only looking
attitude that prison. That's a lot of the unfortunate part
(18:03):
about it is no matter what happened today, people's minds
were made up going into it, And unfortunately, I think
we've all grown so cynical to know that, like it's
probably not going to change anything. Yeah uh but but
I think if we were all too place bets right now,
I would assume his information is going to go through. Unfortunately.
I wrote last night just as I was like thinking
(18:25):
about what was coming up, and also we were coming
off of that Trump press conference where he just like
did trump jazz like but like really unhinged and didn't
really seem to be coherent for two hours. I was
like thinking about how people responded, and you clearly saw
like everybody who I know was like, what the funk?
This guy is clearly unhinged and a lunatic. But the
(18:48):
the other side was like, this is why we elected him,
And I do I really do think that we're at
this point now where it's it's not just that like
people are. I think we tend to think that the
other side sees what we see and they're just like
wilfully ignoring it or like bluffing and just pretending like
(19:10):
something else happened. But I honestly think they legit like
see something different. Their brain is absorbing different information. Well.
It is a double edged sort though, because like a
lot of the a lot of the post conference commentary
was talking about how if their performances, for lack of
a better word, were flipped and he was really composed
(19:31):
and polite and she would have come out belligerent and
argument of and combative, people would have been talking about
how horrible it was that she was that way, while
a lot of people are also saying the Republicans were
relieved that the fact that he came out guns blazing
and took a really strong stance. And so it's like
exactly what they're saying they liked about the way he
approaches exactly what she would have been blamed for had
she had taken on that kind of time. Oh yeah,
(19:51):
it's like Brett Kavanaugh is like too emotional to be
a hysterical man. And that's the other takeaway is I
think he's guilty, But regardless of whether he's found guilty
or innocent of this I think the lack of composure
he showed at this press conference is an entirely different,
less important discussion on why he might not be fit
(20:12):
for the Supreme Court. And also there I forget which
Democratic senator brought this up, but there there was. It
might have been I don't want to get wrong, but
there was one person who brought it to his attention,
you know, with that like, you know, applying it to
his own job of like if you were looking at
this situation objectively and you think what's happening is okay,
(20:35):
you're a bad judge, Like you want the best evidence, right, Yeah,
I think it was, Yes, it was, And it was
like that was one of the more cogent points I
thought made in this entire thing to him at least
if like, you know, you can deny, deny, deny all
you want, but like you're not even doing good at
the job you're supposed to be elected to at that moment.
(20:56):
And when Durbin was calling him out about like basically
saying just opening self up to the FBI investigation, you're
saying you're willing to clear your good name right and
take any necessary measures to do that. Will you let
on the FBI investigation. That's when he was like as
clumsily stumbling over his words and evading questions. Yeah, more
at that point than any other point. Ye, it seems
like the two like each each the Democrats and Republicans
(21:18):
had their their strategy, and for the Republicans it was
just hammer this point in that Diane Feinstein sat on
this allegation to the zero hour and then suddenly sprung
it on us. Yeah at the at the at the
zero hour, that's not fair, Like, what's that about? It
doesn't that's irrelevant. And like they started this started the
day out like giving her timeline from her perspective exactly
(21:42):
forwards perspective, and it was you know, she didn't want
to come forward. She know it was gonna ruin her life,
but she eventually did because you know, she felt like
it was her civic duty. But they kept going back
to that idea that here, we're going to take a
quick break, we're gonna continue talking about this right when
we get back. And we're back. And so something we
(22:14):
talked about heading into on yesterday's episode was, uh, that
TV is a very volatile, you know medium that can
go in a lot of different ways. That aren't necessarily
representative of what's happening in the room. Like the people
always say that Nixon verse JFK debate where supposedly Nixon one,
(22:34):
but because he looked like shit, he was ugly and sweaty,
people are just like, yeah, funk that guy. And Howard
Dean's like scream where like in the room nobody nobody
heard it, but because he was like miked up, it
sounded louder than it was. But anyways, I would just
(22:57):
say upfront that she was amazingly compelling, like as a
as a witness, you know, and just yeah, like we said,
came across as human. And he you know, this was
his third try at it. And I do think that
if he had had the same you know, energy that
(23:18):
he had had during his hearing, where it was like
clear he was like evading and you know, sidestepping that
it probably wouldn't have gone well for him because they
needed something like if he looked at Fox News after
her testimony, it was literally like looking at the home
teams like Network when they're getting the ship kicked out
(23:38):
of them at halftime. They were just like they were
just like that was not good. That was not good
for Republicans. She was incredibly believable. And then you know,
they needed some change shift in energy. They couldn't just
have him come out and say denied, denied, deny. They
needed like something and he yeah, he came out with this.
