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September 15, 2025 47 mins

In this edition of Miles Of Gray Day, Jack and Miles discuss their respective weekends, the capture of Charlie Kirk's shooter, Trump's droopy 9/11 face, the Emmy Awards and much more!

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Is the Pope a fan of the clips?

Speaker 2 (00:08):
This is just this is my favorite thing about the
papacy is anytime there's just this little bit of vanity
that like peeks through, like the last Pope, the quote
unquote cool Pope, like really had a guard up on
any of this ships squeaking through. But like I remember
growing up with like Pope John Paul the Second with
that hat that was made him six foot five. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(00:33):
and he listed that at as his height officially tail
of the tape.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
No, I refuse to believe the Pope was a fan
of the artists because fucking Jelly Role performed too.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Nah Jelly Roll. He's this fucking dude who was like.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
And then and then it was like Morton, no you
fuckings yeah no you actual music history lover. Just fucking
another one of these dudes is arts off being like, yeah,
I'm a rapper, and he's like, nah, I was never
a rapper.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Actually, I think rap sucks. I'm into country music. I'm
a country guy.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Now it sounds like one of those morbidly obese rappers.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
I keep saying. I mean, he ain't slim, I mean,
it's it's not a clever name.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Okay, but I do like anything where the Vatican is
just unabashedly being vain.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
I'm kind of here for it. I think it's funny.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
I mean, the Sistine Chapel is pretty funny. That is
the tackiest room on earth.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, right, beautiful, it's beautiful. That's uh what we're gonna
do in the Oval Office.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
If I Repope, I would paint over that ship.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
Put up my portis poster, all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to this week trend edition
of Guys, Yeah, Construction of My Heart Radio. This is
the episode we're record Monday morning. Tell you what was
happening over the weekend. What's happening this Monday morning? In
addition to the giant concert that the Pope through for
his own birthday party. You think so we were referring

(02:19):
to earlier.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
It's just it's hard for me to square that he's
re up gang and he likes jelly Roll. It just
feel like antithetical hip hop tastes. But hey, you know,
I don't know, you know, the Pope maybe may contain multitudes,
or he had nothing to do with the lineup at all.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
He's got to contain the entire Catholic community, that's true. Yeah,
but big concert at the Vatican over the weekend. Maybe
maybe this is this is a world sign of things
to come. Concert over the weekend and a big concert
with the Vatican. My name is Jack O'Brian. That over
there is mister Miles.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Hey, whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa?

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Hey Hey hey hey hey hey. Has everybody doing? Everybody
doing all right? How you doing? Just hanging with the
Pope recently it was really cool.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
I mean very close birthdays. I will say happy birthday
to you, miss gray On thank you. Monday September fifteenth, Yes, yes,
when's the Pope's birthday? Was the pope's birthday also this
weekend the fourteenth, Oh, Mymber fourteenth, So he is Leo
the fourteenth. So I'm getting a like vibe from him

(03:27):
that like we're gonna see start seeing the big Pope
had again because okay, he called himself Leo the fourteenth
his birthday September fourteenth, so that's already a little bit
like fourteenth is my number, is kind of my thing
type thing. And then he had this big concert that
just happened to be I think the day before his birthday.

(03:48):
His what would this be forty five plus twenty five
is seventy his seventieth birthday, so flexing on him. Yeah,
I still have heard him talk since he became pope,
which I've heard.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Him speak it talent. He was speaking Italian.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, he just changed that up, Like once he became pope.
He went from being like, hey, yeah, you're doing, how
you doing to being like hey, yes, he just like
kind of knows the role, knows what people expect.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
I mean, it would be jarring, but I think every
time we've heard him speak, he just I think what
he does is he puts that little accent on it
as if he's not American, and he's like.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
And to the people of the world, hold on, bro,
which you kind of have to do. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Anyways, Uh, this is where we're going to tell you
a little bit more about what's going on in the news. First,
we tell you guys a little bit about us by
telling you stuff that we think is underrated overrated? Miles,
what is something you think is underrated? Underrated?

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Stairs?

