June 16, 2022 • 48 mins
Miles and Jack were joined by co-host of NBA Finals File and producer of Mad Boosties, Jabari Davis on the latest episode. The trio dove into Steph's signature Finals moment(s), the ascension of Andrew Wiggins, Boston's chances of fighting back and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The NBA Finals continue to deliver elevated heartbeats and getting
us out of our seats with every game and where
talk about it all not but I you know, got
the momentum out. I'm like, I'm about to spin a bar,
but I can't get very far. But don't worry about that,
because we have a very special guest co host up
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the NBA Finals file and producer of some show called
Miles and Jackot Matt Boostie's Jabari Davis. I'm Miles Gray
and I'm Jack O'Brien and this is Miles and Jack
got boost heer Berg con Jabari's face as we're doing
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that intro when he realizes that this is what he
has chosen to do for a living, is to be
involved with two clowns. I do always like to look
at the guests face while we're doing that. It's like
the a k. S on our show Daily Zeitgeist, where
you're fun to be like, oh wait, what what is happening?
Why am I here? But it's also fun to watch
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the producer's face because they are also tied to this.
People are either instantly panicked or immediately get that as
a joke, and it's it's either or, and I love
that about the Jabari. How you feeling about the finals?
We got what we just had game five as of
this recording, game six coming up. When you hear this
to day Thursday, Um, let's see. So we gotta cover three,
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four and five basically since our last episode three four
or five? Yeah, why was six afraid of five? Because
three four five doesn't work for them? Series of numbers?
More five? There it is. I don't think we're going
to a Game eight, but I do think we might
be going to a Game seven. That would be predict
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I think, yeah. I feel like off the strength of
these last three games, it feels like that is very,
very possible. So the Celtics in six, first theory that
you had, when did that change became impossible? That changed
with about three minutes left to go in the game.
I continue to be all right, So I don't think
I'm alone in this. I continue to feel like when
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the Celtics are at their high point, it's better than
any team I've seen in the NBA. This whole season
is like that because of how dominant they are on
defense and how much they're flowing on offense. Like I'm
in various NBA text threads, and like most of them
were only lit up when the Celtics went from down
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twelve at the half too down two within like it
was literally less than two minutes. Like, so I don't
know that is still my big takeaway is every time
they lose, I'm just a little bit confused, Like I'm
glad I do not that because man, like they just
looked so good when they have it go. Yeah. I
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came into the series is thinking that like, if both
teams were at their best, that the Warriors probably you know,
like he had the edge. But you know, of course,
anytime you know you have not necessarily two completely opposing teams,
but two teams with you know, somewhat different styles, obviously,
whoever is able to you know, impose their will more
and you know whatever, let's see if we can if
I can work in eight or nine more um uh
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generic genericastems related to the NBA. But honestly, you know,
I felt like, you know, the team that imposed their
will was going to be the one that you know,
came out victorious. But also yeah, that too, when you know,
like stop turning the ball over again. You know we're
but what I but I actually agree with you, jack Um.
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When we've seen both of their best, it still feels
like the Celtics are the better team. Yeah, Like because
like you were saying right like in your text, like,
I guess we'll talk about you know, that third quarter
in Game five, which typically has been the Warriors quarter
in this series, when you said you're getting texts of
people like whoa Celtics. I feel like that's how the
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Warriors felt to like playing against it, Like they were
like WHOA what they can we get one shot off? Please? Maybe?
And it felt like then they were like just resorting
to try and shoot their way out of it to
no avail. And I was like, this is not a
This is not a good situation for the Warriors if
they can't figure it out. Yeah, Steph didn't have it
going from deep, but yeah, I mean overall impressions from
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Games three through five, you know, Game three Celtics one.
Obviously Jalen Brown seven teen points in the first quarter.
I don't know, man, like they just they look really
really good when when they got it going. But I
think my my big takeaway or like my you know,
what's dope? Or did you see that or whatever? We
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we have, uh decided to call that was Steph going
for forty three. But even even that, I remember Jack
and Gundhi being like what he is doing right now
is like carrying a team, you know, like you can
talk about the Splash Brothers and all that stuff, but
like this team has some major flaws and Steph is
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like really carrying them the way Lebron carried some of
those Cleveland teams. And that felt right to me, Like
it feels like the Celtics and they still might win
the series, but not in six, which is a tragedy
because I really wanted to be right. I'll say this
about that game from staff, It's not fair. And when
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I say it's not fair, and I'm talking about like
the general narrative when it comes to you know, his
his career, you know where it's oh he's never had that,
you know, that pivotal series or that incredible moment or game. Well,
we got that, you know in Boston Garden On, you know,
obviously on the road in a pivotal situation where you know,
if they go down three one, I'm not saying I'm
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not saying it's over because obviously you know they were
involved in a final series where you know, obviously it
was not over, you know, at three one, but I
I will honestly say, I think I think it's done
in five if they had lost that game. So you know,
he he met the moment was absolutely incredible and to
your point, was absolutely you know, not just carrying but
very clearly covering for you know, significant holes that honestly
(06:12):
I didn't that I didn't necessarily anticipate heading into the series. Yeah,
it's I mean, I think, yeah, game four depends if though,
if the Warriors end up winning this series. I feel
like we're gonna look at game four as the absolute
turning point because, like you're saying, that's the three Like
three one, that's a difficult situation to be in. He
found an extra gear to prevent that, and then they
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go on to win Game five, and then that's the
first time the Celtics I believe, have lost back to
back in the playoffs this year. So they're also a
new territory to where they're like, look, we can go
back and forth with you to a certain point, but this,
you know, coming off think back to the the game four
and five, you're like, well, now it's a little different,
but all that to say, I don't I feel like
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the Celtics will find it within themselves to to avoid
going out in six. You think that when we look
back at that game four and we're looking at the
performance of Steph Curry, like, so one of the things
that's gonna strike us as like how far he was
shooting from, Like he was really shooting from very far,
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like the three point line. You get three points because
it's like far away from the basket. But then like
some of those was like even you know, really really far,
like really far from the basket. Those are like some
pretty far ones. I would say, yeah, that's what I
was thinking, Like I was, I was trying to say that,
but I don't think I put it as well as you.
And those shots are far too Gary, Sayton pops it away,
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Sayton the elite defender off the bench. Curry steps back three,
Potter step cry first three three. Sorry not a long
distance shot that Steph Curry long distance Three's at a
five point lady for the Warriors. And speaking of far,
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it's interesting he wasn't the only one that you know,
was shooting it from far. Yeah, that's a really good point.
Game five. Jordan Pool got in on the action, Jordan
Pool buzzer beaters, Like, is it the same with you
guys that the first thing you remember hearing his name
is when he was a freshman at Michigan hitting that
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buzzer beater to keep them alive in the second round.
Do you remember that? I didn't know. Actually, nah, so
I was ignorant. Yeah he was. I think he was
a freshman. I remember he was like the most notable
prior to that, other than like being a pretty good shooter,
most notable for having the shortest shorts in the n
C Double A tournament. And he hit a go ahead
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buzzer beater I think for Michigan a year that they
made a deep run. Yeah, I'm trying to I'm trying
to find a tweet, but I'll just paraphrase it. I'm
I don't know if you guys saw it. Somebody said,
Jordan Pool, please, Like it's the students versus fact game
in in in the finals, and he plays with that
type of confidence And that's not a knock, that's not it.
(09:05):
That's not a dism any way. But he plays with
that type of confidence out there and it's it's kind
of amazing. Yeah, it does feel it's so self assured
that you almost can't believe it. Because even when he
took this shot, I was like, yeah, he might make that,
and he didn't. I was like, oh okay, so uh
students faculty, I get that joke, but he did. Which
team is he on? He when they when people say
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he looks like he's student faculty, like he's on the
student side, and he's just like breaking old people's ankles
type thing. Basically, either either that or that faculty member
that actually that actually hoot, that's just haunted to destroy lives,
right right right. He's like, I don't think of making
fun of my sneakers earlier. Awesome, I got something for
you wing tips. Yeah yeah, yeah, put these pro wings on.
(09:48):
See what you got then? But yeah it should We
just play that clip of the that third quarter buzzer
beater off of rebound wagons, got three seconds, You got
a shottle? What gets the polo gets it all the time? Thanks.
It was the bank. I think the confidence. He was
just like I could bank this one in. Guys. I
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know this might sound crazy. I think if he doesn't
make that shot, they don't win. Mhm. I recognize there
are folks that they get annoyed by even the mere
mention of momentum in sports. No, but and I get it.
I respect folks. You know, if if you're you know,
a numbers person, it exists for me, It exists for me.
I think that that absolutely, you know, pushed him with
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the numbers only go so far, and you have to
actually count in like the the psychological energy and like
like sort of intangible quality of winning. That just kind
of that's why we watched sports, because if it was
overly logical, there wouldn't be any excitement. How much was
that shot worth? That was worth really far? Okay it
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was far far one from all right. I don't think
you're Bari knows that squad was a far pointer. Do
you want me to tell them where it wasn't wrong?
When Jack go on mute room did mute that? I'm sorry,
But yeah, we like to do far shots a lot,
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you know, we like teams that do far shots. I
think it feels like a new way of playing. It
did feel like Jordan Pool shut up all those text
changes that were like here come the Celtics and then
you know, talking about our time talking about miles here. Yeah,
we haven't acknowledged that, but my so Miles, we have
the three of us have a text thread and Jabari
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is the one who always opens it up. And this
was the first time that Myles was like the Celtics No,
I said, Doubs are shoot shook because if again, like
we're talking about when we talk about what makes the
Celtics feel so like, there's another level. It's because they're
also like messing with your your head when you're playing
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against it, because you almost like lose your belief in yourself.
