Poop Party At The Pentagon! Nathan, Do Capitalism Next! 05.29.25

In episode 1871, Jack and Miles are joined by co-host of One of Us with Fin and Chris, Chris Renfro, to discuss… Pete’s Pentagon - Cocaine, Illegal Wire Taps and HUGE Sh*ts, Nathan Fielder Probably Isn’t Going to Improve Aviation Safety After All and more!

1. White House stunned as Hegseth inquiry brings up illegal wiretap claims
2. Vicious interpersonal conflicts among Hegseth staff cloud leak investigation
3. Can a Comedian Reform Aviation Safety?
4. Can Nathan Fielder Save You From Dying in a Plane Crash?
5. Nathan Fielder Ended “The Rehearsal” With His Most Deranged Stunt Yet
6. Pilots React to The Rehearsal
7. Boeing Agrees to Plead Guilty to Felony in Deal With Justice Department
8. Could Nathan Fielder’s Scheme to Prevent Airline Crashes Actually Work?
9. The Collision At Tenerife
10. How speaking up can save lives
11. ‘You do not cross them’: Hierarchy and emotion in doctors' narratives of power relations in specialist training
12. Hierarchy and medical error: speaking up when witnessing an error.
13. Aviation Industry Scandals: Capitalism Makes Air Travel Deadly
14. Airline Pilots Demand Higher Wages and Better Treatment

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
How difficult is it to get the mustache to do
what it do right now?

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Chris Well, I like hurried the shower and put it together.
So but I've been training it for I was doing
a show where I had this.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
I just wants to do that now.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, now I just wants now. It's like more of
a hassle to make it.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Not do this now?

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Interesting because if I put an effort, I can do
that right now, but I need a little bit. It's
kind of like it's like a muscle. It doesn't the
it doesn't stay flexed. It kind of limps over at
some point.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
So you got to focus for like fifteen minutes and
flex really hard, really hard, and then it goes.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
It's just really straight.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
I got my like the hair and makeup person on
the show gave me the stuff that essentially turns into
like cement, and I use that for like a week,
and now it just wants to do this.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Incredible been after washing or is it just it's not
washing out? It's like I'm there's also legos stuck in
it for some reason.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
I can't my fish hair looks like shit, you know
what I mean. I couldn't even be in a story
about somebody who has no facial hair.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
And he does this every time to try and fish
for compliment, to get people to say, no, it actually
looks good, mine.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
It looks so bad.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
There's something there. I swear I'm looking. I'm looking at
not even that.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
I'm not even.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Come on, baby, bring your face a little bit closer.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Let me take a look at that.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Oh yeah, baby, you've got something. You guys don't worry
about that. I mean, it's crazy that I can grow
hair like this. I'm Asian, Like, this shouldn't be possible. Yeah,
I'm black and Asian, and I'm like, fucking the beards.
The beard game on my black side is fucking strong.
And then I look at all my like Asian family members,
everybody just like shin hair.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
That's the only place they grow hair.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Shin hair only. Shin hair only.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, And it was cool when I was like in
high school. I remember all the girls like, oh, look
at your arms are so smooth. I'll be all self
conscious and shit, and I'm like, man, you know, I'm
still du though, you know what I mean. And then
later on I'm like, no, they like that, they.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Like that, But then I see your shins yeah, they's
like your mind. Yeah, pick one spot asshole.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah you fifth grade centaur.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Shin Centaur. The shins are an animal.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah that band on Spotify.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Your fair Centaur fucking rules. Hello the Internet, and welcome
to season three ninety, Episode three.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Of Derny Guys.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
It's a production of iHeartRadio. It's a podcast where you
take a deep dive into America's share consciousness. And it's Thursday,
May twenty nine, twenty twenty five. Oh yeah, what's that?

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah? Oh it's National five to nine Day. You know
you got that College Savings Foundation account. Yeah, yep, yep, yep.
Shout out to anybody who has children that they want
them to go to college and try.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
And work in five to nine.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Oh that's a that's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Hours are pretty good.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah yeah, four hours. Yeah, that's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
I oversee an after school program.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Oh oh okay, great. Great. Also it's National cook Avone
Day for all you all French cooking fanatics out there.
And also National paper Clip Day. Shout out Clippy, the
old Microsoft fun character and all paper clips. You know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
He's the lazy gone pretty dark. Now he's like you
got a Manisphere podcast?

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember ever since somebody used Clippy
as a roach clip, it was all downhill from there.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
He was just he just claims that the reason he
is no longer used was because everybody got too woke
on him, the fact that he was you slits from
the we don't use paper, and they're gonna try and
bring his ass back with AI. I guarantee it. Oh yeah, yeah,
I mean it's basically all AI is like a new

(04:10):
version of Clippy being imposed on all of us.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, like sloppy mustard guy. Did you someone posting on
Blue Sky like this like AI, Like there's all these
AI chatbots and one's called sloppy Mustard guy, and it's
an AI image of someone with mustard all over them.
And the first thing they'll say is like, oh no,
the mustard is everywhere, And I kind.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Of like that. Not gonna lie. I mean, my name
is Jack O'Brien. Hey, don't de playing without me, uh
not warning you in the future time you straight and
right out. Uh now I'm mushing your face. Oh man,

(04:51):
well a message to you, man, well, that one courtesy
is snarfula in reference to the face mush her around
the world. It was just a playful mush.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
It's a playful mush, you know where I had a
very serious face and I was kind of like, what
the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 3 (05:11):
What are you doing to? Oh my god?

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Anyway, teach your stop.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
I'm thrilled to be joined by my co host, mister
Miles Gray.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yes, it's Miles Gray out of the hospital because I
have a new career as a respiratory therapist and registered nurse.
It's Miles Gray. Shout out to people who were checking in,
be like, hey, you're you okay, it's everything okay, Yes,
everything's okay. Just taking care of my mom. Doing great,
doing great, doing great, every day better. But when you
are in your late seventies and that pneumonia hits baby girl,

(05:44):
baby girl, pneumonia hit different.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yeah, they hit that shit hit as they say, but
the kids say, you.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Know that pneumonia hit different when you got past seventy five.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Well, I'm so happy to hear she's doing yes, Edge, yes, yes,
Well Miles. We're thrilled to be joined by a very
funny actor, writer, comedian, sound designer who you've seen on Broadway. Oh, Mary,
If you're very fortunate and we're able to get a
ticket basically the hottest Broadway performance of like the past

(06:18):
number of years.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
That one of the few times you can say the
hottest ticket in town, the hottest ticket in the hot
including the Knicks, and they're in the Eastern Conference from
you've seen them on TV and everything from queers Folk.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
To Brooklyn ninety nine, their award winning podcast One of
Us with Finn and Chris, Please welcome.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Chris ren for Chris. Oh what up, Cuties, Hey, thank
you Chris. What do you think about my facial hair? Chris,
it's hot. It's thank you. I told you, Jack, I
told you. Chris one of the smartest people we've had
on the show.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
It is crazy that, like, uh, you guys are both
very attractive, and I don't know why. I maybe it's that,
like I assume that people do radio and podcast because
they eat, they have a face for radio, But both
of you do have a face for a magazine, you

(07:17):
know what, wow.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
And voices and personalities for a magazine as well. Yeah,
not good in action, but maybe if this was just
like still and you were kind of looking off into
the middle distance.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Like to tell you what you guys have been doing?

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Is that decision?

