March 5, 2018 • 58 mins
In episode 97, Jack & Miles are joined by Stuff You Should Know's Josh Clark to discuss Cadbury chocolate eggs, West Virginia's teacher strike, trade wars, an Oscar recap with super producer Anna, plus a dildo inspired by The Shape of Water, & more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season twenty one, Episode
one of Der Daily Sight Guys. YEA for March fifth,
two thousand eight. Team. My name is Jack O'Brien a K.
Jack is back, said Zack Dad, her dad Dad's gonna
be back. That's courtesy of Zachary Uh. I forgot to
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say a c D c uh courtesy of Zachary on
Twitter and many other people. But I am thrilled to
be once again with my co host, Mr Miles Bread
Different strokes for different folks and so on and so
onnly Scooby doo by Dooby am every great pople. Thank
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you so much because I love slid Stone, So Kellen
Thompson shout out to you for that, sly Ak, and
we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat
by the very funny host of the Stuff You Should
Know podcast with Chuck Bryant. We are joined by Josh Clark. Joh.
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I kind of bungled that it made it. I made
it sound like we were joined by Chuck, but I
joined by Josh. All that Stuff you Should Know is
Stuffy should Know featuring Chuff Bright. Yeah, so I knew that, Josh,
but it is in fact, Josh, right, we're talking to
you and we're thrilled to be talking to him. Guys,
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you guys do your prep. Yeah, yeah right. Uh So, Josh,
what is something you have searched in the not too
distant past that is revealing about who you are as
a humanity? Uh? The thing going through my internet history,
the only thing it revealed is that I'm actually kind
of boring. Um. What I did find is all like
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work related. But luckily the work that I do makes
my Internet search history pretty weird. So I found an
entry for pare gork. Have you guys heard of that
no opium for children that they used to give kids
in the nineteenth century? And the reason I know about
it is because Harriet Tubman used it to drug one
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of the kids that she was smuggling to freedom to
keep it quiet along the journey. Wow, that's that's something
I'm going to have to try my name my new son. Wait,
was it heroin or opiate? Was the same thing? It's
an opiate for children? Yeah, I think it's like kind
of tomato tomato when they're giving it to kid. What
made it like it was just a low dose or
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something that made it suitable for kids or not, like
non legal. There was you know there's a cute picture
of a kid on the bottle too. That was it, right,
so that made it sable. Uh ye, Heroin. There's that
picture on the internet that I don't think is doctor.
That is a bottle that says Heroin on it, and
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it's like being packaged as a as a children's like
cough medicine or something. Yeah, no, no, no, Heroin Heroin is.
It's a brand name from Bear the Beard company, originally Heroin.
Well they did it as like um and alternate, a
non addictive alternative to morphine, right, and then they said,
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oh god, what have we done? After so people start
stealing each other's gigantic bicycles and that big Uh josh,
what's something you think is underrated? Oh? Underrated? Cadberry mini eggs? Interesting? Wait,
so have you have you got a mini egg? So, okay,
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we'll allow me to describe. So the Cadburry mini egg
is it's it's got like this nice candy shell. But
they chose like a nice Matt pastel for the color scheme,
so it's pleasing to look at the size is about right,
so you can just pop them in your mouth over
and over and over again, and they've got a nice crunch,
but then inside it's some really good Cadberry chocolate. That's right. Okay,
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So it's just like a thicker crunch here andy shell
with more blazing color. Right. If you want to dumb
it down, you could say it's like an eminem alright.
I actually really liked those because I have a weird
eminem eating tactic where I like to let the candy
shell melt in my mouth and then proceed to eat
the chocolate. And with the Cadbury ones, the shell is
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so thick. Is the time investment? Right? Yeah, you have
to disciplined if you like to eat like that, or
your eminem's like that. I also, speaking of the Matt finish,
my favorite eminem color growing up was the light brown,
which just seemed like the most delicious color for a
chocolate candy to me. And then they did away with it.
Uh they did so? Yeah, they did a long time ago,
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didn't they. Oh wow, Yeah, but that's been gone for
a while. There's still but it's like a lighter, a
lightish color. But is there a dark dark brown still around? Ye?
Dark still around? But they got rid of They got
rid of the sort of mocha colored eminem and they
never even had it for peanut Eminem's that always bus
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it really said. Okay, Josh, what's something that is overridden?
Well on on the other side of the coin, but
I think is overrated are the Cadburry cream eggs. Wow?
I mean everybody likes everyone likes the Cadburry cream egg right,
Like it's just part of Easter whatever, which, by the way,
Easter now is like concurrent. It begins concurrently with Valentine's Day,
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which is a problem because if you like get into
that Easter candy, you just keep going back and back
over and over again. Yeah, and I think they've probably
planned this out. But um so, Cadburry cream eggs, it's
like a part of Easter. But they also with the
thing no one ever talks about. I don't understand why
we're not talking about this is that they give you
like horrible chemical burn to like they scorch your sinuses
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on the way down. Who wants that from ca? Yes,
many of them. In the TV commercial where the rabbit
is laying the egg, yes, yes, yeah, see that already
put me off as a kid. I was like, this
is so that the rabbits like, and it's like giving
birth to like an egg, because it wasn't. The inside
is supposed to seem like an egg, like had like
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a yolk. It still does. It wasn't. It wasn't past
tense supposed to. It just still and does look like
an egg. And I don't know. I'm for it in
the sense that it's one of the few foods that
when you eat it, it like gets you literally high
from like just the sheer concentration of like liquid sugar
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inside of it. Yeah. Oh, it's just jam packed and
it's like the right size and sort of makeup that
you don't really want to take a half a bite,
so you put the whole thing arm out and just
like yeah, yeah, it's like sushi. It's like this. I'd say,
it's the sushi of of Easter candy I can for you, Miles,
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I would say, or one of your homeless wings. And
I don't um, but yeah, so you get a chemical
burn on the way down. I've not had that. Yeah,
I guess I thought everybody didn't. We were just pretending
it didn't happen because everyone liked the cadberry egg, but
I guess it's just me, so I don't I don't
like them for that reason. I'll still eat him, but
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I don't enjoy it. Now do you get them? Do
you get your Cadberry eggs from like a licensed like
CBS or where are you getting your und What was
he on trial? Right now? Yeah? All right you, I'm
sure you've convinced some people. Uh, And let's get into format, guy,
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as we're trying to take a sample of what people
are thinking and talking about right now today at the
moment that we record, and the way we like to
open up is by asking our guests, what is a myth?
What's something that people believe to be true that is
not actually true? Based on your experience, Josh, and I'm
very excited for this one because I feel like you
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have come across all the myths in your time as
the host of stuff You should know. We we've been known,
Chuck and I too have busted a myth or two
here there. Um. The one that I came up with
for today is the myth that ignoring people in public
is rude, like pretending you don't even see somebody in public, right, Okay,
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So so you know especially when people who may maybe
live outside of cities come into cities. One of the
things they always remark is, oh, my gosh, everybody's so rude.
They just don't even make eye contact. And there's this guy,
this social scientist back in the sixties named Irvin Goffman,
and he studied this phenomenon and he concluded that actually
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what was going on was this really intricate dance that
people who live in in cities have kind of developed
as a part of just being a productive member of society,
where you act like the other person's not there, and
what you're really doing is affording a certain measure of
privacy for yourself and for them in places where their
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privacy is extremely scarce, which is why people who don't
live in cities come to the city and don't get this,
because they have tons of privacy, so they like to
interact in public. People who live in like a city
where you're living on top of other people, you don't
have as much privacy, So you pretend that the other
person is not there. It's called civil inattention. It's actually
pretty interesting stuff. Yeah, there's also a practical aspect to it, too, right,
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because you can't if you acknowledged everybody in the city,
you would you would not be able to get anything
like uh. In New York, you quickly learn that you
have to look where you're going, like about six feet
in front of you, at the ground where you're going,
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and people just sort of into it based on that
where you're headed, and like that's how you moved through
the city of New York. You can't if you like
try to look at people in the face, You're just
gonna get into all sorts of awkward things and it's
gonna take you forever to like walk down the city block.
I guess it's true because like when I've gone to
like traveled too smaller towns or or areas that aren't
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is like sort of just sprawling cities. Like when I
went to Eugene, Oregon the first time visiting my friend
who went to you AVO shout out to Chris um I.
I was at a convenience store and I was wearing
a Lakers had and someone's like, hey, so the Lakers, huh,
like they're they're a pretty good team. And I was
so suspicious because in l A you don't talk to anybody.
It's like, let me just get my ship. I'm gonna go.
And I thought he was trying to scam me because
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I was like, Okay, what's the ask here? Yeah, man,
they're a good team, and he's like, yeah, they're doing
pretty well. I was like uh huh, and he's like,
all right, we'll have a good day. And I was
like you too, And I walked out from like such
an asshole because I had. I guess it's weird too.
I wonder if there is some like a phenomenon to
about the defenses that we have just being in cities
too that are just different, that like, you know, when
you're and you you you respond to friendliness of strangers
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in a different way, because I definitely have that, or
maybe that's my social inattention coming into no I think
I think you're right, you know, like when you're you
have to be on guard in the city, even when
you are actively ignoring other people. I think part of
what what Irvan Goffman found was like, we're still ignoring
one another, but we also have like a decent portion
of our awareness and attention peripherally on everybody else because
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there is a chance that somebody's gonna like draw a
knife and come at you, you know. So living in
the city, it's it's uh, it has both of those things,
ignoring people while also being extremely threatened and frightened of
other people. Right, Yeah, I guess I have cruel and
unusual world syndrome. Like you watch the news so much
like that's reality. But actually I loved it though it
made me realize how wired being wired like that in
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the city. Actually it doesn't vibe well with me. I'd
like to be able to be like, oh, everyone's friendly. Yeah,
and now Myles approaches everybody on the street, and that's
really becoming a problem in Hollywood. Hey, I'm getting scammed
a lot. Welcome to Hollywood. Yeah, yeah, you should dress
up as like Batman or something. A lot of people there.
All right, let's get into format, guys. Uh. We wanted
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to start off Miles. I've been gone for a week
and Daddy was gone. I come back, and the first
story you want to talk about is that you think
Donald Trump is actually making America great again. I've had
a change of heart while you were gone. I had
some real interesting guests that didn't actually make it onto air,
just some sside conversations with people I met in Hollywood
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and in terms out Donald Trump is making America great
because I'm just I guess, you know, this is not
an original take, but just the groundswell of of activism
and demonstrations that have been going on from the uh,
you know, the students in Florida to the West Virginia teachers.
You're starting to see that people are really taking their
power very seriously. And I wanted, I just more wanted
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to bring it up in the context of what the
West Virginia teacher strikes. So we talked to about it
last week how they were I think just a week
ago today when Star June was on, she brought it
up how the teachers in West Virginia went on strike
because they're asking for a five percent pay increase and
they were, you know, the governor and the state legislature
were playing hardball, and so they had to go on strike.
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Last week, the governor and the teachers at union made
in agreement. They made a deal that said, okay, let's well,
we'll agree to this five percent. Now, we just need
the State House and States Senate to vote on it.
The State House passed a five percent increase. The States Senate, however,
only passed a four percent increase. So the teachers are like, nah,
that we're going back on strike because we asked for
five percent. Now, one of the reasons why is that
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the states, like the head of the state Senate was
basically saying that you know, we can agreeing to five
percent increase didn't take into account like what the state
is actually bringing in. They're saying, well, we don't really
have that money. Uh, and they should actually, you know,
they're actually making a bad example to students because they're
getting eight percent of their demands, so they need to
show what compromises without really acknowledging that these teachers have
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been compromising for years. So now they The strike continues
and and hopefully it will end soon. But a lot
of people, especially in West Virginia, like why don't rather
than giving huge tax breaks to the energy sector, mostly coal. Uh,
you know you can, you can roll some of that
back and actually put money back into our pockets. Because
this is sort of the methodology that these state houses uses.
