Rom-Com Economics, Evil Bank Fail 03.16.23

In episode 1442, Jack and guest co-host Alex Schmidt are joined by host of How To Citizen, Baratunde Thruston, to discuss... Credit Suisse Shares Plunge (Because They’re Evil), Netflix’s $150 Million Rom-Com Is Canceled and more!

1. Credit Suisse Shares Plunge (Because They’re Evil)
2. Swiss Regulators to Provide Liquidity to Credit Suisse
3. Swiss central bank ready for Credit Suisse support
4. Troubles at Credit Suisse prompt broader market selloff
5. Credit Suisse axes top bosses’ bonuses after biggest loss since financial crisis
6. Netflix’s $150 Million Rom-Com Is Canceled
7. ‘Give Her Her F*cking Money’: Nancy Meyers Fans Revolt Against Netflix
8. Why Netflix Canned Nancy Meyers’ $130 Million Rom-Com | Analysis

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two seventy nine,
episode four of Jared Ailey's Guys Stay production of iHeartRadio.
This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
into America's shared consciousness. And it is Thursday, March sixteenth,
twenty twenty three parent teacher conference to day at my kids' school.
So I'm wearing a collared shirt with buttons on it.

(00:24):
But I keep fiddling with the buttons and I think
one of them is about to come off. So that's
where I'm at. That's how comfortable I am being wearing
a collar. My name is Jack O'Brien aka I wish
my name was Shadow and not Jack. I love my parents,
but they are so whack. That is courtesy of Christy Amagucci,

(00:45):
Maine Shadows of the Night Patar, in reference to the
fact that the name a person's name shadow came up
at some point and I mentioned I thought it sounded
like a cool name and remember or to DJ named
Shadow Stevens from my childhood in the hopes that someone
would like write in and be like, you know, you

(01:07):
kind of look like a shadow. Maybe you should change
your name to that, you know. The Burner accounts I
made to make that comment never really caught on, So
instead we just have this AKA thank you Christy Yamagucci Ma.
I'm thrilled to be joined by one of the best
podcast hosts doing it anywhere, my old friend from the

(01:27):
Crack days, a Jeopardy champion, the host of the wonderful
podcast secretly incredibly fascinating, which makes him the sif Lord.
It is Alex Schmad, thank you and aka the bison
wise one. Okay, I'm butter Nugs on the SIF discord.
Heard yesterday's shad, but immediately it was like, here's one

(01:49):
that's so thank you. But and I was remissing not
saying yesterday, congratulations smiles and her majesty. I'm their wonderful base. Yeah,
that's really nice speer helping him. Yeah, it's wonderful having you.
I do think siff Lord is gonna stick. It's a
perfect match for your just dark heart, the dark energy
that you bring to every room that you actually have.

(02:11):
I've always felt a real conflict with the whole like
message and deal of the umpire and Star Wars, but
then loving brass music great anthm you know, but if
you like brass you can't pass on that one. Come on,
and as compared to what the rebels are listening to, jizz,
isn't that what they called that music? And yes, that's
capatically what they call it. Yeah, jizz. Come on, guys, Alex.

(02:36):
We are thrilled, fortunate, blessed to be joined in our
third seat by an Emmy nominated host who's worked at
The Onion, The Daily Show, advised the Obama White House.
He's a New York Times bestselling author, delivered what Brian
Williams called one of the greatest ted talks of all time.
Is the creator and host of one of the great
podcasts of all time, How to Citizen with Baratunde. Please

(02:57):
welcome the brilliant and talented baratun Day Thirsty, Hello, Jacko, Alex.
I am most surprised to find out that y'all sold
cracked together in the past. Um so yeah, good to
be here. Thank you for having me back, Jack and
and good to meet you Alex. Way to keep the

(03:18):
seat warm, yeah, thank you. Yeah, that's right. We demand
a pulse. No robot hosts here, no no live meat.
I'm sending in by biometrics every few minutes, just letting
people now behind the scenes. Yeah, important to let him now.
I've been really enjoying season four. I loved your interview

(03:38):
with Adrian Marie Brown. Thank you, Fractals and Sci Fi
How to Citizen as a podcast that makes you feel
not worn down by some of the ship that we
cover in in the news cycle, that's the goal. And
you were there at the stile. I mean you were,
You were in the meetings, you were in the room

(03:59):
where I was, in the damn room where it happened.
Helped it happen, Jack, That's right. Well, that's why I'm
so complimentary. I wouldn't be, even though I love the
show if it if I hadn't been there when it started,
I would have been jealous and mean and spiteful. I'm
so glad. Yes, all right, Barry Tunday, we're gonna get
to know you a little bit better in a moment. First,

(04:20):
we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things
we're talking about today. Credit Swiss shares plunge. We don't
usually cover like financial the latest financial happenings, but it
does seem like there's something happening in the world of finance.
So we're just going to talk about credit Swiss, the
Silicon Valley bank, all the turmoil. We we do cover

(04:45):
a lot of Switzerland news, but not the bankings mainly Swiss. Yeah,
so you're diversifying your Swiss coverage, which is yes, which
is that's right? Yeah, Yeah, that's what I've heard. You're
supposed to diversify. Yeah, like like stocks and stuff. Yeah,
although everything's sounds from we're gonna talk Netflix is one
hundred and fifty million dollars. Romcom, which was just canceled,

(05:07):
was supposed to be a Nancy Myers joint for one
hundred and fit with a one hundred and fifty million
dollar budget. That's apparently that was her asking price. Netflix
wouldn't go, wouldn't budget over one hundred and thirty million,
and they were like, no deal, which actually makes sense,
Like there there's a nugget in this story that actually
makes sense of the astronomical Netflix movie budgets. So we'll

(05:31):
we'll talk about they're gon We're gonna that makes sense
all of that plenty more. But first, Baritoonda, what is
something from your search history? Okay, there's there's too much
in my search history, and I actually maintain it. I
don't like being surveiled, but I do like my YouTube
recommendation feed to be accurate. So, okay, this is the

(05:53):
penundrum which I find myself and a recent search term
how to get between the terminals at Dallas Fort Worth
International Airport. This just came out of a recent traumatic
incident where I was I barely escaped from Florida. Every
time I go to that state, it's very difficult to leave,

(06:14):
and then my mere presence there is actually in violation
of a lot of the new laws of that Ron
DeSantis and crew have passed. So I'm a crime in
Florida and so a fugitive and I try to get
out and they just try to drag me back in.
And in this case, I was trapped in another state
with a wonky governor Dallas because American Airlines decided they're

