Miles Gray: Amateur Astronaut, Stallone’s Nightmare Future 2.25.20

In episode 576, Jack and Miles are joined by journalist and author Joel Stein to discuss the death of flat earth-er Mike Hughes, the Harvey Weinstein verdict, the Nevada caucuses, Sylvester Stallone's new film, PAW Patrol, and more!

FOOTNOTES:

1. Mike Hughes: Man who wanted to prove Earth is flat dies after crashing homemade rocket
2. Live Updates: Harvey Weinstein Is Found Guilty of Rape
3. Nevada caucuses highlights: Sanders wins, Buttigieg campaign challenges some results
4. Sylvester Stallone Sci Fi-Action Pic ‘Little America’ Pre-Sells To Raft Of Major Territories For AGC At EFM
5. PAW Patrol
6. Does Paw Patrol encourage our kids to embrace capitalism?
7. Andrew Scheer Defends Free-Market Capitalism And 'Paw Patrol’
8. WATCH: Denny Laflare - Twelve Hundred

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season one, twenty two,
Episode two of Geist production of My Heart Radio. This
is the podcast where you take a deep dive into
America's share consciousness. Let's say officially off the top fund,
the Koch Brothers and Funk Fox News. It's Tuesday, February.
My name's Jack O'Brien a K. I did not even

(00:22):
we'll go with potatoes, O'Brien. I didn't even think about
your homework. O'Brien. Uh, fucked it up. Didn't do your
litter literary literary literature homework. I sucked that up to
we're nailing it. I'm thrilled to be joined as always
by my co host, Mr Miles Grass. Speaking of Lizz,
It's Miles Gray. A k A the account of Monty

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Costco a k A cron keyhote a k A E D.
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all the literary class. Oh yeah, um never read one

(01:05):
of them? Are they good? Yeah? Atlas nugg is really good.
I'm a huge fan. We're actually gonna talk about that
later on whether Atlas is nugging right now. But first, Miles,
we're going on the road our time machine to produce
around Hosnie. We're leaving actually right as we say the

(01:26):
last word on this episode, we're TV and time traveling
through space and sprinting to the airport to go to
Minneapolis February the Parlay Theater pos tonight see you. They're
in Minneapolis, Chicago February seven, Sleeping Village with Daniel van
Kirk and Toronto the Grand Finale February at the Great
Hall with Mark Little. For tickets, go to Daily Side

(01:49):
Guy Little Appearances tab and yeah by tickets, We're we're
looking forward to see and then I always stick the
landing I found, get to the page and they look
at it. Well. We are thrilled to be joined in
our third seat by the very talented and funny author

(02:09):
of In Defense of Elitism, Why I'm better than you
and you are better than someone who didn't buy this book.
He is Mr joel Stein. Thank you for having me here. Thanks.
I didn't come up with any a ks for myself.
That's Okay, it was lazy. Yeah, do you have any
want in actual life? Know, I've always wanted the nickname,

(02:30):
and no one ever gave me one that it's really
it doesn't speak well to the closest was being called
by your last name. Yeah, yeah, not even it's been Joel.
I've just been Joel, which is so or Mr Stein.
Usually it's Mr Stein. Sir. Yes, that's just at home though,
that's just with your kids and my wife, Yeah, sir.

(02:53):
Uh Well, Joel. Uh, it's great to have you here. Uh.
We're going to get to know you a little bit better.
And first we're going to tell our listeners a few
of things we're talking about today. Uh. And I feel
like the Zeit guys really cooperated with having somebody who
just wrote a book called In Defense of Elitism on
because we are mourning the passing of the flat Earth guy,

(03:14):
uh Mad Mike Hues. So we're gonna talk about that.
We're gonna talk about Weinstein being found partially guilty but
sent straight to jail, which is satisfying. We're gonna talk
about Bernie Sanders win in Nevada and the maybe connected
stock market kinda going down a little bit or a

(03:34):
lot bit and just generally I'm curious to hear your
thoughts on that. Joel. We're gonna talk about Sylvester Stallone's
new movie, which sounds like an old man's dystopian fantasy.
We're gonna talk about you guessed it, the Paw Patrol controversy. Uh.
Paw Patrol, a kid's cartoon that, if you're lucky, you

(03:56):
probably don't know anything about, but is probably the piece
of culture that I am most familiar with over the
past two years of my life, is under attack, under
fire from the radical left. Je thing from the radical left. Yeah,
radical left is uh kind of yeah. They're saying it's no,

(04:18):
they're saying it's pro privatization of of things like police
service and fire service. Uh. It's not a very solid
argument based on with by extensive knowledge, but it's it
was not presented as such. It's one of those things
where the conservatives are finding a way to kind of

(04:39):
be like, we're fucked. They're coming for our Teletubbies and
although not Teletubbies, I guess that was their their beef.
They're coming for our Paw Patrol. But first, Joel, we
like task our guests, what is something from your search
history that is revealing about who you are. I thought
I was just supposed to tell you the last that's
that's good. Does that seemed more odd? That's more revealing?

(05:02):
It's sort of is. But um. The last thing I
googled was how to pronounce Filfredo Parado, which is someone
an Italian economist who came up with the the idea
of this essay a nineteen hund called the Circulation of
the Elites. And I had mentioned him on another podcast
and the other person had a different pronunciation and we

(05:24):
got into a physical altercation. That was right. I was right,
but only probably because I said it in the audio books.
I probably had already checked got it, but I've forgotten that.
What was the dispute over what Parado versus Parritoo rookie mistake? Yeah,
you hate to see it. I hate to see it.
What is something you think is overrated? Over the gut?