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They give tax cuts away, and this applies to all governments.
They'll give tax cuts away or tax breaks two people,
and then they make up for the money by taking
stuff out of like public sector good or or teachers
or the education system. So this is just kind of
interesting to see because the teachers are are are seeing
how the state is prioritizing sort of corporate profit over
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the own well being of the children in their state. Uh,
and they're taking action. And what's crazy now is that
this is starting to spread. So in Oklahoma, Uh, they
they seem to be planning another there a strike as
well for the teachers there because they haven't had i
think a pay rise like ten years, and that state
legislature to they're giving, you know, some breaks away to
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some of the oil producers, uh, people who are causing earthquakes,
so they are you know, it's just interesting to see
that now we have teachers to who are really taking
it by the reins and like looking out for themselves
and not only themselves, but for the students because at
the end of the day, you want teachers who are
happy doing their job. And a lot of becoming a
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teacher isn't easy, you know, like you have you take
on student debt to to to be a fully you know,
accredited teacher and being paid nothing. It wears on you
and you want to be able to focus on your
on your students and be able to you know, enrich
their lives. So it's just it's it's it's a great
thing to see now of all these people just kind
of taking the power back. Yeah, And when we were
having the tax debate, there were there were conversations about
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how a lot of teachers end up spending money out
of their own pocket for school supplies because funding has
been so drastically cut in recent years, because public education
has sort of fallen and out of favor. And now
the new thing is like, well, guess what alongside being
underpaid and being you know, crushed under healthcare, cause we
want also we want you to learn how to shoot
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a gun, like WHOA, come on now, don't just pile
on the responsibilities like that. So also another thing too
is we'll add a link because the thing about these
two states, especially in Oklahoma and West Virginia, those states
specifically prohibit public sector workers from going on strike at all,
so there's no strike pay. These people are just depleting
their own funds to take a stand for what's right,
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and you know, I think they're there. This is a
cause that's worth helping. We'll attach a link to um
our footnotes today, so you can find out how you
can contribute to the strike fund West Virginia. I don't
know if there's one for Oklahoma yet, but yeah, these teachers,
they're they're losing money even trying to get fair pay,
so yes, we should help them out. Yeah, my education
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began in West Virginia public schools actually willing West Virginia
through second grade. Uh, And what was like that? It
was great as far as I know, I was. I
wasn't like the most critic saying that I was seven
and had never been to another school before and an
hooked on paragoric. Yes, not to mention, um, you're like, yeah,
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ms Connors, are you satisfied with your wages? I'll go
back to yeah. Um yeah, Just a couple of things
that occurred to me during that one. Josh, have you
guys talked about the man made earthquakes and Oklahoma on
stuff you should know? Is it from fracking? Yeah, we've
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talked about him from like building reservoirs and stuff, and
I think I'm sure we talked about it in the
fracking episode, but yeah, I'm familiar. That's so crazy, man,
That's like, yeah, if you think about it, like the
Earth is kind of pretty densely compact. The mantel is
and if you start messing with it, of course it's
gonna it's gonna punch back. It's the Earth. It's does
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it takes no, it takes no crap. There's a great
uh yeah, that's true about the Earth. We're starting to
see that. There's a great sixty minutes uh where they
just covered all all of the earthquakes and they show
a graph in the in the segment and it's just
it was like zero earthquakes to like five hundred earthquakes
in the previous year. Uh, you know, zero earthquakes like
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back in the eighties before they start cracking because energy companies, Yeah,
energy companies find a way to uh you know, be like,
well we disagree with this analysis. Well we think too
many illegal immigrants live on that side of town, right,
and they're throwing the balance off. Another thing, companies are
really good at that. Uh you're kind of description of
the West Virginia situation reminded me of companies are great
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at pretending they don't have money. That's something you learned
in the entertainment industry that I wasn't aware of, Like, uh,
you know, before I became an adult, and I know
we have a lot of listeners who aren't yet adults. Like,
companies are great at, you know, projecting earnings and like,
you know, having really rosie projections for how much money
they're gonna make. But then when it comes time to
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pay you, when it comes time to decide how much
they owe the people who work for them, that they
suddenly have like these really ingenious ways of accounting that
make it seem like we were out of money. I
don't know what we can do. Um, here have this
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exposure instead. Exactly, we'll pay you an exposure, right, See,
this is good for your career as a teacher. Have
you thought about exposure pay? Got got that CNN interview. Um.
One of the things that's always bothered me about that
about companies, like pleading poverty, is the idea of corporate
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welfare being championed by the same people who hate individual
welfare and refused to recognize that they are the exact
same thing, at least in principle. If not one seems
a lot better than the other, ending on your stands.
So what that's that's always bugged to me? Explain what
what is corporate welfare. Well, corporate welfare. It's like, um,
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if you give massive tax breaks, I think you're saying,
like a lot of the Oklahoma State House gives tax
breaks to energy companies, like one of the one of
the industries in your state. They might get huge sweetheart
deals and tax breaks and and just all these packages
that they can be given to save money. The state
governments do it to keep companies in their states. The
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federal government does it to promote you know whatever in
the economy. But it amounts to what's what's called corporate welfare.
And it's basically the same thing. It's saying, let's throw
this whole idea of competition out the window, and um, here,
just take this big chunk of taxpayer funded money because
you're in our state and we like you. It's it's welfare.
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It's the same thing is saying, hey, you're down on
your luck and you're a human being and an American.
Um here, take this tiny, meager bit of money and
buy some groceries with it. It's the same yeah, and
it it's funded by the taxpayers and they don't have
a say in that. That. A really sort of public
example of this is that Amazon, Uh did a really
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brilliant thing and like sort of uh, Willy Wonka ized
the competition for where they're gonna put h Q two
their second headquarters. Uh and yeah. And the brilliant thing
about this is is the media is covering it as
like who's gonna get the golden ticket, Who's gonna be
lucky enough to have Amazon's headquarters near corporate teacher? Right,
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But the way that these cities are competing for them
is being like you you won't pay taxes. Basically if
you come here, you won't pay taxes, like like we
will give you everything. Um, and yeah, it's not it's
not going to be good for the citizens necessarily and
probably not very good for them at all. Uh for
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Amazon though, Yeah, Well, you know what's interesting In Georgia,
we had a reverse of recently where Delta came out
and said, you know what, you guys didn't know we
did this unless you were a member of the n
r A. But we used to give discounts to n
r A members and we're gonna we're not gonna do
that anymore. There's not gonna be n r A discounts.
And the Georgia Senate voted to take a tax break
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away from Delta as to punish them basically for for
speaking out or having whatever corporate policy they wanted to have,
which is it was very surprising that they messed with Delta.
There are very few people who were happy that they
did that, um, just because it's like Delta has provides
a lot of jobs in Georgia and Atlanta in particular,
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so to kind of mess with them like that was
was possibly ill advised. Well, there's also even a conversation
of like if this actually may have violated Delta's First
Amendment rights in a very legally roundabout way because technically they,
you know, corporations were deemed to have free speech and
can contribute to campaigns and things like that or elections
and things like that. It's it's weird. And also when
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you think about it, uh, Delta are released like figures
they said only thirteen people use that discount, right, So
I'm sorry, like all that for thirteen people, right right.
They took away like a probably a multimillion dollar text
And we talked about that because its like, yeah, I
think it added up to about fifty million for Delta,
but they already made a hundred fifty million off the
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tax scam or in December, so I think they'll be
okay scam. Yeah, that's the other thing I think about
the state of affairs where we're like, oh, Delta, you know,
like I'm in favor of you getting your tax break.
You know. It's just like like like the bedfellows keep
switching like every thirty seconds here in America these days,
it's it's beyond strange. Yeah, it's it's hard to keep
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up with. That's why you need to listen to a
show like the Daily ZiT Guy Boom. Uh. Yeah. I
agree that there are some promising signs of you know,
resistance and people sort of being shaken awake from their
slumber by the Trump presidency. I'm still just worried about
what happens if America is attacked or if there's so
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like it's been a pretty ordinary uh you know, handful
of years. Obviously there's been tragedies, but if there's an
attack or you know, i've a significant event, as significant
event which he seems to keep teasing and uh like
kind of hoping for, or like a false flag like
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Putin used to seize a bunch of power. The k
the modern KGBU bombed a bunch of buildings and then
used that as an excuse for Putin to like take
away citizens. Right yeah, yeah, that's like, no, that's yeah,
that's I mean, there's a lot there. There's a lot
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of journalism that suggests that it was the basically their
equivalent of like the kgb uh that did the bombings,
and then they blamed it on terrorism. But that that's
just my concern. Like it just every chance he gets,
he seems to suggest that he wants to be like
president for life. Like he does he openly admires strong men, dictators,
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and that that's all very worrying. I'm just you know,
it's great. It's all fun and good when people are
protesting and getting out there, but if something happens and
we can't get out there, Look what happened to this guy?
You have another kid, You come by, and you're worried
about everything. That's right. I think it's gonna be fine. Jack,
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by the way, congratulations, Oh thanks man. I never congratulated
you on air. Congratulations nor off air. It's really really rude.
Well I was like, oh, look who's bad who decided
to come crawling back? Uh? Yeah yeah, But you should
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stay out of this. He's getting messy. All right, we're
gonna take our first break and we'll be right back afterwards.
And we're back and it's time to talk about trade war.
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So Miles explained this trade war to me, what's going on?
President Trump? Threatening? Yeah? So gosh, look, I'm and no
means a financial advisor, economics expert, but this is what
essentially is going down. Last week, Trump basically said he
would be enacting tariffs of twenty unimported steel and ten
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percent on aluminum, and that sent the stock market just
like plummet. It just went crazy because they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
what is this? Because I guess he unilatterally decided that
he's gonna impose these tariffs, so for people don't know it,
terrors just attacks. Right. So he's basically saying, too, I think,
to protect domestic producers of steel and aluminum, you tax
the imported version so by you know, like price comparison,
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the local stuff is cheaper, so then you're gonna use
that and that will help America win. But that's a
form of corporate welfare. Yeah, exactly. Uh. And what's really
interesting is that the rationalization or the way they came
to this decision because right now we're in the midst
of renegotiating like NAFTA, and it seems like suddenly we're
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gonna tax steel, which we import a lot of steel
from Mexico Canada actually, so that's weird. But he's really
aiming in at China as well. Um, but he's China
supposedly uses uh, Mexico and like the NAFTA deal as
a loophole to basically trade US steal through those dump
it in New Mexico. And that's because of the good
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rate student NAFTA they're able to write. And so they're
using this sort of weird, very weird loophole of using
the argument for national security as to why they can
just sort of go and unilaterally change these agreements like
for this like over protectionist sort of stance we're taking.
Um and as if like you know, this isn't really
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a significant national security issue, because like no one at
the State Department, a Department of Defense, or the Treasury,
none of them are like I believe this is true
because they all say like, yeah, the domestic capacity is
We're good, like there's no need for this. But they're
using it as a way to sort of circumvent, uh,
just properly negotiating. And the problem is that it's basically
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going to kick off. Oh so you're gonna put taxes
on our ship. Well, then now we're going to tax
your ship. So you've heard from other countries that like, okay,
well then what if we begin heavily taxing things that
the US exports like whiskey or motorcycles or yeah um,
And like when you think about it, those would hit
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districts that are pretty significant to the GOP, like Harley
Davidson's or Paul Ryan that's right in his neck of
the woods, Kentucky is a huge producer of whiskey. Yeah so,
and Nancy Pelosi would Levis, I think is headquartered up
there in the Bay. So there are a lot of
people who are kind of like, yo, yo, what are
you doing Because clearly many people have tried to reason
with the President saying like it's not just as easy
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as just saying, hey, we're hitting him with these tariffs
and everything's all good. It's like this is all very interconnected.
