Trump Flops, Olivia Rodrigo WINNING 5.25.21

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, here we go. Oh what I gotta I gotta
go get I gotta go get my note card. I'll
be right back. This will gonna be a great episode.
Tell oh, hello the Internet. If you know what this means,
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to Season one, eighties six, episode two of the Daily
See Guys production of Our Heart Radio. Yes we know,
it's the podcast we take a deep dive into America's
shared consciousness. It's Tuesday, May. My name is Miles Gray. Hey,
k chu guivera. Thank you so much to JPEG two
thousand Mafia for that one. I'm still on the tube train.

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Shout out to Anna for my uh you know choogy
mug I will, I will post with it. You will
see it with me. It wasn't just Jack who has one.
And because it's just me hosting today, that means we
gotta tack someone in. We need a co host and
I am thrilled will be joined by today's guest co host.
You know somebody who is going to drag me to
the movie theaters are probably one of the most memorable

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experiences of my life. You may remember from the last
time she was on, but please welcome my co host today,
the brilliant and talented, hilarious Joe El Monique. I am
back on t v Z. All these new people are
following me, gonna chat to be funny. Ah. They say
these fans are sucking sweet with check on. Now it's
up to me, Miles and I on us Juice Free

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d Z Joels in here that song because it's brand new,
but I'm obsessed with it. We're gonna talk about Olivia
Rodrigo today, so I decided to do one of her
songs and makes some intra music. I have a whole
new appreciation for the fans right because it was hard.
It took time, like actual work ethic and you're doing
like custom content to like just dropped albums too. So

(01:50):
I'm trying to, Okay, I'm bringing the energy positive. I wasn't.
I wasn't on the song track for a long time.
My brother shamed me. Um, he was like, You're not
as good as Jamie. The bar has been set, So
I'm trying to. I'm trying to meet it. I'm trying
to I'm trying to just be a good well that
that intro to not leave a sour Taste in my moth.
I'll tell you that. Shout out to that album and

(02:10):
we'll talk about that. But first we have to introduce
our guest. This guest is just one of the absolute
legends of the show. I feel like I don't even
have to say his name. I'm I should be like, yo,
just start talking, but I'm not going to do that.
I will give this person a proper intro. This man
is you know, he's just he's near and dear to
our hearts. He's a brilliant comedian, a wonderful musician. Uh.

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And we'll get to actually talk about music today, because
when we're talking music, we've got to have this man here.
I am thrilled and we are thrilled to have our
guest today. Mr Criss Croft, Hey, what's up. What's up? Miles? Hi, Joel.
I'm doing good. I'm I'm doing pretty Hey, I'm doing
pretty good. I'm doing pretty good. I mean, you know,
good to see you. Relative audio. I got audio. I'm

(02:55):
you sound butter bab man. Someone sent me a microphone.
You know, you act helpless long enough, people will send
you love it. It's really true. It's a passive, aggressive
way to get through life. You just act like a
Finally someone will be like, God, damn it, give me
get out, just here, give here, do this, Jesus. Why
I've used so long? When I was in a band,

(03:17):
I could. I don't know how to hook anything up.
So you stand there in just a big spaghetti pile,
of course, and then eventually someone will just have had
enough and just come over and just say give me
these things. Yeah, that's like how I never bought a
pedal when I played. Yeah, I always have another gues Oh.
I would hold it up or like plug it in backwards.

(03:38):
And then someone else will be like, I'll just ask,
like a dude with a massive pedal board, like what
do you think? Like I could like throw on here
to make it sounded like, oh dude, dude, dude, dude,
And the next thing you know, I haven't paid for pedals,
but I give him back either way. We digress. Chris,
it's great to have you on. We be saving so much.
We didn't even speak before we started according because we

(03:59):
had to save so much for the podcast. We gotta
save it for the podcast, which is now it's the
new Talk to the Hand. I think it's better than Jogi.
It's better than jug. Come on, I don't know, I'm
so mad about Jog. Now we're getting I think this
is going to require like deeper analysis because I'm now

(04:19):
I'm feeling a little dubious, like where did this word
come from? Who is this a siah from the fucking
c I A. I don't know, you know what I mean?
I think's connect it's connected to the main frame exactly.
But Chris, we're gonna ask you a few more questions
to learn even more about you. But first we've got
to tell people what we're gonna talk about. First, we're
gonna talk about Maxine Waters. Because you know, we talked

(04:42):
about Jim Clyburn and his like what he was willing
to negotiate with these police reform bills. It turns out
Maxine Waters is of the same belief we are thinking.
What are you thinking, Jim Clyburn. No, we can't take
qualified immunity off the table. If we're looking for meaningful reform,
We'll check in with Trump's little blog, because it turns

(05:02):
out it ain't shit. Um. I know we've talked about
some of the things that he's posted on his really
cool word site, but there's now the data that's looking
at it and it's it's not great. Uh, then we
have to talk. We've convened just three great minds to
discuss music, and in particular, the Olivia Rodrigo album Sour,

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which has taken over the internet, has all this, It's
kicked off all kinds of intergenerational take warfare of like
do you think you didn't know? What? Do you mean?
There's no emo? You don't know what emo? Look, it's
everything and nothing at the same time. And this is
probably the best three people to talk about this. And Chris,
you did actually you put your ear to that a
little bit, right. I'm excited. Everybody needs a fifty two

(05:47):
year old white guy's perspective on this is and this
is the place they're coming for it. This number and
this episode is gonna do numbers because they're they're gonna
be like, man, I was checking out some of the
bands that old white guy was trying on there. Pretty yeah,
it's hard to get their records are out of print
and stuff. But there's even gonna be even more than that.
But first, Chris, we gotta ask you our guest, our

(06:09):
esteemed guest, what is something from your search history. That
is gonna just show us even more of who you
are than you want to ask. Sure you want to
ask this question? Yes, well, I mean I have this
new podcast right, so it's called Colebrew Got Me Like,
which is not surprised Twitch my Yeah, that's Witch show,

(06:31):
thank you. I'm not good at this, so that it's
mostly actually a Twitch show helpless thing and I'm like,
see this guy's name fucking promoting his twitch and it's
a Twitch show. I came on here specifically, I said, Anna,
can I get a Monday? So I can say that,
because then the show goes on Tomorrow, Tuesday, So then

(06:52):
I can say tonight, I can say cole Brew Got
Me Like tonight on Twitch at six thirty Pacific. Yes,
what I how to go to Disneyland tomorrow? So it's
on Wednesday. There's a lot down there, Chris, we have
to we have to pause. Why do you have to
go to disney It's a long story, but like a

(07:13):
bunch of oh adult children that I'm friends with, L
L A, I'll tell you why. Los Angeles. That's why.
It's like, let's all go to Disneyland over forty and
pretend I don't know, pretend like don't start. That's even worse.
But like the people who are mostly going are around

(07:35):
forty and they're gonna do acid. Yes, oh, Chris, do
you think that's good? Now everybody's going to be tuned
into your social media. I want to go to I'm
not in mansion on acid. I would not like to
rise the Guardians of the Galaxy formally Tower of Terror
on acid. That sounds like a freaking nightmare. But or

(07:55):
a small world. I think please avoid those two rides.
You do not want to have someone have a break
down there. That's going to be a problem. But but
the jumbo ride on all the children is looking to
eat like you're not fantastic. Anything that goes like anything
that see Joel, this is this is exciting for you

(08:17):
because you're not ka. The thing is yeah for you
to go. I'm assuming you know you look like to
me like you're twenty five. Thank you, So whatever you are,
you're certainly in the age group. We're doing assets, you know,
maybe a fine decision for for me. This would be
the first time if I decided to do asseid would

(08:38):
be the first time I did assets. I think if
I'm going to do that, I might not want to
jump right in at Disneyland. That's for the especially since
and here's the thing that surprises me is I don't
understand how when you're and these people are my friends.
They're nice people, but I don't know how they can
go to something like Disneyland and and like take acid

(09:02):
and not like think about their credit rating and their
relationship with their mom and and like and like Disney
You're an eternal child. I have seen full grown adults
pop on some Mickey Ears and take two drinks of
whatever their liquor stuff is you drink at the Tiki
place before we get inside. You know how I could
see that acid hitting me in the way you're talking

(09:22):
about Chris is. Yes, We're there in the happiest place,
and I've managed to avoid any like real thinking about
maybe the ills of my life until you see like
a fourteen dollar soda and then you see a family
and I'm like, that's just like my family. I can
see their family dynamic. I feel for that teenager and
then right right, right, right right, you know what I mean,
Like I'll be like, oh my god, you're like I

