Weekly Zeitgeist 400 (Best of 9/22/25-9/26/25)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The
Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from
this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza.
Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Anyways, Miles,

(00:25):
We're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by
one of our favorite guests. A brilliant writer, podcaster, producer
who's written for publications like The New York Times, The
New York Red, Bally Ledge Absolute Ledge leg my great
article in The New York Times about her legend and
her upcoming show. The producer on Everybody's Live with John Mulaney,

(00:49):
was the co host of the legendary leadcast Girls and
Hoodies and a Night Call. The writer, creator and host
of Heidi World, The Heidi Flight Story, and soon Jenna World.
Jenna Jamison's Rise The New York Times.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Reason.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
New York Times article was about that upcoming podcast and
also Molly Lambert's Rise. Please welcome back to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Molly Lambert.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Hello, Hello, Hello.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
It's time.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
It's time.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
I feel like Molly.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Let's get ready to Lambert.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
I was gonna do. Let's get ready to rapture.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Hell yeah, how are you feel about the rapture?

Speaker 4 (01:34):
Pretty good? I mean that would be a great time
I think for for a reset.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah, just drop some drop some
dead weight, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, yeah, see where it goes. See where the chips land.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Belated Russiashana to everyone, Happy New Year.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:52):
I was thinking about that piece that they covered you
in for the Jenna World thing, and how you went
to the old Vivid offices like off Kuwanga across from
then you sagned dealership that is now dead in a
skeleton graveyard, and I was just thinking of like how
often I would go to that bar next to the
Hollywood Ive thing.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
The weird that building was so fucking weird where Vivid
Video used to be housed in that whole area.

Speaker 6 (02:16):
It's like the liminal zone of Universal City. And it
used to be that you'd see the Vivid Entertainment sign
and that was like the sign you were entering the valley.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, when you heard that, I was like, Yep, that
feels right.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Now it's the Minion the Universal which also feels right.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, we've changed.

Speaker 6 (02:37):
You see the Minion, Like you're like driving, you know,
out of the valley or into the valley.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
It's just like, do you do your kids respond to
the minion jack? Do they have they have you taken
them to.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
They've never been really, I mean, they love the millions,
but they've never been so impressed. I think I think
maybe once they saw it and they were like, oh yeah, minion,
But it's quickly become background noise because anytime you're driving
on the one oh one, like it's just up there.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
Do you think the minions are mad about La Boo Boos'll.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Be mad about the way that I'm just mad about Saffron?

Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yeah, like laboos are taking taking their spot?

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Oh oh angry? Yeah, yeah, jealous maybe. I mean the
I would say like putting those two things together, that
that really highlights the strengths of the of the menion
over La Boo Boo being you know, lab Boo Boo
don't have doesn't have personality.

Speaker 5 (03:27):
People are talking about how the there are people looking at
the markets and being like, I don't know, man, the
pop march stock is going up and down.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
What does this mean? Does La Boo Boo demand waning?

Speaker 4 (03:37):
It's like, yeah, there's gonna it's gonna crash. It's gonna crash.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
You can somebody fucking la boo boos. You know what
I mean? Look that babies.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
A non believer would say.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Exact yeah, I would say demons. I would say the
same sentence with just different emphasis. You can have so many.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
Well, I'm so happy for you guys, because you'll be
able to have all the lab boo boos you want
once I get to go to heaven and you're left behind.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Ye, when Jack and I are living on the trash
island of.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
With all all the laboo booths of all the people
got raptured, that would be funny if, like it turns out,
the criteria for rapture is just who have most laboo boots?
What can I say? I'm a band.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Sorry man, it was me Pezuzu the whole time.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Anyways, it's a great profile, some awesome pictures of the valley,
really good encapsulation of the Molly Lambert experience.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Mm HM is something from your search history that's revealing
about who you are or what you're into.

Speaker 7 (04:43):
It's a perfect segue because normally Paulay I would do
something where I would say a YouTube video that I've
been listening to you watching too, it's.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Watching you already gave up music?

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Can we reschedule?

Speaker 7 (05:04):
No? But I this time, I'm going to talk about
my podcast, Colbrew Got Me. Like, so I did one
the other day and I noticed that, like they've started
doing these. I noticed it before, but I never really
read them. They started doing AI chapters on your podcast,
like against your Will on Spotify, Like like they they

(05:28):
AI will say what your podcast is about in chapters,
like like you know that aique listens to it and
then spits out these chapters right, And at first I
was I was just like I don't want that service,
but I don't think that it I can't find a
way to turn it off. But I also thought about
what it's for. It's like if I say I have
a podcast, like I'm going through customs or something, and
they're like, you have a podcast, we see what's it about,

(05:50):
you know? And it's like, oh, it's called Coldbrew Got Me,
Like it's just about funny stuff.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
And they're like, okay, well talking about some pretty stuff.
We can just.