Like Gary Cohen was trying to say, this can this
can affect our construction uh and other manufacturers because it's
just not the way to do it, and it's gonna
put in jeopardy your stock market streak that you're going on.
And then apparently there's this article in Axios where Trump
kept accusing him of being a globalist. So it's because
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it's gotten very weird, because what you're starting to see
two is like with Rob Porter and Hope Picks, like
a lot of these people actually they look after him
to make sure he was doing the right thing and
also keep kind of crazy people away from him, like
particularly Peter Navarro, who is the director of the Trade
Industrial Policy Or and the director of the White House
National Trade Council, and he's like a Bannonite type guy,
(29:54):
like he comes from that camp. He also wrote a
book called Death by China, Confronting the Dragon Um, and
he's like the kind of person that people like Kelly
and Rob Porter like they did not want to have
near the President because he would just start saying it's crazy,
fucking conspiratorial weird ship and get in his head. And
there was apparently like a huge argument in the Oval
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office about this um where Kelly is still there, but
he appears to be losing hope because he's speculating that
God is punishing him with this job. So it's just
like what the fuck. Uh. Yeah, So it was a
bunch of finger pointing of like, you guys are globalist
Cox and the other guys are like, you don't understand
how like interconnected the like global markets are, and you
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can't just unilaterally do this because on one hand, it
weakens our positions when we want to enter into agreements,
because there's no way that we can follow through with
what we're saying if the president just tweets something the
next day and throws everything out of whack. Right, So
the first thought you have in economy is like, well,
people aren't buying enough of our goods from us internally,
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so we're going to attack the other guys goods. It's
like the very first thought you have. And then you
talk to people who are experts and they're like, well,
but that actually hurts you and only helps, like very
specifically the people who like own those factories, because yeah,
like you said, there's so much interconnection. Uh, you know,
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people who run these companies, like car companies are importing
cheaper steel or aluminum from other countries, and so that's
gonna hurt like car manufacturers and the people who work
in those factories, which are way more than the people
who work and steel, so it has very specific benefits. Um.
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I don't know. This is not the first time I've
been reminded of the Vonnegutt quote. The big trouble with
dumbastards is they're too dumb to believe there's such a
thing as being smart. With Trump, because I feel like
he gets the first idea and thinks he's the first
person to have it, and it's like, no, that's like
the first of twenty ideas people have and then discard
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and go to a better idea. And the last thing
I'd say is just that, you know, the argument that
there is a national security risk, I would just say,
you know, most people think a big part of this huge,
unprecedented period of peace that we've been living through for
the past you know, fifty years, in terms of uh,
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no major countries fighting one another, like not having world wars,
uh not having wars that kill you know, millions and
millions of people. Uh. A lot of people think it's
because of international trade and because you know, why would
we invade China when we can get stuff from them
that they do better than us, and give them stuff
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that we do better than them. So it doesn't benefit
anybody anymore to go to war. But trying to go
back to this sort of isolationist nationalist stance is actually
probably in the long run, much worse for national secure
Have you have you, guys, ever heard of the McDonald's
or the Golden Arches theory of UM global peace. I
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think it's called yeah, yeah, I have. I'm just reading
a bunch of panker over my paternity week, but explain
what that is. So it's basically and it's UM. It's
been discredited now, but it held up for a really
long time, I think until some of the Yugoslavian countries
went at it back in the nineties and the Balkans.
But there was this period where no country that had
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a McDonald's had ever gone to war open war with
another country that had a McDonald's in it. And the
basic idea behind this is that if you had McDonald's,
you had a thriving free trade democracy, a capitalist democracy,
or at the very least you had some form of capitalism.
And the idea was that capitalist societies wanted to make
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money off of other capitalist societies not go to war
with them. So it kind of it kind of under
underscored what you were saying about the idea that free
trade and globalism could conceivably promote peace, at least in
a lot of people's mind. Certainly, it doesn't sound like
Competer Navarro's mind. No, not at all. So, and I
wonder I wonder about him. I'm sorry, one more thing
I wonder about him if he kind of represents that
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whole guard that got Trump elected in the first place,
which is kind of like just tear the whole place
down and start over again. If you are an anti
globalist and you're you know, you have the ear of
the president, uh, you might not care if that there
there will be what you would consider short term harm
that would come from a trade war, especially if it
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it disentrenched America from this kind of global economy that
it's it's a major part of now. Yeah, And that's
why I was saying that I'm reading a lot of Pinker,
Like he just released a book, uh, Enlightenment Now, which
is his follow up to the Better Angels of Our
Nature book that I was talking about a couple of
weeks ago. And you know, his whole stances that like
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when you look at statistic Uh, you know, the world
is becoming vastly more peaceful because of you know, democracy
spreading and international trade and you know what you were
just talking about, Josh, and and because of this narrative
that has been taking hold in many places around the
world that things are getting worse because of the news
we consume, because of you know, the things that we
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say to each other on social media. Uh, we people
think things are getting worse, and there's there is this
idea that nah, fuck it, tear it all down. Things
have gotten so bad, and it's like no progress, progress
is working. It's you know, and it's not. Nothing is perfect.
And I don't want to say, you know, we're we're
where we need to be, but uh, you know, things
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when you look at most problems and compare them to
where those problems where a hundred years ago, uh, things
are just vastly better and even better when you compared
to two hundred years ago. So the frustration reminds of
like when you're a kid and you're building a really
elaborate lego and you misplaced one piece like ten pieces later,
and you're like fuck it, and you smash the whole
(36:05):
thing rather than just going back. It's it's only ten
pieces ago. You don't gotta smash the whole fucking thing.
You can address that. And what's apparently like in this
meeting that I was talking about this Axios article, Trump
just kept like shaming people by calling them globalists throughout
the thing. Like to Rob Porter, he was like, Wow,
I didn't realize you were such a globalist. And what's
interesting is that, like you know, Porter, and I think
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John Kelly and Gary Cohne, they were just kind of
like resigned to the fact that, like, wow, he's just
in like this weird mood. Because the way the adults
in the room, they thought they were going to have
like a sequence of tariffs that would slowly guide the
like the president to the right decision. So they're like,
first they we put tariffs on solar panels and washing
machines like to compete with China, and then like on
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hundreds of Chinese products that were like stealing American intellectual property,
which was like something that was imminent, and then like
an then maybe do the steel and aluminum if if
at that point Trump really thought that he still needs
to slam them on this trade stuff. But I guess
at this point like he's fully committed because he kept
also mentioned like my base needs this, my base needs this.
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And I think when you look at last week what
was going on with Hope Picks leaving, which was a
very close aid to him, and all the terrible press
about Jared and Ivanka, like I think this just sort
of like triggered him going like, oh, here's red meat
for my base without thinking what this actually means. It's
similarly like even with the guns stuff last week, when
he was like take the guns and then do process.
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But he's just he's just, you know, likely the last
thing that he heard. And right right, I mean, maybe
the markets are responding positively today because people are now realizing, oh,
he just says ship, but I can't believe we're still
realizing that year. Like it's like people just can't believe that.
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But it's the case, you know, like, um, he just
says stuff and then he either forgets it or backs
off of it, or maybe doubles down for a little while.
But ultimately what he says five percent of it must
translate into official policy agenda, right, right, That's that's it.
Just like throwaway comments. You know. Yeah, but I guess
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he doesn't realize what effects that can have simply tweeting,
like threatening a tariff, like oh I sent, I sent
the stock market plummeting. I don't know if he doesn't
doesn't realize it. I think he probably gets a bit
of a kick out of it, to tell you the truth, right, Well,
I mean, you know, absolutely, I think he'd hold onto it. Well, yeah,
there's this New York Times profile of him like that
(38:40):
kind of did a survey of his first year and
said that he gets antsie anytime he doesn't see his
name in the headlines for like a he yeah, he
needs this because Hope Picks and Jared and Ivanko were
getting all the shine last week. Yeah, I've spent a
lot of time thinking about sort of that progress thing
I was talking about versus Trump is um because I
wanted to see how this Pinker book was going to
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deal with Trump is um, and I don't think he
does it sufficiently. But Jia Tolentino, who's a New Yorker writer,
really good New York writer. People should google her and
read everything she's written. But she actually summed it up
really well and kind of dovetails with what you were saying.
When I was about the legos, she said, what hurts
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so badly right now, I think is this sense of
unexpected retrenchment, the fear that decades of incremental progress will
be rapidly eradicated by an empty headed demagogue who appears
to be doing everything on a whim um And that
I think sums up how I feel about you know,
the idea of progress as it relates to where we're
(39:43):
at with uh, this guy at the at the moment. Well, look,
the history also teach you a lesson here to trade
wars don't really end well for anybody, right, Like, we
tried that with Canada after the Civil War. We like
ended a reciprocal trade agreement agreement with Canada and to
avoid tariffs, like sixty five American manufacturers just move their
(40:04):
operations to Canada to avoid the tariffs, and like or
even like the Smooth Holly Act in like Oh basically
was putting tariffs on pretty much anything that was imported,
and that was disastrous and it a lot of people
say that they agree that that probably made the Great
Depression a lot worse than it could have been. But
you know, history really isn't important, so forget it. Never mind.
(40:27):
I'm just gonna go to them who has anything to
learn from history, suckers. I was gonna say that that
Lego analogy though so perfect, Miles. The thing is is,
sometimes you want to go smash the legos, but normally
there's an adult there that points out that's not really
a good idea. Here's a better way. It feels like
we're missing the adults. Yeah, there's nobody saying wait, wait, wait,
(40:51):
let's not do this, or that there's not enough people,
or the people who are saying this are not actually
empower um. But there's no adults to to key us
from smashing the legos or to keep that urge, because
it is a pretty understandable urge, that that nihilism when
when things are just this messed up and this polarized,
and there's doesn't seem to be any hope whatsoever for
(41:12):
any kind of resolution to it. Of course you want
to smash the legos, but to have somebody wiser or
even with just a different perspective to say, I know
you want to smash the legos, but don't do it
because you're going to hate yourself later. Here let's just
try this instead. This is a better solution that that
voice is is very much missing right now from from
(41:32):
our world, from America. At least it feels like yeah,
um yeah. And I think with Cone also threatening to
leave over this whole terror thing, that would be the
last of the adults, or at least the seemingly adult
people in that ad is Kelly not an adult. I
don't know he's willing to compromise his dignity and beliefs. Yeah,
(41:54):
he really seems like, man, I don't know when you're
speculating that God is punishing you, I don't know. He's
like this a deep cup. But like, do you remember
Janine Garoffalo's character in The Cable Guy when she worked
at Medieval Times? Uh? Well, anyway, there's a point where
she's like DS for silver ware. She's like, there was
there was no silverware in medieval times. Hence there's no
silverware at medieval times, and Matthew products like there's no silverware,
(42:16):
but they had pepsi and she just looks at him goes,
look I got a lot of tables, man, And that's
kind of John Kelly is at now. It's like, look,
I got a lot of tables, man, like just and all,
just one last thing that also, he's a horrible race.
They're even in the UK right there, trying to tell
Trump this is a bad idea, Like the UK Cabinet
Office minister, who is it, David Liddington. He was even like, yeah,
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you know, we tried that protection and stuff with our
car manufacturers in the sixties and seventies and that actually
didn't work. It protected inefficiencies and we lost all our
export markets because our competitors, who were more competitive, went
out and gobbled those up from us. So everyone's trying
to tell him like, no, no, no, this this isn't
the way to do it. But I guess we'll just
smashed the legos. It was not Liddington, Mr Trump, Uh,
(43:01):
that's an awesome last name. And we're going to take
a quick break and when we come back, we're going
to talk about some Academy Awards. Guess. And we're back
and we are all still riding the high of last
(43:22):
night's Academy Awards. I think I can speak for everyone.