Speaker 1 (07:35):
It's not what you should be doing.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Oh yeah, this was a miss.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
This is a miss.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Thank you. I can turn any compliment right around into
some manner of like existentially damaging.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
You're going to be thinking about it all way.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Fucked up.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
I should have been a magazine model.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
I should have been a magazine.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
I should a magazine. I told you, get mad at Miles.
I told you I should have been due. It should
have been a fucking scene.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
We had a sliding door situation three and a half
years ago where I could have done radio or B magazine,
and you fucked it crazy fucked me.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
The thing is I left. I left Conde Nast literal magazine, Yeah,
to be just to do that. Man, Chris, where were you?
Eight years ago?

Speaker 3 (08:22):
And I left my first job out of school after
being a pool boy on a butler was ABC News,
working for a show that was categorized as a news magazine.
It was like, they're much worse version of sixty minutes.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
All right, let's just split the difference and we'll just
go maga.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
There we go. Drop. That's that's what I meant.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
You both for giving maga.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
I'm very you'd be attractive for backwards fascists. That's what I.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Have, that vibe. We just need to get the haircut,
the hairstyle.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
I have no hair to speak of. So so you
you got it?

Speaker 3 (08:58):
You look great?

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Wig I will.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, that's always always Lauren's first question. How are you
with wigs? This man?

Speaker 1 (09:09):
How it's a wig work?

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Chris? You are we We did spend the first thirty
seconds of the call just being taken aback by everything
that you have going on in your zoom window. The
background is beautifully appointed, looks like a Wes Anderson shot.
The vest, the facial hair, everything is looking incredible. This

(09:34):
is not a you know, a thing where a show
where we usually compliment one another's appearances quite hostile in
this case. Yeah, it's overwhelming.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, no, it's a nice way to start my day.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Let's kiss.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Let's start and everybody start kissing. Well, we're thrilled to
have you. We are gonna get to know you a
little bit better in a moment. First couple things that
we're talking about a little bit later on, we're gonna
check out with the Pentagon. We you know, there was
word that Pete Hagsath was on his way out. His
dismissal was imminent. He has hung around and it sounds

(10:13):
like things are going good. Miles has the report from
the front line.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yep, as as it can be pretty.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Good, and we might even get to the Nathan for
you or sorry the rehearsal finale, which you know, I
think if anybody Chris, did you watch the rehearsal?

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, I just watched the finale yesterday actually, and I
need to talk to someone.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
I feel like a lot of people are in that book,
in that boat, on that plane with you. Huh. So
we we'll talk about it. It was a lot of fun.
Miles has not watched the finale.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Well, let's spoil it. It's been spoiled. It's been spoiled.
It's been spoiled. It's been spoiled.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
But well, yeah, we'll talk about it all that plenty more.
But first, Miles, just Chris, Miles. We like to ask
our guest, Chris. Yes, we do, Chris, what's something from
your search history that's revealing about who you are? Oh?

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Wait, that's the one thing that I didn't do. Hold
hold time.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
And we love it when you're unprepared for this one
because then we get the truth.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Y'all. Chris was so prepared I did all the other things,
had the recording going the background immaculate.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Okay, so a lot of it is just like online shopping.
To be honest, I have, uh my health plan and
four oh one.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
K okay, hell yeah, congratulations.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Thank you, thank you re signing up for AMC stubbs.
I wish there was like anything interesting. Oh and I
have I have three searches for Aaron Tobate and three
other searches for Devin Sawa. Oh wow, wait, why what's
going on with I think that I was trying to
explain to my my best friend Finn Argus, I host

(12:01):
a co host of podcast with them, one of us,
and I was trying to talk oh yeah, Final Destination.
I was trying to talk about explain like the Final
Destination series and who Devin Sahwa was. But they're incredibly young,
and they just dull things, like we have a vast
chasm of of not political knowledge, yes, political knowledge also,

(12:25):
but pop culture, Like our pop culture references are just
it's like we're we're speaking Spanish and Chinese to each other,
like we just do not understand one another. So so
often I'll have to bring up pictures of like Devin
Sawa or like the original cast of Charmed, and she'll
have to show me who like Olivia Rodrigo is, And

(12:46):
I'm just like, I don't know, I don't know what
that I.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Know of violence to me bringing up Olivia Rodrigo.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
You're trying to make me feel like shit right now?
Is that where you bringing up Olivia Rodrigo? I no,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, we have a seven year age gap, so like
I it's the best way for me to constantly feel
out of touch.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Sure, sure, sure, yeah, Devin saw very iconic, recognizable face.
But I'm realizing it's I think mainly the first final destination.
It's I guess also Slackers. They were in Slackers, Yeah,
But for me it's Little Giants. It's Casper Casper. Yeah,

(13:29):
you know what's the other one in Casper?

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah? Yeah, he was Casper.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
He was the heart throb, right, he he was Casper here,
which is in a way the heart throb.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, well, like yeah, it's yeah, but I just remember
once Little Giants came out and then then he was
on every like Team Pop magazine at the time, and
like I remember all the girls having pictures out of
Devin saw one.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
I was like all right, bro, I think that's where
it is.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Who were your heart throbs growing up? Like who were
you looking up to?

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Boom like, like who did I like? What male did
I want to be like? Or who? Like? Who was
old lady I was lusting after? Uh give me both?
Tyra Banks? When once she got on Fresh Prince, I
lost my mind.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
I how you were saying the Tyra Banks when she
puts on a mustache and like goes under cover with
the figure that you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Didn't that she did that? And she went out in
public like in a fat suit. She's like, I'm going
to spend three hours living the worst experience any possibly
a hot model.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yes, yeah, like walking straight into doors expecting them to
be opened. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah. I was just absolutely loved with Tyra Banks. And
then to the same men Will Smith. At the time,
as a kid, I was trying to be Will Smith.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Also, funnily enough, those are the those are two people
I looked up to also for very office.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
It's right there there at the crossroads of everybody's like
for like sort of personality formation. I feel like, if
you're a certain age.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Yeah, I was Paul Abdul and because of the cold
hearted Snake video. And I was really into Bruce Willis
movies because I saw Diehard when I was too young,
and so Bruce Willis movies were my favorite genre's movies.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
So I thought, that's where you see Jack and I's
age difference.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Also, was very into those two for again very opposite reasons.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
What's your favorite Bruce Willis's moment.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
My favorite Bruce Willis moment is guest starring on Friends
as Rachel's loved dress.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Wow. Okay, okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Bringing that Bruce Willis energy no matter where he is.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
If I've watched many movies with Bruce Willis in them,
he simply must. I really know him as his star
turn as a recurring guest star on Friends.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
That's great. If honestly, Lee, Bruce Willis there in your.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Mind, that's fine. Fine, Really the Diehard films and a
movie called The Last Boy Scout. But then there was
also one that was like for the real heads called
Hudson Hawk that was like known as his bit most disastrous.
Like everyone's like, oh he he was on a heater

(16:24):
and just went way too far and it's like all
like he's completely rewritten the script and hit with his
weird sense of humor, and like the the way that
him as a cat burglar and his friend's time their
burglaries is singing little like jazz standards because.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
None of the words that are coming out of your
mouth right now, Jack makes sense to.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Me exactly, And and I loved it. I was like,
I'm gonna go to the video store and rent Hudson
Hawk again.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Okay, I'm looking Bruce.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Willis is like wanted to be a singer like this.
The secret to his success, The way that he like
always communicated like being sort of annoyed, was that he
was actually annoyed to be there because he never he
thought that he missed his true calling and he should
have been a blues singer.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
The theme of this pod exactly, missed callings, Missed callings.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, could have been a magazine.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
So annoyed to be doing this podcast same, I could
be a fucking getting hair to make up all day.
What is something that you think is underrated? Chris?

