Shoplifting Wave Still B.S., Lunchables Replacing Lunch Ladies? 03.15.23

In episode 1441, Jack and guest co-host Alex Schmidt, are joined by writer and interdisciplinary artist, Denise "The Vamp Deville" Zubizarreta, to discuss… Shoplifting Panic Update: Still Bullsh*t, Lunchables To Be A Part of School Lunches? And more!

1. Artists Discuss How Psychedelics Influence Their Work
2. Shoplifting Panic Update: Still Bullsh*t
3. BS Shoplifting Theory (A Thread)
4. Lunchables To Be A Part of School Lunches?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two, seventy nine,
Episode three of Dirt Dailies. I I Stay, production of iHeartRadio.
This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
into America's shared consciousness. And it is Wednesday, March fifteenth,
twenty twenty three. My name's Jack O'Brien, ak god. I

(00:20):
want a carless Sunday. WHOA let's all just run day?
WHOA cars are dumb day? WHOA oh, don't drive your
truck that weighs a ton day. That is courtesy of
Christy Amagucci. May just referencing the the idea of carless Sundays,

(00:43):
which you know, at a certain point in the Netherlands
they decided to stop having cars run their lives. I
know there would be a ton of problems at first,
and you know, we would have to build up an
infrastructure for people to get around if we decided to
do that, But still I still think it's a nice

(01:05):
idea to aspire too. All Right, Well, I am thrilled
to be joined by a very special guest co host
one of the best best podcasters doing it anywhere, an
old friend from the crack day is a Jeopardy champion
the host of the podcast secretly incredibly fascinating. It's Alex Schmidt. Hey,

(01:28):
it's me Alex Schmidt. Heyka, John Jacob Jingle trend Er Schmidt.
There is thank you, thank you too, there us your
name is Lady Feet on the discord. I was telling Jack,
I just searched the name Schmidt in the Zeitgeist discord.
That may not be for me, but I grabbed it.
Thank you. It is for you now. And I took

(01:49):
your AKA because you wrote it into the dock. I
took your ak to be you are both John Jacob
Jingle Trender Schmidt and also known as Lady Feet on
the disc Yeah, I thought that I was like lady
feed Interesting. I like that for you, A truly wild
disclosure if that's where I was like that. By the way,

(02:09):
By the way, I really in defeat. Ladies could use
some picks. Thanks Alex. We are thrilled to be joined
by an interdisciplinary artist and writer who's writing you can
read it hyper allergic about stuff like Netflix for getting
to include Puerto Ricans and their reggaeton show and house
psychedelics influenced artists. Please welcome the brilliant and talented Denise

(02:33):
the vamp de Ville subis that best intro ever? It's
wonderful to have you. How are you doing. I'm doing
really well. I need that intro though, for like that
should be my morning alarm. Yeah, make it. We'll give
you the download. There you go. Um, where's everybody coming from,

(02:57):
alex I know you're on the East coast as our Yeah,
we have snow flurries in New York City. Hey watch
celebrating the IDEs of March with snow. There you go,
fun times, how about you, Denise. I'm in Denver, Colorado.
Our weather is actually getting nicer, funny enough, so we're
seeing some sun. It's a beautiful day out. Hey did

(03:19):
we trade weathers? Hey? What's going on here? Give it back? Yeah,
it's a rainy Manhattan day in Los Angeles here as
that that seems to be the new norm. It rains
a lot, which I'm not complaining. I ain't complaining, you
know what I'm saying, Denise. One of the things you
wrote about at hyper Allergic the psychedelic art scene. Psychedelics

(03:43):
I feel like a're having a moment right now, or
like increasingly a big part of culture. And I'm like
I was just curious to hear you talk about where
you think or do you think they're having a moment?
Have they just always been here? I think when I
was a kid, psychedelics were associated with my parents' generation

(04:06):
as like hippies, and they just like made it look
bad and uncool, and so like I wonder if like
that is just what happened, is we've had enough separation
from the baby boomers making it look really silly and
weird that we can now get back into the good
parts of psychedelics. Yeah. And I think also for my generation, right,

(04:30):
it's the Dare generation, right, so we caught a lot
of like just say no to drugs and really nothing else,
so no one will offer them to you for free, right,
So I think there was a disconnect there with psychedelics. Now,
I don't think that they're having a moment. I think
they've always been there. I think that the conversation has

(04:51):
just become a little bit more open, right, We're open
to having larger discussion about the impact of a psychologic
lead mentally and where we're kind of going to go
from there. And I think it's kind of amazing what's
going on in so many of the states now as
we're discussing especially like mushrooms, you know, and more natural,

(05:13):
holistic quote unquote ways to get high and to tap
into other parts of your consciousness. So I'm completely fascinated
like the whole process. Yeah, yeah, I don't mean to
imply I just found out about psychedelics like when Joe
Rogan started talking about them, but like, yeah, they they've
been around for a while. I do feel like they're

(05:33):
getting like somewhat more even like mainstream cultural purchase than
they they've had even in the recent, fairly recent past.
So your articles really fascinating. We'll link off to it
in the footnotes, but everyone should go check it out. Yeah,
with I'm curious with reporting something out like that, like
are people down to talk about it and share about
it or are they still kind of don't use my

(05:55):
name or don't share details about me. That was what
I was afraid. I was completely petrified that people were
going to be like, absolutely don't share who I am.
But I particularly went through the painstaking process of finding
artists that are already pretty open about that conversation and
that are really like have dived deep into the whole