Uh now it's kind of a blah Academy Awards. There
were no huge stakes made, which I guess was what
made the previous years so watchable. Um, you would have
thought that people because last year's was so you know, zeitgeist,
(43:44):
defining that more people would have watched this year because
they didn't want to miss anything. But ratings are apparently
way down and potentially the worst ever, potentially because they
had the same host of last year, and people like
apparently that has some effect, even the same bits like hey,
let's go surprise unsuspecting, let's show how connected we are
(44:09):
to the normal people by firing a hot dog cannon
at their faces. Was like, oh, it smells like when
Kimmel's like, smells like a lot of weed in here,
and she was like, yeah, I know. I thought she
was gonna be like and I'm the police, so you
better be honest. Well, we are thrilled to be joined
also by superproducer Anna Hosnier, who was keeping Anne on
(44:33):
Twitter during Thank You So Much. I was live tweeting, oh,
you were dropped this whole thing, and uh, do you
have any Liddington live tweets that you want to share?
What was the most Liddington Well, there were a few. Um,
Josh frew Linger at JAFRA when Phantom Thread won an
Oscar for costume design, which come on a little a
(44:54):
bit much? Uh, someone tweet beautifully designed costumes. Yeah, but
come on, come, okay okay. At Jfra tweeted, wait, Daniel
day Lewis didn't design the dresses for that movie? What
the funk kind of method actor is he? That really
got me because I said he did actually make one
of the dresses in there, and that was interesting enough
(45:16):
because Sam Neil, you know, our favorite Sam Neil actor,
extraordinair of Jurassic Park fame and everything else he's done,
he tweeted. A week ago, at Daniel day Lewis posted
a photo of himself wearing a three piece suit and
described how he basically, uh like made that entire suit,
and then tweeted, eat your heart out, Daniel day Lewis,
(45:36):
which was just like, why are you clapping it? It
was just very fun. They've always been one and two
in my mind of the great method actors of their generation. Um,
here's another one. At Ali War tweeted, I bet Meryl's
calendar for tonight, just said work thing. Um. Mike Drucker,
(46:00):
who uh comedy writer, tweeted excited to judge celebrities for
every nervous mistake on stage while eating soup with my
hands alone in a darkened room, which I thought was
pretty spot on. How we all just sit around a
live tweet every little thing. We're just sitting alone, Like, um,
I got a utensil? Is soup eating? Is really the
(46:21):
peak sadness for somebody? Miles? You uh summarize the awards well,
I thought this morning when you were saying that it's
not really an entertainment as much as it's an opportunity
to see how Hollywood would like to view itself. Yeah.
I don't even tune in for the show itself anymore
because I don't care. The only thing I care about
(46:42):
is like, what's where is Hollywood at right now? Like
who are they giving awards to? How how much more
socially conscious have they become? Not very much, it seems like,
because I'm only there to be like, look, I don't
care about this ship in between. I just want to know,
like are they Clearly there were some good moments in there,
like some of the performances are great, but really the
stuff to me that I really hang on to, like
who are the awards actually given to? Because nominating is
(47:05):
one thing, but when you know that the Academy itself
is then voting like that. So when Jordan Peele won
for Best Screenplay, was like, okay, cool, cool that this,
this might this this something might be happening. But uh,
I think what this was the for a celebration of
of women in film, there wasn't much awarding to them,
right right, Yeah, they the award show was very pro women,
(47:27):
and they had you know, accusers of Harvey Weinstein come
out and speak out, and that was great. Um, But
in terms of the awards, it was the fewest awards
given to women since two thousand twelve. So on that note,
one uh teen, Vogue writer Gay Burgado tweeted a photo
(47:47):
of Billy Eichner running on the street on his Billy
on the street and the photo says, for one dollar,
name a woman. Um. And then some of the winners
a little problem too, you know, like Gary Oldman got
his oscar, but that's a man who is dealing with
his own allegations of abuse and what was also one
(48:09):
of the most boring except I think I've ever heard.
And also, you know, Kobe Bryant won an Academy Award,
and I guess people just forgot about the ship that
went down in Colorado of fifteen years ago where this
woman accused him of raping her and there was a
lot of evidence that was very troubling, but they settled
(48:29):
out of court and clearly like we have moved on
from that. I have a tweet about Kobe as well.
Roger Sherman tweeted, move over, E got Kobe Bryant is
the first person to ever pull off at l M
F a O, which is the Larry O'Brien Trophy, m
VP Finals, MVP All Star Game, m v P, and oscar. Yeah,
not too bad? What did he win an oscar for
(48:50):
his short film Dear Basketball? So do you remember when
he announced he was retiring and he wrote a poem
about that that was it was like, uh, I'd say
an A minus you know, high school creative writing assignment
level poem where he addressed the game he loves and
(49:11):
talked about like how he loves it and how you know,
challenging it was to leave it behind. Uh, and somebody
you know had made the smart business decision to adapt
that into a into a short film, an animated short film,
and it had a big budget and uh, it ended
up winning for Best Animated Short Uh. And yeah, so
(49:34):
so Kobe got up and accepted an oscar last night.
Uh and the oscar was given to him by b
B eight Right, that whole thing was real awkward. Yeah,
I don't know. And then I mean the the big
winner was the Shape of Water And oh best part
was Garmo checked the car to make sure it's had
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Shape of Water on it before actually grabbed the oscar
because yeah, you gotta after last year, you can't trust
more in Beatty anymore. And I don't know if Trump
was had because Mexican directors are dominating the oscars, like
between him and in your too, like they're winning like
every other fucking year. Yeah, so shout out to Mexico,
send and sending us at their best. I liked to
(50:19):
warn Beatty's whole like over wink wink, nod nod thing,
you know that when he came out to uh to
present it wasn't for Best Picture again. Yeah yeah, yeah,
it was a little much. Yeah, yeah, get it because
we funked it up last year, do you guys get it?
Do over? But I mean, I think what we're talking
(50:39):
about with the Awards show being all about women but
then only six women being awarded was perfectly addressed by
Frances mcdorman's speech when she accepted the Academy Award for
Best Actress and got up and basically said, every woman
who is nominated stand up. They did, and uh, you know,
she was like, Okay, now look around at these women.
(51:02):
Now we want you to actually give us jobs and
help us. We we all have ideas for stories, but like,
don't come up to us and congratulate us at the
party tonight and be like, oh, yeah, we're big fans.
We'd love to work something in. Yeah, pencil something in,
like have us in meetings at your office, like actually,
you know, follow through, put the money on the table,
(51:25):
which is yeah. I think what we were saying and
the call to the industry at large of putting in
inclusion writers in which would basically contractually obligate a production
to hire minorities or women, uh, in whatever way possible.
And I don't know what the specifics would be, but
essentially saying that like stars wouldn't agree to do a
film unless the production itself is dedicated to inclusion. It
(51:46):
was very inside baseball. My mom turned to me and goes,
what's an inclusion writer. I was just like, I don't know,
even in a room full of like l a Hollywood
people yesterday for people took a sing like what inclusion writer?
And then they're like, oh a writer contact is that
her badass biker gang? Um? And and is there is
(52:12):
there another story about the Shape of Water that you'd
like to you really want to talk about that you're
desperate to talk about? So um, this uh company that
makes dildos decided because we all love that sexy sixy
creature from Shape of Water. I mean what seawater? The
(52:38):
from the Sex in the City. Okay, here's my Samantha
from Sex in the City. He's got the funkiest tasting
fun So we met just read the Okay, uh, so
wait they're making dildoways. So a dildo company? What now?
So this dildo companies, you know, cat artifacts they sell
(53:02):
and make like exotic, interesting dildos. They designed a dildo
for the sea creature from Shape of Water and it
look I'm not gonna lie, it is spot on, not
that I know, I mean what I mean, just how
it looks. We'll post the phone expect that it would look. Yeah,
(53:22):
I was I was amazed. I was like, yeah, no,
I could totally see that. Um it's so cold like
his body. Yes, and it's got well you'll have to
go look. I won't describe it to detail, but you know, um,
it's sold out immediately. Um, And so they had to
come out with a whole new ship. Man. I believe
it came out in January fifteen, sold out in like
a few hours. They dropped another one on March three.
(53:45):
I believe it's already sold out because maybe I went
online to get it. I mean, it's not ane of
your business, but how is this not a cottage industry
already where they just make dildos four different movie characters,
like even if they're human characters. If it was like,
you know, this is Tom Harvey from Dunkirk's Jump, like
this here's the Daniel plain View from There will be Blood.
(54:13):
I think I think those will do well. But what
was the development process? Like? So they're just like, well,
this is what we think a sea creatures Penis would
look like. And this company is known for designing um,
like custom silicone dildos that are like they have some
like whale dildos and yeah they have, but my bed,
(54:35):
they're all very well done. So I think they had
a designer come in and you know, just really look
at photos of him and I think, just sculpt what
they really thought it would look like. And it's, like
I said, it's spot on. It looks like it could have.
You know how if you've seen the movie and the
hand motions of all they described it coming out, Yeah,
(54:55):
it like opens up and pops out. I mean, based
on this week and say that he is not a
fish man because fish are broadcast in seminators, right, they
just shoot it out there and it lands on eggs, right.
Uh so what sticks to the wall, right exactly? Um,
so that this proves that the fish man is actually
(55:19):
more of a like whale dolphin human clearly. Uh So
we got to the bottom of that case. So yeah,
the actor Doug Jones, who plays the fish not very
many people know that he was I don't know. He
said he wasn't exactly thrilled because he said, after pouring
my heart, soul, blood, sweat and tears into this romantic, beautiful,
magical role, the last thing I want to be remembered
for is a silicon appendage that comes in two sizes,
(55:41):
which is like understandable but yeah, but don't also take
yourself to seriously, my frend, you didn't have any speaking lines. Yeah.
I think I think he was just you know, being
I think he was kind of caught off caught off guard.
He's actually a great uh. I think he's played monsters
before and he's pretty good. And it's an honor right
that someone went that far to speculate what the character's
(56:04):
penis would look like it was selling out and every
time they would take people's like constructive criticism and perfect it. Yeah,
that's you were saying that there's like a feedback process
with this, dil don't make Also V two was different
than the launch version. Yeah, they like perfected like guess
the like circumferences of the girl that we're really getting
(56:26):
deep into this, But Gilma del Toro came out and
said that it wasn't accurate, So like, I don't know
what when then come out with yours in Guiarmo, like
don't look around, like let the people know. If we're
sucking up the origin story of the member of this character,
(56:48):
then let us know, or else we're going to have
to wildly speculated. Well, Anna, thank you so much for that,
Josh It has been a pleasure having you. Where can
people find you? At my house? Okay? Cool, Well I
won't squander this opportunity. They can find me on Stuff
you Should Know on iTunes at stuff you should Know
(57:10):
dot com. Every Tuesday and Thursday we released a new
episode and thank you for sending me up for that.
And also I didn't get to say this at the beginning, Um,
but thank you very much for having me on today
and let's do this tomorrow. Yeah, hell yeah, it's a thrill.
Like I said to you before, off Mike, Uh, you
guys were the first podcast I ever listened to, and
(57:33):
I've been a big fan for a long time, so
this has been a thrill for me as well. Well
I'm blown away by you guys as well. Like, um, like,
I thought you were seriously like crazy to try this,
you know, a daily basis, and now that I've done it,
you are absolutely crazy. So I'm deeply impressed with you guys. Thanks.
