Weekly Zeitgeist 141 (Best of 8/31/20-9/4/20)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The
Weekly Zeitgeist. Uh. These are some of our favorite segments
from this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment
last stravaganza. Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here is

(00:22):
the Weekly Zeitgeist. Really, Priscilla, what is something you think
is underrated? Um? Okay, so hands down my home state
of New Jersey. Yeah, hand down. I just I feel like,
especially you know now, being a transplant, so people always
have to tell you what they think about where you

(00:43):
come from. Um. So, I mean as soon as somebody,
as soon as I tell somebody from New Jersey, I
just get dragged and I'm like, I just I don't
even know you. I get dragged to filth and I
mean I'm just like, also, why would you like people? Oh?
You mean the armpit of America? And I'm like, I
was literally about to say that. I was just about

(01:04):
to say that to me. That's where I come from.
Your garbage dump? Okay, disrespect? Do you see this ship?
This is what I'm talking about? The gardens state, Lacy.
What I'm saying. No, I think Jack is correct, and
that's what I And that was my point. Number one.
Can grow in the landfill, going to landfill. Okay, rude, Okay,

(01:28):
And now here's the thing. First of all, as Jack
so kindly illustrated, our nickname is the Garden State. You
don't get that nickname if you're ugly and dirty. Gardens
are pretty. But can we just say that, like no
one called y'all the Garden State, Like y'all gave y'allself
that nickname. And much like when anybody gives themselves a nickname,

(01:49):
if I give myself the nickname little Beautiful, and then
I'm like, everyone calls me a little beautiful and it's
like no one ever actually called me that. Look, that's
what y'all did with the Garden State. But you can
all call me a little beautiful because that's what I
call myself. Oh? Is that? How? I didn't even think
about that? Is that? How do states name themselves? I
thought that I think so. And also it doesn't help

(02:10):
that like the highway I've probably spent the most time
on is the Garden State Parkway, and the view from
that is not very gardening, it's not very virgant. It's
more highway. What freeway have you been on? Where the
true the one on one. Basically, it's basically the one.
The pH is the only good view highway that's barely

(02:33):
a highway. Um right, I mean, but that was y'all
trying to Brandy were like, oh, the Garden State Way,
like we know what we're looking at. Okay, we're looking
at Okay, Okay. In conclusion, okay, here's what I also,
I have to say that the political with the political thumb. Listen, everybody,

(02:55):
Bill Clinton thumb yeah, laser point. Yeah. So here's the thing,
you know. You see, she lazy lived in New York
for hot seconds, so she inherited their disrespect of our
state as well, and so but asked New Yorkers as
soon as they get money and should start going, right,
where do they move to? Connecticut? Okay, yes, Connecticut as well,

(03:22):
I'm sorry. And also New Jersey and also New Jersey. Yeah.
I love New Jersey. I love people from New Jersey.
I love culture about New Jersey. Uh, and I fully
understand all the criticisms or bullshit about New Jersey. I
don't I don't like it when exactly like you're saying,

(03:42):
when there's that knee jerk, like, oh, I have New
Jersey's the armpit of America ship, but anybody like people
who are from New Jersey also talked about New Jersey, right,
But I mean, don't you talk. I just dragged l A.
I'm like, I'm gonna live here until I die. I mean,

(04:03):
I think you know we're entitled to do that, you know.
Um yeah, I mean from Texas. So I mean everything
is bigger everything, Okay, yeah, you know. I mean we're
a good thing. Our racism is also bigger, you know. Um,
and armed we do everything the best. That also means

(04:27):
we're the best at racism. You gotta take your good
with your bad. Yeah, what is something you think is overrated? Um? Oh?
All this talk about we're going to go to Mars, like, oh,
we're gonna colonize Mars. It's like, first of all, I'm sorry, No,
we're not, like we're it's not gonna happen. And if
it is, it's not while any of us are alive.

(04:49):
And then do you think that Mars is so great?
It's like here, but way worse. It's going to be
the stuff we have to do to make Mars as
good as Earth is. Now, Okay, I just don't believe.
So I feel like the idea of going to Mars.
Someone's like, oh, yeah, we're gonna a little I'm like, no,
we're not. Like, we can't deal with climate chase. There's
no way we're gonna be able to like end up
going to another planet. We don't, we don't have We're

(05:10):
not there maybe a hundred years. We're not there now,
you know. Yeah, thinking Mars will be like Earth is
like the Alien kids equivalent, where like the alien kids like, Mom,
we want Earth, we want Earth. She's like, we have
Earth at home, cutting yeah, right right, and they're like,
I mean kind of, but this ain't it, mom? Yeah,
Like I just feel like we can't do the work
to maintain Earth. Why would you think that we could

(05:31):
go and make another Earth on Mars? Like it does does?
It doesn't light up with reality, right Mars? We just
keep ruining. We just spread out and ruined new new
and uh beautiful. Yeah. We fill the stars with our garbage.
We leave our all of our one use plastics out
on the stars. We don't feel comfortable until there's a

(05:52):
garbage gyre on Mars's and elon Mosc is fucking convertible
jettisoned into space now, and that's gonna probably crashing fucking
plan into Like watch, that's going to set off the
next interplanetary war is when his car fucking lands on
some spaceship it was sent from Earth. Yeah, they in there.