So to see them begging, they're trying to beg to
get a shot off, you know, some kind of offense going,
I was like, oh my god, they've psychologically capitulated. But
to that end, like yeah, it was it. Then they
kind of found it within themselves to kind of keep
climbing back and that's why, Yeah, I think that that
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Pool three does help really punctuate the thing, like it
put the lid back on it, saying that that that
that that not okay, we'll let you have your fun,
but the lid is back on. Who was very rude
of the Celtics. For the Celtics were being very rude
in that third quarter not letting them shoot, which is
definitely like what they want to do as a basketball team.
They're very good at it. And that text heread right
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is me saying doves are shuck. Then Jabar says this
is usually their quarter, so this is surprising to say
the least. I say, yeah, no one has heart right now,
and then I said, okay, maybe they got some and
this is I was put to bed. So I'm I'm
this is my only interaction with the game other than
a bunch of other text residents like Celtics, Oh my god,
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the Celtics. Uh. And so I I was assuming the
Celtics were up ten again, and um, it was a
real it was real back and forth. That third quarter
was um intense, Yeah, because they were really sparring like
as they were, you know, trading basket after basket. And
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again that's also what inspired Jabari to say we might
get one of those all time finishes from this one.
Not that it was down to the wire, but the
winners found their winning spirit and you know, got the
job done and had more points and put the ball
in the basket. Wiggins, we gotta talk Wiggins. For a
number of reasons. That Pool three was off a Wiggins
rebound twenty nine rebounds in games four and five, Like
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it was just like he was like, oh, okay, you
want me to rebound, all right, I will be a
dominant rebounder. Like he's got twenty nine boards, like you said,
and those are rebounds that feel like he is taking
them from what would have been like offensive boards or
you know, taking them from the Celtics, like he really
is coming in, flying in from out of nowhere and
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just grabbing the ball with extreme prejudice. One of the
things that I over the course of of of hosting
Finals File, one of the things that I've really appreciated
is I now kind of watched the you know, watch
the game a little bit differently than I did before
in that I yes, I'm I I love watching the
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you know, like the main guys. I love you know
that when Tatum's going off, you know, which obviously hasn't
necessarily been in this series, but but when he does,
it's fantastic. I love watching Steph do hisnam like I like,
like I mentioned, I agree with you, Jack, you know,
Game four is you know, was absolutely a performance for
the Ages, but it is the in between guys and
and I'm hesitant to call him the other guys or
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like or you know, sound dismissive in any way. But
the guys like Andrew Wiggins, the guys like Kevon Looney,
you know, like it on the flip side obviously, you know,
the Horfors, the Marcus Smarts more often than not. I
genuinely believe that those are the different makers in a series,
you know, like like whether it's in punctuation, like you know,
like a final shot at the buzzer, or those those
specific you know, winning time plays like grabbing, snatching rebounds,
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you know, from off the top of the backboard, or
you know, in the middle of traffic, or you know,
like you know, as you mentioned um Miles, how not
only you know, not only does you know Wiggins grab
that one board, but he's the one that also finds
an open Jordan pool for that long shot. Again, like,
I genuinely believe that, like if the Doubs end up
winning this, you know, we can look back at all
of those types of contributions really quick, real quick. I
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just have to put out a theory I have here,
a right you you name dropped the other guys and
winning time. Do you have a deal with Adam McKay.
Are you doing, Yeah, listen, I don't have one, but
I'm as you guys know so much sense. I'm a
speaking to speaking into existence type person. And if a
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Adam baby listen, if you need somebody for these next
couple of series, the next couple of seasons, I'm and
tell me about how like you've gotten really close with
a big shot Bob Robert Rory. Then now you feel
like you said step brothers. Hey, you know, and I
mean I get it. Man. Cozy enough to basketball players
is a vice of yours. But you know, I know
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how they used to talk about you when you were
playing in high school. They called you the big short.
They did call me the big short. Actually yeah, and
when you went up to dunk it, they said, don't
look up. All right, y'all. I that's been our time.
Thank you so much listening, mad Boost. Let's take a
(16:35):
quick break. We'll come back and talk about some of
Adam McKay is more under underrated films SNL sketch and
we're back and ye, let the idiots do their thing.
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Is I think Jabari has that written next to his computer.
I don't know what y'ally are talking about. But okay,
so we're just gonna waste everyone's time. Huh, all right,
funniest clip that we found Talladega Nights. Sorry, film a
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funniest clip we found, and Jabari just queues up a
Talladega Nights clip. Um, all right, Oh, I didn't bring
up my my clip because we're actually just talking Wiggins
and hell, he's the anchorman. See lost the thread. Um
gotta just there was this dunk. Uh, just my man
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Andrew Wiggins, this is in the end of the fourth
quarter about to left, just brings it up the court
and just finishes. Golden stake Clay, he's bringing us up.
He's on smart defensive Player of the Year for Mr White.
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You almost blew his head band off and that put
him up fifteen with two minutes ago. And that was
the first time I felt like the Warriors lead was safe.
Um yeah, and yeah exactly because I think also the
manner of it, like you could even tell from the
Celtics after that, they're just like, oh, that was We're
not playing defense anymore. I guess that was mathematically correct
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that it shouldn't have felt safe because they did come
back from twelve, so they made up ten points in
uh in two minutes at the beginning of the third.
So yeah, I mean, I'm still very impressed with the
Celtics defense for the most part, but wiggins defense on
Tatum has been just wild. And again this is this
is the stuff. Like one of our reasons for doing
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this podcast is like a lot of the coverage will
talk about things like it's a done deal and we
know because they added this player that like they are
a top three team, And first of all, like for
anybody in the NBA media to be acting like anything
as a done deal when like the the people like
they've been picking the nets in the Lakers for the
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past like two seasons. But also just like I don't know,
like with nobody had Wiggins even like heading into the playoffs,
nobody thought Wiggins was going to be like the second
best player on the Warriors in the finals. But man,
he is bawling on both ends of the court. He
has like turned into a dominant rebounder. And he was
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like hitting some shots that made me stand up last night,
Like he was really hitting some like hard shots. Tatum
had four air balls the second half of Game five. Yeah,
when three of those were because Andrew Wiggins was on him,
and I think that was that was Game one too
where or yeah, it wasn't it when we first saw like,
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oh wow, Andrew Wiggins can cause problems because game won
the Celtics one, despite the fact that Tatum had an
off night. Yeah, And I'm not gonna lie to you.
I just appreciate. I appreciate stories like that, you know,
like you know, much like you guys, I don't necessarily
love all the hot takes. I don't necessarily know they're
not for me. I recognize that your thing, that's you know,
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that's fine. But one of the things, you know, I
would even acknowledge is I didn't see this type of
you know, like you know, mid career, you know, arc
for your for Wiggans, especially after he came out, and
you know, it was I won't even say disappointed. It
simply didn't land the way that you know, a lot
of us anticipated. But honestly, it's a testament to him,
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it's a testament to his professionalism. Um. But also sometimes
it would point out sometimes you just need to be
in the right situation. Now. Of course, it's of course
it's a lot easier to play with you know future
Hall of Famers and you know, and look good, but
not everybody you know will take advantage of the opportunity
in the way that he has. So it's it's really
it's really been great to see. Has anybody done the
story about like, did he just decide to get a
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lot stronger um because he looks it doesn't it doesn't
seem like all of a sudden he has like a
different body, and it's probably just like I'm remembering him
from when he was younger and playing with the wolves,
but like, all of a sudden, he seems like a
big man, Like he's like just banging around in there
and really filled out. It's clearly worked on his body,
like like jokes aside, he has clearly worked on that
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body and and it and it shows, you know, whether
that's a testament to the conditioning team up there or
I think what Jack is trying to fit discern is
whether or not that's him going to the gym or
he just decided that if he was just like did
somebody make him angry? And he was like, oh, there's
this thing I say about when people make me angry
and whether or not they're gonna like me, and Uh,
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it's not they're not going to and then he got
like instead of five times as big, like stronger, it's
just a good It looks sounds like it looks like
the Warriors are a good place to be, you know,
if you're a young developing player, because you have generous,
like you're saying, future Hall of famers who are from
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from my perspective, seemed quite generous and willing to work
with these younger players and like give them the space
to develop and also you know, uh, transmit their wisdom
to them too. And yeah, it feels like just like
you're saying, it's a good probably the best situation for
him specifically, right, my four year old is rooting for
the Celtics. So we are a household divided because his
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favorite color is green. Um so do it? So where
is he going to live? But also, funny moment, there
was a there was a nice moment in the pregame
press conferences Steph Curry hearing Marcus Thompson of the athletics
phone going off in the middle of it, and it
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was just it was like, like, well, none of those
nice moments between athletes and journalists. And this clip takes
place over what between Game three and Game four? Right,
the first one before game three where he goes off,
the phone goes off, and Steph remembers from the Game
four press conference as well. So, Marcus Thompson, unbelievable what
I'm calling you. It's like when you're in church and
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like the past is giving a sermon and you over
there with your phone. I like to begin by repenting
for my first conference. Thence steps very generous, like, I
don't know why this keeps going off. It's my daughter.
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She needs to stop. It is Marcus Thompson. Different game stuff.
You've been driving a lot, got him called back. Repeat
what you're saying, got him great moment. Good job, good job,
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good job, good job stuff. I hope you're happy. Wow, Steph,
you embarrassed me. We're just trying to do not being
able to take it at all. You know, my daughter
was actually locked out of the house and it was raining. Okay, Wow, Stef,
you want to take that again? You want to? I
would have played it. That's how I don't really lifted
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on him. I get I get it, I get it. Yeah. Well,
one of the great superstars any history. Just everything, great love, love.