Speaker 2 (17:35):
The thing that I think that is underrated is the
Netflix TV show The Devil's Plan. I'm obsessed with this.
They're out on season two right now, and me and
my my ex Eliat. We watched the first season together
and became really obsessed, and then the second season came
out a couple months ago and we've been binge watching
this show and it's just a series of games. But

(18:00):
what is fun for us is that the rules to
each game are so convoluted and long. They genuinely take
twenty minutes out of each episode to explain you the
new Google set, and we love it. We're like, oh,
this is so complicated, it does not make sense. Uh,
it's it's overly verbose. It's fun. It's so fun.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
To just to figure out a Korean show.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
It's a Korean show.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yes, the Doubles Point Show.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Nice. I have enjoyed some that. What was the one
that was different? Sort of physical fitness Physical one hundred,
Physical one hundred. I love that show too. I watched
both seasons of that.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
They also have something called Core Culinary Class Wars where
they pit one hundred chefs from different classes against each other.
Very obsessed with the one hundred model.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yeah, yeah, that's really cool.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
You know what's up next? One hundred men versus Gorilla's.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Idea like chefs who like make street food versus chefs
who are like high dining. Yeah, what a great concept.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
I was obsessed with the Food Network growing up Like
that was my version of an escape growing up in Riverside, California.
Are kind of almost middle nowhere. But just watching like
Anthony Bourdain go around and try street food or drive ins,
diners and dives? Is that the correct series of words?

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Triple might be.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
The right order, but that's the I believe that's the.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Everything we call that. I love that triple D.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Baby, tell them, tell them I need at least three d's.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Hell yeah, what is.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Something you think is overrated?

Speaker 2 (19:45):
What do I think is overrated? In and out? I
just do not get it? Is that too niche?

Speaker 3 (19:50):
For our most common overrated? Basic alert?

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Basic alert, basic alert, basic learn?

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Okay, wait, I want to change mine to uh to
basic human rights?

Speaker 3 (20:04):
No our least nobody thinks that's Wait, so what's your
I mean?

Speaker 1 (20:12):
You said? Are you from Riverside? I'm from Riverside? Oh yeah, okay,
so growing up so cow we know we know in
and out is whatever. It's too. I think for people
who come from outside of California, it's like and fine,
go ahead.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Find yourself like a Baker's find yourself like a candle.
Oh yeah, OK, nobody has real jobs anymore. Become a
candlestick maker, become a blacksmith.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Giving bill maher, this is great, but what what for you?

Speaker 1 (20:42):
What's the part about in and out that to you
is like whatever, just the whole, the whole.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Thing, the whole experience. It's like the the fries are
not good unless you you tell them to make them
well done. It's like, Okay, I shouldn't be telling you
to cook the fries. I think that's a given in
the ordering process. The fact that they just outright refuse
to have vacon. It's like, this is a this is
a burger, not a test. Yeah, put bacon on it.

(21:08):
And then just the long lines of it all. I'm
not I'm not really interested. Lines are overrated.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah right, not a let.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Met We do love a line and just humans will
will just go wait in a line. There's so many
lines all over Los Angeles and yeah, we just the
best thing you can do for your restaurant is have
just incredibly shitty service. Yeah, we're just completely understaff your place.
So there's a line out the door.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Well actually, but then it has to be good enough
that someone's like, yeah, fuck it, I'll wait fifteen minutes
for this Turkish coffee. That's the new spot I see
in the valley. There's a Turkish coffee spot has a door,
a fucking line out the door every morning.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Turkish coffee.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, m hm, up on that.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Pickles or whatever was the latest, like fancy little foody trend. Sardines.
I feel like tin tin fish, tin fish was one. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
I felt like I saw that at every wine bar
that I went to.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, everyone was like, and we also have an amazing
tin fish selection. I'm like, I didn't come here to
eat canned food for meet from the nineteen seventies. And
I get like, because what they do is like like
you know, like that shit people do in Europe, like
we up charge you, We up charge the fuck out
of that for you to do that in a restaurant.
They're like, here's a loose bag. Get in three Kansas sardines. Bus.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
I will say most of the people who say In
and Out's overrated are usually people coming from outside. They've
like heard about it, they've traveled with like In and
Out in mind, and they don't like it. So to
have somebody who is from the home of In and
Out to just be like, nah, it's not good. Is
pretty new.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
I will say thank you for making me feel better.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
I've been racking my brain trying to think of something
else now, Like I guess, uh TikTok is overrated.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Corona, the city of the Circle Cities.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Where did you grow up?

Speaker 1 (23:01):
I grew up in the valley here. But I know,
I mean, I know, I know southern California very well.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah enough.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
To the degree that Miles gets his in and Out
fries medium rare, yeah, he says, don't don't do them too.
That's not a joke, Chris, I get them light. He
mushy ass fry.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
You asked them.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Don't even cook it, I said, come out that you
try to cook it in the first place.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Just put that potato through the slicer and just throw
some oil. Just to put my mouth underneath the fry
cooker me.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Slicer in my mouth. I'll wrap my lips around it.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
You just like potato. This is from my O f man.
Just the thing follow anyway, Let me get my mouth
on that Thing'll.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
You mouth slam your face down on the table on
top of.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
You guys into mook bang.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
I mean, I'm not into it, but I'm always amazed
to see the person eat the amount of food that's
in front of them. That part, I'm like, you really
ate twenty fucking chicken sandwiches like that?

Speaker 2 (24:04):
How Sometimes it's spooky the amount that the people eat.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah, yeah, but for me overall, And no, I'm not like,
I'm not one of those people who like, I'm into
seeing that or then like scratching their nails on the
crispy chicken and be like, okay, just eat whatever. Do
you This ain't for me.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
I didn't know those two overlapped and luck Bang Oh
people will give a shit with the food too.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Mook Bang is under the umbrella of asmr.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Oh, I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, it's like it's a subsection of right, it would be.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
So there's like some sensory experience that they're getting out
of watching people devour like a whole punch bowl of ramen.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, or to eat chipole burritos in a row. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
One time I saw somebody ingest five entire octopus tentacles
and I thought that was rad or cooked.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Were they still squirming?

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah? They were. They were thick. Tell him oop, tell him?
Tell him how thick were they cooked or were they
where they were like they were purple and like rigid,
like a full line.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
They were like they seemed like at most they may
have been boiled.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Right right, like a par boil, blanched even Okay, go
off to Blanche Duboi. I'm up in it.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
All right, Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back.
We'll get into some news that involves cocaine. Have you
guys heard about this stuff cocaine? Be right back and
we're back back, and let's talk about Pete Pete hagg Seth. Yeah,

(25:50):
I hired Pete.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Yeah, as they call him, the d U. I hire
Pete hagg Seth kept this little slightly lower profiles since
all the signal Gate controversies over the last few months,
or people like you're using apps that people used to
buy psychedelic mushrooms with, you're doing like trade like national
security secret talking on there. Oh that's bad, you know,
And then he said the President is backing me. Everything

(26:13):
is under control. It's just the leakers. It's a bunch
of leakers with people that are aggrieved that need to
get sorted out. Well, the last month or so, it's
been pretty chaotic for the Pentagon because Heggsath fired a
fuck ton of people working for him for reasons that
are not that clear. Like he claims it's that they
are leakers of sensitive information and like, you know, like

(26:34):
and that's why they had to go, while others say
he's just completely lost his ability to manage the situation,
and the quote sensitive information is people just telling the
press how much of a shit show it is at
the Pentagon, nothing to do with like sensitive military plans.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
He's like, don't fucking tell them.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
This is a drunk ass shit show in here, right,
fucking knock it off. His chief of staff, Joe Casper,
had to quit after reports of him being shitty to
military personnel and also just generally like he loves to
talk about how big his shits are. This is from
the Guardian quot. Sources also describe more erratic behavior by Casper,

(27:11):
such as him describing a bowel movement in a business meeting.
Quote can I just tell everyone around this table that
I just took an enormous ship right before coming in here?