(06:15):
I subscribed to the Star Trek version that aliens know
about us. They're just like, we're not working with them yet.
They need to get their shipped together. And then like,
once we get reached a certain level of technology, they'll
be like, Okay, well we'll acknowledge our existence, but I
have a feeling we will turn the red dot on
Jupiter into a garbage jar before that. And then they're

(06:39):
never going to talk to us. They're never gonna there.
We're always gonna be They'll be like, yeah, we're here,
but we would rather not hang out with you guys. Um.
By the way, I was, I was wrong about the
rods from God. We had talked about that on a
recent episode. They were not a Nazi weapon. They were

(07:02):
a nineteen fifties weapon, but they would work. People have
figured that out. Tungsten rods dropped from outer space. Remember
I was talking about those giant roles like poles from
poles from states that. Yeah, the idea was dropping tungsten
rods from outer space, and they would really destroy the
ship out of a planet they were or a country

(07:23):
or land they were dropped on. So that's a possibility
always out there, dads from gad people I got. I
got just demolished by people rushing to correct me on
that fact. History Channel Game came for you, History Channel,
Twitter came for you. Yeah, but I appreciate it. I

(07:45):
only vaguely remember it, and now now I can do
a little research on rods from God. Yeah, let's talk
Brandy v. Monica, Monica v. Brandy. I don't know the
I think people went in pulling for Brandy a little
bit maybe, and Brandy one is the general kind of

(08:11):
version that I'm getting. But what, why don't you guys
tell me, as I think lazy, you actually watched it? Yeah,
I watched the whole thing. As I was telling you
guys before we all thought it was gonna be girls
trip like a cute moment, and it was the Titanic.
It was so it was a three hour Instagram live.
It was disrespectful and not I don't have anywhere to be,

(08:31):
but at by the end, I was starting to feel
like I don't have somewhere to be right. I felt
like they were rude to me. They were like, you
don't have anywhere to go. I don't want to be
reminded that right, And they knew what the girls knew,
and I sat there and I sat there until they
did the Boy's Mind and they knew I was going
to and I did. Brandy definitely won her distography, like

(08:53):
Monica couldn't compete. She's literally done songs with baby Face,
Whitney Houston, Kanye West, John T Austin, like I could
go down the list forever um even recently, she's done
some songs with Daniel Caesar, like there was no way
of Monica to keep up. And then, But it was
weird because Brandy is if you've ever watched Mosha, she's
basically her character on Mosha. She is chavish, she's petty,

(09:17):
and they had a long standing beef, which we've talked
about because Monica hit Brandy in the face and you
can see I have some We talked about this on
yesterday's episode and I was like, oh, I've got to
see that video. Well, thank you, Zeke Gang. I just
had to check my mentions this morning, and sure enough,
I got to see the video, and you can see
it in Brandy's hair that like she had been punched

(09:41):
right before coming out there, like because her hair just
looks like it's not like totally a mess, but it's
just like shaking a little bit, like it's just a
little Maybe maybe that was like the look, but I
don't think it was. Uh, and they just but it's
it's wild and they are both absolute pros. They both

(10:03):
nailed the performance. It's pretty awesome. It's tired of Brandy.
She even in a live It's weird to watch a
love where you're watching two people trying to be nice
to each other. Right, Yeah, what did you think, Maggy?
What did you see online? This is this is my question.
I didn't watch the verses. Okay, let me just preface this.

(10:25):
I love Brandy, I love Monica. I grew up with them.
I love not personally, but I grew up there with
their music. I love them. Um who didn't think that
Brandy was gonna win from the beginning? I was just like,
Brandy is gonna win that? Like, come on the second
of all, you said it was like a long thing.

(10:45):
Do they really be having hits like that? Did they?
Did they go to B sides and stuff and go
to like TV theme songs and ship. They went to
B sides for a bit. They did do the TV
theme songs and we did get a possible from Cinderella.
Don't play like you knew that was gonna happen. It
was like kind of torture for a little bit because

(11:05):
I was like, girl, we don't know this song. And
then they both played their new music and listen, I
love them, but but beautiful gowns, beautiful gowns and if
you don't know what beautiful gowns as a reference to
a reason, Franklin was once asked about the vocal capabilities
of Taylor's tour, and she was like, she has beautiful gowns.

(11:28):
We don't want to say nothing ugly, you know, you
just give a compliment. Chat. Both of the songs were
very beautiful gowns. See, they didn't need to have three
hours for all of that. And then I just looked
like they were going to fight the whole time. Like
at one point, Brandie's like, give me a high five, Monica.
It was like Brandie was torturing her, like this rich

(11:50):
girl who was like I was watching an episode of
Gossip Girl. Where like the rich girl tortures the poor girl,
and it's she was like, give me a high five, Monica,
and she grabs Mondoca hand and Monica physically reaches away
scowls like see. I would have watched the verses if
it was just a fight, if World Star went and

(12:10):
sponsored that, I would have watched that. And I know
one of the two would have been down. I'm not
going to name the one I think would have been down,
but one of them would have been well known would
have been down. But Maggie also, I'm gonna need for
you to not give World Star ideas versus people fighting now,

(12:31):
we would watch it. I would watch it. Don't say
that out loud. If they if they were fighting to
the music, like fighting to a sale scheck, I would
pay money to see that, Like they get to put
on the song for one round. Why is Brandy playing
knuck a few bucks? She didn't do that. That's when