(06:35):
just not in the flying business anymore. Yeah, they're in
the shuffle you around to different broken planes business for
seventeen straight hours. Yep. Yeah, the options have become limited
on the flying space. By the way, I just I
was hoping that your search has you said how to
I thought you were going to say citizen, Just like,

(06:58):
what does that mean? I was like, this is very
late to be googling. It's never okay, it's never too
late to learn and grow, all right, So don't shame
knowledge seeking. Yes, that's a good point. Or the full
searches how to citizen legal in Florida, question mark need

(07:18):
to know banging on door? What were you doing? And
just like personal business in Florida or I have no
personal business in Florida. This was a financial obligation. I
was there actually making my PBS show America Outdoors. We're
on our second season and we were filming in Florida

(07:42):
along the Swanee River. It was a really beautiful time
if you don't count the food options on the side
of the road to the fact that Dotler General has
monopoly on all retail space. But the people, the nature,
the connection to nature and Florida is underrated. It's really beautiful,
it really, it really is. I was humbled by my

(08:02):
time there, honestly. And I was in North Florida where
I have not spent really much time in my life.
So it was a voyage of discovery. Yeah, and I
was ready to come home, you know. Yeah, and Fort
Worth didn't want to let you. American Airlines at Dallas
Fort Worth. We cannot just blame the worst airport in
the country. We must also assign responsibility to the worst airline.

(08:25):
It's their hub though, right They're like, we want you
to come here, we want to see, we want you
to see what we've done with the place. It well,
it was, it was. It was exacerbated by the fact
that I've had I had experiencing some hip panes and
hip injury, and so the size of the airport truly
becomes like a health hazard. And you know, it's everything's

(08:49):
bigger in Texas. Like it's not just words people say,
it's like design principles for worst living. And these these
folks were just determined to put me through my paces.
My pace was off. So yeah, the whole enterprise was
physically an emotionally quite quite painful. I did there were

(09:09):
moments of light. You know, some people helped me out.
I had fellow passengers helping carry stuff. I had dudes
with the cards helping me try to move through that
airport at times, so all all was not lost. Uh,
And we started, uh, I guess it would call a
hate group. Was like we hate American airlines together, and
so that was it just feels like like the one

(09:30):
hate group I could support. I definitely don't tend to
support hate groups, but this one just feels really justified
by based on evidence, and I'm all about evidence space choices. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
So I hope they're not a sponsor of your show.
They are, but it's okay they I mean they usually
give us a pretty wed birth, like an airship should. Yeah.

(09:51):
But yeah, I feel like everything in Texas is just contingent,
like designed, contingent on the idea that you have access
to a pickup truck at all times. I thought I
was gonna from goal to gate. They're like, well, you're
gonna want to hoping or pick up? What do you mean?
You know you don't travel with a pickup It would
I actually my life would have been easier if I

(10:13):
had a pickup truck. And like many guns, right, yeah, always,
And that feels like the Texas way. Yeah. There was
a moment where I was like, maybe I'm just supposed
to live here, Maybe I should get a truck and
like three guns and just sorry, California, we're done. Yeah,
well this is where I live now. That's always a
good feeling when you're traveling and your your brain just says,

(10:34):
maybe this is just where we live now. That was
because I was like, dude, it was a fifty two
minute layover became seventeen hours. Yes, like we got the
free hotel thing happened. Yeah, And but at every turn,
every turn, something went wrong, something like the hotel I

(10:55):
went to. I thought I was smart. I made a
reservation using some credit card points because I was like,
everybody's gonna be going to the free hotel. I've got points.
I'm gonna say at the hotel right at the airport,
because no one thinks of that. And I get there
and I'm so excited, and I have my reservations on
the I ben prepared for the backlash, for the resistance,
for the squashing of myself. It's like, here's my reservation code.

(11:17):
We're good. And she's like, that's for tomorrow night, and
I was like, no, no, it's for today, March eleventh.
Yet today, because of the beauty of time and the
amount of it that American Airlines wasted, today had become Saturday.
So I gets to my hotel. We were like two

(11:39):
fifteen in the morning. I have to get up at
six to try to make the next light out. We
get on the plane. It's the third plane we've been on,
and the crew was like, we got you. We don't
know what happened with those jokers last night. We got you.
And we're like, okay, great, yeah, we like high five,
like we think the war is over, you know, like
everybody's people are kissing in the aisle. It's great. You know,

(12:01):
babies are being conceived, and the captain has to come
on the microphone and he's like, folks, I can't believe
I have to say this, but something wrong with the plane.
So we're gonna need everybody to get off. Ye go
to terminal five miles from here and try again. We

(12:23):
will get you home. And at this point, babies are
you know, screaming profanities. Yeah. Yeah, so yeah. Google helped
a little this helping me understand that airport because the
last time I was there, I saw a barber shop
in it, like in the terminal, and I was like, no,
that's a business for regular life, but if you live there,
you do need a haircut. That makes sense, Yeah, thrown

(12:46):
depots in there. I do remember seeing the hotel and
being like, what, like, I guess I could see, but
but that is a bad sign that the hotel should
not be that close, if you shouldn't be like yeah,
Gate thirty seven A, Gate thirty seven B highatt regency exactly. Yeah, no, no,

(13:06):
these are not the same choices. It's been bad enough
for long enough that they built bbcurity. They know, like
the whole hotel it's approved because yes, yeah, no nail
clippers in the entire hotel. What is something that you
think is overrated? I think the the intelligence of venture capitalists,

(13:28):
alright is greatly overrated and unpopular opinion, very popular on
this show. But I feel like because you are plugged
into like the tech world, and I don't know, it
feels like there is still this I don't know, like

(13:49):
understanding that if something doesn't have the VC funding, it's
not like a viable idea in a lot of worlds,
And just like that, it's I don't know, like, are
we coming to the end of this just being the
the prerequisite for getting anything off the ground is just

(14:10):
massive rounds of like you know, tens of millions of
dollars of funding. I hope so, I think so. I
some of my best friends are vcs. By the way,
this is like vcism but they've had an outside influence
on some major challenges and failures in our society. Hello,
second largest bank collapse in US history, And and that

(14:33):
was led by vcs who are who present themselves as
these like very rational actors, smarter than everybody else, optimizing efficiency,
sound decision making. And these fools just freaked the hell
out and and called and and instigated a bank run
and and and truly rational behavior. We're like, keep calm,

(14:53):
carry on, it's gonna be okay. Even though Silicon Valley
Bank had some issues, it didn't need to go completely
belly up. It didn't need to like drain the insurance
fund and end up getting bailed out by by all
that money. Because people took out forty two billion dollars
in a single day. That's that's record setting panic. You know,
you can measure the size of the panic in billions.