(09:43):
got to go talk to that young man. And everything
will look like a cap you know, every ride, I'll
be like, this is a capitalism robot capitalism rot you know,
like that's exactly, yes world, after all, it's a capitalist world.
After all, let me out of here. You don't know,
ruin everybody's time, you know, they'll be like, look at

(10:04):
the pirates, and I'll be like, yeah, the pirates of
the Oh yeah, it's of Amazon, im pirates of Jeff Bezos,
pirates of American imperialism. Yeah, why don't they call of
your ride? And here Jeff Bezos is adis all of
your four year old acid dropping friends. Well this is
the thing that like two years ago, I did this already,
but I had I've only been one other time, and

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I had a friend with me who wasn't doing acids,
so we could be like it's okay, these people are
you know. I mean, I have a picture from all
of us on Space Mountain because like Space Mountain does
those automatic pictures, you know, like and like you know,
I'm you know, you can see the acid people because
they're like, yeah, they're getting so much more out of this. Yeah,
you know what I mean. I'm like, this is a
fun roller coaster and They're like, I don't know, I

(10:47):
don't know what they're you know, they're thinking about I
guess Aztecs or something like that. That sort of looked
like in their eyes, you know, they're looking at their
spiritual ship. They're getting way more out of it, but
they weren't getting like what I was see. If I
did ascid, I swear I would ruin everybody's time because
I would just be like, this is the military industrial complex.
I mean that's all I would do. I seriously would

(11:09):
be I'd be like, well, Disney was an anti semi
at least. The Hall of Presidents is another thing I
think to avoid because the animatronics in that Doel is
like on her own, Joel is already there. Yeah, without
being there, you're like, oh, already, Joel's like looking around. No,
I don't know. I'm not going in there. I'm not
going to the Hall President. We're going there a lot

(11:31):
of your whole day in they're teaching the children the
real truth, Black people to be free. Just turn into
a whole hotel. The Hall of Presidents is soaked in
racist blood, Like this guy sucks. They're like frontier Land,
Let's burn this ship. Yeah, totally. I mean seriously, I

(11:53):
would a straight jacket the office. They're like, I'm sorry,
he just read some Howard's in and did some acid.
Yeah yeah, where's the hours in rise heads? All that
to say, so what was in your search history? Chris? Okay,
well what happened was And since I've had this, Cobrew

(12:15):
Got Me Like? This week is on Wednesday on Twitch.
That's tomorrow. If you're listening today on Tuesday, the show
is on tomorrow on Twitch. It's called Cobrew Got Me Like.
And you go to twitch at six Pacific, seven thirties Mountain,
eight thirties Central, nine Eastern, which is funny. Some people

(12:35):
got mad to like, just don't put Pacific. I'm not
supposed to know when it is, and I'm like, look, jesus,
I'm busy. I'm busy, So I said save it for
the podcast, and then I was like, now I don't
have one. It doesn't matter. It's a metaphor. It's talked

(12:56):
to the hand. It's not really about podcast anty. I'm
in prison now because I went to Disneyland on acid.
But it really doesn't matter political Disney. Disney Disney didn't
twenty years for calling them just for getting so mad
at the whole President's I didn't lie. What did I say?

(13:16):
It was even a lie? Would that be so cool
if you got like tazed it like it's a small
world after all, like ruined every day? Fulk here? I
mean honestly, Chris, you should launch your re launched Coldbrew
got me like, by getting, you know, in an altercation
with Disney security talking to the truth in front of kids.
Acid got me like, that's a terrible idea that I

(13:39):
would watch song of itself before you get on exactly. Yeah, sir,
am I lying? Oh fucking hell? Yeah? I wrong? Am
I wrong? Am I wrong? All right? Back off, guys,
I'll settle down. Hey, little kids. You know what strange
fruit is. You know what Nina Simone was talking about

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in that song. They're like, what is he? What is
he doing? This guy is not coming to the spirit
of the park. The spirit of this park is money
and this is not part of it. This is about money.
I don't know if this guy understands this. Um okay,
So Cobreu got me like, I have to find videos. Okay,

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so we get it. Clo got me like, you Twitch
show you find your favorite years I find videos. Okay,
so my search history is me looking for videos now
because I realized that I have like fifteen videos that
I like, and then there's like there's then there's a
big drop off, like I have some classics, like everybody's

(14:43):
got a bunch of YouTube videos they like, you know,
and I have a bunch of weird ones that I like.
But now I've been kind of having to look a
little deeper. So my search history is getting weirder and weirder.
Like I'm like, like the weirdest thing I put in
is like Diner Audio nineteen eight, Like I have sort
of fantasy things that will never come up. You wish

(15:04):
we're there night right right right as four K. That's
what you look, yo, you know what? You know what
I look? You know what? That's not a lie, Chris.
You can watch a Tory Amos performance from the Montro

(15:26):
Jazz Festival in like nineteen ninety or some ship and
these Japanese people brought a fucking four K camera there
and shot and it's the most surreal ship to see
the Montro Jazz Festival in the early nineties and fucking
four K because you're not like seeing you know, that
era in that kind of sort of digital resolution is

(15:49):
jarring anyway. Well, yeah, that was in Japan, Montreal, in Switzerland.
But you said a Japanese person brought the camera because
like a Japanese company at the time was testing like
HD cameras. There's a lot of experimental HD stuff, like
I've noticed at the Monterrey Jazz Festival, because I think
Japanese people love jazz and jazz and yeah, and I

(16:13):
think technology. If you're a jazz drummer also, like you're
most there's like a one in three chance you're married
to a Japanese person. That's just the shout out to
all my homies. Shout out to Shout out to my
Erskine and her father Peter Erskin no legendary jazz drummer
for Weather Report. Um oh, Weather Report. I love what
you talk about. You talk about Weather Report almost every show.
I feel like, at least every one I'm on it

(16:34):
is so interesting. They have to cut the parts out
when I want to talk about Joe's admiral. That's that's
all do to me. But those are probably amazing. I
t guys, they probably invented four K when they were
taking a break from playing jazz, like jazz is very
deeply tied into technology. So this is technically music. This
is technically the best music. That's what they say at
the montro of jazzer. What else are you looking for?

(16:59):
The precise it's the most precise, you have to say.
That's what Germans say. It's the most precise music. It
is no room for a which is not true. Okay,
So anyway, I just look up tons of tons of
videos and and like, I'll just tell you one of
them I found recently is, uh this guy named super
Joe Reid, who is a stunt. I really like Daredevil's

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because I grew up. I was eight years old in
the nineteen seventy seven, which was prime time for evil
kinl So I like looking up. But there's other daredevils too,
you know. I found this guy named Super Joe Reid,
which we talked about a couple of shows ago and
uh on Colebrew got me like the Twitch show and uh,
super Joe Reid is uh he's obsessed with jumping over

(17:42):
helicopters that are running like with a motorcycle. And he
also this this particular one. I know, we got a
lot to get to so I won't do this too long.
So Super Joe Reid had a motorcycle jump that someone videoed,
definitely not in four K in like, turns out, the
Daredevils are lagging behind the jazz festivals. Not surprisingly, you know,

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there'sn't a camp order or whatever the hell. It was
full full size with a giant video taping in it.
Super Joe read anyway, jumped over a couple of helicopters.
He hired some female Daredevils, which was really into. He
was just like, they're female. He's like, there's a couple
of females. They're gonna jump this helicopter, you know, totally
sexist and uh and uh, why aren't they just regular
motorcycle jumpers, Super Joe Reid, He's like, because it's so

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this guy jumped over these He kept saying how there
were no tricks. There were no tricks, there's no tricks.
There are real helicopters. But my favorite thing. But the
trick was that he dug a pit for the helicopter
to fly through, so it's like basically almost underground so
they could jump. But he kept saying no tricks, So
wheneveryone whenever anybody says no tricks, there's definitely tricks, because
if there's no tricks, you don't have to say no tricks.