(12:55):
you know she's she's ready. Uh. The description of a
moment that I read was Monica like made brief illusion.
She was like I went through some times when I
was you know, I was going through some things. Brandy
was like, yeah, I think I experienced some of those
things that you were going through, and Monica like kind

(13:18):
of thinking that she could get away with that as
a good natured like joshing and Monica was like, why
did you say that? Brandy was like, I was just
doing it. It was so uncomfortable because the lyrics are
kicked down your doors and slap your chick just to
tell Monica he having me and Brandy was like, I

(13:38):
was the chick I got slapped. Were like, so they
didn't was that as close to actually addressing the fact
that they had physically fought as it got That was
the other thing about this lap. It was very messy. Honestly,
it should have been produced the Tyler pair of Studios
because it was the most Tyler Pairy project I've ever seen.

(14:00):
The only thing he's missing was like a little bit
of HIV shaming and like an angry dark sent JK.
We got ray J, so he covered his basis. But
she they brought up C Murder, who's in prison right
now that they're trying to get out of prison, and
actually Monica's working with Kim Kardashian and try to get
C Murder out of prison. I really think C Murder

(14:21):
should maybe change his name. Um, how god c J.
Walker makes people more sympathetic c J. Walker. He just
takes over Madam c J. Walkers like it would work.
But so she talked about Monica, saying that she was like,
first of all, Manica had T shirts, which I was
like T shirts, free Ce Murder T shirts. This is

(14:43):
so black. I love you guys. They're dating. Apparently she
alluded to an entanglement. Um, they alluded to Usher and
Moisha dating, or like Usher and Brandy dating. There was
a lot of messiness. It was fantastic. But yeah, and
so do brand you talk about Kobe at all? Didn't
she go to a problem with Kobe? She only mentioned

(15:06):
him and kind of like a rest in peace moment.
You know, there had to be a funeral moment. It was.
It was because it was so black and Tyler Perry
and um, so she mentioned him. Brandy also did a
lot of poems. If you don't want to watch this
anywhere alive and you just want to, like, I don't know,
We're waste three hours of your life. It's fascinating. I
think this is by far the better version is just

(15:28):
hearing you talk about it has one point two million
people watching Harris came in and some of them jo
that I have to say, even though it's totally against
the agenda. They were like, damn, is Kamala Harris gonna
come back? Or is Monica done checking in with her
parole officer? Oh, I tackled, Look, we loved for Kamala.

(15:53):
We love Kamala, but she did come on screen behind
the sarrock bottles. Um and hello, that's amazing. Let's take
a quick break and we'll come back in a moment

(16:17):
and we're back. Oh I got a myth there you go,
let's hear it. Am I late um, I got a
with y'all. So you know, you know, there's the myth
of and you may have heard of this, but like
the hunter gatherer, Like why you know, back when we
were hunter gatherers, why was it that men went to
hunt and women stayed home to like do the berries

(16:40):
and whatever. I don't know, they aluys tell you about
picking berries, right, get them motherfucking berrierries. Do the berries.
So you know the myth is that, you know, well,
men were strong, men were faster men, and that's why
they would go out hunting. But the real, the true
reality behind that is this, and this is from an anthropologist,
that when women when when men would go out right

(17:03):
hunting party of like six if three, if only three
came home, Um, it would be sad, it would be horrible.
Everybody will be sad. But eventually village life would go
back to normal, you know. But if a hunting party
of six women went out and only three came back,
the village would fall apart. And that's because women contributed
so fucking much. And so as a result of that, Like,

(17:26):
so we have this myth that it's like, you know,
strength and that's why you know, guys go out there,
and but the truth is that that you know, uh,
hunter gatherer societies recognized the importance and the value of
women to the society and how intechral we were and
if you got if you lost one of us, you
would feel the impact. I mean, it's genetically encoded that
if if uh, like basically, hungry mothers give birth to

(17:50):
more daughters because in a time of greater hunger, like
where fewer people are surviving, daughters are like women are
the more precious, you know, the more important valuable human being.
And so when there's hunger, the human body just naturally
switches to giving birth to daughters, and it's not like

(18:11):
the human bodies thinking that. It's that that is what
is better for the survival of the species and therefore
that is what has come down to us through evolution.
That's so dope. Damn. I mean we have a bomb, right,
Like Chelsea, what is something you think is overrated? Oh,

(18:33):
this one's fun. So our next season three premieres on
true crime and how true crimes informed our society, which
you know is going to be really fun. But something
I really am annoyed by is the idea that serial
killers possess some sort of genius or intelligence. And if
you don't mind, I would love to share a Zodiac

(18:53):
quote that sort of proves my point. So yes, thank you,
I appreciate that. So one of the big Zodiac letters
that came to police and the media, uh, was actually
not about like a cipher or anything like that. It
came on a card that said, sorry, your ass is
a dragon and it had two prospectors writing a dragon

(19:17):
with a donkey. I don't know, it's it's ridiculous, and
then he wrote quote, ready if you don't want me
to have this blast, meaning he was going to blow
up a school bus, you must do two things. Tell
everybody about the bus bomb with all the details. I
would like to see some nice Zodiac buttons wandering around town.

