No Further Answers Your Honor - Trump, AI Doc Ain’t Good Idea? 09.08.23

In episode 1544, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian, Marcella Arguello, to discuss… Trump Says He Will Take the Stand (He Won’t) Says He Is Protected Under PRA (He Isn’t), AI Doctors Are Already A Thing, Rotten Tomatoes Bribery Scheme Revealed and more!

1. Donald Trump is lying about the Presidential Records Act
2. Trump is liable in the second E. Jean Carroll defamation case, judge rules; January trial will determine damages
3. Trump/Hugh Hewitt Interview (Clip)
4. AI Doctors Are Already A Thing
5. AI has better ‘bedside manner’ than some doctors, study finds
6. Google’s medical AI chatbot is already being tested in hospitals
7. Hospital bosses love AI. Doctors and nurses are worried.
8. Health care start-up says A.I. can diagnose patients better than humans can, doctors call that ‘dubious’
9. Safety of patient-facing digital symptom checkers
10. Gender bias concerns raised over GP app
11. Is Babylon Health the Next 'Theranos'?
12. Why Heart Disease in Women Is So Often Missed or Dismissed
13. Babylon Disrupted the UK’s Health System. Then It Left.
14. A.I. May Someday Work Medical Miracles. For Now, It Helps Do Paperwork.
15. Giving Back 3 Hours a Day to Doctors
16. At Startup That Says Its AI Writes Medical Records, Humans Do a Lot of the Work
17. AI medical record startup riddled with errors uses humans for backup
18. Cigna accused of using an algorithm to reject patients' health insurance claims
19. Rotten Tomatoes Bribery Scheme Revealed
20. Rotten Tomatoes Under Fire After PR Firm's Scheme to Pay Critics for Positive Reviews Uncovered
21. Rotten Tomatoes Quietly Buried Film at Center of Exposé
22. Rotten Tomatoes under fire for timing of ‘Justice League’ review

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three on three,
Episode three of Di's y production of My Heart Radio.
This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
into America's air consciousness. And it is Friday, September eighth,
twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
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Big One, nine to eleven. But until then it's Star
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Day three days of nine to eleven. Yes, happy to
all who observe. My name is Jack O'Brian aka I
am having stomach pain. Dookie flowing like champagne shit all
through this plane.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
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Referencing the man who shit a plane.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
I feel like that's a good'd be like a good
David Bowie, weird Al Yankovic.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Man a plan And.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co
host mister Miles.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
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But let me get to the actual part of the
the chorus here where it goes Miles and the boot
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Shout out to Talmary on the Discord for giving us

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that loser back Italy aka mashup.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Well that third voice that you hear They're coming from poolside,
coming to you from poolside.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Oh yes, is one of our favorite.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Guests, one of your favorite guests, A writer, an actor,
one of the funniest stand up comedians doing it. She
has one of the best comedy specials of the year
called Bitch Grow Up. You can go watch on Max.
You must go watch it on Max immediately.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
We have to say it, you know, we have to
say it. No, you don't have to do the promo.
Let us do the promo for Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
It is the hellarious non union gigs Talented Marcella or.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Gouse me Beyonce, thank you so much, Thank you. Birthday
I am the Maya so much headlining the Hollywood Improv
September fifteenth, La, come check me out.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Oh shit, it's my birthday, is it? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Come ruin it? Come watch me?

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah? Why not? Let me your birthday?

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Birthday girl in the audiences.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Bday, Birthday, my birthday.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
My favorite thing to do. When people went at comedy
shows and they interrupt my side, going it's my birthday.
I'm like, bitches is an Applebee's I don't give a flu.
That is your birthday? To get the last Yeah, I'm like,
I don't care. Oh, bitch, you learn, You're like, bitch.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Oh, I got a candle right here for you. Let
me light it. Oh here it is.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
Listening. Yes, thank you, thank you so much for having
me me Beyonce, I am the Maya.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Did you go to the Beyonce Show?

Speaker 4 (03:18):
I wish I did. My foot injury stopped me from
knowing I could commit to so much walking and standing.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
If I had to guess what happened to your foot,
It's that you broke it off in some full gass,
say some full ass.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
I guess that's what I said. Yeah, I don't know
why I said that, but.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
My guys are coming have a very unique, unique foot injury.
Because I heard it in two spots. He was like,
I have never seen anything like this, because what I
did was I sprained it and then I ignored the
signs that it was actually badly injured, and I injured
it and two other spots as a torn ligament that
is almost fully healed. And then some shit happening on

(04:02):
the bottom. Yeah, it is a disaster and it's been
now almost a year of it. So but I'm getting
I'm healing, I'm getting better. I couldn't go see Beyonce
because I saw her once before and it was a
lot of walking from the car to the stadium, to
your seats, to the bathroom to get a drink, to
my merch, like, it's a lot. On top of she
did three hours and that's what I was informed of

(04:23):
early on, and I was like, yeah, I can't handle
that so too much. I did not. I wish I
could have. But I was also very happy because throughout
all of her shows, especially in LA I got a
lot of messages from people that were like, every time
she talked, I thought of you, every time she opened
her mouth, and I was like, that's how mar Marcella
does that. And it brought me so much, so much joy,
really warmed my spirit that I was with people at

(04:45):
the bed because it was it's such a beautiful like album,
you know, it's so loving and that's what she's all about.
And I love that I was there with everybody, so
it was cool.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Experience and your energy was channeled even there.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yes, so that was cool.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
All right, Well, we're going to get to know you
a little bit better in a moment. First, a couple
of things we're talking about. We're just gonna do a
quick check in on Donald Trump, and we're gonna hear
from him. You know, everybody's talking about him. What's he
have to say about what's going on with him? Because
that's got to be trustworthy, right.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah, it's important to know what he thinks.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Right, right, because it's valid and rational.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, we'll talk about the way that AI could be
used in healthcare, and then how it's actually probably going
to be used and just be bad. Be bad, It's
going to be bad. We'll talk about rotten tomatoes being
full of shit, like more than we even thought, I guess, because.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
It's easy to rig the system they rigged. Yeah, you
can pay for reviews.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
You can just like hire some low level reviewers to
boost your score up. So all of that plenty more.
But first, Marcela, we do like to ask our guest,
what is something from your search history?