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(57:56):
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Hello the Internet, and welcome to season twenty one, Episode
one of Der Daily Sight Guys. YEA for March fifth,
two thousand eight. Team. My name is Jack O'Brien a K.
Jack is back, said Zack Dad, her dad Dad's gonna
be back. That's courtesy of Zachary Uh. I forgot to
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say a c D c uh courtesy of Zachary on
Twitter and many other people. But I am thrilled to
be once again with my co host, Mr Miles Bread
Different strokes for different folks and so on and so
onnly Scooby doo by Dooby am every great pople. Thank
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you so much because I love slid Stone, So Kellen
Thompson shout out to you for that, sly Ak, and
we are thrilled to be joined in our third seat
by the very funny host of the Stuff You Should
Know podcast with Chuck Bryant. We are joined by Josh Clark. Joh.
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I kind of bungled that it made it. I made
it sound like we were joined by Chuck, but I
joined by Josh. All that Stuff you Should Know is
Stuffy should Know featuring Chuff Bright. Yeah, so I knew that, Josh,
but it is in fact, Josh, right, we're talking to
you and we're thrilled to be talking to him. Guys,
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you guys do your prep. Yeah, yeah right. Uh So, Josh,
what is something you have searched in the not too
distant past that is revealing about who you are as
a humanity? Uh? The thing going through my internet history,
the only thing it revealed is that I'm actually kind
of boring. Um. What I did find is all like
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work related. But luckily the work that I do makes
my Internet search history pretty weird. So I found an
entry for pare gork. Have you guys heard of that
no opium for children that they used to give kids
in the nineteenth century? And the reason I know about
it is because Harriet Tubman used it to drug one
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of the kids that she was smuggling to freedom to
keep it quiet along the journey. Wow, that's that's something
I'm going to have to try my name my new son. Wait,
was it heroin or opiate? Was the same thing? It's
an opiate for children? Yeah, I think it's like kind
of tomato tomato when they're giving it to kid. What
made it like it was just a low dose or
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something that made it suitable for kids or not, like
non legal. There was you know there's a cute picture
of a kid on the bottle too. That was it, right,
so that made it sable. Uh ye, Heroin. There's that
picture on the internet that I don't think is doctor.
That is a bottle that says Heroin on it, and
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it's like being packaged as a as a children's like
cough medicine or something. Yeah, no, no, no, Heroin Heroin is.
It's a brand name from Bear the Beard company, originally Heroin.
Well they did it as like um and alternate, a
non addictive alternative to morphine, right, and then they said,
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oh god, what have we done? After so people start
stealing each other's gigantic bicycles and that big Uh josh,
what's something you think is underrated? Oh? Underrated? Cadberry mini eggs? Interesting? Wait,
so have you have you got a mini egg? So, okay,
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we'll allow me to describe. So the Cadburry mini egg
is it's it's got like this nice candy shell. But
they chose like a nice Matt pastel for the color scheme,
so it's pleasing to look at the size is about right,
so you can just pop them in your mouth over
and over and over again, and they've got a nice crunch,
but then inside it's some really good Cadberry chocolate. That's right. Okay,
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So it's just like a thicker crunch here andy shell
with more blazing color. Right. If you want to dumb
it down, you could say it's like an eminem alright.
I actually really liked those because I have a weird
eminem eating tactic where I like to let the candy
shell melt in my mouth and then proceed to eat
the chocolate. And with the Cadbury ones, the shell is
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so thick. Is the time investment? Right? Yeah, you have
to disciplined if you like to eat like that, or
your eminem's like that. I also, speaking of the Matt finish,
my favorite eminem color growing up was the light brown,
which just seemed like the most delicious color for a
chocolate candy to me. And then they did away with it.
Uh they did so? Yeah, they did a long time ago,
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didn't they. Oh wow, Yeah, but that's been gone for
a while. There's still but it's like a lighter, a
lightish color. But is there a dark dark brown still around? Ye?
Dark still around? But they got rid of They got
rid of the sort of mocha colored eminem and they
never even had it for peanut Eminem's that always bus
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it really said. Okay, Josh, what's something that is overridden?
Well on on the other side of the coin, but
I think is overrated are the Cadburry cream eggs. Wow?
I mean everybody likes everyone likes the Cadburry cream egg right,
Like it's just part of Easter whatever, which, by the way,
Easter now is like concurrent. It begins concurrently with Valentine's Day,
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which is a problem because if you like get into
that Easter candy, you just keep going back and back
over and over again. Yeah, and I think they've probably
planned this out. But um so, Cadburry cream eggs, it's
like a part of Easter. But they also with the
thing no one ever talks about. I don't understand why
we're not talking about this is that they give you
like horrible chemical burn to like they scorch your sinuses
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on the way down. Who wants that from ca? Yes,
many of them. In the TV commercial where the rabbit
is laying the egg, yes, yes, yeah, see that already
put me off as a kid. I was like, this
is so that the rabbits like, and it's like giving
birth to like an egg, because it wasn't. The inside
is supposed to seem like an egg, like had like
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a yolk. It still does. It wasn't. It wasn't past
tense supposed to. It just still and does look like
an egg. And I don't know. I'm for it in
the sense that it's one of the few foods that
when you eat it, it like gets you literally high
from like just the sheer concentration of like liquid sugar
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inside of it. Yeah. Oh, it's just jam packed and
it's like the right size and sort of makeup that
you don't really want to take a half a bite,
so you put the whole thing arm out and just
like yeah, yeah, it's like sushi. It's like this. I'd say,
it's the sushi of of Easter candy I can for you, Miles,
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I would say, or one of your homeless wings. And
I don't um, but yeah, so you get a chemical
burn on the way down. I've not had that. Yeah,
I guess I thought everybody didn't. We were just pretending
it didn't happen because everyone liked the cadberry egg, but
I guess it's just me, so I don't I don't
like them for that reason. I'll still eat him, but
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I don't enjoy it. Now do you get them? Do
you get your Cadberry eggs from like a licensed like
CBS or where are you getting your und What was
he on trial? Right now? Yeah? All right you, I'm
sure you've convinced some people. Uh, And let's get into format, guy,
(07:41):
as we're trying to take a sample of what people
are thinking and talking about right now today at the
moment that we record, and the way we like to
open up is by asking our guests, what is a myth?
What's something that people believe to be true that is
not actually true? Based on your experience, Josh, and I'm
very excited for this one because I feel like you
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have come across all the myths in your time as
the host of stuff You should know. We we've been known,
Chuck and I too have busted a myth or two
here there. Um. The one that I came up with
for today is the myth that ignoring people in public
is rude, like pretending you don't even see somebody in public, right, Okay,
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So so you know especially when people who may maybe
live outside of cities come into cities. One of the
things they always remark is, oh, my gosh, everybody's so rude.
They just don't even make eye contact. And there's this guy,
this social scientist back in the sixties named Irvin Goffman,
and he studied this phenomenon and he concluded that actually
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what was going on was this really intricate dance that
people who live in in cities have kind of developed
as a part of just being a productive member of society,
where you act like the other person's not there, and
what you're really doing is affording a certain measure of
privacy for yourself and for them in places where their
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privacy is extremely scarce, which is why people who don't
live in cities come to the city and don't get this,
because they have tons of privacy, so they like to
interact in public. People who live in like a city
where you're living on top of other people, you don't
have as much privacy, So you pretend that the other
person is not there. It's called civil inattention. It's actually
pretty interesting stuff. Yeah, there's also a practical aspect to it, too, right,
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because you can't if you acknowledged everybody in the city,
you would you would not be able to get anything
like uh. In New York, you quickly learn that you
have to look where you're going, like about six feet
in front of you, at the ground where you're going,
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and people just sort of into it based on that
where you're headed, and like that's how you moved through
the city of New York. You can't if you like
try to look at people in the face, You're just
gonna get into all sorts of awkward things and it's
gonna take you forever to like walk down the city block.
I guess it's true because like when I've gone to
like traveled too smaller towns or or areas that aren't
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is like sort of just sprawling cities. Like when I
went to Eugene, Oregon the first time visiting my friend
who went to you AVO shout out to Chris um I.
I was at a convenience store and I was wearing
a Lakers had and someone's like, hey, so the Lakers, huh,
like they're they're a pretty good team. And I was
so suspicious because in l A you don't talk to anybody.
It's like, let me just get my ship. I'm gonna go.
And I thought he was trying to scam me because
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I was like, Okay, what's the ask here? Yeah, man,
they're a good team, and he's like, yeah, they're doing
pretty well. I was like uh huh, and he's like,
all right, we'll have a good day. And I was
like you too, And I walked out from like such
an asshole because I had. I guess it's weird too.
I wonder if there is some like a phenomenon to
about the defenses that we have just being in cities
too that are just different, that like, you know, when
you're and you you you respond to friendliness of strangers
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in a different way, because I definitely have that, or
maybe that's my social inattention coming into no I think
I think you're right, you know, like when you're you
have to be on guard in the city, even when
you are actively ignoring other people. I think part of
what what Irvan Goffman found was like, we're still ignoring
one another, but we also have like a decent portion
of our awareness and attention peripherally on everybody else because
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there is a chance that somebody's gonna like draw a
knife and come at you, you know. So living in
the city, it's it's uh, it has both of those things,
ignoring people while also being extremely threatened and frightened of
other people. Right, Yeah, I guess I have cruel and
unusual world syndrome. Like you watch the news so much
like that's reality. But actually I loved it though it
made me realize how wired being wired like that in
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the city. Actually it doesn't vibe well with me. I'd
like to be able to be like, oh, everyone's friendly. Yeah,
and now Myles approaches everybody on the street, and that's
really becoming a problem in Hollywood. Hey, I'm getting scammed
a lot. Welcome to Hollywood. Yeah, yeah, you should dress
up as like Batman or something. A lot of people there.
All right, let's get into format, guys. Uh. We wanted
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to start off Miles. I've been gone for a week
and Daddy was gone. I come back, and the first
story you want to talk about is that you think
Donald Trump is actually making America great again. I've had
a change of heart while you were gone. I had
some real interesting guests that didn't actually make it onto air,
just some sside conversations with people I met in Hollywood
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and in terms out Donald Trump is making America great
because I'm just I guess, you know, this is not
an original take, but just the groundswell of of activism
and demonstrations that have been going on from the uh,
you know, the students in Florida to the West Virginia teachers.
You're starting to see that people are really taking their
power very seriously. And I wanted, I just more wanted
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to bring it up in the context of what the
West Virginia teacher strikes. So we talked to about it
last week how they were I think just a week
ago today when Star June was on, she brought it
up how the teachers in West Virginia went on strike
because they're asking for a five percent pay increase and
they were, you know, the governor and the state legislature
were playing hardball, and so they had to go on strike.
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Last week, the governor and the teachers at union made
in agreement. They made a deal that said, okay, let's well,
we'll agree to this five percent. Now, we just need
the State House and States Senate to vote on it.
The State House passed a five percent increase. The States Senate, however,
only passed a four percent increase. So the teachers are like, nah,
that we're going back on strike because we asked for
five percent. Now, one of the reasons why is that
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the states, like the head of the state Senate was
basically saying that you know, we can agreeing to five
percent increase didn't take into account like what the state
is actually bringing in. They're saying, well, we don't really
have that money. Uh, and they should actually, you know,
they're actually making a bad example to students because they're
getting eight percent of their demands, so they need to
show what compromises without really acknowledging that these teachers have
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been compromising for years. So now they The strike continues
and and hopefully it will end soon. But a lot
of people, especially in West Virginia, like why don't rather
than giving huge tax breaks to the energy sector, mostly coal. Uh,
you know you can, you can roll some of that
back and actually put money back into our pockets. Because
this is sort of the methodology that these state houses uses.
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They give tax cuts away, and this applies to all governments.