(19:37):
Everyone else has buttons like black power. Well, it would
cheer me up considerably if I saw a lot of
people wearing my button. Thank you. And then after he
didn't see any buttons, he said, this is the Zodiac speaking.
I have become very upset with the people of San
fran Bay area. They have not complied with my wishes

(19:57):
for them to wear some nice Zodiac buttons. He was
just like, fucking loser. This sounds like a podcast. I don't.
I don't like they're like, wait a second, fam, why
aren't you could you please wear some nice buttons? Fam?

(20:19):
I sent you a freeze like a Simpson's T shirt.
Why aren't you wearing it? Yeah, it's it's just like
embarrassing when you read Serial Killer, like actual quotes, you know,
because Zodi acts like this mastermind and he alluded police,
but really he was just like a serious douche bag
down in his heart, which of course we know, but
like it's just the genius thing and there's like Ted Bundy,

(20:41):
he was just like ridiculous in court defending himself and
ranting and raving and just being you know, an idiot.
But then he gets this like charming. I don't know,
the way we reduced serial killers, I think is is
a frustration to me, and I think and it's like
it's been genuinely harmful, you I mean to like glorify it.

(21:01):
And also just because it's you would think, you know,
maybe perhaps that people would be less fascinated by them
if they realized, you know, kind of how they're losers.
They're truly true losers. It's not cool to be and
you know, also the whole serial killer panic, which of

(21:23):
course is like such a panic because it's so rare
to be killed by a serial killer, but it also
really reinforced law and order, war on crime rhetoric, and
a lot like the man Like the Mother of Sharon
Tate was a huge, huge influence in the victims rights movement,
which on its surface is awesome and underneath also supports

(21:44):
like very republican policies. So it's just such a complicated
genre that we don't really truly dissect. And I'm not
like anti true crime or anything like that. I mean,
I was. I was definitely reading Manson stuff about so
but it's interesting. It's super interesting stuff I didn't know
at all. Yeah, yeah, I totally feel conflicted about my

(22:09):
uh interest and that stuff. I have this loose theory
that the police basically talked Jeffrey Dohmer into claiming he
was a cannibal, like because that he was arrested as
Silence of the Lambs was becoming very popular. It was
almost like the culture manifested the because he was just

(22:30):
keeping victims body parts around, which is very gross, but
also you know, he was just it was like a
he didn't know what to do with the bodies of
all these people he was killing, and so it was
more of a disposal thing than anything. But then he
realized how much attention it got him and how it's

(22:54):
just so interesting to me that Silence of the Lambs
and happened and it was a national, global phenomenon, and
then he was arrested and suddenly there's this famous um
serial killer who's also a cannibal. Wow, that's that's a
theory that I can get down with. I mean, you know,

(23:14):
like John Wayne Gacy, right, all the media showed of
him was him and his clown outfit, and we talk
a lot about like the phantom clown panic that that
happened in and also happened in the eighties of you know,
all these kids seeing clowns and uh them being horrifying,
you know, stranger danger murderers. Um, and it kind of
single handedly changed the way that we think about clowns,

(23:35):
you know. I mean, serial killers have such an enormous
and then there's like Ted Mundy that all these fundamentalist
Christians came to like at the end of his life,
right before he was going to be executed, and they
basically had a conversation blaming pornography for everything that Ted did.
So serial killers are used like so much more than
we really consciously notice for like nefarious means. I think,

(24:00):
I mean, I think where my the first time I
felt my relationship with true crime, because originally I was
just kind of like in, I'm like, yeah, this is
like whatever fun and there's all the examinations of why
is it appealing and all that stuff. But um, I
think it was I was having a conversation with someone
about I don't know, one of the bajillion true crime
docuseries there are, and they were like talking about it

(24:22):
in spoilers terms, and they're like, I've only watched up
to episode two, don't spoil I was like, but someone
was murder like but that. But because that's how the
stories are like treated and formatted, you're like, oh, yeah,
it's just being treated like it's fiction basically, like, yeah,
somebody's making a bunch of money. Yeah, somebody's those development
meetings where they're getting like giddy about the twists and

(24:46):
turns of a real life uh you know, serial killing
And yeah, like you're using all the same manipulations that
you would in a fictional text. And yet I watched
so much of it, right, and like I'm like, have
I stopped watching? Oh no, I just feel worse about it.
But yeah, yep, sometimes that's the least we can do, absolutely, Chelsea.

(25:10):
What is something you think is underrated? Oh, I'm gonna
say horror movies? Um, because I think horror movies are
like I mean, you've already kind of talked about it,
but they say so much about cultural anxiety and like
where we're at in the moment that they're coming out,
and like the different genres, like the Satanism genre coming
out with like the Exorcist was like, right at the

(25:32):
rise of fundamentalism is like a force in politics, right.
And then kind of was the kick off to some
of the Satanic panic where people were convinced that there
were satanic cults all over, um, you know, harming children
in all of these sensational ways. And then there's like
hillbilly horror. I'm really very interested in. The show is
interested in sort of like the maligning of white trash,

(25:55):
and you know, the poor white person is like this
kind of psychic dumping ground for racism and people to blame, right.
And uh So there's like the hillbilly horror genre with
Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Deliverance, um, and all of those different ones.
And I think that it says a lot about our
relationship to the poor, um and how and how middle