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Just going up and down them as okay, as a
means of exercise.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
No, it's kind of an old invention. So what what
why just with a new twist. Man, if I may
say so myself.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Stairs they're all around us, stairs abound and most of
the cathedrals everywhere for those with eyes to see them.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
No, it's just like I I hate jogging. I hate
like like traditional like when people are like I go
for runs and stuff like. I could only kind of
do that in the beginning of lockdowns because I was like, well,
I'm outside and I'll run from my own terrorized mind.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
But recently, since I've moved, I live near like this
massive public staircase, and I like, I just take it
all the time, and it's fucking it's a lot like
by the halfway through, my watch is like, hey you okay,
and I'm like, I'm just going upstairs.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Through the stairs.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Is this I'm picturing like one of those movies where
they're like going up to seek wisdom from exactly as
two yeah, exactly, just like exactly the staircase on the
side of the skeletons strewn.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
About on either side. It's really fucking grim up there, man.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
But I do it every day.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, But it's like interesting to see because I think
just for me in the beginning, I was like this
is fucked up, man, Like, how the fuck cald anyone
do this? But with enough reps my butt tight, Okay,
my thighs even stronger than legally allowed right now because
of the amount of reps I'm getting on it. And anyway,
I was just like realizing too, it's like this very

(06:21):
easy thing to do, but it takes a lot of
like effort and you have to use your legs a
lot to do it. And I've just been I've just
become an appreciator of it because also it's it's allowed
me to do something very healthy like every day, which
when you're podcasting, you kind of need these things to
fight against the sedentary demons. And then I was just
looking the BBC had an article about all the fucking

(06:44):
benefits of just the stairwalking. Stairwalking and it's not that
it's necessarily a StairMaster, only a stair you know, like
it's not necessarily it's limited exclusively to going upstairs, because
you can get any kind of like cardio cardiovascular movement.
But it's like the fact that it's because you're like
going upstairs, use your abs, use your thighs, you use everything,

(07:05):
and stairs wrong at all a Swedish person, not even
a doctor, a Swedish person just said it's good for
the brain.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
So I'm gonna take that. I'm gonna take that.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Actually know this is a medical researcher who also said, yes,
it could, it can help. It has benefits for the
brain and everything generally, just exercise does. So whatever you
do all that to say, stairs simple, beautiful.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
And my butt has never been tighter, and it's true.
I can confirm. Yeah, no, I actually can't confirm that.
But I Miles wouldn't say his butt was super tight.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
If it was. If it wasn't, I wouldn't lie.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
I can't confirm that because when I see you next time,
I'm gonna be like, throw a beer bottle at it.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
I always and you know I always do.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
My butt absorbs it. See what I can bounce off
that thing? It won't even bounce, probably will shatter on
impact like fucking concrete.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
All right, underrated, My underrated is my brain's a little
poisoned this Monday morning just by the Charlie Kirk story.
So apologies, but that is what's going on with me.
The so mynderat is the number of shitty people in
all generations just based on did you see the Elder
TikTok guy on social media who like went live from

(08:21):
the moments after Charlie Kirk had been murdered. He's like
in the crowd near the stage and goes live and
it is just like hitting his angles, like putting his
hat backwards, being like, yo, it's me Elder TikTok. Just
he's like a Utah influencer, like Mormon influencer, but he's

(08:42):
like smiling and giving the peace sign, talking about like
you know, shouting out, like telling people to follow his
socials while being like shots fired, shots fired, this is real,
but like also like doing peace signs and shit. And
then he like later went on socially. Everyone was like
horrified and like dude, what are you doing? Anyone on
social media to apologize, but even his apology was about

(09:04):
he was like, I just I want to be a
better content creator for you guys, like not a reckoning
with the loss of humanity that went into such a
weird decision to love after seeing someone like murdered in
front of you, but just being.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Hey, I could have done the content could have been
more fun, I could have been.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
More on point.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
The tone that I chose could have been a little
bit more poignant.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
That to me is like the scarier part of all this,
too is everyone's response to it is like not even
like they saw a guy murdered, the guy's like damn,
I could have that live, could have been better. Yeah,
Like even the idea that it's like now's the time
to go live, to get some to get some clout,
it's just so whoo.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
I do just want to like, I think a lot
of people are like and that's this generation, you know, Oh,
this generation didn't have the best week. I'll say I'm
pretty confident though that the main thing that's changed is
not the shittiness of the quality of people, but rather
that the shittiest people all have like cameras pointed at

(10:10):
their faces and go viral for it all the time.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Like, I've met so many people in older generations who
get excited when bad stuff happens because it's like something
they just like you can like see like there's like
a welling of like excitement, and they just have sociopathy
and so they don't really like feel the pain of others,
so it's just like kind of a charge for them,

(10:34):
right right, So I don't think that started here. I
just think that now we're inside a machine that brings
it directly to us in a way that's disturbing. But
I think the machine is broken, and you know, and the.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Machine's breaking our machine in our brain.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, and it's it is definitely breaking us and it's bad,
but yeah, it's I don't I don't think there's something
new about this generation. I just think that there is
something about humans and this particular media machine that is
going to continue to perpetuate a version of humanity that