(24:01):
It was really weird. It was definitely something. It was
angry and cry it's bad. Well yeah, off top, he's screaming.
So if you just juxtaposed to their demeanor as they go,
I am having trouble controlling the volume of but yeah,
you could just tell that one person was clearly speaking
from a sincere place, from their own personal experience, and
(24:22):
another person was very defensive and evasive and just could
not you know, like we were saying, if this, if
he's truly innocent, and you were about to be a
Supreme Court justice, I would imagine the demeanor of that
person say, I can't believe I'm here, this is unsubstantiated.
I would have I would like I would love to
have an investigation done to clear my name. Not I
(24:43):
like beer and if feminist texted me, therefore I'm innocent.
Like it was all this, like he just went down
this list of really lame arguments like the the new
like I had a friend who was sexually assaulted, therefore,
how could I be some kind of He also really
made sure to hit on what dude's names, drug history
and talking about yeah, basically discredit that they would get
(25:06):
him to speak. He fucking came in like ally weak,
ask ally attempts blazing. I was personally offended. He was
wearing a pectel cast T shirt. The entire the entire
was like that, no one's going to fall for that ship,
like the pushy gray. It was ridiculous, but they're typical
(25:26):
pandering the whole like tenor of that just sounded like
the you know, the dying like breaths of someone who's
drowning and someone who feels like the the rules have
changed in the middle of the game for them, That's
what we were saying. Yeah, Like every time the Republican
to speak to him, it was like two toxic bros
(25:47):
being like, Yo, I'm so sorry about this man, like like, well,
it started out with and then they were just immediately like, yo,
she's not right because her line of questions sort of
almost affirmed that there may have been an assault. And
then well and and when we're talking Rachel Mitchell, Yeah,
(26:08):
when she said to Christine Blossiford at the end, you know, like,
do you know this that what we're doing is not
the best way to address this problem? And it's like, yeah,
I think we are all on some level, no, but
we're all watching it, so like it was funny to see.
I don't know, I almost took that as her acknowledging,
like almost taking a shot at Republicans, like, yeah, they're
(26:29):
also now. I think she probably felt like, damn, this
is even crazy for me because I'm usually prosecuting offenders
and now you're having me cross examine a victim. I
don't know how the funk she I mean, I don't
know much about the history of how she got involved
in this trial, but what a strange thing to watch
because by the end it's like she's she's certainly not
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helping the team. She's there to help, but she's not.
I mean, she's not helping anyone. She's just sort of
like wandering around this discussion. So they wanted to portray
this whole thing as a court case so that they
could say, well, you haven't proved beyond kept on reiterating
you are not on trial. You are not on trial.
He but her rhythm was that of an actual court
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case where you have all day to you know, cross
examine and examine the witness. And it was just too slow,
I think. And it's more fucking theater that is not
necessary and and the it is. It was funny hearing
the like this is you're not on trial and repeated
to Kavanaugh especially of like you know, this isn't a trial,
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but you know, like it is. The onus is on
her to prove that she was raped, which is just that,
which is I mean not for everyone, but it's pretty
common knowledge of That is why it is so hard
to get rapists prosecuted, because it is so hard to
have physical evidence, because it's a fucking epidemic. Uh. And
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you know, thirty six years after the fact is not
at all unusual. There was no something that I was
was really bothering me today was and and and you
know it's to to us and probably all of our listeners,
this is very clear. But it wasn't until the past
like three or four years, there was even language to
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describe it and people who even sort of wanted to listen.