The addition of like, all right, so I'm gonna be
putting up forty three in the finals game, but I'm
gonna like look really nice while I'm doing it. Like
I'm gonna like be smiling and just seem like a
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nice person while I'm doing it. That's kind of cool. Yeah,
I don't know, I think it's kind of neat. That's
my that's my take. I gotta be honest with you.
What what I love most about Steff, and I'm not
taking anything away from you know, prior or past superstars,
is that he's kind of a psychle on the court,
but also one of the nicest guys off the court,
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like a Miles's point, you know, he's he's giving, like
in those situations and you know, yeah, you don't necessarily people. Yeah, well,
I think also too, just like I think just being
in comedy, you're you're really aware when people are generous
with their laughter, because that's like a really big part
of like having a good exchange with somebody. Like there
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are people who don't laugh at all that stuff, and
you're like, whoa that stingey with your laughter, But there's
like a generosity to it that I'm like, see because
by doing that you're extending m hmm, yeah, especially growing
up being one of the best basketball players in the world. Like,
I feel like you're instincts could go in the direction
of being like dismissing something like where you have to
(25:44):
have the last one and like you're trying to one
up everyone all the time, because that's just how the
dynamic can be because you're gravitationally, you know, a neutron
star in every room that you've been in your whole life.
And for him to just be nice, um, yeah, it's
pretty cool. Shall we uh do some little rapid fire questions.
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I think we should do some big rapid fire questions.
This is a segment that was invented by Jabari, but
we haven't seen how he holds up under the rapid
fire of their questioning gun. Yeah, okay, let's start. Hold on,
let me do that. Whoa wow, hold on think Hey,
(26:30):
that's my line take him away toys. You know, honestly,
I actually apologize for that because normally I'm muted in
this That is where I'm saying, you gave me a
moment to be Chief Wigham there, so I appreciate that.
Start the claw Miles has pissed Jabari Jabari. You can
(26:51):
have any three throwback jerseys. Which three are you choosing?
All right, I gotta go old school. But if he
was just totally stumped, yeah, right off the bat. No,
I don't know what that means. I want an old,
(27:11):
old school nine eight seven Lakers jersey. Okay, big l
whether it's a magic you know, Kareem big game, Michael Cooper?
All right, you know what, let me get Michael Cooper. Okay,
you know defensive player Michael Cooper. Yea, sir uh Okay.
(27:32):
The abdual Jabbar version of this very jersey to my
second grade career day plus you should have because I
wanted to be a Kareem abdul Jabbar when I grew up,
in to a large extent, the Airplane actor, the guy
from Airplane. Yeah, he actually played a little ball pretty good. Okay. Nice.
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He's a great author too, there shoulders. Yeah, okay, so
that's one eighty eight nuggets. Do you guys remember the
old and I wanted to be a fat leaver jersey,
like the blue with the you know, with the you
know you with with the logo underneath. Yeah, yeah, you
want one of those? Okay, And honestly, just because as
a kid, I should like love the fact that his
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nickname was fat, Like I was like Fat leaver Man.
That's just amazing. And then idiot Nuggets is rainbow stripe horizontal? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it looks like it's got a little of that eighties logo,
like eighties um design kind of vibes. Yeah, because it
looks like it's like an eight bit like computer. It's
(28:39):
like super block. The city looks like it could be
going by in the background on like you know a
video game, like a driving game that you're playing that
is like very low five right exactly, it's like going
by the Rainbow City. Okay, that's too. Brack is jogging
by it on the training thing from Tyson punch Out. Alright, fantastic, alright,
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world go on, but I'm with you. Oh four black
kg Oh yeah that that that that black Tea Wolves
jersey back in the day for any black jersey. M okay, yeah,
that one was pretty That one was pretty hard, as
we say in the West Coast. And to be clear,
it is specifically because Wesley Snipe told me to always
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been on black there. Yeah, tree words, Drew words, Okay,
that wasn't quite rapid, but we still let's stay on pace.
The clock is still ticking. Can barely keep my dang
hat on. This thing's so quick, al right. The question
that I feel like it's gonna stump you ice Cube Jabari,
as you may know, has the Big Three. Tracy McGrady
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has recently introduced his one's Basketball league. Is that one
on one we're just fact check, consult with my producer
real quick. Is that one on one, one on one league?
That's the guests to hold on it's one on one back.
So what would your alternative basketball idea consists of? I
want the dunk contest, but I want somebody underneath trying
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to block it. I'll line them up. Rudy Gobert, you
say that you could shut check down, get get underneath
the rim. We we we saw it like an NHL
hockey shootout. Yes, basically that where it's like, all right,
you got the ball, there's the rim, what's good what
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you got and none of these like five and six
and seven attempts, you get one try if you miss
your out next up. So basically we get mixed with
the dunk contest mixed with knockout that's what I would like.
Oh wow, I like that because, yeah, we see a
lot of the game of basketball being played, but what
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about all the other ways we play basketball, like as
kids and younger people like shock out one uh, lower
the hoop to eight feet two one three on two
fast break drills from practice. That's like instant torture drama.
Um yeah, I like, especially especially if your coach as
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you continuing to be in the drill, like none of
us saying hey, you gotta learn uh, next up, the
clock is still taking. You're on a game show Jabari
with one million dollars on the line, and you can
call anyone to help you answer an MBA trivia question.
Who are you calling besides yourself? Because if this was me,
I would be calling you. But who would you call?
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That's who do the Ghostbusters called besides the two of you.
Let's see, don't come wow, you know what you got jokes? Now,
this is this is kind of cheating. But Robert Keith
Ory should introduce you to my good friend Robert or um, yeah,
oh you know him, you introduced. He's kind of the
reason we met. Oh that's nice. Yeah, he's a good guy.
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He too would get along. Why is he just it's
it's everything encyclopedic with him or what he's pretty I
mean he for what however he did it. I don't
know whether he really researched or you know, he just
knew it. But each final series that we went through,
it pretty much was you know, he was breaking down
the second quarter of the game, blah blah blah, and
I'm just like, oh, let me go to my notes,
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let me go to YouTube. That's one of my favorite,
like the this happens with movies to where you like
find out that an actor or a director like watches
every movie knows every like piece of like you know,
fans service the information about it and like that. That
just add something like he, I don't know, there's a
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there's a genius there. He must know. He must have
figured something out because, like we said, his ability to
be in the exact right spot at the exact right
time and know exactly what was about to happen before
anybody else, Uh, you know, it takes a lot of
lass study. Alright, Bari go to arena or a ballpark, meal,
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flash snack. I'm I'm pretty trash, so it's always gonna
be nachos whatever, the biggest nachos. You know, it's the
cheesier the better them. Give me some chicken on them,
you know. Yeah that's fine too, you know, pulled pork.
You know. Hey, we're in business. Oh so you get
you get those big nachos at Staples. Absolutely, I'm sorry.
(33:25):
Blank dot com arena m hm soon soon to be
nameless arena. What do they serve them in? Because I
know Dodger Stadium serves them in a batting helmet. It's
it's just in't a big plastic right, So they don't
like give you shocks shoe or something full of nana. Yeah,
that's a lot of nacho. It's about the amount of
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nachos because they're intimidating. When you see people walking around
the arena like that in the crypto dot com Arena
or whatever we call it. Um, I'm always like, I
always see it. I'm like, I could never finish that.
I go with the Roseby sandwich. Not mad at that.
What about you, Jack? Hold on, we'll ask the questions here,
but yeah, how about you Jack? If you guys had
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hot dogs? Okay, my favorite my favorite meat is hot dog.
What's your favorite animal? Hot dog. I like their bones,
um Jabari, what's the best basketball movie ever? You know,
people get on these types of shows and lie all
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the time and mentioned things like Hoosiers or mentioned things
like no, the answer is white Man can't jump. Anybody
that has anything else to say otherwise, you know, you
know that's fine, because let's be real, it's just my
trash opinion. But White Man is still the one that
It's still the one that I watched more often than that.
I like that you are not only claiming that that
is the best past Well movie ever, like with with Authority,
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which I don't I happen to. You know, I think
that's probably in the right. You're also claiming that anybody
who says it's not as lying is knowingly lie. Yeah,
that's what they're doing. That is exactly what they're doing.
It's called jack glory. Come on now, Coach Carter was cool.
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I'd rather watch Sunset Parked in a lot of the
ones that I mean, Sunset Park What time is that
I'm gonna get live? How to represent the um basketball?
Mount Rushmore and you get to name a coach as well?
How many faces on Rushmore? Four faces? We're gonna do
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four players and then um, a coach is the statue
of liberty standing next to them, uh, for the for
this hypothetical scenario. So I'll just be straight up, there's
no way to narrow it down the four. So I'm
just gonna go with my four favorite players of all time.
That's the best magic Johnson Seaquille O'Neal, Charles Barkley m hm.
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And it's so tough to leave the h If I
leave one of them off, give me Kobe, okay, And
I want I want them. I don't want them coach
by Phil, I want them coach by Ryles. You are doing,
you are doing, we are we We already wrapped up
the series early, doesn't matter. Three hour practices, let's go. Yeah, okay,
So I noticed you left Fat Lever off. Sorry Fat, Yeah,
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I'm sorry. Okay, Well there's the one the next that's
the one that honestly, that's the one where I was like,
I can't leave kream off. But yeah, well it's about
favorite players. And I think when people hear those kinds
of questions, we don't have to treat it as if well,
whoever he doesn't name is dead, like I like, if
you're not in my FOURD You're terrible. No, like you could.
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I could probably have given you thirty of those. Yeah,
they're like songs, you know, they're they're different to every person.