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You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
I mean we just went through the Trump administration. We know, yeah,
we know we went so anyway, this guy, Yeah, So
it's funny that the on video you can see that
because you're like, how's he going to jump over a
running helicopter And the answer is you you make the
ramps go above the helicopter, and the helicopter kind of
goes through a gully. Anyway, So we kept going no tricks,

(19:12):
no tricks. And then the best part though, is he
yelled about permits forever. He was like, I don't even
care if anyone could do this jump. No one could
do this jump, first of all, But second of all,
no one could do this jump because they wouldn't be
able to get the permits. Yeah, how long it took
me to get the permits. You get a pilot, a
bonded pilot, and a license. You get a military helicopter,

(19:33):
You get permissions for the canyon, you get permissions for
the desert. You think, So, I just love the idea
of a bunch of old daredevils sitting around being like,
you know what, the real stunt is getting the permits? Yeah,
ahole up over. He's like, not only is this there's
no trick to this, I'm jumping over a helicopter with

(19:53):
two females. But on top of that, you know, I'd
like to even see you get the permits for this
kind of jump. So the real stunt is the permits.
I love it. Chris, what's something that you think is overrated? Celebrities? Oh? Yes,
even though you, even though you have a famous twitch show.
Cold brew got me like, even though I myself wanted

(20:15):
my whole life to be a celebrity because I thought
it would solve all my problems my whole life. I
thought that I wanted to be a celebrity because it
would give me love without me having to do any work.
I have found out that also I used to be
an alcoholic, Joel, you don't know, so as part of
my alcoholism, I was like, what better way to be

(20:36):
an alcoholic than be a celebrity, because then you have handlers,
you have like a team. You know. James met his
wife that way, Who did she? Robert Downey Jr's wife
was his handle. There there you go, And that's exactly
right because I don't want to have to meet people.
I don't want to have to like put myself out there.
I just want my handler to fall in love with
me because I'm a celebrity. That's exactly right, That's what

(20:58):
I wanted it. And I'll never I'll always have love
and I'll never have to do any work and no rejection,
no rejection. Who's gonna leave that orbit? Everyone's favorite place
on earth, the land of no rejection and failure exactly,
so the land of no action as well. It's weird
how that works, right, But I mean, no one's gonna
leave your orbit of your a celebrity because it's unlimited
snacks until your Twitch show cold brew got me like

(21:19):
doesn't start doing as well as they just w here's
your real friends. There's always there's always a cliff bar
within reach when you're a celebrity for free, and that's
enough to keep your significant other around, even if you're
a monster. Even if you're a monster, You're like, he
free bases all the time, but I get free cliff bars, yeah,

(21:39):
and he's like backpacks, we get for free out of yeah,
and free back like cologne and stuff and like free
and like yeah, I have a I have a coffee
mug that you can charge your phone by plugging your
phone into it. I got it. Got it at the
Kid's Choice Awards. So anyway, the idea that celebrities first
of all, yeah, because as an attict, you're thinking, I

(22:01):
used to honestly think that, like listen, if I get
out of hand, I can go to a you know,
a mud bath or whatever it promises, you know, and
the right and then I can go back to my
other lifestyle. So and they also like I can go
to the doctor or whatever I want, and they can
check uf I'm dying or whatever, and then they say
you're not dying, and then I can do coke. You're

(22:25):
not dying, but your heart can't handle any kind of
ampheta means I will say that you don't all right,
but I'm not dying. Right. It's not a no, it's
not it's a good idea, any of it. None of
it's a good idea at all. I mean it's a
terrible idea. Yeah, that I'm gonna do coke and then
find out if I'm still alive and then do coke again.
But I really wanted if I thought figured, if you're rich,
you can have a doctor in your house. I mean,
look at Michael Jackson, Poor Michael Jackson and his own doctor.

(22:47):
It was like, you know, give me propa fall and
he's like, I can't say no to the King of Pop. Yeah,
would say no at all, but put me to sleep.
What did you handle that happened? Did you come out
the other side? What's your vision now that you have
this take? Here's my take. My take is that it

(23:08):
was seeing the was seeing the Academy Awards and it
was lovely because it looked ridiculous. It looked ridiculous. Everyone
involved in it looked like an egomaniac. No one wanted
to see, uh Glenn Close do de butt or whatever
the hell she was doing. Yeah, it's because they're fools.
Celebrities are nothing but the worst of us in a way.
I mean, you know, I'm not saying they're not talented,

(23:29):
some of my love, but the culture is absurd and
this pandemic revealed celebrities to be just what they are,
which is completely narcissistic versions of ourselves. And once they
were stuck at home. They just looked like assholes because
they were just like kind of people. Like they were
just like kind of people. Remember when they did that

(23:52):
Imagine all the people video at the top of the band.
That's that's exactly what I was thinking in my head,
was Galdado when I was thinking that ship right there? Yes,
it's like this person just spends too much time on
their makeup and their hair. This is not someone I
should be might that should be my even doing their
own makeup and hair. Listen, celebrities have far too much
time because people will organize their life be there the

(24:13):
revenue stream for like at least six people. Once you're
like at a certain level of celebrity, and those people
are gonna make sure you get to where you need
to go. Don't worry about driving anywhere. They're gonna send
a car for you. Your hair and makeup, they'll do that.
If you haven't showered, they might even scrub you, or
they'll just deal with your stink, whatever is easiest for
the general team. Right, they're gonna pick up your clothes.
You have to worry about that. People. We talked about

(24:34):
this the other day. We were offended when a celebrity
came to our office and had to pay for their
own parking. Mortified, We're like, what's happening, Why did that happen?
They can't pay, They couldn't Possibly this person exponentially wealthier
than any of us, And it's the whole world opens
up to you. And it's like, on the one hand,
you don't want to feel bad for celebrity because they

(24:55):
have all of the options, right and so of course not.
But at the same time, like that world just so
preconditioned that once he's like if you're even just a
little bit talented and you somehow gets swept up into
this thing, like that's it. You're off the extra exceptional celebrity. Maybe,
like you know what I like a Shenado O'Connor was like,
I was really smart to tear up that picture of
the Pope because I just got to go back home
and chill where that's where I like, Yeah, she's like

(25:18):
I made a smarter decision out of canceled so hard
that she's like the only person who really got canceled
in the history. Well, that's there's a few heart I
saw that. Like, I don't know if you remember Shenado Oconnor,
like that's a that was a cancelation. Oh yeah, she
got fucked just for ripping up a picture of the pope,
which is completely righteous. There's nothing wrong with I mean,

(25:39):
in retrospect, it's like at the time I was like,
who cares about the goddamn pope. It's like tearing up
the picture of Queen Elizabeth would have Congress people who
are like, well, they may have been seventeen at the time,
I don't know, it's a trafficking, and we're over here like,
I don't know, trafficking. There's not debate for this. But
to your point about the celebrity thing, yeah, it's you know,

(26:00):
on some level, it's like sure the people themselves that
they become whatever celebrity culture makes them, right, you know,
because it's not that they're like on some level, yes,
some people who get reached that level of celebrity will
begin to really I think, switch gears into what they
believe a celebrity is. And then you always have to
look for people who try and maintain their humanity through it,

(26:23):
because there are like versions where I'm surprised at how
like humble some people are. Not to say that, it's
all varying, depending on who you are, but that there's
also just like this thing that they also are uncomfortable
with what celebrity culture is and what that means to
other people, where some like you know, you'll meet people
like no, I'm just I'm just a person, Thank you
so much, Like I can get that thanks not shut

(26:45):
out to all the celebrities who refused to show their kids.
I feel like that's mainly we're talking about the celebrities
like no, my child is not a commodity, it's a
person alone. Let them developed in private. But I think
we also are learning, like you're saying Chris too, that
when we're all straight down to like what we really
need as human beings, looking at celebrities like it just

(27:05):
feels very vapid or it doesn't have any substance to
it or nourishment, because like you're saying, it's like these
projections of our own egos that we wish to maybe
be or can't be. Therefore, it's easy to be invested
in this version of a person that we think, you know,
it's also to be sympathetic to them. The new media
landscape has made it so like say the Oscars, It

(27:29):
used to be like best picture. You really were often like,
oh wow, that those people really did some work, you know,
and now best picture is like Mario Kart, you know
what I mean. It's like, it's like Glenn Close. I
don't even know why Glenn Close, dude did but I
didn't even watch it, but I saw, you know, all
the takes of course, because I'm a take of our

(27:51):
best friends. And he called her up and he was like, yo, Glenn,
please please do this for the best friends. I was like,
that's a better version of Snoop and Martha. I'm like,
that's kind of a very elevated there, like actually, like
I want so anyway, my punch line that I wrote

(28:15):
down was basically, during the pandemic, I found out that
the real celebrities are deer and bears from hiking. From hiking,
I was so much more excited. You know, who's got
more to offer. You know, he's got more to offer
than Glenn Close doing to butt a deer, a real
deer in the forest. So what I'm saying is I

(28:38):
just realized that the real celebrities are animals, like actual
animals in nature, birds and ship I'm so much more
excited to see a bear. I saw Bears, Joe hell
I went, I went hiking a bunch during the pandemic
for the first time, and that was just a shift,
you know what I mean? I mean by point my
I guess my point was, you know what, who's not
I don't want to see I love that. I'm just

(29:00):
get us all about Glenn Close doing. I don't want
to see I don't I didn't. I didn't even see it.
I just saw the takes. I never see anything. I
just see the takes. So I never watched anything. Anything
was looking for din Or audio from nineteen seventy six,
Man Ordering Eggs four rough audio, raw raw portage of