So thirty six years ago, anyone expressing like oh, well,
why is she just bringing it up now, it's like, dude,
First of all, there's evidence that it's not the first
time she's bringing it up. But also there were no
systems in place that were effective and there still really
aren't for this even happen to like be taking care
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of in any which way where it's like, I, I
have an experience like this that happened five years ago,
and even then when I was going to my school
and going to the city of the police of the
city I was living in at the time. This was
in two thousand fourteen, and there was still no clear
way and I had not received any education on uh,
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if this happens, this is what you do. So this
is so new of the fact that you would even
report this in a in a public way and expect
a result of some sort and and so the fact
that I don't know it's I've talked about it with
my mom a lot. I'd be interested in because Christine
Bozzy forwards my mom's age and my mom, I mean,
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my mom had an experience like this when she was
eighteen that you just started talking about like a month ago,
because you know, in the late seventies, people did not
talk about this ship just didn't happen, and the way
this went down started to jump in. I think the
way this went down is just an example of how
we've still not sorted out how to address these issues,
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because even in this case where there's there there, in
the past, there's been protocol like maybe we investigate yeah
that much, but now we're jumping to conclusions without all
the evidence. And again we're in a situation where we're
just leaving it is like, well, we kind of know
what we know and then let's just do it's a
push or whatever it is. I do first of all,
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I'm sorry you went through that, Jamie, And I do
wonder because this was such a like triggering just the
testimony and then having you know, the her attacker. They're
just like being so angry and shouting like I do
(30:26):
want to they say that Anita Hill triggered like the
year of the woman in the in Congress. With a
lot of women running for office, I do wonder how
much this will have some sort of impact like down
the road, especially if he gets confirmed tomorrow morning or
if they vote him. Uh, preg me if I'm wrong,
But there's already a record number of women running for Yeah, no,
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but I think it could. I think still not going
to be, though, I mean, I do wonder if there
will be like a big hope. You think that the
GOP's brand is so beyond repair at this point with
any rational person, right, anyone who may have been you
would have thought that for the last three exactly and
well and I and I get amazed every time, and
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that could be me just being a little too idealistic.
But yeah, I again, I think what we saw there
people who clearly are gonna believe what they need to
believe in the name of self preservation, and other people
were just in a constant state of disgust through the whole,
not necessarily even in just like a from a political standpoint,
but like what you're talking about the fact that there
aren't the laws in place, that we don't have the
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institutions in place to address this sort of thing, really
that not sufficiently at this point, like that women will
become more involved in the law, and the fact that
an assault case of of sorts is still being treated
on this circus like level to be is just like
more proof positive that people don't know how to handle
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these situations, because there's no world in which a nationally televised,
and the fact that people are, you know, of comparing
it to the I Need Hill case, which is very
I mean, the parallels are very clear. But it's like, okay,
so we're going to deal with this in the exact
same way thirty years later. Why why have there been
why have the systems in place not improved or changed
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at all? They're like the way things happened today. I mean,
even the fucking Republican prosecutors said, this is not how
justice or truth is. You know, this it's just not
and it's not fair to the victim at all. Where um,
you know, Christine Blazzie Ford was saying, you know, it's
it's such a difficult decision and uh, victims ideally should
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have agency over how they come forward. And and she
was not afforded that it was a time crunch and
it she had to agonize over the decision. And you know,
even in the movements of the like last week with
the why I Didn't report hashtag, were so many women,
um and victims in general were coming forward their stories.
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Those are such powerful movements that I think open a
lot of eyes and and does net good for the culture.
