The Uncancelling Hath BEGUN, Tech Billionaires Can’t Read 05.22.25

In episode 1868, Jack and guest co-host Pallavi Gunalan are joined by comedian and co-host of The Worst Idea Of All Time, Tim Batt, to discuss… Climate Change OG, Have the Experience of Stealing From a Porch Without All the Risk, Kevin Spacey Compares Himself To Victims Of The Blacklist During Unhinged Cannes Speech, Is The World The Way It Is Because Billionaires Are Too Dumb To Understand A Sci-Fi Book Series? And more!

1. Dallas Comedy Club Presents: PALLAVI GUNALAN
2. Climate Change OG
3. Have the Experience of Stealing From a Porch Without All the Risk
4. Kevin Spacey faces another civil sexual assault lawsuit in UK
5. Fact check: Is Kevin Spacey really being honoured at Cannes?
6. 'Nice to be back,' Kevin Spacey says, accepting achievement award in Cannes
7. Writers Guild Censures ‘Schooled’ Showrunner Tim Doyle for Posting Lynching Image in Facebook Joke
8. Kevin Spacey Compares His Plight to Hollywood Blacklist in Fiery Defense in Cannes: History ‘Often Repeats Itself’
9. Writers Guild Scribe Apologizes for “Epically Horrible” Joke Gone Wrong Using Lynching Image
10. The Culture War: Iain M. Banks’s Billionaire Fans - Why Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos love Iain M. Banks’ anarcho-communist space opera.
11. Why does Elon Musk love this socialist sci-fi series?
12. Jeff Bezos: ‘We will have to leave this planet … and it’s going to make this planet better’
13. Elon Musk Names SpaceX Drone Ships in Honor of Iain M. Banks
14. 30 years of Culture: what are the top five Iain M Banks novels?
15. Amazon TV adaptation of Iain Banks' Culture series is cancelled

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Ten. What time is it where you are right now?

Speaker 2 (00:07):
It is six thirty eight am, So it's actually not
that bad. I've got two young kids, so this is really.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
The funniest time of day.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Famously. Yeah, yeah, all the comedy shows on.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
That's right. It's usually when improv troops meet. They you know,
wake up at four am, do their ice bath. Yeah,
and then and then come together and just start unleashing hilarity.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
It's funny you mentioned that not to get on one
too early.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
But I was in the shower and I was like,
rich people misunderstand what a shower is. A shower is
like for you know, working class people to get warm
yish people like you go take a cold plunge and
a cold shower, do an ice cold chap. Fuck you, dude,
We're like we live in ship houses that are cold
and damp. The shower is like the one time in

(00:58):
the morning where you can just heat your body out.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Take that a wife from us.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
You have the shower is my time to return to
the womb, and yeah, leave it.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Jackson there Like mama.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
I do have a nice jug of milk.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
You have like a little hamster water.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Bottle and just drink out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Gurbil style shower, orange jacket, jack the shower milk, just
a nice warm shower milk.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
See, white people do have culture.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Don't touch your legs and drink that milk in the shower.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
I keep when I'm showering, I keep my hands above
my shoulders. Wash my legs. You don't want to get canceled, eggs.
I don't want to get canceled. Touch my body below
the shoulders is a cancer.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Hands.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
You're just in the bathroom mirror hands, ro hands.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
It's got walking around like you can't even scrub anymore,
and we're like, yes you can.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
You really should, actually should.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three eighty nine,
episode four of dared eieyst. It's a production of iHeartRadio,
and it's a podcast where we take a deep dive
into America's shared consciousness. And it is Thursday, May twenty second,
twenty twenty five, the third day in a row where

(02:34):
you can do the date forward and backwards. A date
palindrome five two two two five works both both ways.
Just a just a fun.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Fact bisexual date.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
It's a bisexual date exactly. My name is Jack O'Brien
aka we got a white Dan Jenna Pide, Damn the
ball that one, Curtis Yeah, Christy Almagucci, Man, I think
we just go with this. I think we just actually
they keep claiming that that's what's happening, so we just

(03:06):
got to do it.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Are you trying to manifest a white genocide?

Speaker 1 (03:10):
It would really be helpful. We need something to complain about.
Play it really be a solid we were having to
make them up. I'm thrilled to be joined in our
second co host seat, filling in for Miles by a
hilarious stand up comedian, writer actor want to be British
gangster improviser. You can catch her in Dallas on Sunday.

(03:34):
Check the footnotes to buy tickets, and you must if
you're in the Dallas area. You gotta go skip your
trip to Dealey Plaza and just go see Paulavia.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Get off the grassy knoll, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Get up off that grassy knoll. Please welcome POLIVI Ganal and.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
It's me. I'm back again, back again.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Hey.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
I'm happy to be here and I'm happy to assist
with white genocide in whatever way you think I should.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
I appreciate you doing your part.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
I'm doing it for you.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Thank you, paulve. We are thrilled to be joined in
our third seat by one of our favorite guests, coming
from six twenty three, six forty three tomorrow morning. He
co hosts the podcast The Worst Idea of All Time
with Guy Montgomery, a very funny stand up comedian, TV writer,
producer host. Welcome back to the show, the hilarious.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Tim bad Kyota from the future. Hello everybody, Hello, Hello,
how is it to be the water?

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Warm?

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Water is too warm to the scientists of a correct
oleashalves are gone and the warm is a rusty, thirsty Nah.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Can't trust those guys. Yeah, I guess that's a good point.
We're all going to be back to the womb for
a very brief period before.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Man like lukewarm in the ocean.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
I would hope that you would give a tiny bit
of context Jack for bringing up the womb out of
absolutely nowhere, because we were talking about that off the record,
right we were.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
But that might have made it into the cold open,
a very well balmy cold open.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, I'll never either doubt you again.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
Also, to be fair, Jack brings up the womb like
every epid. He's always yearns for the womb.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
You talking about the womb again? Yeah, it's like, please stop.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
I just want to get up explore it. It's like
this a Freudian episode, down to what makes Jack tick?

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Jack tick? What's going on? Tim? How? How is everything
in New Zealand these days? Oh?

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Man, it's a mixed bag.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
I would describe it as we've got we've got Oh, actually,
do you know what's happening today is this is kind
of nerd politics stuff.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
But our government is releasing the budget.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
It hasn't happened yet, it will be in a few
hours from now, and all indications is that it's going
to be the grimmest ship ever. Our flavor of our
flavor of grimmer is like British flavor rather than American flavor.
So it'll be an austerity budget, but no one's allowed
to say the word austerity. So they basically they fired
like half the public sector since they came in half

(06:26):
the government worker.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
I thought Land was doing better than us.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
We I mean, we are, but that's that's a pretty
low bar.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
From what I'm actually did notice the bar as they
were clearing it. They didn't see it down walked right
over there. I watch out, there's a little bump up, like, hey.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
Be careful, you might get you can might get taken
off the street, and they're like, we're.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Fine, we're trying to catch up. It feels like at
the moment American they're getting ideas from you guys. They're
basically our you know, health is one of the biggest
problems here.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
They're underfunding it to the point where they're trying to
float a whole bunch of privatization because previously we've had
a pretty good ninety percent solely public healthcare system that's
that's done pretty well. But they're like, you know, it
would be the funny thing to do taking all the
money out of there and letting our mates run it
all as a business. That would be pretty crack up.