(15:15):
So so these guys, you know, overfund things that don't
need it. Meanwhile, a lot of the solutions we do
need and climate in other areas are not funded. Housings
very underfunded, and their supposed genius is also just a
byproduct of like zero interest rate policies where money's free, right,
and so they have to like chase the return somewhere,

(15:38):
so they throw it into like a high speed burrito
delivery by drone service and call it innovation. And then
and then we're supposed to put them in charge of
like schools and healthcare. Yeah, because to take it all
over the tax rates too low. You know, like there's
there's a there's other things to do with that resource
and other things to do with our adoration than just
lauded on people who got ucky it hooped each other up. Right,

(16:02):
It feels like a lot of luck, a lot of
hooking each other up, and a lot of then retroactively
turning that into like a great by autobiography about like
how they did it all against the odds, pulled myself
up by these golden shoe shrafts. I indhered it from
my daddy, right, But I don't know just in general,

(16:22):
like because I this feels like a really good intersection
of you know what you talk about, which is like,
you know, maintaining hope, maintaining an active relationship to our democracy.
Died at the Dallas Fort Worth Internet eleven tenth because

(16:42):
it was a two day experience. But let's continue with
your Okay, thank you, Yes, thank you for clarifying the
But like it just feels like a lot of these
stories that we're covering day and day out, when it
comes to climate, when it comes to housing, when it
comes to even like crime, that like it's all like

(17:04):
this massive like weather system of people chasing profits that
we're all just like kind of attached to and like
nobody really has control over and it's just out there
doing its thing and people are kind of left to
make sense of the results. But I don't know, it

(17:26):
feels sort of out of control, and like it like,
how do you how do you think about you know,
impacting change and like actually like having power in a
society that is like so much driven by like VC
concerns and profitability and just you know, all of that stuff. Yeah,

(17:48):
I try to take a deep breath and know that
you know, some level of this two shall pass. Know
that we're not totally powerless. That there have been people
in other places in the world right now and other
moments in time throughout our history who've had a lot
less resource than the average you know, us dweller today

(18:09):
and have multiplied and found more power with others. You know,
they have done the thing we try to talk about
on the podcast. They have citizened as a version i'd
like a legal lawyer thing, but as a like people powered,
self governing thing. And and so you know, VC's gonna VC,
and and not all do it in the same way.
And there are some who recognize, oh, we should be

(18:32):
investing in the people we've divested from for many generations.
The returns are probably better because they're literally undervalued assets
as opposed to chasing the Stanford dropout again and again
and again. And then I think about and try to
find other stories. You know this, I feel like we're

(18:53):
I feel like I'm drowning in a wave of really
debilitating daily news. Yeah, it's just like everything's busted. It's
corruption everywhere. The politicians are fighting the wealthier stealing from
there like it's just bad. It's just bad. And then
the bats or lab employees are trying to kill us,

(19:13):
right like congressor's fighting over all of that too, And
that then that the broader truth, I guess, the deeper true,
that there's a lot of what we look for and
what we think we need we already have in pockets.
And there's there's people experimenting with other ways to be
so with money, you know, and economic stuff. Like we
have someone on our show this week, Kate Rayworth, who's

(19:35):
come up with a whole system called donut economics, which
is delicious because who doesn't like donuts. I'm already in
people who hate America. But otherwise, like good humans love doughnuts.
They're endlessly you know, circular fun. But you know, how
could we construct like profits aren't bad? Seeking them isn't

(19:58):
evil or destruct dive until it is, until it's the
only thing, and it kind of pushes out all other considerations.
So the donut economics thing says, take an image of
a donut. There's an outer you know, limit to what
defines a donut, and an inner limit where there's the
whole and in between you got tasty goodness. But that
outer limits earth and like planetary limitations, and we can't

(20:21):
just grow infinitely past those limitations or that's like cancer risk,
malignant growth that destroys the host and then the inner
circles like human dignity. There's just some basic stuff we
all need, housing, healthcare, food, Yagadi's right, and so we
each get those things and the latest tesla without the
mercurial CEO. And then in between, we can play. We

(20:44):
can have a lot of fun, we can fund things,
we can be silly, we can have dance parties, we
can indulge, but respecting boundaries to boundaries. Yeah, and so
a lot of what is exploding, you know, in the sense,
especially in economic stuff, is we're just out of balance
and we've optimized for one particular performance indicator without regard

(21:06):
to almost anything else, and so we're suffering for it,
our planet suffering, and our ability to live on the
ground that stays still under us and doesn't slide away
or burn up is also at risk too. So there's
good stories out there, there's other ways to see the
world and other ways to create that world that we
want to live in, and so I'm trying to shift
my attention and focus to those instead of just dwelling

(21:29):
on the crisis. Yeah, crises, that makes sense. Yeah. I
also I just like that you also make an outdoors show.
I would I would think that helps in a separate
way as well, Like you literally touch grass, like they
say on the internet, you go and see that the
manatees are still there, and we haven't lost that yet,
Alex Yo, So it's not separate at all. It's it's

(21:51):
literally connected. You know, Jack will remember this from the
early days of High the Citizen. We have these four
principles of what it means as a verb. It means
you participate. It means you best in relationships with yourself
with others in the planet around you. It means you
understand power, means you value the collective. But that connection
with nature, that's that's a part of how we are
part of any community. And I get to make a
whole show focused on that, which isn't technically a part

(22:14):
of the How the Citizen world, but it's part of
my world, and I think it's you know, it's part
of ours. And a week ago today, is it a
week ago to day? Yeah, I was swimming with manatees
that you're in the water. Yeah, in Florida, in the
springs on the Swanee River, and we didn't know, like
we have been hunting is the wrong word? Been searching
for manatees with this group of sciences would have been

(22:38):
such a turn. So we were out hunting. Man, we're
on a manatee hunt. And before we you know, slarter them.
I swam with some of them. Just might know we were.
These scientists have made it their mission to protect these beautiful, awkward,
ginormous creatures, so funny, so graceful, so weird looking, and