He goes, uh, but also I do think that the
culture and culture to culture do on the fourth weg
But but but in all seriousness, even those hashtags that
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are so powerful are still putting the responsibility on the victims,
and it puts the responsibility on us to say, you know,
prove that this is something that's been happening by revisiting
memories that are very painful that in all likelihood if
they were reported, we're not handled correct, And that way,
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I think we've regressed. You know this farm we still
do the same. I think there's a lot of value
to social activism on social media, like the hashtags. I
think they're affective for a lot of people. But at
the same time, there is an echo chamber effect where
all it's doing is the people who are pre shape
those hashtags are just reading them and either being triggered
or angered by the prevalence of how often you see
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it or how frequent they are, and the people who
could actually learn from them or are in denial about
those stories aren't actually paying attention to the hashtag that
becomes popular, I mean, and I guess that that turns
sort of into a discussion of like, who are these
hashtag movements? For necessarily as like, I don't know when
I when I tweeted out on on like a believe
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victims or so I believe survivors, or why I didn't
report or something like that. You know, I'm not necessarily
hoping that that gets to someone who's disagrees with me
or doesn't believe me. It's more of like a community
building thing and supporting each other. And you know, hopefully
if someone who was maybe on the fence about something
like that but knows me and trust me, that can
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be a push forward for some guys that want to
high school with that. I need you to talk to
for me, just to kind of bring them over, make
them more progressive. That's the thing that I worry that
I wonder about too, Like you say, no, like there
are people who need to actually confront these these kinds
of societal problems we have. But there's clearly a version
of America where you can operate in this bygone era
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where you don't have there is no reckoning still and
I like this was a moment you think obviously that
it shows how far how little we've actually moved forward
that they could have said I'm sorry, Like as a
like this just on a human level is bullshit or whatever,
But clearly again there are they're competing versions. And even
like we said when they were so apologetic to Brett
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Kavanaugh and things like who's your empathy for? Yeah, you know,
and that whole idea, Yeah, I can't believe they're changing.
They're calling fouls now all of a sudden, there's a
great New York Times opinion piece about how America has
a hympathy issue where we only feel sympathy for powerful
men and like if a president gets like assassinated or
(35:59):
brought down by scam, then we really empathize with them.
But because that's like we're a misogynist culture that you know,
when you look at the movies, the people we put
in the main character who we're supposed to identify with
or tend to be men right sucking don drapers and ship.
There I one more thing to say about how these
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how the pressure is on victims to to come forward
and say shit is I mean, the the idea. I
was talking about this with a friend of mine the
other day where we were sort of revisiting you know,
it's almost been a year since Semi Too movement and
so much has moved forward and so much has absolutely not.
And we were just talking about like how having to
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do this over and over and over because like it
is like, okay, so we just have to fucking dust
off are like rape trauma every fall and like compose
another fucking thing every fall to remind people Like but
that is how this movement is work. And and every
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victim has a you know, it's every every situation is
so unique. And I think for me, especially towards the
beginning of working through that trauma, social media was helpful
and it felt like one of the only places where
I could speak for myself and not feel like, you know,
things were muddled and horrible. But you know, it's I
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feel like in in the couple of years since I've
started talking, I've been you know, talking about it for
three years or so, but even in that time, the expectation,
I feel like there's almost an expectation that you have
to talk about it now, not like this is an
option that's available to you where you sort of have
autonomy over what you say. UM so uh fun that well,
(37:50):
that that was something I that was something I struggled
with during um that everything that happened today is I
was on Twitter, you know, as a comedian, my feet
is just full of comedians and so many Like I
understand trying to bring levity to a difficult situation. That's
at the heart of what we do, that's so important,
But at the same time, there's so many people they
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were clearly taking today as an opportunity to just try
to craft the perfect joke without offending, but still really
kind of making a joking. At the end of the day,
it was like very clear that their objective today was
not to understand or not to listen or to form
an opinion, but just to make sure that they got
three thousand retweets and like that. That entire culture within
the comedy community is so gross to me. And so
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it's also like, I know there's a lot of people
looking at certain people's social media feeds like how are
they not saying anything? Why wouldn't And it's like I
left this entire thing alone because I didn't want to
take part in that circus of like making sure that
you're crafting the perfect job, even if you're shipping on Kavanaugh.