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Casper allegedly replied, no, you may not, and why would
you think you could.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Also, you should warn us rather than just baking in
the thing that we may resist wanting to hear. Can
I just say the thing he might not want to
hear and then tell me if you want to?

Speaker 3 (27:37):
I thought he was like, yeah, you can tell us
and be like go on, Okay.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
So it sounds like all of the dudes that I
hung out with in high school.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, it sounds like yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Also the way that you say leakers, it feels like
a slur. Yeah, within the like I'm sure it is. Yeah, yeah,
freaking leakers, leakers everywhere.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
It's like they'll be such shitty Like they are inventing
new slurs on a daily basis, and one of the
ones they've recently come up with is pannikins, which are
American and panic but people who are panicking mixed together.
But it sucks. It's just like a bad word that
but like not a bad word as like ooh naughty,

(28:21):
like your your word that you've come up with sucks
ship jack pasobiac. It's not it's not good.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, it's called having your eyes open and realizing what
the consequences are going to be of everything.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Maybe maybe they would be better at coming up with
new slurs. If they bothered to take an art or
poetry class.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
That would require them opening up to a little bit
more empathy, I'm afraid, And that's I think they're there
in lies one of the big problems with their creativity.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
But also the thickens and these fucking empathic ins m
to go go to south today, freak an empathegot.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, here's my here's my hot take. I think that
like if these people did genuinely did the work to
sort of like make us all equal, you know, then
they they could say slurs and they wouldn't have to
try to invent these things, like if we were all

(29:19):
paid equally and we're on the same social equal footing
or whatnot. It actually wouldn't be bad if they said
the f slur, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
I would be like, yeah, go ahead, sing the whole
chorus a gold digger on sensor.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
And that is all they're looking for.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
That's all they want. That's all because they're tired of
saying she she don't looking for no broke broke, you
know what I mean. They want to finish the damn sentence.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Fair, damn it when you see that we see the
chats on Reddit, like that is always what it comes
back to.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah, can't I say they said all the time?

Speaker 3 (29:52):
They say it in their song.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Oh my god. Anyway, look up Hegemon. I don't even
look up Hegemony. Fuck it. Yeah, just go gets your
ass beat or something. So one of the other ousted
advisors also implied that Casper, that former his former deputy staff,
also likes to dabble in the disco fuel as well,
like messily calling around like so it get out like

(30:14):
do you know anything about him doing cocaine? And like
so then that got out that this guy was asking
about Casper's cocaine news. If you were like this is
a mess.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Then who was asking like the guy cocaine? I was like,
do you know about my cocaine news? No?

Speaker 1 (30:29):
No, no, no no. One of the one of the ousted
like advisors that Hegxeth fired because he didn't fire this
guy Joe Casper, the big ship taker, because that was
like his boy. So then to undermine him the others,
this other person's getting mess and like do you don't
like Joe Casper is like hitting that blow cane like
this fucking eighty.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Eight or what I don't know any friendly ghost let
me know, yeah, and it ain't the mattress fan. So
then things again got a little bit more sour because
the White House basically inserted themselves to like it like
in all the Pentagon firings, because they just had to
prevent the clown show from going further.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Down the drain. One advisor asked hegsets lawyer, Hegset's personal
lawyer who he brought onto the Pentagon was tasked with
finding the leaker of like, you know, a military plan
about the Panama Canal, but really he was tasked with
figuring out who is leaking like talking all that shit
to the press. And when the White House said, how
did you come to believe that it was his? Like

(31:27):
the fire deputy chief of staff, his lawyer basically let
it slip that they used in illegal NSSAY wire tap
on the guy. And then the White House advisor was like,
hold the fuck up are you telling me? Hold on,
you cannot have the fucking NSSAY spying on the Department
of Defense, Like that is beyond like even for us,

(31:48):
Like that's just we don't what are you fucking talking about.
And when he realized how fucked up it was. The
lawyer was like, actually, I think like I overheard it
from another person and it wasn't actually the that say,
like wiretap that was done without a warrant. Uh. That
has yet to be resolved. So right now this is

(32:08):
this is everything that's swirling around. They're spying on each other,
they're taking big ships, and they're getting messy about cocaine use.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
They're so proud of their big ships, like Trump has bread.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
No, I don't know why, why is taking a big ship?
Like she's like, yo, look how look at what I
can get up out of my body there.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
You know, I've talked about this before. There is something
like primal and like with with little boys. Again, these
are children like my dad and his older brother used
to save their ships to like compare them to one
another's big ships. What do you mean like toilet to

(32:44):
put it in a shoe box. It's just I wish
you know, No, that's it is what they did when
they were children. What call like.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
A pet caterpillar?

Speaker 3 (32:55):
That you really big pet caterpillar? Yeah, dark times. You know.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Sholahoma built different.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah, Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Philly, And we knew that already.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
We knew Philly was built different. But yeah, this is uh,
this is continuing. There's still no like a lot of
people have asked them, like one of these illegal warrant
list wire taps. We still haven't gotten to the bottom
of it because everyone's playing dumb now as like the
controversies get more intense. But yeah, I'm we'll see what happens.
This is all happening while you know, these are the

(33:32):
people that are actually in charge of the fucking Pentagon,
the fucking war machine, are just you know, frat dudes
do a coke and taking big shits.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
If we had like a well funded like media like
you know, like in nineteen seventies era, like mainstream media.
How many water yates do you think we're averaging a
week at this point from this administration, I'd say three
a day, Like it's a lot, it's a lot. They're
just they're coming through and then just being replaced by

(34:02):
another water kait. They're just not it's not like they're
doing it and it's a secret. They're doing it telling
people about it, being like I didn't know you couldn't
do that. And then the only reason that doesn't become
like front page news is one like everybody scared because authoritarianism,
but also it seems like it's you know, just replaced

(34:25):
by the next one, the next outrage.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
There they're straight up violating protected speech, you know what
I mean. These were things that were like total legal
third rails. They're like, yeah, bro, that's like what are
we talking about? That's the First Amendment. And you look
at like now with Harvard there, you know, Trump's like
you're gonna get fully defunded. And you know, Linda McMahon
who's the Secretary of Education, is basically saying, well, they're
not doing what the what the administration says to do,