(06:17):
conversation and what they're kind of going to do with
it in the future and with their work. So I
got really lucky, like with Alex and Alison Gray, you know,
who were amazing, Like they were just like, he here's
all of this information on psychedelics. I was like, dude,
I should do this. Sometimes sounds cool. Yeah, So I

(06:37):
was purposely looking for artists that were open. Yeah, and you,
yourself or an artist, can you to talk about a
little bit about like something you're working on right now
or something you recently completed. Yeah. So I'm mixed media interdisciplinary,
which is always weird to say. Sometimes they just say
like I'm a very highly hyphenated creative, like I'm everywhere

(07:02):
and all over the place. And that's part of my
neurodivergence as well, right Like I cannot sit there for
like more than a certain amount of time on one
kind of project, soart to jump all over and for
me right now, I've been focusing a lot of my
work on kind of reclaiming, reconnecting and healing the imagery
of the Daino people of the Caribbean with my work

(07:25):
and kind of retelling their stories. They're like Taro and
you know, framework that looks really baroque and lots of
gold and stuff. I'm like giving my gold back. So
that's been a lot of what I've been working on
right now, and I should be doing an exhibition soon
with Redline Contemporary Art Center. Still very hush hush, but

(07:46):
I guess it's not so much because I just said it. Yeah,
bleeping all this out, Yeah yeah, Yeah, We're gonna get
to know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
we're gonna tell our listeners a few of the things
we're talking about to day. I'm seeing the shoplifting panic
story bubble up again, so I just wanted to offer

(08:06):
an update to our listeners on that that it's still bullshit,
still bullshit. It's even more real than you thought. Yes,
we're gonna talk about lunchables, so big, big win. There's
the story from ABC seven dot com that reports the
fact that they're going to be serving lunchables as like

(08:30):
school lunches going forward starting next year, and it's reported
like the story is told as a like success story
for Kraft Hinds. It's like an underdog success story about
how they got in line with the nutritional requirements to
have this victory. So I want to just talk about that,

(08:51):
get your thoughts on lunchables in general, your experiences. This
was apparently one of the biggest BIS success stories of
my lifetime that I wasn't aware it was a business
success story. I was just eating the lunchables as a child.
But Oscar Meyer saved their bacon, so to speak, by

(09:12):
inventing lunchables, and it was like this massive success and
probably very bad for everyone. I do I like to
figure of speech because they probably withheld the good bacon
for other products, like lunchables had much worse meat than bacon. Yeah, yes,
saving their bacon and providing meat paste to the rest
of us. Yeah, even in the ingredients. I love how

(09:34):
it's like meat meat alternative. Yes, Okay, I don't need
to know what it is. Hey, it was the nineties.
Alternative was huge alternative music, so they we were we
were down for some meat alternative, some grunge meat. We're
a little flannel. Yeah, yeah, all of that plenty more.

(09:55):
But first denise the vamptaville sub sa. Do you have
something from your search history that is revealing about who
you are? It's so funny my search history is and
I know I can curse on here because I've heard it, right,
So I'm super excited because I'm still a Puerto Rican
girl from Jersey, right, like I have a dirty potty now.

(10:16):
And I'm a former sailor as well, so it's like wow,
years away, like sailing boats for real? Uh No, I
was in the United States Navy veteran. Yeah, so I
that's thank you for clarifying as some one ships, but
that's for real and thank you fantastic, Yeah, thank you
actual sailing. I have no idea like so, but my

(10:40):
search history is pretty much a clusterfuck of shit, Like
I'm constantly googling everything because I am just like dying
to be a useless bat of like information for some
strange reason. But the most recent thing I googled, I
think was probably partly frightening and then pertly like just

(11:01):
pure scientific curiosity, where I was like, can I do
this in my own home? Where scientists found out that
there was a they found a zombie virus that spent
like forty eight thousand years frozen in the perma frost. WHOA, Okay,
the virus doesn't make you a zombie, right, The virus

(11:21):
itself is a zombie because they brought it back to life,
good good thinking. First of all, Yeah, there's so much
at the perma frost, Like, you know, we haven't had
enough of crazy viruses in our sci fi plot decade,
so apparently we need to add some more. And that

(11:42):
was kind of insane. Yeah, people say they're not doing
enough about climate change and the melting of the polarized caps,
but they're bringing back zombie viruses. That's something, right, They're
yeah getting to work there. Yeah, it sounds like more life,
not less. Yeah, more life hords so basically good. And

(12:05):
are people worried about it? Are they? Is it going
to increase our scientific understanding of what it was like
to have a cold in the Paleolithic or like what
is the what's the end goal here? Like, to be fair,
the virus is very large, which is interesting. Rightly you
could see it under a regular microscope instead of needing

(12:26):
like all sorts of other technologies to kind of zoom
into it. But it's specific to like single cell organisms,
So they're not trying to bring back a virus that's
going to kill the entire human rings, right, and then
make a movie after it, right with the five people
that are left behind, probably Joe Rogan will be one
of them, yes, Joe Rogan, Chris Brett. I haven't settled

(12:46):
on the other three, but yeah, yeah, but it is.
It's to try to help us kind of learn a
little bit more about how kind of viruses develop where
we are in that process, you know, and dissecting all
of the things that they're kind of finding as these
perm as the permafrost starts to bounce. Yeah, and I'm fascinated,
but at the same time, like, I don't trust anyone

(13:08):
enough to be like science, you've got this. You haven't
fucked us yet. Let you take this one. It's funny
to me to think about viruses that are big, like
you can see, like there'd be a much easier to
avoid the common cold if it was just like a guy,
like a thing that was hanging out on the surface