You know, it's like just watch it and in formulate
(38:54):
a thought. Guilty of that, I think part of it too,
at least for me personally, was I of, you know,
there is such a level of frustration that I have
looking at this and many other aspects of what's going
on with the government, that that was a definitely a
way for like to awkwardly deal with my discomfort in
a way that is a way that I've expressed that
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just historically as a person. But yeah, I totally agree
like part of it too. I'm just like, as as
I was saying to Jamie, two is like there's still this,
yeah that we there's a spectacle version where I'm and
that's sort of how I've been inundated with media too
that you know, there's I can see it for what
it is, and then there's a layer I can step
(39:35):
back from and I go and this is a thing
to comment on two And it's not I guess, just
for my own comfort, can selectively engage with certain elements
of that. Like one is to actually talk about the
merits of what is actually happening. The other is a
spectacle of it, because on part of it is seeing
how shamelessly people on the right, sometimes on the left,
or like using this for just fodder or talking points
(39:57):
and then sometimes it's a commentary on that. Other times
it's trying to call you on the bullshit. But yeah,
I totally agree. I mean I think there is this, Yeah,
I was, I was having to reconcile the urge to
like say something or call something out, but in a
way that I don't have to live with how shitty
and dark the actual situation is. Yeah, I think that
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that's like a great point in general. Not I tried,
I mean, like you were sayings, I have engaged in
upsetting public events like this a bunch of times, and
it's like so fucked up to be like, how would
who I am on the internet interact with this? But
I think that that is something that a lot of
people are subconsciously thinking, kind of like what you were saying.
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And I don't know. I mean, I tried to log
the funk out mostly today, but I still, you know,
fired off a Twitter or two and it is like,
I don't know, and I'm not trying to pass judgment
people know. But well, the other thing is like what
happened today would be well within the realm of things
that you regularly comment on. So it's like if I
(41:00):
was going to your Twitter feed. I would expect you
to be speaking about it, whether it was through jokes
or not. But it's it's when people who obviously had
zero interest in this before today suddenly hop on the
bandback and I'm like, all right, there's a lot of
eyes on Twitter, and this is an opportunity for me
to ship seen. You know. It's like, if this is
what you actively engage in consistently, then that's part of
your brand. For lack of a better word than by
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all means, that's what you should be talking about. But
but if it's just like every single big social event
becomes an opportunity for you to craft the perfect joke
without paying attention to what's actually happening, that's when it
gets annoying. Yeah. No, I mean I'm I I feel
just like personally that I'm not above scrutiny even when
it's an issue that I care about. And I don't know,
(41:41):
even firing off a Twitter two today, I was like,
did you like, did you need to Uh, I don't
know something that I wanted everyone's opinion on. I guess
because I don't know where I've fallen. It was. I
was still like I opened my Twitter feed a couple
of times, even though I didn't engage that much. Uh,
there is a lot of the fucking like memes of
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Kavanaugh looking ugly and then adding ship like that that's
so normalized now, of like this is just what we do.
And I don't know, I think maybe it's a personal
preference but I'm sucking over it or whether I agree
with them or not seeing an unflattering picture of someone
and that I just I don't know. So there were
a couple of examples things to attack him over. There
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are a couple of examples of that where um, there
were a couple of pictures or like memes where he
was frozen in the midst of this like nose wrinkle
thing that he was doing over and over again. That
seemed to me like a tell like that he was
almost like had a facial twitch whenever he was lying
or like fighting something back, Yeah, fighting something back. And um,
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so I was okay with like getting a freeze frame
of like that because it did seem to I don't know,
capture something about his performance. That was his twisting the
oreo right, that was his twisting. And then there was
also a picture where he was like enraged talking and
there's a photograph with like you see the six women
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behind him and they're all just like looking at him,
like with the most just complete disgust. I thought that
was a great picture. But I agree, like just anything
where it's so transparently like do you look at this dummy,
it's like, yeah, that's probably not and then connecting back
to know his point of like doing it kind of
for like the cloud and the retweets that will accompany
(43:31):
saying that, I don't know, it's maybe I'm either old
or just too tired. You are old, I'm extremely elderly.