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Oh my god, my search history right now is filled
with questions about Tears of the Kingdom. So I'm playing
the new Zelda game, and every time I try to
work on something, some side quester or some shrine, and
I can't figure it out. I just Google because I
could give a fuck, you know, I don't care. And
the last one was really funny because there's a character,

(06:21):
there's a monster character who's obsessed with monsters. Their name
is Kilton, and he's asking you to take pictures of
other monsters so he can create he can get like
statues of these monsters made on too his property. And
as I'm doing them, you know, you get like good rewards.
As I'm doing them, I'm like, wait a minute, are
all these monsters would come to life? And I'm gonna

(06:41):
have to kill them? And like this is actually creating
a problem and I probably shouldn't be doing this. So
the last Google search was me trying to figure out
if that's what happens, because I was like, I don't
want to finish this quest if I am just gonna
create more problems for myself. And I'm happy to say
that is not the case. Oh I've been I saw
I was already on the last one, but the last

(07:01):
one was like a three headed monster and I was like,
this is if he has to come to life. I'm
going to like lose so many materials.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I like, how you a hold up? Now? Do I
really help this motherfucker out just so I could fight
a fucking three headed Nah? Yeah, I like that when
you have those game instincts where you're like, wait a tick, yes,
am I the architect of my own fucking downfall right now? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
So it was really funny because I was like, what
is the last thing I go? And I was like, wow,
I really do know. I'm like, I've spent so much
of this game trying to avoid a lot of fighting,
which is hilarious because that's it either fighting or fucking wandering, right,
And I've been really enjoying the wandering because I noticed
that my anxiety goes up when I got to fight
a gang of fool.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah for real, just like real life, you know.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
Just like real life. So I've been trying to avoid
as much fighting if it's not necessary. So that's a
little insight because I feel like, you know, that's a
good game. But also there's hacks. Everybody knows.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, you like the idea of a monster who's obsessed
with monsters.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
He's like so horny for monsters.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
On one hand, that's like just a people person, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
But with monsters, he's a monster monster. Yeah, he's a
monster's monster. You know, deep down, who's your monster's favorite monster?

Speaker 4 (08:20):
Everybody's monster, got a favorite monster?

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Who's your favorite monster?

Speaker 4 (08:26):
Who's my favorite monster? Oh that's a good question. Oh,
like in real life?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Whatever? I mean, like what when I ask that question? What? What?
What comes up to the surface.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
For I think Gordon Ramsey is my favorite monster? Oh shit,
that's he's a monster, but like he's a good monster.
He really does want perfection off a sandwich, and you're
just like, bro, what is your issue? But I get
it because sandwiches can be so delicious if they're made.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Right right on second that I used to be a
PA and like worked on Hell's kitchen and he changed
the craft services company and catering for the crew because
he said the food will isn't good enough and and
like that's wild when you have somebody like take up
for the crew to be like the fuck is this
grilled cheese?

Speaker 6 (09:08):
Na?

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Then the next day a new fucking catering company was
in like making fucking like like ribbis and ship. Hell,
he is a monster on behalf of the people.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
He's That's why that's why I like what he does absolutely,
but also he could be a monster of the crows,
so he also he also made some motherfuckers feel tiny
on that set. I'm not gonna I believe that. But
that's the thing is like, no monster is going to
be perfect, no monsters.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
It cuts both ways. It definitely cuts absolutely.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
So that's why he's my favorite monster because he's still
a monster at the end of the day. But when
he does some shit, right, you're like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Thank you for this, thank you, Yeah, exactly do.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
You have a favorite monster?

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Jack? Thank you for asking? Ellen degenerous.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
It's the it's the toothpick thing, right, is the creativity
of the toothpick thing, Like she would hide toothpicks around
just to see if like her cleaning. It's just like
such dedication to Minutia to like having the terror of
working for her pervade every like square inch of her home.

(10:14):
He's really like an amazing level of dedication.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
That's true. What about this new Jimmy Fallon, Uh, jim.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Want more because he's like kind of we're just finding out.
The details are a little bit sketchy, he's definitely stress.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, but it's just he seems a little inconsistent.

Speaker 7 (10:38):
Yes, it seems like like sometimes he's like they're like
he's so fun, and then other times they're like, it's
a bad Jimmy day. Yeah, he's a drunk today, right,
might be a little bit drunk today.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
I just like that they had the phrase we're up
against it, that was the code word. I did not
appreciate that part.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
There's there's no article on Vulture about how the Fallon
is like a bad place to work, like really bad
and toxic and he is really rough, and they talk
about how the inside the code phrases were really up
against it today, and that meant like Jimmy is being
a asshole. Yeah, everybody steer clear. But like that now

(11:21):
they can't use that phrase anymore.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
They need to.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
He's probably like thinking back and being like.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
This motherfucker always said there, but that was like just
a thing they said. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Now when people have like a food craving, like let's
go get cheese it, She's like, is that the new
code let's go get cheese it? The paranoia is gonna go?

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Man, Okay, yeah, yeah, all right, what is uh Marcella,
what is something that you think is overrated?

Speaker 4 (11:50):
You know, I couldn't think of something, maybe because I.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Got a little high, but yeah, you got a little
high high, Ladies and gentleman introducing a little bit high
Marsella for the first time.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
She's never been a little bit.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Of high on our podcast, on anyone's podcast. Okay, I
trust you, guys.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, I saw that.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
I thought there was not going to be a guest host.
I was like, you know what, I can get a
little high. I read the comments. People get mad and
I'm so mean to Jack and I know when I'm
a little high, I'm a little more.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
I like that, Jackie. It's all good.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
I love how I loved Jack's like you nice to
mar Solo when she's mean to me. Guys, it's okay, Yeah,
I mean a lot of and you know what's funny
is a lot of guys don't understand it too. There's
a comic who's like, has a little crush on me,
and I'm just very mean to him. I'm very yeah,
and I really give it to him more because I
know he really enjoys it. And I'm waiting for him.

(12:46):
I'm waiting for him to be like Marcella, why are
you so mean? And I can't wait to be like,
stop asking me why I'm so mean? And ask yourself
why you like it? You bitch? Oh that's going to
be a moment when he when I have that exchange waiting.
I know it's gonna have one day because this is
such a.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Loaded to me.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
Why do you like it?

Speaker 2 (13:05):
You like?

Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah, that's the real question. What don't your mom do
to you?

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Bro?

Speaker 4 (13:09):
That's what I want to know.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
What didn't you do? You little pain hog?

Speaker 4 (13:14):
So yeah, I'm a little high. So I'm a little
I'm a little more fun and a little more rambling.
But it'll be worth it, guys. So, like I just
showed you, but overed underrated. I couldn't think of something, but
so I decided to google things like what did people
find overrated?

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Because I was like, there you go.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
This is because it's all it's all opinion. So the
top three things in the first three articles. The number
one thing one bitch wrote Bacon overrated. It is overrated? Okay,
so I already know the bitch has no taste.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Like, I also feel like you're about to out a
bunch of our former guests because it's like what if
you well, what if you like named a bunch of
like other people underrated and they were just like googling,
like I don't have a pains are overrated.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
That's probably true. Think about that. You're totally right. But bacon,
come on, Yeah, it's simple meat. It's so good.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
I think we've said this in the in the past.
We're like, it's properly rated. I get like ten years
ago we were doing too much.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
It was o debates, overrated by some people who are
not worth paying attention to. Nobody who are bacon people. Yeah,
but like who gives a fuck about them? Like let
them have their weird little thing.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, go to the like as they say, it's like
the fucking heart Attack Cafe or whatever the fuck it's called,
where like everything is bacon. Like I get it, we
get it, but like you don't. Don't you gotta hate
on it?

