Scathing Christian Art Review, Jared And Ivanka’s Luxe Bubble 11.30.20

In episode 768, Jack and Miles are joined by comedian Veronica Kwiatkowski to discuss Trump's plans for the end of his term, Twitter's Fleets, Democrats classically being cowards, Christian art, where Ivanka and Jared will go, and more!

FOOTNOTES:

1. Trump Races to Weaken Environmental and Worker Protections, and Implement Other Last-Minute Policies, Before Jan. 20
2. The Trump administration is targeting homeless trans people in the middle of a pandemic
3. Tracking the Trump Administration’s “Midnight Regulations”
4. How Twitter’s Disappearing Fleets Could Be a Disinformation Disaster
5. The Democrats’ Maddening Cowardice Is Carrying Over into the Biden Era
6. “O CHRISTIAN ART, WHY CAN'T YOU BE GOOD?”
7. Why Is Christian Art So Often Bad?
8. What Happened to Christian Art? (Why Is CCM So Awful?)
9. Why are Christian movies so painfully bad?
10. In Protest of the Protestant Art Ethic
11. As Their D.C. Days Dwindle, Ivanka and Jared Look for a New Beginning
12. WATCH: Mr Twin Sister - Meet The Frownies

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season one, sixty two,
Episode one of Daily Like Guys to Buy a Heart Radio.
This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
into America's share consciousness. And it's Monday, November, fifty some
odd days until January. My name is Jack O'Brien, a

(00:21):
k woke up this morning. My last name was O'Brien.
That is courtesy of the Pod Yourself Gun podcast. Now
that song is stuck in my head. I just did
the Pod yourself at all that Matt leave it out.
I think it's out this week. We'll be out by
the time that this episode that people are listening to

(00:43):
right now drops. But very fortunate to do the Pine
Barons episode of Sopranos, my favorite episode, the only Understode
that I knew the knew the title of uh and
it was a blast. People should check it out and
pod yourself and done. Hey, but who's that that I'm
talking can too? I'm thrilled to be joined dads. Always
buy my co host Mr Miles Miles Gray and don't

(01:07):
miss out on the savings on this cyber Mon Gray
so much, you know what I mean? Or saber whatever
the fun is going on. I just thought of that
right now. So shout out to myself, thank you, thank you. Welcome. Yeah,
shout out to consumer capitalism creating this wonderful holiday for
all of us to enjoy. It's so unsettling because you

(01:30):
don't know, you know, as some look, I'm anna admit it.
I like a deal. You know, I'll be the first admitted.
I like to see you admit that. I know a
lot of people don't know this about me. I love this.
I love the savings. But when you start having cyber
Mondays and Black Fridays and all this other ship, I'm
put in paralysis because I'm like, well, when's the when
is the actual deal? Like what is happening? So I said,

(01:54):
fuck it, I just bought a bathrobe and I'm good.
M hm h miles. Before we uh introduce our guest,
let's tell the listeners a couple of things we're talking about.
We're gonna look at the evil ship that Trump is
just ramming through on his way out. We're gonna talk
about fleets. We're gonna talk about shook dems. We're gonna

(02:15):
talk about contemporary Christian art, uh and why it's so
bad all the time, and I'm I'm using the words
of Christian websites to determine that it's bad. They're like,
why is our art bad? We'll talk about Gerard and Vanka.
I don't know Kushner. I think that's what he should

(02:36):
do to try and rebrand Gerard Kushner. We're gonna talk
about Clipper the Big Red Dog, all of that and
plenty more. But first we are thrilled to be joined
in our third seat by the hilarious, the talented Veronica
Quick Caskey. Hey, I'm doing well. Yeah, you just shared

(03:03):
some news with us. Yeah, you guys. I mean, I'm
doing well, but I do currently have COVID. This is
the first for our Can we get an air horn there?
It's not ok Yeah, it's okay, so we can verify
now for anyone. Family members are like, it's not real.
Play this episode and be like this comedian has it?
So what now? Well, my dad or uncle or whoever

(03:26):
whomever you're having an argument with. Oh man, are at
a crowded Thanksgiving a table right now? I noticed, Yeah,
there's surrounded by relatives. Yeah, and there's a bunch of
old people in my living room very quiet, like I'm
recording only plastic utensils in paper plates, so because it

(03:46):
makes sounds, but you're doing okay physically, Like I know,
it's it's tough to be to be ill. So yes,
I'm okay. I thankfully that I have very thankful that
I have a very mild case. I think I have
a little bit of COVID brain, so hopefully I like
put sentences together. But yeah, kind of just like tired,
and I can't smell um or taste anything. And then
it's it's weird because it's it's very much in my

(04:07):
sinuses only, which I didn't know was necessarily so different
for people. Yeah, it's so different, but the taste and
smell thing really seems to be like consistent. Yeah, it's
nearly like it's weird. Okay, now that you you can
indulge all my curiosity. I mean I have a few
of my friends also had COVID and said the same thing.

(04:28):
But are we talking your full blown your taste buds
just on mute? Nothing like I can eat an onion
right now, and it's not like just nothing I drank
this morning. I drank orange juice after brushing my teeth.
Didn't even notice. You're just doing all the things that
taste bad, Like I can't do anything eating cigarettes for
no reason. I had a dark chocolate bar and then

(04:50):
a bunch of passion fruit juice that bad, bad combo.
I don't know. I'm just like whenever I have chocolate
and then I ever wanted sip something after. If it's
not like water, it's always a fucking mess like whatever
it is, like it's like a soda, like like no snow.

(05:10):
I mean, although passion fruit and chocolate do go together
very well, it's just something about when you have like
sweet dairy flavor in your mouth and then the citric
A said, I don't know what, Yeah, it's not it.
What have you been eating to somewhat? Is there? Like
get over the monotony of it all? Oh man, I
mean I can. I can sense like spices. So I
ordered some Indian food last night and I got like

(05:30):
extra hot. I was just like I need to feel something. Um,
it's like spicy foods. Like I'm but having a lot
of loaded baked potato soup for like the I guess
the texture. It's just so funny. I'm realizing like how
much of what I eat is for pure pleasure and
like not to feel my body. And like the other day,
I know it. I had like some bree cheese and
I was like, oh, maybe I'll make cheese and crackers.

(05:51):
And I was like, what's the point, bitch's gonna do
anything for you. It's not gonna taste like anything. So you, like,
I think the default is to assume that would just
eat healthy because you can't taste anything. But like the
like the guy from Ben and Jerry's like the he
came up with the idea of like putting just chocolate
and all sorts of like caramel and all that stuff

(06:13):
into ice cream because he didn't have a sense of taste.
So it's like there's something yeah he did. Yeah, one
of either Ben or Jerry does not have a sense
of taste. And so that's why texture is a bigger Yeah,
but texture is a big like that. That's why they
added all that stuff was so that they could get

(06:35):
some textures. Shout out to either of you. Alright, Veronica,
let's get to something from your search history. Uh that's
revealing about who you are, what you're up to. Well,
I think everything I'm going to have for you is
probably related to my COVID, But uh, I googled the
other day. I was like, can you have nikel every
night for two weeks straight? I was wondering, Um, I

(06:58):
can attest to the fact that you can do it
for two years? Really? Okay? Everything I've reading said that
it was like watch out, you could get addicted. I'm like, yeah,
but well oh yeah, well yeah, wait what are we
talking about? You can do anything? Yeah? Yeah, h you're
having trouble sleeping a little bit? Yeah, it's like, no, man,