(13:29):
of you know, everything that my six year old touches,
because animals were so much bigger in the ice age, right,
Like it's a wooly mammoth equivalent of a virus or
like a virus tiger instead of a housecat. Yeah, ivirus
eats you really cute personalities too, that's the thing. They're

(13:50):
like little woofies. They're they're so hard to resist that, Yeah,
what is something you think is overrated? I was it's
so interesting because I was looking at these that I
was like, Man, this is going to be difficult for
me because I actually have a list of things that
are annoying me. Let them know. It's like the first

(14:13):
thing on my list, and I think overrated. The first
thing on my list definitely is the term latin X.
I'm so tired of hearing it, and I just did
a talk on it also at Redline where I kind
of had to like share some information where I'm like,
I really don't understand why we're kind of persisting in
this space, and I don't think a lot of people

(14:34):
really are having that discussion. The majority of people in
the community don't really use it. So I finally like,
it's absolutely annoying to me that it's still here, It's
sticking around, and it's everywhere I can't escape it. Right,
is the word that you prefer is Latino like for
broad or what? What? What is the preferred word for me?

(15:00):
I prefer to just be called Puerto Rican in Cuban. Sure,
it's much more descriptive. Right, so that you understand what
my cultural nuance is right my milieu, Yeah, totally. And
so the term Latino in general to me or Hispanic
or all of these other kind of terms that jumble
us all in together, just continue this process of us

(15:24):
being all seen as the same, right, continuing that monolitht
So for me, it's kind of like Latin X. It's like,
you know, you've heard it, right, you can shine a turd,
but it's still a turd, right, You're trying to modernize
a term that's already like super offensive invested up, So like,
I really don't understand the need for the hegemonic like

(15:44):
nature of it, right, for it to now have an
English ending, like have the woke version of the hegemonic
insulting term. Yeah, we're good here, okay, I put. Yeah,
well that's good. Yeah, I think formative. Yeah, it's good
to hear about that, because I've heard a little bit
about it in general. Yeah, that it's sort of been

(16:06):
imposed from outside or brought in by people who didn't
ask for new words or additional words that aren't as helpful. Right,
And there was already like a gender inclusive word in Spanish,
so latine already existing. So it was interesting to see
the X kind of get thrown in where you're like, dude,
we don't I don't use it X ever, like it's there,

(16:30):
but don't talk about it, Like how did you put
it at the end of the word, Like this is
so confusing, And it just seems like English now is
really starting to meld in and we've kind of moved
from a new level of Spanglish to just the bastardry
of these languages together. Yeah. Wow, What is something you

(16:51):
think is underrated? Underrated? For me definitely is the Puerto
Rican independence movement. I think a lot of the time
it's like it's always statehood and everybody wants to talk
about statehood, and I'm like, nobody wants to be a
state right read the room, Like, so, I think the
talk of Puerto Rican independence is often like pushed aside,

(17:15):
even in the major movements that it had throughout time.
Right now especially, it's definitely not getting the push that
I think it really needs to have because there's not
a lot of background and how it can be something
that's functional. So I think it's definitely underrating. The guy
who invented Latin X is like, fine, will let you

(17:35):
be a state, but you owe us. Okay, how many
favors do I have to do? You jee? But you
don't like debt. You don't like debt. Wow, all right,
let's take a quick break and we'll come back, and

(17:56):
we'll talk about the wave of shoplifting that is taking
over the country and making it hard for our favorite people.
They're people too. Walmart is a person, and we need
to admit that and take care of our Walmart. We'll
be right back, and we're back. And I think it's

(18:31):
since the last time we covered shoplifting, we talked about
the wave of shoplifting being out of control that was
used to try to get Chase A. Bootine out of
office in San Francisco and like helped lead to his
successful recall, and just generally that was a favorite talking

(18:54):
point on the right for a while. And in the
mainstream media, you know, the New York Times is not
immune from a story decrying the crime wave that's out
of control and writing an op edge that says, all
we need to do is higher one million more police officers,

(19:17):
and America's problems will go away. So since the last
time we cover this, there's been a couple of big
stories about shoplifting focused on the walls, both Mart and Greens,
Walmart and Walgreens. And the news story that I'm seeing
everywhere in the past week is that Walmarc Walmart is

(19:37):
saying that they don't call them their name, they're Walmart.
Now we don't like their Walmart Walmarc's Walmart claims they've
had to close every single Portland's store because of shoplifting.
That that is how I've seen it quoted on Twitter.
They've had to close every single Walmart in Portland, like

(19:59):
they are their stores there still every single Walmart. It
turns out there were two Walmarts in all of Portland
and they had to close these two stores for reasons.
That so, at the end of last year, their CEO

(20:21):
got on an earnings call and dick ride theft. It
was around the same time that the Walgreen CEO was
getting on an earnings call and being like, we were exaggerating.
There really wasn't this massive theft problem. But anyways, I
think this story is getting traction because people want to

(20:41):
believe that Portland is a city that's out of control
like San Francisco. They just want the entire West Coast
to be liberal progressives who've lost control of their societies
and that's the problems are coming home to roost West.