(29:23):
Man ordering eggs. So anyway, I just think that for me,
there was a shift towards, like, you know, away from
celebrity culture, which I liked because I like celebrities too
and I love pop culture. But it just shifting to
the woods literally, you know, it was kind of fun.
I'm waiting for the first Bear Vogue cover exactly thing
I would vote for Christian Criano to style it. Let's

(29:44):
go all right, We're gonna take a quick break and
be back with one more because we got got a
lot of runway when we're landing the crafton plane. We'll
be right back. Stick around m and we're back finally, Chris,

(30:10):
what's something that you think is underrated? Underrated is abandoned
mind videos? Um the gold. I'm not kidding. So I
started watching this is the other thing, uh, Joel is
like during the pandemic. Like, I've always really deep into
YouTube because I'm sober and I really don't like like

(30:33):
to leave the house anymore, so I like watch YouTube.
And then during the pandemic, I got even. I used
to watch mud Larking. That was my main thing. That's
in England, the Thames River, the mud, it's two thousands,
it's a two thousand year old city. So the mud
of the Thames River is just loaded with clay pipes
and and and and and it's mostly clay pipes. They

(30:56):
find just tremendous amounts of clay pipes. And and I
found out when I broke my hip. I broke my
hip a couple of years ago, and I watched Mudlarking
a lot during that And so through this show Nicola
White mud Lark, who it turned out, was like speaking
of celebrities, a fan of the Daily Sitegeist like connected
us on Twitter and I about talk about celebrities. I

(31:19):
about had a heart attack. Anyway, She's a mudlarker anyway.
So but I started watching abandoned mind videos, which is
where these people go in minds and there's a million minds.
I guess mining used to be a huge thing. Ha
ha ian it was like a billion minds, Like the
whole country was mining up until like they invented bitcoin

(31:39):
or whatever, so they now it's like mining whatever, virtual
mining and Mario Kart and everything and um so so
Mario coins or something that everybody's now you can buy
stuff with Mario Kart, which is bullshit. And that's what

(32:00):
I was trying to explain to Disneyland before I got tasted.
So anyway, I I've been really kind of into these
A band of Mind videos. It's one of these things
where I started watching my like look through a band
of Mind, and I've talked about it on this show before,
and in the beginning, I was like, this is bullshit.
There's only like three things you can find in there,
like a old or cart, you know, or like a
shovel or whatever. And they're like, it's a riveted shovel.

(32:22):
That means it's old. I mean it's really just pointing
of things and being like that's old, that's old, which
is like what I like to do actually in real life.
I love old stuff and just being like that's old,
that's definitely old, or maybe it's not so Anyways, I've
gotten really into a band of mind videos to the
point that I know every term for a mind. I
could basically do everything in the mind except for actually mine.

(32:42):
Oh like, if you had to be a spy, like
go undercover. You're talking that talk you're saying, I could
do any of it. Hit me, hit me with some
hit me like blenden right now and be like, hey Chris, Hey, Chris, Uh,
what kind of mind is you working before? Oh? Just
ones with lots of stops. I mean there's a tremendous
of stops, and there's a winds and there's drifts. Uh

(33:04):
and um, you know kind of what kind of equipment,
what kind of equipment you've been on? Pneumatic drills, noumatic
drills obviously, Uh, you know there's a lot of pressurized
air and uh, um we're using it sometimes we uh
sometimes we uh follow Hey, hey Chris, don't drift off
because we got a lot of spies coming in here
to this mine. The government's been trying to funk up

(33:28):
our operation. Meet me at the winds. Meet me at
the winds. We'll talk about it. We'll sneak up into
a stop and we'll talk about it. And anybody who
knows about mines knows exactly what I'm saying. Meet you
in the stop behind the stall. I mean, I know
every goddamn thing there is, the no one of mine.
I know how old ship is. Like if you if

(33:48):
I look at an or car, if it's riveted, it's
pre nineteen hundred. If it's not riveted, it's welded, it's
a later one. I mean, what's the best if you
want to get into mining videos, where's the best place
to start? What videos should we be looking at? Like
Western mind detective, because he seems like he goes in
there with very little equipment. Like there's some guys to
go in there, like they're like armed for you know,

(34:08):
they look like spacemen when they go in there. This
guy kind of just goes into a pair of shorts
with a flashlight, just starts running around like that. And
I want to do it now, And if anybody wants
to once my podcast, Once my twitch cast gets to
a million viewers, we're gonna start doing uh you know, mindfulness,
mindfulness weekends, and abandoned minds. We gotta get you an

(34:29):
I R L stream rig so you can go stream
live from a mind shaft and they can watch them
go go looking into abandoned minds. That's the new Cold
Grew gotta be like, I want to do it. That's
nothing more cold brew than that. And that's I relate
to these people. I mean, they got nothing, you know,
It's like they're looking for mystery. They're hoping to find something,
but they found an or card called pointing and stuff,

(34:49):
saying it's old, ye kind of show. That's Is that
a skip car? There's a something called the skip car too,
which is looks like an or card, and they love
looking at those and being like, I think that's a
skip car. I'm pretty sure that looks like an or card.
Pretty sure that's a skip car. That is a skip
car or maybe an or card right either way, you
got lots of videos to be able to say it unequivocally.

(35:09):
I just said, yeah, Western mind Detective is is. I
gave you know all I can say is they have
more to offer than they first if you just tipped
your toe into abandoned mind videos and then you're like, oh,
this isn't for me. Go back again. Speaking of bygone
structures that are abandoned and of little use, let's talk
about the Congress um and specifically as it relates to

(35:31):
police reform. Today is the anniversary of George Floyd's killing.
Man Joe Biden was really looking forward to signing a
police reform bill, one that they passed in the House
that had all kinds of reforms in including bandon choke
hold certain kinds of no knock warrants like the ones
that led to the death of Brianna Taylor, and even
ending the practice or the doctrine of qualified immunity um,

(35:55):
which is a huge one. It's the reason why many
police are able to get away with all the bullshit
that they do is because they can never because of
qualified immunity. They're protected from facing any kind of civil
lawsuits and being financially liable. And we've seen what happens
with when it comes to a criminal case. It rarely
happens unless we have video of the entire thing. Unfortunately,

(36:16):
like in the case of George Floyd's death. So we
talked recently about how Representative Jim Clyburne, who's just again
a monster in the in the House of Representatives, one
of the just legendary black congress people who you know,
has outsized influence in the House. He went out and
said that he was willing to negotiate qualified immunity, that

(36:38):
that was on the table. Like more than chocoles, anything qualified,
like getting rid of qualified immunity is massively important, completely
changes the game in terms of what you can face.
Now a quick little refresher on qualified immunity. Now, this
is actually coming out of eight seventy one civil rights

(36:59):
law made a first, it made government officials they were
liable financially if you violated someone's constitutional rights, you were
on the hook for for those kinds of offenses. But
then in a series of rulings in the late nineteen sixties,
the Late Kind of the Late and the Woodstock so

(37:21):
the Supreme Court decided that an officer is immune from
liability unless it can be shown that he or she
broke quote clearly established law. In the process, this creates
a world where all of the burden is on the plaintiff,
and if you don't have if a case wasn't tried
with nearly identical sets of details, it would be easy
for them to throw the case out. Um, so let's

(37:42):
say there may have been a subtled dispute where someone
was tased while handcuffed. Let's say you were pepper sprayed
while handcuffed. You couldn't point to that and say, well,
in this case it was decided because they will say, well,
this isn't like the exact same set of circumstances. I
know they may be similar, but unfortunately you cannot bring
this case against this officer. And yeah, to your point
to well, yeah, the sixties, so they needed they needed

(38:05):
to protect the police so they could violate people's civil
rights as they were fighting for their own civil right America.
Never before I needed to protect cops like this. You know,
it's a pretty pretty even line. Before and now you
know black people are scary. What's happening? Well now, and
you know this is the thing. Now we're living in

(38:26):
a world where most decent people are looking at what's
going on in this country and with the world say,
how the fund can a cop just get away with
this kind of like how you know, Like that's actually
a question. I was like, how is this possible? And
a few huge factor in all that is because they
won't face any kind of money trouble, any financial liability,
or being able to be taken to court for maiming

(38:46):
or killing somebody. So this just brings you back to
Clyve Burne. And I just gotta say Maxine Waters, she
came out and she said, I absolutely think it's not
Why would you come out and say that you're that's
on the table. How do you negotiate like that? Why
are you saying this really important thing is up for discussion? Um?
And So I just want to play her response because