(05:47):
Everyone like how you feel? Like my My whole book
is about the expertise over the gut. So I think
you know, I just had an instinct here. I just knew, like,
as David Foster Wallace said, like the thing that I
most intimately know my gut is that I am the
most important person in the exact center of the universe, right, Yeah,
it's a very good point. Um yeah, And I've heard

(06:09):
you kind of talk about this in relation to both
Trump and Bernie Sanders and like sort of the populist
movement being something that appeals to the gut as opposed
to the the brain. What is that? Is that kind
of where you're coming from or is that, yeah, the
feeling that some other person or group of people are

(06:31):
out to get you and that the system can just
be fixed if we just get rid of the bad
guy instead of actual systemic fixes, and that you just
feel like something is right and you just feel like
you know more than the general's That's the stuff that
scares me. Man. The amount of miss whenever was the
book of mistakes the gut has led us to also

(06:51):
just as is important. Um yeah, I think that. Do
you think that Sanders is equally guilty as Trumper? Like, no, no,
I think he's guilty, But no, not at all. No,
they're not in the same league, because I mean, I
see how his sort of villainization of the wealthy could

(07:13):
be seen as an easy answer, But it does seem
like a lot of his proposals are fairly systemic. They're
not just some of them are, but some of the
systemic ones also seem like they're from the gut. Like
when he talks about putting a farmer on the Fed
Board of Governors, I feel like we have two reasons
we wouldn't eat if he did that. And some of

(07:35):
his proposals I think are really like the economist he
has I think is is is very fringey and doesn't
believe in the fact that like, um, you know, the
higher inflation will cause more unemployment and so yes, I
feel like he has some things from the gut, some
of which are that, um, you know, rich people are

(07:57):
stealing money from poor people kind of illegal, we in
shady ways compared to we just have a system in
which in which people are allowed to accumulate. It happens
above board. Yeah exactly. Yeah. Uh. What is something you
think is underrated? Underrated? Okay, I did this story. I'm biohacking,
and I now feel strongly that sleep is underrated. I

(08:18):
know that sounds totally lame and Arianna Huffington is, but
I do think like having good solid, deep sleep and
good ram sleep is super important, and we're not focusing
on the things that will help us at all? Did
you not used to be a believer in sleep? You're
sort of like I just feel like this because of
other things. Maybe not because I only need five hours
of sleep or what was I would definitely have put
sleep under nutrition and under maybe even exercise, and now

(08:43):
I don't at all. You put it above or like
on the same put it above, And the simple way
to think about that is like, could you go without
two days of sleep, eating or exercise? Yeah, I would
be a wreck wreck. Yeah yeah, but yeah, like if
I just have to like get some work done, I'll
stay up to like three in the morning. Yeah. I
also wonder if it has something to do with like

(09:04):
the point at your life here in like I used
to be able to do all nighters and I no
longer can even remotely do an all nighters. Your sleep
gets worse as you get older, especially you're deep sleep
and your ram. Also, alcohol really messes up your sleep.
It's a bomber. Yeah, yeah, it makes it Like I
used to think that drinking made me sleep more soundly

(09:26):
because I could sleep for seventeen hours crappy sleep. That
same with like ambience, like you get more asleep, but
it's like kind of just light sleep. It's not that
right sort of Yeah, wait, so what what kind of
biohacking were you doing for your sleep? For the sleep part, Yeah,
you know, I would dim the lights in my house
at night. I would I would sleep in a colder place,

(09:49):
you know, keep my house colder. I would go to
sleep and wake up at the same time all seven
days a week. Were you doing it for a book
or it's probably an article for a medium? And what
was like the wildest thing you did for the bio
like that? That wasn't one of the basic like sleep,
you know, going to bed at the same time three

(10:10):
times a week before working out and got in a
cryo chamber which got down to like negative two something degrees.
How long did you How long did you stay in there?
Just three minutes? It seems that wasn't the craziest thing
I did. I'm trying to think of the craziest things
I did. This stuff called pemp which um, you lie
on a batter sitting a chair and they turned the
electricity off up and it like it feels like something

(10:32):
the shop around would have created, but it like sends
shocks throughout you. That's supposed to like go to where
you need your muscles need to be healed. Did that
work seemingly? Juries out definitely. Hurt has not come back yet.
Do you feel like the cryo thing helped, because I've
heard mixed things about that. You know, I'm not particularly

(10:54):
sensitive to my body. I didn't feel like it did anything. Yeah, Wow,
you gotta do this body hacking stuff. Yeah. Man was
the most sensitive to his body. Yeah. Yeah, like whenever
I feel that he's wearing comfy clothing. Yeah, it's I'm
sensitive my my feel what I'm wearing. Yeah, nothing less
than billowy fleece robes. And this is can you like
this is true about sounds and crowded environments and all

(11:16):
that kind of stuff. Yeaheah, I'm like hyper sensitive. I've
sent my son. Is that? Yeah? I wonder, I mean,
But then at the same time, I'm not necessarily like
a fitness person, so I don't know if I would
be like, oh, yeah, Man with the cryo ship, right,
I pushed out like eight more max reps on that ship.
He used all the terms. Yeah, I mean, you sound
like a fitness sound like Arnold I gotta I have

(11:37):
a lot of toxic friends. I gotta keep up. Pushed
out six more Max Rap, Bax wraps, you know what
I mean. So I'm gonna go cry oh in in
the bathroom, in the bathroom, my favorite special song. Yeah.
And finally, what is a myth? What something people think

(11:59):
is true? You know? To be Oh well, I run
in the pretty liberal crowd. And the myth that bothers
me the most is that Trump voters are ill informed
and voting against their own interests. And if we just
explain things to them, they'll change their mind right now.
But here's the deal. Your factory job is gone, your
Soy being tiriffs or hurting your Yeah, that's not gonna work. Yeah, yeah,

(12:21):
I think they know what they're doing. People vote altruistically, right.
Let's like, lots of really rich people who are liberals
will vote for higher taxes, and lots of farmers will
vote for Soy being tireffs because they've they're voting for
the what they think the country should be, which is
sticking it to the libs. And just like cultural stuff
like well why do you think when when because you

(12:42):
free your book, you went down to a town that
voted more uniformly for Trump than any other the county
of the high Trump voters in Texas and what like,
would you say that that was an experience that revealed
something to you about yeah, or what they're preserve. Yeah.
I think that there's a cosmopolitan elite that I'm very

(13:05):
proud to be part of. And the way that like
I connect to the globe and think about the world
is so dystopic to these people. Like when they think
about Los Angeles or any city, they think about homeless
people and people who don't know their neighbors, and people
are looking at their phone all day and only interested
in their status. Um, and they just they where's the lie.