(23:01):
we didn't spot. We spent all the ey kayaked ten
miles searching for manatees with this biologist. My shoulders are burning,
and uh, we think, oh, that's a rap. We're having
lunch and we get a call there's manatees at the springs,
right across from the lunch spot where we started. So
they were trolling us. Uh, And we went over and

(23:24):
showed them what's what and got some great photos and
they came right up to me, and they're really beautiful
and majestics. And it's a humbling it's a humbling experience
to like swim with a sea cow. Ye, it's like funny. Look,
it's a cartoonish creature and also beautiful and graceful and
reminding me of our connection. There's a lot more life

(23:45):
than just ours, truly, a like living cartoon character. Just yeah,
what was such a fun so great that they exist?
It is It is a good workfort of people's citizening. Yes,
you know they should continent in you too. The only
reason we knew they were there was because there's a
guy who sits by the springs. He's like a big

(24:06):
white bearded dude, and he loves the river and he
loves manatees and he just like he did that. If
you see something, say something like an he phoned, like
the manatee team we got. Man, it's like, there's there's
three of them over here, the company you might want
to get over here, and uh so that that's they're
you know, they were part of the community, you know,

(24:26):
of the people who depend on this river. I think
that was was beautiful. That is there's also something really
joyful about and alert to come see manates like he
will succeed in getting there in time. I feel like,
I know, but we all get much worse alerts on
our phone than that. So I yeah, for a moment,
I was mana tuneday there. All right, let's take a

(24:50):
quick break, we'll come back. We'll find out what you
think is under it. We'll be in there and we're back.
And I loved that American Airlines ad you just ran

(25:10):
that with. Yeah, so well, you know, they give good haircuts.
It's mainly an advertisement for the barbershops. Yeah, so it's
sort of like a speakeasy, you go through the plane
into the chair. You know that they're trying to build
their own communities of people, travelers who then become workers

(25:30):
for What is something that you think is underrated? I
think the movie The Woman King is rated. I I
just loved it way more than I expected. I saw
the poster and I was just confused. I had no

(25:52):
idea what it was about. I hadn't read anything about it,
hadn't heard anything about it. And I saw a little
blurb and went to see it with my wife and
we were both rocked by this story. And so I
think every actor in that, but you know, especially the
women actors and the youngest one and Viola Davis, they
all just crushed. And there's this beautiful symbolic representation of

(26:14):
like civil war within you know, an African community, within
a Black community. I love the honesty of the whole,
like the way they treated the history of enslavement, you know,
to the Americas and the participation of African nations and
selling you know, some of their own people or as
they saw them, their enemies people, you know, into bondage.
That's that's like a third rail that a lot of

(26:35):
folks don't talk about women warriors, you know, we don't
hear that story. It's it was like a real life Wakonda. Yeah,
and I love Black Panther and I love Wakanda, and
a fiction is very powerful. But to have like a
factual ish, you know, representation of a kingdom that truly existed,
I found to be really really powerful as well. So

(26:56):
love that movie. Was sad that the campaign of the
two Leslie thing I seem to have bumped it from
the slot of positive denominations, and so I wanted to
give some attention to that. It really felt like a
shoeing for like a bunch of Oscar attention, let alone
like just none, which was yeah, frustrated, underrated. People should

(27:20):
check out The Woman King. Yeah, Gina Prince Biswood who
made Loving Basketball The Old Guard, which we covered on
this that I really like The Old Guard by the way. Yeah,
it was really fun. It also like hit right when
we were getting into the pandemic and like shut down
and so we were like, we're just talking about things

(27:42):
that are streaming on the data side, guys right now.
And that was a really fun one. But yeah, she
made The Woman King. It's really really cool. Yeah, I
appreciate this tip. I'm not in the habit of being
in theaters again yet. I just haven't gotten going out
of and so other than everything everywhere all at once,
which we stream, I've just missed all the new movies lately.
So that's good enough. Yeah, well, you can still see

(28:05):
Top Gun Maverick for the next three years. I think
we're there this contract with the exhibitors, and yeah, you'll
be alone in the theater by that point. But it's
some things are beautiful on the big screen. Yeah, you
don't have to rent the theater anymore. Top Guns saved
movie theaters at gunpoint. That's very Americans. All Right, it's

(28:27):
time for our famous segment, stock corner, Jack's stock corner,
where I talk about all the happenings. There's the famous
intro sound bit. All right. So, Credit Sweez shares plunged
yesterday by roughly twenty five percent, which caused other bank

(28:48):
stocks to fall. This was sparked in part by the
fact that their largest shareholder, Saudi National Bank, publicly stated
it wouldn't beef up its investment, and a lot of
people are framing it as a piece with the recent
bank failure in the US, and there's some debate, but
people think that they've actually been that this is something

(29:10):
that's been ongoing. Maybe there is, like just in the
sense that these are all humans responding to stimulus and
one bank failed and they're like, you know, there's panic
in the air. Maybe it's related in that way. But
Credit Sueee has been struggling for years following a steady
stream of customers pulling their money, which has allegedly slowed

(29:32):
but not stopped according to even their CEO. And like
the reasons why customers keep pulling money is that they
are constantly embroiled in scandals, which have included admitting to
defrauding investors as well as being accused of helping to
launder money on behalf of the Bulgarian mafia, of all

(29:53):
the mafias like that. I mean, look, I'm not trying
to you know, I'm not even gonna say it because
I don't want to be in the wrong side of anyone.
I respect bull mafias equally, but just ye, just the
word the word having Bulgarian mafia throw on top. Yeah,
and then also serving clients involved in drug trafficking and torture.
So did they take a hippocritic banking oath where they

(30:14):
like agree to serve anyone like criminals, mafio, so it's
like we bank with anybody. It's a yeah, the commitment.
This also just more countries than I expected, Like why
why is the Swiss credit sweet bank mainly run by
a Saudi bank and then also funding the Bulgarian mafia,

(30:36):
Like like this is a real set of pieces of
string across a map with pushpins that I did not expect. Yeah,
it is, It's very true, Alex. Yeah, it's almost like
some kind of global conspiracy. But I don't know, I
guess so as we're seeing things like this, and again,

(30:56):
it just feels like this weather system if you like,
anytime I see like one of the stock channels, the
finance channels, it really feels like it's just one big,
like wet weather channel where they're just like, oh, you know,
just responding to stimulant. There's like the predictions are you know,