(34:50):
and if they run a foul of that, they're wrong.
You're like, okay, well they have free speech rights, like
you can't just say because they're not doing what you
say and towing the line. Now they're up to have
all you know, funds just totally vaporized.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Well you think you have free speech, Well I have
a gun, yeah, right exactly, Okay, that's fine, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
And then even just like they just the the sheriff
that they just pardoned, that he just pardoned, and now
the two the Chris Lies, you know that family that
the reality star people that went to jail there.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
What's the story there? I like, couldn't again, this is
their thing is working on me in that Like, it's
so many new scandals that I'm just like, I don't
fucking want to learn about this reality show couple.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah he was basically, I mean, they they were doing
fucking fraud. They were convicted of fraud, and like we
said on the other show yesterday, convicted of fraud. Like
we said yesterday, if you are white and as long
as you don't kill another white person, you can get
a parted.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yeah, you can get one.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
So they tick all the boxes TV white people Maga
check only did fraud and stole from people? Check, Okay,
you can get.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
A pardon because well, fraud is free speech. Thats right,
It's it's your fault for believing in my free speech.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
I said it, and I can't say it. That's protected speech. Sadly,
I feel like we are probably looking towards some kind
of you know, some kind of like codification of fraud
into our laws to be like, well, if you get got,
you get got according to this new statue.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
I do think that we need a we need a metric.
Somebody needs to start tracking like whip like watergates per
news cycle is like a you know, like what the
what all those like baseball stats that are like what's
their warg We need something like that for this administration,
just like we.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Need like uber metrics for to understand it.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Uber metrics for just the massive flood of corruption.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Okay, let's say that you get some high ranking job
in the government and you're there. You you only have
like a week morals side, what's the biggest scam that
you think you can pull off in a week, Like
in terms of to enrich myself or to like breelish, like,

(37:09):
can you achieve your supermarket suite?

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Are you getting the turkeys or are you going straight
for the uh for the hoses and the tires?

Speaker 1 (37:19):
What are you going for? If I'm like, if I'm
thinking really a macavelion here, I would I would take
something that I know I can cash in later for
something much bigger. It doesn't I wouldn't be looking at money.
I'm looking for like information or something that I'm like, oh,
I could flip this.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
I'm a flipper. The passwords to the New York Stock Exchange.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
I'm a flipper. I'm a I like to flip Yeah,
I'm yeah, Like I like to go to the thrift
store and go thrifting. I'm like, Oh, they don't, they're
they're they're sleeping on this thing. I'm gonna take that.
I'll go sell it to another nation or some ship,
you know.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
I think blackmails are right answer because the the fraud
is so flagrant at this point and you have to
assume at some point it won't be And also it
doesn't seem like it's the thing that any but he
inside the administration is necessarily looking for while they're in it,
because they are all like true believers. So I feel
like you could just like be the was that like

(38:11):
invention of Lying that movie where like nobody else knows
how it ever knows what lies are, Like, you could
kind of be that for like the only person who
realizes that Donald Trump is like committing massive fraud on
a daily basis and just like build, build your case,
get out of there, and then make some money on
the back end.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Chris, you're in the White House. What are you doing?
What are you doing? Uh?

Speaker 2 (38:35):
I think that I'm gonna print myself off a bunch
of different passports.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
That's smart.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, and then I don't know how long that takes.
But if I got a couple extra days, I'll also
hide a plane.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yeah, hide a plane. I mean, with the way the
defense spending is, you could probably get like a jet
or something like a fighter jet. Uh, you know, just
kind of chilling in the corner or something like that.
There are too many of them. There's no way that
they have an Excel spreadsheet tracking where easily walk out
of there with some guns. There's no way that. I mean,
we don't. We can't even track the guns in the

(39:13):
in the fucking cunt and at any.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Like okay, real talk, I would be scared of owning
a gun. I think that I'm just like too, I'm
like too much of a manic pixie dream grow. I
would I would just like be like with doopsy, I
dropped it and it's like fully automatic, you know, just
like twirling around the room. Yeah, whipping around like a snake.

(39:36):
But I would love a military tank.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
That's a stunts.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
No one's going to try to get my parking spot.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Like those people who are like, excuse me, I'm saving
this parking spot, like you can't save spots now watch
this ship.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Yeah, but then you just carefully parallel park. Yeah, the
Pentagon would be the place to target, both because every
buddy seems to be drunken on cocaine currently and also
like even before everybody was drunken on cocaine, they misplaced
like three billion dollars like a few years back. So

(40:10):
I feel like you could you could really just I
don't know, like the scheme from Office Space would work,
you know, just like rounding some rounding errors and suddenly
you have like thirty million dollars in the bank. Yeah, yeah, anyways,
just ideas.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Anyway, Look, if you're a federal worker, please give us
some better ideas. I mean, we came into this cold,
I barely did any research. But if you're a federal
worker and you've got some real tips for us, let
us know.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
I know, I wonder. I'm sure there's like way cooler
things that we just like don't even have the ability
to extrapolate.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Like whatever the doge fuckers like. Obviously they're trying to
get a ton of sensitive information and things like that,
but I'm like, what's like the low hanging fruit of
sensitive information? I could be swooping up.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
They're all going to be like billionaires in the future.
I feel like like the way that oligarchs happened in
after the fall of the Soviet Union was just like
they created all these coupons that were like, Okay, this
coupon gives you access to ten percent of the petrol

(41:14):
industry in Russia, and like one guy just like collected
all those and now he like runs petrol and so
I feel like Doge, like, that's probably what those people
are doing, and they'll be our future oligarchs. Yeah, there
enough to drive I love games.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah yeah, once they're old enough to have a beard.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Anyways, this is probably how people are
thinking about the administration right now, right like, as I guess,
there's the true believers, but then I think there's a
lot of people who are just like.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
People are shameless. It's like if you've been to an
award show and there's been like a gifting suite and
they're breaking it down and people come in like, hey,
can I take this? Can I take the ya? Are
you using this? I'm taking this, I'm taking this, I'm
taking this. I'm taking That's how people are probably looking
at That was a very specific reference to when I
worked events.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
See there were.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Names, I know, there were just times people would come
in trying to get so much free shit because they
thought no one wasn't looking. And you're like, wow, this
really is the human condition, just like get yours if
you have no moral scruples.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
And also there's just like no nobody's like really paying attention.
Like there's this article. I think it was in the Atlantic,
so I didn't read it, but it was they were
talking about how like the usual process really getting access
to the president for an interview. You know, you go
through you get vetted, and then you know you have
to like go through all these official channels you kind

(42:36):
of like say, give your pitch, your one sheet on
like what you want your interview to be about. And
they were like, and you know, we were in this
process for three months. Our story was ostensibly like you're
the most important president leader of the twenty first century,
you know, like ass kissing stuff. Then like then they
could like back into actual questions from and like a

(42:59):
week before the interview, people at the White House were like,
they've written critical things about you, and so Trump like
started tweeting about how much he hated them and like
backed out of the interview. And then a week later
they just called him. They just like got his phone
number and called him and ended up like having a
four hour conversation with him. Anyways, They're just like, yeah,

(43:22):
we actually just like called him. He was at his
golf club and he was in a good mood and
so we talked for four hours. Anyways.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
It's so because is this after Signal Gate where the
fucking editor of the Atlantic was involved in those defense chats?
Like do they remember from that?