(07:24):
So that's what we got.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
This is like when Hitler figured out how to do
genocide from what we did to indigenous people in North America.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, everyone reading off everyone's reading off your homework book.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Unfortunately, at the moment America, it's just.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
A bunch of swasakas on our path that.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Does this look Does this still look like a swastika
when I like draw it turn it into a heart?
Kind of?

Speaker 4 (07:51):
Is that Okay, it's like the ass from middle school,
but in a Swaska.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
For Yeah, I saw an Instagram reel where gave like
a step by step on how turned that into a
think a Pride flag or like a Transali flag or
something like that.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
So that's what you got to do out there. You've
got to go find that real and turn it into
real life.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
We're all good enough. The water is going to be
balmy as we all die from climate change.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
I do want to say that I'm sick of I'm
sick of nothing but talk. Look also what's on at
the moment in New Zealand the New Zealand International Comedy Festival.
It's been amazing. I've been to not enough shows because
I've got a three year old and a one year old.
And actually we just got COVID.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
No like we got COVID.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
The novel Coronavirus is once again novel.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Absolutely had it for a while. It feels like a
real throwback yesteryear. It didn't have me too. I got
pretty fucked up for like a day and a half.
But my wife's been really knocked back, which is unfortunate.
But I don't know, just a reminder that they're still
knocking around. I was attemting to.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Do good news, good news, good nineteen still here.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Everyone's right, remember those good ideas? The global lockdown? Are
you a bad movie connoisseur like a little bit? Yeah?
Have you have you seen anything good? Because obviously you're
amazing podcast The Worst Idea of All Time, in which
you and guy watch Grown Ups two repeatedly? What are you?

(09:31):
Have you seen anything lately that seems challenge worthy?

Speaker 3 (09:35):
I haven't seen anything lately.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
We're taking a little bit of a break from the
sort of relentless bad movie podcast format. We're doing a
thing called good Times on the Worst Idea of All
Time Nice, where it's a it is now right now,
it's a hang and we're getting our comedian mates to
come on, and we're we're trying to spread some good
vibes at the moment Nice.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
So people are looking for a respite for me.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Everything it's a you know, it's a no politics zone
except for like we did do a season called Kellionaire
where we plotted how to murder elon mask and some others.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Wow, but I would call that a political.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
That's just letting us some steam. I feel it was cool.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
It was it was with a real evolution because the
starter is basically just like a rift story over months,
and then we turned it into a game show and
got the listeners to come on and pitch us their
ideas shark tank style on how they would first of.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
All, get a billion with our moral code on the
show is billionaires they exist. Okay, I guess we're going
to get thrown in prison if we say you can
kill them, but trillionaires don't exist yet, so we can
say trillionaires aren't allowed to exist. Therefore, we need to
get a couple of billionaires to the trillion dollar mark
and then murder that and then spread the wealth. So

(10:52):
we were accepting pictures on how you get a billionaire
to a trillion and then how you would end them
being around.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
We're going to get to talk about those guys, which
is exciting also.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
COVID, I'm sorry, Ice is at my door right now.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Of course, Pilby is the only one who gets an
All right, Tim, We're going to get to know you
a little bit better in a moment. First, we're going
to tell the listeners a couple of the things we're
talking about. A fun one up top, there's a store
that is offering you the experience of either you could say,
like Christmas morning, or stealing from people's porches without all

(11:33):
the risk, which is.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Some people's Christmas Morning exactly.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
It kind of it's an enormously attractive proposition. But basically
they have a big sort of like ballpit of returned
random Amazon packages, unopened, and then you get to like
choose one. We'll talk about it. But it's both seems
like the end of the world and also I'm like,
I want to do that, Like I could see that

(11:58):
catching on. That's pretty fun. What the great uncanceling has begun.
Kevin Spacey, he got the Award for Excellence in Film
and Television by the Better World Fund. Better at a.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Galling come just gonna do a little giggling this Better World.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
And then there's also a writer of Last Man Standing
who kind of got uncanceled by the Writers Guild after
doing some awful shit. We'll talk about Trump quietly killing
the COVID booster for most Americans, and we'll talk about both.
Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, and Jeff Is his favorite book series,

(12:40):
this sci fi future book series called the Culture Series.
It's like ten ten books. Ian m banks and it
is like full blown socialist propaganda, and somehow they've missed
the point of it or misinterpreted. So we'll talk about

(13:00):
all of that plenty more. But first tim we do
like to ask our guests, what is something from your
search history that's revealing about who you are?

Speaker 4 (13:09):
It's not Better World Fund.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Oh okay, you want my second most recent sion, I'm
just on their LinkedIn now. It was a few days ago.
I had to google how to change water level on toilet, which.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Is an interesting thing to open up for a couple
of reasons.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Number one, because I don't know how to do any
di y round the house stuff, so this is this
is a brand new area. I've never never tried my
hand in any form of plumbing before.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
To just always assume toilets had like a natural water level.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Something.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
You also haven't played Mario ever, because that ever.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
I have played Mario.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
That was highly instructive when I was learning how to
drive a car, and I have found out.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
To mis committede vehicular man's letter multiple times.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
I can't leave the house without two bananas and one tour.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
But there's a whole bunch of stuff inside of the system.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
And that determines the water level. But in America, you guys,
I think kind of universally around the whole country. From
what I've seen, I've been around both coasts. I think
I've been to Portland, Oregon a few times. I've been
to Kentucky.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
Okay, that's better than I can do.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
The water level and your toilets is so high everywhere,
it's like right up to it.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Well is yours super low? Like American We're like, we
have the most ship water in the world.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
You want it.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
There's like a greened yost nature to your water levels.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
To go into an ostentatious amount of water exactly.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
Everything's bigger in the US, including our ships.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
I mean, you don't get you don't get the kind
of splashback risk factor that we get in my native
country of New Zealand, because there is a distance that
that pooh is diving from.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
You need that toilet brush when you're to love the
tone too much.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, what are you using the toilet brush for?

