Rapture Gooning, Jesse <3 Stephen? 10.09.25

In episode 1945, Jack and Miles are joined by host of Go Home Bible, You're Drunk and White Homework, Tori Williams Douglass, to discuss… Rapture? Jesse Watters Is Either F**king Stephen Miller’s Wife Or Is F**king Stephen Miller, Going Woke *Doesn’t* Mean Going Broke? And more!

1. Jesse Watters Is Either F**king Stephen Miller’s Wife Or Is F**king Stephen Miller
2. ‘Go woke, go broke’? New study challenges claims progressive films flop at the box office
3. Know Your Meme: "Get Woke Go Broke"
4. Contrarian Cli-Fi 0.08: The Last Centurion
5. John Ringo is a caricature of a wingnut
6. Conservatives Take Aim at ‘One Battle After Another’: “Year’s Most Irresponsible Movie”

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
And you cann't tell because my thumb is this shape.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
But you know I could tell. What do you mean
this shape? Got the old tom.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Shorties?

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Those are like regular as thumbs to me.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Thank you, don't try. Don't try to make it like
your thumbs are popping like that, Catherine. They look like
regular ass thumbs to me.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Your thumbs are better than me. Oh you think you
say your thumbs are better than me? Huh, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
I'm actually like really good at a thumb war because
even though they're too short, they are really strong, so
like I just reach over and grab them.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Oh do you?

Speaker 4 (00:39):
But you should make a movie like Rudy about your
thumb when you do a thumb wore?

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Are you going at the base? Are you going? Are
you trying to go over? Are you like I'm over
the top like that movie.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
Oh, over the top, like Slash Life alone.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
You come over the top with the thumb war.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Oh ship, that's a good part is if you chigo
one two, three four I declared, And then before you
get thumb war, you just fucking do it.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
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that's allowed. Cheated. One two blitz Greek go.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
That's actually the best strategies before before the game starts,
you just start scoring buckets on the other team.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Exactly. It's just during warm ups. These count right, These
count right just under the swish switch switch switch, these
can count for one. I don't care.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
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Speaker 4 (01:52):
This is a podcast where we take a deep bave
into America's share consciousness. And it is Thursday, October ninth.
Damn another nine show up Nines. The Nines are coming
up twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
What a dude? This is?

Speaker 3 (02:05):
This is so stupid, you know how I'll read off
the days and like they'll just be like l's it's
like kiss a cop Day or some shit. First of all,
I rench a cop. It's a National moldy cheese Day. Uh,
and then also pro life cupcake Day.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
What the fuck is dumb ass shit? Anyway?

Speaker 4 (02:26):
I prefer my cupcakes to be a little more progressive.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
But thank you, I like to might be moldy like
the cheese. Where's the day for that fucking cupcakes? So
is that like you buy a cupcake for a pro
life hos?

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Who knows?

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Maybe that's the convinced someone to see the light by
getting them, like, maybe treat someone to a cupcake.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Who's thinking that's what it took?

Speaker 4 (02:48):
What if I just came out of pro life because
someone got me a cupcake? I was like, I'm sorry, guys,
was the last time you got me a cupake?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Somehow? It wasn't money or these other things. It was
a cupcake. Really charmed by this cupcake.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
My name is Jack O'Brien aka he's bopping downstairs now?

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Whoa Obama walks?

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Good?

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Hey? That one courtesy of snarfulaw on the Discord, in
reference to Donald Trump's seething jealousy over how well Obama
walks downstairs. Yeah, just rubbing that shit in our faces,
rubbing his flexible functional knees in our faces.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
You can't do that. You can't be boop poop poop.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
You gotta walk down cool and slow with your legs
locked out like a robot from a nineteen fifty sci
fi movie.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
That's the way, just my rigid right leg has nothing
to do with prefrontal prefrontal dementia or whatever the experts
are trying to say on the internet.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
It's called swag.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined as always buy my
co host, mister.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Miles Gras Miles Great, He Mayo capes cape me. Really
excuse me? Sex you will? Feeling is sex you will?
Phelis baby Mayo blows my mind. Okay, shout out to Parkula.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
We're talking about how Stephen Miller is a Mayo guy
a few days ago, which is we knew that without
even knowing that.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
We knew that could we knew that, Yeah, he was
a Mayo guy before anything else that that was just assumed,
baseline presumed Mayo guy. Miles were thrilled to be joined
in our third seat by a brilliant anti racism educator, activist, writer,
creator of the acclaimed podcast White Homework.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
It's Tory Williams Douglas.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Hi, thanks for having me back. I'm so excited. This
is the perfect week for me, specifically to be here
as a Portlander who did not get raptured.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah right, damn Portland, and we are sorry about that.
We're yeah, not the not the not the federal invasion,
about the right, No.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
No, no, about the rapture. Yeah, because one of those is
made up exactly.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Wait which one? Which one's?

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Tune in later for my overrated Uh yeah, hell yeah,
how is uh?

Speaker 2 (05:07):
What's I mean?

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Like, I think every time we have a guest on
where the Magical the Fash across America tour lands in
their city, I'm guessing things feel shitty, a little muted
because these people rolled up. Although you know, I'm sure
all the action is limited to like two blocks of
a city, but they're gonna say your whole city's melting down.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Well, I mean the video that they posted it was
like again a beautiful day, like the video that like
the whatever the fash influencers Betty Johnson Johnson postings like
it was like a beautiful day. There was some some
media and a guy in a chicken suit.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
I mean every time they say they're invading, it's like
it's gorgeous out What the fuck are you talking?

Speaker 4 (05:51):
I know?

Speaker 1 (05:51):
So yeah, yeah, it is deeply overrated.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah, well, I mean just also just but the vibes
instantly go down and you're like, oh my god, the
goons are in town again.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Well, yes, in the in that like particular neighborhood, but
that the bikes have already been down there. I think
I've mentioned this before, because the ice facility and the
Tesla dealership are like right next to our neighbors.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
It's perfect.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
It's just a NonStop like there's always just a couple
of people there with signs. Yeah, pretty much all day
every day because it's a twofer, you know, and so yeah,
have to.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Get fucked in your general direction.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, yeah, to that, to that part of that.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
And it's like it's not a through street, so they're
not like blocking traffic or anything. Kind of it's sort
of a little bit of a dead end sort of situation.
And people just like drive their Tesla's past the protesters
every day and then the protesters are like across the
street from the Ice facility.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
It's a whole thing.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
But you're not going to get any help in there
if you're a Tesla. Tesla's customer service notoriously, they're like,
I don't know, man, we don't really have people who
work here, so you're kind of on your own.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Come talk to our bot.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Oh man, Yeah, I saw a Tesla getting towed out
of my neighborhood yesterday and I was like, oh, well,
there it goes.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
There it is dust. Couldn't have less sympathy for anyone
into Tesla Tory. We're thrilled to have you. We're going
to get to know you a little bit better in
a moment. First, we're going to tell the listeners a
couple of things we're talking about. We're going to delve
further into whatever sexually is going on between Stephen Miller,
his wife, and Jesse Waters, because the vibes are strange.