(13:28):
They're not wrong, They're not wrong at all. But they
see that they see that is the future of the country,
and they want to stop that and restore it to
uh kind of a what you still probably see in
the shrinking rural parts of this country. And it's an
existential threat to them. And they do not like Donald Trump.
But they have said to me, like, if you have
a cockroach infestation and you hire an exterminator and he

(13:51):
has his butt crack showing and he's cursing, but he
gets the job done, you hire him. Yeah, right, yeah,
famously comparing the diverse pipe relation to cock Okay, yet
the roaches here one of the time. Yeah, there are
a couple of things said that I was like, oh, please,

(14:12):
don't make me write this in my bookcase. He seems
like such a nice people. All right, um, all right,
let's talk about Yeah, I'll be interested to hear your
your thoughts on the Flat Earth group. So I'm against them, Okay, Okay,
A man, I didn't see it coming. Huh uh. No,
So there mad Mike Cues, who was trying to prove

(14:36):
that the Earth was flat by going into space. There
it seems like there has to be an easier way
to do that. Every well, a lot of the other
experiments they try end up proving that the Earth is round,
and then they're like, well, nah, I can't be that
one then god Like in that Netflix documentary, famously, they
did an experiment where they were sending a laser across
like a distance that was just enough that you would

(14:58):
be able to detect the curvature of the Earth, and
sure enough that laser was pointing like at an angle
because of the curvature of the Earth and they're like,
nah man, this, um, this can't be it. Let's check
it again, and they're like, nah man, it's it's right,
and then they look back to the drawing board. So
I guess for mad Mike Hughes, he was like, I'm

(15:19):
going to make a steam powered rocket and go as
high as I can, and then I'll be able to
see from up there. That's the deal. I can see
the ice wall from here or whatever he believed he
would see from up there. Or he could just get
on one of those cruises that goes around the world. Well,
and those ones, there's other things about like those cruises
are ran by like you know, the global cabal of

(15:39):
like like firmament deniers who want you to believe that
the Earth is around. So like the cruise ships will
never actually get to a place where you would be
able to see what they believe is the edge of
the earth. How do they think you get back to
where you started? They turned around? They turned around. It
really is a country where people fly to. But but

(16:00):
it's a hoax. But it's a hoax with Australia. Australia
is not real Australia. You know, I spent a month
there and I think they may be right, seem a
little too close to the Western US the weird. It
just seemed like I hadn't gotten that far right. And
sometimes they would slip out of their accident just accidentally.
It was like a little too cowboys. This is fake guy.

(16:22):
Well the so this guy right, he took on Saturday,
he went up in his rocket. There's a video of it,
and it's just pretty sad, like it goes up. There
was supposed to be a shoot that deployed for him
to safely return, and the shoot just I think deployed incorrectly. No,
it deployed right away, like as it was taking off,
like the initial plume of whatever was propelling him upward

(16:44):
was like had a torn up parachute mixed in with it,
like as it cleared, and then it just came right
back down. And this sort of proves my theory that
rockets don't exist. There you go, they don't really work. Yeah. Yeah.
The thing was he was recording. He was doing a
new TEA V series called a Homemade Astronauts on what
in this article describes the U S Science Channel, which

(17:07):
isn't I don't know what that is. I think I
think they meant, because it's from the from the Independent
in the UK. The Science Channel here in the US,
is there a Science Church. Yeah, So what they said
in their statement is our thoughts and prayers go out
to his family and friends during this difficult time. It
was always his dream to do this launch, and Science
Channel was there to chronicle his journey. But that's tough.

(17:29):
I mean, the guy that's such a weird state, like
you were making a show. Is this like a real
channel that I'd get if I had a cable box? Yeah?
People really, And so they were okay with this. That's
not good. That's a weird statement to have. For we
we basically captured and our will probably be exploiting this
man's tragic death for our show, Homemade Astronauts. The idea

(17:52):
even the name is like Dangerous Knife Catchers Science Channel. Yeah,
check out the new spinoff Baby Knife. So yeah, that
is an interesting statement from them. But they have lots
of people die in reality TV shows like Ice Road
Truckers or like are people dying all? Remember on Deadliest Catch?

(18:13):
Very early on there was like someone passed away and
that was like big news. I think, so something like
on camera, I don't know, if he's on camera during production,
someone like one of the crew people I don't know crew,
but like or people on the boats did, but I
don't not that like I know that it's like a
dangerous path like that reality, I mean reality. Being on
the reality show ruins your life in another way, not

(18:35):
in a physical way, but it sometimes doesn't. Like I
tried out for the Real World London and I got
to the final like when they fly you New York
and interview you, and I've interviewed the guy who got
my place instead of me. It didn't affect his life
that much. Like no one remembers that he was on it. Yeah,
it rarely comes up. It's interesting that cast was a
little bit hard to remember when I think about it,

(18:57):
especially the guy who was kind of like me. Yeah,
I like okay, said, like I met the guy in
my mind, you've been You've been stalking him, just like, hey, motherfucker,
Like what did was he did he look like somewhat
similar to you? Was it? Were they like casting to
a type? Yes, they were casts. Did you guys get
along really famously? I never I only called him recently

(19:18):
for something I was working on, So I never never
met him. So he was like, he's a playwright, and yeah,
they cast him instead of me because John Murray, when
I reviewed him, later told me that he was afraid
I'd never get laid. Did he really? Wow? Correct? Even
with the help of a TV show, which one was it?

(19:42):
It was the Real World London? No, but which guy
on the cast was this? Oh I'm bla his name?
That's see this proves my point. Mike J Neil j
J name Jay Frank from Portland origin. That's a guy, Okay, fantastic. Yeah,
this was a when I looked through him like, I
don't really remember me any of the people from this
I remember just sinda. Yeah, didn't somebody get their tongue

(20:05):
almost bitten off in Real World London? Thinking about a
different one Forrester Forrester making out with someone. Think The
most notable event of the season occurs when a cast
member and when cast member and singer Neil Forrester kisses
a male heckler during a performance, who then bites the
tip of Forrester's tongue off. Yeah, I remember that being Wait,

(20:25):
so he forced a kiss on a Heckler and the
off Yeah, that's how we was gonna happen there. It
was there, it was there, it was I was just
it would be so interesting if you went and like
looked at this person's life and it was like one
of those longitudinal studies of identical twins where it's like
they have like all the same things, like all the
same interests. Like it's like I have three kids and

(20:48):
their names are the same as your kids names too.
If if real world casting was like that. But you know,
I think this is I think my theory with the
real world not ruining your life is I feel like
those early people, like the first five seasons, they got
away pretty scott free somewhere between a social experiment Miami

(21:08):
around the Miami cast, I felt like the temperature started
to get turned up on the real world, where we
saw like a lot more like interesting, darker ship going on.
Her characters were a little bit more so you think
I did their lives more. They were just already messed up,
And I'm curious about like Ruthie from Hawaii, who like
had it was like struggling with her drinking on the show,
and even remember afterwards people saying like that lifestyle was

(21:31):
only contributing worse to her alcoholism. Well, I think she
started drinking a lot more on the on the show.
I don't know, like there was actual I remember the
first season there was an actual boredom where they were
like sitting around, like shooting pool and being like, there's
really nothing to do because they don't let you watch TV.
So they're like, something's going to happen because you're not

(21:53):
allowed to watch TV. You're not allowed to do anything
besides interact with each other. And so I think what
a lot of our instincts are when we're you know,
forced to be in socially uncomfortable situations, is to drink.
And if they just provide you with a place and
an environment to drink, and maybe maybe it's not the best.