I don't know, I'm getting tired. No, I think this
is a very I think exhausting day on this every
level for many people in many different ways. And like
(43:52):
you said, we're in here feeling fucked up. We're like
I'm making jokes because I'm looking at somebody who looks
who's his is so apparent, and I'm we're just acting
at like this is okay. But this guy, every time
there was a question asked that like would have really
like a line of question would have taken us somewhere
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that may have gone somewhere significant, he side steps or
starts arguing with Senators and things like that, and you're like,
this is just how we're gonna let this rock. I
want to focus on his his performance, but first we're
gonna take a quick break and we're back and uh so, yeah,
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I mean, I think across the board people found Dr
Blasi Ford's testimony very credible. That's why Fox News looked
like they were mourning someone's death after her testimony, because
Fox and Friends flag was at half man. Yeah, exactly,
they were really worried. But but even to that absurdity, right,
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the sadness wasn't over that this person may have been
sexually assaulted by this judicial It was that, Yeah, but
and then you're just and then then that's that other
layer where I'm trying to have a like being like, look,
we're not even engaging with this anyway. I'm sorry, But
I think the question is going to be him, or
at least the difference is going to be in how
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we interpret his because I think from the rights perspective,
he seemed to channel this white male anger that increasingly
is the only way that like white men can feel
alive anymore. I feel like like that's just culturally on
the right, that's like what what they need to, like
just get involved in a thing and on. From my perspective,
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it just seemed so transparently, weirdly, like a guilty guy
raising his voice because he wants you to stop calling
out that he's lying. And I mean, the main issue
that I wanted addressed is somebody pointed out that all
of these character testimonies from his first hearing, all you
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had to do is go back and say, Okay, have
you ever hung out with him when he was drunk?
Have you ever hung out with him when he was drunk?
And they did go to his drinking a few times,
but nobody ever was like, are you a bed drunk? Basically,
and he reflects it. He had this weird reflexive response
to any time is drinking got brought up where he
(46:29):
talked about drinking beer, and someone God bless the Internet
did a super cut of just all of his auto
tuned Yeah, unfortunately it's not, but we will work on it.
But just the way he the way he was using
the sort of idea of having a few beers with
like binge drinking and acting like an absolutely monster. It's
literally it's the same, it's along the same lines of
(46:51):
as locker room talking. It's just like this is a
coded phrase for males big yeah beers and using alcohol
as a rational right. I mean literally locker room talk
in the sense that he was like I worked my
tail off multiple times. It's like, what do you my
fucking gym teacher? Like that that whole part really resonated
with me. And like I got great grades, had a job,
(47:14):
played basketball in college, and I was a fucking monster,
Like I only wanted a party and try to drink up.
Like I was never assaulting anyone. But like the fact
that he thinks because he worked hard and got good
grades and played sports meant that he wasn't some kind
of shitty teenage boy. It's like all I wanted to
do was party, and I did all those things. Yeah,
but let's hear him talk about having a couple of
(47:37):
many beers. I drank beer with my friends sometimes I
had too many beers. I liked beer. I still like beer,
had beers, have some beers, one beer, drink beer, to
drink beer, drank beer and drinking beer. You've probably had
beer center each week. Ralph Club, biggest contributor. You know,
I got a weak stomach. Whether it's with beer. I
(47:57):
like beer that I like beer. I don't know if
you do you like beer, Senator? Hanging out and having
some beers with friends, which I gladly do and which
I fully embrace. Yeah, And it was that like and
it was through that when people were talking about his
drinking too like you said that he would get testy.
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And when Amy Klobachar was asking him about, you know,
has he ever has ever lost his memory or like
had to you know, tack of time from drinking blacked out?
Basically he got he straight up chest passed the ball
right back to her, like anyway, listen, Yeah, him just
getting really really disrespectful to the senator. You're saying, there's
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never been a case where you drank so much that
you didn't remember what happened the night before. A part
of what happened. You're asking about blackout. I don't know,
have you what could you answer the question? Stuttered and
then said, I don't know you that's not happened? Is
that your answer? Yeah? And I'm curious if you And
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then he doubles the that and he's grasping his straws here.
It's just and especially because the center also referenced to
the fact that she had had a yeah, which is
like the most and thankfully she was able to speak
to that later. It'd be like, Hey, just so you know,
the children of alcoholics tend to be pretty fucking careful
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about how they treat beer and like having a beer.
They're very unimportant side note, it was anyone else surprised
to learn that the drinking age used to be eighteen?