(26:17):
class people like right, like Deliverance, you have these basically
hipsters coming in and canoeing down the river for adventure. Um.
And then it's like, oh, it's the poor white people
that are like hiding in the hills, which is a
compelling and terrifying thing, don't get me wrong. But then
you know, like I think Pennywise, uh, the original Pennywise

(26:37):
in the book and Tim Curry uh in it really
encapsulated the dangerous stranger coming after children. Um with stranger
danger and really the satanic panic are our panic that
our children are being constantly taken um. And then even Frankenstein.
This is like we did a whole episode called Monsters

(26:59):
about basically how the language of the monstrous has been
used against like people of color, but especially black people,
and how Mary Shelley's book came out Um Kong which
one King Kong. Yeah, hell yeah, that's that's like so
over right. Um. But then like Mary Shelley's book about

(27:19):
Frankenstein was reprinted the same year that, Um, the slave
Rebellion led by Nat Turner, which is one of the
most famous of all time, happened, and all of the
language of Frankenstein was used to talk about him like
he's broken from his change, that the chains, they used
the actual language of Frankenstein. And then when the movie
came out in the thirties, there was all this racial

(27:42):
anxiety from the twenties with jazz clubs and white women,
you know, being influenced by black men and the whole
black men steal white women trope that's been around since
the very beginning, and the movie had like these two
interesting parts where it was like again like the dangerous

(28:03):
black man coming after women, white women and children, because
you've got that scene where he doesn't understand and throws
the child in the water. And then there's also though
this like other line kind of like of liberal do
goodie right, where Frankenstein meets this blind man who could
be like color blind, right, and he teaches this like

(28:23):
hopeless helpless monster like the morals of of good society.
And so it's like this really interesting. I don't know,
I just think we write horror movies awful lot as trash,
but now we have like Get Out and we have Parasite,
and we have these incredible horror movies that that are
addressing social issues. And now our villains are you know,

(28:44):
elite cults or um and even horror and trauma with
like Hereditary and the Baba Duke and and you know,
it just it really tells something about where we're at.
And they're like our urban legends are fairy tales, you know,
they're they're so vital to understand in culture, but we
just like to think that they're they're trash, and you know,

(29:04):
but really Yeah, it's pretty fascinating too, because even with
I mean, even when a horror movie gets it wrong
in terms of the cultural anxiety they're expressing, which they
often do, it's still, like you're saying, it does kind
of contextualize at very least the filmmaker's perspective, but often
whatever a prominent line of thinking during that time where

(29:25):
I don't know. On the Bechtel Cast, we've been talking
about this a lot lately because we're recording our Halloween
month episodes of how often, like you said, hereditary And
I think ari Asket is a huge perpetrator of this
issue of like, uh, he just cannot write any anything
in relation to mental illness intelligently or well, um, he

(29:46):
just fumbles it every single time. And the opening scene
of Midsummer is like the most horrific misinterpretation of bipolar disorder,
maybe in all the film ever, but it does it
is very reveal about who he is and how he
views people I don't know like, and it's also a
very common stereotype that he's perpetuating there, and there's a

(30:09):
million examples of it. That's one that like, in the
past couple of years has just like stuck with me,
but it it is like revealing of like well, in
twenty nineteen, this was still a pretty popular, flawed way
of thinking and the way that like so often like
monsters are differently able than just there's so many. I mean,
it's fascinating and fucked up and yeah, horror, it's like

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they've they really that genre really like lays it out
for you, for better and for worse. Man, I love
what you said about him because he gets so like
people love those movies and I just cannot. I cannot.
And I read a quote from him because I did.
I used to blog about horror stuff, and I read
an interview from him that basically says he just tries
to do the most transgressive, fucked up thing. It's not

(30:56):
direct quote, but you know that that's his goal is
to make the most fun up thing he can. And
I think that that is such a weird yeah things
to do, you know, Like, I don't know, when you're
writing from somebody else's perspective, you can get in trouble
real fast that you don't understand, you know. So I
appreciate that, Chelsea. You said something about the clown uh

(31:18):
craze or the clown panic of a few years ago.
So I had seen a bunch of YouTube videos of
clowns doing or like clown sightings and stuff. Was that all?
Was that all made up? Because it kept me awake? Yeah, dude,
I mean like, so, I don't know. Did you watch

(31:38):
the Wrinkles the Clown documentary on Hulu? I just watched it.
I'm actually, dude, you know the podcast you're wrong about.
I don't know if you It's a great podcast, but
we're doing a crossover. I'm going on their show to
do a clown episode, which is like so much fun.
It's one of my favorite topics to talk about. But
there was a guy, uh if you watch the documentary

(32:00):
that he made a sticker that said call Wrinkles, uh
and then a phone number and the whole he created
this whole lord that parents were calling in to discipline
their children with him, so I think, and it was
all bullshit, Like it was just sort of like an
avant garde you know, whatever you want to call it
art thing um, but then you know it's it's a
hysteria in that like if you think of satanic panic

(32:23):
like children like most of these sightings, and it happened
in the eighties too. Um, very similar, but of course
it moved much slower because of the internet didn't exist.
But it was all over the country, which is more
interesting to me because it's so hard to spread those
you know, those ideas and those urban legends. But um, yeah,
he he did that. And then I think that what