(07:33):
We talked yesterday about Jesse waters interview with Stephen Miller's
wife where he like opened it up being like, so
you're married to Stephen Miller, you must be the envy
of every woman in America. And it was like, buddy,
that was definitely sarcastic. Wait a second, and he like
kind of doubled down in a way that what it's

(07:55):
hard to read. Does he want to like be the
third in their relationship or is he mocking Steven Miller? Right,
you'll you'll be the judge. We're gonna play some clips
and we'll talk about the question of whether going woke
means going broke when it comes to the performance of movies,
which spoiler Alert does not. But before we get any

(08:18):
of that toy, we do like to ask our guest,
what is something from your search history that's revealing about
who you are?

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Well? I was trying to remember what animal or species
evolved before sharks, because I know that sharks evolved like
a shit ton long time ago.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Like millions of years, right, Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Like hundreds of millions of years if I recall correctly,
and so I was like, wait, what came before that?
And then I wound up on what I think is
an AI website. It's called Oldest Oldest dot org. So
I was checking that out. Is great, They've got a list.
Some of them look like they could be right, horseshoe, crab,

(08:58):
jellyfish over five hundred million years, elephant shark it says
four hundred million. I don't but I don't know, and
so I was like, ooh, I'm going to do some
more research and see if this is an AI website
or not. And I think that it is because the
the animal that you can see the oldest animal you
can see, you know, that's visible to the naked eye

(09:18):
on this website, so like something post bacteria or something
that came after bacteria evolved our tenophors. I think I
pronounced that right. Comb jellies, and on oldest dot Org
claims that comb jellies experience about half of the same
disease as the humans do, and I was like, I
don't think that's right. I got a little cold, like

(09:43):
wait a second, So then I had to do a
deep dive into that do comb jellies have the same
diseases as humans? And Google AI tells me no, I
couldn't find the research that oldest dot org looked up
or said they're like the NIAH is doing research on
comb jelly's because they're trying to figure out how to
like solve disease. And I was like, again, I can't

(10:04):
find this NIH paper that they failed to link to.
So anyway, I'm just trying to figure out, like what
what animals evolved first?

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
It's a shame that you end up on some like
ai slop website that's clearly just shitting out listicles. I'm
looking at oldest dot org here, and I'm like, oh
my god.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
And it's a little bit like Internet nineteen nights, like
circa nineteen ninety eight, like the images, and so it's
weird because it's like AI slot plus like old timey Internet.
And I'm just like, I don't know what to make
of the old and new just making shit up on
the Internet. The Internet does want to do.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
I like how my cursor changes into a sparkly wand
when I hover over the links, like an old GeoCities
website of old.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
Horseshoe crabs are the most ancient looking thing. Like when
you look at those, you're like, oh, this is like
out of old motherfuckers. Yeah, this is this couldn't look
any more or like it was a first draft. That
is just like kind of still hamming around. Oh yeah
that thing, Yeah, you flip that thing over. It's like
a fucking horror movie in there, man.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
They always get flipped over on the Jersey shore, on
the beach of the Ocean City, and it's just fucking
gnarly under there because they live for a long time
and they get like barnacles and all these like other
things like growing on them.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Can you eat them?

Speaker 4 (11:28):
Horseshoe crabs, Yeah, not that I've ever heard of. They're
mainly like plates and hard things. I don't think you'd
want to eat a horseshoe crab.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
The one place I'm seeing a horseshoe crab thing is
bush Guide one oh one. So it sounds like you're
probably not choosing to eat a horseshoe crab. Sure, okay.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
Also, you're probably not on bush Guide looking for this information.
I think you got to here going going for something else.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
I'm on bush Guide trying to go figure out what's
going on with these crabs in.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
My bush deserted Island.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Reddit, Reddit and Wikipedia, like that's the only thing that
I like go to. There's just a r slash Revolution
or our slash evolution from five years ago. It has
all the information that you need. It's and then AI
is just remixing that ship over and over again. It
looks like a website from two thousand and eight, because
that is what they're remixing.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
They're just chopping it up. Oh no, you can eat
them inland, Okay, I'm sure you could.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
I need a high horseshoe grab before I hit a
New Jersey, like a Jersey shore one that's yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah, the Jersey Shore ones all have like drug problems
and ship Yeah, like that's what higher rubbery.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
They're high. Yeah, they're high on cocaine that gets left water.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
But I like I saw one that was had washed
up and I like flipped it back over and it
just pulled a reverse like it was just like looking
at me and just like reversed into the ocean like
Homer Bush Gift.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was kind of cool.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
WHOA what is something you think is under hat toy?

Speaker 1 (13:01):
I have to say underrated for me recently is if
you have kids the seven eleven app, because they give
you discounts on like Slurpees and ship and my kids
love that stuff. So I've been going in there and
my kids just get all their little treats and it
comes up to like four dollars and all you have
to do is give them like your cell phone or
your email, And I think that that is a worthwhile

(13:22):
trade off for seven eleven kids.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
Part of kids, do you have like a special seven
eleven email that.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Hotmail dot com?

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah aol, Yeah, but it's it's great if you, like me,
give your kids treats that you grew up with as
a child, that most millennial parents don't allow their children
to have. Like, you know, blue slurpies.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
A Slurpees are so good, Jack kids have blue slurpies.
Not yet.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
It's like looking back at what I was drinking at
their age, Like I was on a like I had
a strong preference in the pepsi versus coke debate at
age seven. I was like, I'm a pepsi guy. Get
this coke out of here. Yeah, Like, my kids have

(14:17):
never had a pepsi.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
I'm sure they've never had a pepsid. Be fine, they've
never had like a caffeinated beverage.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Okay, but I need to float an idea here. Guys,
Look how young we all look.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
J Free Yeah, but Jack was drinking all that shit though.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
I know I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
This is what I said that yeah, right right right?