Speaker 1 (15:13):
To clean clean the toilet, to clean the to.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
So you were getting pool off your butt or something.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
In in foreign toilets, you definitely need the pooh brush
a little bit more than you do in American ones
where everything's gone directly into a pool of water. And
for yourself, Jack, incredibly bad aim or really good. But yeah,

(15:42):
that's interesting. I hadn't really thought about that.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, it's It was also off the back of so
I've kind of built a podcast studio at my house.
I converted We've got a three car garage and I
converted that into a podcast studio and it's got its
own toilet, and it's that one that got wrecked.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
And I don't know for sure who wrecked the toilet,
but there was an incident.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
And honestly, okay, it's a very it's a short list
of people who were recording that day.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
So I thought all white guys just had a podcast
studio in their homes.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
The government programs out, but I got there before the
government was paying for those.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
We all get a Better World Fund award and we
are given a podcast studio in our homes just to
make sure that everybody can hear what we have to say.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Which, by the way, the Better World first of all
their website Better World dot fund red flag to me
and I'm on there, I'm on the LinkedIn. This whole
thing looks very sus I'm seeing like the logo was
giving fiver and there's a lot of AI looking videos
to me. There's one shot of Leonardo DiCaprio on their

(16:55):
website on the homepage, which I think they're doing to
sort of launder their reputation, but may in fact behaving
the opposite effect.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
Wait, that also tracks. Yeah, that also tracks with the
type of people who enjoy people who dat young people.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
I think Kevin's been a little twenty five year olds twenty.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Five year olds technically are young people.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Although twenty five is too old. It's twenty four. Is
that that's the last year you're allowed to be in LEO?

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Twenty five is when you get your Golden Watching retirement party.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
He shoots you, he takes you up.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Jesus, what is tim Something you think is overrated.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Something that I think is overright. Okay, So I'm a
big geek, like I love technology, and I got to
tell the people from my take Ivory tower, where I
get a very good view of everything.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
You've got to stop buying flagship phones. This is so
expensive and so unnecessary, Like ninety nine point nine percent
of the population should be buying cheaper phones than what
they're getting. And this applies for like laptops and tablets
as well. We've sort of in a bunch of different devices,
we've reached peak thing.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
We've reached peak phone like years ago, peak laptop years ago.
So you can either pay three thousand dollars to get
the best laptop on the market, or literally pay half
that amount to get like ninety five percent of that laptop.
And it's the same with phones. All the cameras. Now,
as long as you're paying like above, sort of four

(18:30):
hundred dollars US for a phone, now you're going to
be getting like the camera will be pretty fucking similar
to the one that you're paying twelve hundred dollars for.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
You think I want ninety five percent water in my toilet?
Do you think I'm gonna have a ninety five percent
is good phone? I'm American, Okay, I want a phone
big enough to defend me from the mass shootings? All right?

Speaker 3 (18:52):
What about this? What about that?

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Save money by not buying two flagship phone, by buying
one flagship phone, by two mid ray phones. You can
put one in each breast pocket and then no matter
which way the shoot comes from, you protect it.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
That's pretty good reasonable, but like having a disposable phone
that you just need one.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
Now we need one to get back into the US.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
So when you're talking flagship, is that like iPhones and
like Apple products essentially top of the line stuff.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Just don't get the like no one really should be
getting the top of the line stuff. And it's where
all the companies make all their money because the staff
below that, the profit margins are a lot lower.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
They're so expensive. But also like they require such like
geekree to like know the difference between like what you're
missing and what you like want for what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Fucking it's a status symbol. It's like pure status symbol.
So please invest a little bit of time in going
to therapy and sorting yourself out rather than getting fifteen
dollars phone.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah that's you dad here?

Speaker 4 (19:57):
Now what what a what phone do you have?

Speaker 3 (20:03):
I'd ask you not to out me like that, please.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
Wow, I thought you were going to give me some
insight into like nude.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
I'm a big nude and I got a really good
deal on it. So I got one of those phones
that folds.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Oh I love.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, it's pretty extra, and I have just made myself
a pretty big hypocrite, but I'd be I'd be super
happy with Like, for example, if you're an Android person,
there's like the same song.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
A really I feel great?

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah great, it's cheap. Great.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
Would you if you were a person who wanted a
non flagship phone, would you be alienating yourself in a
group chat? Would that be an Oh?

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, what's the deal with I need? Because I've always
been an Android dude? Sorry, because I'm a I'm a nerd,
So what's the deal?

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Didn't they fix that? Didn't they fix that?

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Now?

Speaker 4 (20:51):
If you're if you're the if you don't know about
the green bubble, you are the green bubble? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (20:55):
I know, But didn't they fix it?

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Didn't they get like probably a way to get around it.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
They got them talking to each other.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Now maybe I don't know if I still enjoy that discrimination,
you know, I think that's.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
For that's like a flex by Apple to make sure
that you don't.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
The only people in my life who pay me out
for having an Android phone?

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Am I like? Very good comedian gay friends.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
So that's me and we're friends.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
Oh no, no.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Too deep?

Speaker 1 (21:31):
What's something you think is underrated? Tim?

Speaker 2 (21:34):
I heard something for this by one change because it's
two gram So I'm gonna say underrated. Hot showers so
good in the womb. It's it's there's a few luxuries
in life that you can you can pretty much afford
any you know, situation as long as you've got a
roof over your head, and a shower is one of them.

(21:56):
Where it's just like pretty much anyone can get access
to a hot shower.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
And I just rate it so highly. It's the bad.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
It's so nice. You wake up, You're like fuck being
awake right now.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
That sucks. That's the worst I have to go and
do a day. I guess I have to fucking go
to work now and listen to some idiot. You know
what I'm gonna do before then.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
I'm gonna completely shut myself off from the rest of
the world, so I will see and hear nothing and
be in my own tiny little steam box between five
and fifteen minutes, depending on how my depression is going
that day.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, I have a hard time getting out of that shower,
I really and I take please, I will wake up
early to just take a longer shower. It's yeah, it's
just so nice.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
And yeah, it's bad for power and for water and everything,
but like we've got to have a couple of things
left over, right, can we.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Gotta have it? We have showers?

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Is that okay?

Speaker 1 (22:56):
I think we should all agree on the one thing,
and I do think a hut hours at the top
of the list.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
Also, after after learning about your toilet water deficiency, I'm like,
is it a trickle over there with your shower? Are
you just like a few drops? Thank God?