(22:13):
I mean, I think Ruthie is doing well because she's posting,
you know, really great travel picks. Yeah, she's definitely been
to majorca in Spain. That seems right. Yeah, alright, let's
take a quick break. We'll be right back, and we're back.

(22:38):
And Harvey Weinstein was found partially guilty, guilty, definitely convicted,
but a couple of the charges that would have put
him in jail for up to life did not. He
was not found guilty of that life for Harvey weinsty
at this point. Right. Well, so that's the thing is
as of now, it's between fifty or five and thirty

(23:01):
years and you know he's what sixty sixty seven, So
I mean if it's towards healthy, right, yeah, that's also
a good point. Uh not looking great. Um, And they
took him straight to jail. His attorney was like, well, let's,
you know, leave him out while he waits he waits sentencing,

(23:22):
and they were not having that. The judge, you know,
send him to jail right away, which is right. Yeah.
So I mean we're talking in past episodes that legal
scholars were saying that it, you know, this was a
daring case for the prosecution to bring because it relied
on a lot of different like factors and you know

(23:45):
things that uh wouldn't normally get prosecuted in court, just
because of how these sorts of cases usually go. And
so I think this has to be you know seen
generally is just a win and shouts out to the
to the women. Definitely a landmark stepped forward case. Yeah.
And it's especially I mean his defense was sort of

(24:07):
just sort of like this. I mean, some of these
women were using him actually right, So yeah, like you
can tell when you've sort of getting these why a
lot of these uh sort of cases are harder to prosecute,
especially when you have someone who like has a high
powered lawyers who are able to be a slippery is Like, no,
he was one being used your honor and everything was
consensual and if they didn't like it, then why would

(24:27):
they keep talking to him? And then just sort of
narrowly just defended on that on those grounds, But yeah, um,
he will, I guess. So it's up to twenty five.
You said thirty five to up to thirty, so I
mean the low end is inexcusable. But there's also a

(24:48):
case that's coming up in l A that might add
time onto that. So we'll see how that goes. All right.
In the Democratic primary, Bernie Sanders, hey his definitely his
most convincing win yet in this Democratic primary in Nevada.
People are saying that Nevada's demographically looks a lot like

(25:13):
the country in terms of diversity, and a lot of
Democratic strategists are now you can kind of feel them
getting their mind around the fact that like this might
be the guy. Yeah, it's a it's the first time
someone had the popular vote in the first three yearly
state primaries too, I think. Yeah, I went to the

(25:35):
caucuses one year, I think the first year, the Nevada caucuses. Yeah,
I went to the Bellaggio. Yeah, and uh, it's supposed
to be this caucus like Iowa where people discussed and
they go to different parts of the room. I walked
into the this big ballroom and Hillary Clinton had just
walked by me. It was Clinton versus Obama, and uh,

(25:56):
she had walked by me. And then suddenly I asked
her a question, and the pruss showed up and show
up in this ballroom and everyone's wearing their union shirts
and the this union leader gets on stage and he's
like everyone for Hillary, and everyone raised their hand and
he's like, great, We're done. It's like five seconds the
whole thing last ding. That was. That's the first time

(26:17):
I was like, unions are way more powerful than I thought,
and Bernie didn't have their support and he killed nevertheless. Yeah,
that that was I think surprised some people, although I
think heading into the weekend people were starting to get
a sense that he was going to run away with it.
But at first, when the Culinary Culinary Union when went
against him, people were starting to think that he might

(26:41):
be in trouble or that Elizabeth Warren might be able
to use some of the momentum from uh, just murdering
Bloomberg on the last debate. Uh. And that's the thing
about murdering someone in a debate, or it's like or
Pete and Amy Klobuchar, it's a murder suicide pack, like
everyone hates you for doing it and you destroy the

(27:03):
other person. Well, I think maybe for the Pete and
Amy one, but I think that one seemed like it
was just they couldn't help themselves pee. A lot of
the tweets that were funnier were being like I was
like they were definitely in a relationship. We revealed it
right there right. Um. Yeah. And I think just even

(27:23):
with like the whole as you were saying, like, as
the results were coming in and even at like six,
like it became clear what the outcomes were. Uh. Chris
Matthews again had to go on I guess magine no
line comparison of the Germans breaching like with like comparing
this campaign to that, and again if people like here

(27:43):
we go, what's what's he up to now? Uh? And Yeah,
a lot of people have been like resigned to apologize
to Holy sh it, what the funk was that? Do
we think he's doing this on purpose at this point?
I think he. I think he believed his sentiment around
emerging what he in his mind. He's labeled like capital
as socialist is like genuinely frightening to him as like

(28:07):
a person, because I've never seen him go completely like
like viscerally like and you never know what's next, like
beheadings in Central Park. It's like, really, that's an out
loud thing. Yeah, he definitely seems shaky when he's doing it. Yeah, well,
I don't follow Chris Matthews. Chris Matthews from Hardball. Yeah no,
I know, I've been on Hardball. And but he is

(28:28):
anti Bernie because he thinks Bernie will lose the nomination
or he just hates Bernie. He's afraid of Bernie's a president.
He's afraid of Bernie's not the thing. The last two
things that have gotten him hot water have been comparisons
to like some that there will be public executions as
a result of socialism. Literally. Yeah, well, he said that
he remembers a time from the Cold War like he's
like saying it in this way like I remember a