Speaker 3 (43:38):
They're like, I think the Atlantic just like has realized
that absolutely everyone's asleep at the wheel. Now. It's just
like you can just like walk right in and meet
with the president.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
That's Cristy. I was. I was in the I was
in the Capitol. They said Trump's phone number was written
on a bathroom stall.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
I called it.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
That was his phone.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Straight up call for.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
A good time, for a great interview.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back,
and we're back. We're back, and we're going to talk
about the rehearsal the HBO show. I don't know how
many people have watched it, so we probably need to

(44:23):
give people the background on like what the show is.
It's very very difficult to explain, but yeah, I think
people know Nathan Fielder from Nathan for You, right, And the.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
First season of rehearsal where like the conceit was like
what if you could rehearse an interaction over and over
again so you felt like you were in better control
of it.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
Yeah, they the first season, the things that they did
is like somebody had an awkward conversation that they had
to have, and so they like built a bar where
they would be having the conversation and like did all
this stuff and got them prepared, had brought in actress
to play the person they would be having the conversation with.
And then they the second through sixth episode, we're all

(45:04):
about like somebody who wanted to have a kid but
like didn't know if they were ready and was just
a fascinating character. So they they rehearsed the entire process
of raising a child from like birth up through like
teenage years.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
This one, I'd say it's probably best to just just
if you haven't seen this season, is just to say
that this time Nathan Fielder has a very very intense
interest on airline safety, and will literally stop at nothing
to try and find a solution for why planes keep crashing.
And when I say literally anything, any fucking mean it

(45:43):
And I don't really want to. I haven't seen this
this the finale. Although I do know what the big spoil,
the big event is has been spoiled. I don't care
because everything the journey up into this point is such
a fucking it's your mind will be blown in so many,
so many ways over and over again.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
It's wild how tinly it is too, Like there's no like,
how did he pick this as like a thing to
focus on this season? Yeah, and as it's coming out,
we have all of the disaster after disaster after disaster
in the news about planes crashing.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
So here's my dark conspiracy theory.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
He's doing that.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
He was making this show at a time that where
there hadn't been an American aviation disaster in like a decade.
He needed something to happen. I'm just saying, no, I
don't think he planned it to that degree, but everything
short of that is within play with I.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Mean, the one thing I thought was like, as someone
who was an insufferable Malcolm Gladwell reader, I was like,
this is from Outliers.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Yes, the whole thing is this is any Malcolm Gladwell's
was racist. Yeah, he's like, because you know Asians, it
was this So basically his theory that I mean, you
learn in the very first episode. So I don't feel
like this is foot this is spoiler, but there's like
really good. Like one of the things that they do
a recreation of is they take the black box recordings

(47:11):
from actual plane crashes and then have pilots reenact what
is happening in the cockpit as these crashes happen, and
there are these just awkward interactions between the pilot and
a co pilot who's like, yo, we're going to crash,
but like the pilot is like, no, what are you
talking like that one pilot who's like it's a woman

(47:35):
who is the co pilot, and he's just like so stupid,
this is my plane, Like you know, it's like such
a dick and then they crab it dies on the plane.
But it's basically the theory is that they don't have
open enough lines of communication between pilots and co pilots
to a degree that that hierarchy they're being a pilot
and co pilot leads to co pilots not saying things

(47:59):
when something horrible is about to happen, which is like
their job. Their job is to like they have a
matching set of steering instruments right next to them, and
they're supposed to be there to say, Okay, my plane,
I'm taking over control because you're fucking this up for
whatever reason. There's like something you can't see in the situation.
There's something that you've like just like kind of you're

(48:21):
having a situation where you can't like properly fly the plane.
And a lot of times people, even though they know
they're headed for trouble, like won't do that. The co
pilots won't do that. And so his theory is like
you need to find a way to open up that
line of communication through kind of rehearsing or like putting
them in little situations where they get better at communicating.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Right. Yeah, this finale, I haven't seen it, but it
it's it's it's it's quite a moment from what I'm reading.
But I don't know if that's really the emphasis of
the main thing around it, like whether it's the exact finale.
But Chris, I don't know how did you feel about
the show before we kind of dive into what the
show is trying to do, what it could be doing,

(49:05):
or what it maybe wasn't doing.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
So I was already obsessed with the show. I loved
season one, I love Nathan for You, I really enjoyed
the Curse, And then watching this finale, my jaw was
on the floor the entire time. Just the absolute scale
of this. I'm going to try to talk around spoilers,
but he did, I guess he did. You prepare for
the finale for two and a half years leading up

(49:29):
to it, so like even before filming, So just how
long that this man has been working on this project
is insane. I've never done anything remotely fractional to the
degree that this guy is doing things right. And I

(49:49):
found myself like my heart was racing through this finale.
My jaw was on the floor. I was texting friends
and being like, please watch this with me right now.
And it and it doesn't completely feel like it's not
like it's just spectacle there. I enjoy the fact that

(50:10):
there is like an intellectual angle to it, like he's
doing it for a purpose, he's doing it to it
seems like actually affect good change, hopefully through the lens
of comedy and absurdism, and it's just it's really admirable.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Yeah, that's how I felt when he was the giant
baby breastfeeding.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
That really from yeah, he's just being waterboarded, but by
milk breast milk boarded. He really like walks the line
between like is this are we watching a person with
a having a mental health crisis who's about to like

(50:54):
endanger the lives of a bunch of people, or like
is he a genius? You know, that's like kind of
the line that he's walking at the through Throughout the series,
there is like one point from the finale that I
don't think spoils anything, but I think really like drove
the whole thing home for me of like the pilot
co pilot dynamic. At one point, he's like in a

(51:15):
in the back seat of an Uber and the Uber
driver is scrolling through TikTok while they're driving, and.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Then like phone in the dashboard.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Yeah, phone in the dashboard. I'm like, oh, yeah, I've
had that, especially like more and more recently, I've like
had that and I haven't said anything. And that's exactly
what they're talking about with the co pilot like that
they're doing something dangerous that could get you and them killed,
and you're like, yeah, but I don't want to have
like an awkward conversation like that would be so awkward

(51:48):
if I like said that, And what if they gave
me like a lower rating.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
What if they lowered your casket six feet into the ground.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
It's kind of a b It's so interesting. I wonder
if this is like a phenomena of modern society or
if there is, like is there an analogous situation to
folks in the past. We're built on this on like
so many mechanisms of having to trust strangers like ubers,
taxi drivers, airline pilots and things, and like these awkward

(52:20):
conversations and having to scirt around them and like kind
of betting our lives.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Like is there something.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Yeah, I mean, I think food safety used to be
a big thing that like harmed and killed people a lot,
and it was just like stuff up the supply chain
from you that you just had to be like, man,
I hope, I hope this isn't poison and a lot
of times it was.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
I hope this canned fish is not poisoned.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
I just remember the story like typhoid Mary, who was
the person who like created a lot of the or
like contributed to a lot of the typhoid outbreaks in
New York. In I think it was like the late
nineteenth century, was just somebody who was head typhoid but
her head typees but like it was just shedding it,

(53:09):
but it wasn't killing her. She was like a host
that could just like hold it and just give it out,
and she just kept like cooking for more. Like she
would get caught, they'd want to like put her in
an institution. She'd disappear and then go like work for.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Another family, and like everybody was just like incredible diva,
like you can't amazing get in the bag exactly.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
She's like, this is where I'm good at. She had
like a famous peach cobbler that everybody was like, oh
Mary or peach cobbler, but like they would all die
and then like a week later she'd be like, well,
I guess I gotta go go do this again somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
But I guess it is the I guess maybe the
thing you're getting that Chris is like, is it just
because of like this sort of like European drive concept
of social hierarchy versus like, you know, we look when
you look at the examples of like European hierarchies or
maybe indigenous cultures that have hierarchies, but but like responsibilities
are distributed a little bit more equally, like not in