Speaker 1 (14:37):
We look great. And that is what I decided. After
that discourse came up. Why do millennials look so good?
I was like, oh shit, my kids are getting mac
and cheese and hot dogs. My kids are getting blue slurpies. Yeah,
I'm just like I'm giving all of this to them
because you still look great, So why not.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Certainly it's not genetics at all, it's it's your mac.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
And but our parents, I mean, our parents age like
normal people, and we are not aging like normal people.
I'm just floating.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Well, I think we also don't have like we didn't
have like like our parents. We didn't have like parents
for like PTSD and didn't know what it was, so
just like fucking freaked out on them all the time.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
And then we got like cigarette small we got like
the lesser version of that.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
And then also we didn't have to like man like
just when I think about like this ship, my parents
said they used to do it as like kids for work,
and I'm like what my grandpa was like, I had
to steal I had to steal coal from the coal
yard in Chicago to keep the house clean.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
I was like, oh, he's like eleven, and I'm.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Like, oh god, damn, yeah, no, wonder my ass was
playing Donkey Kong Country and shit. Not that Cortisol was
not building up at that age, I'll say that, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
Yeah, And they were all smoking, they were all drinking,
like everybody was.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
Just like looking back at like articles from the eighties
where people are like new controversial law past says people
can't drink and drive, and then they like interview people
who are like, yeah, right, I'd like to see them
take this beer out of my hand, like as they
drive away and I pick up drive into a light pole.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, I gotta go.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
The reporting coming out the like secondhand smoke is a thing.
They're like, come on, I'm not smoking, but how could
it possibly.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
My fondest memories are being with my mom in Japan
as like because you know, she didn't have a babysit
or something, so I'll go with her like a work dinner,
but it was late, so I would fall asleep like
on her lap and just all the cigarettes smoke above
me from all the people's smoke cigarettes at the data
like and I was just like, ah, the familiar scent
of mother and secrets.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
Yeah, my grandma would come through. She there was there
was not an option of like making her smoke outside,
so we just had like some fan thing that was
in our house, but oftentimes not in the same room
as her, as she was just ripping through a pack
of debt right.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Right, right, Yeah, it was fine.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Oh wait, this is the one where they go when
they're talking about the people drinking and driving want a cane.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
I put in a hard day's work, put in eleven
twelve hours a day, and they ain't getting a truck
and the lace right one or two beers.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
They're making laws where you can't drink when you want to,
can't you have to wear a seat belt when you drive.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Presume we're gonna be calm this country. That was the
argument against seat belts, like New York and California forcing
people to wear seatbelts. Reach in your car.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, the communist man, who tell me the communist country man,
make you buckle up? Think about what that did to us.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
Think about what that did to our brains and to
our spirits to have to be caged in by seat
belts every time we drive in a car, as opposed to.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
By getting an accident.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
I want to be thrown clear.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Can you be able to surf on top of the
car when you were driving on the highway?

Speaker 3 (17:55):
It's like the rapture, like I'm sending into heaven from
the accident because my body's long.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Boom, there he goes. You've got the armor of God
on saved boom.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
I still haven't gotten a good answer to this, and
maybe we can ask Torri, but like, what how much
does being indoors prevent you from being physically raptured? Because
like all of the videos I saw people people's forms
were being like lifted up into the sky, Like are
our windows.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Breaking as people are being raptured?

Speaker 4 (18:26):
Are they getting like smashed against the ceiling? Are they
getting chopped up by a fat drip?

Speaker 1 (18:33):
There's there's dueling theories or I guess dueling theologies you
might say about whether you get raptured like bodily, like
your body gets physically taken up into the diskind I
think what I mean, Like we we believed that like yeah,
your whole body would just ascend, but you get zoips right.

(18:54):
It wasn't like you had to go through the airplane ceiling. No, no,
it wasn't. In the Bible, this was just like what
we sounds biblical.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
The Bible calls it, yeah, off into the sky.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
So some people thought like your whole body went. Some
people thought your clothes got left. That was that became
very popular.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
No sex, so and.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
Rules the terminator time travel can't only naked forms.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, uh huh, Yeah, I mean clothes can't time travel.
I think that's just established fact. Peter c All said,
so and so, yeah, if you.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Got rapture where you were pooping, what if you got
rapture while you were having sex, Like that.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Was just thought.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
You wouldn't if you were having sex you missed the boat.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
Well you pro created sex with a with a.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Human, opposite sex, opposite gender partner.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
Yeah, yeah, I'm just saying it could be awkward to
have your naked form appear.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
But in heaven your bar you're like, you got Barbie parts.
That is biblical, that's in scripture.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
You will oh real, Yeah that was I don't need
to leave all that yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Heaven, No, absolutely not. Jesus said this very clearly.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
This is fucked up. What did Jesus say? He's like, bro,
you ain't gonna scrub one out up here.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
There they were arguing over some people were arguing with
Jesus over like okay, if you get married and then
your wife dies, and then you get remarried and then
you go to heaven, who are you married to? That
was like the trick question that they tried to get
Jesus with.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
And he was like.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
That he's getting married.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
That is leadership when they go, well, what about thinking
you got Jesus tripped up and goes, how about this asshole?

Speaker 2 (20:43):
You got no dick? Next question got him and he
goes and high fives all the do you cook? You
were cooking, Jesus, you were cooking, bro? What is something
you think is overrated?

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Oh man, Portland being a hot bought, a hot bed
of Antifa activity, highly overrated. Our exploits are just really
popping off, and I just you know, we're here, we're
doing our best, but most of us are at work.
Guys like you don't need to invade. Most of us
are taxpayers, honestly, unfortunately for everyone.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
And that's why there's.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Only like the one frog guy down at the ice headquarters. Like,
that's why it's only that one dude down there by himself.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Wasn't the stitch costume too? I think I saw someone
in a stitch costume also.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, I believe so maybe Chicago Unicorn Chicken. The frog
guy has like magic powers. He's like pumping the Ice officers.
They're like, yeah, that's like a pumping in front of them,
and they're not they're really not there for it. And
it's great anyway. Yeah, but in terms of like our

(21:54):
our our violence, I would say that Portland violence is overrated,
just as.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
A general.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
Here, it's just confirming. This is coming from somebody who
lives in Portland, and I don't know. I'm just saying
it sounds like somebody who might work in the HR
department of Antifaye.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
I mean, I live in Portland.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
I don't know what you're talking about. I live in Portland. Ya.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
That's right, all right, Well we're going to take a
quick break.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
We're going to come back.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
We'll talk rapture, we'll talk Jesse Waters. We'll be right back,
and we're back.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
We're back back.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
I do just want to say not that it's like
holier than now because I so no blue slushies. Yeah,
I think we actually have done slushies. I do let
them vape, but it's like they can't do any of
the sweet.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
But they can't inhale. They can't. They can't do the
sweet flavors.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
It's just pure tobacco flavors because so they you know,
otherwise they might get addicted.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
To make a quiet taste.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
That's right, Tory. Any any update on the rapture.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
I know we've we've been waiting breathlessly on the edge
of our seats to see if there would be some
sort of massive event that would make humanity on earth
like forty percent cooler. Yeah, with the with the departure
of all Christians rapturable Christians, yes, yeah, rapture.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah, eligible Christians because there's an asterix.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
How's the how's the on again, off again rapture experience
been for you?