(07:20):
I do it during the day. It right now? Yeah,
that I called COVID brain. But you know, I'm just
that leap. I've been searching that, and then I've also
been looking up just literally every member of the royal
family because I just started watching The Crown, so I'm like, wait,
who's this person? And then I keep getting mad that
it's like the show is getting spoiled for me. And
then I'm like, wait this because this like is real,
right right right? How do you ever try? I remember

(07:43):
I've done that in other movies where like, you know,
there's like a full blown Wikipedia article about the thing
a movie or show is about, and like I'll blur
my eyes to try and be like I don't want
to know. Oh god, I think I see death life
dates for that person, like no, no, no, no no, no,
just click. I don't know. I've I've done the same
thing when really I should just be like, it's history here,

(08:03):
it's right. I'm like, I actually should have known this
already and I didn't. So yeah, well, what are you
gonna do? Is? Are you liking the show? I am
liking it. It's really fun. It's just uh, British people
being British, um, and it's a good watch. It's like,
you know, it's interesting to see. There was like a
whole episode about the fog of like nineteen fifty four.
I'm getting to the date wrong probably which I didn't
know anything about, so I'm learning and Wikipedia page about

(08:28):
it because I don't want spars exactly. So yeah, it's
a good show. I recommend for sure. That was a
year long fog. It was for four weeks in I
think like December, and yeah, this just fog smog thing
came into London and it had something to do And
this shows how much I was not really paying attention
during the show, but had something to do with like
the coal production plans that were like in the city

(08:50):
that just weren't being regulated properly, and a bunch of
people died like from not only like long issues, but
also just like you couldn't see when you were crossing
the street, so spoiled. But someone does get hit by
a car are in the episode, Oh I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Yeah,
it was gnarly. I had no idea that that was
the thing. And it's kind of weird too because in
the episode everyone's like wearing masks and on like an
iron long and I was like, oh man, this it's

(09:11):
too soon. Yeah right the um yeah, that's that's actually
something that they say happens with daylight Savings time. Bringing
it back to my pet subject, but they when it
gets dark earlier, like all the pedestrians getting hit by
cars like shoots up, so visibility guys don't underestimate it

(09:32):
as a health hazard, and it is. It's the darkest
of Daylight Savings period has ever been, I think according
to my uh weird conspiracy trying to go in on this.
What do you think since daylight Savings came in, has
it felt more aggressive? Yes? I fucking hate it. And
it's like, at the end of the day, all I
want to do is go for a walk. And now
I'm like, well, it's dark outside, and is that safe?

(09:53):
I don't know. It's just it's like we're just taking
L after L. Could we at least keep the sunlight?
I really, I really hate it? Thank you? What is
something you think is overrated? Okay? The Bachelor? Hear me out?
Hear me out? Well, I like that show. I just
feel like there are so many better dating reality shows

(10:15):
that just get overshadowed, and I just don't think The
Bachelor is the best one. I'm sorry. Okay, that's married
at first sight, fiance love is blind love exactly? You
get it? Yes, I mean The Bachelor. I've just gotten
into The Bachelor because Superproducer and Anna Hoose Nat does

(10:35):
will you accept this Rose? With arda Marine? And I
went on but like I've never seen it, and they're like,
that's great, watch like one of these goat like when
they're doing season long recap episodes and I got to
see like, oh yeah, when you start watching it, there
is this fun to it because it's just such a mess.
But that I feel like The Bachelor isn't really like
a reality like dating or like reality romance show. It's

(10:57):
a game show that's just a mess and it's full
of drama. So, like you, like the real dynamics of relationships,
I don't think are as present like the shows you're
talking about, the married at first sights in the ninety days,
because people know how to game the Bachelor slash Bachelorette
or like they know what the sequence can be when
you go far in the show. Maybe, yeah, then maybe

(11:18):
I need to like reframe the way I look at
it and think a bit more as like a game show,
because I guess like I am just like so into
those other like dating shows, and then I feel like
the Bachelor, like it almost like cheapens it because I
mean they're all fucking fake and scripted. I get that,
But in the bathroom, like they're not really there for love.
They just want to be insto famous, right, and then
you're just like, Okay, who's going to be the best
at tricking each other? Like that's when I started getting

(11:39):
the fun out of that. But yeah, married at first
sight is fun. I love ninety day Fiance, but I'm
also recapp being married at first sight on like on
days when there isn't ninety day to talk about and
there is something to watching people who don't know anything
about each other be like all right, y'all are married,
and that has like more satisfying like reality elements of
like navigating a relationship. What is the premise there? Why

(12:03):
why are they being married before the show so they're
ready for love? Is there like a matchmaking process that
plays into it? Dr Pepper Swartz Love, Dr Pepper Swortz. Um. Yeah,
they just basically take these people. They all have the

(12:24):
same short like, you know, it's all some version of
you know, I just I can't I can't figure it out,
So I just I guess I'll just leave it up
to these experts and try this experiment out. And some
what's fun about that show is sometimes like they really
nail it and you're like, oh my god, this is
a fucking couple and they so just saw it for
what it was and match these people up. Other times

(12:44):
you think it's gonna work and you're like this, these
people were probably both lying when they were like talking
to the matchmakers. And yeah, because then they come into
it and reveal all these other things, You're like, oh fuck, no, no,
that is there, Like so there's a scientific process. This
is it like the what's that dating app that swears
that like they have harmony or whatever. That's contentious. There's

(13:07):
two I remember I talk there's it's two. It's a
guy from u c l A who's a sociologist and
his colleague at u c l A talk shit about him,
who's like, I don't think that works, and he's like
and I totally used to. Yeah. Like it's a little
contentious in the u c l A department because one
of the like they're like, you shouldn't have done that,
Like you shouldn't tell people you figured it out because
we know, as people who study this, it's not like

(13:28):
cut and dry science like that. But is he involved
in merrit at first sight or no? No, No, they're
just there's a guy named Dr Pepper who's like you
a lady Schwartzka and cal. And then like this other
sex therapist who's new because one of the last ones,
like you know, like ran away with a former contestant.

(13:49):
She did. Yeah, one of the therapists. Yeah, like there's
that new like season nine, they they switched up because
the previous one who was like the counselor therapist like
she was she was like like counseling a couple from
the show that was together, and she's like being like, yeah,
it seems like this isn't working out, like oh, like
there's a lot of mistreatment, miscommunication issues. And then she
ended up with the dude, but they were they were

(14:13):
a fucked couple anyway, Like it wasn't like she wasn't
doing anything. Like they're legitimately a good couple now and
they're still together. Um yeah, I mean that would be
tough if you were like a relationship expert and like that.
That could be a really good rom com where they're
putting the people through the paces of like whatever their
method is, and then they realized that that person is

(14:34):
actually the perfect match for them. Oh my god, I mean,
isn't that that has to be isn't that a who
That's got to be a movie? Right? Did that ever
happen in like Hitch or like a movie like that,
Like there's because there are a match I feel like
that's a good match making plots. How Will Smith ends
up with Kevin James at the end of Yes, Yes, Yes, Yeah?