(21:03):
That's right, the ocean turns them crazy liberal West. Yeah,
I'm sure. I'm sure that has been a chiron on
the Tucker Carlton shot show, like the Wild Probably not liberal,
probably more like the Wild Marxists West or something like that. Yeah,

(21:23):
that's easily one of my least favorite conservative tropes. That's
a heated competition. There's a lot of bandwids, but like
being being from Illinois, they just demonize Chicago that way,
and Wisconsin just demonizes Milwaukee like conservatives just want to
argue that we should remove cities as if they are
not part of the country. Yeah, even though they're full

(21:44):
of people from the country. There's actually a lot of
Americans in there. No, yes, but dare those people county?
So the truth Usually these articles are fueled by industry
groups and you know, city departments of commerce or you know,

(22:08):
lobbying groups, and the statistics are always super vague when
it comes to what, you know, how much shoplifting has grown.
It's always anecdotal as fuck. And but even on this
Walmart story, which is gaining so much attraction, even the
industry groups are like, this doesn't seem to be what's

(22:32):
going on here. So there's this article from Oregon Live
that says thefton other crime. The Walmart watchers said, it's
surely a concern for the chain, but the impact is
is rarely enough to close an otherwise successful store without
warning and especially without appeals to local officials for assistance.
That's the other thing. They never actually want to do

(22:53):
anything about this problem other than, you know, get the
media on their side by complaining about it. And then
they say, the decision to close down a store is
typically linked to sales, said Neil Saunders, Managing director of
the Retail division at Global Data, which often has nothing
to do with thefts or shoplifting. And then they point

(23:13):
out that Walmart just has never had success in Portland
because the people of Portland prefer established stores like fred Meyer,
which that's just a guy's name but apparently also a
store in Portland, and it also sells general merchandise alongside groceries.

(23:34):
And they say Walmart typically needs to be where they
can be a big player and capture all the shares.
There are some locations where they've struggled to gain a
strong foothold and they've left those places. So this man, Yeah,
I just it drives me so nuts when any highly automated,
highly mechanized business suddenly loses track of all the numbers.

(23:58):
When they want to how we track shoplifting, We're we're
basically a bodega. Stuff is just on our shelves. I
don't know, we don't, we don't know. Yeah, that's right. Well,
you know that if this was the problem that was
causing them to have to close stores, they would be

(24:19):
working with Boston Dynamic to create some manner of robotic
security cat that, like every Walmart would have a greater
that was also an ED two O nine from RoboCop
that could just turn around and light people up. Like
that's that is what would happen in America if this

(24:40):
was as big a problem as they claim it is. Yeah,
to your point, Alex. The so the way that the
company's account for this is they lump theft in with
shrinkage is what they call it, which includes problems they
have tracking inventory. So like, and people who work at
Walmart are like, no, that like it's a small part

(25:03):
of that. It's most of the problem is that they
lose track of inventory because it's a massive store, and
like you know, things get lost or they over order
and the orders are under delivered, and it's just like
general businessman fuck ups, and of course they don't want

(25:25):
First of all, that's more boring than showing videos of
you know, an isolated incident of a shoplifter, you know,
doing something awesome like shoplifting. Yeah, exactly. The name is
out of control. Yeah, I feel like it was a
corporate ploy, like from the top of the top, like
they had a meeting. They sat down and they were like,

(25:47):
how can we get away with making people think that
we're losing money? I know, have them check out themselves.
How do we make ourselves the victims in this store?
This narrative where we just like parachute into the middle
of a community and put all of the businesses out
of out of business by just you know, using our

(26:09):
massive scale. I know, we claim that after we've put
all those businesses out of business and people are so
hungry they have to occasionally shoplift, we blame the shoplift
for rising prices because yeah, and then they put in
that prime option, right, so it's like right here, you
go check yourself out. There gets Okay, don't worry about it. Hey,

(26:31):
we're not going to arrest you laters. Stop it. That's
the other thing we talked about is that a lot
of the shrinkage that's happening is because and a lot
of the theft is driven by the fact that they
have switched to automated checkouts. Right, Automated checkout systems make
it much easier to shoplift. They have. It's not like

(26:52):
they were not aware of that when they switched to
automated systems. They just made the calculation that the theft
was not going to cost them as much as they
were saving by not having to pay human employees. Yeah,
they just they just built it in and now they're
like finding one video of one guy, right, and especially

(27:12):
honestly shout out to anybody's shoplifting food. Keep it up.
There is humongous food waste all across America all the time.
We have a community fridge here that we've been like
getting stuff for and it turns out you can just
because stores are like, we don't sell all this stuff
have it. So if you're shoplifting it, you're basically doing
it that good. You're putting the food use like you

(27:33):
know legally, I did not tell you to do that.
Legal handwif read you know, wink wink quick Alex did
put parents. He did put bracket around the brackets around
the whole thing with his hands, so legally you cannot
sue him. Official, so official, yes. So they grow out
so much too, Like have you ever seen the dumpsters

(27:53):
behind a Walmart? Like they push it to the end possible,
like the possible degree of like this is still kind
of good, but not really, but I would rather throw
it away that give it to you. So it's like
there their purchase orders and like the whole thing is
just such a mess that it's just kind of hilarious
to me that they're confused. I was reading in the old.