Speaker 7 (05:57):
Refer to the fucking summary here. We don't have to
podcast liberal Chris.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Fucked your mom and a guys, like, what the fuck yeah.

Speaker 7 (06:07):
So this this, this cold brew got me, Like podcast
sounds harmless, but it's really all about what we're facing today,
and so it's also sometimes you know, it's funny, but
it's it's it's kind of a serious podcast. But like, anyway,
I'm I just don't like the idea that AI can
tell these fools whether you're a liberal in two seconds,
or whether liberal I hate the word liberal, whether you're anti.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Fascist terrorist nowadays, I know, I know they can.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
So can them to the club every non brown person.

Speaker 7 (06:38):
So you can tell them so they can find out
if you're like, you know, they can find out other ways.
But anyway, listen to this summary of my podcast, and
also what's funny about it is this. First of all,
it's it's dystopian, but second of all, it's funny because
it makes my podcast sound so fucking depressing.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
It's incredible.

Speaker 7 (06:57):
Oh my god, so great. Greg was couldn't be on
the show. So this last one I did by myself. Okay,
the title of the podcast is Free Solo four The
Great Toaster Scam. So that's what you're missing. By the way,
if you're not listening to my podcast, find out what
that is. I would, I would assume you'd like to
know what free Solo four The Great Toaster Scam is about.

(07:17):
You should want to know, so anyway here you can
find out right here. Chapter one Capitalism's Toaster Scam and
New Beginnings. Chapter two, Sound Bath Tennessee and Capitalism's Mental Toll.
Chapter three, Unpacking the Charlie Kirk corporate clickbait phenomenon. Chapter four,

(07:38):
The Lonely Illusion of the American Dream.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Waitness is Fired Dude.

Speaker 7 (07:47):
Chapter one, two, three, four, five, six, Recognizing Authoritarianism, Project
twenty twenty five and Wealth Concentration. Chapter seven. The Advice King,
Redefining Poor in America. Chapter eight, Living off twentieth century fumes.
Colon Global Corruption.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Chapter nine.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
You're in a Louisiana prison.

Speaker 7 (08:13):
I'm sorry, Oh my god, that's what I'm I just
think it's anyway that the rest of the rest.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Is also so we're delighted in the AI.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Some races, you know, you actually tell people you podcast
like out loud.

Speaker 7 (08:26):
Well, I mean I don't. I don't go through customs
very much, so it's like usually harmless. I'm just telling
like people, you know.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Trying to get the podcast out there.

Speaker 7 (08:33):
Yeah, you see I'm just telling like the people who
are like, you know, my ketamine, the people who are
giving me my ketemine, I tell them about my podcast
and they're like, we don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
I just say I tell people I sell bespoke guns
for dogs.

Speaker 7 (08:45):
That's what you say.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, yeah, Like they're like, oh, these are like bespoke guns,
like pistols I create for dogs, so cute. Yeah, And
then they're like, Okay, great, that guy makes dog guns.

Speaker 7 (08:55):
They don't have to say, all of you, I'm also
doing ketamine therapy, and so I like the same way
I promote when I was having panic attacks panic attacks
back in the nineties, and I'd get an ambulance ride
and I'd promote my CD to the ambulance guy.

Speaker 8 (09:07):
Yeah, like promoted my stand us. One of my paramedics
follows me on Instagram.

Speaker 7 (09:13):
Yes, that's exactly right. And that's that's where people who
are like, yeah, like who are the true artists? Are
outside the system promoting their ship to medical providers.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Right right, right, And that's the audience you gotta tap man.

Speaker 7 (09:24):
One physical therapist at a time. That's my model for fame.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Physical occupational therapist at the times read the word.

Speaker 7 (09:32):
And I'm telling these people like physical therapists and like
ketamine administrators, they're all like nurse, I don't know how
to say it, like medical assistance and stuff. And they're
like they're just pretty square, you know a lot of
the time, especially in Tennessee. And so I try and
tell them about my podcast, and I just can't imagine
like them watching reading that summary and me trying to
tell them it's a fun podcast.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Right right right. They're like, it's super fun.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
It's not.

Speaker 7 (09:54):
I know, it sounds I know, the lonely illusion of
the American dream makes it sound depressing, but it's also
it's it's.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
Such a universal experience you are having right now. So
you know, they'll probably hear.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
And they're like, oh my god. I well, no, no,
I didn't think about this.