(14:55):
What is something you think is underrated? Veronica, I gotta
go with sense of taste. I didn't out realize able
to taste your food. I'm not over it. I'm like, yeah,
it's really nice. You guys enjoyed that meal you're having today?
And do they have is there like an et a
of when it arrives back in your Mouth's a lot

(15:16):
of people, like I've heard anecdotally and on online that
it's like, you know, some people say like a week
or two. So I have in my calendar for the
two week mark to start freaking out, But for now,
I'm just gonna, you know, trying not to get too
spooked because then I've heard some cases where they haven't
had it for months and I'm like, that will not
be good. Um yeah, but yeah, I'll hold out for

(15:37):
a couple more weeks. But yeah, it's it's just real weird.
And also not having a sense of smell like I, um,
I guess they you know, they go hand in hand.
But even this morning, my girlfriend was like, hey, no offense,
but have you put on deodor in today? And I
was like no, Like what She's like, well, like can you?
I was like, oh, yeah, sure, I'm sorry. I guess
I still but yeah, I mean I already that that

(15:59):
probab already exists for some of us where I think
our own stenches completely smell, blind, wonderful. Yeah, I'm like, well,
and then I'm like they're I'm just like, damn this,
what's good? Yeah. Her majesty is like, yo, what are
you doing? Full like my shoulders stinks because you were
spooning me with no shirt on, and I was like,
oh for real, Like I was like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, bad,

(16:20):
my bad, but um the oh. So I know, obviously
it's very disorienting to have one of your senses just
sort of completely duld slash taking away. I have to ask,
has it heightened any of your other senses? Not that
I've noticed, but I might just because I have general
like brain fog right now. So I'm like, here is it? Um, yeah,

(16:42):
it has Thank you again, don't come on, okay, I
just want to I don't be able to think like god,
damn like even when she had COVID. Know, I'm truly fine.
It's just yeah, I think I'm on that on the
downhill as well. I think that I have like five
more days all right, we'll check back in. Yeah, and

(17:05):
we are recording this in the same room. So ye,
A bouquet of dried herbs into your face. Yeah, well,
let's talk real quickly about the things that Donald Trump
is trying to get done before he leaves office. Uh.
You you already mentioned one of the dangers deregulation can pose,

(17:29):
and that is that a deadly fog will settle over
the biggest city in the world for four weeks and
just start suffocating people. But it's one of those things
where he's like just killing all these things that we
take for granted, like, for instance, a regulation around how
fast chicken factories process chickens, like as they're going across

(17:55):
a conveyor belt. They're like, no, we can like that
speed past the limit that we've held the chicken industry
to for years. And people have pointed out that when
they did a study on how this would affect things,
all of a sudden, like all the dirty tainted chicken

(18:17):
they used to be cleared out of the supply line
like was no longer getting cleared out. They were like, huh,
there's thirty percent less uh, like problematic chicken getting cleared
to the side. And I'm guessing it's not because the
chickens suddenly like no longer had salmonilla all over it um. Yeah,

(18:39):
that's one of the things to just keep in mind
is that Donald Trump is trying to poison you another
proposal being pushed through. Uh, And we should stop calling
it deregulation because that just sounds I don't know that
they've made it so that that's no longer like as
evil as it sounds. We should just call it something.

(19:00):
It's called making it unsafe as fun for people. Just poisoning,
just active poisoning for profit um only benefits the business owner. Yeah, well,
wouldn't you think that like the cost of eventually having
to I'm assuming recall all of that and pay out
all those lawsuits from everyone that's going to die from
this cost them more or do they just not give

(19:20):
a ship? No, they don't. They actually do those calculations. Yeah. Like,
there's there's a book I think it's called The Corporation
that like is about how corporations, you know, because in America,
corporations can be seen as like legal legally they are people.
And so it's like, so if these corporations were people,

(19:43):
how like what kind of people would they be? And
over and over again it's that they are uh, somewhere
between sociopaths, and psychopaths, because they will do the calculation
of like, Okay, this is going to kill people, like
if we don't put this safety feature into car, or
if we uh, you know, don't flag the fact that

(20:04):
the safety feature has stopped working, So it's gonna kill
three people. But on average, their class action lawsuits are
going to cost us x amount of money and therefore
we're gonna it's still profitable. Yeah, still profitable overall, and
that's what they care about. Um, but to another planet,
I know, Yeah, we're another country that doesn't have just uncontrolled,

(20:26):
unregulated capitalism. Another proposal being pushed through is bringing back
firing squads for federal executions. Uh, they're just like executing
people on the way out, Like they're pushing through all
these federal executions, uh that we're backlogged to try and
make sure they kill as many people as they can

(20:46):
before they leave office. But yeah, you know, capital punishment
already in humane torturis should be banned, but they're like, now,
let's move it in the opposite direction and take it
as regressive as we possibly can. Yeah. Oh, I'm surprised
that they're not doing like hangings and ship What the fuck? Right, yeah,

(21:09):
because it seems so it's just so clear, right, like
he's it's clear that the president has accepted that if
the ship is over right, so now it's like, let me,
let me just burn the fucking thing down as much
as possible in the way, because that's all it is.
It's all intentional to be like just so then Biden
has to step into a burning building and then Trump
can be like, oh my god, did you see what
he did? He set the house on fire. Can you

(21:30):
believe it? Look at all the chicken and bubba. But
it's like, oh my god, this is It's like it's
like a fucking script we see constantly. Yeah, I mean,
and this is all domestic stuff. Well, there's all sorts
of rumors of what's going to happen, uh internationally, happening
right now that we're recording this in the past. So

(21:51):
we don't know if uh there has been an invasion
or an attack on Iran, but that's something that's being
rumored internationally. But back state side, Uh, the e p
A is on the cusp of cementing rules to lock
in soot levels for at least five years, despite the
objections of UM something called scientific experts. I'm sorry, what

(22:15):
can they don't understand? I don't know. It sounds like
some hogwashed me. But yeah, they're just gonna try and
make it as difficult as possible to regulate the environment
at a time when that is the worst thing that
you could possibly do for the human race. I mean,

(22:36):
people have talked that there was the therapist who diagnosed
him as being a sociopath, and you know, one of
the things she pointed to was that he really seems
to revel in seeing, like inflicting suffering on people, Like
that seems to actually be something that drives him. It's

(22:57):
not this isn't things that are happening by accident. These
are things that are happening because he likes to see
people suffer. Is that bandy Lee, I'm saying that, yeah exactly.
I think he probably also gets off on no wing
that like this is what will be in the history books,
you know, like he's like, I'll be remembered for all
of this. He likes. He's fucking crazy. Yeah, in that

(23:20):
way where it's like he yeah, no matter what infamy
or you know, love or whatever, it's like it doesn't
even register the difference. It's like no, my name is
coming out of people's mouths. I win. Publicity is good publicity,
even if it's going down in history as a monster.
But then he's so thin skinned, you know this, it's

(23:43):
such a contradictory, fucked up you know, person, we're at
the fun We're just waiting, we like, don't funk this
up for the whole earth, because we've somehow allowed like
one person to you know, if they want to completely
funk up the whole earth, Like if you wanted to
be like fuck it, you know, just just have it

(24:03):
rain nukes. I don't give a fuck. Yeah, I don't
want to go to jail, Like nobody's gonna go, like
who knows. You know. It's just really alarming. In case
there was any doubt that these policies are sprouting directly
from Trump's brand, The Department of Energy is racing to
loosen the efficiency standards for showers and washing machines, which

(24:25):
is like a thing he specifically was saying. That's like
one of his bits from rallies about do you ever
get under a shower and no water comes out? And me,
I want that hair to be so beautiful. That's a
direct quote from his rallies water comes out. I don't

(24:45):
think that's a a Department of Energy efficiency standard. If
you turn on your shower and no water comes out,
I think my man just doesn't know how to use
a shower. I mean image or that's a that's a lamp.
Are we gonna hear something about windows? Because I was