(28:15):
I was reading an old I forget what it was,
but it was like an old work of nonfiction, like
from I think it was like the eighties or nine. Oh,
I think it was a City of Courts actually about La,
like the really great history of La and everybody should
check it out. But the author is writing about this

(28:37):
new thing that they're seeing, and he like can't get
his mind around it. And it's that they put locks
on their dumpsters too, and he's just like how dystopian
is this world where they're putting locks on their dumpsters
And that's something that I've like took Mike Davis as
the author. So Mike Davis is like writing in the

(28:57):
about Los Angeles in the early nine these like late eighties,
as like they've started putting locks on the dumpsters to
prevent people from getting to the food that they're wasting.
Like what is happening? And that's something that I just
was like hedge taken for granted a long time ago
that that's just something corporations do. But it's interesting to

(29:20):
see see somebody see it again with fresh eyes and
just be like, oh no, what are we becoming? And
then the guy from the corporation is like, not only
could they get food out of this, they could use
it for shelter. Imagine that horrible event, right if someone
did that, if they have like yes, because this is

(29:42):
my top choice, right, Like I definitely want to be
in the meat dumpster behind the Walmart in the middle
of a blizzard. You know that's a Friday for me? Um?
Oh is that where I know you from? Were we
in the same in the same This is what kids
are doing these days? This is where they party, is

(30:03):
that the dumpsters behind walmarts to get free handouts. The
other article that I was seeing a lot of a
few weeks back is a supposed deep dive by New
York Magazine that like goes into the seed underbelly of
these crime rings that are supposedly driving this out of

(30:26):
control problem in New York and that it like definitely
starts from the position of, Hey, you're in New York.
You've seen that all of your like all the things
that Walgreens and Dwayne Reid are locked in big clear
plastic boxes. What's up with that? And so they're you know,
use that as the starting point, and they're like, crime

(30:46):
is out of control, and they get listened to these people,
you know, the industry experts who are like they're actually
big organized crime rings or these people called boosters who
just nine to five take stuff from store shelves. That's
an organized crime wave. And they find no evidence of that,

(31:10):
like all all the shoplifting is. He doesn't find a
single example of somebody who's a shoplifter, like a regular
shoplifter who's not trying to support an addiction, like a
drug habit like that. It's just desperate people. Yeah, all
of these stories are like almost just scorsesy movies or

(31:33):
something like. Just get your entertainment that way, folks, you
don't need to read these faky news stories that claim
this is going got like, just consume crime fiction. There's
so much of it out there. Yeah, just go all
the way they're coming for the couponers next, you know, like, yeah,
i'd see that at the arc light or whatever. Sure, yeah, totally.

(31:53):
Like my Southwest, they openly acknowledge like their statistics are
impossible to buy, but they don't acknowledge that the fact
that statistics are impossible to come by is because the
companies don't want you to know, like that it's not
as big a problem as you that as your story

(32:16):
wants it to be. And then there's just a lot
of language like this to the extent that there has
been a nationwide spike in shoplifting and the problem likely
got worse during the pandemic. So it's just a lot
of those words that if you have like taken a
journalism course or something, you're like, uh huh, oh okay,
So we were just suppose supposing that there is this

(32:39):
problem that this entire article is predicated on because it's
clunky enough that it sounds like they forced the anti
shoplifting robot to write it, like they sat about a computer,
beat their big metal hands at it. Yeah, you tell
them what was right? You tell them? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is a quote from the area. Every generation goes

(33:00):
through a shoplifting panic, and comprehensive data on this frequently
unreported crime is nearly impossible to come by, and it's like, yeah,
there's there's a reason why you're you're getting the scoop
on this one. And other journalistic institutions have not done
their big shoplifting article yet, but it doesn't stop people

(33:21):
from writing about. The New York Post had a headline
Walmart too close remaining Portland stores as crime ridden city
battles shoplifting wave. So it's you know, it's going to
keep going, unfortunately, and that's frustrating. But as long as
as long as we know, you know, as long as
we know the truth. I feel like I'm talking to

(33:42):
like a five year old. Well, you know, you have friends,
so don't listen to them. They're bullies. Yeah I do.
I do. Always kind of hope this story will this
kind of story will wear itself out, you know, like
every every election they've been doing a conservative story about
a migrant care van, and you would think there's not
enough juice in that to do it eternally, you know,

(34:04):
And so hopefully this one wears out too. Everybody owns
a thesaurus over there, right, like they're just lifting in
every way. You just headline again, different words though, yeah,
same thing. Yeah. And by the way, if you're shoplifting
at the saurus almost as good as shoplifting food, keep
it up. That's that's just gonna teach you stuff. That's

(34:26):
I honor that we support the shoplifting of food. And
the sourus size I don't know. I don't know the
souss of all the time to not have one, oh boy,
oh geez. Does the sourus have the soaurus in it?
Does it have the word the sourus in it? It

(34:47):
just creates a black hole when you look for it.
That's it. Yeah, this is I don't know. There's I'm
reminded a lot in covering the news these days. I'm
remind did a lot of the documentary hyper Normalization and
just the concept of that, which is that we created

(35:10):
this massive global economy that is too powerful and has
too much inertia for anybody to do anything about. So
we're all and have been for the past, like since
the eighties, just been sitting back and watching whatever it
chooses to do. Like whatever this massive like hyper I

(35:34):
don't know, I wouldn't call it a hyper intelligence, but
like it's making decisions that aren't controlled by any human
and we're just sitting back, like watching it and trying
to tell a story around it. At this you just
described the shape monster from Dogma. Yeah, yeah, well Dogma
Guts first thing that popped in my head. But yeah,

(35:57):
I mean the with climate with and yeah anything with
it prices change, it prices going up, and people needing
to steal to eat, and it's all just sitting back
and trying to tell stories about this thing that. You know,
we talked yesterday about this massive drilling project that Biden
just approved, and it's like this vast chunk of land

(36:24):
in Alaska, and in order to make it possible, they
have to put chillers into the earth to make the
earth cold enough for them to be able to drill
into the earth to get the oil out, which will
then exacerbate climate change. And it's it's just like, you know,
he ran on stopping these sorts of things, but it's