(54:10):
a place you're like, I could never say anything to
the person in this position, which feels very much like
coming out of like our monarchist sort of like conception
of like power structures or things like that. I wonder
if that's kind of a specific thing. I don't know
if like that's kind of like what's always breeding this
idea of like you have a place where you do
not want to sort of rock the boat from wherever
you're at, it's sort of like the base level where

(54:32):
people operate from. And then then there are other people
who just you know, aren't really bothered by that, aren't
burdened by it to speak their mind.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Crazy of you to think that I was smart enough
to ever think that that was my point.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Because the more I know, the more I we like
learn about like indigenous you know, culture and how it's
structured and so different and so anti capitalist and antithetical
to everything that ills us. Now, I'm like, oh, like
this sort of like ye slocks right in with the
idea that if you are here you cannot say shit
to someone up here and don't even think about it.
You should try to get up there if you want

(55:07):
to talk something to them or whatever. It's like, it's
just not part of our culture to be able to
like call some shit out without fear of retribution.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Yeah, there's a whole massive, you know, libraries and libraries
of information about you know, indigenous cultures that is just
being ignored because they didn't have immune systems that were
prepared for people who lived in pig shit, and so
we were like, well, we must be superior to them then,
right right, and so we won't learn all these like

(55:37):
beautiful philosophical ideas on how to organize your culture.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
But we are now, you know, as more people have
an interest in me more and more.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
But yeah, yeah, that's that book, The Dawn of Everything
is about. It's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Damn, the world would be so different if the tables
were turned just ever so slightly. It's just like one
hundred and eighties, ever so slightly exactly the opposite. It's
like if the Europeans who came over actually were not
prepared for the sicknesses that the indigenous people were. Just like, yeah,
and George over there ain't doing too good, but he'll

(56:12):
probably make it through.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Just don't talk to him.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
They're like, I'm gonna talk to him, right, We're good.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
I mean, we're just like not like just they The
only way that the European settlers were able to like
come in and colonize the Americas was because everybody just
died off. It was like an apocalypse happened, and then
you know, all of these battles and like you know,
the things of like cowboys versus Indians, was just that

(56:40):
that's like the remnants they were fighting, the post apocalyptic
remnants of people who had like ninety five percent of
their population have been wiped out by disease. So like,
just if that hadn't happened, that would have been plenty
to just keep things even. But I don't know, anyways,
we should get back to the rehearsal. This is about

(57:00):
manifest destiny, man, you know, in many ways, try and
manifest that.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Shit, what do you have a situation in your life
right now that you could use a rehearsal for like,
is there a conversation or something looming in your head
that you wish that you had Nathan Fulder on hand?

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Yes? Yes, yes, yes, what is that? Let's open the
I want to tell Jack I've been lying about who
I am for the best seven Oh my god, I
did not go to STU go to seven years. I
didn't go to college.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Jack.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
This isn't even a microphone. It's like I'm holding and
I've been getting away with it. I don't know, ah
man a situation. I think I would have used one
when I told my grandparents I wasn't going to get
baptized when I was like eighteen, I was running that
shit through my head. They're always like, you should get baptized, baby,
you should get bad you should get saved, baby, you

(57:49):
should think about it because you know you only had
a dedication. You should get a baptism. And I was
like the whole time, I'm like, bro, I am so
off this religious shit like it is to me, it's
it's like fucking everything up around or I see it
as a huge driver of a lot of bad things
around me historically and currently. And then I the best
I did. I remember getting really high and it hit me.
I was like, wait, okay, we'll flip. And I remember

(58:10):
I went to my grandparents house. They brought it up again.
I said, you know, Grandma and Grandpa, I don't think
I want to get baptized. But if I met Jesus,
he would think I'm doing shit right. He wouldn't say
I need to really tighten up. He would be like, Okay,
that dude is all right. And that's how I look
at it. And I don't know if I need to
have a baptism to be a good person, but I
do say that I treat others with respect, and I
see that I say that as a baseline. And they

(58:32):
were like, oh I never I didn't.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
Okay, okay, And I was like, thank god. I thought
they were gonna be like that got fuck out. But
they're loving people and it wasn't that big of a deal.
But that was That was a conversation I definitely rehearsed
many times in my head.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
In your head, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you think
the Fielder method would have worked on your grandparents?

Speaker 1 (58:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
That's where actors follow people around them. It's all so creepy.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
The primaries Yeah, what about you, risk you have a
you have a rehearsal moment that you could have used. Hmmm.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
I'm really good at speaking my mind, I think so
maybe it's like kind of the opposite. I probably need
someone to like intervene and be like, actually, maybe we
don't need to have that conversation.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Tongue holder if you will, Yeah, no, no, no, let's
hold your tongue and.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Give you a take back on this one. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Yeah, I need like an instant replay right right, right right,
instant redo.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Mm hmmm, hmm.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
What about you, Jack, Yeah, I think I think I
would get more in my head if I had rehearsals.
I think I think I have kind of the opposite
situation where like I just need to do the thing
because I ruminate too much on things already and like
over prepare.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
I could see you getting fucked up by like a curveball.
Like if you had rehearse the thing over and over
and the first interaction wasn't something on the chart, you'd
been like, fuck.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
And I do have a chart, and I have I
have this whole conversation branched out, and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
This isn't on my diagram. You're just holding a stone
tablet as you talk and good, okay, we did. So
that leads to this yes, I am having a good day,
and how is your husband? Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Check, check check.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
But yeah, I mean this rehearsal thing, I think, is
it the communication or is it capitalism? You know?

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
That's right, Like, so that's that's one point that people
have been making. I mean, it is a good point
that communication breakdowns have caused problems in the past. It's
also not like a new idea. I think the show
does kind of I think it acknowledges that some people
have pointed this out before, but it does make it
seem like this is like kind of a completely new idea, right,

(01:00:46):
And it's it's not. There's a lot of like group
dynamic industries that focus on people being able to like
rehearse or like do little games of role playing where
people just kind of get in the right energy space
and it is really interesting like that something as silly
as like okay, I am captain all years and your

(01:01:10):
first officer blunt and just like something that silly, but
like it just energetically like changes the dynamic of like
two people who haven't really met or talked.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
All right, start with space work. Start with space work,
that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
I mean, yeah, talking about space work. I feel like
I come from an improv background. I did a lot
of it, and I think that all improv is rehearsing
for the unrehearsable. I think there's like a lot, a
lot in my mind, Like I'm naturally like an anxious
person first, like in terms of like these conversations that

(01:01:45):
we're talking about, like the big ones of not wanting
to get baptized or like coming out as queer or whatever,
but like something about you can't prepare for those, but
if you can prepare for the unpreparable, that feels good.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
I can get in his mind space and be like, oh,
I get why you would want to do this, right, Yeah,
because at.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Least if you've, if you've felt the sort of sensation
of like, oh I need to adapt and listen and
quickly do something like this. Yeah, it does sort of
set the bar for you, at least with confidence to
you know, encounter those kinds of moments.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
But yeah, going back to just uh, and this is
a bit of a recurring theme on this podcast. So
Nathan Fielder is a comedian. His interest is in interpersonal awkwardness,
but like the bigger problem with aviation safety as capitalism
and airlines and aerospace manufacturers putting profits first and needs
of workers and passengers behind profit and underfunding regulatory agencies