(25:05):
another thing he was loving to talk about in the
during the campaign was about how tiny the windows are
going to be if if socialism takes over and there
he's tiny windows, Like are there now? Is there a
new gigantic standard for windows? He hasn't been able to
force that one through. Uh damn. He will make it
so that our washing machines and our showers lead to

(25:29):
higher consumption and waste. So shout out to the Trump administration.
I wonder how that's gonna work, right, because, like I
get you can do that, but like when you're a
business has been so used to making a product one way,
are they gonna be like, oh, thank god, we can
start making these like less efficient machines, just specifically in
this washing machine shower instance, Like are they really are

(25:53):
they dying for this thing to be changed because the
problem that that begins to be like oh great, we
can now use this cheaper stuff or whatever. I don't know.
I'm just curious off, you know, because I think people
are going to be clamoring that there show. I don't
know what the consumer side of it is. I guess
the only thing is that they're probably saying it's cheaper
for us to make them super wasteful and then we

(26:15):
can make money in charge the same amount. And Trump
just needs to tweet, you know, little water pressure will
make your gay and the damn liberal and then everyone
will be like yeah, yeah. Everyone goes out to like
their main like uh, like a waterline to the city,
and they're like just taking the regulator off, like no,
I need this ship coming out like fucking who knows what? Yeah, um,

(26:36):
all right, let's take a quick break and we'll be
right back. And we're back. Uh. And ever since they
introduced fleets a week and a half ago, I've been

(26:57):
actively avoiding paying attention to them. What what how they're
being implemented. But uh, Miles, you're saying that they're fucked
misinformation spreas. I mean like, yeah, you know, Twitter is
already a cess pit when it comes to this kind
of nonsense. Um, and if you like, you know, interested

(27:22):
cybersecurity people, journalists were tinkering around and they were saying
like they were able to do ship like you know,
putting banned U r L s or videos and things
that are normally, if you put on them on Maine
or on the timeline on regular Twitter, that ship would
get fucking just be like flagged, gone whatever, um and so.
But on fleets they're like, I was able to do

(27:44):
this ship undisturbed. The ship was up for twenty four hours.
It's gone, And that's great if that's what your aim is.
And they're sort of pointing to the fact that if
your whole thing is about misinformation, these fleets are like
really really really hard to deal with because normally, you know,
a lot of the people who are doing debunking on Twitter,
like it's easy to go through someone's tweets, their text

(28:06):
they're right there, I can, well, I can fucking you know,
screen grab whatever and debunk it from there. This ship
it's gone after twenty four hours, so I don't like
they don't know, people don't know where the conversation is
at on accounts that are spreading misinformation. And the other
thing is that allows like followers of the account to
just iterate on top of it and amplify it like
they would a retweet. Not that that's a feature of it,

(28:27):
but that behavior is more seen on Twitter than it
is on Instagram. So they're saying, like, bringing this kind
of thing to the Twitter Twitter sphere is just causing
It's they see the potential because right now I think
people are just kind of like tinkering around with it,
but just in the same way that we saw how
like closed Facebook groups and like i G stories were
getting people all kinds of hyped up in the Pacific

(28:50):
Northwest during the uprisings, if you remember, because they were
like Antiopa is coming to burn our fucking village down,
and people were like, you know, pulling up with a
R S and ship because of this you know bullshit
they heard on Facebook doing like checks checkpoints with where
they were checking arm uh cars for for Antifa with

(29:11):
guns like pointed at people. Yeah. And so they're saying,
now with this, you're looking at the same issue coming
out um but in a different environment where people are
even more into spreading misinformation as well. And there was
another uh someone this guy who wrote this book called
Like War, which is just about how social media has

(29:32):
been weaponized in politics, like very specifically is what this
guy's book is about. He was saying that they were
they had been testing this in March in Brazil, like
on Brazilian Twitter at first, and he was now just
pointing out about Twitter quote so much of their system
and actuality relies not on their own AI and content moderators,
but on fellow users and researchers to flag violators. With fleets,

(29:54):
researchers won't be able to see and track as much.
So they're saying, like the fleets could be a new
you know, playground for all this stuff. Why, like, what
is the idea behind this because there al already having
to more closely regulate like the ship that people are
posting on their platform. Why would they think that it's

(30:17):
a good idea to create a lane where there's less accountability. Well,
because they're not looking at it like that, you know,
they're looking at it as like this is a feature
we need to introduce to get more engagement. You know,
it's not. It's always after the fact because now you
know there it's you're now just creating it, Like you're saying,
another lane for people to put extremist content up at

(30:40):
a rate that's worse than on Twitter, when at least
that's out in the open. You can search on Twitter
certain ship and it will bring you the tweets. Fleets
is completely just like you got to know where to
go now r And that's and I think that's the
biggest concern in terms of misinformation. Do you guys have fleets?
Do you have access to fleets? Everyone? Does? I do?

(31:02):
That's interesting. I you know, I hadn't even like thought
about this implication of it. I was just like, oh,
is this like another place where like gets with photos
of our tips, like what's going on? And then that
was I feel like also around when Instagram did that update,
which makes it like total trash now, so I just
was like, oh, they're trying to compete with Instagram, but
this is horrifying and makes me not want to use it. Yeah,
it's and I think, who it's a different audience again

(31:25):
to like Instagram. You know, you can post something personal
and like people aren't Suddenly people are jumping and be
like what the funk is that? Twitter is different? Like
if people come across your fleets or something, It's not
the same audience. As your Instagram or people who don't
know your account, all kinds of interactions can occur there.
But yeah, like if I don't see anyone using it

(31:48):
that interestingly, because it's just I think the conversation started
off as like, okay, Twitter, nice, try like you're not
Instagram or fucking snapchat anymore. But that's why now I
think cybersecurity people like, I know, the first take on
this was like ha ha ha, but they're like, we
also really need to keep an eye on this because
it's like, you know, if you've ever played the Supernintendo

(32:10):
game F Zero, they're like little strips that will launch
your car even faster. That's like what this does for
misinformation because it's just like accelerating it. There's no accountability,
there's no guardrails. So is there even a way to
flag a fleet. I'm sure there is, yeah, probably, yeah, yeah,
But I think in terms of yeah, it's just it's

(32:31):
it's a completely different process, and you know, it's the
normal journalists and other misinformation sort of debunker people who
are kind of out there getting ahead of stuff. For like, dude,
I don't know how to find people's fleets, like, especially
if there's these closed groups or people know, like it
has some weird esoteric handle, but they just checked the fleets,
like what that what's going on there? So yeah, it's evolving. Well,

(32:56):
whenever they roll that out to everybody, that's going to
be really dangerous, very worried. Yeah, you wouldn't even notice
it because it's so even if you opened your app now,
like I forget use Twitter. I don't even I didn't
even notice really, like you don't have those circles at
the top branches like think I do. Yeah, the check

(33:22):
out her to stop this deal. Oh boy, have you
guys used it in a way that like you found
useful or have you used it at all? I can
I barely use stories usefully. Yeah, I've put up like
just like when I've tweeted something, I've then put it

(33:43):
to my fleet and really all it's gotten me is
just creepy guys being like can I buy a photo
of your feet? And I'm like, you can, yes, but
I didn't notice this. You know your way in you can,
but stay with your chest put it on Twitter and
not Yeah, coward. I am curious how long it will
last outside of like disinformation spreading, because it seems like