(11:12):
is bad.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Looks like shit, Miles, Yeah, I don't know. It could
be cool. We might have robot arms or something.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
That's what we're all waiting for, Miles, with something you
think is overrated.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
It's gonna sound like such a stupid, like a dickhead
thing to say on my birthday, but birthdays and not
on like some sad.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Boy shit, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
But just like on that Seinfeld episode where it's like
another day closer.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
To death, not even it's just more like the And
I feel like I probably say this all the time,
maybe last year even or the year before or every year,
who knows, But like since I was like twenty three
or so, it stopped feeling like a thing, and I
look at my phone and I go September fifteenth, Yeah,
that's my birthday. And then there's not much else happening

(12:01):
in my brain aside from that, Like I'm like, I
don't have this like little kid feeling anymore, like it's
gonna be my day.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
It's my day, it's special.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
I think this is probably mostly to do with just
life as you get older and just my personality because
generally I'm not a birthday type of guy.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Like every year I have the hardest time coming.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Up with like what I should do to celebrate or
like what I even like want.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
I'm just like, don't really think in those terms.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
And I think maybe it's more like the cultural expectation
around a birthday.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Like I just I think I A, I don't like
the attention.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Believe it or not, Like I don't like everything being
like and what's going on with you today?

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Tell us tell us tell us. I'm don't really like that.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
And also I think it's also I just as I
get older and like I really get a hold of
like my mental health and things like that, I really
have to have like these gratitude practices to really ground
myself into knowing like all the many things that I
have to feel like positive about my life and I'm
incredibly fortunate to have, like my health and family and

(13:08):
being employed, that I just I truly like, I don't
feel like lack in any in any way that like
it just feels like a weird exercise to be like,
but what am I missing that I need all that
to say, yeah, I'm doing great? And so I don't
like birthdays, you know what I mean? I wish, I

(13:28):
wish I had something, but I don't know.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
I just don't. I think I don't know.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
I think it's also like as I get older, too,
the passage of time feels less and less like what
I thought it would be like as a kid, where
I'm like, damn, what's like I remember being in my
mid twenties be like, dude, what are you going to
be like when you're fucking forty one?

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Fool? Like, are you serious?

Speaker 2 (13:46):
I definitely thought like there was no point in not
smoking or like doing things that are bad for me,
because like that that time is like imaginary.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
How could that possibly happen?

Speaker 5 (13:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (14:00):
That possibly be like yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
And now I'm kind of like now that I'm in
and I'm like, okay, well like now, I don't know,
there just maybe feels these years feel more meaningful, but
like mentally, unfortunately, I still feel like I'm twenty five.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah, and you're twenty eight, which is like that that's
way different than twenty five. Thank you, thank you so
thank you so much. That is the thing.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Like I hear a lot of similar you know, people
will being like, god, I feel so old who are
like in their late twenties early thirties always.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Just I'm like, bro, you don't even have a I
remember saying shit like that too, and it would be
like because the path I'm like, damn, Like thirty six
Chambers came out this many years ago. I remember like
in the beginning of the show, we were doing shit
like they were like yo, yeah yeah. But like in
terms of like physically, like I said, I'm on the stairs, bro,
my bud is better than it was at twenty three.

(14:50):
You know, Okay, I'm blazing up these staircases. I just
have to stretch more because I realized stretching out your
calves it really helps out with the pain. Okay, And
these are the wisdom nuggets you get.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
At forty one.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
I'm so inflexible. I've just gotten more and more inflexible
as I got older. You have just washed my legs
locked out.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Now.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
I know everyone thinks you're goose stepping or some kind
of weird fascist military walk.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, it's kind of like I'm saying, it's the hamstrings.
Actually they're locking up. They're locking up.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Oh boy, alright, alright, just everybody clear out, all right,
my overrated and again, happy birthday, Jesus.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
I hope you have a great one.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Oh yeah, I'm gonna you deserve to cook people who
deserve it most, who are like what why do I
even need a breadure?

Speaker 1 (15:45):
But like I'm so jealous of like Lacey, right, Like
Lacey has the fourth of ju Lacey every year, yes,
and like it's an event. It's dope, Like everyone comes
together to celebrate and she's like a great person, but
like she's wired too, like her personality. Really it's that
kind of thing. And I'm always jealous of people who
are like damn, that's so sick. Like that was a
great birthday, Like you you threw a really great party

(16:08):
for people to come to and like got everyone together
like amazing.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
There was a most vent and the event at the
party was Lacey arriving to their own party down the staircase.
So dope, Everyone's like, for me, I'd be so nervous
and you're gonna fuck up coming down the staircase with
my hand.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Hand Just go to CRLs, Junior. Be safe, Be safe,
all right.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
My overrated is also related to the shooting. Just some
a myth that I saw popping up right afterwards, which
is how skilled you have to be to like shoot
someone with a gun is a thing that I hear
every time something like this happens that I saw like
with historically. Jason Pargan, one of the smartest people I