Speaker 2 (23:12):
The amount of shia hases I've lived in, or as
we call them, flats with terrible water pressure where it is,
it's like getting into a room where an old man
is dribbling on you for seven minutes.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Yeah, having good water pressure is a fucking revelation. It
is changing.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
Sometimes I take showers, like in the middle of the
day or like mostly like at night, I'll take a
shower because I have like restless leg and so like
there will be some day nights where I cannot fall
asleep and I'll just like do the hot shower and
it's very soothing for my legs.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, there more RESTful at night.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
You're more RESTful. I'm like, calm down.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
These seems legitimately like kind of debilitating, really annoying, super.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Restless leg Yeah. Yeah, that coupled with my sleep apnea
and severe mental illness. Listen going on, I'm unemployed.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Triple threat. I believe that's what we call a triple threat.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Unemployed or led, you know, layered.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
I'm in. I contain multitudes and they're all they all
have zero in their bank account.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Dang it, they're all covered by the icy.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be
right back. And we're back, and I do just want
to say that you had sent her out along your
overrated underrated. Not all guests do this, but they really thoughtful, conscientious,

(24:49):
courteous ones will send along like, hey, here's what I'm
thinking about talking about in case, like somebody did it yesterday,
and so Tim sent along his and so we we
know you're underrated. Was before hot showers, and it was
that climate change is still happening. And you included a
link to an article that fucked my whole morning.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Yeah, well that's fine. Was visited like every time I
come to the show, I complained about late stage capitalism
and the fact that the world's fucking burning down. So
maybe I'll take a different tech. But yeah, no, it's
a devastating article.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Basically a bunch of climate scientists is saying, hey, guys,
you know how we're definitely not going to reach the
was it keeping it on one point five degrees? Well,
even if we did, I think we're maybe at one
point five now. So they're saying like if somehow some
miracle happened and just we stayed at where we are

(25:48):
right now, which we definitely are not going to.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Now we agreed, Hey, just f yi, and we're not
signing any like binding kind thing, but just f yi,
we're going to start at one point five. All right,
everyone agrees to this and.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Then do the absolute best and what we're going.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Climate change with the same way that like Sandra Bullock's
character had to get through blindfold. I'm not looking at
it directly or I might die if we don't look
at it.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
It's fine, right, we could just stand named the Blindfold.
It should have been called blindfoldin fault. That is true.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
I would have seen it if it was called blindfold.
I have a better idea about what it's about. But
I mean this is this is the global editor. Okay,
So we all agreed we try our very absolute business
for one point five We're currently at one point two
and we're on Trenck to get to two point nine.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Two point nine is bad.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
It's so so bad.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
What the climate scientist was saying in this most recent report,
which was like a meta analysis of a whole bunch
of scientific studies across a few different related fields, is
that even if we got to the one point five,
which we won't, as shit's still gonna get exceptionally ranked.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yes, it's the it's the old the very first consequence
of climate change that I learned about via Kevin Costner's
Water World, the rising sea levels. They're like the the
melting ice caps and like Greenland and all the Antarctic
ice sheets that is like accelerating faster than a lot

(27:25):
of the more pessimistic models head and like we're going
like we're going to lose huge chunks of land. There's
going to be a mass migration event over the next
hundred years, just inevitably, because we're already like past the
point of like not losing that, like the sea is

(27:46):
going to be going up by There was one that
was like if we get to two point nine and
like everything melts, the water sea levels would go up
two hundred and thirteen feet. That's that's fucking crazy.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah, and all of that beast cities at the coast.
Yeah yeah, that's kind of how we built them.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
I think this is why they kept calling us coastal elites.
They're just trying to wash us out of there. They're
just floods.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
People live less than one meter above sea level, and
we're we're talking many many meters rise in sea level,
so we're.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
All going to be in a Jack and Rose situation imminently,
or like.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
I think they're going to do the atmosphere engineering where
they punch a whole bunch of like heavy meadows into
the atmosphere to block the sun.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Right, yeah, we're going to sea from what I understand, yes, probably, yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
I mean I was talking to like civil engineers at
one of my dad's conferences, and they're like talking about
building man made islands. But I'm like, that's for rich people, Like.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Yeah, exactly, that's are also the islands in space?

Speaker 4 (29:02):
Where are the unhoused people going to be on these
man made of asking?

Speaker 3 (29:06):
That question is no, that's just.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
Water world, like the water gang. Can we call dips
on that now?

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Like it this article? I was it's just everything's going
to be shrinking with the same number or more people.
Excuse everything everything shrinking. Everything shrinking, So in some ways
another silver lining, things that used to be considered small
might look bigger. Second, it might be average.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
Now people should appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
It's literally Fortnite, though, Isn't this what the game Fortnite
is is like the game play area is like shrinking
as people and people are just like killing each other
to like you as the game progresses. I know that
was the premise of like pubg Player Unknown Battleground, but like,
I think that was also Fortnite that, like the whole

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play area shrinks slowly so it like gets harder to
like hide.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
You mean diminishing resources and people getting wiped out so
that people and the metal can and reach themselves.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
The children are training. I think the children are training, okay,
for the.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Futures and the and the best way possible with guns.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
I'm gonna be honest, I'm gonna pass out in like
the first thirty minutes of this happening. I'm just going
just leave me and be too tired to bat.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Here's the here's the pitch.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
I've been trying to like work on but for years
now we've been through crazy shit, Like even recently, I
can't imagine what it must have been like to be
around during World War two, you know, just like everyone
is dying exactly all of the time, just like family
members of yours just constantly sent off just so much death.

(30:50):
And wil War one horrible, you know, like even Spanish
influenza that week era.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Like we're from depression to the dust ball to World
War two. It's just like global catastrophe is just compiling.
It's like, oh, we're we're doomed, Like if the Internet
had been around back then.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
How I see this is not how I read that,
because I think that kind of dumerism is going to
get everyone's hands off the wheel. And the thing is
with climate change is that like any fraction of a
degree that we can avoid getting to is going to
be super helpful for the planets. That everyone actually does
need to engage with this and like really throw down.
And I think, like, look, is shit going to be bad?
Oh yeah, it's going to be pretty fucking bad.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
But we've done really bad ship before, We've been through
bad ship before, and we have we do have a
far bigger toolkit than we've ever had, and it feels
like we're a little bit getting better at dealing with
crises like COVID nineteen was a crazy, crazy thing, a
crazy time. A lot of people died, there's no doubt

(31:52):
about that. But the ability for us to like whip
up a vaccine in the speed that we did once
we said our you know, resources to it.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
It's pretty impressive. And all of the there is a
whole bunch of amazing shit happening with like solar technology
and new battery technology that's coming out, like there is
I think, you know, we've fucked ourselves on the timeline
a little bit. We didn't act quite fast enough, and
we're gonna have a lot of effects, but it's not
going to be the case that everyone's dead. It's like

(32:20):
sh It's going to change a lot. It's gonna get
really hard, but we can never have to deal.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
With Okay, I believe that for you guys. But I
will be dead.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Okay, we're an island nation. We'll be underwater day.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
You you will be surviving and floating. I'm I'm giving it.
I'm kidding. The human race should continue. I'm tired all right.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
We should talk about This is just a I don't know,
like this is just like a snapshot of the dystopia
we live in. This is this was going viral while
a few weeks back, but it missed me. So there's
a store in the Bronx Dollar universe where you can
go and pay four dollars to pick a random Amazon

(33:07):
package that was like originally ordered by someone and either
returned or lost. But I think it's just all like
when when you return an Amazon package and Amazon's like, well,
we're not gonna fucking sell this, so they just like
put it in a big warehouse where then people like
bid on it. And so this store owner, industrious capitalist