They'll give tax cuts away or tax breaks two people,
and then they make up for the money by taking
stuff out of like public sector good or or teachers
or the education system. So this is just kind of
interesting to see because the teachers are are are seeing
how the state is prioritizing sort of corporate profit over
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the own well being of the children in their state. Uh,
and they're taking action. And what's crazy now is that
this is starting to spread. So in Oklahoma, Uh, they
they seem to be planning another there a strike as
well for the teachers there because they haven't had i
think a pay rise like ten years, and that state
legislature to they're giving, you know, some breaks away to
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some of the oil producers, uh, people who are causing earthquakes,
so they are you know, it's just interesting to see
that now we have teachers to who are really taking
it by the reins and like looking out for themselves
and not only themselves, but for the students because at
the end of the day, you want teachers who are
happy doing their job. And a lot of becoming a
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teacher isn't easy, you know, like you have you take
on student debt to to to be a fully you know,
accredited teacher and being paid nothing. It wears on you
and you want to be able to focus on your
on your students and be able to you know, enrich
their lives. So it's just it's it's it's a great
thing to see now of all these people just kind
of taking the power back. Yeah, And when we were
having the tax debate, there were there were conversations about
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how a lot of teachers end up spending money out
of their own pocket for school supplies because funding has
been so drastically cut in recent years, because public education
has sort of fallen and out of favor. And now
the new thing is like, well, guess what alongside being
underpaid and being you know, crushed under healthcare, cause we
want also we want you to learn how to shoot
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a gun, like WHOA, come on now, don't just pile
on the responsibilities like that. So also another thing too
is we'll add a link because the thing about these
two states, especially in Oklahoma and West Virginia, those states
specifically prohibit public sector workers from going on strike at all,
so there's no strike pay. These people are just depleting
their own funds to take a stand for what's right,
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and you know, I think they're there. This is a
cause that's worth helping. We'll attach a link to um
our footnotes today, so you can find out how you
can contribute to the strike fund West Virginia. I don't
know if there's one for Oklahoma yet, but yeah, these teachers,
they're they're losing money even trying to get fair pay,
so yes, we should help them out. Yeah, my education
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began in West Virginia public schools actually willing West Virginia
through second grade. Uh, And what was like that? It
was great as far as I know, I was. I
wasn't like the most critic saying that I was seven
and had never been to another school before and an
hooked on paragoric. Yes, not to mention, um, you're like, yeah,
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ms Connors, are you satisfied with your wages? I'll go
back to yeah. Um yeah, Just a couple of things
that occurred to me during that one. Josh, have you
guys talked about the man made earthquakes and Oklahoma on
stuff you should know? Is it from fracking? Yeah, we've
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talked about him from like building reservoirs and stuff, and
I think I'm sure we talked about it in the
fracking episode, but yeah, I'm familiar. That's so crazy, man,
That's like, yeah, if you think about it, like the
Earth is kind of pretty densely compact. The mantel is
and if you start messing with it, of course it's
gonna it's gonna punch back. It's the Earth. It's does
(17:57):
it takes no, it takes no crap. There's a great
uh yeah, that's true about the Earth. We're starting to
see that. There's a great sixty minutes uh where they
just covered all all of the earthquakes and they show
a graph in the in the segment and it's just
it was like zero earthquakes to like five hundred earthquakes
in the previous year. Uh, you know, zero earthquakes like
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back in the eighties before they start cracking because energy companies, Yeah,
energy companies find a way to uh you know, be like,
well we disagree with this analysis. Well we think too
many illegal immigrants live on that side of town, right,
and they're throwing the balance off. Another thing, companies are
really good at that. Uh you're kind of description of
the West Virginia situation reminded me of companies are great
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at pretending they don't have money. That's something you learned
in the entertainment industry that I wasn't aware of, Like, uh,
you know, before I became an adult, and I know
we have a lot of listeners who aren't yet adults. Like,
companies are great at, you know, projecting earnings and like,
you know, having really rosie projections for how much money
they're gonna make. But then when it comes time to
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pay you, when it comes time to decide how much
they owe the people who work for them, that they
suddenly have like these really ingenious ways of accounting that
make it seem like we were out of money. I
don't know what we can do. Um, here have this
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exposure instead. Exactly, we'll pay you an exposure, right, See,
this is good for your career as a teacher. Have
you thought about exposure pay? Got got that CNN interview. Um.
One of the things that's always bothered me about that
about companies, like pleading poverty, is the idea of corporate
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welfare being championed by the same people who hate individual
welfare and refused to recognize that they are the exact
same thing, at least in principle. If not one seems
a lot better than the other, ending on your stands.
So what that's that's always bugged to me? Explain what
what is corporate welfare. Well, corporate welfare. It's like, um,
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if you give massive tax breaks, I think you're saying,
like a lot of the Oklahoma State House gives tax
breaks to energy companies, like one of the one of
the industries in your state. They might get huge sweetheart
deals and tax breaks and and just all these packages
that they can be given to save money. The state
governments do it to keep companies in their states. The
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federal government does it to promote you know whatever in
the economy. But it amounts to what's what's called corporate welfare.
And it's basically the same thing. It's saying, let's throw
this whole idea of competition out the window, and um, here,
just take this big chunk of taxpayer funded money because
you're in our state and we like you. It's it's welfare.
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It's the same thing is saying, hey, you're down on
your luck and you're a human being and an American.
Um here, take this tiny, meager bit of money and
buy some groceries with it. It's the same yeah, and
it it's funded by the taxpayers and they don't have
a say in that. That. A really sort of public
example of this is that Amazon, Uh did a really
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brilliant thing and like sort of uh, Willy Wonka ized
the competition for where they're gonna put h Q two
their second headquarters. Uh and yeah. And the brilliant thing
about this is is the media is covering it as
like who's gonna get the golden ticket, Who's gonna be
lucky enough to have Amazon's headquarters near corporate teacher? Right,
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But the way that these cities are competing for them
is being like you you won't pay taxes. Basically if
you come here, you won't pay taxes, like like we
will give you everything. Um, and yeah, it's not it's
not going to be good for the citizens necessarily and
probably not very good for them at all. Uh for
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Amazon though, Yeah, Well, you know what's interesting In Georgia,
we had a reverse of recently where Delta came out
and said, you know what, you guys didn't know we
did this unless you were a member of the n
r A. But we used to give discounts to n
r A members and we're gonna we're not gonna do
that anymore. There's not gonna be n r A discounts.
And the Georgia Senate voted to take a tax break
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away from Delta as to punish them basically for for
speaking out or having whatever corporate policy they wanted to have,
which is it was very surprising that they messed with Delta.
There are very few people who were happy that they
did that, um, just because it's like Delta has provides
a lot of jobs in Georgia and Atlanta in particular,
(22:39):
so to kind of mess with them like that was
was possibly ill advised. Well, there's also even a conversation
of like if this actually may have violated Delta's First
Amendment rights in a very legally roundabout way because technically they,
you know, corporations were deemed to have free speech and
can contribute to campaigns and things like that or elections
and things like that. It's it's weird. And also when
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you think about it, uh, Delta are released like figures
they said only thirteen people use that discount, right, So
I'm sorry, like all that for thirteen people, right right.
They took away like a probably a multimillion dollar text
And we talked about that because its like, yeah, I
think it added up to about fifty million for Delta,
but they already made a hundred fifty million off the
(23:20):
tax scam or in December, so I think they'll be
okay scam. Yeah, that's the other thing I think about
the state of affairs where we're like, oh, Delta, you know,
like I'm in favor of you getting your tax break.
You know. It's just like like like the bedfellows keep
switching like every thirty seconds here in America these days,
it's it's beyond strange. Yeah, it's it's hard to keep
(23:42):
up with. That's why you need to listen to a
show like the Daily ZiT Guy Boom. Uh. Yeah. I
agree that there are some promising signs of you know,
resistance and people sort of being shaken awake from their
slumber by the Trump presidency. I'm still just worried about
what happens if America is attacked or if there's so
(24:03):
like it's been a pretty ordinary uh you know, handful
of years. Obviously there's been tragedies, but if there's an
attack or you know, i've a significant event, as significant
event which he seems to keep teasing and uh like
kind of hoping for, or like a false flag like
(24:24):
Putin used to seize a bunch of power. The k
the modern KGBU bombed a bunch of buildings and then
used that as an excuse for Putin to like take
away citizens. Right yeah, yeah, that's like, no, that's yeah,
that's I mean, there's a lot there. There's a lot
(24:47):
of journalism that suggests that it was the basically their
equivalent of like the kgb uh that did the bombings,
and then they blamed it on terrorism. But that that's
just my concern. Like it just every chance he gets,
he seems to suggest that he wants to be like
president for life. Like he does he openly admires strong men, dictators,
(25:11):
and that that's all very worrying. I'm just you know,
it's great. It's all fun and good when people are
protesting and getting out there, but if something happens and
we can't get out there, Look what happened to this guy?
You have another kid, You come by, and you're worried
about everything. That's right. I think it's gonna be fine. Jack,
(25:31):
by the way, congratulations, Oh thanks man. I never congratulated
you on air. Congratulations nor off air. It's really really rude.
Well I was like, oh, look who's bad who decided
to come crawling back? Uh? Yeah yeah, But you should
(25:53):
stay out of this. He's getting messy. All right, we're
gonna take our first break and we'll be right back afterwards.
And we're back and it's time to talk about trade war.
(26:18):
So Miles explained this trade war to me, what's going on?
President Trump? Threatening? Yeah? So gosh, look, I'm and no
means a financial advisor, economics expert, but this is what
essentially is going down. Last week, Trump basically said he
would be enacting tariffs of twenty unimported steel and ten
(26:40):
percent on aluminum, and that sent the stock market just
like plummet. It just went crazy because they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
what is this? Because I guess he unilatterally decided that
he's gonna impose these tariffs, so for people don't know it,
terrors just attacks. Right. So he's basically saying, too, I think,
to protect domestic producers of steel and aluminum, you tax
the imported version so by you know, like price comparison,
(27:03):
the local stuff is cheaper, so then you're gonna use
that and that will help America win. But that's a
form of corporate welfare. Yeah, exactly. Uh. And what's really
interesting is that the rationalization or the way they came
to this decision because right now we're in the midst
of renegotiating like NAFTA, and it seems like suddenly we're
(27:25):
gonna tax steel, which we import a lot of steel
from Mexico Canada actually, so that's weird. But he's really
aiming in at China as well. Um, but he's China
supposedly uses uh, Mexico and like the NAFTA deal as
a loophole to basically trade US steal through those dump
it in New Mexico. And that's because of the good
(27:45):
rate student NAFTA they're able to write. And so they're
using this sort of weird, very weird loophole of using
the argument for national security as to why they can
just sort of go and unilaterally change these agreements like
for this like over protectionist sort of stance we're taking.
Um and as if like you know, this isn't really
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a significant national security issue, because like no one at
the State Department, a Department of Defense, or the Treasury,
none of them are like I believe this is true
because they all say like, yeah, the domestic capacity is
We're good, like there's no need for this. But they're
using it as a way to sort of circumvent, uh,
just properly negotiating. And the problem is that it's basically
(28:26):
going to kick off. Oh so you're gonna put taxes
on our ship. Well, then now we're going to tax
your ship. So you've heard from other countries that like, okay,
well then what if we begin heavily taxing things that
the US exports like whiskey or motorcycles or yeah um,
And like when you think about it, those would hit
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districts that are pretty significant to the GOP, like Harley
Davidson's or Paul Ryan that's right in his neck of
the woods, Kentucky is a huge producer of whiskey. Yeah so,
and Nancy Pelosi would Levis, I think is headquartered up
there in the Bay. So there are a lot of
people who are kind of like, yo, yo, what are
you doing Because clearly many people have tried to reason
with the President saying like it's not just as easy
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as just saying, hey, we're hitting him with these tariffs
and everything's all good. It's like this is all very interconnected.