(32:45):
I was saying is is, you know, they all come
from about seven year old kids, and when you're a
seven year old, you know, you can make up anything.
Like in the Satanic Panic. It was like their teachers
were flying around the room and you know, they were
being flown to Mexico and put in at pools full
of sharks. And everybody took this really, really seriously because
you know, it was a time when when assaults and

(33:07):
sexual abuse of children was finally kind of coming to
the forefront. But then it went too far, and everybody
believed everything that a seven year old said. Um, and
as we know, I can remember being a kid. And
there was this whole controversy where these two girls were
chased by a man with a scar on his face,
and you know, all these letters went home saying that

(33:27):
this was true. It was on the local news. It
turned out that they just were going to be late
getting home, and they made up a story and it
just got like madly out of control. I mean, can
you imagine the stress of that. And then, um, you know,
and then I just remember being like, oh, yeah, I
saw him. Oh absolutely, he was doing this and this,
and you know, I saw him in the woods. And
that's just what happens as kids like one up each

(33:49):
other and then the parents find out or they tell
the parents, and then the parents take it seriously, like men,
we're shooting their guns just into the woods, just straight
up into the woods because they thought they heard a
weird sound and their kids had said that a clown
lived in a shack in the woods. A metaphor for
it sounds like a metaphor for something. I don't know.

(34:12):
It sounds like Q and on ship to me. You know,
that's really interesting. The point about it was a time
when you know, it was being acknowledged that children were
being abused, and you know, after the seventies where it
was just such a creepy decade in terms of uh,
you know, like pedophilia was like a mainstream like thing. Um.

(34:37):
And but like it just reminds me of the two
prongs of the Q and on thing where yes, there's
a massive problem with human trafficking and sexual abuse of
minors that is being uncovered with the Epstein thing, and
it is in the upper echelons of society, but it's not.

(34:58):
But could there be anything more counterproductive into addressing that
than and well, and then you can just like what
better villain is there? Right? That you can't create a
better villain than a satanic pedophile, Like there is no
thing that society could more loathe and collectively loathe together.

(35:20):
So it's such it's such evocative thing to build a
movement around because it's so hard to say, oh, well,
that's not happening, and so it's just this very it's
just a terrible thing. And the upper echelons, of course,
are just as guilty of crimes against children as any
other sect of society. Like we act like this is

(35:40):
you know, like of childhood sexual abuses happening by people
that they know that the child knows, and so it's
this other sensational thing that's like, here's where abuse is happening,
so we don't have to deal with where most abuse
is happening. And so it's yeah, it's bombed, all right,
let's take another quick break and we'll be right back.

(36:10):
And we're back. So the NBA did come back over
the weekend after taking some time for what it was
basically a wildcat strike with the players striking. The players
Union got involved, they got some concessions from some of
the owners that you know, we we have to see
if the owners actually follow through on on those uh,

(36:35):
you know actions that they agreed to, But the league
is back, uh. And a story that we've kind of
been tracking is just that the ratings have been lower
than uh, I would have expected because we were all
so bored and so like so ready for sports to

(36:55):
come back when the NBA came back, and I was
expecting it to be like higher than it's ever been,
and it's actually been like lower than usual. And they're
also like, as I was kind of thinking about that,
the news broke that there really haven't been any uh
convention bounces from either the r n C or d

(37:16):
n C. And those were both you know, unique from
previous conventions in the sense that they were a different format,
Like it wasn't a bunch of people walking out onto stage,
but there was no crowd, and it just seems like
maybe the energy that a crowd kind of brings to

(37:38):
any anything that you're watching or especially being there is
just something that, uh I it's like sort of an
ineffable thing that you can't like scientifically quantify, but it's
definitely absolutely real and probably underrated in our modern world,
or had been underrated until until this pandemic. We always

(38:01):
need a confirmation of reality. So I feel like a
comedy shows, it's like you hear other people laugh and
you're like, yeah, we're all having fun here. Or I
mean that's why you don't tape a stand up special
without a crowd, you know what I mean, like you
always have one. And then with basketball it's the same thing.
I think it's that energy and watching other people. I
didn't realize how it was the connective tissue, you know,

(38:24):
in this situation. And that's also been surprising to me too, because,
like I was saying at the MTV Awards, I was like,
it was freaking me out that they put laugh tracks
under things. I was like, oh, yeah, it's so weird.
But I mean more people always equals more energy. Like
when you walk in any big event, I think people
in every sort of uh way, all types of um

(38:47):
big gatherings like missing that because like even before if
you go to like a concert, even before it starts,
you can feel that feeling or like a big game.
So I don't know, it makes sense to me that
that could have an effect on things. For sure. It's
probably also affecting the players. Like I imagine, like you're
out there, You're used to people screaming and shouting and

(39:08):
like hyping you up, and now it's just like y'all
are playing like scrimmage basketball. Yeah, yeah, like so that
it seems like they're cutting and actually running hard. They're edding.
Did you guys talk some ship please? Just like like

(39:29):
who's editing this? Like you like gonna get a couple
of colors in there? Yeah, I mean we we've I
have a theory that it's making the defense worse because
people are you need the crowd of energy, the home
crowd energy to like get you up for defense. But
like offensively, we're seeing people do like unbelievable ship and

(39:53):
it's just like they've always been capable of that. If
the defense was just like ten percent worse and just
people like offense has its own rewards, is like watching
the ball go through the hoop, and but like playing defense,
you have to like really draw on something else, drawn
like all your energy to give a shit about stopping
someone because it's so easy to miss, you know. Yeah.