(33:29):
that he is, goes and just buys like huge palettes
of these boxes, puts them in a pit of capitalist despair,
and then people come through and just pick a unopened
box and pay four dollars to get the experience of,
depending on how you look at it, Christmas morning as

(33:50):
an adult or being a porch pirate, but without the
risk of like being shot or arrested.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Four dollars a good price.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
It's a good price, Like he nailed a price point
on it.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Like I would go, yeah, all of this is like
some pieces of shit like get a Menion dog toy
or something. But for four dollars, I'm willing to buy
that lotto ticket, you know, yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
Exactly because it could be like electronics, it could be
like yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Flagship fun which if you know.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
But it's like great that He's like, honestly, if it
gets rid of the waist and it helps like a
small business owner, I think that was a great idea
of him, even though it is very dystopian.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, and I mean it's just I don't know that
it gets rid of the wasst It just like moves
the waste around. It probably was going to be it
was probably going to be like disposed of, like incinerated
in some awful way.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
You're right, but now it will be in like three years.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
So right.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
You'd have to think though, if if it's four dollars, right,
so this person is building a business around each mystery
out of being four dollars, it's I he's buying them
for two on average, he's.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Buying them for less than a less than two on average.
He buys four hundred items for six hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Uh, wait, where is that? If I saw the math
I could do it in my head.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
So four hundred items that's six hundred dollars is like,
you know, less than two dollars half, Yeah, it's like
one and one and half one.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, it's buck one fifty fifty item is buying this.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
You guys were both doing the math, Like, wait, let
me check all of his math on this. She's only
a former PhD. Double check this.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
How like that from Amazon's point of view, the men
maxing that, you know, determining the most efficient way to
get rid of stuff that has value is getting it
out the door at a dollar.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
Storage buy them. But also like just I'm like afraid that,
like now that Amazon knows about the popularity of this,
they're going to do it and they're going to like
ruin this man's business.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
And then yeah, they might sense to me like you
should on TAMO would even you spin a wheel and
it can give you a desk you just spent you
just pipe food allays, spin a wheel on they send
you a fucking package.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Can you get the Amazon's probably going to, yeah, get
get in on this where they're like, hey, well well
we'll get the address on one of these things. If
you yeah, well you guys are right on. First of all,
it is it is interesting, like where are these coming from?
The one that ABC, the local New York City ABC

(36:45):
News affiliate, was able to try. They went, got one
of the packages. It's still had This is a problem.
It's still had. The person that dress send phone number
on it.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
It's a huge problem.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
That's a bit of a problem. And he was like, what,
I like, scratch it out in dark ink. I didn't
think you'd be able to see it. But anyways, they
reach out to the person and confirmed that it was
a this yoga mat that they got four dollars. Not
a bad price problem.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
It's Amazon's problem though, right They should be not selling
palettes of people's.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
So that so this is progressing in exactly the direction
you would expect. Walmart actually ensures its liquidators remove all
information from the box. Amazon doesn't give a fun. They're
doing everything like they're moving things as fast as.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
The Amazon is. Amazon has managed to become morally more
deplorable than fucking Walmot. That is a crazy rice to
the bottom.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Oh yeah, so when Amazon was told that this was happening,
they I think this fun experiment is going to come
to an end soon. Because Amazon said it is investigating
the matter, including adding the possibility that these products may
have been delivered to customers addresses were stolen and are

(38:02):
now being resold by unauthorized third parties. So they're basically
saying to this shop owner, like what we'll call the
cops on you.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
We can't have it be fine buying them from Amazon.
He's buying them from a liquor stick this dude. But yeah, exactly,
and that like in a thing that is like fully
your fault, that like you're not doing the bare minimum
of prejective customers hot idea, Jeff, maybe leave Katy Perry

(38:33):
at home, put the rest of them in the rocket,
and with the money you saved from not bringing Katy
Perry to you know, low Earth Orbit, you could scratch
out people's details on the stickers before you sell the
palette space.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Katy Perry, do that in exchange for whatever Katy Perry
to do that.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
Maybe it'll distract her from trying to like destroy nuns
in court.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
There's fascinating.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
There's a law called Perry's Law that gives like a
seventy two hour hold for people over the age of
like seventy five probably selling their properties. Yeah, because Katy
Perry has multiple times fucked over old people who aren't
including including nuns, one of whom like died in court

(39:20):
or something, had a heart attack in court. Like she's
like an evil person.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Yeah, it's in a very real way. I think in
California that introduced basically a specific elder abuse law named
it after Katy Perry because of this crazy record she's
got of it, would say, allegedly tricking old people into
selling their property for way lower the market value and
basically hacktoring them and to signing it away really quickly.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
It's found out about this recently, but it's like this
fucking woman.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
It's like a level of evil you can't even conceive
because you're like, aren't you busy singing? Like why are you?
Like why don't you buy a home that's available?

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Hell? The super Bowl halftime show though, Karen Russell brand
I know what to do.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
At first? Have you seen the Katy Perry documentary?

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Not?

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Okay? So she's like working super hard on tour and
like performing and everything, and he's like being like weird,
and then he tells her he wants a divorce, like
while she's in her chair getting her makeup or whatever
right before going on, and she's like silently weeping and
then sucks it up and does her fucking show and
wins you over. You're like, oh my god, Katy Perry.

(40:39):
And now she's like kicking old people. It's so bad.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
She's just like the good one in that relationship.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
Yeah, being but also like I don't know, like.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
For a pope, being a good one in a relationship
with Russell Brand.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Yeah, would you rather.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. And
we're back, and the great uncanceling has begun. According to
Kevin Spacey, he's feeling some momentum after he was given

(41:25):
the Award for Excellence in Film and Television by the
Better World Fund at a gala in con feels feels
all like a work of satire. This was again months
after news dropped that he's facing yet another lawsuit for
allegedly committing sexual abuse, and he was announced we are

(41:46):
truly privileged to welcome Kevin Spacey as our guest of
honor and honoree at the Better World Fund gala by
the president and founder of the Better World Fund, and
he told the crowd, it's very nice to be back.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
Ew e e e ew he.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Was really like, it felt like he was like and
finally like, I can put all of this behind me.
I feel surrounded by so much affection and love. I've
heard from so many of my friends and colleagues and
co stars in the last week since this award was announced.
It's very nice to be back. And then he went
on an unhinged rant comparing his own career consequences stemming

(42:24):
from multiple allegations of sexual assault to the Hollywood Blacklist
during the red Scare. What do He also cited the
case of sitcom writer Tim Doyle, who was censured by
the Writer's Guild for posting a photo of a lynching
in a writer's Facebook group during the strike. So somebody said,

(42:46):
happy you do that. Someone said happy one hundredth day
to all who observe as a comment to mark the
one hundredth day of the WGA strike, and he was
one of the first to comment, and his joke was,
I just got my tree up with a black and
white image featuring like a man hanging from a tree

(43:07):
on what appears to be a lynching. And the writer
director Keith Powell from thirty Rock, he plays two fur
from thirty Rock was like one of the admins of
the group, and he immediately was like this. He described
his post as especially horrible, racist, self martyring, vile, clueless,
out of touch, boneheaded, disturbing and toxic post, and he

(43:28):
was censured. But I think the Writers Guild voted to
reverse their center of him on the same day that
that was actually something that Spacey said in his speech
two weeks ago. The Writers Guilt in a vote with
all their members reversed their center of Tim. And at
the same time, Manuel invited me here to accept this award.