Speaker 7 (10:10):
I recommend the podcast, even though you know, I do
admit that living off twentieth century fumes colon global corruption
doesn't sound that fun.

Speaker 8 (10:20):
It is really relevant to physical therapist, So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 (10:25):
So I tell people I have a podcast like that,
you know, you know, it's not helpful. Probably I don't
always tell them. I mean, it depends, like am I ketymine?
People I've been doing kenemine now for like six months,
so like I know those people pretty well. So then
eventually they just start asking what.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
I yeah, right right right yeah.

Speaker 7 (10:42):
And I'm also on a drug that makes me talk
because I'm high, you know, So I started telling them
all this stuff. That's how I started telling my guy
takes my blood pressure Xavier. I tell him, you know,
like He's like, what are you listening to it?

Speaker 9 (10:54):
I'm like, okay, hippa, yeah, and I'll say John Denver
and he goes John Dunbar, miser, that is John Dunbar.

Speaker 7 (11:06):
Yeah, he didn't know. You didn't also know. He's like,
I was like, you don't know John Denver is he's
like thirty years old. Yeah, a thirty year old black man.
He has no fucking idea.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
He's like, no, I have no who who you know?

Speaker 7 (11:17):
We have a good time, Like He'll been listening to
like the old white guy trying to tell him about John.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Denver, John Dunbar, Dude, I've John John Dunbar.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
That is so funny.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
What is something you think is overrated efficiency?

Speaker 10 (11:32):
I think I spent a time, a lot of time
studying algorithms, studying how people optimize for things, and I
don't think that's where we find meaning and things like
uber eats, like delivering something straight to your doorstep. You
don't experience the friction that makes life feel worth living.
You don't bump into your friend in the street, you
don't interact with your local community. The efficiency of algorithms
and how everything is streamlined in society is kind of

(11:53):
boring to me.

Speaker 5 (11:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, unless you're yeah, unless you hate running
into people you went to high school with in public
when you're high and you just want to get taco
bell just just quietly.

Speaker 11 (12:04):
There's a time employece.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
I always found people to be an impediment to the
efficiency of commerce, and so yeah, that's why I'm really
excited about this new direction that our society has taken.
This This actually gets to kind of my first question
for you is just, you know, the difference between I
feel like you did a post on like quant speak

(12:29):
and like how the the language of efficiency is sort
of bleeding in. Like I one example that I've noticed,
I don't know if this would be categorized the same
in yearbook, but like the phrase replacement level is the
thing that I've like from the world of sports analytics,
which is just like yeah, they're like an average player,

(12:49):
but it like adds this sort of dark fascist like
Thomas the tank engine thing, where like everybody is just
replaceable in your changeablities. Yeah, people as commodities. Like so
I do I notice that as a as a newish
trend sort of vying with the more broad trends of

(13:10):
like language. It seems too historically and even modern like
today feel it's like a democratic phenomenon. It's like not
top down and it's you know, it comes from like
teenagers or like frequently persecuted minority groups, and like it's
a way for people without officially sanctioned power to like

(13:34):
weird wield their creativity and like power, which is I think,
I think beautiful. And that's what you see with a
lot of these linguistic trends that scare people online. But
then yeah, I do. I do see also, you know,
whether it be the world of like you know, like
analytics people are stat people, or just like corp the

(13:55):
corporate world, you know, creating these new phrases. I feel
like that's sort of an interest like dark and light
side battle that we see in linguistics happening all the time.
Do you think about it that way at all?

Speaker 10 (14:08):
That's so interesting, you know, I think there's each community
always finds the best way to speak for that community,
and it changes as the vibe changes. Again, I think
the vibe is important here. It's very probably true that
since the moneyball era started, the sports language has gotten
more about like quantifying things, and you're talking more about
things like RBIs than you used to. Probably people care
about stats a lot more. I think as communities have

(14:31):
shared values, language emerges to reflect those values. So the
video you were referencing was about how math nerds and
cs people kind of find streamline optimized ways of communicating.
I think that's definitely true, because their goal is to
find efficient ways, maybe mathematically, to express things. Same things
happening with middle schoolers, right. Middle schoolers are just vibing

(14:52):
in that they are using language to connect with other
middle schoolers, to differentiate their identity from adults. And that
distinction between top down and bottom up is kind of
constant that we always impose like a layer, like through
dictionaries or through formal rules of what language is supposed
to be. But then in reality that doesn't fit onto everybody,
and then different communities find their own ways of expressing
themselves rightly.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Gaylyn, what's someone you think is overrated? I'm sorry, Lauren,
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 12 (15:19):
I'm Lauren d Titanic now and forever. Something that's overrated
is American cheese. And what I'm also mean by this
is I don't think people are out here being like
American cheese is awesome, So I don't think it's overrated
in that sense, but the fact that it exists at
all is a travesty. That is, it is the most
disgusting shit I've ever had. I don't know why. It's

(15:41):
an option. You go to places and it's like, oh,
do you want your omelet with American cheese?