All right, UM, let's take a quick break. We'll come
back to wrap this thing out and talk a little
bit about our good friend Robert dor Oh you know
Robert do Yeah, great, great guy. I love him. And
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we're back. Um. Robert Ory, friend of the podcast, was
kind enough to offer you as a guest on this
podcast and said, Wow, we would love to talk to
your cot. I'm explaining, Tavari, you have the distinct honor
to produce co host this show another fellow sister show
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on the NBA uh slate here uh Finals File with
none other than our good friend, as we said, Robert Dory,
big shot bob um, none other than um. And I
just I think one of the things when I remember
when you first told me you were even doing this,
I was like what I'm not? I was like, can't
you do Matt Boosts? And I'll do I'll talk to him,
but there couldn't be someone better to speak with Robert
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Dory because like, just like you're saying, you would call
him for trivia. We look at you as someone with
a just an unbelievable amount of NBA knowledge and context history.
So for you working with Robert Ory, like, first of all,
how do you even how does that affect how you
even view like an analyzing basketball when you're bouncing ideas
off another like a champion like our friend of Robert Ry.
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One of the things I appreciate most from him is
that he you know, he doesn't suffer fools, and he's
not going to just you know, like go along with
it simply because you know, like oh, you know we're friends. No,
he will let you know right away. No, that's a
very foolish way to look at it. That or or
or you're just giving a hot take or you know,
or stay off, you know, stay off of those debate shows.
What he has done is basically just made me look
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at it as a simple game of basketball. Is as
opposed to like trying to you know, come up you
reinvent the wheel or come up with something you know,
like you know something you know, some crazy way to
describe it. Uh, He's a very basically just you know,
back to basics. We all you know, we all you know,
pick the ball. Up at one point. You know, we
all shot it, we all ribbled, we all understand these things.
And like he and basically given the way that his
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career with I think that actually plays into it. It's
not that he's like, oh, well, like don't pay attention
to the main guys, but he really really likes to
pay attention to the other guys on the court, or
the guys in particular that well, you know, can come
off the bench in a moment, you know, like you know,
like a game five of two thousand five and you
know put up twenty one second half points, you know,
second half and overtime points, right, just more of an
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appreciation for detail. Do you want to tell people, like
what the what's the premise of the show. It's that
each episode you're covering a different finals. So every each
week we cover the finals, we give you to two
episodes per uh per per series. Uh. And it's basically
just a basketball nerd, you know. And and I you know,
like I say it, honestly, that's what I am. I'm
a guy that came up watching the game. And coincidentally,
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this is a coincidence, Robert Orry was one of my
favorite players as well, Like because I always had an
appreciation for a guy that can do the things that
he did. But you know, you know, and this is
a call back to when you had Robert Ory on
the on the show, just like it was no big deal.
Like it was just no big deal, you know, knocking
down what, you know, some of the greatest shots in
finals history, like it was nothing. Um but yeah, but
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the premises, we we break down a series each week, uh,
you know, diving into diving into the matchup beforehand, then
breaking down each game. Uh. We have a you know
finals file awards where Robert you know, Robert Ory will
give his breakdown of the awards. Sometimes he goes with
who won the m v P or the the general awards.
(40:34):
Sometimes he says, what nope, that was a total mistake,
and you know it throws out a surprise. But it
has been a It truly has been a fun experience
because you know, like I said, if there's anybody that
you're gonna talk about the NBA Finals with that's not
named Michael Jordan's Honestly, Robert Ory is not a bad
you know, not a bad second out. Yeah, got some
good cameos, Like he's all over the place, It's like
(40:55):
Forrest Gump of the Finals, what's the what's the best
thing you learned that you're allowed to talk about from
Because they've been a couple of things we've talked about
off Mike that we're very compelling. Also, you know, maybe
not things that we're talking about on Mike, um, but
hit us with the best thing. The best thing is
(41:17):
that knowing just how deep the eighties rivalry hatred you
know still runs, Big Game James was kind enough to
join us for to break down the series. Obviously it's
Lakers versus Celtics. The Lakers, you know, work up, you know,
by significant amounts in the first four games, ended up
you know, dropping two of those games, and you know
(41:37):
in somewhat tragic fashion. Uh, and then I will ultimately
end up losing that series. But Big Game James, you know,
he comes on with us. You know, I'm asking him,
you know, the generic questions, and I finally thought about it.
I was like, so, you know, basically what happened on
that play where you push Cedric you know, Cedric Maxwell
into the stands and I'm thinking he's gonna give a
generic answer like the you know, media frame the answer,
(41:59):
and he just he just lets it. Let you know,
he lets it be known that not only does he
still hate the Celtics, but any of them can still
get it. Uh we we we ended up having the
cutting room floor some of some of the conversation, but
just knowing like like, how seriously and obviously he's not
truly you know, wanting to fight, you know, but that
that competitive exactly, you know how true their competitive nature is.
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And of the you know finals that you've covered so far,
is there a favorite series that you've talked about or
is there one that you wish you could talk about.
I'll give you both of those. So two thousand was
my favorite one specifically because I came of age obviously
watching that team up Pilson personal. I went to Game
two of those finals. Um, yeah who play? Who won
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that one? It was the Lakers and you know the Pacers, Um,
you know, you see Jafar and I'd be like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
I think it's gonna be the Pistons exactly. And then
don't get me wrong that I could have given you
another one because was also absolute be fantastic. I had
actually forgotten how great of a series that was. It's
a series where you've got prime Jordan, Prime Barkley, you know,
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hall of famers all over the court. You get a
triple overtime game in there, you get a showdown game
where both guys go over forty points. It was that
was fantastic. But if my if I'm answering, honestly, it's
two thousand again because like I said, I witnessed it
up close and personal. But to be able to get
you know, actual insight from someone that you know played
in the series, yeah, you know, you know, had you
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made a couple of you know, significant shots, especially in
the Western Conference finals. You know, in Game seven of
those Western Conference Finals, that was my favorite one, the
one that I wish that we had been able to
do and that I hope ultimately we are able to do.
It was a two thousand one series, and you guys
know why m hmm two thousand one. Now I'm not familiar,
but okay, um, don't remember that team? I mean anyway, wait,
(43:59):
know its a sixers, Um so who who the oh
the seventies six ers? That's that's two thousand one doesn't
ring a bellas a year. So whether whether or not
you covered it, you want to cover it. You've talked
a lot about your appreciation for the other guys who
are anchorman for their team and make people say don't
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look up because they're right down here on the court. Um,
is there a underrated performance in in the finals, whether
it's one that you've covered or not that like you
just feel like people have slept on. Like I think
of Jimmy Butler and the Bubble. Some of his games
were absolutely next level, like Herculean. I think people remember
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like how tired he was by the end, but like
that was noteworthy because what he was doing on the
court was absurd. But like, who are some of your
underrated performances that you think people should talk more about.
I'm gonna lead in with one that seems like I'm
being funny, but I'm not. Austin Crozier in the two
thousand finals was absolutely spectacular. Thank you. I right, somebody
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needed to say it, and I'm happy to be the one. No,
Austin Crowzer really was fantastic and end up you know,
getting paid as a result of it in those two
thousand finals. But uh, um, the microwave so obviously, you know,
like I was a kid in I watched the series,
but I didn't have it under a true understanding for
(45:23):
what I was watching. H the microwave. Vinnie Johnson was
absolutely fantastic in that series. Um, But what what also
leads me to I had no idea that Bill Lambier
could could shoot it so well from deep because, to
be honest with you, I always just saw him as
a bruiser. In one game of those finals, he makes
either six or eight threes, like like he he was
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going off. It was actually one of the games that
they know that the only game that they lost in
the series. But yeah, no, um, I love you know
your standout performances. Again, of course we know Jordan was
in uble in ninety three and we can go, you
know with the bigger guys. But that's why I let
in with awesome Crozier, because you know what, sometimes the
other guys need that love, not to men. Robert Ory
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played that entire series after Game one with a hairline
fractury in his back. What oh man, what a time,
what a time back in those days? All right? And
last last question, am I am I wrong in thinking
like this is unique? I probably am. I think we
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tend to remember the finals based on like who want
it right, and so like we might miss out on
some amazing performances by the team that didn't end up
pulling it through. But like, do you feel like this
year's Finals is unique in the sense that like the
Celtics are like it had. Do you have another example
of a team where like the team that is winning
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the series doesn't seem like they have the highest high
point you know what I mean? Yeah, you know, that's
a tough one. It's a really good question that, Um,
it's tough. For whatever reason, twenty eleven still stands out
to me in that and that's not and that's not
taking anything away from that Maverick squad because they were
you know, they were fantastic when they needed to be.
But you know, given the way that those fourth quarters
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went for Lebron obviously, you know I would usually hesitate
to bring that up, but hey, I feel like he's
made up for that, you know, since then. But given
the way that he's had a pretty good run. Yeah right, yeah,
you heard, you heard of him. Yeah yeah, But there
were those flashes in that series of like what Miami
was about to do exactly, and for whatever reason they were,
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they weren't able to put it together enough and you know,
end up losing that series, even though you know on
paper you definitely definitely would have all gone into that
series saying like, Okay, they're expected to win it, right well, Jabari,
such a pleasure having you on, uh your own show. Uh,
Miles and Jacko, thank you for coming on the Friends
(48:00):
of Robert Ry podcast. Thank you for having me, guys,
I really do appreciate it. All right. So by the
time you listen to this game six might be in
the books, the season might be in the books. Next
week's episode, we will know who won, and uh we'll
have more on that, then more Adam McKay plug, more
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cramming in things about how shots were from so far.
We will be back next week, so we'll talk to
you then and keep your eyes trained on the final
Bye bye
The NBA Finals continue to deliver elevated heartbeats and getting
us out of our seats with every game and where
talk about it all not but I you know, got
the momentum out. I'm like, I'm about to spin a bar,
but I can't get very far. But don't worry about that,
because we have a very special guest co host up
(00:22):
the NBA Finals file and producer of some show called
Miles and Jackot Matt Boostie's Jabari Davis. I'm Miles Gray
and I'm Jack O'Brien and this is Miles and Jack
got boost heer Berg con Jabari's face as we're doing
(00:45):
that intro when he realizes that this is what he
has chosen to do for a living, is to be
involved with two clowns. I do always like to look
at the guests face while we're doing that. It's like
the a k. S on our show Daily Zeitgeist, where
you're fun to be like, oh wait, what what is happening?