Like Gary Cohen was trying to say, this can this
can affect our construction uh and other manufacturers because it's
just not the way to do it, and it's gonna
put in jeopardy your stock market streak that you're going on.
And then apparently there's this article in Axios where Trump
kept accusing him of being a globalist. So it's because
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it's gotten very weird, because what you're starting to see
two is like with Rob Porter and Hope Picks, like
a lot of these people actually they look after him
to make sure he was doing the right thing and
also keep kind of crazy people away from him, like
particularly Peter Navarro, who is the director of the Trade
Industrial Policy Or and the director of the White House
National Trade Council, and he's like a Bannonite type guy,
(29:54):
like he comes from that camp. He also wrote a
book called Death by China, Confronting the Dragon Um, and
he's like the kind of person that people like Kelly
and Rob Porter like they did not want to have
near the President because he would just start saying it's crazy,
fucking conspiratorial weird ship and get in his head. And
there was apparently like a huge argument in the Oval
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office about this um where Kelly is still there, but
he appears to be losing hope because he's speculating that
God is punishing him with this job. So it's just
like what the fuck. Uh. Yeah, So it was a
bunch of finger pointing of like, you guys are globalist
Cox and the other guys are like, you don't understand
how like interconnected the like global markets are, and you
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can't just unilaterally do this because on one hand, it
weakens our positions when we want to enter into agreements,
because there's no way that we can follow through with
what we're saying if the president just tweets something the
next day and throws everything out of whack. Right, So
the first thought you have in economy is like, well,
people aren't buying enough of our goods from us internally,
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so we're going to attack the other guys goods. It's
like the very first thought you have. And then you
talk to people who are experts and they're like, well,
but that actually hurts you and only helps, like very
specifically the people who like own those factories, because yeah,
like you said, there's so much interconnection. Uh, you know,
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people who run these companies, like car companies are importing
cheaper steel or aluminum from other countries, and so that's
gonna hurt like car manufacturers and the people who work
in those factories, which are way more than the people
who work and steel, so it has very specific benefits. Um.
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I don't know. This is not the first time I've
been reminded of the Vonnegutt quote. The big trouble with
dumbastards is they're too dumb to believe there's such a
thing as being smart. With Trump, because I feel like
he gets the first idea and thinks he's the first
person to have it, and it's like, no, that's like
the first of twenty ideas people have and then discard
(32:02):
and go to a better idea. And the last thing
I'd say is just that, you know, the argument that
there is a national security risk, I would just say,
you know, most people think a big part of this huge,
unprecedented period of peace that we've been living through for
the past you know, fifty years, in terms of uh,
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no major countries fighting one another, like not having world wars,
uh not having wars that kill you know, millions and
millions of people. Uh. A lot of people think it's
because of international trade and because you know, why would
we invade China when we can get stuff from them
that they do better than us, and give them stuff
(32:44):
that we do better than them. So it doesn't benefit
anybody anymore to go to war. But trying to go
back to this sort of isolationist nationalist stance is actually
probably in the long run, much worse for national secure
Have you have you, guys, ever heard of the McDonald's
or the Golden Arches theory of UM global peace. I
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think it's called yeah, yeah, I have. I'm just reading
a bunch of panker over my paternity week, but explain
what that is. So it's basically and it's UM. It's
been discredited now, but it held up for a really
long time, I think until some of the Yugoslavian countries
went at it back in the nineties and the Balkans.
But there was this period where no country that had
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a McDonald's had ever gone to war open war with
another country that had a McDonald's in it. And the
basic idea behind this is that if you had McDonald's,
you had a thriving free trade democracy, a capitalist democracy,
or at the very least you had some form of capitalism.
And the idea was that capitalist societies wanted to make
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money off of other capitalist societies not go to war
with them. So it kind of it kind of under
underscored what you were saying about the idea that free
trade and globalism could conceivably promote peace, at least in
a lot of people's mind. Certainly, it doesn't sound like
Competer Navarro's mind. No, not at all. So, and I
wonder I wonder about him. I'm sorry, one more thing
I wonder about him if he kind of represents that
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whole guard that got Trump elected in the first place,
which is kind of like just tear the whole place
down and start over again. If you are an anti
globalist and you're you know, you have the ear of
the president, uh, you might not care if that there
there will be what you would consider short term harm
that would come from a trade war, especially if it
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it disentrenched America from this kind of global economy that
it's it's a major part of now. Yeah, And that's
why I was saying that I'm reading a lot of Pinker,
Like he just released a book, uh, Enlightenment Now, which
is his follow up to the Better Angels of Our
Nature book that I was talking about a couple of
weeks ago. And you know, his whole stances that like
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when you look at statistic Uh, you know, the world
is becoming vastly more peaceful because of you know, democracy
spreading and international trade and you know what you were
just talking about, Josh, and and because of this narrative
that has been taking hold in many places around the
world that things are getting worse because of the news
we consume, because of you know, the things that we
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say to each other on social media. Uh, we people
think things are getting worse, and there's there is this
idea that nah, fuck it, tear it all down. Things
have gotten so bad, and it's like no progress, progress
is working. It's you know, and it's not. Nothing is perfect.
And I don't want to say, you know, we're we're
where we need to be, but uh, you know, things
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when you look at most problems and compare them to
where those problems where a hundred years ago, uh, things
are just vastly better and even better when you compared
to two hundred years ago. So the frustration reminds of
like when you're a kid and you're building a really
elaborate lego and you misplaced one piece like ten pieces later,
and you're like fuck it, and you smash the whole
(36:05):
thing rather than just going back. It's it's only ten
pieces ago. You don't gotta smash the whole fucking thing.
You can address that. And what's apparently like in this
meeting that I was talking about this Axios article, Trump
just kept like shaming people by calling them globalists throughout
the thing. Like to Rob Porter, he was like, Wow,
I didn't realize you were such a globalist. And what's
interesting is that, like you know, Porter, and I think
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John Kelly and Gary Cohne, they were just kind of
like resigned to the fact that, like, wow, he's just
in like this weird mood. Because the way the adults
in the room, they thought they were going to have
like a sequence of tariffs that would slowly guide the
like the president to the right decision. So they're like,
first they we put tariffs on solar panels and washing
machines like to compete with China, and then like on
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hundreds of Chinese products that were like stealing American intellectual property,
which was like something that was imminent, and then like
an then maybe do the steel and aluminum if if
at that point Trump really thought that he still needs
to slam them on this trade stuff. But I guess
at this point like he's fully committed because he kept
also mentioned like my base needs this, my base needs this.
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And I think when you look at last week what
was going on with Hope Picks leaving, which was a
very close aid to him, and all the terrible press
about Jared and Ivanka, like I think this just sort
of like triggered him going like, oh, here's red meat
for my base without thinking what this actually means. It's
similarly like even with the guns stuff last week, when
he was like take the guns and then do process.
(37:34):
But he's just he's just, you know, likely the last
thing that he heard. And right right, I mean, maybe
the markets are responding positively today because people are now realizing, oh,
he just says ship, but I can't believe we're still
realizing that year. Like it's like people just can't believe that.
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But it's the case, you know, like, um, he just
says stuff and then he either forgets it or backs
off of it, or maybe doubles down for a little while.
But ultimately what he says five percent of it must
translate into official policy agenda, right, right, That's that's it.
Just like throwaway comments. You know. Yeah, but I guess
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he doesn't realize what effects that can have simply tweeting,
like threatening a tariff, like oh I sent, I sent
the stock market plummeting. I don't know if he doesn't
doesn't realize it. I think he probably gets a bit
of a kick out of it, to tell you the truth, right, Well,
I mean, you know, absolutely, I think he'd hold onto it. Well, yeah,
there's this New York Times profile of him like that
(38:40):
kind of did a survey of his first year and
said that he gets antsie anytime he doesn't see his
name in the headlines for like a he yeah, he
needs this because Hope Picks and Jared and Ivanko were
getting all the shine last week. Yeah, I've spent a
lot of time thinking about sort of that progress thing
I was talking about versus Trump is um because I
wanted to see how this Pinker book was going to
(39:02):
deal with Trump is um, and I don't think he
does it sufficiently. But Jia Tolentino, who's a New Yorker writer,
really good New York writer. People should google her and
read everything she's written. But she actually summed it up
really well and kind of dovetails with what you were saying.
When I was about the legos, she said, what hurts
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so badly right now, I think is this sense of
unexpected retrenchment, the fear that decades of incremental progress will
be rapidly eradicated by an empty headed demagogue who appears
to be doing everything on a whim um And that
I think sums up how I feel about you know,
the idea of progress as it relates to where we're
(39:43):
at with uh, this guy at the at the moment. Well, look,
the history also teach you a lesson here to trade
wars don't really end well for anybody, right, Like, we
tried that with Canada after the Civil War. We like
ended a reciprocal trade agreement agreement with Canada and to
avoid tariffs, like sixty five American manufacturers just move their
(40:04):
operations to Canada to avoid the tariffs, and like or
even like the Smooth Holly Act in like Oh basically
was putting tariffs on pretty much anything that was imported,
and that was disastrous and it a lot of people
say that they agree that that probably made the Great
Depression a lot worse than it could have been. But
you know, history really isn't important, so forget it. Never mind.
(40:27):
I'm just gonna go to them who has anything to
learn from history, suckers. I was gonna say that that
Lego analogy though so perfect, Miles. The thing is is,
sometimes you want to go smash the legos, but normally
there's an adult there that points out that's not really
a good idea. Here's a better way. It feels like
we're missing the adults. Yeah, there's nobody saying wait, wait, wait,
(40:51):
let's not do this, or that there's not enough people,
or the people who are saying this are not actually
empower um. But there's no adults to to key us
from smashing the legos or to keep that urge, because
it is a pretty understandable urge, that that nihilism when
when things are just this messed up and this polarized,
and there's doesn't seem to be any hope whatsoever for
(41:12):
any kind of resolution to it. Of course you want
to smash the legos, but to have somebody wiser or
even with just a different perspective to say, I know
you want to smash the legos, but don't do it
because you're going to hate yourself later. Here let's just
try this instead. This is a better solution that that
voice is is very much missing right now from from
(41:32):
our world, from America. At least it feels like yeah,
um yeah. And I think with Cone also threatening to
leave over this whole terror thing, that would be the
last of the adults, or at least the seemingly adult
people in that ad is Kelly not an adult. I
don't know he's willing to compromise his dignity and beliefs. Yeah,
(41:54):
he really seems like, man, I don't know when you're
speculating that God is punishing you, I don't know. He's
like this a deep cup. But like, do you remember
Janine Garoffalo's character in The Cable Guy when she worked
at Medieval Times? Uh? Well, anyway, there's a point where
she's like DS for silver ware. She's like, there was
there was no silverware in medieval times. Hence there's no
silverware at medieval times, and Matthew products like there's no silverware,
(42:16):
but they had pepsi and she just looks at him goes,
look I got a lot of tables, man, And that's
kind of John Kelly is at now. It's like, look,
I got a lot of tables, man, like just and all,
just one last thing that also, he's a horrible race.
They're even in the UK right there, trying to tell
Trump this is a bad idea, Like the UK Cabinet
Office minister, who is it, David Liddington. He was even like, yeah,
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you know, we tried that protection and stuff with our
car manufacturers in the sixties and seventies and that actually
didn't work. It protected inefficiencies and we lost all our
export markets because our competitors, who were more competitive, went
out and gobbled those up from us. So everyone's trying
to tell him like, no, no, no, this this isn't
the way to do it. But I guess we'll just
smashed the legos. It was not Liddington, Mr Trump, Uh,
(43:01):
that's an awesome last name. And we're going to take
a quick break and when we come back, we're going
to talk about some Academy Awards. Guess. And we're back
and we are all still riding the high of last
(43:22):
night's Academy Awards. I think I can speak for everyone.