Speaker 1 (23:41):
You know, I am not someone who has rapture anxiety,
but I did as a child for sure.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Like, you know, I saw you post.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
I mean, like I think most people may or may
not know you have an evangelical background. But when I
saw the other day you post something about your mom
and the rapture, I was like, I'm going to bring this.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Went Tories on the show again.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, okay, So there was a rapture warning in May
of twenty.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Eleven and some guy warning.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, some guy was like, I got the date. I
did the calculations, here's the math. May I think it
was the eleventh or twelfth of twenty eleven. And you know,
my parents are big rapture fans, big rapture watchers. They
when I was a child owned a book called eighty
nine reasons Jesus is coming back in nineteen eighty nine.

(24:31):
You can look it up on eBay.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Damn, there's a call in their show. Oh yes, that
is such a bad idea of religion. Yeah, like Frinch,
just a brief Like I am not I do not
study religious history, but the one thing I know is
like when you're starting a branch of religion, that's the
one surefire away to have people just like give your

(24:54):
shit a stamped on expiration date.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Absolutely, So that's how I was raised, right, was with
Rapture Watch pretty much all the time. Jesus could come
back at any time. I was told, for very clearly
in retrospect antisemitic reasons, Jesus is going to come back
during a Jewish holiday because Jesus is Jewish and he
just wanted to make it all about him. Apparently he's
also a big dick, and so yeah, there was a

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lot of chatter about that. And then twenty eleven you know,
rolled around, and I you know, at that point, thankfully,
was a lot more skeptical. And there were billboards. I
don't know if you remember this, but like Portland and
Seattle at least had billboards that were like, the raptures
happening May twenty eleven. Give your life to Jesus or
you'll get left behind, you'll burn in hell forever. And

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so my mom decided to in the group chat with
all of us kids. She was like, hey, so the
rapture's happening tomorrow. Here's my bank account and mortgage information.
See you never Apparently she knew was hopeless and we
were not going to make it. We weren't going to

(26:05):
We weren't. And again, I think most of us identified
as Christians at this point, so it was like it
was like the asterisks, like the got to read the
fine print of like, you know, the Catholics are not
going to happen, Like let's just be real clear about that, right,
Oh yeah, no Catholics, no Mormons.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
That's that's what really struck me about like a lot
about when I was kind of reading your posts about it, right,
because like the funny like I went to Lutheran K
through eight and Catholic high school, and like we didn't
Lutherans weren't talk about you know, revelations and some shit
they're into.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
But when I got to Catholic high school, then I
heard it and I was like, the fugger you'll talk like.
That's when I was like, sir, what uh?

Speaker 3 (26:43):
And like the version that I feel like we for
people who are sort of outside of Christianity like that
is like this very goofy thing, like we've played this
video before, and I'll play it for you since you're here,
tory of just like stuff like this depiction of the Rapture.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
It's like, boom, hold on, bro, don't scroll, this is
the Rapture. How it's.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
Like we just to describe to people who weren't listening
last time. Yeah, it's it's like sim level. It's like
the the very.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
First version of Grand Theft Auto.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
You know that level of character animation, guy walking down
the street and then he's just narrating like all these
things that are happening in their video game reality, acting
as if he's narrating something.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Like a news event. Yes, like this is newsreel.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
But again, this is the version I think is really
funny that we always like laughing at because the version
is like these people just get sucked.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Off trumble sound. Guys, there's a light, there's Jesus.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Boom, Jesus Jesus returned, Boom, boom look at that the
closer gone.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Wow y'all, wow, y'all the souls dead, baby, look at
this boom gone, boom gone.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
You know, like in reading your post you talk about
sort of like the deeply violent version of how like
a lot of real believers look at the rapture like
whereas me from the outside and being familiar enough for Christianity,
it's like, yeah, you go to heaven.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
But they're like, oh no, not just that. The others
fucking suffer and dah and that's what I'm also here for.
Oh yeah behind, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
If you get yeah, if you get left behind. The
theology kind of varies a little bit, but yeah, you
will suffer. And there's a point, uh, well, you'll suffer
because God decides to pour out all of his wrath
on the earth. So he's like he's like I haven't
been here for a minute. I'm taking all my shit
out on you guys.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Since then we were told nine eleven was because gay Mary.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Oh okay, no, that's what it was, right, But like
that's just like little you know, it's like little tremors
before like the real big one hits, right, and so yeah,
like all kinds of like diseases, plagues, famine, all sorts
of shit going down. And this is for everybody who
gets left on the earth after all of the people
get like yeated into heaven. Who deserve the deserving people,

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So you know, like Donald Trump, those types, and so.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
Charlie Kirk, I've just been hearing about this heaven stuff,
and I think it's very important, very good he's obsessed
with because there's no reason to be good, they say, Really,
that's the only reason to not be bad is because
important reason.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, no, and so anyway, yeah, everyone's just going to
be like having a real bad time, and then it's
gonna get even worse, so that like you can't you
won't be able to die even though you're suffering. So
people will be trying to end their own lives because
they're suffering so much of all the plagues and the
famine and the war and the demon, the horse headed

(29:52):
demon locusts and like you know what and everything else,
and then people are going to try to like take
their own lives and they won't be able to. So
it's just gonna be like zombie land. I guess people
are just like real fucked up just.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Wandering around it sounds like being a vampire. It's like, wait,
I'm invincible.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
It's super well, except you experience a lot of pain.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
You're still so I don't know, that's a relative term.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
That's fair.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Like I'm like the one guy. They're like, aren't you something?
I'm like, no, it's cool.

Speaker 5 (30:20):
Man.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
I grew up in the specifically grafted over Miles's kinky single,
one of these things just playing directly into Miles's pain
and invincibility kink shit I did. My one question is
what is the mood like after May like June twenty eleven,

(30:43):
the next time you see your mom, Like, what what
is her mood?

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Like? What?

Speaker 4 (30:49):
What are what can we expect from our fellows? The
boom guy like what how's he feeling?

Speaker 3 (30:56):
To go?

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Now the rapture has not happened, do they just move
on to the next one?

Speaker 3 (31:04):
This?