(34:05):
most people, at least in my circle, are kind of like, Okay,
that's that's cool for a day. Yeah, And those are
the tools that other people like end up like really loving,
you know, just like the Facebook, like people younger people
like all right, I'm I'm kind of sick of seeing
like what my old classmates are up to, and then
other people like, no, but it's the best place to
like just talk unchained shit about anything, the best place

(34:29):
to find out about the steel. Yeah. I was just
reading a thing about the CIA, like how the CIA
helped the Jakarta like take over of where in Indonesia
that were just like killing anybody who had non like
super right wing beliefs. And one of the things they

(34:51):
did was just make it possible for the military like
dictatorship to communicate with each other like across big swaths
of Like that's such an important thing to like have
immediate communication, and like that's basically how they aided in
the overthrow. So like the fact that now everyone has
that and it's completely uh, you know, disposable and goes

(35:15):
away after a second, like I don't know, Yeah, it
just underlines again what democrats need to do if they're
willing to actually, you know, do something that's so good
for the country is to start kicking these social media
platforms in the fucking teeth and being like, yo, you
need to clean this ship the funk up, Like it's

(35:35):
not if we really need to get ahold of someone
real quickly, Like we have ways to do that, and
like Twitter is useful to a point, but they need
to figure out what that point is and then really,
you know, to handle this this this ship. Um well,
speaking of Democrats, what where where are are they? Like?
What are they doing? Other? I mean, I know Biden
is like announcing a bunch of like dream team of

(35:59):
the of Obama officials for his cabinet, But what what
And I say that not seriously, I don't think it's
a dream team, But um what what is the rest
of the Democratic Party up as the president like continues
to have I mean, let's just walk over to the
ray Burn Building on Capitol Hill and knock on just

(36:20):
the Democratic leadership boards and let's see how then what
do we here? Huh Oh that's not good. Oh god,
there shook there shook ones over there on the Democratic
side of the hill. I don't know what to say
about this. Y'all um. I had to just talk about
this because there's I can't handle this ship. I was
reading this article in The New Republic just talking about

(36:42):
like the Dems are already like caving like in ways
that we're not really seeing up front. But they pointed
out that U mon Uraju on CNN, I said, like
talking about like where have they where have they been
during all of this soft coup, like white collar coup
ship that's been going on, Like have just been like
just sitting on their hands, And I could not really

(37:04):
be like firing up opposition outrage as you know, leaders
of the party. This is what Roger said, quote. Democrats
are trying to avoid turning Trump's refusal to accept the
election results into a partisan fight, believing Trump will be
in an untenable position if more Republicans joined their calls
to let the transition officially begin, as the president's legal
case continues to collapse and states begin certifying the election results. Moreover,

(37:28):
seeking to enforce subpoenas to administration officials who play a
key role in the transition process could take weeks to
play out if the White House fights them, potentially going
beyond January when Biden will be sworn into office. So
their whole plan was this is like whoa, let's not
like put up too much of a fight. So then
they don't put up too much of a fight, but
we'll let them continue to break everything apart and smash

(37:50):
it to bits because we don't want to make this
look like a partisan fight. It there couldn't be more
partisan than this. Uh So I'm again, I'm like, wow,
they've they're underlining the fact that they don't want any
kind of smoke ever. They just they have We have
one party in this country that is so into their

(38:11):
agenda that they will literally kill Americans to get it done,
and another party that is so obsessed with appearing nice
that they actually do fuck all. And you're like, what, how,
what is is this leadership? What is this? What are you?
Are you and are you in opposition or you're just
being like no, like it'll just be so bad. He'll

(38:32):
have to do the right thing, and we shouldn't be
communicating to people outwardly as well that this is something
fucked up and there he's doing active damage to you know,
this entire system. Yet we need Pelosi fure like this
is so infuriating. Yeah. Yeah, they're just like addicted to

(38:52):
triangulation and being like, okay, well so they're doing that,
so we're gonna like be over here like slightly to
left them, and they're gonna mess each other up. They
completely allow the Republicans to dictate the agenda and dictate
like everything. How could it possibly be a bad thing too,

(39:13):
like call attention and to politicize something where they're just
the Republicans are just standing by letting Trump try to
overthrow democracy in the country like that's an unwinnable argument.
And and well, because they're saying I think the logic
is that if they start coming out being like you
need to do this, then that gives him Twitter at

(39:34):
Ammo to start being like you see what they're doing,
You see what's going on. But it's like he's gonna
do that too. He'll find someone to blame no matter what.
So why not be like, yeah, fuck it, I'll take
that fight, and we can have it out right here,
and I'll keep clapping back rather than being like, I
don't know, let the courts do it. And and and
they can get like the brunt of the attention and

(39:56):
it's just you don't want the energy of someone who's
supposed to be on your side in the fight for
your life. To have big energy, you need that. You
need people be like they're like doing fucking pull ups
on street lights and ship be like what they said,
what get them over here? Like that's what the funk
you need, because they are they are hell bent on

(40:16):
doing as much destruction as possible. I think it's fair
to like fight fire with fire when the stakes are
this high, you know, and it's like, they don't ever
do that, and you're like, right, I mean you fire
with fire safety lessons. Yeah, Democrats are gonna turn the
other cheek to the point that their neck is going
to snap off and their head is going to fall off,

(40:38):
because they're like, just I'll just no, doesn't We'll take that,
and we'll take that, and we'll take that because at
least we're not the people doing that. We're just the
people not standing up for the people who are actually
the victims of this nonsense because they are not. And
I think it's easier for them to take this strategy
when none of the negative ramifications directly affect them, And

(40:59):
it's it's just fucking weird to see like over the
last four years. Truly at this point, this has pointed
out in this New Republic article, activists on Twitter have
basically been outsmarting the Republicans more than these decrepit monkey
skeletons that we have in Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi. Like,
how are these you know, uh, Twitter accounts who are

(41:20):
even being like, well, fuck it. If they don't do it,
why don't we go after people who fund or give
money to or outfit their events and put pressure on
them to disengage from them. And they do, and that's
caused the party problems as well. So it's weird to
see more of this, like the people like people who
are actually out here are doing a better job, you know,
taking on the Republicans and the Democrats are and we

(41:40):
saw that through all these you know, hearings and non
impeachments or i don't know, kid glove nonsense throughout the
last four years. But and then they act like the
reason that they didn't have more success in the election
was because people wouldn't listen to them and be a moderate.
And it's so yeah, frustrating. I mean, it's it's there

(42:02):
even if you just look, even though it's not the
same party. Donald Trump had the doing pull ups on
the street light energy, you know, for better or worse,
and people saw that They're like, thank god, I just
need somebody to come in and start fucking swinging. I
don't care what if I get hit either way. I
just want to see this ship. This this you're seeing that,
Like as we see these new generation of politicians enter

(42:26):
politics as well, it's the same energy. These are street fighters.
These are people who are fucking have been, you know,
doing Hoddukans on the street against the in an activist capacity,
and they understand, like that's what it takes to like
get people to move them out of the apathy column,
and then too, the engagement column. Is that you see like,
oh they're active, I'll be active too. If they're passive

(42:48):
and like, who don't know, we'll probably they're just gonna
make a mess of it themselves. Then that's the that's
that's what you're that's the energy you're giving your base too.
I mean, like, well, the you know, like what, let
them tear each other apart and we'll just be yeah, alright,
let's take a quick break and we'll be right back,

(43:15):
and we're back and uh yeah, So I started thinking
about like contemporary Christian art because of the Sopranos. I
was watching the Sopranos part where Janits is like in
the contemporary Christian music scene, and it was just like

(43:35):
it's so uh, it's just interesting. Like I started thinking
about like how just consistently bad Christian art has been
for like a century. I don't know, it's been a
long time. And it's like it's an easy, like butt
of a joke online to like show the pictures or

(43:57):
the drawings of like jesus Us like carrying people out
of the Twin Towers on nine eleven or whatever, like
sticking his arm in front of a junkie so that
like he's taking their heroin for the junkie. But like
I actually think it's it's at the core of like

(44:19):
one of our biggest national problems, like the whole culture war.
Like I feel like the Protestant like sort of right
wing the fact that they like don't have culture or
like art that we can respect causes like a resentment
because we're dismissive of their art, and then they resent

(44:42):
uh our art, I think, and resent us, and like
think that there's like a war on their culture. Yeah. Second,
I think you're acting like we have check out our
daily zeitgeist Christian contemporary art works evangelicals, because we have
sweat no, just like sec their art in general. Like
there I hadn't really done a ton of research into.