(28:49):
time when we were afraid of socialism, and I thought
that maybe there would be you know, a socialist would
win and there will be people marching into Central Park
and exsassinated. And then Chris Hayes was like, wait, but
he hasn't said anything remotely close like relating to that,
and he goes, I don't know, but has he We
don't know. It was like yeah, but Chris Hayes tried

(29:10):
to give him like, hey, you want to readjust there
and he didn't. And then again when when it became
clear that he wanted it was like yeah, and he's like,
I remember, you know when Churchill got the call that
they've broken through. Yeah, and it was just like whoa, Okay.
It is interesting to see MSNBC because I mean, I
think people, if people have a general like left right dichotomy,

(29:31):
MSNBC is the left to Fox News is right. But
MSNBC seems to be having the hardest time dealing with
this leftist candidate. Really yeah, yeah, it's like a lot
of I mean Chris Jansen, who's another one of their
anchors or correspondence, she was in Vegas during the UH
caucuses in Nevada, and at one point she was like, yep,

(29:54):
and we're looking in here. When you look in the room, Uh,
it's yeah, it's it's pretty clear or that, especially with
some of these Latino voters. There's a lot of support
for Bernie Sanders like side like it was weird, like
it was I don't know. And again, I think because
they've been really between like who's a Chuck Todd even

(30:17):
with his like digital brown shirts comment that he made,
there's been a lot where people have just been kind
of noticing how they're very focused on sort of pointing
out whatever the absolute bad ship is or how can
they like vilify versus being like that's why there's also
a lot of opinion pieces coming out to from other
political writers who are sort of like, okay, so that

(30:38):
was unequivocal like what happened in Nevada, Like people need
to actually begin figuring out what they're going to do here,
because like just sort sort of like dragging your feet
about this is not going to help if you're truly about,
if you're even narrowly about, we have to defeat Trump.
So what is it going to be? Yeah, And I
mean it's you know, when Trump was sort of sir

(31:00):
Jang through the Republican primaries. I think Fox News initially
had sort of a partially uh, you know, never Trumper
stance where they were like, well, is this guy really good?
And you know that was probably born out of Fox
News being more closely alligned with the Republican Party than
they were with anybody, and Trump's were a bitten. Then

(31:22):
once Trump became the official, you know, Republican nominee, it's
just interesting because Trump, you know, just went went into
that role and became like the party guy and just
he didn't change really what he was doing, but the
party I guess changed to meet him there. I don't know,
you never a party guy. I mean he was always

(31:44):
railing against w Yeah. I guess the party just adopted
him as their guy. The voters did, yeah, right after
after the voters, Yeah, yeah, I guess that's right. I
feel like it was the the RNC is when you know,
you started having the Republican Party just kind of coming

(32:05):
around and being like, well, he's our guy, we gotta
go with it, and telling Ted Cruz to funk off
for not coming around. So, I don't know, it's very interesting.
I And then I mean the we're we're recording this
Monday morning, and the Dow Jones is in kind of
a downward spiral. It's really think of think of the people,

(32:33):
think of the portfolio, the portfolio. But I I do
wonder like if this is connected. I mean the like
Trump got in, he gave the gave companies a huge
tax break, Like is you know Bernie would presumably do
something not I think this is pretty coronavirus Really, you

(32:55):
think this is coronavirus related. I think people have issued
some reports of their bosses and people are freaking out. Yeah,
that makes sense because it's it's not just our stock market,
although of course our president affects all the stock markets.
But because like Fox News is like, I don't know,
is it Bernie, I don't know, I don't know where
they Yeah, yeah, that was like on Fox Business because

(33:16):
I'm sure again they know what the economy being like
the only argument that Trump could have were like on
paper like yeah, I guess that's not in technically negative
space like that that's what they can hold on to.
But yeah, I mean also too, when you think about
the amount of I was talking to a couple of
people I know who work at a pretty large multinational
like garment company, and there their companies and utter chaos,

(33:39):
right because of like coronavirus. Yeah, the all the distribution
chains are like messed up. They have people stationed all
over the world who are also like trying to be
like I don't want to be here, I want to
come back there. There's a lot. But can we blame
Bernie for the coronavirus? Yeah, yeah, that's the question we
well know. But Bernie can blame the globalization. Both he

(34:02):
and Trump can both blame globalization and that we've become
so dependent on each other that we can't function as
soon as one, as soon as China fails like that,
we we we have to become more self sufficient. I
mean they're both in that way against trade, against TPP,
against NAFTA, against globalization. So um, I mean that's where
I get upset as the pro elitist, is that you

(34:23):
think that globalization is I mean just from a like
sort of politically like a strategic perspective. Do you think
that Sanders has the best shot of winning against Trump
or do you think no? No, I mean I don't know,
I mean, I don't know anything. I'm not going to predict.

(34:44):
I'm not in that business. I'm barely trying to figure
out what happened like four years ago. But I would
say from looking at Jeremy Corbyn getting trounced by the
the hated Boris Johnson, who that's one factor. And I
think the two thousand eighteen election where the important Purple
states were won by very conservative Democrats, and just how

(35:05):
much Americans have freaked out by the word and notion
of socialism in any form, not Democrats, but like Independence,
especially low information voter. I don't know if it's a
one to one comparison to Corbin between like their perception
within the country and sort of their base, but I
think to the point pretty close, it's like some very

(35:26):
liberal backbencher who had been around for a long time
kind of yeah. But I think there's this. I think
there's a lot more the people who at least from
looking at a lot of like the people who are
voting in Nevada to like the amount of people who
even identified as conservatives and Independence who he got. I
was I was really surprised by that because I wasn't sure.
I was curious to see what that sort of Sliver

(35:46):
became um but yeah, there I think with a lot
of the strategies at they're pointing, especially like with their
ground game is very different in trying to reach as
many people. So it's gonna be it'll be interesting to
see how it works. I'm less afraid of the sort
of like McGovern effect thing that many people are talking about,

(36:06):
because at the end of the day, I think the
people who are scared of the sort of socialism tag
tend to be the older voters because that's where you
see like over sixty five, like he's underwater, like no
one is even getting near him, but vote yeah, And
I think that's where that's Those are the dynamics though
at play though too, because now you have a generation

(36:27):
where like for me as a millennial, like I grew
up seeing gen xers and boomers be like, oh cool,
you go to college and like you can own a
fucking house, and then I'm like, what the funk happened?
Like when I got out in two thousand seven, I'm like,
the opportunities are completely different. Yet I'm looking for an
explanation as to how I can prosper in a similar way,
and I'm unwilling to accept sort of like, I don't know, man,