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Yeah, it's so tasty, it's so good good.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
What else is when you find yourself being like, uh,
like I don't even really like this thing that's fucking
delicious and like makes my body like involuntarily do things
like water just pour out of.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
My mouth when oh my god, that's.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
But when that's your take, like you're you're working too
hard to have a take exactly.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
I also just you know, it's good when religions are
like you cannot have it, like you know that shit.
It was good man. Ready here So another okay, another article.
I'm not going to name these people because they're all weirdos.
But another person they're article and her number one choice
was clubbing, club going out clubbing, and it was just

(15:27):
like you loser, bitch, like, stop imposing your introverted lifestyle
on people who enjoy being outside.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
When was the last time you went to the club, though,
more so you go to the club.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
Well, because of my foot injury, it has been few
and far between, but I will say like two weeks ago.
I think it was like my birthday party weekend, so
it was what middle of August, So yeah, like a
couple of weeks ago without and I because my foot injury,
couldn't really do much. But yeah, I took my boyfriend
to this place and met so called crocodile. It's like

(16:01):
this old ass like it is a wedding reception without
the family. It is so fun. There's like no drinks
on the dance floor. They encourage people to dress up.
There is a strict dress code and not like not
on some like racist dress code on some like don't
come in here, sloppy bro, Like guys have to have
their shirts buttoned up if they wear a button up,

(16:22):
like you cannot have a little like tank top showing underneath.
Like they're very much like noah, bro, We're here to
dance and drink and have a good time and respect everybody.
And they're on it. Like I saw them go up
to some guy, some young dude, because he thought he
could get away with whatever. He was dressed up really cute,
but he unbuttoned his shirt to like show off, and
dudes came up and were like, you need to button
your shirt back up, bro, And I.

Speaker 6 (16:43):
Loved it because I was like, yeah, I got dressed up.
You should be dressed up too. Couples, like seventy year
old couples come in there dressed matching and dance the
night away. Like I love going out dancing, and that's
maybe that doesn't fall under clubbing, but there are there
are places to go out and have a good time
and dance and enjoy yourself.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
And I hate when people are like clubbing is so lame. Like, girl,
you just don't like to drink and be out and
it's loud and you're probably neurodivergent. You can't handle all
the fucking sensory overload. Shit, that's you might be.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Going to the wrong clothes.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Like like this, this shit sounds so fun. We have
another guest talk about like going to like there was
like a chandelier room where they were like singing Elvis
covers or some shit like just like go find a
weird club to find the club.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
Yes, find the club that works for you, but don't
shit on clubbing. Come on Jersey Shore shit. I get
like you don't want to be around that. I understand,
Like sure, you know there's so many different.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
What about Bottle Wars. Did y'all see that clip over
the weekend of the bottle warship that was going on.
I know, like a Houston nightclub. It was like New
York versus Baltimore. Bottle It's like this ship you've been
doing for a while. You just start you just start
emptying bottles onto the floor for the flex. Oh god,
I'd be like dumping like six thousand dollars with their liquor,
like onto the floor. Yeah, fru it's it's the flex,

(18:04):
you know what I mean. It manifests in different ways.
But I'm at the Crocodile's website. I'm looking at they
have a whole dress code sub page. Like so women,
no sports attire, no T shirts, no sweats, no baseball caps, beanies,
no overly revealing clothing. I like that They're like, we're
modest men. Collar dress shirts required, no sports attire, no

(18:25):
T shirts, no longer shortsleeve shirts, no Henley's. No shallow
V necks, oh henley stylent, shallow V necks okay, No
hoodies okay, shallow nice dress sweaters okay, No, I can't
get away.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
With my ship that I try and pull off with
my V neck J deep like where I'm flirting with
exposing navel.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
No sweats, no baggy loose clothing. No club colors. What
are club colors?

Speaker 4 (18:51):
Are they trying to club colors? Like gang colors? Like
red white, I mean red, I mean red blue?

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah? Whatever else? No sandals, slip flops, no red or.

Speaker 5 (19:00):
Blue or you just can't We're all red or it
depends on the red and the blue.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
You can usually tell.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Right right right, Yeah, if you don't have like a
flag coming out of your pocket with your cool Yeah.
Shoot on, then maybe we have a problem. Wait, but
you're saying this isn't on some like racist shit, because
it's very much like they just want or they just
want everybody to come in, like it's like it's a
nice place.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Like it's a nice place. I'm telling you that's not
they're they're totally like trust me, Hood motherfuckers show up.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
But there they are, but they're in their place.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
They're in their player fit.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
It's like it is. It seems like it off top,
like I get it, but when you're reading it, but
I'm telling you, it's not that they're like no, no, no,
you can be Hood is fucking here, and you can
like be annoying and all that shit, but just be cute.
Don't be a messy on the dance floor. You can't.
Like they really are just like no, we're just here.
It's like family, Like it's like a family function.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
I love it. Wow, interior does look like a time capsule.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
It is, dude. It's so fun. If you're ever in
the Central and you want to go out, especially on
Saturday night, Friday nights are pretty empty, but Satura nights
are always popping. They're so and it's the music is insane. Yeah, wow,
music is insane.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
My friends like it looks like it's like a fucking
scene in Carlito's.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
Way or yes, dude, yeah, that's what I'm saying. When
you walk in there, you want to look cute, right
right right, they want you to match the vibe.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
It's like Cardos Way mixed with a laser tag like yeah, yeah,
that shit.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
It's cute. So the music, like the other day, it
was like it went from like suave to like eminem
something like the music is insane. It's silly. It's just
you're there for a silly time, right right. And that's
the other thing. That's why it's like even the music
is like kind of corny, but like in that fun
way where we're like we're never in high school. Yeah, yeah,

(20:47):
you know you're at a party. You're just like, you know,
you're just gonna be kissing tonight. That's it.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Wow, shout out crocodile.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
I love crocodiles. It's the funnest all right.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
So finding a weird club is under it, like cool.

Speaker 4 (20:59):
Yeah, she was saying it was overrated, but it's like, now, man,
find the clubs that work for you. And then the
final article that I saw that the I've only gave
the first one for the other two articles. I got
to give the two on this one because it's really
funny how they go hand in hand. This guy's idea
of what's overrated. The first one is a formal education,

(21:21):
which I agree, But then the second one is science.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
This guy's got some opinions on he's done some research,
some of his own research on the vaccine. I don't
think he's a fan of Fauci.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Yeah, because it's like, oh yeah, formal education. I agree.
Not everybody should be required to fucking for any fucking
job to have a fucking AABA any of that shit.
There's plenty of jobs of don't eat that shit. And
then he said science, and I was like, bro, I'm
clapping out, like we are not agreeing on the same
on the same number one.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
He's like, yeah, wh I got my master's degree on YouTube,
you know what I mean. That's why I can go
to toll with any person who went to a brick
and mortar college Like okay, sure, okay.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Actually got a Bachelor of Science from Praguer University, from
which that's not usually there especial price based it's all
faith based science.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
I got mine at university.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
All sauce prag Old World style degree. All right, Uh, let's.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Take a quick break and we'll come back and we'll
check in with Donald Trump. We like to do it
once a week, just make sure he's doing all right.
We'll be right back and we're back, and we were

(22:52):
like just checking with Donald Trump every once in a while.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
See, you take a lot about him.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
But what's he have to say about what he's up
two miles?