(16:54):
know who like kind of grew up in mainstream American
gun culture, was pointing this out over the weekend. Like
he he grew up around like the magazines with like
ads for AR fifteen's and shit like that that like
you know, and those ads are like sell you fantasies
about like somebody coming to your house and you like
getting to shoot them essentially. But he pointed out that,

(17:16):
like it's a common myth that crops up after a
highly publicized shooting that you like have to be an
expert marksman to like murder someone from a distance, Like
I even you know, people people were like that was
clearly a trained assassin. After the Charlie Kirk shooting, and
that's based on what movies. Yeah, movies. I saw people

(17:37):
being like they sent to Jackal to kill Charlie Kirk.
And this was actually a thing that came up after
the JFK assassination where people the one of the reasons
that everyone was like it had to have been multiple shooters.
They thought it would be too difficult for somebody to
shoot him at that distance with the rifle. And like
then a guy who owned a gun shop just like

(17:59):
did it on CBS News, like easily, and what do
you mean.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
They'd like a motorcade and he was like, here, this
is how you do it. Yeah, I forget how they recreated.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
It was like in the it was year like in
the years after the assassination, We're just like, no, this
is pretty easy. I'm not like an expert marksman here,
I can do it for you. They're done. But I
feel like it's a thing we want to believe because
it probably makes us feel safer in a country that's
full of guns. Like, if guns are these highly specialized
weapons that only a like trained master can use at

(18:31):
a distance to harm someone, we're all a little safer.
And the truth is, like they are very simple devices
that people anyone who like has access to them and
practices for a little while, can use with accuracy at
like very scary distances. And like we've seen this over
and over again, like Kirk's killer. You know, the main

(18:54):
suspect is just a twenty two year old who was
like kind of into guns in the way that a
lot of American people are. The guy who almost killed
Trump was known for being like the worst shot in
his high school gun club. Like they made fun of
him for sucking at shooting things, and like I remember

(19:16):
at that time people were like, must have been a
trained marksman to come that close. And yeah, I just
think gun culture wants to first of all, like help
their members feel cool and important, like they haven't have
earned something by being able to shoot stuff. And it
also just like makes the guns seem less dangerous than

(19:37):
they are, oh in fact.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
In the hands of a skilled marksman.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Then it comes in into like feeds into that whole
like tough guy trained gun culture shit and They are
literally like point and click things. If you have enough time,
you can point the gun at the thing you want
to shoot and shoot that thing, and they should shoot.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Somewhat like regularly and school in college, and I was
I remember the first time like shooting like an ar
I was surprised at how accurate this thing was already,
Like I was hitting like a plinker down range like
one hundred yards with like iron sights, and I was
like huh. And then you're like, oh, right, these are

(20:18):
these are made to be very operator friendly to do,
to make bullet go where you want it to go.
But like, yeah, I definitely had that like sort of realization,
was like, oh this because I had the very much
like media unformed version of what I thought it was
to shoot guns. And then you're like, oh, these are

(20:39):
scarily accurate. But but I don't have guns anymore. I
actually never did. I was always do so many friends, dude,
so many friends parents, like just the group like generation
of people would have just so many guns. Like it's funny,
Like I would talk to some of my friends, I'm like,

(21:00):
how many guns did your like parents actually have their
like so many?

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Like I made them get rid of it.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Like once I started having kids, because like I don't
I was like, this is this is obscene and it's
like but he's like, but my grandpa was a cop
in the fifties, so this is just kind of like what.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
People did all the time is have a fucking stockpile
of weapons, and then as they get older, like that's
that is scary too, Like the conversation.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
That's a conversation that uh, you know people I know
have been having with like a relative who's like going
through a tough time. It's like you have to go
get the gun.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Oh yeah, or want you to do.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Just older people too, Like I remember when my when
my grandparents were selling their house, like yeah, and they
were moving out of like the house that like I
you know, I always knew to be my grandparents' house.
Like as we were cleaning up, like we were just
finding gun like loose guns. Yeah, Like my grandma was like, oh,
that was my old twenty two.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
I used to keep that in my pocket book. I'm like,
what the fuck are you? This shit is loose.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, but like guy like that, nobody had any idea
that they had guns.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, Anyways, this is the thing that I don't know,
I continue to be struck by that. Everybody just kind
of we move past it and onto the thing like
trying to you know, someone gets shot by someone else
for no good reason, and it's just you know, parsing
the reasons instead of looking at the thing that made

(22:19):
it possible, which they could have done that shit whenever
they wanted for whatever.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Reason there and how so far past that, Like usually
this people would be there would be some kind of
gun control anything. Yeah, but now because the media is
completely controlled by like like or at least the lens
of the media is now perfectly attuned with the conservatives,
it's like, who was this guy and how and how
trans could he be?