(31:18):
all over the place, and like, I guess, I'm just wondering,
do you see the ideas that you cover and you know,
you guys talked in the Adrian Marie Brown interview about
fractals and like this idea of like small changes that
can like kind of move up and like become kind
of replicate themselves over large swaths of Like people like,

(31:43):
are you seeing pick up for any of these progressive
ideas that aren't just purely driven by profit like the
outside outside of this system, because it does feel like
there's going to be an opportunity as the these things
fail more and more in the coming years. Like it

(32:04):
feels like the economy is not in a great place
for long term and so no, we we're really um
as as the finance people would say, we're highly levered, right,
we are in there. We have a lot of debt,
and our economy and the US in particular the West
in general powered by consumption. So which is you know,

(32:26):
a consumptive addiction, Like we have to keep consumers confidence
up in consumer spending up. Otherwise the whole game kind
of falls apart, and it's a confidence game. You know,
if we our money is not all in the bank, right,
I'm not trying to stir up shit. That's just like
a mathematical fact. We never all wanted out at the

(32:47):
same time. So we can perpetuate stability based on that
trust and faith in the full credit you know of
of the governments that backed these banks, but that that
trust is as eroted. So I am seeing evidence of
other systems of trust. Let me talk to you about
cryptocurrency and it's a great opportunity. And so yeah, we've

(33:09):
got another sponsor lost. Oh boy, I tell you what. No,
I you know the donut economics thing that I mentioned
earlier with Kate Rayworth. That's not just like an academic
out there giving Ted talks about possible ideas. There are cities,
you know, Barcelona, Amsterdam, cities in the US as well,

(33:32):
who have started to adopt a view of economics that
accounts for some of these limits a lower limit and
an upper limit, and tries to set up new measurements.
I mean, we have a measurement of inflation, we have
a measurement of gross domestic product. We have a really
questionable measurement of employment and unemployment, and those are kind

(33:52):
of like the levers that we use. And then we
have a big break and gas pedal on interest rates.
FED imposes and the president party kind of doesn't matter,
like the Fed's going to do their thing. And there's
there's a lot more ways we could calibrate our relationship
with money and with value, and I even I joke

(34:13):
a little bit about crypto. But we had an episode
with this web three community friends with benefits. The mayor
of that group just talking about how they've set up
the community not to necessarily like buy and trade the
coins and like get rich off of membership, which is
speculation and kind of ponzi ish. Really thinking about a
membership club and like how you value members how you

(34:36):
recognize that value, how you would encourage a member to
bring the cool stuff they want to build to the group.
You know, it's like I have an idea, I want
to do it. I'm gonna ue all by myself because
I don't wan anybody else to get paid off of it.
Like there's one way to approach it. Or I could
bring it to the crew, my family. Maybe it's been
a little club and get help and then we share

(34:56):
in that it's still versions of capitalism them. I'm not
promoting a communist way of thinking, though it would be
interpreted that way by people who fear losing control over
the current system. But there's other ways to value our
relationships and to credit people for what they offer and
our quote unquote economy now doesn't do that very well.

(35:17):
We had a lot of uncompensated labor by by women
and by moms and my parents in general. Yeah, you
know what I'm saying, Jackie, is you should get paid
for this parent teacher meeting that you're going today. Absolutely,
that's yeah. I mean I told you, I do the work.
I bring my own spreadsheet to show them. You have
a shirt with a collar, you told us, and it's

(35:37):
not normal for you. So you probably bought a shirt.
You know how hard it is for me to keep
this shirt on it. I have so many T shirts
that are more comfortable than this button. So your cause
playing responsible, Dad's right and exactly. So, yeah, there's there's
other ways of of us relating to to the money thing,

(36:00):
to the economy thing. We had a whole season of
our podcast on a season two was all about, you
know how the citizen through the economy. It's like hard
to show up in citizen when you can't pay to bills,
and so what are some other ways we can relate
to that that don't involve like violent revolution. Turns out
there's a lot of space between violent revolution and what
we're living through right now. A lot of peaceful possibilities. Yeah,

(36:23):
that's really interesting. And I'm also thinking about all the
different institutions and models you bring up on how it
seems like all of them have less support than banks.
Like the past week or so has really taught me
that the government is a first responder if a bank
needs something like they are on the ball, they're sliding
down the pole of the fire station. They are ready

(36:44):
to go. Yeah, that's a great observation, a sad truth,
you know behind it there, you know the way we
deal with poverty. There's there's a lot of people struggling,
and a lot of folks are made to feel like
it's their fault. Yes, it's like, oh, you don't have
enough to feed your kids, you're a bad mom or
a bad parent, or maybe you're just living in a

(37:05):
bad economic situation. Maybe there's no opportunities where you are.
Maybe the hoops that the government puts you through that
they didn't put you know, the depositors of Silicon Valley
Bank through, could be realigned. It's very expensive to be
poor in this country. The amount of paperwork involved in it.
You'd need a full time executive assistant just to be

(37:25):
able to afford being poor. You know, to get all
the benefits you're allegedly due and and so just giving
people money in terms of you know, guaranteed income at
certain levels is something that works. We featured, you know,
folks who have those kind of programs running as well
out of Oakland and out of the southeast of the US. Yeah.

(37:47):
The fact that the US government basically fired the entire
bureaucracy that is like was built to help you with
the stuff, like with all the paperwork, with like doing
your taxes as way hard you're here than anywhere else,
and just it's like automatic applying. Yeah. Yeah, they said,
here's what happens. You get paid, and whoever pays you

(38:09):
has to tell the government. And at the end of
the year, the government asks you how much did you
get paid? And you're like, but you already, you're already,
you're you're literally it's in the cloud, bro, Like it's
your cloud, like you know, you tell me. And then
we've created a whole industry of dodging and fudging and
deducting and accounting for just for most people. It's not required,

(38:33):
it shouldn't be required, and it's making some people very wealthy. Yeah,
but it's making most of us, you know, poorer in
experience and in hard money. Yeah, h R and Block
are making a killing the rest of us as they
lobbied against simplification. Yeah, of course, just like the people

(38:53):
who ran Silicon Valley Bank lobbied against rules that might
have prevented you know, them from taking these risky positions,
which you know, stap the confidence in their holdings we keep.
It's like we're getting I'm gonna I'm gonna expand this positively,
Jack Alex. We are being given repeat opportunities to learn
a certain lesson. Yeah, isn't that I've learned the hell