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Oh, just just quick checking for starters. The judge in
his second Eging Carrol defamation case, he's already been like, yo, man,
you're you're liable, okay, So the only thing lal left
to do is for the jury to just get together
in January and just figure out how much you owe
Eging Carrol. This isn't about whether or not you are
guilty or not, like we've we've determined that. So this

(23:25):
jury will get together just to figure out to put
a price tag on the fuckery. Mind you that he
already has to pay her five million dollars from the
previous judgment, and Trump was trying to get the judge
to put a cap on the damages and be like, well,
I've already paid five The judge.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Like nah, nah, seems like you're pretty rich. You keep
saying that it's kind of your whole thing, right.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, you got it, you got it like that right here,
that's another ten million, right, that's fine. Just sell a
couple more mugs with your with your mugshot on it.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
But anyway, that's like that classic like a young rapper
has way too much shit on his ig and then
he fucking gets has to go to court for some
ship and they just pull up his ig like, bro,
look at all this money and drugs, like guns and ship. Bro,
what are you doing? Stop putting your own ship on blast?

Speaker 2 (24:10):
I have nothing, you're honor please, Yeah, they're like you
were just you just bought a fucking three hundred thousand
dollars chain with your face made of diamonds.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
Right right, just about a new weave for sure.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
That's my character has done tried the that's a character,
that's a good idea elected president?

Speaker 2 (24:31):
So who is stupid?

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Now? You elected a w character president?

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Dumbass?

Speaker 4 (24:37):
That is such an actually broke.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
That's yeah, that's wearing his wife's purse in the airport. Yeah,
you know, they're like, that's a character, sir. Okay, although
Trump he probably looked good with a lace front, though
he probably I'm surprised he.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
Does look good with the lace front. That's why he's wearing, right, I.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Mean, I mean, he could go harder, but hey, I
get he only trusts him to apply it. But so anyway,
when the next thing that happened was his document's case, right,
Trump seems to be at the end of his rope
here in terms of like what his possible defense could
be because obviously this case isn't the most significant for
him from like a legal standpoint, like not like the

(25:13):
Rico case and shit, you know, or the other shit
happening in DC. But this, like it's clear now he
doesn't really have like an articulated defense because he keeps
saying the same thing over and over. He was on
a Hugh Huge show and he was talking about how
like I'll take the stand, I'll take the stand, and
also about how he's protected under the Presidential Records Act

(25:37):
spoiler alert, he is not. But I just just listen
to this now of him just going yammering on about
how he's all good in this case, because it doesn't matter.
Did you direct anyone to move the boxes?

Speaker 4 (25:49):
Did you tell anyone to move the boxes out about anything?

Speaker 8 (25:52):
You know why I don't talk about how I'm allowed
to do whatever I want. I come under the presidential records. Ack,
I'm not telling you. You know, every time I told
to you, oh, I have a breaking story, you don't
have any story. I come under the presidential records, Zack.
I'm allowed to do everything I did.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
So who is Hugh Hewitt? Hugh Hewitt is like one
of these like goony right wing like radio dudes, like
commentator guys. He's not he's not a he's he's but he's.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Like right wing. He's party right wing that Trump thinks
is against him.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, but he'll also you know, he'll also you know,
like vacillate between reasonable conservative and then just you know,
full throat boot licking. So you know it.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
He loves this ship so much. Trump like he loves
going on a show and being like you don't got ship,
You're fucking stupid.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
I look at Yes, everything I did, I did it
because I could do it. But I definitely did it.

Speaker 5 (26:50):
Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
But then if I have this interpretation of the law incorrect,
I'm totally fucked. But yeah, I did it, and there's
nothing you could do because I'm bulletproof.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Baby.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
It's really funny, like you have nothing, but I did it.

Speaker 9 (27:06):
You do that, but I can do that is the thing.
But I'm not ship but I'm not telling you. That's
how he also saying, here, but I did that. I'm
thank you.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Where's usher until that?

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Because it would be good for your ratings?

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Well then basically he goes on again and then Hugh
Hewitt's like, all right, hypothetical, you're on the stand, what's
you gonna say?

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Oh my god, are you serious?

Speaker 2 (27:33):
I think that?

Speaker 4 (27:35):
Okay, if you do and they ask you on on
the stand, did you order anyone to move boxes?

Speaker 2 (27:40):
How will you answer?

Speaker 8 (27:42):
I'm not answering that question for you. But I'm totally
covered under the law. Okay, Presidential Records Act. Just read it,
you take a look at it. I'm totally covered under
the law.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Spoiler alert, he is, in fact, not fucking covered under
the Presidential reck Act. Just read it. Just read it.
I would any asshole with Google, including myself can look
up the Presidential Records Act, and it states that all
White House records related to government business are public property

(28:15):
and that when the president and vice president leave office,
those documents must be transferred to the National Archives for preservation.
So there's not a single thing under there that is
being like, just read it. I'm covered. It's like, you're not,
but you're just trying to do that thing where you
think if you say that shit over and over and
over again that I'm sure maybe some of the people

(28:35):
listening to that interview might believe that, but when it
goes to when it's actually presented, they're gonna be like, sir,
this is it doesn't say anything about that shit here
at all.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
And he's he's.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Surrounded by lawyers who are on his payroll, and he's
fired all the ones who tell him the stuff that
he doesn't want to hear. Yeah, so he's just strong
and wrong, baby, strong and wrong.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
I bet his lawyers like, we're up against it today. Folks,
did you hear that interview. I'm covered, I'm covered. It's like,
I don't what is he even talking about?

Speaker 4 (29:07):
So if he did it, it doesn't matter. He did it,
and he's covered out.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
And also the thing is this guy he always he's
always pump faking like he'll take the stand. He says
that all the time. He's not I'll take the stand,
it doesn't matter, but he never does. So again it's
this is just where he's at. He's only got a
bunch of pump faking left and I don't know where
it's gonna end up. But hey, you wish i'd take
the stand? Be good for your ratings? What would you say?

(29:33):
I'm not telling you, but I'm good under the law,
I could do whatever I want. That's essentially your answer.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
Yeah, right, yes I did it, but I'm protected, right, judge,
I'm protected.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Right, I'll protect you good that I could do anything.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
Were good?

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Here?

Speaker 1 (29:48):
We good here, He's gonna do that. That's what he's
gonna sit down and be like presidential records act. We
were good here, we get here, I'm covered and got
a tea time.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
And I think that if you took the stand, he
would because he he he either talks one in two ways.
He confidently speaks with a lot of hand gestures, or
he has both hands planted. What do you think his
strategy would be?