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (15:46):
You want American cheese on your burger?

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Please?

Speaker 8 (15:48):
No?

Speaker 12 (15:49):
Why is it there? It tastes like plastic. It's horrible,
It's disgusting. It's just like a slab of like yucky salt,
like congealed oiled and like it's It makes.

Speaker 8 (16:00):
Me feel better about vegan cheese because I'm like, it's cardboard.
I'm eating microplastics, So this makes me feel a little
bit better that than American cheese are both bad.

Speaker 12 (16:10):
I would hazard to guess that every vegan cheese is
better than America, like traditional American American.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
I've had a few.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
Look, American cheese has like the superior melt, you know,
because it's just like a big little flap of melty ship.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
But like, yeah, the flavors is not there. It's more
of a texture than like a flavor to me.

Speaker 12 (16:32):
But the flavor that is there is disgusting. I hate it.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
I guess if you eat like a straight up raw,
I call it raw, you're.

Speaker 12 (16:41):
Raw dogging American.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Because normally I like to do it safe. I eat
it with the plastic sleeve on.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
But if you eat it raw and you take the
slice out of the plastic sleep, yeah, that's a different experience.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Then you do not ask to eat it raw.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Okay, don't be weird about American.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Having this single slice crafty.

Speaker 5 (17:01):
I was in the GQ man etiquette list. Okay, the
only you can't even eat American cheese wrong.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Please be safe.

Speaker 8 (17:10):
A woman won't even let you eat American wrong anymore.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
What is this country coming to? With gloves?

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Now?

Speaker 3 (17:19):
What's going on?

Speaker 5 (17:20):
Hugged with Gloves It's my new blog, hug with gloves
with gloves.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Yeah, it's amazing. We're getting a lot of traffic actually
right now.

Speaker 5 (17:27):
But yeah, American cheese, I think it's the only time
trying to even think, like I just tolerate it, like
and fast food, just because I'm like, great, it's that texture,
but buying it no, Like, even if I make grilled
cheese melts easier, it's better with other cheese.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
You just gotta know how to go grilled cheese.

Speaker 12 (17:45):
Some Havardi or something like, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Like, have you heard of any other cheese?

Speaker 5 (17:52):
Okay, somebody stop back from thirty two windsor lane or
windsor gardens or whatever.

Speaker 12 (17:59):
And if you add some marmalade to your grilled cheese.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
And you dress like a little bear.

Speaker 8 (18:09):
Marmalade like a big aspect of your diary.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Lag and wearing tabble coats.

Speaker 12 (18:15):
You know what happened One time for my birthday, someone
knowing that I love Paddington, gave me like six jars
of marmalade. And that's a nice gesture, and that's the
thought that counts. But I don't actually like marmalade, So
I just have like six jars of this condiment that
I don't know how to eat really or like yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Need it with the jar because you're not raw dogging.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Glass.

Speaker 12 (18:43):
So I made like a marmalade cake that was like
horribly executed.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
You do you bake?

Speaker 12 (18:51):
Not really, I don't. I don't cook or bake in general.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Let me do two things that I'm unfamiliar with and.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
Maybe it will turn out fine to work, but also
just shows how expendable the marmalade is.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Like fuck it, I'll take a punt on baking this
cake or whatever.

Speaker 12 (19:05):
Yeah, yeah, I did throw a lot of it away.

Speaker 5 (19:08):
Well ie opening, eye opening, y'all. Venmo, Lauren dy Titanic, let's.

Speaker 12 (19:12):
Get Yeah, I gotta go to London and Lauren to London.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
The Lauren to London campaign has half begun because I
just want to live vicariously through someone who like loves
a thing.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
You can't be the girl who didn't go to London?
Is that a reference you guys get or no?

Speaker 1 (19:29):
No?

Speaker 8 (19:29):
What is that from the OC or like the Hills
or whatever?

Speaker 3 (19:34):
What is it that reality show where that she.