(39:17):
out of that lesson. I am on board. I need
some other people to learn that lesson. And I just
I do feel like as like you know, just reading
like the tea leaves of the zeitgeist. Like you know,
you guys talked about on your podcast that like we
are no longer at the place where we're waiting to
see the effects of climate change. We are now in

(39:38):
a world where you are either privileged enough to not
be like dealing with the effects of climate change every day,
or you are feeling them, and you're like there there
is a tension there, there's a tension between like the
conversations that we're having and the existing order of people
who are just chasing profit, like the future be damned,

(40:01):
and like I'm also seeing you know, even though we
were never huge fans of Elon Musk, like his kind
of embracing of like these like kind of right wing
memes and talking points, Like I'm wondering if there's going
to be more of a like they're going to build

(40:23):
out a pseudo intellectual like lattice work that like I
think they already have and I think it's just like
getting more and more popular, this like right word shift
of like the people who are in control. Do you
do you like see all that stuff just being connected
in some ways, Yeah, there is a connection. And the

(40:45):
wealthy and white inheritor of South Africa is a perfect
avacar for this moment. Is he really? Is he really?
Is that the that infrastructure ideological It shows up in
a place like Hilldale College, which is very well funded
and promoting from an academic lens, anti critical race theory,

(41:06):
anti wokeness. So I guess pro sleepness right for being
Yeah we are stop woke, stay asleep, Okay, okay, Governor,
the best American is asleep American. And you know, there's
a lot of incentive and benefit in the short term

(41:30):
for folks to try to preserve and protect something that
only accrues value to a few. Yeah, and if you
tell the story the right way, the real feeling of
loss that a lot of us feel, not just liberals
like concerns, all kinds of people are experiencing a sense
of dramatic change, dispossession and loss. The story you tell

(41:50):
to explain it is how most people believe it happened, right,
And so there's an infrastructure of storytelling to say it's
a Muslim Mexican from China who is the reason that
your gas prices are really high right now, the reason
that you can't afford milk, the reason that things just
don't feel the way they used to, the reason there's

(42:10):
more different folks in your neighborhood now, the reason there's
no Jesus. And this, like the instability with feeling, has
other explanations, ones I think are much more sound, and
ones that give us an opportunity to try to find
stability in all this change. But folks like Elon, you know,
they are addicted to attention, and that gets attention right now,

(42:32):
that counter narrative, that transgressive tone and vibe. It's very
very wealthy people complaining that they don't have a voice. Yeah,
the guy who social media network, it's like I can't
be heard. Yeah no, But and he is, you know,
to someone who is inherited advantage and privilege, anything smacking

(42:53):
of equality feels like oppression, right, And so this guy,
he really is an extraordinary avatar for that that psychology,
that frame of mind which says, I rich, the EO
of four companies need a fifth or three companies need
a fourth, And I'm going to buy a vocal platform.
And even when I sit at top that if everybody

(43:14):
doesn't see all of my tweets, I'm going to literally
re engineer it. People are going to get fired, yes,
and the people who remain are going to stay up
all night and hack together a solution so that I
maintain my sense of security and value. Now that the
real twis is like I identify with that. I don't
like feeling insecure or less valuable. I just don't have

(43:36):
the means to impose that in the world, you know,
in the way that Elon does. And I think it'd
be a really destructive world if we all chose to
use our power that way. So his use of power
like this really is sad. It actually just deepens the
truth of his insecurity. Like you're so fragile that you
had to spend billions of dollars, some of your own,

(43:57):
a lot of other people you had to displace a
bunch of work or some of whom have medical conditions
and healthcare needs and visa requirements. Right, you have to
destroy a ton of economic value because you're so weak
feeling man, I'm sorry. Yeah, that's actually a really sad
existence and is nothing to be emulated. There's nothing exciting
or proud about that. That's actually someone who's deeply hurt, right, Yeah,

(44:22):
so let's give him a hug, you know it's gonna
be Elon a big hug, and then take his money
and give it to poor people. Yeah, hug and reach
into a pocket. Just yes, that's easy, two steps. No,
I that is so dead on. Like what when we
were talking about times when news is hard or is
unpleasant to consume, Like, I feel like a lot of

(44:43):
news in the past few years has been about like
deeply sad, unwarped dudes like Elon musk or like, like
there's no point detailing Donald Trump's ways where he is
that way, but like he used to call places with
rumors about what a great guy he is under a
fake name, you know. I mean, like, that's just it's
just sad. Even if you agree with everything he's into,

(45:04):
that is also a bummer about him. That's not good. No,
I think there is. There are wounded little boys running
around in man suits, yeah, inflicting their wounds on the world,
and that that's infuriating And there's a part of me
that just wants to shame people for that. It's like,
how dare you? You should know better? Like you have
resources you can you can buy better help, you know,

(45:25):
instead of buying Twitter, buy the better health therapy platform
and work on your ship, you know what I mean. God,
But um, that's not very compassionate and I don't think
that actually helps. And I think you know, you've brought
up Adrian and Rebrown a few times. Jack, I'll appreciate
that this conversation about fractals that we had wasn't just
some esoteric chat about you know, artistic patterns in the world,

(45:48):
but there's there's some mathematical realities that like very small
level patterns repeat at very large scales, and we can
see it in this kind of AI looking art, but
we can also see it in biological structure, and I
think in behavior. You know, it starts at home. Like
Trump came from a house, he came from a neighborhood,
he came from a school. He came from TV shows

(46:09):
where they were producers and executives who all modeled or
encouraged or at a minimum allowed this behavior such that
we all get to experience it at the large scale, right,
And so the reverse has to be true too, if
we concede more compassion. You know, these these dudes that
shoot up these schools and theaters and everything, a lot
of them are hurting. I heard one interview with this kid,

(46:31):
and he's not It was a quote he's like he
was in such depressive pain, and he was like, I
guess I have to be a school shooter, right right,
Like it was like a job description that he was
destined to because of his pained emotional state. And so
like that's when outcome our guests. I have to be
mean like Donald Trump. I guess I have to be

(46:53):
callous like Elon Musk because that's what you do with
your pain, because we're not educating, you know, ourselves on
other ways to handle it. So it's it's real ugly
and nasty, and I want to be super I am
really frustrated at it, but I'm also like I've felt
those feelings myself too. Yeah, And I'd be lying if
I said that, like I'm that different from Elon Muskin.