Speaker 2 (30:08):
I don't know. If he's that I don't know, with
his back against the wall, I feel like he might
be energetic. But you think about remember that time, like
in the Egen Carrol depositions, when he's like, I don't
know her, and then he mistook her for his wife,
and oh my god, it's like, you never want this
dude even if he even if he is behaving, he's
gonna fucking self own somehow up there.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
It's so wild.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Who's that wife? Before there? I am with my beautiful wife.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Beautiutiful, beautiful, beautiful wife that I went with sale and
gut that woman. I don't know her.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
She's ugly, Carol. They're like, okay, so I'm no further questions, Yeah,
thank you.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
No further answers, please.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
For the answers, for the answers, you're honor. What is that?

Speaker 4 (31:01):
No further answer answers?

Speaker 2 (31:03):
So what the fuck does that mean? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (31:06):
You got to name that the pod. No further an.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
The trials of Donald J. Trump further answers. That's pretty good,
all right.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
In other news, that's gonna be my new transition.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
There's been there's been a lot of discussion lately about
AI replacing writers Taxi drivers. There's also a lot of
concern regarding whether or not AI should replace doctors, and
so there's been articles claiming that I can help the
healthcare industry, and that is absolutely true. Like there's been

(31:43):
articles that claim that like AI chatbots can help healthcare
like doctors with their bedside manner. There's ways that it
helps cut time with like finding data retrieval and like
big diagnostic things. Those are all true, but it's always
being framed as like replacing the doctors better than a

(32:06):
better than doctor, just like they want it to be
something that it's not.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
They want it to be.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Robot doctor who's like, you know, just that's the only
person you deal with, and it's like definitely does not
work that well. Like for so, for instance, this one
of the studies, by the way, the methodology is comparing
chat GPT with like chat GPT responses to questions that

(32:33):
people posed in a ask docs subreddit with like what
the actual doctors in a subreddit said, and then being
like they actually like did better than the doctors and
on reddit, so I think they could replace.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Them like that, Wow, that's the low hanging ass fruit
right there to try and make your point.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that they're like CHGBT
is a good tool, Like it's a cool tool. It's
it's like they're trying to replace their like when Google,
if Google was invented and they were like, well, you
don't need lawyers anymore, you don't need doctors anymore because

(33:17):
all you need to do is google this shit, ask
a question. It's like, no, this is a good tool
for doctors. I want my doctor to google what I have,
but I don't want my doctor.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
To be Google, to be Google exactly.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
And I want my doctor to have some of their
energy saved up by using this language model to help
them like write emails that are clear and concise and
like convey the information that needs to be conveyed. I
don't need them to use this language model to replace
the doctor, which is just going to be a worse thing.

(33:53):
It's just going to create a thing, like a thing
that's harder to tell that you're being fucked over because
because they are able to like string together sentences that
make it sound like you're dealing with an actual healthcare professional,
but it's actually like a medical chatbot like there are
so they've already been testing this med palm two at

(34:15):
the Mayo Clinic, and like the way they write about
it is like, in almost every metric such as showing
evidence of reasoning, consensus supported answers, the med palm two
performed more or less as well as the actual doctors.
It's like, why it shouldn't be a fucking competition. Yeah,
it's insane to like think of it as a competition.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
It's not. It's not supposed to be replacing them. It
should be.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Improving the quality of care that people get, which is
an actual problem that everybody like seems to acknowledge in
the United States. It's like really hard to get good
medical care. But it really feels like it's because of
the private equity ification of the US, like the fact
that the only thing that excites the people who make

(35:03):
the decisions at a high level is cutting costs and
like improving profit. And so their interpretation of AI is
not like, here's a good tool that will improve the product,
because they don't give a fuck about the product. All
they care about is finding ways to cut costs. And
so that's why it's always being framed as well, this

(35:25):
can replace people, right, It's like, no, it can make
people better at their job. Baby, if you like give
them a chance to learn how to use it and
if you like think about it in a way that's
like patient and thoughtful. But instead the only thing that
they care about is cutting how many jobs they can cut,
which is it's crazy that like we are allowing that

(35:48):
to be the way that this technology is being written
about and like thought about at a broad.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Level, right, you know, a lot of it is looking
as like oh AI is here to make everything like obsolete,
or it's like the be all end all of certain industries.
Like that's sort of the dominant narrative, which has everyone
being like, so it's smarter than a doctor, so it's
better than a doctor, so it's better than a writer.
It's like rather than well no, and even like what

(36:14):
they're talking about when they're like analyzing the performance of
that one AI, it's like performed more or less as
well as the actual doctors. Well what's less? Yes, Like
how that is less? Like that's kind of a big
fucking deal if you completely misdiagnosed shit, because like with
all AI, like you know, you can already see how

(36:35):
there's gonna be, like the kind of care can be
all fucked up based on like racial biases and shit
like that, because even when you look at right, even
if it is going through like actual data, if you
look at clinical trials for certain medications, if sometimes a
certain ethnic group isn't responding as well as another, they
will just preclude them from participating in the study to

(36:56):
make the to make the results look better. Where it's like, yeah,
well this should actually work better for white Alzheimer's patients
and not black or Latino Alzheimer's patients. So like let's
have a couple of them in there, but mostly the
white ones because those are showing us the best results.
And we're all we already have a deficit in even
how we even are testing certain things. So and I
met with like a really good doctor like that and

(37:20):
somebody who's like really smart about how they use AI.
AI could actually be used to like fight against the
biases that do exist with doctors. Like doctors are not
above that shit, but any means like they're sure some
of the most sexist, racist motherfuckers, and you know out
here because they're like sitting there getting told they're like

(37:41):
incredibly smart and they have like a lot of authority,
and so whenever there's a lot of authority. You see
a lot of biases and shit like just go unchecked.
So there's a problem, there's an issue there, And I
don't think that, Like I think in a different world
where we don't approach a technology and say how many
jobs could this cut like as the first question, we

(38:05):
would be approaching this and being like, oh, this is
a great opportunity to fucking like improve medical care and
like cut out all this bias, all these biases by
like you know, doing like approaching data differently or like
using like approaching people, you know, and just doing a
better job like parsing through massive amounts of data without

(38:25):
racism goggles on, you know.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
But yeah, I always find it interesting when you actually
stumble upon a really good doctor and like the thing
that you notice from a good doctor to a not
good doctor is that they actually like take their time
and they want to know the real personal route of
like where the fuck this shit is coming from, you know,
And you're not just filling out a form that says
like yes, that's my father had cancer and died, like

(38:48):
you're you know, you're actually engaging with like okay, like
what what does this mean and what does that mean?
And where is this, and where do you work? And
what's your stress levels? And like when you have a
doctor that really cares. It's such a fucking huge difference.
And if they did have those tools and they could like,
you know, precision focus on whatever it is that's bothering you,
it would be so nice in an ideal way. And

(39:08):
it's also going back to what you were saying Jack
about how like it's crazy that like when we get
some technology, it's like how do we cut jobs? Yeah,
And it's wild that right now the AI conversation is
like that, But it's also not because when you think
about the way people talk about immigrants and immigrants taking
people's jobs, it's like there's so much disconnect of like

(39:29):
what's really happening in all these industries, and AI is
just about to make that shit so much worse. And
that's of course why they're doing the double strike with
this with my industry. And it's really fascinating to be
in it so deep and in every seems to be
like every industry is getting affected by the shit. It's
really wild, Like where is this going? I don't know?