(43:50):
So he's like, we're starting to many people.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
He's like pedophiles and racist. You didn't know I was one,
but I am right.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Can you imagine if so? There was his name, Tim Doyle,
this writer.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Very funny, very funny joke by him.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
You've done fucked up, You've done fucked up so bad,
and you've done everything you can to try and sort
of put it behind you and get everyone to forget.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
And Kevin Spacey takes the stage in.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
Ceremonial I know, my brother, we did the same thing.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
No no, no no no no no no no no no.
I don't want this one. I don't want defense from
Kevin Spacey.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
No studio will touch him because of a joke he posted.
Is how Kevin Spacey described it, of course, not explaining
what the joke, what the joke like. Also, it's not
a joke, like I don't It's just seems like he
just had racism in his heart and was like, let
me just like get this out here. I'm on the
internet a lot.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
I don't even know where you sort of like get
one of those pictures from you know what I mean.
It's not like a thing that that just sort of
falls into your phone because someone posts it as a mame.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
He just had it saved on his phone. It's got
like he's like, let me just go to my favorite album. Yeah,
you guys seen the Morning Show on I think it's.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Apple, Uh Jennifer Show. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
Yeah. So Steve Carrell plays like I think his portrayal
of like a dude who got canceled for inappropriate workplace
sal behavior. Yeah, like a Matt Lower type. It's like
very good. And he meets someone who is like on
his side and wants to do a documentary with him
about like people who get canceled. Spoiler alert and and
it's Martin Short, and Martin Short like describes even like

(45:39):
further stuff that he's done with, like like pedophilia stuff,
and then Steve Carrel is like because like Martin Short's like,
we're like the same, you.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Know, it's funny.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
No no, no, no, not like that. No.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
I'm it's important for people to remember as well.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
And I think most people like, well remember this, but
for my money, we should be talking about it all
the time because of how goddamn and sane this was.
Kevin Spacey got credibly accused of sexual abuse of a
minor to the point where it got into the courts,
and also sexually abusing other people, which I can't remember
if they were miners not.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
I think they were.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
They were sort of above the legal age, but sexual
like criminal act.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
He was accused of multiple times.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Multiple people died while the cases were going through, and
then like I think it was maybe during the COVID lockdowns,
he released a video from his kitchen as as underwad
let me be Frank, Let me be Frank.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
You didn't drink Christmas.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
The lady was camera and it was just like, what
the fuck are you? What is this dude?

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Psych character? I haven't watched House of Cards, but that
it's a character who like kills people all the time
to get out of trouble.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Right, Yeah, Like the first season, the sort of character
defining moment is that he pushes a journalist in front
of the subway train who he's befriended, played.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
By one of the Maros sisters.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Yeah, and that is a spoiler. But I heard that
show sucks shit. So actually no one's watching.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
Which which like I was kind of like I was
talking to Jackies about this and we were like everyone
stopped watching because of him, but like after he left,
so we kind of like reinforced that we were watching
because of him, even if that's not why, you know
what I mean, Like we kind of did it backwards.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Well, they should have stopped making it, like they really
needed to cut their losses, but Netflix were like one
more season and put Robin Wright at the Helm, who
rolled by all accounts unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
You know, it is also one of those shows that historically,
it like kicked off this streaming boom that now is
destroying the entertainment industry and in Hollywood at least, so
it's really holds kind of an uncomfortable position for.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
A bunch of reasons.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
Yeah, yeah, I know that multiple people died during the investigation, Like,
that's great. How many people died?

Speaker 3 (48:20):
I don't know, top of mine, but I think it's
it's like it's more than.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Two that what that's like a lot? Yeah, yeah, I
don't know that anything, like if he's ever been credibly accused.
I think just the fact that he then, like the
character he chose to inhabit to address the public was
a person who kills people, gets out of deals with
scandals by murdering innocent people and witnesses.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
And he's also saying, let me be this person.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Let me be Yeah, exactly, I do. It is a
weird coincidence and at the very least him.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Yeah, legally speaking, it is a weird incident.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
It's also like, isn't it like a mass shooting if
it's like three or more people or something like or
four people, it's like that, but with like out of
a specific group of people for Kevin Spacey.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Very strange. It's so crazy, very strange coincidence.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
But listen, I don't want to callt Kevin Spacey's legal
team to this fine show.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
So they are big for we hear from them all
the time.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
How do we get Kevin Spacey to become a trillionaire?

Speaker 1 (49:29):
So maybe all he has to do is read this
sci fi series, the culture series that is written by
what's this guy's name, Ian M Banks, Scottish writer. It
is hard sci fi where people you know, explore space.
People describe it sounds a lot like a combination of

(49:50):
like Star Wars and Star Trek. And I'm sure me
just generally combining those two franchises in describing another franchise
will not insight the anger of any sci fi fans.
I'm sure they'll be cool with me saying that.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
But people say it's like cymously chill people. Yes, the
Hoti fans laid back dudes.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
But so this is apparently the favorite sci fi of
Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk. You have to assume
it has all sorts of like libertarian ideals built into it.
It is in fact written by a card carring socialist
who despised the super rich and once shredded his UK

(50:31):
passport and mailed it to Tony Blair during the Iraq.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
That is amazing. Whoa this is how much they hate women?
They're like fuck iin Rand, We'll take whatever this guy
has exactly.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
You have your book series. You can just see that
she thought you guys ruled. You could just read that
thing about the you know, people who like trains or
whatever the fuck I Ran series is. But yeah, it's
like people who read it are like, yeah, no, it's
depicts a world where AI does exist, but it's used

(51:05):
to better people's lives and like make it so that
people have less like busy work to do, and the
actual like archetypal super villain is a billionaire capitalist and
there's no police or crime, and society essentially rules by
cancel culture, like all these things that you would think

(51:27):
they would be against, especially Elon Musk, who like names.
Elon Musk has like named his spacecraft after like spacecraft
in this book, Like he crazy open an avowed huge
fan of this book, and it just seems to represent
everything that he despises.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
This is an ongoing theme of billionaires reading sci fi letterature,
which are supposed to be this sort of informative, artistic
explorations of what happens if we take the idea of
capitalism to its natural conclusion, and we're technology is eating