That was an interesting moment. Yeah, now I knew that
because I went to the school in d C. And
the drinking age for like as recently as like the
late eighties was eighteen and just everybody could drink. So
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they were like there was lore of those days when
when freshman's could. It was interesting. I mean a lot
a lot of this has been kind of like bringing
back up kind of the insurrection of like fat culture
and how I mean it goes without saying that all
male prep schools of any grade level should be burned
to the ground along with the culture that comes with it.
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But it's interesting to hear that. I don't know, it's
it's weird like that specific uh section of of like
problematic male culture has kind of like fallen out of
discussion for a while and now it's it's back, Baby,
I haven't. I went on a fucking I fell in
a hole last night of uh, Tucker Tucker Max, is
(50:31):
that everyone remember I hope the beers beers. I in
my head, I'm like, that book has to be twenty
years old. It is not. It is ten years old.
That book came out in two thousand and six, was
the top book in the country for like over a year,
and I think today it could not even be published.
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It's just so like that, using that as a marker
of like how quickly things have you know, changed in
terms of political climate, that book would struggle so hard
to find a fucking publisher, to the point where Tucker Max,
this is just a fun fact that I think is insane.
Tucker Max now has to work as a ghostwriter, and
he ghost wrote Tiffany Hattish's memoir last year. He did,
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he did. But that is that is what's so fascinating
is you're talking about like, only in ten years did
a certain kind of book become unpublishable because it's socially unacceptable,
And yet thirty years between Anita Hill to today, the
same old process is happening and so it's like certain
things are improving at a rapid rate while other things,
and unfortunately the more important institutions are just staying the same. Yeah,
(51:37):
we're doing the easy shift first. It's like it's easy
to not publish a book. It's easy to say you
don't do this kind of movie or whatever. It's harder
to then look and start holding people truly accountable in
like in more you know, I think substantial ways to Yeah,
because no, I mean just just like like not enough
people with money or influence give a fuck, right, I
(51:59):
mean just lingering things that we haven't touched on. There
was his raising the idea that it was a Clinton
based revenge conspiracy. That was what he opened with. That
was in his opening statement. Um, and it was just weird.
His opening statement was weird because of how angry it was.
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But then also he he would choke up and cry,
which like not not above it. I cry literally all
the time, but but he choked up at the weirdest times,
like he was. He started choking up when he was
talking about his calendar, which was like it was somehow
(52:42):
connected to his dad. But then he started talking about workouts,
like workouts at his friend's house and he started crying
about that too. It was like workouts and calendars were
the things he got choked up talking about how he
bought a bunch of baseball tickets once he's my friends,
(53:03):
it was like, also, how is this whole calendar thing
not the most evident proof of this, dude is American
psycho had a few skis with the boys, right, what
was and what was his lifting? I will say what
was his one boy's nickname? Qui? Yeah, that was the
only part of his testimony. I like, because that's a
(53:25):
kind of cool nickname story. Oh I the fucking whole
virgin with a calendar narrative? Really maybe very tired again, Yeah,
I think even just his idea that he would entertain
this idea that it was a Clinton orchestrated hit job,
or like even raising the specter of George Soros, like
(53:46):
with the GEO people, like who paid for the polygraph test? Uh,
clearly he's even two partisan to even be a judge
regardless of how this goes. So there are many things
that objectively would be like based on temperament or partisanship
or what You're gonna have a dude step onto the
Supreme Court with clenched fists looking at Democrats or people
on the left that you're not going to get anything
anything remotely close to an impartial judge. People an attitude
(54:09):
like that, which is probably a pro for a republic
of course. Yeah, they want to fucking attack dog on
that side. One thing I'll just say is like, as
we look around, how this vote could happen at this point,
you know, as we record this, we we just watched
the testimony and everything. Now, so when you hear this,
we had to it was late breaking, it was late
(54:29):
we had you know, we had to be on top
of this Thursday night. But um, you know, if you
know right now, they're still scheduled to have a vote
to get him out of committee at nine thirty h
d C. Time, and we'll see how that goes. I mean,
people were reporting that Jeff Flake just huddled up with
Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins and Joe Mansion, like right
off to the side in the Senate building, the most
(54:50):
on the bubble on the bubble people, and like, if
Jeff Flake moves tomorrow, that this thing could change very differently.