(01:02:44):
like the FAA while giving huge tax breaks to profitable
companies like Boeing. But it's you know, communication and the
cockpit and things like this that are failings of the employees,
are things that those corporations actually point to to try
to escape culpability, like they'll they'll be like, well, look,

(01:03:05):
this was actually just a failing of the flight crew,
right error, Yeah, operator error, when in fact, like a
lot of the times, it's because people are being overworked
and not being given enough rest, and like the regulations
that were put in place to protect the passengers on

(01:03:25):
their planes is getting bent or like push in a
different direction because it's no longer you know, that FAA
just is. It's like the FDA, all all those things,
all those agencies that just don't have the money or
the manpower that a massive corporation does.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
In the United States, it's like in a very dangerous way,
like anti worker too, because in that one episode, all
the pilots talk about it is like well, you can't
tell them you're having any kind of emotional distress that
they will fucking ground your ass, and so your whole
job depends on you tending nothing is wrong with you
ever too. And I'm like that's not good, Like it

(01:04:05):
can't be that you said, like, we only are interested
in people that can actually you know, they can fucking
compartmentalize to the point that we don't know what's going
on behind those eyes. That's what we're looking for.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
I don't love to hear that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Yeah, I'm like, don know about that. I'd like I
prefer situation where someone goes, you know, I'm a little
stressed and overwhere I think I need to, I need
I need to, I need a few days. You know.
That's that feels a little bit safer. But yeah, And
I think that was also one of the moments in
that show too that really touched me, were like when
he was just using like crew people to like engage

(01:04:37):
these other pilots to just have conversations and these people
were so starved for like conversation. That hit me in
a way when I was like, oh my god, like
these people feel so I mean, obviously these are the
people that they got to be on the show, but
at least this sort of sub section of pilots that
they had on the show felt so in need of,
like being able to talk about what's.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Going on or just yeah. Actors would come up and
be like, how's your day going, and they'd be like,
I guess it goes back to my mom, you know,
and I feel like it was to get their chest.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Yeah, and that's on patriarchy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
That's that's the second sentence.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Yeah, it's just like there's so much culture around like
keeping your emotions tight, like we've built these structures, like
like that's just built into like these cultures. Now, emotions
are gonna be they're bad, they're not good. You do
not talk about them. Tough enough, do your job and
if you funk up, that's on you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
That's why Malcolm Liwell was right, you know in many
ways as it comes back to spot on, bro, they're
just they're too respectful.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Really doesn't what it is? They're too polite? Oh thanks?

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Oh really Canadian? Is that right down to being rice
farmers for so long? What you know?

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
What's going on now? Look at the size of their hands,
the space between their thumb and ring finger, I'm like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
The fuck the space wild politios.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Yeah, we've got problems with politikins. There's now a massive
pilot shorges. By the way, they're around eighteen thousand fewer
commercial pilots than the industry needed in twenty twenty three,
and people haven't stopped flying since twenty twenty three, and
in fact, I feel like it's gone up a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Well, what say is because the benefits suck. You don't
want to be a pilot no more.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
It's just these dang pilots are too weak.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Yeah, quote overworked to the point of fatigue due to
disruptions in last minute schedule changes. As a pilot's union said, huh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
They're too woke. We need them to be overworked in
us sleep exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
That's right, that's right too damn woke. Well, Chris, it
has been a true pleasure having you on the show Pleasure,
True Pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Tp DP.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Where can people find you? Follow you, hear you all
that good stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
You can find me on Instagram at the meat Skeleton. Yeah,
m e a t uh And you can listen to
my podcast One of Us with Finn and Chris that
I co host with my best friend Finn Argus. It's
a mixed between improv and candid conversations. It's really really

(01:07:27):
beautifully sound designed as well. It's a fun little escape.
And it's also not to be confused with one of us,
the Christian Worship Podcast. I have to search one of
us with Finn.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
What if God was one of.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Oh? I wonder if that is what the Christian Worship
Podcast is like, based on that song that blew their
fucking mind?

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
Like, whoa did you just fucking hear what Joan Osborne
fucking said?

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
I'm sorry, stranger, a stranger.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
One of us? Oh my god?

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Yeah, yeah, you're on the bus trying to make way home.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
God is good.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
I was like, what the fuck is this? Y'all?

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Ninety five is cooked?

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
Is there, Chris a work of media that you've been enjoying?

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
I guess I already burned that with in the talk
about the rehearsal and the uh the Devil's Plan, But
I do I did screen grab a couple of tweets
that I that really got me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
We liked that recently. If that if I can share
one of those.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Ye, yeah, it's I don't know how to try to
translate a tweet into this audio format.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
So, MA, should I just recite it to you? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Yeah, yeah, that's how we do it, Okay. So the
premise of this one is my first day in a
drug cartel. The kingpin says, where's the coke? Me is pepsi? Okay,
and then later police officer. This is the most bullet
holes we've ever seen in a single party.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Who posted that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
I really got me crying U the the name is
just Aaron?

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Okay, shout Aaron. Don't funk around.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
This is the most bullet holes we've seen in a
single body.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Tying back in that coke.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Line, that coke, that cocaine. Miles. Where can people find
you as their work of media?

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
You've been in find me everywhere? When you got the
at symbols at miles of Gray. There's basketball talk ahead
on Miles and Jackot Mad Boosties and if you like
ninety day Fiance ahead o hooy, and if you like
ninety day Fiance talk with a very faded host and
co host, check me out on four to twenty day Fiance. Now,

(01:09:50):
let's see works of media, a work of media. Yes,
on Blue Sky. Uh, there was this the Onion. This
is from a few days ago. It's just like this,
Like you know, they you know how they always have
like a stock photo of someone for their headlines, Just
like this, buttoned up a white dude in a suit.
It says, very important man. One of the main guys
where he works. Guys, So that descriptions him. Fucking killed

(01:10:18):
me because that's something people just used to. Actually, he's
one of the main guys where he works. Oh, he's
one of the main guy. Yeah, he's one of the
mean dudes.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
And then another one at Brendel Board dot Bescot on
social posted, ah, my greatest foe someone who's politics are
ninety five percent identical to my own.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Fucking losers people. Let's see work media. I've been enjoying
tweet from lev At a book of symbols, tweeted Witness
Protection program, but for when you just kind of suck
and need a new start.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
I think that's just a good pitch.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
And then David Grissman tweeted, ideally the rehearsal not be
funded by HBO, but rather by the Work Progress Administration
as a project of the new Deal. We need that.
Sesame Street and the rehearsal, you should both just be
public works.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
I'm with that. I'm with that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O
Brian and on Blue Sky at jack Obi and then
the Number one. You can find us on Twitter and
Blue Sky at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at the Daily Zeitgeist
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episode wherever you're listening to it, and there you will
find the footnotes is where we link off to the

(01:11:35):
information that we talked about in today's episode. We also
link off to a song there that we think you
might enjoy. Miles, is there a song that you think
that people might enjoy?

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Yeah, Man, Stereo Lab one of my favorites. I was
just listening to them over the weekend and there's a
track called Diagonals that's really fucking dope. It's just again.
Stereo Lab is just that good, that feel good music
to have around your house, like most music you know,
but this one is great. It's got nice vocal melodies,

(01:12:06):
it's got a really funky drum break at the beginning.
So check it out. Diagonals by Stereo Lab.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
All right, we will link up to that in the
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Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Bye bye, bye bye. The Daily Zeite Guys is executive
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Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Co produced by Victor Wright

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