Why am I here? But it's also fun to watch
(01:07):
the producer's face because they are also tied to this.
People are either instantly panicked or immediately get that as
a joke, and it's it's either or, and I love
that about the Jabari. How you feeling about the finals?
We got what we just had game five as of
this recording, game six coming up. When you hear this
to day Thursday, Um, let's see. So we gotta cover three,
(01:31):
four and five basically since our last episode three four
or five? Yeah, why was six afraid of five? Because
three four five doesn't work for them? Series of numbers?
More five? There it is. I don't think we're going
to a Game eight, but I do think we might
be going to a Game seven. That would be predict
(01:51):
I think, yeah. I feel like off the strength of
these last three games, it feels like that is very,
very possible. So the Celtics in six, first theory that
you had, when did that change became impossible? That changed
with about three minutes left to go in the game.
I continue to be all right, So I don't think
I'm alone in this. I continue to feel like when
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the Celtics are at their high point, it's better than
any team I've seen in the NBA. This whole season
is like that because of how dominant they are on
defense and how much they're flowing on offense. Like I'm
in various NBA text threads, and like most of them
were only lit up when the Celtics went from down
(02:36):
twelve at the half too down two within like it
was literally less than two minutes. Like, so I don't
know that is still my big takeaway is every time
they lose, I'm just a little bit confused, Like I'm
glad I do not that because man, like they just
looked so good when they have it go. Yeah. I
(02:59):
came into the series is thinking that like, if both
teams were at their best, that the Warriors probably you know,
like he had the edge. But you know, of course,
anytime you know you have not necessarily two completely opposing teams,
but two teams with you know, somewhat different styles, obviously,
whoever is able to you know, impose their will more
and you know whatever, let's see if we can if
I can work in eight or nine more um uh
(03:23):
generic genericastems related to the NBA. But honestly, you know,
I felt like, you know, the team that imposed their
will was going to be the one that you know,
came out victorious. But also yeah, that too, when you know,
like stop turning the ball over again. You know we're
but what I but I actually agree with you, jack Um.
(03:44):
When we've seen both of their best, it still feels
like the Celtics are the better team. Yeah, Like because
like you were saying right like in your text, like,
I guess we'll talk about you know, that third quarter
in Game five, which typically has been the Warriors quarter
in this series, when you said you're getting texts of
people like whoa Celtics. I feel like that's how the
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Warriors felt to like playing against it, Like they were
like WHOA what they can we get one shot off? Please? Maybe?
And it felt like then they were like just resorting
to try and shoot their way out of it to
no avail. And I was like, this is not a
This is not a good situation for the Warriors if
they can't figure it out. Yeah, Steph didn't have it
going from deep, but yeah, I mean overall impressions from
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Games three through five, you know, Game three Celtics one.
Obviously Jalen Brown seven teen points in the first quarter.
I don't know, man, like they just they look really
really good when when they got it going. But I
think my my big takeaway or like my you know,
what's dope? Or did you see that or whatever? We
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we have, uh decided to call that was Steph going
for forty three. But even even that, I remember Jack
and Gundhi being like what he is doing right now
is like carrying a team, you know, like you can
talk about the Splash Brothers and all that stuff, but
like this team has some major flaws and Steph is
(05:09):
like really carrying them the way Lebron carried some of
those Cleveland teams. And that felt right to me, Like
it feels like the Celtics and they still might win
the series, but not in six, which is a tragedy
because I really wanted to be right. I'll say this
about that game from staff, It's not fair. And when
(05:29):
I say it's not fair, and I'm talking about like
the general narrative when it comes to you know, his
his career, you know where it's oh he's never had that,
you know, that pivotal series or that incredible moment or game. Well,
we got that, you know in Boston Garden On, you know,
obviously on the road in a pivotal situation where you know,
if they go down three one, I'm not saying I'm
(05:49):
not saying it's over because obviously you know they were
involved in a final series where you know, obviously it
was not over, you know, at three one, but I
I will honestly say, I think I think it's done
in five if they had lost that game. So you know,
he he met the moment was absolutely incredible and to
your point, was absolutely you know, not just carrying but
very clearly covering for you know, significant holes that honestly
(06:12):
I didn't that I didn't necessarily anticipate heading into the series. Yeah,
it's I mean, I think, yeah, game four depends if though,
if the Warriors end up winning this series. I feel
like we're gonna look at game four as the absolute
turning point because, like you're saying, that's the three Like
three one, that's a difficult situation to be in. He
found an extra gear to prevent that, and then they
(06:34):
go on to win Game five, and then that's the
first time the Celtics I believe, have lost back to
back in the playoffs this year. So they're also a
new territory to where they're like, look, we can go
back and forth with you to a certain point, but this,
you know, coming off think back to the the game four
and five, you're like, well, now it's a little different,
but all that to say, I don't I feel like
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the Celtics will find it within themselves to to avoid
going out in six. You think that when we look
back at that game four and we're looking at the
performance of Steph Curry, like, so one of the things
that's gonna strike us as like how far he was
shooting from, Like he was really shooting from very far,
(07:15):
like the three point line. You get three points because
it's like far away from the basket. But then like
some of those was like even you know, really really far,
like really far from the basket. Those are like some
pretty far ones. I would say, yeah, that's what I
was thinking, Like I was, I was trying to say that,
but I don't think I put it as well as you.
And those shots are far too Gary, Sayton pops it away,
(07:39):
Sayton the elite defender off the bench. Curry steps back three,
Potter step cry first three three. Sorry not a long
distance shot that Steph Curry long distance Three's at a
five point lady for the Warriors. And speaking of far,
(08:01):
it's interesting he wasn't the only one that you know,
was shooting it from far. Yeah, that's a really good point.
Game five. Jordan Pool got in on the action, Jordan
Pool buzzer beaters, Like, is it the same with you
guys that the first thing you remember hearing his name
is when he was a freshman at Michigan hitting that
(08:21):
buzzer beater to keep them alive in the second round.
Do you remember that? I didn't know. Actually, nah, so
I was ignorant. Yeah he was. I think he was
a freshman. I remember he was like the most notable
prior to that, other than like being a pretty good shooter,
most notable for having the shortest shorts in the n
C Double A tournament. And he hit a go ahead
(08:44):
buzzer beater I think for Michigan a year that they
made a deep run. Yeah, I'm trying to I'm trying
to find a tweet, but I'll just paraphrase it. I'm
I don't know if you guys saw it. Somebody said,
Jordan Pool, please, Like it's the students versus fact game
in in in the finals, and he plays with that
type of confidence And that's not a knock, that's not it.
(09:05):
That's not a dism any way. But he plays with
that type of confidence out there and it's it's kind
of amazing. Yeah, it does feel it's so self assured
that you almost can't believe it. Because even when he
took this shot, I was like, yeah, he might make that,
and he didn't. I was like, oh okay, so uh
students faculty, I get that joke, but he did. Which
team is he on? He when they when people say
(09:26):
he looks like he's student faculty, like he's on the
student side, and he's just like breaking old people's ankles
type thing. Basically, either either that or that faculty member
that actually that actually hoot, that's just haunted to destroy lives,
right right right. He's like, I don't think of making
fun of my sneakers earlier. Awesome, I got something for
you wing tips. Yeah yeah, yeah, put these pro wings on.
(09:48):
See what you got then? But yeah it should We
just play that clip of the that third quarter buzzer
beater off of rebound wagons, got three seconds, You got
a shottle? What gets the polo gets it all the time? Thanks.
It was the bank. I think the confidence. He was
just like I could bank this one in. Guys. I
(10:08):
know this might sound crazy. I think if he doesn't
make that shot, they don't win. Mhm. I recognize there
are folks that they get annoyed by even the mere
mention of momentum in sports. No, but and I get it.
I respect folks. You know, if if you're you know,
a numbers person, it exists for me, It exists for me.
I think that that absolutely, you know, pushed him with
(10:30):
the numbers only go so far, and you have to
actually count in like the the psychological energy and like
like sort of intangible quality of winning. That just kind
of that's why we watched sports, because if it was
overly logical, there wouldn't be any excitement. How much was
that shot worth? That was worth really far? Okay it
(10:51):
was far far one from all right. I don't think
you're Bari knows that squad was a far pointer. Do
you want me to tell them where it wasn't wrong?
When Jack go on mute room did mute that? I'm sorry,
But yeah, we like to do far shots a lot,
(11:12):
you know, we like teams that do far shots. I
think it feels like a new way of playing. It
did feel like Jordan Pool shut up all those text
changes that were like here come the Celtics and then
you know, talking about our time talking about miles here. Yeah,
we haven't acknowledged that, but my so Miles, we have
the three of us have a text thread and Jabari
(11:33):
is the one who always opens it up. And this
was the first time that Myles was like the Celtics No,
I said, Doubs are shoot shook because if again, like
we're talking about when we talk about what makes the
Celtics feel so like, there's another level. It's because they're
also like messing with your your head when you're playing
(11:55):
against it, because you almost like lose your belief in yourself.
So to see them begging, they're trying to beg to
get a shot off, you know, some kind of offense going,
I was like, oh my god, they've psychologically capitulated. But
to that end, like yeah, it was it. Then they
kind of found it within themselves to kind of keep
climbing back and that's why, Yeah, I think that that
(12:16):
Pool three does help really punctuate the thing, like it
put the lid back on it, saying that that that
that that not okay, we'll let you have your fun,
but the lid is back on. Who was very rude
of the Celtics. For the Celtics were being very rude
in that third quarter not letting them shoot, which is
definitely like what they want to do as a basketball team.