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Yeah, because it starts off as being like this will
help people's efficiency and then again like when you start,
if you have like a company that has to answer
at a Wall Street, then you can see how that
pressure can turn into just like, well, why don't we
just make them all.

Speaker 10 (40:05):
A bunch of chat bots, or at least a lot
of them could be you know, for a lot of
this shit, And it is a slippery slope, and like
to the point of like I get too because some
like medical systems are so overburdened, Like I feel like
doctors own They're like I have to see like nine
hundred fucking people in a day because I'm already they're
already cutting costs that they're there, I can't give the

(40:26):
quality of care.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
So shit is slipping through the cracks. And that happened
tragically with my cousin, you know, like having something completely misdiagnosed,
go completely under the fucking radar and then oh, sorry,
you have stage four cancer. Sure, I mean, and that's
what happens. And you think about how frequent that kind
of shit happened, Like how frequently that kind of thing happens,
And you're like, isn't there a way to help that

(40:50):
for somebody who unfortunate, like you know, I guess I
won't say that a doctor's negligent because I don't know
what the fuck their work environment is like. But those
are the instances where you feel like, couldn't that help,
Like like more or less they have fall through, Yeah,
fall through the fucking cracks of being like, no, you're fine,
it's fibroids, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it,
don't worry about it. And then it's, hey, we totally

(41:11):
fucked that up. Sorry, Yeah, that's just.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
Sorry, bye bye. And that's what's fucked up.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah, it's that, that's where you're hoping that the is
there a way to improve that, you know what I mean,
but not just wholesale being like and this ship is
more popping than doctors and of moving on yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
Yeah, And then and then you get into the deeper
conversation of like medical school being so fucking expensive and
only certain types of people have access to it. I
mean that that's what's fucked is there's so many layers
that's happening in this conversation that we're trying to happen, right,
But it's like you feel fucking crazy because you're just
like I just want everyone I love to get good
health care. Why is that so hard?

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Right?

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Why do you have to like, yeah, well there has
to be like a shortage of doctors and they have
to be like treated like shit, like professionally hazed to
like like there's like stories like people are going through
medical school. They're like these stories where it's like, yeah,
so I would be driving to work and like part
of my routine was I would fall asleep at the

(42:09):
red light and then people would wake me up by
honking at me when the light turned green.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
And that's how I would like sleep during medical school.
It's like exists, Jesus.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Well why do you why no other profession crazy? Yeah,
but there is this interesting case study of like cause
the whole AI thing and like everybody going crazy about
AI right now is really like a media bubble and
like this technology has been around. It's just like once
Chad GPT happened and a lot of people were like, whoa,

(42:39):
it feels like I'm talking to person right when I
talk to this thing and they give me answers. Yes,
the answers aren't correct, but they get a lot of
shit wrong. But it's interesting that it can type answers,
So I'm impressed. But like there's been a AI for
a while, and there was this company called Babylon Health,
a startup in twenty eighteen that they had an AI

(43:02):
chatbot that was reportedly able to diagnose medical conditions as
accurately as a doctor. And the claim that claim was
based on a study that, as noted in a follow
up paper by researchers, did not offer convincing evidence that
Babylon can perform better than doctors in any realistic situation,
and there is a possibility that it might perform significantly worse.

(43:26):
And yeah, it's just like the over promising of the
technology like just immediately, like starts immediately, because the second
you have something like this, it gets put in a
room with people who are like, how do we, at
the highest level, as people who aren't involved in this
at all, we're not doctors, how do we make the

(43:49):
most money off of that?

Speaker 2 (43:50):
And the way to make the most money off of that.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Is to just give unrealistic prognostications of like what the
thing's going to be able to do, and like not
work with it at all. And I feel like that's
what AI is to a large degree. It's like a
word for tech advances that we already have or that
have been happening for a while. But the media bubble

(44:13):
is like an opportunity for these like financial powers to
like dig in and try to make money by like
claiming that they can cut jobs.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
But anyways, this.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Babylon company, the NHS, the British like healthcare system, signed
a big contract with them to like take over signed
three projects with the UK's NHS hospital trusts, and they
ended up canceling almost all of them, like eight years
before they were supposed to.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
And yeah, also, I like I wonder if the person
who named it was was like a Rastafarian was looking
at it like a Babylon type thing, you know, like
real like the oppressive systems that we live under. According
to the Rastafarian versus of Babylon, this is bullshit. This
is hyper capitalist, oppressive bullshit.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
They invented it and were like, uh oh oh, this
is bad Babylon.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
I have two thoughts. The first one is I think
it's also amusing because at some point in the future,
like yeah, they get these ai whatever chap bought to
come fucking take over the doctor's job. But then there's
gonna be the next level of exploitation after that, where
now like your privacy is at risk, like literal pictures
of your body are now and like hidden within these

(45:31):
AI chat you know, men are going to fucking hack
that ship. Now they got pictures of my pussy because
my gynecologists had to like you know, ship with you know,
taking pictures and check if I got fibroids, you know,
know whatever. It's like, you know, that's the next level.
Once they introduced the shit, I mean, that's what's happening
with fucking cars article about whether they's they say, like

(45:53):
they're keeping taps on your sex life, on everything like that.
You get that smart shit in anything, and you're gonna
get to that point where it's like it just gets nasty.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
It was yeah, Like that article ended with like they're
in a damn company that isn't fucking with your data,
they said, except for two and they were like based
in Europe because they have to actually abide by their
privacy laws everybody else. They're hoovering up good data. They're
watching you. Fuck yeah, they're watching the slogan you thought when.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
The car was off its headlights, weren't watching you?

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Wait? What? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (46:28):
Nasty? And then the second thought, I had was it's
interesting how I mean, I think naturally all technology there's
a dark side to it, right, any any invention it
was going to have a dark side to it. You know,
you invented whatever, the car and it's made to transport,
but you can kill somebody with your car. So made
me think about how Like I wonder if when pins

(46:48):
were invented, like like who was the first person to
get to die getting stabbed by a pin? And they
were like, this is out of control. This is why
we can have pins in our household, or pencils or whatever.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
The fuck.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
There's literally it's always this is human nature, it seems
or it's like you invent something and it's going to
be used for evil because that's the way humans work.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
I mean, we already have this one example that's pretty creepy,
like so like that, there's this thing called deep Scribe,
which is it's like your doctor will use it to
record your conversation with your doctor and it captures the
encounters in real time and automatically extracts medical information throughout

(47:29):
the conversation, which sounds like a good idea good use
of the technology, except the software was only able to
catch eighty percent of what was recorded. Okay, their AI
would have quote hallucinations and provide quote false information about patients,
including errors enlisting medications, which seems pretty bad. So to

(47:50):
fix this issue, the company hired a team of two
hundred random people who would fix the notes by listening
into these supposedly private recordings of medical appointments.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
So problem solved.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
We just got random you know, a random.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
All I'm hearing is job job. Come on, bro, you're
hating that's true?