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Or leftist? And you're like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, yeah, all right, let's take a quick break.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
We'll be right back. And we're back.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
We're back and so yeah, as we've all heard by
now and mentioned up top, a suspect in the Charlie
Kirk shooting was arrested. Shockingly, a young white guy, twenty
two year old Tyler Robinson.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
He was probably a leftist, right the Democrat came from
a long yeah, it came from a long line of
anarchic leftists.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
My mother was a sentient copy of dos capital.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
I believe I know his entire family are Republicans. They
were all like, we actually haven't, We've never met someone
who's not a Republican. This is this comes as a
real surprise to us that you're telling us that he
was not a Republican. We don't even really know what
that means.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
What was the grandmother's quote.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
The grandmother's quote said, my son, his dad is a
Republican for Trump. Most of my family members are Republicans.
I don't know any single one who's a Democrat. I'm
just so confused. They just confs used at the prospect
that one of them would be a Republican. Y, how
does that happen? Somebody is a Republican.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
Don't don't say that too loud, grandmother. We don't want
the truth to come out, right. That's yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Well, we'll get to like all the all the ways
that people who were critical of Charlie Kirk or you know,
callous in the aftermath of the shooting have been targeted.
It's kind of still early. It's not clear exactly what
people were saying.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
To get fired. We just know that people are being
fired for not having the state approved response.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, not having the state approved responsive mourning for Charlie Kirk,
but yeah, so, Utah Governor Spencer Cox claimed that Robinson
was deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology, even though and I mean,
we know that they jumped to this super fast when
the bullet casings were discovered, even before they had a suspect, Like,

(24:58):
they didn't they didn't catch this guy. His parents saw
the video and it was a sheriff, right, Yeah, it's
unclear if his dad was a shof There's like a
lot of different reports that then like are having to
be taken back, but the one like some people are
saying that they had to like lock him in a
room to keep him. But you know a lot of

(25:19):
people were saying his dad was a sheriff, and then
I saw that being retracted. But anyways, they just saw
his picture and were like that's him and like turned
him in the FBI completely.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Fuck.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
If that hadn't happened, it's unclear what they would have
done because they didn't. They didn't have anything that was
like leading them in this direction. They were looking for
a leftist, right exactly. There were bullet casings discovered at
the scene like loaded into the gun and then the
one that was spent, and they had various references to
memes and yeah, yeah, so I mean it's kind of

(25:58):
hard to tell exactly what the memes are referencing, Like
they're just edge lord memes that are used by a
lot of extremely online people. They're definitely used by Grouper's
and you know a lot of the U Nick Fuentes
supporters use these memes a lot. Fuentes was very critical

(26:21):
of Charlie Kirk as he started to to centrist. Yeah,
and then he immediately you know, assumed the correct position
in the aftermath. But yeah, so, I mean, it could
it could be anything, but they we know what they
wanted it to be. What they what the official response
wanted it to be, is that he was leftist and

(26:42):
a supporter of trans rights or indoctrinated by trans ideology,
because that is that was their initial read on what
was carved to the bullet casings, even though the only
thing that was suggesting trans rights or anything and up
being manufacturer markings on the black.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Oh yeah, because it said like TRN or something.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yes, so that's that they claimed that that was some
sort of trans writes message being sent by the killer
and have had to backtrack, but like not really that
was reported on the front page of the Wall Street Journal.
And since that, since it's like been clear that that

(27:27):
is not what those markings were, they have been like
we just heard an early like that they kind of
correct it or like say how they got it wrong
without being like we're so sorry to Yeah, yeah, we're
so sorry about you know, putting something out there at
a time when people are you know, calling for violence

(27:50):
that targets the most targeted group of people, the most
vulnerable group of people in the United States. There's no
acknowledgment that they fucked up in an unbelievable way that
was incredibly dangerous.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, there's just I mean there's I mean between that,
there's like the Hell Divers like video game code in
there that's like a really like like fascist love that game.
There's a lot of stuff that you're like, Okay, this
overlaps a lot with some of the interests of the
far right, for sure. And then yeah, like he even
went as like a like a Groyper meme for Halloween

(28:28):
like maybe seven years ago, and people are like, Okay,
that who knows what that means it could who knows whatever,
but a lot of it does seem to suggest that
this isn't some person who was door knocking for Bernie
Sanders or something like that, Like they would want you
to believe.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
That he went as Donald Trump with his face painted green,
like very recently for Halloween, like a yeah reference to
like the Trump Pepe shit.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah yeah, yeah, well god h well, they'll they're gonna
do what ever they can to try and contort every
single bit of information that we do have to not
be whatever this is. And now they're like he's not
cooperating with investigators, and like I wonder, I wonder what
that means, right, Like if they're like, you're like, you're
not saying the thing that we want you to say, yeah,