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (31:04):
No, I love this question honestly, And it's really interesting
because the failed rapture predictions like tend to make people
believe it more.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
Right.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
It's sort of like how if you're wearing your lucky
socks and the Cubs lose again, you're gonna be more
likely to wear your lucky socks next time, right than
to go, oh, this didn't help, they weren't dirty enough.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Just wear them longer and without washing them next time.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
So they're really like not affected by it. But again,
I think that we're talking about a group of people,
especially for like Christian nationalist types that like shame doesn't
really factor in for them in a weird way, right,
you don't really make them feel shame.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, and that's I.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Mean, it factors in, Like I wonder, I feel like
there's Yeah, the what they're giving the rest of us
is going to be like I don't care, you know,
like j try and break them the ray Ja clip
where you try and break them speed okay, breaks them,
I don't care, I don't care. Like they they immediately
like switch to that. But like there has to be
something underneath where it because it does seem like the

(32:15):
shame is a currency that operates in that belief system, right. So,
but I guess is like never feeling shame about what
you believe or that you believe, right, like that's the
one thing that you have.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Well, I think it puts them further into the fold, right,
it makes them circle the wagons harder, you know, So
they're I mean, if they're feeling shame, they're more likely
to cut off people who they who don't think the
rapture is going to happen than they are to stop
believing that the rapture is going to happen.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Sure, and so it is.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
It is really weird and it becomes it's not like
a self fulfilling prophecy, but it becomes this weird dynamic
of like them. And you can read about this going
back to the eighteen hundreds, that people would predict the rapture.
Everybody would gather on the hill top yep, yep, and
then it was like, okay, nothing happened, and then like
entire churches and movements were born this way because of

(33:08):
a failed prediction.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
Yeah, when guy predicted and like you know, predicted a
rapture that didn't happen, And one hundred and fifty years
later we have the Branch Davidians.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
You know, Yeah, that was where we go.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Literally, that's what happened.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
So not great, not great, great, I think we'll be fine, Okay, boom.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Everyone would be happier if the evangelicals again got sucked
off into heaven, everyone would be happier. They don't want
to be here.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
It sounds we don't want to sound boom boom gone
genitals speaking of Christian nationalists and getting sucked off.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
Jesse Waters is either fucking Stephen Miller's wife or wants
to fuck Stephen Miller, or I don't know, there's something
something is going on here.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
I can't tell.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
Like it seems like he is either genuinely attracted to
Stephen Miller or like he's mocking I really think.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Like or putting him down to make him look better
to Katie Miller, his wife. Because again we were talking
about this maybe yesterday the day before. Just the timeline
of how Jesse Waters has been talking about Stephen Miller. Right,
there's the first one was a sexual matador quote that
was about two weeks ago when he had Katie Miller,

(34:28):
Steven Miller's wife on. And again this can be seen
as like a joke, but just listen, this is Stephen
Miller or this Stephen Miller's wife on Jesse Waters show.

Speaker 6 (34:38):
You are married to Stephen Miller, so you are the
envy of all women?

Speaker 3 (34:43):
What is that like?

Speaker 1 (34:44):
A sexual matador?

Speaker 6 (34:45):
Right? What is it like being married to such a
sexual matador?

Speaker 4 (34:50):
Now again, I think he had so I think he
had called him a sexual matador before on his show
or something like jokingly. So she's she's repeating, she's repeating it, okay,
but like it's not a thing I would love my
wife to be Like doing on National TV is like
mocking somebody who like mocks how and a grant. I

(35:14):
have the sexual charisma of an eighties TV sitcom dad,
So I'm not like, I'm not like, you better say
that I'm cool.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
But they didn't call him Alan Thick for no reason. Yeah,
thank you.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
But it just feels like there there's a real energy
between these two and then.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Just still laugh even though like, right, there's one version
that if you're reading this like a salacious soap opera,
it's that they laugh about Stephen Miller as they are canoodling, right.
But then there's a version where he's just like, I
don't know, like the way he laughs when she's like
the sexual matador, right, and he goes like ha ha, Well,
I'm like, is it because you don't like, what's the

(35:54):
point of this?

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Anyway?

Speaker 3 (35:55):
He was back at this like weird, uh, Stephen Miller's
two sexy for this earth sort of bit that he's
been doing on the comic's like right said for it
a little bit, yeah, a little bit if he was
in the best on his best day and like in
you know, if he was the most yeah, preserved in
formaldehyde for twenty eight years.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Maybe.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
So Tuesday night, Waters is on the five and he
talks about like they bring that bring up that clip
where AOC was talking about Steven Miller and how he's
like short and blah blah blah, and how Steven Moller
was like, oh, that's just a trained ruck, right, But
I just want to play like Steven Miller or Jesse
Water's not this whole thing. Doesn't let go of this
thing that Steven Miller's so hot, and this is I

(36:39):
just want to I'm just having such trouble wrapping my
head around like what what's subconsciously going on or just
in his overt consciousness. But here he is talking about
AOC and what she doesn't get about Steven Miller.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Sulted by AOC.

Speaker 6 (36:53):
No, I think I wants to sleep with Miller. It
is so obvious, and I'm sorry you can't have him over.
Miller is the best I know him well socially, and
the man is not overcompensating, Dana. I know when people
are overcompensating. I know people at this table who are overcompensating.

Speaker 5 (37:16):
That person is me.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Ha ha ha ha. Okay, So he goes on. He
starts talking about like this guy is.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
He's like, he's like, here's a deal. He's like, which,
you got to understand something. Let me man explain something
to you. AOC about Steven Miller, and he lays out
his case even further as to why he's so hot
the United States.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
This is what AOC doesn't get about men.

Speaker 6 (37:37):
Miller is a high value man because he has power
and influence, because he has vision, and he's on a
mission to save this republic and protect Western civilization.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Uh. He speaks with confidence.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
He's saying that like with the verve of like a
true white nationalist, you know what I mean. He's like,
he's mission orient he's trying to save Western civilization.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
He's also saying it with a straight face on Fox
News as people are audibly like belly laughing in the
background with.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
The side by side of Stephen Miller, who is just
subjectively not hot.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
He actually makes this is weird because it's like it's
making Jesse Waters look way better than he normally does
because you've got Steven Miller's face next to him. And
Steven Miller is a scary looking dude.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Yeah, like transparently so. And like the fact that the
Fox and News hosts are like laughing at him, being
like he's a high value male, he's super he speaks
with confidence.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
No, he does not, Yeah, and like so they think
he's like, come on, man, Stephen Miller sucks, Like, like
what's the laughter cover? Is it coming from the discomfort
that he's talking about how attractive a man is?

Speaker 2 (38:51):
I don't know. Again, he continues, men.

Speaker 6 (38:54):
Who are high value men like Steven Miller take risks.
They're brave, they're unafraid, they're camp and they're on a mission,
and they have younger wives with beautiful children. I think
I just gave him like a dating recommendation.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
I don't know, man, that was pretty creepy. He lost
gutfeld there. I don't know, man, that was pretty creepy.
And they did not like that man afterwards, like they're like,
all right, enough, Jesse.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Then they asked, you know, the liberal Jessica tarlav like
for her take on everything that's going on, and then
Jesse Waters interrupts again to just bring up this thing
about Steve Like everyone's like, okay, fine, your dumb bit
about how hot Stephen Miller is like is over, but
he comes back around to it.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
If you can't.