(40:15):
I also wonder like subconsciously, there's so much other ship
going on in the world, like that's so much bigger,
Like for anyone in any job, it's got to be
like a little bit less easy to focus, you know. Yeah.
And I was just gonna say, after watching The Last
Dance Um, when Jordan's basically was saying that he had
no competition so he had to make up beefs with

(40:37):
people so that he think them like, I'm like, yeah,
I guess I all gotta get out there on the
defense and just take it personally, like make up some
things that they said about your mama before you'll play
because there's no crowd. He was, Oh my god. When
I watched that, I was like, this man is unwell,
and was like, oh wow, to be at it off,

(41:00):
you have to be very unwell to be at the
top of the stay at the top like you really need.
You have to be in a fight at all times.
You have to make the fight. And that was all
I needed, Yeah, was and that was something that like,
the ratings were just through the roof, and that's that's

(41:23):
the That's kind of why I thought, like, when the
NBA comes back, it's gonna be wild. But instead I think,
I think we need that. I think we need that crowd.
I think we need that, you know people, because in
all the Jordan clips, there were crowds, crowds dead. Oh
they talked cash it about him. If he had been alive,
I feel like nobody in that documentary would have went

(41:43):
as hard as they did. I was shocked. I have
a controversial opinion on him because you know, as an athlete,
and it's the same thing to me as a comedy
booker who takes credit for all the talent. Bitch, you've
never played a game even your life. You haven't done
ship And a lot of people are like, yes, but

(42:04):
he made the most winning franchise and he was cut throat.
I'm like, no, honey, he thought he was Jordan's and
he you're not Jordan's. You can barely run, okay. He
could not wait to break that team apart so he
could show everybody that it was really him who had
been the you know, the magic man behind the curtain

(42:26):
such a hater and there was somebody I don't I
forget who in the last dance. He was like, yeah,
he was an ugly little man and that was like,
damn little math. I wasn so mad at him. Everyone
was like, they're too hard on Jerry Krauss. I was like, no, bitch,
they said the truth and what that was that he

(42:47):
is not a basketball player and to break up the
the best team of all time. I'm still mad even
though he's dead. The book that is about the exact
same thing. The it's called Playing for Keeps and it's
about that last season and Jerry Krauss and like you know,
covers all the same stuff. It's by David Halbert Sam

(43:10):
who's like one of the best sports writers. And it
comes to the exact same conclusion that you just did.
It's just like this dude can't get out of his
own way, can't stop saying just wild ship. That's like, well,
they couldn't have done it without me. I put, I
put everybody. And they're like it's almost they portray him
as a as a tragic figure because he can't help himself. Yeah,

(43:33):
his ego is bigger than the people that are actually
doing the work or the art. That's like when these
comedy bookers like go off on you know, they make
all these big proclamations about comedy and that they know
what's best about comedy, and it's like, you have never
stepped on stage a day in your life. You truly

(43:54):
have no idea and you're not the artist. Yeah. Also,
like middleman are a scammer position. Someone has always figured
out how to separate people like the the art from
from the money. Yeah, and they slide in They're like,
this is what I do for you. Like it's like
you know, and there's they know that like that it's

(44:16):
it we It's kind of a weird comparison, but like
that knowledge that they've never been on there, like even
if they don't consciously think about it, it's in their
minds somewhere where they're just like there's like some insecurity
building up inside them. That's why they do, you know,
terrible things and are like terrible to people who don't

(44:36):
deserve it because there's insecurity. And I think that we've
talked about that with with regards to white supremacy, like
and just being a white person in America, you are
constantly aware of this contradiction of like, even if you
have never put it into words in your mind, there

(44:59):
is part of you that knows that you were born
with an unfair advantage and continue to live with one.
And I think that's where a lot of the just
toxicity and hatred is like trying to deny that. And um,
it's like the dissonance that like eats away and like
you know, really fox a culture. Yeah, yeah, I'm trying

(45:23):
to like scapegoat people are always looking for a reason why,
you know, Black people who have been unfairly murdered deserved it,
because that's always and that's not even just for black people,
Like I see white men do that with women and
sexual assault all the time. It's like or when Megan
the Stain got shot in the foot and I looked
at the comments, and that's black men looked at the

(45:45):
comments and they're like, well, what does she do? And
it's like there's nothing that she could have done to
deserve this little tiny man shooting her in the foot. Yeah,
cognitive dissonance, but for everyone is crazy, and it's so
much about like what we've ingested like unconsciously and subconsciously,
like throughout our lives from when we were like little kids.