(36:46):
there's just this massive machine that's out of everybody's control,
and everybody's just posturing around it. Basically, I see the
next story here. It's about lunchables, just humongous economy forces.
I'm imagining like a lunchable's pizza over the earth, like
the Independent Stayship. Yes, like we're just yeah, you know, yeah,

(37:16):
I'm ready welcome to Earth. And he takes a bite
out of it, you know. Yeah, all right, let's take
a quick break and we'll come back and talk about
good news such as the lunchables will now be a
core part of school lunches. We'll be right back, and

(37:42):
we're back and speaking of the extra Extra Cheesy because
that is one of the flavors that made it into
like made it through the school nutrition filter and is
going to be on offer. There's the turkey cheese crackers
and the extra cheesy pizza is the other version of

(38:03):
lunchables that will children will be able to buy for
school lunch next year that I never did, you guys
ever eat the cheese pizza version of lunchables that always
grossed me out so much, far too many times, my friend,
far too many times. How does it not feel like
you're eating a pizza before it's in the oven? Or

(38:26):
is that what it feels like? To be fair, I
was living in Florida at the time, so if you
just left it outside for a little while, you were
good there you go, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly,
and nothing else would eat it. So it was great,
Like you could put it on the sidewalk at the bottom,

(38:46):
you know, ants wouldn't touch it. You're like, this is
this is totally good for me. I'm gonna put this
in my pie hole. Super gross. The ants just move
out of the neighborhood. So the story is framed as
you know, as a story would be in the United States,
as a success story for I mean, we're like we've
been talking about how the new go to movie protagonist

(39:12):
is like brands that we like, you know, the The
Air Jordan one of my favorite most beloved brands. There's
a movie coming out that is where that's essentially the protagonists.
They didn't even cast anybody to play Michael Jordan. It's
just the story of like people coming up with the
marketing idea that people like. People I've heard of who

(39:32):
saw it say it's good. It's directed by Ben Affleck,
who has made things that I've enjoyed in the past.
But when when I was growing up in Chicago, I
had a lot of posters on my wall of the
shoe company executives who had developed Yeah that film Nights
poster where he's just kind of leaning against a wall
and a brown blazer. Yeah, but this ABC News story

(39:55):
is kind of written from that perspective. The opening sentence,
Kraft Times has succeeded in getting it's ready to eat
packaged lunchables into school lunch programs starting this fall in
a major new initiative. So we know who our protagonist is.
It's the Kraft Times company, and they've apparently been trying
to do this for a while. Like, that's what I

(40:16):
got from that whole line. Yes, Oh, this isn't new. Yes,
it's been a long effort of just having honest conversations
and probably no lobbying efforts or anything like that. No,
it's right, it's probably been. Yeah, this is the problem
with having a society that is run by massive multinational

(40:37):
corporations who are ultimately making the decisions and like have
the power to bend regulatory agencies to their will. So,
in what seems like a major emission of guilt, in
order to get their food for kids served alongside you know,
burnt rectangular pizza, Sloppy Joe's, like the stuff that is

(41:00):
normally in school lunches, they had to reformulate the ingredients
to meet the guidelines of like stuff that you should
be allowed to serve two kids that's actually put food
in it. Yes, yeah, well we can't just give them salt.
It would It would be funny if these are amazing. Now,

(41:21):
I do want to see one where like it comes
out and it's this amazing gourmet pizza or something, because beautiful.
I would just watch all the all the kids squirting
that sauce onto that cracker which is a pizza, and
I just never looked great. But man, I've read the
ingredients and I love that the sauces that it says
like red an orange vegetable paste, and I'm like, I

(41:43):
don't I don't know what that means. I don't even
do I want to know what that means. I think
that's that's always a real problem when they go from
extremely complicated scientific terms that like make your brain hurt
to even try and like figure out how to pronounce
them back to something that is like extra basic like

(42:05):
natural flavors or yeah, red and orange vegetable paste is like, oh,
why are you guys being so vague? That is that
suggests there is danger here. Hey, we disclosed both colors. Okay,
we disclosed both colors, being very open about this, that's right. Yeah,

(42:27):
you should have seen it first. Okay, it was a
really horrible ship round and we managed to make it
work with some food coloring and some pure carries, like
you've got this, Like that's and that is the act
one break where you where they succeed in getting the
brown paste to look red. And that's when that that's

(42:48):
what gets people excited for. That's like the inciting incident
in the in the movie about lunchables getting to be
the school lunch directed by Ben Affleck It so it
looks more like pizza every day, Like I really want

(43:08):
to see that. That that movie would be amazing, Like
obviously you couldn't, you'd have to call them something different,
but yeah, just a really straight faced, triumphant tale of
them trying to get these under the sensors who are like,
this is this isn't food, Like I can't, it can't
in good conscience. Let let you sell this to children.

(43:31):
And they're like, go back to the drawing board. It's
gonna be food. You get on board. Yeah, they're like,
it's food to me. Musical yeah, immediately you have to
break out his song. It's so bad, like yeah, but
they still will be selling the sodium bomb variety that

(43:56):
I'm pretty like, when I eat something that is this
high in sodium, I look the next day like my
face was like be stung all over the place from
just the amount of water retention that happens when you
have this much sodium. But I have been giving your
bees so much grief and now I too, Yeah, the
whole hive. I know. Well that's what I tell people.