Uh now it's kind of a blah Academy Awards. There
were no huge stakes made, which I guess was what
made the previous years so watchable. Um, you would have
thought that people because last year's was so you know, zeitgeist,
(43:44):
defining that more people would have watched this year because
they didn't want to miss anything. But ratings are apparently
way down and potentially the worst ever, potentially because they
had the same host of last year, and people like
apparently that has some effect, even the same bits like hey,
let's go surprise unsuspecting, let's show how connected we are
(44:09):
to the normal people by firing a hot dog cannon
at their faces. Was like, oh, it smells like when
Kimmel's like, smells like a lot of weed in here,
and she was like, yeah, I know. I thought she
was gonna be like and I'm the police, so you
better be honest. Well, we are thrilled to be joined
also by superproducer Anna Hosnier, who was keeping Anne on
(44:33):
Twitter during Thank You So Much. I was live tweeting, oh,
you were dropped this whole thing, and uh, do you
have any Liddington live tweets that you want to share?
What was the most Liddington Well, there were a few. Um,
Josh frew Linger at JAFRA when Phantom Thread won an
Oscar for costume design, which come on a little a
(44:54):
bit much? Uh, someone tweet beautifully designed costumes. Yeah, but
come on, come, okay okay. At Jfra tweeted, wait, Daniel
day Lewis didn't design the dresses for that movie? What
the funk kind of method actor is he? That really
got me because I said he did actually make one
of the dresses in there, and that was interesting enough
(45:16):
because Sam Neil, you know, our favorite Sam Neil actor,
extraordinair of Jurassic Park fame and everything else he's done,
he tweeted. A week ago, at Daniel day Lewis posted
a photo of himself wearing a three piece suit and
described how he basically, uh like made that entire suit,
and then tweeted, eat your heart out, Daniel day Lewis,
(45:36):
which was just like, why are you clapping it? It
was just very fun. They've always been one and two
in my mind of the great method actors of their generation. Um,
here's another one. At Ali War tweeted, I bet Meryl's
calendar for tonight, just said work thing. Um. Mike Drucker,
(46:00):
who uh comedy writer, tweeted excited to judge celebrities for
every nervous mistake on stage while eating soup with my
hands alone in a darkened room, which I thought was
pretty spot on. How we all just sit around a
live tweet every little thing. We're just sitting alone, Like, um,
I got a utensil? Is soup eating? Is really the
(46:21):
peak sadness for somebody? Miles? You uh summarize the awards well,
I thought this morning when you were saying that it's
not really an entertainment as much as it's an opportunity
to see how Hollywood would like to view itself. Yeah.
I don't even tune in for the show itself anymore
because I don't care. The only thing I care about
(46:42):
is like, what's where is Hollywood at right now? Like
who are they giving awards to? How how much more
socially conscious have they become? Not very much, it seems like,
because I'm only there to be like, look, I don't
care about this ship in between. I just want to know,
like are they Clearly there were some good moments in there,
like some of the performances are great, but really the
stuff to me that I really hang on to, like
who are the awards actually given to? Because nominating is
(47:05):
one thing, but when you know that the Academy itself
is then voting like that. So when Jordan Peele won
for Best Screenplay, was like, okay, cool, cool that this,
this might this this something might be happening. But uh,
I think what this was the for a celebration of
of women in film, there wasn't much awarding to them,
right right, Yeah, they the award show was very pro women,
(47:27):
and they had you know, accusers of Harvey Weinstein come
out and speak out, and that was great. Um, But
in terms of the awards, it was the fewest awards
given to women since two thousand twelve. So on that note,
one uh teen, Vogue writer Gay Burgado tweeted a photo
(47:47):
of Billy Eichner running on the street on his Billy
on the street and the photo says, for one dollar,
name a woman. Um. And then some of the winners
a little problem too, you know, like Gary Oldman got
his oscar, but that's a man who is dealing with
his own allegations of abuse and what was also one
(48:09):
of the most boring except I think I've ever heard.
And also, you know, Kobe Bryant won an Academy Award,
and I guess people just forgot about the ship that
went down in Colorado of fifteen years ago where this
woman accused him of raping her and there was a
lot of evidence that was very troubling, but they settled
(48:29):
out of court and clearly like we have moved on
from that. I have a tweet about Kobe as well.
Roger Sherman tweeted, move over, E got Kobe Bryant is
the first person to ever pull off at l M
F a O, which is the Larry O'Brien Trophy, m
VP Finals, MVP All Star Game, m v P, and oscar. Yeah,
not too bad? What did he win an oscar for
(48:50):
his short film Dear Basketball? So do you remember when
he announced he was retiring and he wrote a poem
about that that was it was like, uh, I'd say
an A minus you know, high school creative writing assignment
level poem where he addressed the game he loves and
(49:11):
talked about like how he loves it and how you know,
challenging it was to leave it behind. Uh, and somebody
you know had made the smart business decision to adapt
that into a into a short film, an animated short film,
and it had a big budget and uh, it ended
up winning for Best Animated Short Uh. And yeah, so
(49:34):
so Kobe got up and accepted an oscar last night.
Uh and the oscar was given to him by b
B eight Right, that whole thing was real awkward. Yeah,
I don't know. And then I mean the the big
winner was the Shape of Water And oh best part
was Garmo checked the car to make sure it's had
(49:58):
Shape of Water on it before actually grabbed the oscar
because yeah, you gotta after last year, you can't trust
more in Beatty anymore. And I don't know if Trump
was had because Mexican directors are dominating the oscars, like
between him and in your too, like they're winning like
every other fucking year. Yeah, so shout out to Mexico,
send and sending us at their best. I liked to
(50:19):
warn Beatty's whole like over wink wink, nod nod thing,
you know that when he came out to uh to
present it wasn't for Best Picture again. Yeah yeah, yeah,
it was a little much. Yeah, yeah, get it because
we funked it up last year, do you guys get it?
Do over? But I mean, I think what we're talking
(50:39):
about with the Awards show being all about women but
then only six women being awarded was perfectly addressed by
Frances mcdorman's speech when she accepted the Academy Award for
Best Actress and got up and basically said, every woman
who is nominated stand up. They did, and uh, you know,
she was like, Okay, now look around at these women.
(51:02):
Now we want you to actually give us jobs and
help us. We we all have ideas for stories, but like,
don't come up to us and congratulate us at the
party tonight and be like, oh, yeah, we're big fans.
We'd love to work something in. Yeah, pencil something in,
like have us in meetings at your office, like actually,
you know, follow through, put the money on the table,
(51:25):
which is yeah. I think what we were saying and
the call to the industry at large of putting in
inclusion writers in which would basically contractually obligate a production
to hire minorities or women, uh, in whatever way possible.
And I don't know what the specifics would be, but
essentially saying that like stars wouldn't agree to do a
film unless the production itself is dedicated to inclusion. It
(51:46):
was very inside baseball. My mom turned to me and goes,
what's an inclusion writer. I was just like, I don't know,
even in a room full of like l a Hollywood
people yesterday for people took a sing like what inclusion writer?
And then they're like, oh a writer contact is that
her badass biker gang? Um? And and is there is
(52:12):
there another story about the Shape of Water that you'd
like to you really want to talk about that you're
desperate to talk about? So um, this uh company that
makes dildos decided because we all love that sexy sixy
creature from Shape of Water. I mean what seawater? The
(52:38):
from the Sex in the City. Okay, here's my Samantha
from Sex in the City. He's got the funkiest tasting
fun So we met just read the Okay, uh, so
wait they're making dildoways. So a dildo company? What now?
So this dildo companies, you know, cat artifacts they sell
(53:02):
and make like exotic, interesting dildos. They designed a dildo
for the sea creature from Shape of Water and it
look I'm not gonna lie, it is spot on, not
that I know, I mean what I mean, just how
it looks. We'll post the phone expect that it would look. Yeah,
(53:22):
I was I was amazed. I was like, yeah, no,
I could totally see that. Um it's so cold like
his body. Yes, and it's got well you'll have to
go look. I won't describe it to detail, but you know, um,
it's sold out immediately. Um, And so they had to
come out with a whole new ship. Man. I believe
it came out in January fifteen, sold out in like
a few hours. They dropped another one on March three.
(53:45):
I believe it's already sold out because maybe I went
online to get it. I mean, it's not ane of
your business, but how is this not a cottage industry
already where they just make dildos four different movie characters,
like even if they're human characters. If it was like,
you know, this is Tom Harvey from Dunkirk's Jump, like
this here's the Daniel plain View from There will be Blood.
(54:13):
I think I think those will do well. But what
was the development process? Like? So they're just like, well,
this is what we think a sea creatures Penis would
look like. And this company is known for designing um,
like custom silicone dildos that are like they have some
like whale dildos and yeah they have, but my bed,
(54:35):
they're all very well done. So I think they had
a designer come in and you know, just really look
at photos of him and I think, just sculpt what
they really thought it would look like. And it's, like
I said, it's spot on. It looks like it could have.
You know how if you've seen the movie and the
hand motions of all they described it coming out, Yeah,
(54:55):
it like opens up and pops out. I mean, based
on this week and say that he is not a
fish man because fish are broadcast in seminators, right, they
just shoot it out there and it lands on eggs, right.
Uh so what sticks to the wall, right exactly? Um,
so that this proves that the fish man is actually
(55:19):
more of a like whale dolphin human clearly. Uh So
we got to the bottom of that case. So yeah,
the actor Doug Jones, who plays the fish not very
many people know that he was I don't know. He
said he wasn't exactly thrilled because he said, after pouring
my heart, soul, blood, sweat and tears into this romantic, beautiful,
magical role, the last thing I want to be remembered
for is a silicon appendage that comes in two sizes,
(55:41):
which is like understandable but yeah, but don't also take
yourself to seriously, my frend, you didn't have any speaking lines. Yeah.
I think I think he was just you know, being
I think he was kind of caught off caught off guard.
He's actually a great uh. I think he's played monsters
before and he's pretty good. And it's an honor right
that someone went that far to speculate what the character's
(56:04):
penis would look like it was selling out and every
time they would take people's like constructive criticism and perfect it. Yeah,
that's you were saying that there's like a feedback process
with this, dil don't make Also V two was different
than the launch version. Yeah, they like perfected like guess
the like circumferences of the girl that we're really getting
(56:26):
deep into this, But Gilma del Toro came out and
said that it wasn't accurate, So like, I don't know
what when then come out with yours in Guiarmo, like
don't look around, like let the people know. If we're
sucking up the origin story of the member of this character,
(56:48):
then let us know, or else we're going to have
to wildly speculated. Well, Anna, thank you so much for that,
Josh It has been a pleasure having you. Where can
people find you? At my house? Okay? Cool, Well I
won't squander this opportunity. They can find me on Stuff
you Should Know on iTunes at stuff you should Know
(57:10):
dot com. Every Tuesday and Thursday we released a new
episode and thank you for sending me up for that.
And also I didn't get to say this at the beginning, Um,
but thank you very much for having me on today
and let's do this tomorrow. Yeah, hell yeah, it's a thrill.
Like I said to you before, off Mike, Uh, you
guys were the first podcast I ever listened to, and
(57:33):
I've been a big fan for a long time, so
this has been a thrill for me as well. Well
I'm blown away by you guys as well. Like, um, like,
I thought you were seriously like crazy to try this,
you know, a daily basis, and now that I've done it,
you are absolutely crazy. So I'm deeply impressed with you guys. Thanks.
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(57:56):
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