Speaker 6 (39:42):
Set the sexual chemistry it's losing from Steven Miller's beautiful face, then.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
You don't get it loosing from you about Stephen Miller.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
I think that that's where when he says his beautiful face, like,
that's where it makes it clear to me that he
is trying. He is doing a weird like cooking thing
to Steven Miller that but like he can't get in
trouble because he's saying it with as straight a face
as he possibly can.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
But like, okay, if you if.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
You want to be like he's the leader of our
party and like that makes him attractive, Like fine, but
if you're saying that he his face objectively is objectively
oozing sexual charisma, you like that is like no nobody
is standing behind that with without like at least a

(40:36):
heaping teaspoon of a fuck.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Then so then you're just taking open shots, Like what's
the point of this, Like if that's the if that's
driving the irony of a statement like that, it's like, well,
I'm saying that because clearly he's hideous.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Right ha ha. Yeah. I have a theory though.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
This is so interesting because you all remember when like
Elon was shown up in the White House with the
black eye and everyone was like, oh, it's because he's
fucking Stephen Miller's wife, right, right right, which was a
great I really like that rumor. Person.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Yeah, I love it too.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
I think that it makes a lot of sense to
me that that Stephen Miller and his wife would be
open because he is a hideous demon, and you know,
she's conventionally attractive. I think she's also not that young.
I think she's like, what thirty six or something. So
I don't know what I don't know what he was.
I don't know what Jesse was going on about.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
I think he was to her that like, you're young,
you're beautiful, you have beautiful children.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
But this is so it is kind of a weird,
a weird cuck dynamic though, for sure. And I think
that like maybe there was a trade off if you
can sleep with my wife, if you tell them how
powerful and sexy are attractive and compelling I am as
a human being, right like, and that was like a
fair trade, Like I could see that being a fair.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Trade to Stephen.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
Yeah, because I mean that announces in the context of
we saw Jesse Waters talking to Steven Miller's wife on
his show and she referenced him calling him a sexual
matador and they both burst into laughter.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Yeah, that's some cookshit.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Also, I would just like to say, this is not
appropriate for children, So like, why is Fox News sexualizing
children by.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Talking about this? Thank you?

Speaker 1 (42:16):
They should be taken off the air because they're sexualizing children.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
So we don't have to we're not we don't have
we're not abiding to any kind of FCC regulations, so
we can say whatever we want, including just outright lies
in this information. Anyway, he's a sexual matador and he's
the hottest human being in your sexual.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Chrisma oozing from his face. There's something oozing from that's mayonnaise. Mayonnaise.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Okay, he hasn't wit and it's just he went coming
out of all he went Winnie the Pooh on the
fucking jar of mayonnaise.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Okay, put his whole head in there, it would fit.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
He has a great head. Forget sticking it inside a
jar of man mayonnaise stars. Yeah, yeah, it's like the
perfect shape. Yeah, that's a great point. Quick, we'll come
back and we'll talk about how the right is winning
the culture wars. We'll be right back, and we're back.

(43:18):
We're back, and we've all heard go woke, Go broke,
the tired culture war rallying cry used to explain movies
like The Marvels Late Year and the twenty sixteen Ghostbusters reboot.
As you know, they were box office bombs because they
tried to go woke. So somebody from Guinness World Records,

(43:42):
Steven Follows, did a film data analysis where he, you know,
put all the box office performance of I think ten
thousand films into an algorithm to see if it's true
that like diverse casting and identity driven stories harm the

(44:03):
box office performance of a movie. And what they found,
absolutely no surprise, is it doesn't harm it. What they
found and said is that it can have a substantially
positive effect on commercial success.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
No.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
No, by showing by changing from the practice that was
common in years in Hollywood, for showing only movies starring
like twenty five percent of the population of white men,
like that that fixing that is unpopular.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
That's so wild, hmm.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
But I mean, like just we have talked about like
the Fast and the Furious franchise be like an action
franchise with a diverse cast for once, holy shit, and
it becomes this like world beating box office phenomenon. But
like that doesn't get classified as a movie that is

(44:58):
like capitalizing on diverse.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
See.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
The only time that it ever gets attached to that
is if they are you know, if it's an unsuccessful movie,
they start from there, and then they well, they don't
start from there. First, they'll be like this was woke,
this bull shit, Like there'll be like a simmering thing,
and then if the movie doesn't do well, then it
will get attached to being a thing. But it's it's

(45:22):
their favorite logical fallacy, like western colonial media, is the
sampling error, where you just find one example of the
thing that you want to be true and then just
like scream about that example and like claim that it
like proves some sort of law how everything operates.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
It's just a mantra to sort of soothe themselves that
they're so on the outside of like mainstream culture.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
That it's like, well, yeah, they went broke, so they
go woke.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
So they're broke, and it's like, yeah, because you did
such a great job with Kuig that went completely down
the drain and Volvo and fucking Nike and all these
places where I think it it's it helps soothe their
sort of imaginations that to be like, well, we don't
like that, and now they're going to be suffering as
a business. But if I do any actual financial analysis,

(46:10):
I will find that maybe that's action.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
That's not the case.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
Yeah, there's been multiple studies. There's a twenty twenty four
study that also found that it's also not a thing.
In advertising, like you're saying the curing thing and the
bud Light controversy, like actually, more inclusive campaigns have a
positive impact on profit sales and brand worth, like transparent.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Do you believe it? What are you doing? Do you
believe it?

Speaker 1 (46:37):
I think that, well, okay, so this has really interesting.
I think that's something you know, like the Fast and
Furious franchise has got a lot of like traditionally like
masculine characters, so I think that they wouldn't go after
that as much because they're still cool with that with
like masculinity kind of bordering on toxicity if that's like
I'm not saying that those characters are inherently toxically masculine,

(46:57):
but like some of them are.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
Right if you go, yeah, you say more than three
words in a sentence, are actually effeminate, Like you man,
you just have to like speak in one to.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
And grab boots.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Escapes your mouth as your body decomposes totally.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
So they pick very specific things I think, to go
after with the go go broke because it doesn't always work,
but then I mean I think that it is. Yeah,
it is also worth noticing, like the movies that they
just completely ignore.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
And that you know.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
That do really that do really well right, Like like
like Black Panther, for example, was not they can't use
that as like a go wo go broke, and it
made a billion dollars. Like I don't know what to
tell you, you know, I think like a black cast
and a like black director producer, and like, yeah, so
they really pick very specific things to go after with

(47:51):
this line, and I think that that's worth paying attention
to it.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
I think it's also just a way to weaponize inclusion,
like as a way to sort of immediately disregard what happened,
Like so like you see this a lot like if
a film has like it's like fronted by women or
women of color, people of color, the immediate thing is like, well,
how women of color as the stars' that's what went wrong?
As a way to again sort of punish the mere

(48:16):
concept of representing these people on the screen, but again
no talk of the actual decision makers who put who
make the film, who financed the film, who do the marketing, who,
for all intents and purposes, are the ones who are
kind of behind the success or failure of a film,
not merely just like, well, this person of color was
in it and that's what happened, rather than all the

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other people or the other stakeholders who who's who would
actually be held responsible If you're like thinking of like
how a studio would look at it, They're not gonna
be like, well it's not this actor, Like what the
fuck was that?