(44:17):
I slew forward, I've been be stung. But it's actually
just ate four bowls of ramen the night before instant
ramen choices. Can't open my eyes all the way. But yeah,
so I don't know that this feels like what we
should expect. This is what our best scientific minds are

(44:40):
working on, Like now that they've mastered the doritos, like
the mouth feel of the nacho cheese doritos and made
them like as addictive as possible, and you know, figured
out how to turn them into taco bell taco shells.
They are onto bringing the cold, extra cheesy pizza factory
aid meals like just under the barrier for nutrition guidelines

(45:05):
and still addictive enough to probably warp the entire health
of these children for years to come. But I don't
know the the other goal here that they really By
reading an article wherein Kraft Hinds is the protagonist, you
get this they're just openly like sharing what their goals are.

(45:30):
Like they said one of the main selling points for
schools is that the lunchables for schools don't need to
be frozen but kept refrigerated, quote, minimizing school labor needs
and costs. So it's just a way to cut out
more labor to fire lunch ladies essentially, I don't know
how they're saving costs them, like does it It's going

(45:51):
to create more waste, right, oh for sure? So doubt
you're gonna spend more in disposing of this waste that
you're definitely not going to recycled, right and right, which
even if you did recycle, it probably wouldn't actually get recycled, right,
so like the cycle continues, you know, fun times. Yeah.

(46:12):
I feel like this is related to Walmart in the
sense that a lot of capitalism for the past like
thirty years has just been reformatting, like our markets and
our you know, societies, so that all of the is
just being like siphoned by these big central corporations, right,

(46:37):
and so this is another way to just cut out
any spending that goes to the local community, like in
the form of chefs who come into the schools and
like make hot lunches for children, Like you gotta get
rid of that, because that's wasted spending. We could just
be getting that money directly here at Kraft Hinds and

(46:58):
just siphon all the money directly to a publicly traded corporation.
I also wonder, like, what are the pharmaceutical drugs that
are going to come from this being advertised to children
going to look like, right, here's for your hypertension, and
it's in the shape of a you know, yeah, to
be like flintstone gummies, you know, for hypertension, and like

(47:20):
seven year olds, Yeah, don't worry. We used every color again.
We are really big on the whole rainbow. You know
the rainbow, right, great, we used the whole rainbow. Looked
at him. You don't know what a zucchini is, but
you know, you know what this color is, right, It
kind of looks like something healthy. Yeah, you don't know
what zucchini is, but you know green vegetable paste that

(47:43):
you get to spread on your turkey and cheese crackers.
We actually have to put the turkey and quotes on
the box, unfortunately, but yeah, you again, if we read
it out loud, we have to say it in a
really sarcastic voice. It's just it's the law. We follow
law right for the purposes of and by the instruction

(48:06):
of our legal department that will be making this entire
statement in air quotes. Thank you. And then so I
just want to read this other quote from later on
the article. But offering lunchables in school cafeterias might be
welcome in some school districts that are struggling with higher
food costs than labor shortages, says Diane Prett Hevner, spokesperson

(48:28):
for the School Nutrition Association, a trade group with fifty
thousand members representing school food service providers. So the it's
that that seems like, okay, that person was on part
of an organization that got lobbied to ship to uselessness.
But also just the higher food costs and labor shortages

(48:50):
are also these talking points of like, well, you could
lower the prices on food because the inflation was really
just a thing where fuel companies decided to raise raise
prices and get more get more money. And then labor
shortages is the thing where it's you know, sorry, guys,

(49:13):
we can't open the bar because nobody wants to work anymore.
It's like like some school districts are struggling, like in
other words, marginalized communities that we don't want to feed properly. Yeah,
like that's exactly what they're trying to say, Like we
know these kids at like charter schools and like these

(49:35):
really really well funded areas are not going to be
eating extra extra cheesy lunchable hardwork pizza. Right. Yes, they're
ordering from like door dash for lunch. They're like, Mom,
I'm having sushi. Don't care what's on this lunch many right,
you're gonna have it delivered for me today. So I

(49:56):
also find that that's kind of funny. Like the way
that they tend to work those things make it seem
like they're trying to really help in a situation where
they're actually just making things so much worse for those
children in those communities. Yes, yeah, I also wonder if
if kids know how powerful this Kraft Heinz company is, right.
I think I was a kid when they merged those

(50:16):
used to be two companies, and they were already huge,
and then they were yeah even, and then they just decided,
we don't like to compete with each other, and let's
just be all of the food. Like like, there's there's
so many levers for solving the problem they have described,
and it doesn't have to just be their favorite lever
to pull, you know what I mean, We can we
can do other ways to do this. Yeah. I also

(50:38):
wonder if they saw the school lunch debt stories that
we all saw. Instead of seeing like a problem that
illustrated how bad things have gotten in our country, they
like saw an opportunity to like get some of that
squeet sweet school lunch money. They're cool school lunch debt,
you say, that's that's where it's at. School lunches call

(51:00):
a lot of money. Anyways, what did you guys have
a favorite lunchable. Let's on the back end, so let's
talk seriously though lunchibles. I do think lugibles made me
like crackers and cheese and crackers more than I otherwise
would have. I still really love cheese and crackers, I

(51:22):
think because lunchables, my brain like lit up every time
I got to eat. My parents didn't give me lunchables
and I was mad at them for that at the time. Yeah,
I wasn't given them and I felt left out, But
also I think that led me to believe they're incredibly
expensive when I don't actually know that they are or not.
I just I was just like, why do the other

(51:43):
kids have that? But I had a lot of like
similar food, and I really liked ritz bits in a
similar cheese and crackers way where it was two tiny
ritzes and then like a cheesy spread in the middle,
which is probably lunchables essentially, and was great. It was
really good powdered cheese twin two crackers. Yeah yeah, but
with quotes around it and you have to say it