(45:05):
Like I grew up around some people like when I
lived in Kentucky who were like part of this uh
more like Baptist Protestant Southern Baptist ethic where you wouldn't
you couldn't listen to secular music. You would just listen
to like uh, there's apparently a chart that they had
in like Christian record stores that was like if you

(45:27):
like Dr Dre, then you'll love d C Talk, Yeah,
like a way to transition people off of that secular music. Yeah.
And but like there's also you know, uh, what's the
what's that Paul Sheer movie thing? How did this get made?

(45:49):
Like sometimes covers like these Christian movies and like like
they're they're somewhat successful when they come out, like on
a budget of like a small budget, they'll make ten
million dollars or something, but they're always just ridiculous and
like fully reviled. And like so I I started searching this,
like what how does like what is the most dominant

(46:14):
like probably the most dominant culture in America And you know,
like Christians are they're not the majority, but they're probably
the plurality of like the vague white Christianity for sure.
Jesus and White. Okay, Yeah, there's so so many of

(46:35):
them in America and like as a rule, every piece
of art that they make is bad. Um, And so like, yeah,
I was doing research and this is something that they're
writing about, Like I think they're aware of it, like
in these Christian blogs like that. That's what comes up
when you search like why is Christian contemporary art so

(46:59):
consistently bad? And they're like yeah, you know, the their
diagnosis is interesting because they, I think get some of
it right. They talk about like how, um, they got
locked into sort of a weird Al Yankovic occation of
art where they would like take secular art and just

(47:20):
do like the religious version of that. Like it's because
they've like failed on like the educational front, like just
to encourage really like deep critical thinking, and everything just
goes back to like this very simplistic, normative judgment. Like
one of the people was saying that they focus on
having the answer as opposed to like the mystery of life,

(47:42):
which like the mystery and the questions or what drives
art as opposed to like just being like, oh no,
it's a simple yes no answer. But yeah, I don't know.
I mean, you're an artist, Veronica, what do you think?
What is it about it? I had? I did just
google Christian art and yeah it's not good it all.
It's also like it it's so it's like it's all

(48:04):
evolving off of the same tree and no one's branching out,
you know, no one's taking a bit of cubism or
being like introducing like a bau House aesthetic into their
you know what I mean, Like because if that's art,
you're there to express yourself. But like it seems like
they already limit sort of visually what is possible if
you're doing Christian art. Yeah, it seems like they're just

(48:24):
not encouraged like think outside the box or try new things,
which I feel like to be good at art. You know. Boom,
that's what it is, right, Like the lack of challenging
your your norms or your beliefs in the process of
making your own art. I mean, that's The other thing, too,
is how dedicated you are as an artist to your work,
because there are plenty of There are plenty of works

(48:44):
by non religious artists that are Christian themed that are
really good. Like Hendy Wiley is an amazing painter who
regularly has themes of Christianity like intertwined in his works,
like whether that's like sort of stained glass pieces or
like doing one for one versions of like older paintings
that were depictions of Christ and just swapping them out

(49:06):
with like African American people that like they still have power,
Like there's a I don't know, like it's just so
funny that they but people who aren't you know, specifically
Christian artists are still able to evoke things about religion
through their art. So why doesn't it len somebody rip off, HINDI,
where are these? You know, like like people plenty people

(49:27):
rip other artists off, just start ripping off fucking good art.
Like that's growing up as like a movie fan. The
best like times I saw a movie address faith was
like Contact. I love Contact, but like that's that's a
movie by a scientist about like religious face that it's
not like the you know, Christian churches like doctrine. So like,

(49:49):
I'm sure it would be like kicked out of the
conversation if like you brought it to uh you know,
into this Protestant aesthetic. And then like, I you can
count on me that movie like has a priest that
is like just allows for the mystery of like faith
and like religion and isn't just like yeah, this is

(50:12):
the answer. And that was like mind blowing because I
you just never see religion in that context in American art.
But I think that dude who made that as like
a latched Catholic and like that you just the thing
that they were saying in this podcast I listened to
where it was like all these Protestant like dudes who

(50:33):
were like they were saying all the things you're saying
that like they have set their sights too low low standards. Uh,
they're just like all responding to whatever is put before
them and not you know, uh, they're they're focused on
the message rather than like the aesthetic. But then when
they try to explain or like come up with a solution,
it becomes like we are the bearers of God's image

(50:56):
and Genesis says creation is good, and it's just like
they get short circuited by this like normative judgmental thing.
And I think like thinking going into a piece of
a work of art thinking that you're going to like
pass judgment on something is like not, I don't know.
It feels very like reductive and like the opposite of creativity.

(51:21):
I mean, isn't like the best art pieces you look at,
they they are sort of they have this ability to
be nebulous and abstract, even if the form on the
canvas or the image is very specific, that the composition
and whatever the colors just bring something out of you
that you just are like, huh, you know, like that's
the first step. It's just to be like this is interesting.

(51:44):
But if it's just a literal Yeah, if there's just
a literal and like representation of this thing of like
Jesus holding a baby whatever you like, Okay, yeah, what sure?
And there's no like there's no ability to begin questioning
anything as you look at it, whether not that you
have to question the exist sense of Christ or whether
they're the Father, the Son of God or whatever. But
he could even be for yourself of your own there's

(52:07):
just something about it that doesn't allow even for that,
Like there's no introspection. I don't know. I feel like
good art gets your mind going and sort of challenge you,
challenges you on some level. And that's my personal take
on like what the art the kind of art I
respond to specifically, it's different for other people. But I
think that's the thing that's also missing, because the nature
of working within a religious framework is to not question

(52:27):
anything at all, like it's all the answers are given.
So then we're kind of like, how can you How
could a Christian artist wrestle with their relationship with Christ
in a painting, you know, because then that that would
encourage other Christian people to think of, like, am I
also wrestling with my relationship whether that's good or bad?