They're very good at it. And that text heread right
(12:37):
is me saying doves are shuck. Then Jabar says this
is usually their quarter, so this is surprising to say
the least. I say, yeah, no one has heart right now,
and then I said, okay, maybe they got some and
this is I was put to bed. So I'm I'm
this is my only interaction with the game other than
a bunch of other text residents like Celtics, Oh my god,
(12:58):
the Celtics. Uh. And so I I was assuming the
Celtics were up ten again, and um, it was a
real it was real back and forth. That third quarter
was um intense, Yeah, because they were really sparring like
as they were, you know, trading basket after basket. And
(13:19):
again that's also what inspired Jabari to say we might
get one of those all time finishes from this one.
Not that it was down to the wire, but the
winners found their winning spirit and you know, got the
job done and had more points and put the ball
in the basket. Wiggins, we gotta talk Wiggins. For a
number of reasons. That Pool three was off a Wiggins
rebound twenty nine rebounds in games four and five, Like
(13:42):
it was just like he was like, oh, okay, you
want me to rebound, all right, I will be a
dominant rebounder. Like he's got twenty nine boards, like you said,
and those are rebounds that feel like he is taking
them from what would have been like offensive boards or
you know, taking them from the Celtics, like he really
is coming in, flying in from out of nowhere and
(14:04):
just grabbing the ball with extreme prejudice. One of the
things that I over the course of of of hosting
Finals File, one of the things that I've really appreciated
is I now kind of watched the you know, watch
the game a little bit differently than I did before
in that I yes, I'm I I love watching the
(14:26):
you know, like the main guys. I love you know
that when Tatum's going off, you know, which obviously hasn't
necessarily been in this series, but but when he does,
it's fantastic. I love watching Steph do hisnam like I like,
like I mentioned, I agree with you, Jack, you know,
Game four is you know, was absolutely a performance for
the Ages, but it is the in between guys and
and I'm hesitant to call him the other guys or
(14:47):
like or you know, sound dismissive in any way. But
the guys like Andrew Wiggins, the guys like Kevon Looney,
you know, like it on the flip side obviously, you know,
the Horfors, the Marcus Smarts more often than not. I
genuinely believe that those are the different makers in a series,
you know, like like whether it's in punctuation, like you know,
like a final shot at the buzzer, or those those
specific you know, winning time plays like grabbing, snatching rebounds,
(15:10):
you know, from off the top of the backboard, or
you know, in the middle of traffic, or you know,
like you know, as you mentioned um Miles, how not
only you know, not only does you know Wiggins grab
that one board, but he's the one that also finds
an open Jordan pool for that long shot. Again, like,
I genuinely believe that, like if the Doubs end up
winning this, you know, we can look back at all
of those types of contributions really quick, real quick. I
(15:33):
just have to put out a theory I have here,
a right you you name dropped the other guys and
winning time. Do you have a deal with Adam McKay.
Are you doing, Yeah, listen, I don't have one, but
I'm as you guys know so much sense. I'm a
speaking to speaking into existence type person. And if a
(15:54):
Adam baby listen, if you need somebody for these next
couple of series, the next couple of seasons, I'm and
tell me about how like you've gotten really close with
a big shot Bob Robert Rory. Then now you feel
like you said step brothers. Hey, you know, and I
mean I get it. Man. Cozy enough to basketball players
is a vice of yours. But you know, I know
(16:15):
how they used to talk about you when you were
playing in high school. They called you the big short.
They did call me the big short. Actually yeah, and
when you went up to dunk it, they said, don't
look up. All right, y'all. I that's been our time.
Thank you so much listening, mad Boost. Let's take a
(16:35):
quick break. We'll come back and talk about some of
Adam McKay is more under underrated films SNL sketch and
we're back and ye, let the idiots do their thing.
(16:58):
Is I think Jabari has that written next to his computer.
I don't know what y'ally are talking about. But okay,
so we're just gonna waste everyone's time. Huh, all right,
funniest clip that we found Talladega Nights. Sorry, film a
(17:20):
funniest clip we found, and Jabari just queues up a
Talladega Nights clip. Um, all right, Oh, I didn't bring
up my my clip because we're actually just talking Wiggins
and hell, he's the anchorman. See lost the thread. Um
gotta just there was this dunk. Uh, just my man
(17:43):
Andrew Wiggins, this is in the end of the fourth
quarter about to left, just brings it up the court
and just finishes. Golden stake Clay, he's bringing us up.
He's on smart defensive Player of the Year for Mr White.
(18:08):
You almost blew his head band off and that put
him up fifteen with two minutes ago. And that was
the first time I felt like the Warriors lead was safe.
Um yeah, and yeah exactly because I think also the
manner of it, like you could even tell from the
Celtics after that, they're just like, oh, that was We're
not playing defense anymore. I guess that was mathematically correct
(18:28):
that it shouldn't have felt safe because they did come
back from twelve, so they made up ten points in
uh in two minutes at the beginning of the third.
So yeah, I mean, I'm still very impressed with the
Celtics defense for the most part, but wiggins defense on
Tatum has been just wild. And again this is this
is the stuff. Like one of our reasons for doing
(18:50):
this podcast is like a lot of the coverage will
talk about things like it's a done deal and we
know because they added this player that like they are
a top three team, And first of all, like for
anybody in the NBA media to be acting like anything
as a done deal when like the the people like
they've been picking the nets in the Lakers for the
(19:10):
past like two seasons. But also just like I don't know,
like with nobody had Wiggins even like heading into the playoffs,
nobody thought Wiggins was going to be like the second
best player on the Warriors in the finals. But man,
he is bawling on both ends of the court. He
has like turned into a dominant rebounder. And he was
(19:33):
like hitting some shots that made me stand up last night,
Like he was really hitting some like hard shots. Tatum
had four air balls the second half of Game five. Yeah,
when three of those were because Andrew Wiggins was on him,
and I think that was that was Game one too
where or yeah, it wasn't it when we first saw like,
(19:54):
oh wow, Andrew Wiggins can cause problems because game won
the Celtics one, despite the fact that Tatum had an
off night. Yeah, And I'm not gonna lie to you.
I just appreciate. I appreciate stories like that, you know,
like you know, much like you guys, I don't necessarily
love all the hot takes. I don't necessarily know they're
not for me. I recognize that your thing, that's you know,
(20:14):
that's fine. But one of the things, you know, I
would even acknowledge is I didn't see this type of
you know, like you know, mid career, you know, arc
for your for Wiggans, especially after he came out, and
you know, it was I won't even say disappointed. It
simply didn't land the way that you know, a lot
of us anticipated. But honestly, it's a testament to him,
(20:34):
it's a testament to his professionalism. Um. But also sometimes
it would point out sometimes you just need to be
in the right situation. Now. Of course, it's of course
it's a lot easier to play with you know future
Hall of Famers and you know, and look good, but
not everybody you know will take advantage of the opportunity
in the way that he has. So it's it's really
it's really been great to see. Has anybody done the
story about like, did he just decide to get a
(20:55):
lot stronger um because he looks it doesn't it doesn't
seem like all of a sudden he has like a
different body, and it's probably just like I'm remembering him
from when he was younger and playing with the wolves,
but like, all of a sudden, he seems like a
big man, Like he's like just banging around in there
and really filled out. It's clearly worked on his body,
like like jokes aside, he has clearly worked on that
(21:16):
body and and it and it shows, you know, whether
that's a testament to the conditioning team up there or
I think what Jack is trying to fit discern is
whether or not that's him going to the gym or
he just decided that if he was just like did
somebody make him angry? And he was like, oh, there's
this thing I say about when people make me angry
and whether or not they're gonna like me, and Uh,
(21:37):
it's not they're not going to and then he got
like instead of five times as big, like stronger, it's
just a good It looks sounds like it looks like
the Warriors are a good place to be, you know,
if you're a young developing player, because you have generous,
like you're saying, future Hall of famers who are from
(21:59):
from my perspective, seemed quite generous and willing to work
with these younger players and like give them the space
to develop and also you know, uh, transmit their wisdom
to them too. And yeah, it feels like just like
you're saying, it's a good probably the best situation for
him specifically, right, my four year old is rooting for
the Celtics. So we are a household divided because his
(22:21):
favorite color is green. Um so do it? So where
is he going to live? But also, funny moment, there
was a there was a nice moment in the pregame
press conferences Steph Curry hearing Marcus Thompson of the athletics
phone going off in the middle of it, and it
(22:42):
was just it was like, like, well, none of those
nice moments between athletes and journalists. And this clip takes
place over what between Game three and Game four? Right,
the first one before game three where he goes off,
the phone goes off, and Steph remembers from the Game
four press conference as well. So, Marcus Thompson, unbelievable what
I'm calling you. It's like when you're in church and
(23:02):
like the past is giving a sermon and you over
there with your phone. I like to begin by repenting
for my first conference. Thence steps very generous, like, I
don't know why this keeps going off. It's my daughter.
(23:23):
She needs to stop. It is Marcus Thompson. Different game stuff.
You've been driving a lot, got him called back. Repeat
what you're saying, got him great moment. Good job, good job,
(23:53):
good job, good job stuff. I hope you're happy. Wow, Steph,
you embarrassed me. We're just trying to do not being
able to take it at all. You know, my daughter
was actually locked out of the house and it was raining. Okay, Wow, Stef,
you want to take that again? You want to? I
would have played it. That's how I don't really lifted
(24:15):
on him. I get I get it, I get it. Yeah. Well,
one of the great superstars any history. Just everything, great love, love.