So I don't know that it's very clearly this It
was a very very big day. But we'll see what happens.
I'm you know, I'm hoping that. I just hope that
people do the right thing. Jesus. Yeah. And I'll be
interested to see how people who are watching TV, uh
(55:14):
respond to this, like what because he is already a
historically unpopular candidate for the Supreme Court, and I can't
imagine that he's going to be more popular after today. Hey,
the bright side is, uh, if they don't end up
putting him in the Supreme Court, I bet they'll find
someone really nice to put in instead, someone awesome with
(55:35):
progressive views will be Yeah, it'll be a constitution in
a wig or something like this. This person's fine should
actually just be Tucker Max Jamie quick thoughts on stake
m Skull because we probably can't cover it. Okay, here's
the thing, the stake of thing. Uh. You were the
one who brought it to my attention. You did a
great dramatic reading of it. I was like, oh, ship,
(55:57):
I'm connecting with this wow isolation in the digital aig
oh funk. Oh shit. And and then I had, you know,
I went to p and then I came back and
I'm like, you know what, if you read it in
a less compelling way, then you did. That's a fucking uh.
That's a fucking monologue from Mr Robot. That's a cut
scene from Fight Club. Dude. It's like in this, like
(56:18):
you imagine Edward Norton mumbling the stakelm's account and it
loses its lesser entirely, where he's like, I can't believe
these kids that are isolated, they got mental illness. So
of course they started to connect with corporate accounts. They
turned to the thing that or that wants to kill
them and starts to connect with the conducted with each
other because of the computers. Anyway, I think we had
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to get to that really quick. But I know, we
gotta wrap this like this. I mean, we gotta say
what happened, right, Yeah, well, I mean the STAKELMS account
Twitter account just went on this like nihilist rant about
been doing for a while. Yeah, and they finally one
one caught on with everybody. Yeah. That was about how
young people are vapid and our culture is dead and
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everything sucks. It was very rust Cole from the first
season True Detective, you know who would never tweet nihilistic ship.
Is that Taco Bell being right? They have just fucking
hawk the product there? I thought I thought it was
an interesting thing, but ultimately that is great promotion for
shitty products. So just keep that in mind when you're
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I don't know, fucking your box of stake ms later?
Is there a dog food that sounds like stakes? Yeah?
Maybe that's all right? No Jamie, Thank you guys so
much for living through this exhausting day with us and
reacting to it with us. Noah, where can people find you?
Follow you at Noah G Comedy on Instagram and Twitter,
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Noah g Comedy dot com website. A good choice of handles.
Is there a tweet that you've been enjoying? No Alright
after that, you can find me on Twitter and Instagram
at Miles of Gray and yeah tweets. You know it's
anything anything, anything steak, Just check the steaks thing. Young
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people today have it the best in the worst. There's
so much to process and very few trusted anything. Shut up,
guy just got back from his first semester college. Also
v for Vendetta. That's the other thing. We can find
a bunch of view words in here. It gets annoying,
very fam right, um, Jamie, where can people find you?
Follow you? You find me on Twitter at Jamie loss
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to Help, Instagram at Jamie christ Superstar. But honestly, today
just sucking. Take a walk and you know, text your
mom and okay. Yeah. One of my what a tweet
that I was enjoying today was from the great Megan Amram.
She tweeted. She tweeted at eleven am I want a
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feel old today started sixty two years ago. You can
follow me on Twitter at Jack Underscore o Ian. You
can follow us at Daily Zeitgeist on Twitter at the
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In our we link off to the information that we
talked about in today's episode, as well as a song
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we ride out on miles what's that kind of be
go out on a song by knocks Fortune called Little
Thing and uh, I like the little D tune synthesizers
in here, but I think you'll like it too. Got
a good book, enjoy that. The footnotes are also any
information about the episode that you're listening to, So just
pitt on the high on whatever appen you are listening
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to it on. That's gonna do it for today. We
will be back on Monday with more podcasts than we
hope you have a week. We drank beer and and
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