(52:08):
and they go oh, yeah, cool idea. It's like, no,
fucking not what we were trying to say in this book.
What we were saying it was a bad thing. They're
seeing the villains and like really identifying with them and going, oh,
that would be a cool thing to do. They missed
the point again and again. This is like not the
first sci fi series where your elons and your bezosis
have like glorified the worst elements of what are supposed

(52:33):
to be cautionary tales. To the rest of us. They're dumb.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
God the sketch I probably brought up on here a
thousand times, and I will continue going back to is
Mitchell and Webbs are we the baddies? Because they will
never reach the point where they're like, wait a minute,
they never reached that point. They're just constantly like in
their skull uniforms being like we're doing a good job.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
I get that's part of the pathology of being a billionaire.
You don't get to be a billionaire if you have
self awareness. If you possess self awareness, you don't get
to trample on as many scales as you need to
to accumulate that much wealth to yourself, Like it's just
not possible.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
So what we're dealing with is like.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
A self selected group of people who are lacking like
not just basic humanity and decency, but any kind of
self awareness that the most of the rest of the
population possess and walk around with and give us our
little neuroses and that voice inside your heir going, hey,
maybe I shouldn't maybe this, you know, maybe this will

(53:39):
make this person feel bad, Maybe this will have negative
effects for someone who isn't me. They're like demonstrably missing
that component of their fucking brain to get to the
billionaire status. That's why you've got to legislate against this stuff,
because if you leave these guys to their own devices,
this is what happens. You need infrastructure like the to

(54:00):
just go, hey, guess what your first billion, go and
make it.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
But you're not like, we will.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Just take the rist after a billion and we'll build
hospitals and rides with it.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Something that billionaires I feel like like to say, is
like the first million or the first billion is the
hard part and then like from there. And I think
that's really true, Like I think we're overrating how difficult
it is to go from like being a one hundred
millionaire to a billionaire. I think just a lot of
people stop because they're like, well, I don't have anything

(54:31):
compelling me to keep like compounding my money in a
way that's just going to harm people. And so what
we're left with is people like billionaires who are just
the most pathologically narcissistic people out of a group of
like five hundred, you know, one hundred millionaires, and they're
like class of like super privileged, lucky people. And it's

(54:53):
just this self selecting thing where it's like that you
have to be broken in a very profound way to
get to be a billionaire, and then we just do
the whitewashing for them to be like and they're actually
really smart and they're the smartest Okay.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
It sounds like you guys just aren't hustling and grinding
one day that's gonna be.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Me, okay, and not just broken in a way that's interesting,
but broken in a way that is always deep for
me to the rest of us.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
And yeah, but if they just were like I'm gonna
learn I'm gonna pay yoyoma to teach me violin, we'd
be like, sure, dude, whatever you know. But they're using
it to like destroy the world.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Yeah, but yeah, so the the culture. In the world
of the culture, people are gender fluid, So anyone can
change gender just by thinking about it. And most people,
why don't they do once in their lives.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Hey, elon, why don't you pay attention to that part
of the book and maybe folk that into your personality.
Then it's okay to express your gender however you want to. Instead,
you're like honing out on the worst.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
But yeah, they're yeah, they're blatantly morally incompatible with the
existence of billionaires. That's like the person who wrote the books,
he's now past, but he's like that there. It's just
like a bunch of like hippie commie people with like
amazing technology.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
You guys think now that this presents like a big
problem for writers, writers and other artists who are creating
what is supposed to be like instructional art about sort
of class consciousness. And yeah, the way that we're structuring,
you know, how we treat our wealthiest individuals. Because if

(56:36):
I was a sci fi writer, now, this is the
terrain that I would want to play in. But you're like, fuck,
I might accidentally be writing an instruction manual for these
psychos yeah, because they don't have amazing imaginations, but they
can like go and find my ideas that I'm trying
to put out there to be a cautionary tail, and go, oh, yeah,
we should do this. Do you actually think this might
have like a shelling effect at the moment of people

(56:57):
who want to write these books and exploring these ideas,
but they're two, They're going to give these ideas to
the billionaires.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
I mean maybe maybe it'll just like get make people
take a harder look because like one of the things,
so this is from a box article is just written
about these books and about like this fandom, and they
this box article is saying, like in the end, the
thing that always happens is the good guys develop a
piece of technology and like use it in a clever

(57:25):
way to like solve the problem. And so it ends
up being sending the message that like more power or
like better technology equals being right. And so in that way,
like the theme of the book is the most important
thing powerful people can do is use their power to
make the world or to make like the better technology.

(57:47):
You know.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
And so you got to write some sci fi books
about solidarity and unionizing.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
Yeah yeah, wait, Okay, this this is this brings me
to Shazam? Is that the movie?

Speaker 1 (57:58):
That's the movie right with Zachary Levi?

Speaker 4 (58:01):
Yeah, who ironically is this crazy Trump supporting libertarians. But
in Shazam spoiler alert, he like redistributes his powers and
that's how they save the day. He like shares his
powers with his other like brothers and sisters and they're
able to save like there's no one hero at the
end of it. And so that's why I always, I
always like loved that movie for that reason at the end,

(58:24):
because usually it's just like Spider Man just like thinking
harder and wanting it more and then be finding the
strength and it's like, no, dude, you need other people
to help you. And that's like what the moral of
that movie was. But Zach really I didn't.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Really learn that plus this story going watch Shazam.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Yeah, I mean, like Batman is the one that makes
sense for billionaires like Batman like them just like a
I alone can fix it mentality and like I will
instead of investing in fixing the structural issues deep.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
The Batman is the right example because I've got this
sneaking suspicion I've not looked into this for everyone. But
I think a lot of these guys wouldn't exist if
they had a good relationship with their dad. Yeah, like
I'm thinking, you know, respectfully, I'm thinking Joe Rogan Elon
Musk's dad is a uniquely fucked up individual who.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Relationship with d Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Yeah, I think, like my suspicion is the vast bulk
of these dudes that we're talking about if you look
at that relationship with it. That's why I'm so like,
I gotta I gotta hug my boys all the time.
You have two boys, two boys, and they're getting a
lot of hugs.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
I got two boys, and I'm trying to maximize their
earning potential.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
But I've abandoned them and I'm hoping they'll become famous
very quickly.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Got a lot of bills. Tim, Such a pleasure having
you on the show. Where can you? People find you,
follow you, hear you, all that good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Yeah. So the worst idea of all time is the
podcast I did with Guy Montgomery, who is a real stitch.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
He's a friend, dude, He's so funny. One another one
of our faves.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
That's the main thing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Yeah, we were talking about the movies that you guys
have covered. So Season one was grown Ups two, Season
two Sex in the City Too. Season three We Are
Your Friends for Where are Your Friends? And actually, if
you want little taste.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Probably one of the things I'm most proud of that
I've ever made is Guy and I so very briefly,
fucking almost a decade ago. Now, YouTube was commissioning original
content and they gave us, I think they gave the
production team. I think this was like legally, I'm not
allowed to say this, but whatever, they didn't. They didn't