The addition of like, all right, so I'm gonna be
putting up forty three in the finals game, but I'm
gonna like look really nice while I'm doing it. Like
I'm gonna like be smiling and just seem like a
(24:37):
nice person while I'm doing it. That's kind of cool. Yeah,
I don't know, I think it's kind of neat. That's
my that's my take. I gotta be honest with you.
What what I love most about Steff, and I'm not
taking anything away from you know, prior or past superstars,
is that he's kind of a psychle on the court,
but also one of the nicest guys off the court,
(24:59):
like a Miles's point, you know, he's he's giving, like
in those situations and you know, yeah, you don't necessarily people. Yeah, well,
I think also too, just like I think just being
in comedy, you're you're really aware when people are generous
with their laughter, because that's like a really big part
of like having a good exchange with somebody. Like there
(25:21):
are people who don't laugh at all that stuff, and
you're like, whoa that stingey with your laughter, But there's
like a generosity to it that I'm like, see because
by doing that you're extending m hmm, yeah, especially growing
up being one of the best basketball players in the world. Like,
I feel like you're instincts could go in the direction
of being like dismissing something like where you have to
(25:44):
have the last one and like you're trying to one
up everyone all the time, because that's just how the
dynamic can be because you're gravitationally, you know, a neutron
star in every room that you've been in your whole life.
And for him to just be nice, um, yeah, it's
pretty cool. Shall we uh do some little rapid fire questions.
(26:06):
I think we should do some big rapid fire questions.
This is a segment that was invented by Jabari, but
we haven't seen how he holds up under the rapid
fire of their questioning gun. Yeah, okay, let's start. Hold on,
let me do that. Whoa wow, hold on think Hey,
(26:30):
that's my line take him away toys. You know, honestly,
I actually apologize for that because normally I'm muted in
this That is where I'm saying, you gave me a
moment to be Chief Wigham there, so I appreciate that.
Start the claw Miles has pissed Jabari Jabari. You can
(26:51):
have any three throwback jerseys. Which three are you choosing?
All right, I gotta go old school. But if he
was just totally stumped, yeah, right off the bat. No,
I don't know what that means. I want an old,
(27:11):
old school nine eight seven Lakers jersey. Okay, big l
whether it's a magic you know, Kareem big game, Michael Cooper?
All right, you know what, let me get Michael Cooper. Okay,
you know defensive player Michael Cooper. Yea, sir uh Okay.
(27:32):
The abdual Jabbar version of this very jersey to my
second grade career day plus you should have because I
wanted to be a Kareem abdul Jabbar when I grew up,
in to a large extent, the Airplane actor, the guy
from Airplane. Yeah, he actually played a little ball pretty good. Okay. Nice.
(27:55):
He's a great author too, there shoulders. Yeah, okay, so
that's one eighty eight nuggets. Do you guys remember the
old and I wanted to be a fat leaver jersey,
like the blue with the you know, with the you
know you with with the logo underneath. Yeah, yeah, you
want one of those? Okay, And honestly, just because as
a kid, I should like love the fact that his
(28:16):
nickname was fat, Like I was like Fat leaver Man.
That's just amazing. And then idiot Nuggets is rainbow stripe horizontal? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it looks like it's got a little of that eighties logo,
like eighties um design kind of vibes. Yeah, because it
looks like it's like an eight bit like computer. It's
(28:39):
like super block. The city looks like it could be
going by in the background on like you know a
video game, like a driving game that you're playing that
is like very low five right exactly, it's like going
by the Rainbow City. Okay, that's too. Brack is jogging
by it on the training thing from Tyson punch Out. Alright, fantastic, alright,
(29:05):
world go on, but I'm with you. Oh four black
kg Oh yeah that that that that black Tea Wolves
jersey back in the day for any black jersey. M okay, yeah,
that one was pretty That one was pretty hard, as
we say in the West Coast. And to be clear,
it is specifically because Wesley Snipe told me to always
(29:29):
been on black there. Yeah, tree words, Drew words, Okay,
that wasn't quite rapid, but we still let's stay on pace.
The clock is still ticking. Can barely keep my dang
hat on. This thing's so quick, al right. The question
that I feel like it's gonna stump you ice Cube Jabari,
as you may know, has the Big Three. Tracy McGrady
(29:51):
has recently introduced his one's Basketball league. Is that one
on one we're just fact check, consult with my producer
real quick. Is that one on one, one on one league?
That's the guests to hold on it's one on one back.
So what would your alternative basketball idea consists of? I
want the dunk contest, but I want somebody underneath trying
(30:13):
to block it. I'll line them up. Rudy Gobert, you
say that you could shut check down, get get underneath
the rim. We we we saw it like an NHL
hockey shootout. Yes, basically that where it's like, all right,
you got the ball, there's the rim, what's good what
(30:34):
you got and none of these like five and six
and seven attempts, you get one try if you miss
your out next up. So basically we get mixed with
the dunk contest mixed with knockout that's what I would like.
Oh wow, I like that because, yeah, we see a
lot of the game of basketball being played, but what
(30:55):
about all the other ways we play basketball, like as
kids and younger people like shock out one uh, lower
the hoop to eight feet two one three on two
fast break drills from practice. That's like instant torture drama.
Um yeah, I like, especially especially if your coach as
(31:16):
you continuing to be in the drill, like none of
us saying hey, you gotta learn uh, next up, the
clock is still taking. You're on a game show Jabari
with one million dollars on the line, and you can
call anyone to help you answer an MBA trivia question.
Who are you calling besides yourself? Because if this was me,
I would be calling you. But who would you call?
(31:37):
That's who do the Ghostbusters called besides the two of you.
Let's see, don't come wow, you know what you got jokes? Now,
this is this is kind of cheating. But Robert Keith
Ory should introduce you to my good friend Robert or um, yeah,
oh you know him, you introduced. He's kind of the
reason we met. Oh that's nice. Yeah, he's a good guy.
(32:01):
He too would get along. Why is he just it's
it's everything encyclopedic with him or what he's pretty I
mean he for what however he did it. I don't
know whether he really researched or you know, he just
knew it. But each final series that we went through,
it pretty much was you know, he was breaking down
the second quarter of the game, blah blah blah, and
I'm just like, oh, let me go to my notes,
(32:22):
let me go to YouTube. That's one of my favorite,
like the this happens with movies to where you like
find out that an actor or a director like watches
every movie knows every like piece of like you know,
fans service the information about it and like that. That
just add something like he, I don't know, there's a
(32:44):
there's a genius there. He must know. He must have
figured something out because, like we said, his ability to
be in the exact right spot at the exact right
time and know exactly what was about to happen before
anybody else, Uh, you know, it takes a lot of
lass study. Alright, Bari go to arena or a ballpark, meal,
(33:04):
flash snack. I'm I'm pretty trash, so it's always gonna
be nachos whatever, the biggest nachos. You know, it's the
cheesier the better them. Give me some chicken on them,
you know. Yeah that's fine too, you know, pulled pork.
You know. Hey, we're in business. Oh so you get
you get those big nachos at Staples. Absolutely, I'm sorry.
(33:25):
Blank dot com arena m hm soon soon to be
nameless arena. What do they serve them in? Because I
know Dodger Stadium serves them in a batting helmet. It's
it's just in't a big plastic right, So they don't
like give you shocks shoe or something full of nana. Yeah,
that's a lot of nacho. It's about the amount of
(33:46):
nachos because they're intimidating. When you see people walking around
the arena like that in the crypto dot com Arena
or whatever we call it. Um, I'm always like, I
always see it. I'm like, I could never finish that.
I go with the Roseby sandwich. Not mad at that.
What about you, Jack? Hold on, we'll ask the questions here,
but yeah, how about you Jack? If you guys had
(34:06):
hot dogs? Okay, my favorite my favorite meat is hot dog.
What's your favorite animal? Hot dog. I like their bones,
um Jabari, what's the best basketball movie ever? You know,
people get on these types of shows and lie all
(34:28):
the time and mentioned things like Hoosiers or mentioned things
like no, the answer is white Man can't jump. Anybody
that has anything else to say otherwise, you know, you
know that's fine, because let's be real, it's just my
trash opinion. But White Man is still the one that
It's still the one that I watched more often than that.
I like that you are not only claiming that that
is the best past Well movie ever, like with with Authority,
(34:50):
which I don't I happen to. You know, I think
that's probably in the right. You're also claiming that anybody
who says it's not as lying is knowingly lie. Yeah,
that's what they're doing. That is exactly what they're doing.
It's called jack glory. Come on now, Coach Carter was cool.
(35:12):
I'd rather watch Sunset Parked in a lot of the
ones that I mean, Sunset Park What time is that
I'm gonna get live? How to represent the um basketball?
Mount Rushmore and you get to name a coach as well?
How many faces on Rushmore? Four faces? We're gonna do
(35:33):
four players and then um, a coach is the statue
of liberty standing next to them, uh, for the for
this hypothetical scenario. So I'll just be straight up, there's
no way to narrow it down the four. So I'm
just gonna go with my four favorite players of all time.
That's the best magic Johnson Seaquille O'Neal, Charles Barkley m hm.
(36:01):
And it's so tough to leave the h If I
leave one of them off, give me Kobe, okay, And
I want I want them. I don't want them coach
by Phil, I want them coach by Ryles. You are doing,
you are doing, we are we We already wrapped up
the series early, doesn't matter. Three hour practices, let's go. Yeah, okay,
So I noticed you left Fat Lever off. Sorry Fat, Yeah,
(36:27):
I'm sorry. Okay, Well there's the one the next that's
the one that honestly, that's the one where I was like,
I can't leave kream off. But yeah, well it's about
favorite players. And I think when people hear those kinds
of questions, we don't have to treat it as if well,
whoever he doesn't name is dead, like I like, if
you're not in my FOURD You're terrible. No, like you could.