(39:08):
after a few other Democrats have said, well, you know,
we don't want the perfect to be the enemy of
the good. I guess we could just pass it because
we want to negotiate with Republicans. Here's Maxine waters response
to all that. But I'm not giving up on qualified immunity.
I do not want to send any message to anybody
that I'm willing to support UH legislation that does not

(39:29):
have an in it. I think we've got to be tough,
We've got to be consistent and understand that We've got
to hold police officers accountable. Even since the death of
George Floyd, we've continued to have killings of black on
our men in particular, And so these police officers know
that they have the support of the police unions, they

(39:52):
have the support of city council members who are intimidated
by the police unions, police chiefs who have read that
if they don't go along, they can't be cheap, and
even some mayors. I'm so proud of those mayors that
are willing to stand up and fight, and for the
police chiefs that are willing to stand up and fight.
But history tells us that they have been intimidated too long,

(40:16):
given in too much, and the police don't believe that
they're gonna be held accountable. That's why even after George Floyd,
they continued to kill. And so I want qualified immunity
out there. It is pretty clear that's one of the reasons.
You know, you damn emotion in her voice, and it's
so hard to hear black elders like being emotional about

(40:38):
this ship because you know that it's been going on
their whole life and their parents whole life, and they
had and I think the sixties super poisonous and just
in that like there was such like inspiration and chance
for hope, and like people really thought she was gonna change.
And by the eighties it was just so very clear
that it wasn't gonna change. And then in the nineties
there was like a resurgence and they're for real this

(41:01):
time though, y'all for real and then uh, you know,
it's still not happening, and it's just so many waves
of just like how many times you have to go
through this very basic ship before we can all just
get on board and be like, you know, it's really
not cool for cops to just shoot people. Like that's it,
Like that's the whole that's the length of the argument,
like that you can't be an executioner. That's not your job.

(41:24):
You're just notna kill like the and these are the
i think the fractures and the party for Democrats that
just become clear and clear and clear, you know, the
progressive agenda isn't the you know, for those pushing a
progressive agenda, they're not as bashful as they used to
be in recent years because it's easy to get silenced
by the establishment wing of the party. Just be like, oh,

(41:45):
they're friends thing, Please don't that's just a distraction. Now
people are coming out, you know, unequivocally about what are
we doing? You know, because for the for all of
the incrementalism that politicians love in d C, all that
incremental change, that glacial pace, every second that takes by
is a life that's potentially lost because we're not willing

(42:07):
to just solve the problems that are so clear, even
to the point where we're like why is this, how
is this possible? What are we huh? And yeah, there's
too many massive structures in place to to yeage. That's
what I'm thinking about. Like Jim Clyburn, I was just
reading a little bit about him about his positions in
the past. You know, he he initially voted against gay

(42:29):
marriage and then you know, came around as a position evolved. Uh,
they're evolved. He's had evolving positions like every Senator and
congress person because they have to because they're part of
the power structure, and they're the power structure is in
place because of the police largely, I mean, the police
are frightening and have been militarized, and Democrats and Republicans

(42:52):
have watched as military surplus military equipment was it was
transferred to the police. I mean at a good rate,
at a good rate, they got a good deal on
that stuff. Though. Yeah, I mean so like you know,
like my hometown where there's no crime at all, has
like armored troop carriers and ship and you know, so
I don't know, you know, I think Jim Clyburne, just
like with all of them, are under background forces that

(43:14):
are because it makes of course perfect sense to get
rid of qualified immunity. It's that's a deranged thing to have.
I think. Yet the other thing is just they don't
understand what political capital they have, like to even say,
I think like to to them, they look at it
like this is how it works in the hill. You
have a bill, you just kind of show your cards
to the media. You start working out, you know, you

(43:35):
kind of got to give this up to get the
other thing because then down the road you're gonna make
this ask or whatever. But all of that triangulation is
just so cynical. It's just so slow moving that it
doesn't allow for real substantive change because you're trying to
do all this triangulation when you could just be like, look,
this is the position if not well anyway makes sense
in in a system that didn't have exclusively to parties,

(43:57):
specifically one of which consistently acts in bad faith, like
you can't. It's it's wild to me when your Democrats
talk about like, oh, well we're gonna we're really working
with Republicans, but the Republicans aren't working with y'all. Like
it's always a one sided, like we'll give a little here,
we'll give a little there. I don't understand how, especially

(44:18):
when the data shows that the majority of Americans period
are interested in these kinds of reforms, why they can't
just stand in their truth on that, Like, I don't understand,
because they're not going to ever come from your ye.
I think it's the culture of politician and is changing.
That's why we see younger people entering the House who
are more progressive are like they're just gonna they're gonna

(44:40):
sign on to letters who are They're trying to be
more vocal and things like that, at whereas many other
people like, well, it's just you don't want to do
too much too soon, and it's like this isn't that's
not how it works. Too many people are dying because
two little is being done too late. So yeah, and
the Republicans are absolutely deranged. I mean, they've proved them
so I don't even you can't. I don't even call them.

(45:01):
It's not they don't deserve to be called a party anymore.
I mean, honestly, they're there after the you know, January
sixth thing, and them just trying to ignore that it happened.
I mean, you know, this is and after they stoked
it and then it happened, and now they're just pretending
it didn't happen at all, is if I mean really
in an authoritarian like George Orwell type, it didn't happen,

(45:22):
like it just didn't happen the way you saw it.
But money in politics, I mean, Jim Clyburn like the
rest of them need corporate money to get elected. They
need lots of it, and that's underlying it all until
the reason why these progressives can't be progressive is because
until there's money out of politics in a significant way,
we will never get anything different than this bullshit. It's

(45:46):
just because these people are not Until you need less
than five million dollars to get elected, you're never going
to get people that you want in there. Who are
really going to be able to make moves because they
are beholden. And I know it's nothing new to say,
but I mean, it's like there's so much money in politics.
There shouldn't be any money in politics. I mean, you

(46:07):
look at the sums that are spent to just have
Joe Biden in office. For that little drips and drabs
of progress you get like and like, you imagine just
one person, one person gives you a million dollars and says,
my brother is a policeman. I'll give you this money.
But you ever take away qualified immunity, I mean, and

(46:27):
then you take that voice and apply it to like
dal Chemical telling you that, or you know, being like, listen,
we like our plants, we like our pipelines. We don't
want people fucking with them. And police will not beat
the funk out of these people protesting the pipelines. If
there's no more qualified immunity, you know there's and they
have to consider that, even if they don't want to
and they know what's wrong, they have to or else

(46:47):
they won't get elected. And that's because of fucking money
in politics. And I know that's not you know, a
wild take, but it's just like no, but I think
it goes It shows the absurdity of the system in general.
You know that they're such simple things, things that can
be done, that could optimize it. I mean, but more
than anything because of that like sort of capitalist class

(47:07):
of people that are able to manipulate all of our
policy because they have all of these all these resources.
That's just that perversion isn't going to be able to
given them explicit tools given to them like dark money
packs and things. I mean, they've made it easier and
easier for people, even people from other countries or you know,
they say no foreign I mean, there's no way to

(47:28):
know who donates by design. They're they're made. They're made
for people who hate, who never want to have, who
love sadists, who love to see police beat people donate
to these packs. Yeah, and there's a new there's there's
been new analysis to like what sort of the new
conservative donor looks like. And it's like a lot of

(47:49):
these like wealthy boomer business owner people who have a
lot of money from their like own businesses, small businesses,
but enough to give in the millions who are hell
bent on you know, keeping their racist grandparents rants alive
through who they put in office really quickly. I just

(48:09):
want to touch on a little bit of good news,
which is Trump's blog. It's an absolute fucking bird failure. Nonsense.
It's like everything else he's ever Yeah, it's completely it
has become irrelevant. They are looking at sort of what
what kind of mentions he used to get right, and

(48:31):
what the height it was in the fucking sixty million
like numbers. It's it's it's ridiculous. He's down to like
basically beginnings of the presidential campaign levels of like mentions.
It's like really really low and to the point where
like there's people who can this computer science professor Megan

(48:54):
Squire the way she described it as he's whistling in
the wind. People just people just starn't following him to
his little desk platform. And we can see that in
the numbers. The difference is ridiculous. He doesn't have that
same ability. I hope the name of his blog is
whistling in the way. Whistling in the way. That's too smart.
You've given too much. He would never know. But then

(49:17):
he said he doesn't have the same ability anymore. Constantly,
he doesn't have the same ability to constantly put his
content in people's faces the way he did before, and
it's like he's kind of panicking too because he doesn't
know what to do because he knows it's not hitting
like he used to. He can't even start to get
he's got mounting legal fees, and they're saying but when