(47:15):
We're still both human beings. Yeah. Again, I just don't
have the wherewithal the resources to act out the way
he does. And and for many of us, we would
be met with a different response if we did. Yeah,
like somebody would smack me down well before I made
it to the Elon level of the game. Oh no,
you have different rules. You have different rules. You can't

(47:36):
do that. Yeah. We talked like all the way back
on the Cracked podcasts about when Trump was just running
for president. We were talking about how it seemed like
this narcissistic personality disorder was the new like cheap code
for American fame and capitalism. And I think we've seen

(48:00):
that like that. That's really where the fractals thing makes
sense to me, is that at a very personal level,
like you said, thinking about what all the things that
happened in his life to shape him into that person,
but then that just getting exploded and turning our entire
civilization like that, how like the nervous system of our

(48:24):
nation into like a replica of what what he values
and what is broken inside of him. But you know,
we we've definitely seen in other times, like you were
saying earlier, like we've seen in other time periods the
opposite that, like people who have great values and great

(48:46):
courage can then lead entire movements that have very small
and simple beginnings, so and and and without. You know,
it doesn't require celebrity or like the scale of millions
right for us to ex experience that. We can do
it now, yeah, right, like we can show up. You know,
there's I had moments in my painful literally painful interaction

(49:10):
with this airline, with this airport of you know, I
feel on my inner elon like I didn't pay for this, right,
this is I don't deserve to be treated like this is.
This is aft Uba and I deserve and me me
and and I felt that a lot. And that's not
like every moment I'm all like zen about it. But
there are times when I could also look to my

(49:32):
fellow passengers and we just had to laugh. Yeah, and
being I was exhausted with the fury, and there was
another emotion we could tap into and feeling that connection,
like we're sharing this moment together and seeing people help
each other, and you know, people like I look like
I'm very able bodied, and folks had to be paying

(49:53):
attention to know that I was struggling, and it almost
brought me to tears to have like someone much older
than me help me with my and that's just like, man,
I'm not used to asking for help. Yeah, it makes
me feel a certain type of dependency or weakness. And
then but we feel stronger together when we acknowledge that.
And so like it was a gift to that dude

(50:15):
to let him help me, And that was his way
of participating in this moment in a way that maybe
channeled his rage into something more productive, which is like
mutual aid instead. So they're you know, Gandhi's great. You
know what I'm saying, Like Obama on a good day, right,
you know, Michelle better, But like there's somebody at your kids' school, Jack, Right,

(50:37):
there's somebody who lives next to you, Alex, Like there's
somebody maybe in each of our homes who you know,
is already giving us an opportunity or showing us, you know,
how to model that energy that we do want to
see replicated at the larger scale. And if we all
show up that way, we'll produce, you know, something that's
the inverse of a of a musk or a trump. Yeah, well,

(50:58):
so let's let's go. Y's right. And and also with
all the men we've been talking about, Like our our
friend Jason Purgeon was posting the other day about the
idea that men, especially American men, are just kind of
taught that asking for help in any way makes you
a burden on other people and is really discuriated, and
so like it seems to develop a lot of these

(51:19):
negative figures being male, and also then as the rest
of us, if we're male, I think it's good to
be cognizant of that extra barrier we might be carrying
to doing this kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, we can
put some of that burden down. It's very uh, it's
very weak to be unwilling to acknowledge moments of weakness. Yeah, yeah,

(51:40):
it turns out it's it's yeah, actually turns on itself.
And so yeah, there's been many men. I'm thinking about
Creed right now, which I haven't seen yet, but John
at the Major's Michael B. Jordan, all these you know,
photos and posters of them embracing have flowers and stuff
and still being jacked. Right, Like, masculinity is much more

(52:01):
holistic than um. Then we've been miseducated into believing, and
especially you know, as a black dude, like we've been
heaped upon with a lot of ideas of what our
masculinity and brutality is supposed to be aka the same thing, right,
But there's every every flavor of man is up against

(52:23):
some image that isn't realistic. It's it's this hyper real
and stereotypical and damaging, whether it's like homosexual, heterosexual, whether
it's softness versus hardness, whether it's yeah, it's intellectual pursuit
versus physical pursuit, Like manhood is all that. Yeah, we

(52:47):
just started a movement, yak at us. Manhood is all that.
I mean. All right, thank you guys both for for
sharing all that. Let's take a quick break and we'll
be back to talk about Netflix real quick. We'll be
right back and we're back I don't know if you

(53:13):
guys can hear the parent teacher conference means the kids
are home and they are in the back expressing, expressing themselves.
I think it might, Um, Alex, I don't hear anything,
do you. I don't hear anything, though, Yeah, this might.
This is the moment Jack just admitted that my kids
aren't real. It's no, it's okay, like you hear them
in your head and that's cool. He might, he might

(53:36):
need a little rest, that's right. There's nothing weak about
admitting that. Jack, Very manly of you. Yeah, so real quick.
Because we had talked about the fact that there was
a Netflix one hundred and fifty million dollar rom com
that was being ordered directed by romantic comedy titan Nancy Myers,
who directed movies like It's Complicated, The Holiday, The Father

(54:00):
of the Bride, and the budget just didn't really make
sense to me, just because I'd never heard of a
roncom being at that budget. Right, it's not like they
need a lot of like cgi and cranes. Yeah, you know,
going to Budapest, Like, it's not mission impossible. So our
writer J. M McNabb went and did some research on

(54:21):
this because, like, whoa whoa can I just pause you
right there, Jack, You have someone on staff who goes
in researches that does before we talk about believe it. Okay,
that is way too responsible. He does a great job
fascinating any Canadians, so he's not swept up in all
this bullshit. You know, he's got a great perspective on everything.

(54:43):
The listeners will be hearing from him in the trending
episode I think later today or nice. I do like
imagining Canadian information comes from some pristine spring in the north,
like some beautiful well. I always thought it was an
old Canadian information. I always thought it was funny. Canadians
had like some of the funniest people when it came

(55:04):
to making observations or you know, creating characters based around
like things that we thought of as stereotypically like American
pop culture, and like I think there is like having
that remove and just being like, well this is absurd
from from a very young age is probably probably helpful.