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Producers? We just gave all that money to to make
this shit? The what are you thinking here?

Speaker 3 (48:51):
But again I think it's like a real reflexive way
too that subtly helps sort of try and discourage the
inclusion of like diverse people, whether they're in front or
behind the camera, because like this with Snow White, it
was just like, oh, Rachel Zegler, Yeah, it's like she
didn't write the movie. There's so many other people you
can blame for that movie being wrong, And I think
it's just a very easy way to then be like,

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not only did they go broke, but we can also
try and chill the sort of enthusiasm to represent other
kinds of people on scream.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
It's always just that's the explanation.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
But this is exactly what we were talking about with
the Rapture, right where if they make this claim go
broke and the movie still does well, they're just like, oh,
we don't care.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
Yeah, nobody pays attention to a movie that does well.
There's no subsequent story being like that's why that movie
did well. It's well, that movie was special, you know,
it was like telling a special story.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Right Exactly. These are unique circumstances, Like.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Most movies are flocked. The vast majority of movies.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
It's like that you have like ten hit movies a
year that pay for hundreds of movies that tank, So
there's no shortage of movies that they can point to
and be like this sucked, like this was bad and
here's why. But like, you know, they found that it
was like horror, sports, and music films in particular, like

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diverse casting and identity driven stories can have a substantially
positive effect on commercial success. Those are also films that
are seen by younger audiences. So again, it's just like
old people in Hollywood being like, I don't know about
this stuff, and you know, just going with trends, begrudgingly

(50:28):
fucking healed drag marks trailing behind the movies that they
green light because they are looking at the trends and
seeing that like telling more diverse stories will reach more people.
And then there's also yeah, to your point, Tori, like
the the how we metabolize movies that do well and

(50:50):
don't do well, Like we talked earlier this year about Sinners,
which is like one of the most surprising out of
nowhere to according to you, just like red Film and
like the riot industry media going in everyone was like this,
this is a real risk that's not going to pay off.
It was like the biggest hit of the year when

(51:11):
it came out, like it was a massive hit, and
like the first week after it came out and was
a massive hit. The way that they chose to write
about it was like still not out of the woods
on that one, because I have to wait and see
even though it's made its budget back already. Yeah, and
then like it just kept the audience just like kept

(51:32):
growing like week over week.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
It was like wild.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
So they they don't acknowledge the winds when there's a
win for like maybe we don't just let white men
tell these stories when there is a movie that does
badly that is, you know, like the Ghostbusters reboot movie
is like, you know, being told by a white guy,
and it is like sort of I don't know, first

(51:58):
of all, I don't think it's like that bad of
a movie, but like the way it was message was
like probably could have been handled better, but it's not
like it was handled by Melissa McCarthy like that. She
was like and I came up with a marketing campaign
for this. You know, it's and so like you have
sometimes it feels cynical and people respond negatively to that,

(52:20):
but that's the only thing that like breaks through. And
it's very frustrating that there's like there's a rule in
advertising and film this idea of like go woke, go broke,
which by the way comes from a science fiction author
named John Ringo. Great name came up during a milo

(52:41):
Yanopolis on his website, but his theory, which had been
applied to billion dollar film franchises by national news outlets,
originated with again the author of there will be Dragons,
and I just we have we have the cover of
there will be Dragons in the Dock. It is a

(53:03):
woman warrior in the like smallest bikini possible and a
huge bow and arrow.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
It's it's it's a ceremonial garb of for people. Of course,
I do a lot of world building in.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
My books, but and every female of this group does
have at least, as I write in my book, double
D breasts.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
That's an important detail for my listeners or my readers actually, But.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
It doesn't take much. It doesn't take much for like
these ideas to get shoehorned in, like the you know,
conservative ideas. They're they're just looking for. I mean, they
have a whole media apparatus propped up by billionaires who
are just waiting to for an idea like this that
either you know, resonates with people or in this case,

(53:48):
just rhymes, and that's good enough for them. They're like, yeah,
we're gonna We're gonna run with this one, guys.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
I mean it is the thing like you know that
theory everyone's twelve now, it's like sort of like an
apple a day keeps the doctor away.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Oh yeah, okay, it makes sense to me. You go broke?
Oh who said that?

Speaker 5 (54:06):
John Ringo, who also wrote this book, The Last Centurion,
that has a subplot about a Hillary Clinton like president
who screws up the vaccine rollout during a pandemic due
to her belief in socialized medicine.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
It was prescient, though this one is description. This critical
analysis of his work says Ringo's inimitable writing style in
which no breasts are too big, no hero goes unfucked
by multiple large prested women, and no terrorist goes unpunished.
And these books are truly a piece of work. Man,
oh boy, they are freaking out about one battle after another.

(54:44):
By the way, that's their new thing that they're really worried.
Ben Shapiro is calling it like an act of radical
a call for radical left wing violence.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
It says, yeah, you can make excuses for it, but
basically the film is an apologia for radical, radical left
left wing terrorism.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
That's what it is.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
It is the subtlety of a brick. The basic suggestion
is a conspiracy theory in which the United State is
run by white supremacist Christian nationalists and all people of
color and a few nice, incompetent fellow travelers like DiCaprio
are going to take on that entire system, and that
system is to be taken out at the cost of
a family, at the cost of friendship, or the cost
of decency, at the cost of basic This guy's fucking
losing it.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
It is so rare for because that is the storyline
of most movies. Most movies are like farm Guy takes
on the Empire, you know, like in Star Wars. It's
like something like that, where it's just like it lends
itself at least as much to like the right sort

(55:43):
of like have a story where it's like sort of
a left something with left wing values like being the
underdog and taking on and obviously they have to completely
make up like this organized armed resistance on the left
or you know, borrow from the nineteen sixties in a
lot of cases. But the fact that like just putting

(56:04):
that on screen freaks them.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Out this much, I think is funny. I think they
probably just saw how they're like, they're like, wait, so
we're kind of like the Chris that the white nationalist
side is that. Yeah damn.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
I wish I was the other cool guys in the movie,
but I guess I'm the bad guys in the I
don't like.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
This at all. Yeah, he's uh you know.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
I think also just as a failed screenwriter, it probably
just irks him just to see people like make films
like this while he has to go and just hold
loose pieces of wood in a parking lot to be
like and.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
I am man. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Well he also writes his books.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Come on, Yeah, that's true. They're really good.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Everybody should check out Robert Evans is reading series of
his books. They're they're very good.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
He's a great compelling writer. Yeah. Really again, are too large?