(29:17):
or or maybe he truly is just he might just
be saying anything, because that's kind of maybe this whole
event was meant to, you know, accelerate the degradation and conflict,
and that I don't think I think we.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Know anything about like what was what his motives were.
And I also think that anytime you're really leaning in
and like hoping to have coherent ideology behind anyone who
does something like this, you're you like Luigi Mangioni's manifesto
like doesn't is not like coherent in any way like

(29:50):
this guy's you know, beliefs are probably not going to
be any one specific thing. It's not going to be
a thing that like a political science professor would be
like coherent, well you know, well reasoned. It's probably gonna
be all over the place. That just seems you look
at Lee Harvey Oswald's like you know, politics and like

(30:14):
what he believed, and it was all over the place.
He was like trying to impress Russia possibly, but like
nobody really knows what was going on there, and so
it just becomes this opportunity to like take whatever you
want from it. It seems like, you know, yeah, yeah,
well god, it's it certainly hasn't stopped like the rhetoric

(30:38):
from people like Stephen Miller and Trump who are like,
we're going to dismantle the left and it's ideology of
destruction as a way to kind of you know, gotta
you have to exploit a crisis at every movement.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Exactly. It never waste a crisis.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
That is, you know, the fascist playbook, and I think
they're probably going to use it I think a lot
of people are trying to like find the historic corollary
for what we're seeing here, and like I've heard people
be like this is we're in a civil war, but
like it's unclear what that would even look like because

(31:14):
it's hard to know like who is.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
On what side, you know, like what or like regionally,
like you.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Have people that are on the fringes, and then you
have most people who are in the middle who don't
even know who the present like, who don't even know
what's going on in the country half the time, right right,
So it's yeah, the where people's attention is is definitely
like a huge factor in it, and I think it's
kind of spread all over the place.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, So I don't know, like i've heard it compared
to the troubles in Ireland, where like the outgroup is
like controlled and abused with military police and then they're
like periodic outbursts of like terrorist violence or you know,
terrorist quote unquote violence. But it's really hard to I
think all we know is that the Trump administration would

(32:00):
which was already using state power to violently control whoever
they wanted, is going to use this to do that,
probably more forcefully. I think, yeah, it's just weird because
like Trump doesn't even give a shit, Like he didn't
even go to the vigil, but he went to golf,
he was at the uh, he was at the Yankees

(32:21):
game like the night after it happened, dancing, he seemed
to it almost seemed like he wanted to assure people
everything was okay. But it does just seem like he
didn't give a shit, Like there was one I think
this was a real video. I haven't like found confirmation
because the people who are like laking off to the
clip seemed to mostly be like not fact checked organizations.

(32:45):
But do you see the thing where like somebody was like,
how are you holding up, like in the aftermath of
Charlie Kirk, and he was.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Like very well.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
I think I don't know if he like misheard, but
he was like, very well, you know, we've got the
the I think the Oval Office redesign is going to
be great.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
And just like kind of.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Changing the subject to this cognitive decline. He probably doesn't care,
you know, truly, his his brain is all over the
fucking place.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
I mean, did you see the picture of him at
the nine to eleven memorial with half his face drooping.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah, we should talk about that next, I think. But yeah, okay,
so this is the thing that Brian the editor just
linked off to in the comments. But Spencer hal Kiman
on X tweeted this back and forth. My condolence is
on the loss of your friend, Charlie. How are you
holding up?

Speaker 3 (33:32):
I could go, how are you holding him to?

Speaker 1 (33:38):
I think very good?

Speaker 3 (33:39):
And by the way, right there, you see all the trucks.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
It's like a bad improviser where you you come into
a scene where you have you want to get on
me to say, and someone's like, nice day, isn't it,
and you're like, my leg is a turkey the fuck? Okay,
But yeah, for him, he has to sort of get
everybody to praise whatever he's doing.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
I got all the ball whatever.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah. Yeah, the brag brag, bullshit brag is the only
kind of speed that he knows. There are a lot
of people pointing to his appearance at this nine to
eleven memorial the next day in the morning, where the
right side of his face seemed to be falling off

(34:24):
his head like it seemed to be really drooping down.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
She was out here acting like he was smelling burning hair.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Okay, but it's probably nothing right, just having your face
half your face troop as you look totally out of it, right,
That's what it was also funny, because not funny, just
you saw more people be like, that's why that address
he gave it was ai probably because in his face
they can't cover it up. But they're like, then there
are other people been like, sounds like he might just
be having these.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Like little strokes a lot. H yeah, little minor probably
not an issue at all. I mean, like this guy,
he's I don't know.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
I'm not a fucking doctor, but even but I'm gonna
say this, that seems like something is happening neurologically. That's
just my observation. Because I would have to effort to
make half my face troop. I'd be like, hey, you
want to see a funny bit. Yeah, this is me
with my half my face drooping. But you know that