(55:24):
But anyways, he pointed out that you know that while
the Romcom Ticket to Paradise with George Clooney and Julia
Roberts cost sixty million dollars, so that's less than half
of what Netflix was even offered huge names, right. So,

(55:45):
but the thing that's happening here is in a theatrical movie,
they can give these movie stars like points on like
a portion of the profit. So that keeps the budget
the back end points on the back end maybe, And
so that's how these budgets stay low, whereas with Netflix

(56:07):
they do not do that. And so everybody has to
be paid up front. And that's why these Netflix budgets
are like so wild, like yeah, so that you have
to get paid up front all the money you might
ever make for the life of the film exactly. So
then what I would love to see from your fancy

(56:28):
Canadian is, you know, four to sixty million dollars you know,
upfront fee in the traditional model, Like what's that back
end at up too? Sure? And for the for the
kind of like the total payout associated with the lifetime budget,
if you will. Yeah, and Netflix, the lifetime budget happens
in a moment in a traditional film, it happens over

(56:50):
let's say fifteen years maybe, So what's the expected value
of a fifteen years And let's see if if your
neighbor to the north can handle I would guess It's
probably like in the case of Ticket to Paradise, they
probably were getting each like probably thirty million. On top
of like, I think that budget probably would have been
more like, if it was being made for Netflix, would

(57:12):
have been more like one hundred and one hundred million.
If only we had a way to know these things, right, Yeah, well, well,
I mean I'm using the Netflix's proposed budget for this
Nancy Myers film was one hundred and thirty million, and
she was like, I need it to be one hundred
and fifty million, and they were like deals off, So
they had that number was apparently coming from somewhere on

(57:36):
their end. Do you think that that Nancy Myers and
our team regret holding that line. I don't know that.
Did you think like Netflix might have counted You think, oh,
they'll counter yeah, and they're like and there's like, no,
we're good. We actually told you one thirty you meant
it anyways, good luck at h Yeah. But so a
lot of people were making wonder if if like this

(57:56):
story is almost a trailer for this future movie whenever,
you know what I mean, Like this is the origin
story of this thing like this, it was like the
movie too amazing for Netflix, and like, now I care
about I just wanted they should call it watch what
we did with the extra twenty really good? That's right?

(58:17):
I mean I would watch that. I'd be like, I'm
so curious, like how how this how this math sound?
As a as a VC might say, Yeah, absolutely, it's
it's the same movie, but iron Man walks through one
time just really quickly, right, yeah, And they have insane
music scory, you know, it's like they licensed everything. One
of the dates takes place on the Helly Carrier from

(58:37):
the Avengers because Scarlett Johansson was supposed to be in it,
So it only makes sense, all right, Well, baritone day,
such a pleasure having you on the Daily's I used
as always, where can people find you? Follow you, hear
you all that good stuff? They can find me on
the internet wherever are found? I am, I am all

(58:58):
of them. I've made sure. But you know the show
is how to Citizen. That's the most current accessible thing,
how to Citizen dot com. And they're obviously listening to
a great podcast right now. So just flip that dial,
like the Jen Alpas would say, and tune into the
how to Citizen jam on that and I write at Puck.
We didn't talk anything about that, but I do a

(59:19):
lot of long form writing over there, and I'm really
having fun exploring topics of artificial intelligence plus racism, which
sometimes they're in the same article. Who yeah. Otherwise, just
you know, smile, be grateful for things, and take it
easy on yourself. The world is hard enough. Yeah, yeah.
Is there a work of media that has been allowing

(59:42):
you to take it easy on yourself? All right? So
ain't no Mountain high enough? As performed by Marvin Gay
and Tammy Terrell. This song almost came out of a
divine inspiration moment. All roads lead back to Dallas Fort
Worth in an anial airport. Okay, So I'm like storming
through this airport in pain and anger for the last

(01:00:04):
plane change, and I click my little air pod because
I'm fancy to resume listening to a podcast about the
history of racism masquerading as concerned for abortion by the
evangelical base in this country. Really light stuff, perfect for
the mood I was in there, you go, and and
my phone was like, you don't need to hear that,

(01:00:24):
you need to hear this, And for I don't know
why this happened, but this song just started playing in
stereo on my head, and it was like, ain't no
no mountain high enough, aint no Violet know enough to
keep me from you? And it was just it was great.
It was a real mood. Booster reminded me that you know,
whatever experience we're having, we can shift, you know, the

(01:00:45):
experience of it, even a very negative one. And I
found myself smiling, and I sent my wife the song.
I was like, I'm going through all this for you,
but I said I love you, know, and she took
it with love. Yeah, gotten, if it weren't for you,
I wouldn't be going through. I didn't say that if
nothing can keep me from you, even this black hole

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of an airport and this joke of an airline. So
I recommend that there's a great YouTube video of the
two of them actually singing it. But you can find
it on your streamer of choice, whatever you already pay
for have free access to, and enjoy yourself. There you go,
Alex Schmidt, what a pleasure of having you as co
host for these last couple of days. Where can people
find you? Follow you all that good stuff? Yeah, it's

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been such a joy being here and uh and yeah,
I Make Secretly incredibly fascinating the podcast with my cost
Katie Golden of Creature, Feature Fame and other things. Really
love making that. If you search secretly in your podcast app,
you'll find it. And I don't think I said yesterday.
I've been writing a monthly column for one nine hundred
hotdog dot com, which is a wonderful comedy website if
you miss how comedy websites used to be. It's a

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really good one. And it has the wackiest name of
come Across. Yeah. That that's great. I'm definitely checking that out.
That's yeah, you reminding me of Internet Comedy of Your
just with that title, so yeah, fantastic. Yeah, it's from
some of the great comedy writers of Internet of Your
So that's awesome. Yeah. Oh and media tip, I've really

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been enjoying Gilmore. Girls had never seen it. It's great.
It's streaming on Netflix under the US. Nice. All right,
you can find yeah Jack, where can we find you?
I mean obviously little old me. Yeah, after you can
find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien here twice
a day over on Miles and Jack Got Matt Boosties

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our weekly NBA podcast, And yeah, I've been enjoying secretly
incredibly fascinating and how to citizen look at this panderer.
It's great. Look man, I have a lot of fun
here with a lot of podcasts, but it's food for
the soul. Both of them highly it's great. Go check

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them out. You can find us on Twitter at daily
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in today's episode, as well as a song that we
think you might enjoy. Super producer Justin is there a
song that you think people might enjoy on this Thursday morning. Yeah,

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considering our discussion of capitalism and uncompensate to labor and
the fucked up tax system running rampant, I thought of
this song. It has a Peter Gabriel Pink Floyd eighties
white guy based type of vibe. It sounds like the
sounds like the opening of a modern day Miami Vice
and it repeats the line money ain't no good to

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me and it's it's great. So you can check the
song out it's called Money by Leisure and you can
find that song in the footnotes foot notes. The Daily
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