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Ye to those two hundred humans.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
Yes, that's so crazy. I hate it.

Speaker 8 (48:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
And then they're also using it to screw you over
on insurance claims.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
So oh, we didn't even get to the good part
where they're like, yeah, yeah, this will just go through
insurance claims to help a doctor deny all of them.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
Yeah, it's crazier to deny.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
The insurance company's Sigma is being sued for using an
AI algorithm instead of doctors to review customer claims, allowing
their doctors to deny claims without ever opening patient files.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
That's great, that's great, Yeah, I like how Yeah, there's
like one example of this woman who had like was
getting an ultrasound because they thought she may have ovarian cancer,
and they found a cyst and then denied her claim
for the ultrasound and a follow up procedure.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Claiming neither were medically necessary, and leaving her on the
hook for seven hundred and twenty three dollars, which is.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Wild because they could have just done that without the AI, Right,
you know what I mean? Okay, sure, I guess it's
more efficient or just as fucked up.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Should we take one more break and come back and
talk about the real scandal that Rotten Tomatoes might not
be as trustworthy?

Speaker 5 (49:30):
We all thought, oh no, and we're back.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
Or do you want to bring us back Marcella and
we're back.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Yeah, there we go with Gusto, one of the best
in the business.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
All right, so, Rotten Tomatoes, I've been I've been a
Rotten Tomatoes skeptic for a while.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
You are that kind of white guy.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
I have some thoughts about rotten tomatoes.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
I just closed my laptop.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
In your online dating profile, it's like, here's some things
about me, rotten tomatoes skeptic. Yeah, follower of christ.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
I prefer Metacritic personally because they have a little bit
more a little bit more specific with the inputs that
they put in, so like a five star review, not
just fresh, it is, you know, input as a ten
out of ten.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
Okay, but wait, back it up a second. Who is
submitting to Rotten Tomatoes For those that don't know, like me,
for example.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Movie critics?

Speaker 4 (50:46):
Okay, but what who defines that?

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Who defines the movie crase? That's a great that's a
great point. Yeah, and a great question. And it is
the crux of the issue, right because Rotten Tomatoes determines it,
and the owners of Rotten Tomatoes have some say into
who gets allowed in there. And you'll never believe this.
Rotten Tomatoes is owned by a movie studio. They're owned

(51:12):
by Universal Pictures and Warner Brothers. Or sorry, they're owned
by Warner Brothers and fan Dango, which shares a parent
company with Universal Pictures. So yeah, they So it was
just revealed that a PR company called Bunker fifteen, which
is just.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Like, ugh, you know, that's a shit job. Like if
something like where do you work Bunker fifteen, they're like, oh,
I don't know what that is, but I'm sorry you.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
Bos Pepe the Frog Jesus.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Really, Bunker fifteen's the Wojack Memea.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Bunker fifteen juiced to the rotten tomato scores of the
movie Ophelia, because when the reviews came out, it was so,
this is a feminist retelling of Hamlet starring Opheliate time,
and the reviews came out and it was coming in
in a forty six percent, which classifies that is rotten.

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And then Bunker fifteen offered critics in quotes fifty dollars
or more to post positive reviews, which bumped the rating
up too fresh, And the next month the movie was
acquired for distribution.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
So damn for fifty bucks. Starting for fifty bucks, it's
so low, Like that's what. It's so fucking cheap, Like
what y'all if if you're gonna, like, if you're gonna
sell out your little rotten tomatoes, cred, go get some
more fucking coin than that.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
Yeah, it just shows you how much people are fucking
whack as fucking sellouts and have no morals or ethics.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah, but they're also like, here's the thing, you don't know.
I do about forty of these a day, right when
I get figuring that I'm making two grand a day,
actually I'm doing all.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
Right, Yeah, I mean that is how they think, though, I.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Bet I'm sure so Bunker fifteen didny I do the allegations,
but also admitted they have a quote small handful of
writers that are set up that are set up a
specific system where filmmakers can sponsor or pay to have
them review a film, which doesn't sound like a denial
of the allegation.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Like they go, hey, man, are you paying critics to
to like, you know, pad the reviews of films that
are your clients of your PR company. We absolutely deny
that much. No, what we do do have some critics
who we can pay be paid.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
They got the same PR company as Trump. Huh I
I protected?

Speaker 2 (53:34):
So yeah, right, they're saying we're covered on the Presidential
Records Act. So next question, my honor.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
And since the Vulture piece went up alleging all of this,
the Ophelia page has disappeared from Real.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Tomatoes and Waits, and they use this to secure distribution.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Yeah, so that's that's why there that's there's gonna that
Like that feels like a lawsuit from whoever bought distribution rights.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
For that movie.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Yeah, oh yeah, it's really Oh wait, because I don't
think that thing made much money oh shit whenever.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
So if you google it, it'll give you out like
a result on Google. Then you go and guess what
homie is? Four to oh four baby not here? That
the droids you are looking for are not here. These
are not the droids you're looking for.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
That movie ended up making two hundred and forty two
thousand dollars, which I think is probably more than anybody
paid to.

Speaker 8 (54:31):
For.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Damn, it's uh, it's not good.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
But I yeah, like Rotten Tomatoes, just as has always
seemed completely suspect and like arbitrary. You'd go, you'd see
like a movie that like doesn't have good reviews, and
you go on Rotten Tomato and it would be like
seventy six percent like fresh, It's like whoa, whoa, what's anybody?
We're just we're just taking.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Their word for it.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
And they've also like there was they delayed the posting
of the reviews of Justice League when that came out
in twenty seventeen, Like it got real bad reviews, but
they like wouldn't post the reviews for a while. They
would be people to buy tickets that they wanted the
body to find out the movie was bad.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Yeah, one of our earliest episodes was I remember us
talking about that and we're like, what they can do that?
And then we're like, oh, Warner Brothers owns it. Okay,
I guess they rotten tomatoes.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
It's so wild that, like this country is so like
freedom of speech, freedom of speech, and any chance anyone
gets like, but how much does it cost to get
you to change that speech?

Speaker 8 (55:33):
Right?

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Right? Exactly?

Speaker 1 (55:35):
How can I buy?

Speaker 4 (55:36):
Cost of speech?

Speaker 8 (55:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (55:38):
Cost of speech? Like god, that's so wild.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
I mean, you got discounted speech over here, you're looking
for it.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
Shit. It's also like I know that when I use
like yelp, because I don't I don't use wrote tomatoes.
I don't give a shit about movies, but when I
use Yelp, I'm definitely always like I can't trust you.
Like I hate. I hate when like you read something
and you're like this has nothing to do with the food.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Right, Well, you no, right, because there's there's yelp reviews
or you go, oh, you fucked up on your anniversary
din or pro you're taking it out on this restaurant
that they didn't have X, Y and Z because it's
like I made I made a reservation that day and
then when we got there, it's like, hold, no, no, no,
no no.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
My favorite, of course is the I eat here a
million times, But today it's like, why didn't you review
the other million times when he killed it? That's the
actual review I want. But anyways, so I'm curious when
you guys use rotten tomatoes, like, is there ever like
you feel like this person is insincere or this is
a suspect, Like can you can you read that the

(56:34):
way that you can kind of see it in yelp?