(36:49):
we gotta like there are other ways to figure it out.
But you moved to Los Angeles. You're not in Pennsylvania.
Was yeah, but you're in Los Angeles, not in Wisconsin. Pennsylvania. Absolutely,
And I think and I think the but the I think.
But the reason why it's catching on though is maybe
people not might not be able to articulate in the
exact same way, but there is a feeling of like
I think it's supposed to be different than this. I

(37:11):
just feel that those people who feel that way in
election after election around the world seem to vote for
like the far right autocrat, like whether it's Australia or England,
Like I haven't seen a place where the far left
guy beats the far right guy. Well, I think it'll be.
It's it'll be it'll be an experiment because if that happens,
we don't want an experiment, I think, because you know,

(37:34):
but when we run like sort of through the middle candidates,
it doesn't it's been not great, Like it seems like
the energy that people have at least going into an election,
or at least a change election would be something that's
a little bit that offers a bit of a different
vision than what the sort of doubt straight up the
middle John Kerry, Hillary Clinton sort of yeah, and you know,

(37:55):
like Obama had had the allure of a aggressive but
then had to tack back to center. My suspicion is
that America after the economic crisis, it was like a
lot of people became certain like the fixes in because
we had Obama running as the crisis was unfolding. He
was kind of, uh, going out there with more of

(38:18):
a socialist message of you know, leaning socialists, not like
I'm going to forgive the banks. It was like, you know,
I'm a man of the people. And then once he
got into office, he just like kind of acquiesced to
what the kind of financial interests wanted. And I just
think that there are people who are like, there's this narrative,

(38:39):
like the mainstream media narrative that's out there, and the
Democratic Party is part of that, and like the never
Trumper Republicans are part of that, and I just don't
trust it anymore. And I think that's where like a
lot of the populist energy is coming from, is that
there was this financial crisis that never really got properly

(39:00):
like it was just sort of yeah, yeah, we just
I think that's all hard sell to most Americans in
a booming economy. It's ten it's twelve years ago. I
just don't know what's a booming economy to somebody in
a state like Wisconsin or Pennsylvania who can't support, like
even like to be a single parent, and you can't
do it with one job. But I don't think it's
been a reality for thirty years. Yeah, but I think

(39:22):
that's why. That's why I think we're reaching a tipping
point where now it was easy to sort of rhetorically
or like use different kinds of political you know, rhetorical
things to distract people from that Versus now I be like, well,
know what the funk is going on? I think the
revolution that's happening in India, Europe here is not an
economic one. I just don't. I think people are upset

(39:43):
about that, the way the country has changed on a
non economic basis. I think people are freaked out about
changes that no one in this room thinks is weird.
Like when I went to Miami, Texas, Like, I don't
think trans rights are new. I don't think gay marriage
is new. I don't think, uh, you know, I don't,

(40:04):
but things happen so quickly and it's not being processed
by people in rural areas, and they've got a lot
of power in our system. But on the other side
of that, if you were on the left, that wouldn't
be obscure to you. But there's still there is what's
that Where is that momentum coming from? Like I guess
in that world if the rest of cities are becoming
bigger and stronger, right, And I think people are freaking

(40:27):
out about about that. And I don't think telling them
that they're going to not pay for college is gonna
have any residents other than screw you. I paid for
my kids college. Well that's that. That's the one thing
you always hear back from people who have paid. But
I think that's where if you're gonna give that person

(40:47):
insurance who doesn't work, I have a job, I'm scraping
by and I earned my insurance. I don't know. I
just know it's something you heard from the culinary union though,
where where people were like, why would you vote for
Sanders when your union gives you is great insurance? And
that's what they're saying. Sanders would take away your insurance
and they were like, yeah, but I might lose my
job then what and when? Also this choice though, to like,

(41:09):
let's be real, the people who are putting together these
insurance plans are the stakeholders themselves, so that's not in
their business interest to offer people good health insurance. So
I think that's another myth though, to say like, well
there's this choice, but like there's who's who is offering
people like actually dignified sort of truly like humane healthcare

(41:31):
where it's like, what's what, what do you what's going on?
What do you need? And the next question is like,
well what plan are you on? Because then that's the
second thing we got it, And that's I think that's
the that's the sort of gridlock or the log jam
that people are trying to address, because then it's not humane.
Now it's like there's a you know, there's a cast
system within what kind of medical care you can get? Yeah,
and I think, you know, I think obviously the fact

(41:53):
that there's all these new forms of media that are
not like going through the same process, uh, they're they're
not the same outlets that people been using for decades
at least is also affecting this and you know, from
a bad perspective, Facebook causing deadly riots and countries in

(42:15):
like in India, I think there was one. But I
also think that people, you know, like back in the nineties,
MSNBC was where you would go to find out like
what the democratic take was, like what who Democrats would
vote for? And now it feels like there's plenty of
other ways to interact and communicate on that front, just

(42:37):
not from like a singular sources. Yeah, yeah, and I
mean just yeah, Facebook obviously is not where we want
people to be getting their information from. But I do
think that I just give well, but that's what we
saw with in the two thousand and sixteen elections that
was more influential than anyone was giving it credit for
in the run up to the election. Was you know,

(42:58):
people being influenced by the fact that there are these
more democratically determined, uh forms of communication than what what
has happened in the past. And that can be you know,
a bad thing obviously, but I think it can also
be partially explaining why there's populous movement on the left too.

(43:20):
All right, well, the marathon continues, it does. Let's take
another break we'll be right back and we're back, and uh,
let's talk about Sylvester Stallone's new film. Uh. I've said

(43:41):
before on the show that I think he's you know,
in the eighties he was one of America's leading propagandists,
if not America's leading propagandists. He had a Rocky four
and Rambo two came out in the same year and
more like two and three at the box office for
the year, and it was like Rambo goes back and
wins the Vietnam War and Rocky win the Cold War
from done and done, left and right. Uh. And he's

(44:06):
continued to try and do that in the modern era
with kind of to less effect. He had Rambos whatever
that come out. Was that the one like the Narco Trafficker? Yeah,
and it was yeah, it was basically, uh, you know,
an argument for the wall type thing. Oh. I interviewed
him for that. Which year was this? This was like

(44:27):
the last ye year, No, the one before them where
that was also dealing with Oh but what And that
one was just sort of like everyone was like, dude,
it's one of the most violent films ever. Right, wasn't
that like the Hook? Not even like the narrative. It's like,
I don't know, man, people's heads are just I don't
remember what it was about, but even there was it was. Yeah.