(52:48):
But like it's can't introduce anything like that. It has
to be like, dude, I don't know if you saw
that dude, Christ was walking with that guy on the
beach full and was carrying him. Okay, that that is
the definitive piece of Christian art of the past, like
the beach but steps, yeah, come on better. One thing

(53:10):
like tying it back to the current cultural moment, uh,
was there's this BBC article about this question and they
were talking about that moment. Do you remember when there
was like Piss Christ that was just a photograph of
like a cup of pists with like a crucifix in it.
But then there was also a painting. Uh, these were

(53:30):
like big modern art pieces. There was a painting of
the Virgin Mary and that was painted with elephant shit
and the It was like late nineties, early two thousands.
And the person who was like the central like critic
critic of like the ability to show these works of
art was Rudy Giuliani. Like that's he was like because

(53:54):
they were in New York museums. He like took center stage,
was like this is on a acceptable get the funk
out of here. It was like one of the first
times when you started seeing like the cultural conversation around
him be like, wait, what the fund is this guy's deal?
Like um ok, yeah, but it's like he's passing judgment

(54:18):
on He's like this is it's just like that normative
like thinking you get to say what's good and bad
is like the it's like art is deathly allergic to that.
I feel like, yeah, yeah, well, we can't solve all
your problems for you, Christian art world. Um, I know,
but like I want them to solve our problem for

(54:39):
us and start creating art that is good, that like
the whole that will cross over so we can all
be like, yeah, no, that's good man, Like good for
you guys, and great now, like you don't have to
feel like you have a chip on your shoulder about
fucking the sopranos or if it's that. I mean, it's
so many things. But I think just already when you

(55:00):
get caught up in this thing of like I'm the
operating within a religious environment just because I went to school,
like in things like that, just people, some people are
just so already kind of cut off from having any
thoughts that would challenge you or you would have growth
or an evolution in general, I mean we are the

(55:20):
theory of evolution is already taboo to these people. So
the idea that like I'm just thinking of, like how
any person operates from when they're trying to create something
like artistically, you're it's your moments of inspiration typically are
born out of changes in your life or growth or
failure or things, and you're using that to be like,

(55:40):
oh wow, I have this energy to express in a
certain way. If you're kind of one note because you're like,
it's all good. Christ got my back, the devil is bad,
and let's do this year after year. Your art is
already having a discussion with something like that in your life.
I don't see much. I already don't. There's not much
change or you know, evolution, there's no there's nothing influx there.

(56:01):
It's very constant. Yeah, and you're also sort of operating
off the geto, like within a certain set of rules,
and like art has no rules, maybe you know, yeah, right,
you have to be willing to reject those rules to
make it. Like so I was thinking of like Catholic
example of like good art and like the whole study albums.
Separation Sunday is like about Catholicism, and it's like very

(56:25):
like thoroughly about religion, like or with Judaism a simple man?
Or is that a serious man? And like these are
about religion and they're like also brilliant works of art
that like, you know, you can you can be explicitly
about the religion the questions that arise from that religion

(56:48):
without like being I don't know, so just simple. I
want to see lit Christian art too, you know, I
want to be like you know I want to see
lit everything art. Yeah, just a color at us. And
I don't mean to be like dismissive, because I'm not
trying to be dismissive at all. I'm I'm not saying
you are. I'm I'm only really speaking for myself because
I sort of felt that I'm the way I'm talking

(57:10):
about it seems sort of across the board dismissive of
someone's beliefs or belief system. But yeah, I would. I
don't know. I don't know what the answer is because
I've grown up seeing the same five fucking posters of
framed works of art in right threan in Catholic schools,
and I'm just like, damn, sh it is so dry, bro, Like,
just get that hot air balloon fucking photo up that

(57:30):
says like perseverance, Like that ship is hitting harder than
this taking a long walk on the beach with this dude.
That painting of Jesus that is like, you know, blue eyed, uh,
light brown haired Jesus. That's I think I think I
read somewhere it's the most reproduced piece of art like
in the world, in the history of the world. Uh,

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And it's just like some dude like painted it in
the early twentieth century and it just like happened, not
any sort of great master's painting. It's just like, yeah,
that that'll do. I mean if I even think of
like their Basquiat uh like images of like Christ you

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know what I mean, are abstract and freaky, but they
do something to you because at least in that one
there's something it. It'll bring some kind of feeling of
like fear or something out of it too, because it's
not like Smiley, you know, a white guy with blue eyes,
like he feels a little more all encompassing of what
life is rather than just sort of myopically looking at
like this very nice, polished quaff hair guy with the

(58:34):
six pack. Yeah. I don't know, but I do. I
do demand that Jesus stays ripped because he always has
to be hot and look for us. You know. Yeah,
that might be steff one. Would that be too subversive
if a Christeners like I honestly think this is a
little bit better for with like love handles and a
little true because I'm I mean, I would love me,

(58:58):
I would I would why to documentary about the genesis
part of the Sorry for the crossover pun there, but
of ripped Jesus depictions like who who began that? And
like I'm sure was there controversy around that. Did anyone
trying to do like maybe a little scrown your Jesus,
Like bro the Savior would be fucking ripped funk out
of here and weak? Has anyone ever done to Jesus

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with like a really big dog, because like I feel
like there's just always a normal yeah statue of Jesus
with like a mass because like he's always like naked
like mostly, but like they make him ripped. But I
feel like this that might be the future of Christ
is just like a cross fit Jesus, just a weird,

(59:45):
floppy Dijesus. All right, And finally let's talk about let's
talking about Jared Invlanka uhca uh the new Jared Kushner,
Gerard kush Baby. Uh yeah, they're they're fucked on many

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different levels. Uh. They have no power in d C,
they have debt. Uh. Gerard's probably gonna they're gonna look
at some of the ship he did. Uh ways that
he kind of combined his job in the government with
his personal finances that probably won't look so good. Vodka's

(01:00:29):
consultation fees. She was getting that. They're like, what what
what is this? What's going on here? Who is this?
What is this for? Yeah, we got there. I think
they're headed to New Jersey because nobody do nobody's working
with them in New York anymore, like they're they're basically
she would have to wear a disguise uh to like
I think, not that she's completely unwelcome there, but her

(01:00:52):
social circle has evaporated in that sense. And like, like
you know, most people will rightfully treat this family like
the pariah's that they are. And so yes, because of that,
they're like, well fuck that, what are we gonna do?
We need to go to ourselves are safe space. So
they have plans on that Bedminster golf club or golf course. Uh,

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and they're expanding their cottage. And I will use air
quotes on cottage because I'll get to the square footage
in a second. Uh. They're expanding their cottage on Daddy's
golf course. And like almost it looks based on some
of these plans in this New York Times article, it
sounds like they don't really need to leave much if
they're there. So this is from The New York Times
report says, quote, the new plans before Bedminster Township call

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for an expanded master bedroom. This is in their existing
um home that's already there, a bathroom, dressing room, two
new bedrooms, a study, and a ground floor verandah, making
it more comparable to the five million dollar house they
rent for a fifteen thousand dollars a month in d C.
Then they say plans also call for adding five more

(01:01:56):
cottages of a five thousand square feet each to the property,
apartment and uh and a recreation complex with spa, treatments
and a general store. So you know they're not they
are creating the village for themselves to like escape from,

(01:02:18):
you know, having to be held accountable in public. Well,
the general store. Carr Avanka's like fashion line that she
used to have. Oh god, no, it's gonna have nice brands.
She even knows that. She's like, come, never do that.
She's like, I mean that is what happens. Like that
is usually the sign of somebody who is going to

(01:02:42):
go off. Like that's when Michael Jackson like created Neverlands, Uh,
Elvis created Graceland, like people who their own Yeah, Kanye
and Wyoming Disney and Disneyland, like that's when people really
go off the deep end. And I'll I will be
interested to see because the general store that really perks