(49:38):
they point out look at other conservative platforms that were created,
you know a lot of conservatives like tried to create
these alternative social media platforms because cancel culture, and they
tried to predict like, oh, if we can just get
Trump to use our product, then we're gonna be fucking
killing it. But the thing is they keep asking him
to endorse one of these and he won't because he

(49:58):
looks at them as like less less than compared like
sort of analogs to like Twitter. So he's like, no,
it's like enough brand Twitter, I'm not gonna do it.
Like he he still gets that he wants to be
on Twitter and it doesn't matter even if they give
him money. They say that might change because to your point, Chris,
legal fees, But at the moment, he's like, you know,

(50:18):
it's like when your parents, like, we have McDonald's at home.
He's like we don't have McDonald's at home. We have parlor.
Whatever the funk it is. It's not Twitter, mom, and
which is now His whole team is trying to work
on something they're calling Trump Media Group, which they hope
to launch in this summer, will include a new social
media platform, and they say they talked to Trump regularly

(50:41):
about it and they're getting updates on it, but the
final product is not ready yet. Okay, several points. Why
would anyone in their right mind try to launch a
social media app this summer? We're gonna be wilding in
the Who the hell is looking for a new social
media platform? This shot girls summer. I love it. I

(51:02):
love Joel with a practical side of it. Just like
first of all, business bears in the woods, and this
is not the time app how they think it's like,
what makes a great is the discourse. And you're not
going to bring liberals to a Trump supported app. It's
just not going to happen. And so it's gonna be

(51:23):
like when they put private servers up for like Nazis
on video games. They're like Nazism, Fine, you go to
that server with all the other Nazis and live in
that little man and everybody else will leave you alone
and it'll be great. There's no way you're not gonna
get the discourse, which is what makes social media juicy
in the first place. Why are you doing this? I
just it's annoying to me that he could be so
bad at businessing it. So many chances correct better at

(51:47):
business than Trump. I didn't go to business school. I'm
terrible with money. Give me some money. I will make
a plan for you. It'll be better, not much, you
know the right. I love that right. Melanin Love was
in generational wealth can do for you, you know, I
love that so much. I'd love that that analysis because like,
this is the thing. The funny thing about this is,

(52:08):
I've been thinking this, but I didn't really understand. It's
just because he's old. Like I love their launching this summer,
like just the whole idea that they're gonna need all
that time, Like um, like someone younger would have this,
would have had this thing up and running like the
day he was out there. It's because they're using you know,
they're using their chrony network of people's nephews and cousins

(52:31):
to design and ship and it's gonna be a piece
of ship and it's gonna take forever. I just I'm
just gonna love when they're like, oh my god, the
Mago world led him dry, like even a little bit
of money he had, like completely just Jason Miller's son
is really good at the Internet. So he's designing the
new Trump blog and he's like, when I'm just looking
at the accounting, you gave that kid thirty million dollars
to develop a skin for a WordPress site. Oh when

(52:54):
he's hanging out with Matt Gates, So funk, where did
that money go? Yeah? Anyway, Uh, let's wrap this section
up and we'll come back to for some riveting discourse
on the music of our generation right after this, and

(53:20):
we're back. I guess I will. I will start off
by talking about this new album from my perspective as
a completely ignorant, older millennial person. I know that Olivia
Rodrigo had an album come out called I saw the
memes that said millennials are feeling like a little emo
kids again, and I said, Okay, that's interesting. I did here.

(53:43):
I know of this song Driver's License, and that's all
I knew prior to listening to this album, because I
just knew it was a you know, that's what we
do here on the daily. I guess if it's just
it's part of it. We gotta dabble in it. We
gotta dip our toe in, so Joel the lead us
in this discussion now of Olivia Rodrigo's South Okay, listen

(54:04):
as we prepared to enter a world determined to re
establish the status quo after we've learned so much how
I can change and be better. As we enter a
world where everyone is horny as bunnies and relationships are
going to be mute for at least the next six months,
we could all use a heavy dose of teen angst
and heartbreak. Hey, Olivia Rodrigo is here to even the

(54:26):
scales of whatever is about to be this summer. Okay.
Famous for her turn on High School Musical The musical
the TV series, one of the greatest titles for a
television show ever, and later for her Worldland romance with
co star Joshua Bennett allegedly but allegedly uh chronic which
she allegedly chronicled in her first song, Driver's License, Olivia
Rodrigo has one of the most epic introductions to pop

(54:46):
stardom since Lady Gaga Wolf Lady Gaga, who's fagulessly wealthy,
parents and connections in the industry didn't stop the world
from viewing her as the hot new thing from out
of nowhere. Rodrigo, as Olivia horn Right wrote for Pitchfork,
has been on TV for roughly a third of her life,
and it started with the biggest record company in the world,

(55:07):
and everyone views her as an underdog. Right, So, Rodrigo
is heavily inspired by Taylor Switch that you can hear
all throughout Sour. Sour is about your first major heartbreaking
all of the angst that comes with that. Mixes heavy
guitars orchestral strings. Rodrigo a collaborative writer Daniel Negro in
true of the album with one of my new favorite bangers, Brutal.

(55:27):
If you didn't catch it, that was my intro song.
Was inspired by the song Brutal. If you've ever been
a seventeen year old girl, I was, This album will
shoot you back to your final year of high school
where you were impatiently waiting for life to begin, with
lyrics like I'm so insecure, I think that I'll die
before I drink and I'm so sick of teen Where's
my fucking teenage dream? The anxious hormone riddled insecure feelings

(55:49):
come rushing back, but so does the power of the fucket.
The feeling that you'll never die in the whole world
lace before you. If only you could figure out where
to start. The two minutes and twenty three second Power
Jam blows out the ear drums and revise the inner
bratt drama queen jerk lover hiding beneath our practice manners,
and it's so, so, so good. The album launched after

(56:09):
Rodrigo dropped a music video for Good for You, which
was directed by Petrick Collins. DC bands already know my
love for Haley from Paramore, and there's definitely inspirationally throughout
the song. Cheater Aesthetics ala Nirvana's Team Spirit and everl
Levine's video is pop punk perfection. They let her bedroom
on fire and then they flood it at the same time.
Teams have so many emotions Driver's license but eight weeks

(56:32):
at the top of Billboards Hot one hundred. The piano
heavy Power Ballot is humored to be about Rodrigo's relationship
with Bennett. As I mentioned at the top, so that's
not been confirmed. Online SLOs have been hard at work
decoding old I G posts between the stars. We're gonna
leave speculation to the professionals. But what I love about
this song is a feeling of driving melancholically through your hometown.
Rodrigo said she wrote the song after driving around crying.

(56:54):
I Get a Girl destined to become an epic Charioke
song and probably a great stadium ballad. The best part
it's the bridge, which is designed to be sung and
heavily with a heavily intoxicated crowd reminiscent of Maggie Rogers
say its Driver's right since launches Rodrigo to global I'm
curious about this album. Okay, this is where I'm I'm

(57:17):
I'm looking at it through the lens of like some
of the music, like just the arrangements don't vibe with me.
But I'm thinking I was like, but no, there was
a time when Vanessa Carlton got into my fucking mind,
even though it was the last ship I would put
um and be like bury me with my Vanessa Carlton LP.
And I was trying to keep my heart open for

(57:37):
this and what I found was I liked the like
deep cuts like I liked one Step Forward, three Steps back,
good feeling that one jealousy Jealousy was I was digging
that one too, But those felt like those are a
little I think it was because the production I could
relate to a little bit more the ankst though I

(57:58):
was feeling the days Boot said, fucking strawberry ice cream, Malibou,
you know what I mean with the two spoons, Yeah,
one spoon for two. Dejah Boo is my ship because
I love a song that is about just jealousy and
hating a bit. I can't hate outwardly. It's really hard
for me. I'm very forgetting, but a song will get

(58:19):
me there. I'll be like you, we did that first
and every time you with her, Deja Bou. Whatever you're
feeling for her, he felt for me regularly. You don't
forget who. It gets under the skin. It's good Listen.
This album bounces back and forth between a lot of
like there's obviously a lot of inspiration from like early
nineties rock, but then the odds like punk pop, Princess era. Uh,

(58:40):
there's some new stuff. There's a very very much a
musical theater kids album, and that it's very leading with
either you know, pianos, guitar or um xylophone or kind
of heavily featured instruments and leading with her vocals. For me,
it's an album no skips. I listened to the whole
album several times. Brutal is sly my favorite track off

(59:01):
the album. I think it's a seventeen year old album,
and I think that's the difference for a lot of
people if you're like me and like seventeen was like
a very hard time for me, Like I didn't know
which it was, I didn't know what I wanted to do.
I sort of felt like a failure trying into college
and it was an awful experience. It was a mess,
And sometimes it's nice to revisit, especially for a seventeen
year old who's got a lot of talent, who is