(44:47):
So the last Rambo movie was had weird you know
things about the Mexican border and did not do very
well and was critically panned. But he's he's back, yeah,
with another movie with Little America. He's slowly been getting
you know, some more distribution deals going for this film.

(45:08):
Uh so, this is what Little America's about. It's called
Little America. Wait till you hear Why. Much like The Apple,
the Camal, Johnny So setting the dystopian future where America
has become bankrupt and turned into a war zone. Stallone
will play a former army ranger hired by an Asian
billionaire to find his daughters. With the highly skilled sister

(45:30):
of the missing woman along for the ride. Slide ranger
must navigate the dark underbelly of Little America, a walled
off city within a city in Hong Kong where many
Americans have fled. No, Wow, there are layers to that cake.
This is what I was talking about with the far

(45:50):
right thinking that America's a dystopia now city within his
and the like that's the kind of thing where it's say,
like pretty soon we're going to go into these other countries.
There's gonna be a little America where they talk about
our food like they do their No my nightmare. Yeah,
I'm curious to see what this these sets look like.

(46:12):
What like there's like everything about this trailer Hamburger here.
America in Osaka that I've been to have little places
like that. And there's like acle in Tokyo that was
more of like a former black market where like g
I s or trading stuff during the end of the war. Yeah,

(46:32):
and there's like yeah that, but this is a little
the little one of those soccer is literally like American
flags and you know the Hamburger restaurants, and it's like
a little a little weird, you know, anime version of America,
the dystopian one where it's refugee Americans. That's different, Like
what do they do like get around and like sing
nickel Back by the fire Little America. Yeah, Miles goes

(47:00):
deep with Nickelback. Yeah, give me the hit, oh Man
from underneath the trees. We watched the skies confusing sauce
for satellites. I never dream that youube be man. We're here, Yeah,
we're here, and that anyway, I mean, that's like a
deep cunt. That's not one. I mean, look, yeah, you

(47:22):
gotta do it. I never made it out one man,
but I like the other one. I'm alive. I mean,
that's if no one cared, is what that one was about.
So you know when we when when I'm the great
Bard of Little America being like, tell us another one, man,
Oh yeah, gather around. Chad was really on one with
this one. Huh. That's also he's Canadian. Yeah, but the

(47:48):
great irony of Little America is we're still like they're like,
that's Canadian killed that I must never never be revealed. Yeah, well,
speaking of American culture, that is actually Canadian paw Patrol.
That's yeah. Yeah. So it's a kid's cartoon set in
thunder Bay, a world where adults are usually like the

(48:12):
adults are incredibly incompetent, and they're often rescued by a
small boy named Rider and a bunch of dogs, Chase
Marshall Sky and Rubble uh and Rubble. Yeah. He's the
construction guy like knocks things down and builds them back up.
Total badass, uh right, But so each dog has a

(48:38):
set of skills. Um. They the firefighter dog is the
comic relief, but very he's not very funny, guys, he'd
be he surprised, how and funny is um? And I
would never think of the firefighters the funny one. Yeah,
well I would be given the Rubble of the Joey right, Yeah,

(48:58):
rubble and rubbles a bull dog who has like an
underbyte and it's kind of like goofy and but but yeah,
they give Marshall all the quips. I think because the
group marshals the fire dog. Yeah, I think he's the chandler.
And he's also I think the kid's favorite because he's
a firemanber. Yeah, and he has like a like thing
that comes out of his backpack, that square that's like

(49:20):
a fire hose. So pretty kay you do have that?
Actually it's called a camelback, right, but so. Earlier in
the month, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation posted an online interview
with a criminology professor, Liam Kennedy UH, who had just
published an article all about Paw Patrol, criticizing the show's

(49:40):
problematic neoliberal messaging. Basically, his argument is that the show
implies that business is a reasonable alternative to government. The
mayor is useless. I mean, like most of the problems
come from the mayor just not being able to do
anything right there constantly, just like you know, rescuing her

(50:02):
from a corner she got stuck in because she didn't
turn around or something. Um, they are, yeah, and they're
essentially So his argument is that they're essentially a private corporation.
That the that's the thing. You never see them paid.
So it's a pretty weak argument because it's not like
they may be volunteers right way, they're paramilitary, right, that's right, Yeah,

(50:26):
that's right. And but you know, it's not like you
see other like government provided services. They're like hey, regular
municipal fire department. Blew it again, fire department. It's just basically,
Paw Patrol is the only entity in thunder Bay that
is solving problems for the community. So where's the GAT patrol?

(50:50):
The what the GAT patrol? The GAT patrol? That isn't
that something in nine problems that they don't understand? Oh
yeah patrol that is. But I like it. That is good.
There are cats and they're all evil, so I'd say
that is the more uh, I mean problematic messaging all
the cats are bad. I mean, I think it's just
I mean, he's just he means he has shooters, right,

(51:13):
any shooters patrol? That means I got it. They're ready,
They're ready. Yeah. So I am on the side of
the Canadian criminologist here. I haven't seen PAP patrol and
I assume he hasn't either. But I'm gonna say, in
my neighborhood, Uh, this thing happened where these guys started

(51:34):
coming from this company called a CS They okay, so
they came like door to door as so it's a
paramilitary Oh isn't that like want to be cop? Guys
in like chargers. It's like in gross point blank where
the guy is like all over Hollywood, aren't they? Yeah,
that's where I live. So they come to her to
door and my wife keeps mentioning, like our neighbors are

(51:55):
doing it. It's not that expensive and if enough of
us do it, they'll be twenty four hours or balance.
And these guys in cars, I'm like, who are these
guys in cars? They have gotten She's like, they do
have guns. They seem a little young for retiring cops.
They have guns. I'm like, they have guns, like every
in our neighborhood is against guns. When we're gonna hire
people with guns who aren't even cops to like, and