(52:04):
real sarcastic and yeah, yeah, absolutely, I got whatever it
was on sale, so like, yeah, yeah, my mom was
like here you go. What's on sale. It's on sale
in bulk. Yeah, I think the day that she got
like a it used to be a different store, but
now I guess it's bought It got bought up by Costco. Right,

(52:25):
so price Club. Right, She's like, I have a membership.
I'm so excited. What am I gonna do? Lunchables in bulk? Like, right, yeah,
don't ask me for nothing. I don't want you to
ask me for snacks, don't ask me for breakfast, don't
ask me for dinner. That's right. Yeah. And when I
like read the story about the tremendous success of lunchables,

(52:47):
it was in a book that was at least partially
about like the obesity epidemic and in the country, and
how these companies like it was basically the people who
manufactured the smoking like you know, got everybody addicted to cigarettes.
Like once those became less and less legal and more

(53:07):
and more regulated, they shifted their focus to food and
basically use the same approach to get people addicted to
their food and make money and drove the obesity epidemic.
And yeah, I mean they're still regulators, but they regulators
don't stand a chance with Kraft Hyns. They wouldn't stand

(53:28):
a chance with Kraft or Hims, let alone Kraft Hynes
now that they're one giant conglomerate, like you own everything. Yeah, well, Denise,
it's been such a pleasure having you on the daily zeitgeist.
Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff.
I am not a huge fan of Twitter, so you

(53:49):
can find me on Instagram. There you go at the
Vampdeville and on my website at the vampdeville dot com,
where you can find out what I'm up to and
what I'm doing. It's pretty much the only place that
I'm hanging out. There you go. I wish I was
more social media friend? Is there that I think that's
probably healthy? Yeah? Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I'm in one

(54:11):
place that's it. Is there a work of media that
you've been enjoying. It's so funny. It was so hard
for me too because I was like, I don't tweet,
so there was no tweets. But then what I saw
going around recently is the quote from Peggy noun In's
article in The Wall Street Journal about Ronda Santas where

(54:33):
she's like, he carries a vibe as I've said that
he might unplug your life support to recharge his cell phone.
It was like, I have never heard a human being
described so elegant, eloquently, perfectly. Damn Peggy Bars fucking ethered him.
It was great. It's everywhere, like especially interesting because she

(54:54):
will eventually endorse him. That's all right, yeah, but it's okay,
it's okay. His phone is charged, his phone will be charged.
Joe Biden would let my iPhone run out of battery
or whatever? Yeah, that fast, you know, Alex? How about you?

(55:16):
Where can people find you? Is their work of media?
You've been enjoying? I I've been enjoying watching TikTok's in general,
and especially a specific kind where people take their house
pet and then they play that old Mister Sandman song
under it, like bum bum bum bump bump bump bum.
But then you split up the frame and so then

(55:37):
it looks like a bunch of your cat. You like
lift it through like it's a synchronized swimmer in those
Buzzby Berkeley musicals. It's great. That's the main media I'm enjoying.
And if you go on TikTok, I hope the algorithm
gives you one, it's the best. Well, now, how are
none of those nominated for an Academy Award. There's so

(55:58):
many categories for shorts. How like they fu Yeah, that
sounds like art glories. I see what you did there? Okay, yeah,
there you go. I'm feline like they got ripped off
right boom and us boy? Why did I do that?

(56:22):
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was referencing once you said that, So I did not
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in the biz. Yeah, yes, yeah, a tweet I've been enjoying.
I'm still riding free elon over here. At rsgat. Is
that what that means if I still go to I'm
just lazy, I don't and I have followers. It's the
only place I have followers allow me to continue to
lark on Twitter at rsgat tweeted everyone with student loan

(57:28):
debt right now and it's the it's the Willem Dafoe
still and he's saying, I'm I'm something of a failed
venture capital bank myself. I really enjoyed that. You can
find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can

(57:48):
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the information that we talked about in today's episode, as
well as a song that we think you might enjoy.
Superproducer Justin has been absolutely killing it with the recommendations.

(58:12):
I believe that somebody created a playlist with some of his,
if if not most, of his song recommendations. If we
ever find that, yeah, I hope that's true. I'm gonna
look for it, but yeah, I think I saw it
in the discord. If you did that, reach out to
one of us on you know, Twitter, and let us

(58:33):
know and we will well, we'll share that link in
the footnotes. But Justin, what is the song that you
think people will be enjoying today. Well, considering the discussion
of psychedelics up top, I wanted to suggest this track.
Please forgive me if I suggested this song before. I
truly can't remember. Sometimes it just means it's extra good.

(58:54):
If you did, you should check it out again. Yeah, okay, anyway,
I'm not a fan of the Beatles, but I do
find myself liking the psychedelic rock that they inspired, and
this track sounds like if they took a lot of
acid and scored a cosmic car chase sequence. Um, it's
a song called the fuzz Jam. This is a band
from Australia called The Lazy Eyes. They're very inventive. I

(59:18):
think their first album just came out last year, So yeah,
check them out. This is fuzz Jam by the Lazy
Eyes and you can find that song in the foot notes. Also,
somebody needs to just create a poetry book of Justin's
descriptions of the songs that he recommends, because always so good,
so great. If the Beatles took a lot of acid

(59:44):
and scored a cosmic car chase, I think, yeah, it's
the first thing that popped in my head. I feel
like people will agree with me. It's the only image
that came to my mind. It's it's right there. Yeah,
Everyone's like, yep, that's it. Amazing. Well. The Daily Zeitgeist
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