(59:23):
sort of going through the basic emotional upheavals that I
think again, as like a thirty year old, I can't
publicly display any of that, but sometimes I still feel
it on the inside, and it's cool knock out with
an album that's like expressing that very specific, specific hurt Chris,
you know, that feeling of going to Malibu strawberry ice

(59:45):
cream spoons for two. I grew up in Connecticut in
the nineties. What do you think? Like, okay, so let's
see what are the parallels here? Do you what? What
was your first idea knowing like when I I hit
you up said we're gonna talk about this album? Is
a sensation is for you know great Emo's gen z
Angst album. What are you seeing from your fromt Okay,

(01:00:10):
I'm kind of kidding. I mean, I grew up in
the eighties mostly I was born in sixty nine, so,
but I was born in sixty nine, so like you know,
fifteen seventeen and n So for me, this kind of
stuff was like, I don't Bruce Hornsby. That's just the
way it is some things when they have a change,

(01:00:31):
which of course is sampled by like puff Daddy, I
mean this or something like, I mean, that's not even
how people will ever have understand that song. Now they're like, oh,
that's a sample racist faces. Okay, yeah, yeah, that's a
good two pocks version is awesome. But anyway, I'm I'm
a big pop music fan, so I mean, I I
can I right away like this. But it also reminded

(01:00:55):
me of so many other things. It reminded me of Lord,
like most slate, like green Light. It sounds like the
whole record to me. I just skimmed it, but it
sounds like all sounds like green Light by Lord. And also,
I don't know this is this is the part where
I'm just gonna be a crabby old. It's not as
good as Gordon Lights. I don't know. I just wanted

(01:01:17):
to say that. But I don't need any more seventeen
year old perspective and need neither neither does anyone else.
You know, we have so many seventeen year old wing
on being seventeen, which is like the least consequential age.
Everyone grows up past that unless you get run over
by trunk. I mean, like you, I'm just saying that.
Like the reason why teenagers are making all the music

(01:01:40):
today usually paired up with an older white guy, which
is this Ni Dan Nigro, who's listed as the principal
songwriter on all these songs. It's another like Jack Antonoff
kind of guy. It's like these these white older guys
telling seventeen year old what seventeen year old anks sounds like.
For the consumption of the most people, because old people

(01:02:02):
and young people are the only ones who buy CDs. Now,
these they're still idiots who buy CDs, and they're mostly
coming back. They're mostly children. Children still buy CDs, and
so that's why music is mostly aimed at teenagers, because
they're the only ones who still spend money, and so
do old people, old old people. That's why like Rod

(01:02:23):
Stewart was able to put out like ninety albums of staying.
You know what I mean, It's because old people don't
know how to steal music, and neither to fifteen year olds.
So I'm just saying this is this, and I'm not
I'm not saying like Joel at all that I don't
like it, but I do it. I think no, but
I do. I do like it, but I am tired
of like life is. I'm like seventeen. I used to

(01:02:46):
be a I mean, seventeen is is hard, There's no
doubt about it. But you can get past it. I'd
rather hear songs about that than hear about like more
breakup songs from like seven song is just about being
in your feelings in that moment. And I think that
while I completely agree, like I don't like my music
for the past six years has all been at least

(01:03:07):
women in their thirties, right, Like you think about what's
happening not just in pop music, but specifically like black
pop music. Like for me, it's like Solange since said,
I think it's in her mid twenties. Uh, then you
have Cardi B and her, and it's all these women
who are like way past this like teenage phase and
then talking about grown woman ship, which has been phenomenal,
Like very grateful to have have these women in my

(01:03:30):
life to get me through the last horrible couple of years.
But there's something I think, particularly in the same way
that I was really Jasmine Willow started releasing music, there's
something about young women coming out and singing like just
like these I just love a fuckingt song, I really
really do, And I feel like this whole album is
basically like I'm so all my feelings and I'm so
hurt and I don't know what to do about it. Yeah,

(01:03:52):
you just got broken up with out a shake shock
and you're driving home because you're the meal was ruined
because you got broken up with, and you're blasting this
with tears coming down your face because that's what you need.
It for. But my question is to you, Chris, have
you ever listened to a track in this sense like
where you're like, I this was, this is what I
needed at my lowest. It helps bring this sad songs

(01:04:15):
I love break up? So what is that for you? Oh?
I get that, But that's why I'm trying to. I'm
trying to your old angst to me is like, listen,
here's what you write a song about. You write a
song about how love isn't real, and eventually you find
out that the real thing is just looking at bears
and deer. So my perspective is love. Yeah, sure, I
mean you can yell and scream about it, but in

(01:04:37):
the end, it's just you know you're gonna get divorced
and just to you know, get real and and and
go on a diet or whatever. I mean, know, go paleo.
What's the song that specifically to you? What when you
were seventeen, what's the song you listen to to feel
all angsty and emotional? What was that song for you
in that time? Getting your DeLorean Chris, and tell me

(01:04:58):
what you're listening to. I didn't God, I wish I
was rich enough to have Doloian Uh, I was, I
would say, like, God, I listened to a lot of
John Denver, Cat stevens Kevin's. Uh the Father and Son song?
What's that one? It's the one where the kid's gonna
leave home and his dad's like he's like I gotta go,

(01:05:19):
and his dad's like stay and and he's like I
gotta be a man and and you know it's the same.
Interesting though, how lyrics have like evolved, right because you
go from like this Cat Stephens song Father and Son
where it's just like there's so much you have to know,
find a girl, settle down if you want, you can marry.
Look at me. I'm old, but I'm happy. Like if
they felt very folksy then and then like there's like

(01:05:42):
then I think of like what the angst was maybe
around like like a Fiona Apple title, like her album title,
which is very poetic. You know, it's you know what
I mean where she's like I've got my feet on
the ground and I don't go to sleep to dream.
You know, you're like, oh ship, And now we have
like the lyrics of Olivia Rodrigo that are like so

(01:06:02):
easy to like just to understand there's no ambiguity in
the lyrics, like we're talking about straight up jealousy, we're
talking about why are you comparing the relationships? We're talking
like quite literally, I feel like a fucking loser, you
know me. And I think there's something to the directness
that is very different to the this style of music
or this genre of track, where like we're now just

(01:06:25):
being like, yeah, man, I fucking hate my step mom
and it's sucking up my life, you know, but without
any poetry to it. Of course you can get past seventeen.
But there's something like, but when you're sometheen, that's the
hardest thing you've ever had to go through, right. It's
like like as older people would obviously be like, oh no,
likee this is this is gonna fine, You're gonna work

(01:06:45):
this out, give it like two years, you're gonna be
a totally different person. Don't even worry about that. But
there's something so you think about, like, this is the
hardest time I've ever known, and it's so challenging, and
all I want to do is be better, and that
just that little colonel. I don't know if I'll ever
rid of that girl. I just want to be a
little better. That's weird yet because I I used to

(01:07:06):
have like albums I could listen to, like when I
was in my most emotionally turbulent like that were these
kinds of songs where I was like fuck it, Broody
Bodies by fucking Smashing Pumpkins, I will listen to it,
or Billy Corgan is like Lovelesicide like ship, feeling that ship.

(01:07:29):
But I also I've noticed like as a person, I'm
kind of like, as I become an elder washed person,
I'm having trouble tapping into like that era of like
the chaos, Like it's more nostalgic more than like it's
like they're like it's still in there or something. I
wonder if this is the last time I'll be able
to feel this way. It seems like maybe this album

(01:07:54):
is having that effect on people that thought they couldn't
feel that anymore, and they could, you know, I yeah,
I think, I I bet you. I like, I used
to listen to Lord a lot. I like pop music,
so I think it sounds good. I'm just offering this, like,
you know, as a person who is uh just you know,
being older, Like you know what I mean is like, well,
here's the thing older music is failing. It's not like

(01:08:17):
this music is failing. It's people who are my age
that are failing. They're writing. I just wish lyrics for
older people weren't all just broken poetry junk, like you
know what I mean. I feel like this, this kind
of lyrics, This Olivio Rodriguez is my I like this, Rodrigo,
I like this. You know this sounds good, but I

(01:08:40):
wish this all of her. I only found out about
this email. I saw your email thirty seconds before this show.
So I just I just I just think that actually
it's more of a failure of music people being made
by people my age, which is just like sort of
like R. E. M type lyrics, you know, just like
broken poetry forever, like I want to hear so Chris.