(46:08):
That's crazy. Yeah yeah, and everyone has to deal with it.
It's not just white people. So I wish that maybe
if we all recognize that and weren't like, this is
just something that I have to deal with, and we
could be like, oh, okay, everyone has a privilege that
they have to check or like realize that they've had
their whole life and deal with it instead of trying
to blame the people who don't have things. And finally,

(46:29):
what is a myth? What's something people think is true
you know to be false? Um, the myth is that
if you get rabies you will definitely die. And the
myth I will debunk that because we have a protocol
called the Milwaukee Protocol that Um, Now, if you so basically,
if you get bit by a you know, a bad
or something like that, you can go and get a
propyl axis. But if you don't go to the But

(46:50):
if you don't know or you don't realize and you
go to the hospital once you have rayby symptoms, for
the most part, you will die like there's just nothing
you could do. But there's a doctor who Yeah, I'm sorry,
I got bad news. Yeah, if you get bit by
a bat. I was reading about this online and it's
like they're the number of people who are like, oh, yeah,
I was bit by a bat. And then just like
didn't tell anyone to go to the doctor, guys knock

(47:10):
it off, or or a raccoon or a postum, any
kind of woodland animal, just go just go to the art.
And then so basically this doctor develops like it's called
the Milwaukee Protocol, and they it was sort of on
necessity like this, a girl came in who had already
was already having rabies symptoms, which used is fatal, and
so he developed something called the Milwaukee Protocol where essentially

(47:32):
they just put you into a medically induced coma for
a month and then they revived you and hope that
sort of the effects of rabies has has passed out
of your body, because usually what kills you is the
effect of the virus. Like it's not like if you
could survive the additional symptoms then you could potentially live.
The problem with this is that it does work, but

(47:52):
it only works about um like one out of four people.
The rest of the time you're just not it's just over. Yeah,
So the myth you're busting is not that rabies is
a bad time. Rabies is still a bad time. You
don't recommend it two stars out of five, do it?
I might even give it one. Honestly, Wow, what I'm saying,

(48:14):
I'm saying, Yeah, if you get rabies, you what the
myth is you don't necessarily it doesn't mean you're going
to die. It means you have to go immediately, get
put into a coma and and see how it writes out. Yeah,
it's a good shot you might die. Yeah. Right. The
one thing I just do want to say, because my
mother is a card carrying member of the American Opossum Society,
it's very rare that possums would have rabies. Right, that's

(48:36):
a great point. Thank thank you so much for bringing
that up. It is very likely my mother will listen
and she'll be like, possums are don't have it, that's
they have a bad rap. Uh So, yeah, can get it.
But it's extremely rare for possums. Yeah, in America, it's
usually bats. Another part of the world like sometimes like stuff,

(48:57):
but yeah, it's usually bad. So I even bat is
even hear you. If you find a bad your house,
just go in like there's you don't sunk around. That
has always been my my instinct is to get the
funk away from that's they're such scary creatures. Do you
think people who get bit by bass so they don't
tell anyone because low key they're like, maybe some you know,

(49:19):
I might get some new skins or some some new
and then they're like, oh, my new skill is just
shaking violently and skills. I can't drink water anymore. Right,
they go watch something about it just kind of that's
not how he got it. Never mind, that's not his
origin story. Shit, Yeah, that's terrifying. I used to when

(49:44):
when I was growing up our house, multiple of our
houses in wheel in West Virginia had bat problems, and
I would wake up in the middle of the night
and be like, there's a bird in my room again,
and my dad would have to like chase the bad
out of the house with a tennis racket. Oh yeah,
I grew up on like in Northeast Ohio. I feel

(50:05):
like a bird or a bat guy in the house
every other week, like constantly, like if you left a
door ope, but they were getting in and we had
to chase them around with like a laundry basket and
try to capture them. I know. Uh, shout out to
Ohio and West Virginia, shout out to people who leave
their ship open all day where animals can get it.

(50:25):
I'm like, what the fuck? I know? Bird getting in
my house ever. But it's also because like you'd never
leave your door wide open or windows like wide open
with no screen at they're coming in through what they said,
there's a bird in your room. Oh, but then it
would get into the house from the attic, right, Yeah,

(50:46):
we we had a big snake problem. The snakes would
get into the basement and then crawl up through the
heating ducks into the house. That is yeah, my god,
there's what you were just watching emerge from the floor
and you're like a snake. Once my brother, what, my
youngest brother was coming out of his room and he
looks down like at the heating register on the ground
and there's just a snake coming out of it and

(51:06):
looking at him. And it wasn't like a poise of
the snake or anything, but that means that snake got
from the basement to the second floor of my parents
house through the heating ducks. Yeah, yeah, snake problems are
a real thing. At our house in Missouri had a
snake like it had like a little bog behind it,
and there were just snakes all the funk over the place.

(51:28):
It was very disturbing. Problems. Yeah, big bog problems, that's right. Up.
Occasionally we say incorrect medical facts medical science, so real
quick up top. Rabies is deadly. Uh. We one of

(51:51):
our guests did a medical myth busting on a recent episode. Uh,
and her science wasn't up to date. Basically rabies. She
was like, rabies you can survive at of the time sometimes. Uh.
And that there was like a podcast. I think that
would have led you to believe that. I think it
was radio lab that it was more survivable. But they

(52:15):
were talking about one specific example. Historically, one person has
survived rabies by being put into a medically induced coma.
Otherwise it kills you of the time. So don't funk
with rabbit animals, Zeke Gang. How many times do I
have to tell y'all? Uh? Yeah, we we always always

(52:36):
get into trouble anytime we are trying to do a
myth busting about medical facts. So we week not. Le'll
start this episode off making out with them raccoons. They're

(52:57):
not there, but they are deadly steal All right, that's
gonna do it for this week's weekly Zeite. Guys, please
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