(35:23):
that's fine because we have.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
To You can do can do a face, and I'm
pretty impressive. I tried to do it, and I can't
really do it. I can't really get that look.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
I spent a lot of time as an only child
looking in the mirror asking why. But then also I
learned how to get really good independent control everybody half
my face. But I mean like it goes along with
just a shit he says in public right like he's
he's like he'll answer a question, like he misses the
context of a question, just says whatever he wants to.
And then on Sunday he was asked about the fucking

(35:56):
illegal war crime murder of the Venezuelans on the quote
U boat. That was like, did a U turn? He's like, no,
they were. They were trying to kill America with their drugs.
It was a fucking mass murder. I don't know because
they're trying to ramp up some kind of larger conflict
with Venezuela. But Trump was asked Sunday about it, and
this is his answer. They said, the president of Venezuela

(36:16):
called the strike on the boat illegal. This is Trump's
He gives the what about ism of the week because
there's so many happening all the time, But here's Trump's
answer to that was an illegal That was an illegal killing,
extra legal killing of people.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
You're going with us?

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Huh?

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Are you going with us?

Speaker 4 (36:31):
Maggie?

Speaker 5 (36:32):
Not with you?

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Good? Wow? The tent Benila pulled the strike on the
boat illegal and concerned that the dru might escalate something.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
You know, what's illegal, and the drugs that are on
the boat and the drugs that are being sent into
our country, and the fact that three.

Speaker 5 (36:47):
Hundred million people died last year from drugs.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
That's what's illegal.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Three hundred million people.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Hold on, let me just just quickly tubbs threty million
people in the United States. Okay, so that's a lot
of people.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Three hundred million last year. That's there are how many
people are in the United States.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Three thirty three forty depending on what web browser you
use and what AI they're using the combstats, right, so
there's only forty million of us here. Seems high. Seems high?
Seems high. Also, can someone ask a follow up right there?

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Do you think he's a liar? Would you call him
a liar? Seemed to be the follow up. So what
you're saying is he's a he's a fucking liar, right, Like,
how do we how do we turn this into good?

Speaker 1 (37:41):
You know what's illegal? Drugs are legal, and then you
die and that's all it. That's me okay.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Eighty thousand appears to be the actual number of overdose
deaths in the United States? That actually is too many.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
And remember fifteen hundred percent off your prescription drug, right,
fifteen hundred.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Like, at a point you got to just keep hammering away.
It's on you. Hey, was the President miss speaking again?
Or is something wrong with him? Right?

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Just say that every time they're like, don't even ask
about it. Say the President said three hundred million people
died of drug over there. That's that can't that's mathematically impossible.
So was he misspeaking or is he just is something
wrong with him because he keeps doing this a lot?
Is he not no math?

Speaker 3 (38:25):
He doesn't care? Or his brain broke? It broke, it broke.
Let's take a quick break and we'll be back. And
we're back.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
The Emmys happened last night, and the big winners were
the Pit for Best Drama, the Studio for Best Comedy.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Oh really, uh huh damn didn't even I'm learning on
this show. Shit, I only knew the hand ironbinder bit
that I didn't know anyone who won, because all I
saw were the handah einmbinder clips.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yes, so handa Irombinder won Best Supporting for Hacks and
she got to say free Palestine and fuck Ice during
her speech.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Jack, come on, say the whole thing.

Speaker 5 (39:18):
Go gobirds free, free Palestine, which the birds in question,
not just my overall enthusiasm for the species, but she's
an Eagles fan.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
What happened with them? Did something happen in their game yesterday?

Speaker 2 (39:38):
They just beat They had a Super Bowl rematch with
the Chiefs and they beat them again, not quite as
bad as last.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
I saw that in people talking about the tush push
a ton on the internet.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah, I don't. I actually did watch the game. I
know that the toush push. They tried, like other coaches
tried to outlaw the toush push.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Over the off season and did not get it done.
So the is done with the push. Who's damn?