(52:16):
she's like, they're really good at call of duty. And
she's like, well, there's just been more crime, like there
is no crime in our neighborhood. And so sure enough,
one day I come home and there's a guy in
a in a uniform at our table. There's there's forms
being signed, and now I'm a member of the Days.
Yes thing, so I'm I'm hiring my own Paw Patrol.
And then not long after we've hired Paw Patrol, there's

(52:38):
some flashlights on our deck and like two am, and
my wife wakes me up and she's like, what's that
And I'm like, it's just a helicopter lights, which it
was obviously not true, and so I go to the
deck and the flash slash lights disappear, and she's like,
and I have like a choice where I could either

(52:59):
go out side or I could call ACS. Definitely called
a c S. So um, the next thing I know,
the cops come through. This is my book. Actually, the
cops come to my door and I look out my
window and they seem like laughing. So I opened the
door and they're now they're dead serious and annoyed, and
they're like, your next door neighbor has a different paramilitary
paw patrol service, and they were hot and they came

(53:22):
by to he's on vacations. They were checking his yard
flashlights which triggered your paramilitary paw patrol and they could
have shot at each other. We could have all we
could have all died and our houses would have been
left to like Bernie to give um. So so I'm against.
I think the paw patrol is nothing but trouble. Yeah,
I don't know why it's legal cops. Yeah, well that's

(53:47):
where're headed. Baby. You know, hey, why don't we take
that off your hand? City? It's sound, it's it's South Africa.
It's crazy. Yeah. And I do think that generally, you know,
it's an impressionable audience. I don't think they're fully grasping
the messaging here, but you know, one day it could
it could trickle down into uh, into their thinking on

(54:09):
other things. And I didn't mention I'm sorry that the
people s s are they're all dogs are all dogs dogs,
which is yeah, and a and a twelve year old Yeah,
he's the manager. Yeah, he runs a tight chip um. Yeah.
It's so anyways, this is causing like Fox News to

(54:30):
be like, oh they're what, we can't have children's cartoons anymore,
and they're really mad and they're claiming it's a CBC
like report when it's actually the CBC interviewing a guy
who said a thing being totally to Liam Kennedy. I'm sorry,
uh so yeah, it's it's becoming uh sort of a

(54:54):
thing just over some pause. Man, Yeah you know what
I mean, not to be a conspiracy theorist, but is
he a Kennedy could be? Yeah, you never know. I
thought thought I looked into that and fucking mate. Well, Joel,
it's been a pleasure having you. Man, how do you
guys do this every day? Coffee? Cold brew? Got it?
Where can people find you? Follow here? Apparently? Yeah? There

(55:17):
you go. You're on social media. You're on Twitter. People
can follow you there. You're a great follow. Uh. You
also are an author and you have a book that
people should go by by a couple Yeah, yeah, I'd
highly recommend it. Doesn't it doesn't work that well until
you get a couple of them. Yeah, I gotta read

(55:38):
to it the yeah, is there a tweet or some
other work of social media that you've been enjoying I did.
I liked something. I thought it was really smart that
Virginia Heffernan tweeted, and I wrote it down for you guys.
Virtue signaling is standard snoozy hypocrisy, but vice signaling Trump's

(55:59):
hideous shakedown of Ukraine in New York, bar fixing, stones
Case and all the running with the Devil is white
collar Ozzy Osbourne. The bar fix has got to be
the DC equivalent of fighting off the head of a bat.
I love the idea of vice signaling, I think is
a sh yeah let him know. Um Miles, where can

(56:21):
people find you? Twitter? Instagram, at Miles of Gray And
on my other podcast for twenty Day Fiance discussing the
Seminal TV show ninety Day Fiance with Sophie Alexandra. A
tweet I like is from at major trans celeb It says,
I don't need a kombucha company to have an origin story.
Just I feel like any time you lift the label

(56:44):
of anything with kombucha on it, it starts off with
some whimsical thing about like it all started the garage
or Where does the kombucha company start? All depends which
company you're looking at. Man, just on the floor. They
just don't come from all the all the run off
tweet I've been enjoying at Drill tweeted if a four

(57:04):
year old child tried to accidentally shoot me, I would
simply disarm it by using a complete arm latch into
tactical body roll um and then yeah, that's it. You
can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You
can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. Were at
the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook fan
page and a website, Daily zeitgeist dot com, where we

(57:26):
post our episodes and our footnote. We link off to
the information that we talked about in today's episode, as
well as the song we ride out on Miles. What
are we riding out on today? This is from producer
Danny le Flair. We had one of the tracks maybe
two weeks ago, but this is another one called Again.
If you like the sample based hip hop instrumentals, you know,

(57:48):
freestyle out of this one in your car and free
your kids out. Let them know. Yeah Dad used to
be in a rap group. Okay, Dad used to be
in a really sick rap We all used to be
in rap groups. Maybe that's our thing. Are lance Armstrong
for our generation when we revert to something to feel
magical again? I'm like my dad's it back in his
wrapper phase. Yeah, we were trying to talk, trying to

(58:09):
figure out what like the way that uh you know
people who are of a certain age now dressing all
like Lance Armstrong gear and go biking with their friends.
Uh do you not know? Have you like middle aged bikers?
Have you seen this is forty the Yes, No, I'm
in that Paul Red demo and this is you don't
mean literally Lance Armstrong out, but you mean cycling gear

(58:30):
just like way professional. Like you're like, you're sir, you're
not even fit enough to I've been to the Lance
Armstrong bike cycling store in Austin where you can get
thee yeah Mellow Johnny's. Yeah, as as in Mayo Jean,
but I didn't buy um. Yeah, we were trying to
figure out what what the next thing for millennials, the millennial. Yeah,

(58:56):
like when you're like trying to recapture the crisis out there,
it's like, oh boy, it's like there's a pack of
people in in the midst of a crisis. Wait, did
you come up with something from millennials? We could just
kind of rack our brain. I felt like I had
thought of something a long time ago, but I know
we all have. We're all going to have that thing. Yea, Well,
it's we're thinking like Kanye outfits like Kanye clothing like

(59:19):
your yeasies or right, just like oversized, oversized. Everything has
to be a little expensive. And the good thing about
that this is forty cyclinging. Is it when you hit
the age that I am, you do have this crisis
of body? Yeah? Yeah, and the cycling thing is such
a great way with millennials like fuck fun trying to exercise,

(59:39):
Just wear baggy or such. Right, it's probably some kind
of a yeah all right, Well we're gonna write out
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