Speaker 2 (56:36):
The other thing that's really weird. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
It's totally subjective whether a thing, whether a review is
rotten or fresh, you know, like if they give it
like two stars, sometimes they'll put that as rotten or
as fresh.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Like it totally.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
It's yeah, it's really there's a there's a lot of
like shade consists since yeah, consistency, thank you, which is
why if you'll, if you'll check your inbox, I've just
sent you a fifteen page slide show.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Metacritic is the superior website. Metacritic the superior website.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
All right, Marcella, such a pleasure. I mean, you were
so wonderful.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
I was so boring.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Yeah, kind of bummed out. Yeah, there you go, bring
it back. Where's that dial? The smoke up real quick?

Speaker 4 (57:30):
I'll come back, and I got promote. I guess I'll
take us to this show. So I was like, let
me be nice, even though I don't like being nice.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
No, I mean I don't think. I think it's a
misnomer to even to categorize you.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
We agree on that ship, No, we agree. I'm working
a bit about character versus demeanor. Yeah, because people confuse
your demeanor with your character and this is not how
it should be. But people are ready for all that ship.

Speaker 9 (57:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
Oh god, she said please shut the fuck up. She
told she stole your husband when she said please, bitch
so dumb. Anyways, that was my final rant. Thank you
so much. You can find me at Marcella Comedy and
now reminder, I will be headlining the Hollywood Improv September fifteenth.
I'm coming to Chandler, Arizona in September twenty second. I'll

(58:17):
be in Portland headlining High Note Comedy on the twenty eighth.
I'll also be opening for Michelle Buteau. So if you've
got tickets, I think there's still one more show with her.
Excited about that. I'm also coming to the Santa Cruz
Festival in October, and I'm doing Vegas in November, but
I think i'll be back to kick it with y.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Yeah, you gotta tell you, thank you amazing. Do you
like doing Vegas? You like doing Vegas.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
For my first time doing Vegas, oh wow, it's the
middle of the week show. So I'm excited about that
because I really feel like the weekend crowd is fucking
too insane.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Yeah bonkers. You people who've already like lost their mortgage.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
I mean you're gonna have that any day of the week,
but on the weekend there are like people coming to
have a week and to really lose big exactly.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Somebody who like already legally died at a hospital and
then came back drunk for like you.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
Yeah, during the week you got all the people that
have like their little vouchers and their discounted rooms and
you know, pros, the pros. That's I am excited about that,
but I don't know how that's gonna be. I've never
done Vegas.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
I'm excited.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
Piece of media I'm enjoying is my friend Coreyla Kasik
has this Uh, you guys would appreciate this. Oh, I
had it written down in the room and I had
to come down here. But I think it's like Molly
bro on Instagram. He's going viral right now because he
was at Burning Man and so he just is like
doing like a Hey, guys, do you need a spond
If you want to sponsor us for here stranded, just

(59:39):
one dollar we'll get us. If a million of you donate,
one dollar can get us. Hella Molly. It's just like
the funniest stupidest ship. He's part of a crew called
the Dress Up Gang, which Frankiekniona is also in which
you guys a yes from fit but they it's just
such a funny character. His name is Molly bro on Instagram. Fuck,

(01:00:01):
I wish I think I have it wrong. Let me
see if I can't pull it up. Official Molly bro
is his Instagram handle. That's amazing and he has really
silly Molly content and it's actually very funny. I don't
do Molly, but I you know, I can appreciate a
good character.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Yeah, why not? Of course?

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
And Miles, where can people find you? Is there a
working media you've been in?

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Drug? Yeah? Find me Twitter, Instagram, all them at based
Life forums, at Miles of Gray. You know where to
find us with our basketball takes. That's Miles and Jack
got mad boosties. You like ninety Day Fiance, Check Sophia,
Alexander and I out on four to twenty day Fiance
and True The True Crime Show. Check it out. The
Good Thief please check it out. And let's see a

(01:00:45):
tweet I like from Brittany Nichols at Bee as Hilarious
tweeted strike knees to end. You know how many birds
I can name? Now? It's too much? And if that's
the metric, using like, oh no, I've become a bird
watch in full, and now I can. I'm having arguments
over what kind of hawks there are? I get it.

(01:01:05):
Maybe outside a little to wait.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
I always saw her at was bish hilarious. Wow, I've
been reading it wrong this whole time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
I mean, I think I feel like it could be
both because I used to read it like that too,
and then I was like, well this b is, but
it's also look it's it's up to the reader.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
She's a great she's a great writer.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
I think we can oh, we can all agree on that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
Where can people find you? What's the piece of enjoying?

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Asking you can find me a Jack Underscore ol Brian.
Uh tweet I'm enjoying is from Brian Jordan now Rez,
who tweeted Courtyard Marriott Marian court Yard really makes you think, and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
It did all night. Couldn't stop thinking about it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
Sorry, you guys should be saying an ex that I like,
not a tweet that I like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Fun that absolutely or.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
I will not I did formerly known as Twitter, you
every publication in America.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
I'm sorry. Check where people can find you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Uh, you can find me at Jack Underscore, Brian on Twitter, Twitter,
find us on Twitter at daily Zeicheist, read d Daily
Zai Guist on Instagram. We have Facebook fan page and
our website daily zeikes dot com. We post our episodes
on our footnote good notes. We're we link off the
information that we talked about today's episode, as well as
a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what

(01:02:33):
is the song that you think people might enjoy?

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
I think we're gonna go out on a little bit
of some UK rap here some drill from quang face
k w e n g f ace E. This is
the remix to the track Freedom. It's called Freedom too
with Joy Orbison and over Mono I think are the
beat makers that that flipped the beat. But anyway, Freedom

(01:02:56):
with the number two by Quang Face get inwit do
it all right? Well, we will link off to that
in the footnotes of the daily is the production of
iHeartRadio for more podcasts.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
My Heart Radio is the iHeartRadio, w ap Apple podcast
or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That is
going to do it for us this morning. We are
back on Monday with an episode where Miles and I
are gonna tell you what was trending over the weekend.
We'll tell you stuff we think is overrated underrated Monday
like early afternoon ish and then Tuesday with.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
A special episode and we'll talk to you all.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Then have a great Oh and there there will be
a highlight reel of the best of this week over
the weekend the weekly, so much shit for you guys
to pay attention to.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
Did you guys do like a VH one countdown style.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Of our greatest hits of number five this week?

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
Number five to you by Coca Cola Classic.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
That's right, that's we're leaving money on the table by
doing that. Yeah, any right, we'll talk to y'all on Monday.

Speaker 8 (01:03:57):
Bye.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
Thank you have dreams that fruits and fruit