(01:03:05):
my ears up? What does that mean? A supermarket? A
way to like like meg wham. She's like, can you
can you switch it out so it looks like the
Chanelle store because I can't go into Manhattan anymore? Please?
But they're not going to sell any of the bad
chicken that they're right, Oh, I guarantee they're not going to.
They'll have living chefs and like their own supply chain

(01:03:25):
just inside there, could you. Yeah, they become very efficient.
They're like it's actually a self sustaining property. We're doing
regenerative agriculture. It's really amazing. Um, I don't know what. Yeah,
but you know, those kids like they're they're you know,
they're school age, like they're getting into like ship talking
kid age where I can only imagine what do you

(01:03:47):
do then? Because they're going to have to homeschool because
you know, someone will be like, hey, what do you owe?
Is Gerard your dad? Oh? Kid right here? It'll be
you know, I don't even if I was a parent,
and I'm like wait, hold on, they're going to the
same school. Let me tell you about No, I don't
want to poison the well, they're just kidding. I think

(01:04:08):
it's I think it is every American's duty to let
their kids know about what this person's parents and grandparents did.
Um yeah, in a nice you know, don't don't don't
scare the kids, but just let your parents let them know.
It was a monster. Grandpa brought back firing squads just that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(01:04:29):
so you know, um, so you know you can treat
them however, but be kind, but you know, firing squads.
Just keep that in mind. You know, how long do
you do you do you think until Jared, I'm sorry,
Gerard and Ivanka have like you know, in their minds,
they're probably like, okay, like in two years, it's gonna

(01:04:50):
blow over, Like trust me, just like with all the
outrage of stuff Daddy was doing in office, like we
just gotta we'll just lay low and we'll come back in.
Do you think what do you think? Because I think
it is possible because we have a terrible memory here
for like actually remembering how fucked up people are and
how they behaved in the past. Do you think what
we will somehow be seeing her back to her old

(01:05:12):
like Manhattan's self within two years, three years? Do you
think people will allow her back? Thinking was at a
fucking comedy club, you know what I mean, and the
granted people booed and hissed him out of there, but
like I it just shows that there's a mixture of
like audacity on the on the part of the transgressors

(01:05:33):
and like just a sort of like lack of wanting
to confront them on the people who would like host
them out of place that allows for this slow creep
of people like I don't know, so long ago, like
they're not doing it anymore, and like I don't know,
they just don't need a bunch of money, you know,
I don't know, Like I feel like it's not I
don't Yeah, I just don't think. Um, I don't know.
In my mind, I'm like they won't see they won't

(01:05:55):
see social justice. But being ousted, Uh, come on, New York,
do us proud shun them? Right? Or to my surprise,
like they show up, you know and like fucking march
somewhere in Manhattan and people are just like throwing like
old dead heads of lettuce at them, And should I
bet she ends up on real houses of New York City,

(01:06:16):
like two seasons in the future. That would be no,
you know what, that feels very very real because I
mean they started as reality show characters. Why wouldn't they
their own it's their own, it's their own show. Yeah,

(01:06:37):
remember we saw it. Remember they were trying to make
it back in and it never aired and there was
like that clip of it and it's so fucking cringe
e where like they tried to make it seems like
a reality show. But Donald Trump can't even pretend to
act like a dad to don junr that it just
comes off as like him talking to a maintenance worker.
Oh gosh, that's right. Well, Veronica has been pleasure having you.

(01:07:01):
Thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for expending
the energy will you have Oh my god, this is
the best way to spend my COVID days. Thank you
for having men. I wish I could smell you, guys,
I don't want to, you do not Where can people
find you and follow you? Um? You can find me
on all platforms at Veronica k all day. Um. I

(01:07:24):
just made a TikTok and it's only videos of my hamster.
So I'm just that's a warning. Wow, how how did
your hamster dance lip sync? What are we looking at you?
She does it all, She does it all. Mostly she
just stuffs her cheeks with a lot of food and
then wattles her little stuffed body and then runs away
from me. Dan, that's all you need? Oh man? Ye

(01:07:46):
Is there a tweeter some of the work of social
media you've been enjoying? Yes? Um, this is from Camille Corbett.
She's very funny Twitter at the Witty Girl and I
liked this tweet a lot. It says I've probably spent
of the best years of my life watching my own
grand story. That just really I felt like a personal attack. Uh, Miles,

(01:08:08):
where can people find you? With the tweet you've been enjoying?
You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles
of Gray. Uh. And also the other podcast for Twenty
Day Fiance where we're talking about ninety fiance and season
nine of Mary to First Sight because that's on Netflix,
so if you've never seen it, we're only a couple episodes.
De pop in. We're just being like, this is not

(01:08:31):
gonna end well, and some people are so booed up
magically that you're like, I'm tired of them because they're
a functioning couple out the gate and I'm here for
drama and trash. Uh. Let's see a tweet that I
like for This is from Reductress at reductor tweets this
woman went home to her parents for Thanksgiving because she
was already living there. Shout out to everybody who's having

(01:08:55):
a Thanksgiving or how to Thanksgiving? Wait? This is this
is Monday. Let me actually find some that's more. Um. Okay.
This one is from Reductress and this tweet is how
did not hate the child actor that looks nothing like
the grown up actor they're supposed to resemble, Because I
feel like that's happening a lot. I think for Molly Games,

(01:09:16):
people are people have some people have some energy for
Molly's game. I think this looks like a photo of
juxtaposed of two redheaded people. Is there any flashback scenes?
Maybe it's que no Queen's Gambit? What am I saying? Game?
That is? That's the poker game, Poker the Queen's Gambit

(01:09:38):
man Uh tweet I enjoyed Nazi at Schnoozel tweeted dead
Sneeze so loud because it's the only way they know
how to express their emotions. Uh and Colin. Hello, Colin
tweeted a prank show that exclusively and relentlessly targets former
Trump administration. That is the reality show I need that.

(01:10:04):
I think you can put that money together in Hollywood
and just be like, look, this is the deal. I
will prank them until I die, but I need to
pay for some of these things, Like these are going
to be elaborate. The lawsuits, that is one that you
would have to well if they're like, well, that's what
you do is like you also work with a legal
team to like thread the needle of like what is
a prank that doesn't necessary Like they can come at

(01:10:25):
you for damage. Just look for us to do on Mike,
We're going to talk to our lawyers right now about this.
So that they can never trust their reality again. Like
it's almost like becomes a Truman show. Things they just
always feel like, ye, fair gaming, man, just take a
book out of Scientology page just come with you like
that for four years, so we could just gasolate them

(01:10:46):
for the rest of their lives. We'll get We'll get
Mike render and be like, yeah, man, just put me
onto all the tactics of scientology like harassment brokers. This
is this is, this is fucked up because I don't
think the leadership in this country is actually to hold
somebody to do account. Little lights. Yeah yeah, all right.
You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien.

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information that we talked about in today's episode, as well
as this song we right out on miles. What are
we riding into this fine post Thanksgiving week? You know

(01:11:29):
that's cybermun Let's just yeah, just keep low vibes, like
I know it's probably a you know, wild couple of
days over the weekend. Um, this is a track called
Meet the Frownies and it's about to buy this band
called Mr Twin Sister. I'm not I've just been getting
into their their music, and uh, this is the reason
I got into it is because this Kendrick Lamar sampled

(01:11:53):
it on the recipe that bonus track, So I was like, wait,
what's going on? Let me think you see what's going
on here. The track is actually really well, very laid back,
very easy to listen to. Um and yeah, I think
just good. Good Monday fives. So meet the Frowns alright,
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We'll be back this afternoon to tell you what's trending,
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