(36:49):
I could probably have given you thirty of those. Yeah,
they're like songs, you know, they're they're different to every person.
All right, UM, let's take a quick break. We'll come
back to wrap this thing out and talk a little
bit about our good friend Robert dor Oh you know
Robert do Yeah, great, great guy. I love him. And
(37:17):
we're back. Um. Robert Ory, friend of the podcast, was
kind enough to offer you as a guest on this
podcast and said, Wow, we would love to talk to
your cot. I'm explaining, Tavari, you have the distinct honor
to produce co host this show another fellow sister show
(37:37):
on the NBA uh slate here uh Finals File with
none other than our good friend, as we said, Robert Dory,
big shot bob um, none other than um. And I
just I think one of the things when I remember
when you first told me you were even doing this,
I was like what I'm not? I was like, can't
you do Matt Boosts? And I'll do I'll talk to him,
but there couldn't be someone better to speak with Robert
(37:58):
Dory because like, just like you're saying, you would call
him for trivia. We look at you as someone with
a just an unbelievable amount of NBA knowledge and context history.
So for you working with Robert Ory, like, first of all,
how do you even how does that affect how you
even view like an analyzing basketball when you're bouncing ideas
off another like a champion like our friend of Robert Ry.
(38:21):
One of the things I appreciate most from him is
that he you know, he doesn't suffer fools, and he's
not going to just you know, like go along with
it simply because you know, like oh, you know we're friends. No,
he will let you know right away. No, that's a
very foolish way to look at it. That or or
or you're just giving a hot take or you know,
or stay off, you know, stay off of those debate shows.
What he has done is basically just made me look
(38:43):
at it as a simple game of basketball. Is as
opposed to like trying to you know, come up you
reinvent the wheel or come up with something you know,
like you know something you know, some crazy way to
describe it. Uh, He's a very basically just you know,
back to basics. We all you know, we all you know,
pick the ball. Up at one point. You know, we
all shot it, we all ribbled, we all understand these things.
And like he and basically given the way that his
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career with I think that actually plays into it. It's
not that he's like, oh, well, like don't pay attention
to the main guys, but he really really likes to
pay attention to the other guys on the court, or
the guys in particular that well, you know, can come
off the bench in a moment, you know, like you know,
like a game five of two thousand five and you
know put up twenty one second half points, you know,
second half and overtime points, right, just more of an
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appreciation for detail. Do you want to tell people, like
what the what's the premise of the show. It's that
each episode you're covering a different finals. So every each
week we cover the finals, we give you to two
episodes per uh per per series. Uh. And it's basically
just a basketball nerd, you know. And and I you know,
like I say it, honestly, that's what I am. I'm
a guy that came up watching the game. And coincidentally,
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this is a coincidence, Robert Orry was one of my
favorite players as well, Like because I always had an
appreciation for a guy that can do the things that
he did. But you know, you know, and this is
a call back to when you had Robert Ory on
the on the show, just like it was no big deal.
Like it was just no big deal, you know, knocking
down what, you know, some of the greatest shots in
finals history, like it was nothing. Um but yeah, but
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the premises, we we break down a series each week, uh,
you know, diving into diving into the matchup beforehand, then
breaking down each game. Uh. We have a you know
finals file awards where Robert you know, Robert Ory will
give his breakdown of the awards. Sometimes he goes with
who won the m v P or the the general awards.
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Sometimes he says, what nope, that was a total mistake,
and you know it throws out a surprise. But it
has been a It truly has been a fun experience
because you know, like I said, if there's anybody that
you're gonna talk about the NBA Finals with that's not
named Michael Jordan's Honestly, Robert Ory is not a bad
you know, not a bad second out. Yeah, got some
good cameos, Like he's all over the place, It's like
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Forrest Gump of the Finals, what's the what's the best
thing you learned that you're allowed to talk about from
Because they've been a couple of things we've talked about
off Mike that we're very compelling. Also, you know, maybe
not things that we're talking about on Mike, um, but
hit us with the best thing. The best thing is
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that knowing just how deep the eighties rivalry hatred you
know still runs, Big Game James was kind enough to
join us for to break down the series. Obviously it's
Lakers versus Celtics. The Lakers, you know, work up, you know,
by significant amounts in the first four games, ended up
you know, dropping two of those games, and you know
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in somewhat tragic fashion. Uh, and then I will ultimately
end up losing that series. But Big Game James, you know,
he comes on with us. You know, I'm asking him,
you know, the generic questions, and I finally thought about it.
I was like, so, you know, basically what happened on
that play where you push Cedric you know, Cedric Maxwell
into the stands and I'm thinking he's gonna give a
generic answer like the you know, media frame the answer,
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and he just he just lets it. Let you know,
he lets it be known that not only does he
still hate the Celtics, but any of them can still
get it. Uh we we we ended up having the
cutting room floor some of some of the conversation, but
just knowing like like, how seriously and obviously he's not
truly you know, wanting to fight, you know, but that
that competitive exactly, you know how true their competitive nature is.
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And of the you know finals that you've covered so far,
is there a favorite series that you've talked about or
is there one that you wish you could talk about.
I'll give you both of those. So two thousand was
my favorite one specifically because I came of age obviously
watching that team up Pilson personal. I went to Game
two of those finals. Um, yeah who play? Who won
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that one? It was the Lakers and you know the Pacers, Um,
you know, you see Jafar and I'd be like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
I think it's gonna be the Pistons exactly. And then
don't get me wrong that I could have given you
another one because was also absolute be fantastic. I had
actually forgotten how great of a series that was. It's
a series where you've got prime Jordan, Prime Barkley, you know,
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hall of famers all over the court. You get a
triple overtime game in there, you get a showdown game
where both guys go over forty points. It was that
was fantastic. But if my if I'm answering, honestly, it's
two thousand again because like I said, I witnessed it
up close and personal. But to be able to get
you know, actual insight from someone that you know played
in the series, yeah, you know, you know, had you
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made a couple of you know, significant shots, especially in
the Western Conference finals. You know, in Game seven of
those Western Conference Finals, that was my favorite one, the
one that I wish that we had been able to
do and that I hope ultimately we are able to do.
It was a two thousand one series, and you guys
know why m hmm two thousand one. Now I'm not familiar,
but okay, um, don't remember that team? I mean anyway, wait,
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know its a sixers, Um so who who the oh
the seventies six ers? That's that's two thousand one doesn't
ring a bellas a year. So whether whether or not
you covered it, you want to cover it. You've talked
a lot about your appreciation for the other guys who
are anchorman for their team and make people say don't
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look up because they're right down here on the court. Um,
is there a underrated performance in in the finals, whether
it's one that you've covered or not that like you
just feel like people have slept on. Like I think
of Jimmy Butler and the Bubble. Some of his games
were absolutely next level, like Herculean. I think people remember
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like how tired he was by the end, but like
that was noteworthy because what he was doing on the
court was absurd. But like, who are some of your
underrated performances that you think people should talk more about.
I'm gonna lead in with one that seems like I'm
being funny, but I'm not. Austin Crozier in the two
thousand finals was absolutely spectacular. Thank you. I right, somebody
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needed to say it, and I'm happy to be the one. No,
Austin Crowzer really was fantastic and end up you know,
getting paid as a result of it in those two
thousand finals. But uh, um, the microwave so obviously, you know,
like I was a kid in I watched the series,
but I didn't have it under a true understanding for
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what I was watching. H the microwave. Vinnie Johnson was
absolutely fantastic in that series. Um, But what what also
leads me to I had no idea that Bill Lambier
could could shoot it so well from deep because, to
be honest with you, I always just saw him as
a bruiser. In one game of those finals, he makes
either six or eight threes, like like he he was
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going off. It was actually one of the games that
they know that the only game that they lost in
the series. But yeah, no, um, I love you know
your standout performances. Again, of course we know Jordan was
in uble in ninety three and we can go, you
know with the bigger guys. But that's why I let
in with awesome Crozier, because you know what, sometimes the
other guys need that love, not to men. Robert Ory
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played that entire series after Game one with a hairline
fractury in his back. What oh man, what a time,
what a time back in those days? All right? And
last last question, am I am I wrong in thinking
like this is unique? I probably am. I think we
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tend to remember the finals based on like who want
it right, and so like we might miss out on
some amazing performances by the team that didn't end up
pulling it through. But like, do you feel like this
year's Finals is unique in the sense that like the
Celtics are like it had. Do you have another example
of a team where like the team that is winning
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the series doesn't seem like they have the highest high
point you know what I mean? Yeah, you know, that's
a tough one. It's a really good question that, Um,
it's tough. For whatever reason, twenty eleven still stands out
to me in that and that's not and that's not
taking anything away from that Maverick squad because they were
you know, they were fantastic when they needed to be.
But you know, given the way that those fourth quarters
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went for Lebron obviously, you know I would usually hesitate
to bring that up, but hey, I feel like he's
made up for that, you know, since then. But given
the way that he's had a pretty good run. Yeah right, yeah,
you heard, you heard of him. Yeah yeah, But there
were those flashes in that series of like what Miami
was about to do exactly, and for whatever reason they were,
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they weren't able to put it together enough and you know,
end up losing that series, even though you know on
paper you definitely definitely would have all gone into that
series saying like, Okay, they're expected to win it, right well, Jabari,
such a pleasure having you on, uh your own show. Uh,
Miles and Jacko, thank you for coming on the Friends
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of Robert Ry podcast. Thank you for having me, guys,
I really do appreciate it. All right. So by the
time you listen to this game six might be in
the books, the season might be in the books. Next
week's episode, we will know who won, and uh we'll
have more on that, then more Adam McKay plug, more
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cramming in things about how shots were from so far.
We will be back next week, so we'll talk to
you then and keep your eyes trained on the final
Bye bye
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