(01:00:48):
greenlight the series, so fuck it, like a quarter of
a million dollars to make a pilot. And so Guy
and I lived in a sewer in New York City
and watched teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles over and over again
to invent the concept called method film reviewing. That is
on YouTube, So that's quite good if you want to
check that out.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Yeah, the rehearsal before the rehearsal, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Pre COVID, So you can check that out on YouTube.
If you look up voice idea of all Time pilot.
If you just punched that in, that'll that'll make you
giggle for twenty minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
How is it down there? Pretty cool how it was.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
So it was such a like America kind of Hollywood
even though we're in New York kind of thing, because
they showed us a map of where we were and
they were like, okay, and here's the hotel where you'll
sleep at at night. When we stopped shooting, I was like,
what are you talking about? And they're like, well, you know,
so we wrap up at about eleven crew packs down.
You guys get some sleep there. I was like, dude,

(01:01:45):
we're sleeping in the sewer if we say we're sleeping.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
So they had to get these huge fans to ventilate
the ear so we wouldn't die down there because we
were so like, we were committed, so we lived. Director
respected the integrity, and I'm sure all the production crew
were like these idiots.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
The production the emails between the production executives, you should like, Foyer,
you should like those emails and then make a feature
film about this experience.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
And I just want to shout out something while I'm
on the show. Adam Curtis.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
I don't know if people are familiar with his work,
but he is a papernormaliza share how the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Funk Yeah documentary maker. I guess you described him as
like a sociologist. He's like an anthropologist in some ways.
He's got a series that's about to come out, a
new series called Shifty. His ship is incredible, hyper Normalization
is like essential watching at the moment. The one that
I still really rate, which I think is probably his
best work in my opinion, is The Century of the Self,

(01:02:52):
which is all about the rise of consumerism and how
it happened. And it happened really specifically, and it was
down to kind of one guy called Edward Burnet's and
it explores how that happened. But he's got a new
series that's coming out soon called Shifty, and I am
fucking excited.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Nice what's it? What is Shifty about? Do you know?

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
It's about Britain.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
It's about extreme money and hyper individualism came together to
become an unspoken alliance. So it sounds like it's about
probably Thatcherism and yeah, how Britain lost its way and
then leading up to Brexit and beyond.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
There's also a really good I'll save it from my
thing thing I've been enjoying. But there's a there's a
good Twitter that is future Adam Curtis b roll Oh Yeah,
there's something that he does. He just finds these incredible
shots of just random things like it usually as documentaries
are a series of like seemingly random things that it's

(01:03:52):
like a collage of like moments from the thing that
he's talking about, and so you're hearing these like really
interesting kind of high theory ideas about like what's going
wrong with society and then like there's just these incredible
He just has an amazing ability to like find all

(01:04:12):
this like b roll from that moment in time. His
Russia one is really good also.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Yeah, but apparently the way he makes them as Hay
and a small team of research is that babyc locked
themselves and the BABC archives for like three months and
the sewers with birds of the feathers floating together.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Great recommendation, Paula, Where can people find you? Is there
workimedia you've been enjoying?

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
Find me and Dallas on Sunday, Dallas Dominic Club leaves
by tickets. They tell your friends of by tickets.

Speaker 5 (01:04:46):
If you know someone that you met eight years ago
one time in passing in the girl's bathroom and you
added each other on Instagram and she her uncle lives
in Dallas, please tell her uncle to come to my show.

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
And I'm at Paul Ganalen everywhere p A L A
B I g U and A L A N. Listen,
this is for non black people. Sinners was really good
and if you have a different opinion, you're wrong. I'm sorry.
I watched it again on Saturday night and I got
more out of it. It's just so entertaining. It's so entertaining,
and you're like, oh, I knew they were vampires, there's

(01:05:21):
no surprise, blah blah blah. Then you're watching it wrong,
like you're just you're you're not looking at it for
the right things. I don't know what to tell you.
Is beautiful. I love it. Might go see it again.
Who knows?

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
There you go. Great. So that's your work of media
that you've been enjoying.

Speaker 4 (01:05:35):
Yeah, I don't know if you've heard of it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Yeah, I mean I know it's something that I am
growing up Catholic. That's something I identify.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
Also, Buddy Guy, who is the person at the end
of the movie who is a real jazz player or
blues player, jazz blues player. He is on or and
he's like touring more than I am. And I'm like,
aren't you a million years old? How are you doing
this physically? But I want to like see him now.
I'm like, this is so cool.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Hell yeah awesome. You can find me on Twitter at
Jack Underscore O'Brien work a media I enjoy. I'm gonna
link off too. I don't think there's been many updates recently,
but there's a bunch from the archive that are a
good look at its future. Adam Curtis b roll on
Twitter that just has some great moments. There's this one

(01:06:31):
that is a food influencer like shooting a video and
then you like see the person drop the camera from
them and they just like go from this like smiley
thing to just the most profound existential emptiness in like
the blink of a high It's so wild. But they

(01:06:52):
also have like Trump watching a local high school band
of cheerleaders perform at mar A Lago and just they
really nail it. It's it's like, yeah, these really are
great moments that would be in an Adam Curtis is this.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Take talk where are you? What platform? Is the song?

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
It's on Twitter x the everything at Yeah excellent. It's
actually only like twelve videos. I act really like a
handful of them. Anyways, you can find me on Twitter
at Jack Underscore ol Brian and on Blue Sky at
jack Obi the Number one. We are on Twitter at
Daily Zeitgeist and on Blue Sky at daily Zeitgeist. Where

(01:07:30):
at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram you can go to
the description of this episode wherever you're listening to it,
and there you will find the footnotes. Good notes is
where we link off to the works of social media
we've been enjoying. Where we will link off to tickets
for apologies upcoming show, and yeah, the sources for the
information for today's episode. We also link off to a

(01:07:50):
song there that we think you might enjoy. Super producer
Justin is there a song that you think the people
might enjoy?

Speaker 6 (01:07:58):
Yeah, this is a song called called Little Things by
Still Woozy, And I'm telling you, if you want to
put yourself in the mood for the unofficial start of
summer this weekend, throw on this track during like a
barbecue or when your pool side, and you won't regret it.
The vocals are so smooth, the production quality is outstanding,
and it's just such a vibe. So that song, again

(01:08:20):
is little Things by Still woozy and you can find
that song in the footnotes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Footnotes No Daily Zye Guys is a production of by
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us this morning. We are back this afternoon to tell
you what is trending and we'll talk to you all
then bye.

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
Good bye bye.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
The Daily Zeit Guys is executive produced by Catherine Law.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Co produced by Bee Wang.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Co produced by Victor Wright

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Co written by Jam mcnapp, edited and engineered by Justin Conner,