Speaker 4 (56:57):
Uh yeah, And if you think that it's a paranoid
conspiracy that small groups of right wing white n press
run the US government, I mean, now it is a
conspiracy that they're small and secretly running the US government.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Yeah right.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
There is a proud tradition of these weird groups being
like you know, the kk from the KKK to the
John Bridge Society, to you know. So there there's there's
plenty of stuff to work with about like silly old
white guys with like secret handshakes, being meeting and having
like racist policy discussions. Yeah, so we'll have to maybe

(57:38):
we'll have to dig into some of those in a
future episode. I feel like that might be worth it.
But what is the Christmas Adventurers?

Speaker 2 (57:44):
I'm not saying it out loud, Jack, I don't want
to knock on my door. That's right, that's true, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (57:51):
All Hall Saint Nick Tory. Such a pleasure having you
as always on the daily ese Geist. Where can people
find you? Follow you all that good stuff?

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Yeah, you can check out my podcasts White Homework, which
is about anti racism and collective liberation that I do
with Benjamin Fay. You can also check out my ex
evangelical podcast where we are keeping an eye on the
rapture at all times. Uh, it's called Go Home Bible
You're Drunk, which I do with Justin Gentry And yeah
you can go. We can just google those, follow rate

(58:22):
support whatever you feel like doing. It is a very
funny time to be a podcaster. On September third, I
would just like to know, we recorded a podcast that
we called is It Okay to like wish that bad
people would die? And then a week later, Charlie Kirk
was no longer with us, I'll say, and so yeah,
it's it's weird and we were talking about Trump the

(58:43):
entire time. Really Trump's dead right now. And a week
later like oh manor production schedule is wild? It was
much like it was much like the Etsy Witches, God
Bless them or whatever. But yeah, so that's a where

(59:05):
you can generally find me. I'm around if you want
to find.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Memm hell ya. Is there a work of media that
you've been enjoying.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
I did want to share something that I really appreciated
because I don't think I don't think I've ever told
this story on here, but Conrad Hackett is on Blue
Sky and was like, has anything great happened in your
life because of social media? And I was like, actually, so,
how my partner and I met was that we kept
running into each other on Twitter during the twenty twenty

(59:34):
protests in Portland because we were both so deeply committed
to cyberbullying the mayor Ted Wheeler, and so every time
he would tweet, we would be in his mentions being
like you fucking piece of shit. Not really, we were
a little more articulate than the but yeah, so I
was like, oh, actually, like yeah, social media has I mean,
I'm not saying social media on the net is good.

(59:55):
I don't think that we can make that case. But hey,
sometimes you sometimes you meet the love of your life Cyberbowling,
the mayor of Portland during the twenty twenty protests, and
that's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
And that's also something that you guys have in common
with Donald Trump, so that's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
On Twitter the mayor of Portland, My brain went the
complete rung direction, like you met Mlania on Twitter?

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
Uh? No, funny story about how he met Milania that
we might find out more about if they ever released
those Epstein talking about miles where can people find you?

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Is there a work of media you've been enjoying? Yeah,
find me everywhere at miles of Gray.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
You can find me talking about ninety day fiance on
four to twenty day fiance.

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Work and media I like is just because you know,
they're the mischaracterizations of all these cities that are quote.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Unquote war ravaged or war zones or burning pits of hell.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
You know you were talking earlier Torri about like just
the people coming up in character costumes and just antagonizing
just the cops just by dancing. There's a great clip
from Karl Kingtonia that beast guy do at social It
just said hashtag war ravaged Portland and it's a dinosaur
suit guy, a unicorn, and a raccoon and maybe a

(01:01:12):
bear and they're just dancing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Yeah, yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. It's just the
presence of Ice just having a little dance party. That's
what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Man. Just like in La it was mariachi bands and
stuff and people playing instruments and hanging out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
This it isn't, but I think it's always.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
I think I think that one thing that I think
listeners especially can tell people because I all like, this
always happens.

Speaker 6 (01:01:37):
You.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Like I was on the phone for the customer service
person who was in Texas and they're like, oh, you're
in lost, Like how is it over there?

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
For real?

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Yeah, like two weeks ago, and I was like, it's fine, fine,
And then I had to and I spent I was
trying to cancel my motherfucking cable okay, And I ended
up taking this lady on a twenty minute fucking like
de radical is talk about being like, well, think about
what you're watching, and I'm telling you like, I'm like,
where are you. She's like, I'm in Dallas, And I'm like,

(01:02:06):
imagine if one one block in Dallas, like a car
was on fire, would you know about that? Like, would
that disrupt your entire life, the entire flow of life
in your city if just And she's like, oh no,
I mean Dallas is so big, you know, it's like
it's really spread out. And I was like, right, so
La is like that and she's like, but the cars
are in front, like that was just the same shot

(01:02:27):
over and over again.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
She's like it was I thought it looked like the
same car.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
And I was like yeah, and see, because they want
they want everybody to think that this place is so
much worse off than it is, like all over the country.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
She's like, wow, you know the TV they just want
you to believe stuff a lot of the times. And
I'm like, yeah, I know. Well I'm glad we talked.
And she's like, yeah, okay, thank you for letting me know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
So you know, whenever people start saying that shit getting
that momentum going about like, well, you know, all these
places are shit holds.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
They're like, get real for a second, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Like, you know, if life was so bad that we
need help like that, Usually it's just in regards to
police violence. Yeah, and we make that know, you know,
in our cities, like love to ask for help when
that shit happens, Like yeah, when they need it, they
love to bring in the National Guard.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Yeah, I'd love to, but not not this time. Not
this time.

Speaker 4 (01:03:17):
Workimedia, I've been enjoying a dear self at dear me
to Underscore tweeted grow and then a picture of a
note that said scariest place to be is the same
place as last year Grow underline underline and Boots with
the Furry tweeted that and said this hits extra hard
if you were in a haunted house.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
One year ago. It's true as fun. Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
You can find me on Twitter at jack Underscore Brian.
You can find me on Blue Sky at Jack o
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and Blue Sky at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at the Daily Zeitgeist.
On Instagram. You can go to the episode look at
the description down there at the bottom you will see
the footnotes, which is where we link off to the

(01:04:04):
information that we talked about in today's episode. We also
look off to a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles,
is there a song that you think that people might enjoy? Yeah, Yeah,
this is from the group Cruiser cru Z A. The track,
if it's fitting, it's called super Anxious, you know, but
the track bangs. It's sort of like a trippy, psychedelic

(01:04:25):
R and B kind of pop track. And it's nice
because it's we were just talking about how like mainstream
rap is just kind of becoming more and more homogenous,
and like it's like the same sort of instrumentals and
beats here, and so it's nice to hear things be
done differently or experimentally.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
So, yes, Cruiser with Super Anxious is great. So check
it out.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
Well, look off to that in the foot notes. The
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