(01:09:02):
I just like lyrics that are about so okay, Like
I'm saying, Olivia Rodrigo's out here being like fucking days
of you. You did all this old ship, we did
it too, you talking about so how would you write
this more like direct blow nail on the head form
of song lyric writing for your for your era, for
your people right now, because you said where's my album?

(01:09:24):
Like that? Well, as I was saying, I just write
about like heart health, getting your steps in, um, you know,
don't drink coffee too late. Yeah, falling loves out of
the question. Who cares anyway? I got no sex drive anymore,
So it loves out the question. That's just such a
powerful message for a song, and it's just a little
love is not you know, love is not as important

(01:09:46):
as going to your therapists. I just wish there was more. Um,
there's just a lot of bourgeois adult pop music right
now that's just about like I don't know, fake spirituality
and like, you know, it's like I would say that
the main topic of adult music now is like mindfulness
or something whenever everyone became a Buddhist and Malibu or

(01:10:08):
some ship. I'm actually all about this stuff, except I
just wish there was more of it in a way,
like more. I'm just tired of the breakup stuff. That's
all I mean. I love. I mean, we got Taylor Swift,
who does good stuff. You know. I'm most suspicious of
these weasels, these white weasels, like whoever this anton Off
and this Nigro and who are these people? And why

(01:10:28):
are they somehow? Why are they in charge? Why is
Nigro's name first and Rodrigo's name second on all these songs?
Because that is important in songwriting. That means Nigro is
the main songwriter. So why are these why are these
weasley white men involved in all these women? I mean
or anyway, it's not just women. There's just Weasley white
men with like kind of like like cute haircuts running around,

(01:10:52):
and I'm suspicious of the year old. You're like, well, yeah,
I'm SUSI these guys too hair because I'm doing my
best to hang in there in this conversation. But I
really do dig that. I actually dig what she's doing.
I just think that I can't relate. I don't think
I like lyrics about fucking feeless. Yeah, this conversation ever

(01:11:13):
set up for every anyone to to disagree or anything
like that. But I'm saying, well, we all have our perspectives.
Yours is like what, I what fucking more breakup songs?
I'm just like, yeah, I get more literal, you know,
because I like listening to the radio. You know, I
just wish there were more songs actually about relationships, but
just different kinds. There's just a lot of like relationship

(01:11:34):
stuff about fuck that person and fuck that person and
that person sucked me over. And I also think that's
like sort of you know, just there's a lot of that.
I usually I found out almost every breakup was my fault,
you know, not not. You know, I think everybody, like
when they're younger, thinks the other person was totally at fault.
I'm also tired of the tired of that, you know,
because that's not true. That's like when I go to
a a and guys talk about their ex wives as

(01:11:55):
if their ex wives like we're a pre existing thing
that they had nothing to do with it. They're like,
fun next war, right, right, you know, like didn't you
ask her to marry you? You know what I mean,
at the point you're really into that person. I totally
feel that, especially on the line of like there's more
to life than relationships, right, You're gonna go through so

(01:12:17):
many other different types of things that there are actually
songs to write about that we need, we need guidance through,
you know, like the Solante is A Seat at the
Table really helped me get through all of the Trump presidency.
I feel you, I feel you, there's there's more than
just being in love or being sucked over. But either way,
But I think albums are all their snapshots, right, like

(01:12:39):
no one, you don't define your entire career off the
one album. So I'm sure like next thing, you know,
in twenty years time, on this trajectory, Olivia Rodrigo will
be talking about wellness. But that album comes out and
it'll be like so again, they'll be like, guys, make
sure you use headspace to get yourself a little relief.

(01:13:00):
You're like yeah, and you're like, how did they do this?
And like it's charting, y'all's completely perverted it. Um. I
just think everybody should do a very deep investigation of
why everybody, every pop musician over thirty y is out
in the desert. That's what everybody out in Joshua Tree.
What's happening? Yeah, I don't understand. They got to be

(01:13:23):
in the woods with the deer and the bear, the
real thing, That's what I'm talking about. I guess they
want to be out of Joshua Tree because there's nobody
out there so they can feel like they're like, you know,
man the king Man. Remember when Morrison went down to
Mexico and it's like that. Anyway, with that note, U.
We'll end the show right there. Please y'all make sure

(01:13:45):
you check out Chris's Twitch show, which is not going
to be tonight, it would be tomorrow because he's going
to be doing a huge publicity stunt at Disneyland on Tuesday. Um,
but Chris, thanks so much for joining us. Man. Where
can people find some follow you and watch you and
all that you can? Uh? Yeah, thank you. Um, you
do a better plug for my show than I do. Uh.

(01:14:05):
It's it's called Colbrew Got Me Like? And it's on
Twitch every Tuesday usually, which would be tonight, but it's
actually tomorrow this week because I'm going to Disneyland, and um,
it's on six thirty Pacific every Tuesday night Colbrew Got
Me Like except for Wednesday this week. And then I'm
at the Crofton Show on Twitter and at the Crofton
Show on Instagram, and I write my advice column called

(01:14:28):
The Advice King. And you can go listen to my
first solo record, Hello It's Me on all platforms check
out someone Christie and it hits like got my back
feeling like hell, oh yeah, you want to hear me?
You want to hear my super All my songs are
about being freaking broken up with. I can't believe I'm

(01:14:48):
gonna be so fucking I'm finished. Please finish such a hypocrite.
That's such a hypocrite. All my songs are about being
broken up. Only thing, though, I will say, is that
I mostly blame myself. I think that's the that's the
Twitter guy involved in the writings of these songs, and

(01:15:08):
that's my guarantee. And you just kill me. There there's
only one white guy the songs. I'm done that, I'm done,
I'm done great, Chris, Is there a Twitter or a
social media and post something you like that you want

(01:15:30):
to shout out? Funk? I always forget this part. Oh man,
where it is? I love? I said, God, damn it
like the oldest man in the world. Just in general,
I'm just gonna say I like Twitter. Oh great, I
love it. In general. It's really good. John Brown endorsement

(01:15:51):
for you, Chris, Thank you so much, Joel, thank you
for helping me host today. Where can people find you?
Follow you, just listen to you, read your takes, your
musings like that wonderful perspective into the album. Uh sorry,
that went on for five minutes. Definitely got a test
from the editor so long. That's what I'm gonna come

(01:16:12):
here every time. We just do a brand about something
I'm passionate about. Last this is who Rode Gouh. You
can find me all over the internet at Due Monique.
It's j O E l l E m O n
I q u E. One of the tweets I've really
been digging. Film updates. Media posted four count them, four
separate photos of Tako L t T, Tessa Thompson, and Ortiz.
Oh Frick, I can't remember her first name. Y'all if

(01:16:34):
you know, you know making out? Okay, it's great. Tyka
is shooting the next door. Tessa is obviously in it
because she's great. I think Tiger and Ortiz are kind
of connected romantically. Anyway. They're all making out to go,
oh my god, Anna, bless you, Rita Aura, Rita Aura,
is there being a hot pop star? I loved it,

(01:16:56):
and then at Michelle tweeted Tessa's phone right out the
demons calls from Bree Larson. This is the queer polyamial
content I am looking for. I tried to break it
all down what all of that means. But it's beautiful,
it is full. It's a gift from the pride gods. Okay,
this is what the games are looking for, this kind

(01:17:16):
of content right here, it's beautiful. Shout out to Rito
or wow, surprisingly I know what that is. Yes, I've
seen that picture of three way kiss between that old
director and the beautiful handsome man and the gorgeous women.
The haircut probably yeah, I remember the longest time I

(01:17:42):
was like, man, like, what's Rita Oregon to talk about
being black? And like, oh, she's Albania. Okay, I feel
like we were all there. What's going on with Rita?
Or is she light skinner? Yeah? Hey, but either way,
shout out to your Rita. Would love to see it.
Let's see some weet said. I like a couple of
tweets I like. The first one is from Jessica Ellis

(01:18:04):
at Baddest Man with Jamma. She tweeted, a good way
to tell elder millennials from younger ones is to shriek sing,
just come from a can and then see what happens. Um.
The next one from Dana Donnelly or yes at Dana
d O n l Y. Dana Donnalley tweeted very on
par with the discussion we just had when I was

(01:18:26):
twenty three. I thought my X was a diabolical supervillain
who ruined my life in a cold calculated way. But
now I'm twenty six and I realized he was actually
just a guy of average intelligence who simply didn't really
give a shit about me. Yeah, when last one at
Tony Underscore for our seven tweeted, I wasn't productive at

(01:18:48):
all during the pandemic, but it was actually my first pandemic,
so I think that's fine. Yeah, I think that's okay.
I don't worry about that. Okay, don't get done to
yourself too much. You can find me at Miles of
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(01:19:30):
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