Speaker 2 (40:08):
I mean, once you lose Dean Blandino, you're not a
fucked go gate. It is for people who don't know
it is a play that is so powerful that nobody
can stop it. It just goes for four yards every time.
It's everybody lines up and then they just like push

(40:29):
on their quarterback's ass to like push it forward, and
they push the whole pile forward. And it's just weird
because the debate over it seems to be should it
be illegal or not, because it's this massive advantage they
have and nobody is just like, why isn't anyone else
doing it? Just do it, just everybody. Just if it's

(40:53):
so powerful that you need to make it illegal, just
do the fucking toush push h. Maybe on account of
like them being uncomfortable with pushing on asses. Nah, no way,
Phill metroxual team. Yeah, I know that's the whole The
is just just constantly patting each other and slapping each
other on the ice.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
Yeah, the quarterbacks the dirtiest one, dude, he gets back there.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Man.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
Oh yeah, I bring my own center to every team
I go to. So anyway, godbirds, fuck ice free Palestine,
all right.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Just real quick on the Palestine side of things. Javier
Bardam was also at the Emmys and out on the
red carpet, you know, voices support for a boycott of
any company that is supporting the Israeli government's genocide campaign
in Gaza. And yeah, so it seems to be I

(41:52):
don't know, like people when she said that, there was
a loud cheer in the audience. So, I don't know,
this is a change from where things started in this movement.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Because now there's like an artist's there's like a new
list of people. I feel like I got to compare
the lists of people who are now like signing on to,
like let's knock it off in Gaza list.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Hell, hey, let's that off. Yah the genocide. Yeah yeah,
let's listen to that's a powerful term. Caul, we pump
the brune the on the genocide.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Uh yeah yeah, well if you say that, I have to.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Get a little break pumpage. Yeah, this is getting less
and less meaningful. On this bad boy who just this,
you know, this whole thing man, that bad boy.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
The deal here, use a proper noun, the deal, the
deal in you know. Okay, you covered your whatever. Okay, well,
thanks so much. Yeah, thanks for your support.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
But she was asked about it later, and you know,
said that she feels, as they do, wish person, that
it is her obligation to you know, protect her people
and her belief system and her like, you know, their
long cultural heritage from what is happening and like, you know,

(43:17):
separate all the great things that come with the Jewish
faith and culture from what what is being done in
their name, which is a genocide by the Israeli government.
So I thought that was pretty cool. Yeah, So as
that was happening, as she said that, there was a

(43:37):
counter on the screen counting backwards, and if you hadn't
been watching the whole show, you're probably me clear what
that was. I said, is she losing?

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Is she lose? About to lose one hundred thousand dollars?
She speaks?

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Was not clear docking her. So basically the show opened
with Bergatzi was the host. This was kind of his joke,
like he didn't really do a monologue. Apparently he just
said that he would. He was going to donate one
hundred thousand dollars to the Boys and Girls Clubs of America,
but to keep the show tight, if speeches went over

(44:14):
forty five seconds, money would start being removed from that donation,
so speeches that when oh, anybody who went over, instead
of being played off, it would just be a counter.
It would fling over the show that they were stealing
money from literal children. And then the broadcast put up
a literal counter on the screen during speeches showing the

(44:35):
money going down, which might have been like, I don't know,
it might have been a funny, like one off thing,
but it was it actually for every speech, what the
fuck they kept it going.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
You gotta let the bit rest bargatzi come on, maybe
you can't do that. And also like it's you're not
you haven't identified a thing that annoys people to the
point that it may sense right, you know what I mean.
People aren't always like I get that there is a thing,
there is the trope of long acceptable speech, but it's
never to the point where you're like, yeah, you know what,

(45:12):
we have to put the well being of children at risk.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Those got to be the.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Stake and all to get behind this. Yeah, it just
fucking weird. Like again, like to your point, it's fine
a couple of times, but if it's every it was
every single one.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Yeah, they did it every time.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Fuck, you've completely changed the entire tone of the award show.
Now it's an award show where one hundred thousand dollars is.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Being held hostage.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
It would have been great, is if a bunch of
people said, fuck, kill the counter bro, I'm gonna give
two hundred watch this and I'm gonna go for a
minute and a half and everybody was stunting with their donations. Okay,
maybe you have something there, but the fact that it
was like this one hundred thousand dollars donation. So that's
why she said, I'll make up the difference.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Okay, that is why, all right, Hannah.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
And he ultimately was like, ah, psych, we're going to
give the full amount.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yeah, we know you're not a sociopath, but it makes
you kind of look like one.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Those are some of the things that are trending on
this Monday, September fifteenth.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Miles of Gray day.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Hey, shout out, hey, shot up my boy, Prince Harry,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah, mainly we just want to shout out Prince Harry
and like we're all thinking of him and sex.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Hey man, why dude he chose that name.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
I told him that's a sick ass name. Dude of sex.
Dude whoa wild shit?

Speaker 2 (46:43):
All right, my boy, that's right, all right, back tomorrow
with a whole ass episode of the show. Until then,
be kind to each other, be kind to yourselves, get
your vaccines. Whey you still can't get your flu shots?

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Way you still can. Don't do nothing about white supremacy.
And we will talk to you all tomorrow. Bye bye.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
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Speaker 3 (47:06):
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