Speaker 8 (19:36):
She didn't she stayed instead of going with a boy,
instead of following her fashion job.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Oh that was probably that was probably the Hills, The Hills. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Kristin Cavalaria.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
I think it was Lauren Conrad. That's what I was
thinking about.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Lauren now making great children's clothing. I might really no hasht.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
Rate, no promo, but someone someone after the fire, someone
donated some baby clothes to us.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
That was That was elt Lauren Conrad Ronde, Kay LC,
I'll be seeing you later. All right, let's take a
quick break. We'll be right back and you know, news
after this.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
And we're back. We're back and yeah. So first of all,
I think like this seems like a great corner. I
just want to congratulate you, like just such a good time,
such a wealth of material. It's like, you know, you're
trying to study a culture, like it's just like the
Internet is like a real time live like GG where

(20:43):
you can just like watch all of the things happening,
all of the different tools being used by the culture
that you're studying.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
There.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
There's definitely, as Miles you alluded to, like there we
see a lot of stories about education sliding in the
United States and that being associated with how people use
language or just like I get I guess everything just
gets associated with like well this this generation is bad. Yeah,

(21:12):
just look at them. But I don't know, I feel
like that's a time honor tradition that happens with every
every generation, but this generation is particularly screwed, but not
not because of Italian brain rot.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
I would say, yeah, well, I think just to like
preface all that, like there's this, you know, the group
that comes out like with the Nation's report Card, Like
if you know the Nation's report Card dot gov, which
is like a congressional you know, congressionally funded thing where
they assess just sort of like what the educational system
is like and how students are performing.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Like the most recent one was pretty bleak.

Speaker 5 (21:46):
They're basically saying like twelfth graders have like they are
reading at their lowest level since this even process began
of assessings in nineteen ninety two, and the math scores
are as as the lowest they've been in twenty years.
And I think, you know, a lot of people want
to point to different things. They'll be like, well, it's
the pandemic lockdowns, or it's social media, or it's the

(22:06):
dang fucking skibbitty toilet nonsense that's doing it all. But again,
we've seen these trends sort of they predate COVID and
a lot of these other things because I think, you know,
there's been a systematic defunding of public education and now
we have like a literal villain from entertainment wrestling who
doesn't know AI from a one stake sauce sort of
at the wheel. So don't see much happening to that trend.

(22:29):
But I think again, there's like this a cycle, but
right now it does kind of fit with a sort
of bleak assessment that, yes, while our education system is
in a pretty dark era right now, it's not always
like this thing to lay at the feet of just
basic like and that's why they talk in this way
where I don't understand the words. Back when I was

(22:51):
working at the Triangle Shape shirtwaist factory, we weren't talking
like that.

Speaker 10 (22:56):
Maybe one of my hottest takes is that literacy is
a little bit of a construct.

Speaker 11 (23:00):
Yeah, I think it.

Speaker 10 (23:00):
To be clear, I think it's incredibly important we should
have incredible literacy rates in math education and all that
really does matter, but also it's a metric of how
proficient we are in the medium of reading, which is
sort of, let's be really honest, with ourselves in a
cultural moment. It's sort of a dying medium, and we
also are facing and consuming content in other mediums like algorithms,

(23:21):
and I think these Skippity generation kids are more literate
in the algorithmic medium than a lot of boomers are.
They know like sort of oh, this looks AI generated,
and boomers are getting tricks by like Ai slop Jesus
shrimp on Facebook in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 11 (23:35):
They don't know what's happening at all.

Speaker 10 (23:37):
The boomers don't understand algorithms nearly as well as Jen
Alfa does. So I would say there's a high literacy
in a different medium because that medium is more president
our society. Unfortunately, that does mean a decreased maybe literacy,
and I think it is related. Because we're consuming algorithms,
we are less literal. I think that's probably true. But
it also has to do with the role of media
or society, and books shouldn't be the only paragon of

(23:59):
f pistemic wealth in our society. Of like information that
we are consuming, we should be literate in all forms
of media. So that means I literally think there should
be classes in how to look at TikTok and at
the same time there should be classes in how to
read books because of the more different types of information
we can consume, the better it is overall.

Speaker 5 (24:16):
So are you necessarily saying like it's overblown that literis
like reading comprehensives, Like you're just saying there, maybe zoom
out a bit, because.

Speaker 10 (24:24):
I don't want to say anything that could be construed
as I don't think it's important to read.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
I think.

Speaker 10 (24:30):
And I think we should really have good literacy rates,
but I think we should also be paying equal attention
to being literate in algorithms. And I think like media
literacy is something people talk about but as a buzzword,
and they don't really understand what that means to really
be fluent in what it means to engage online and
to go viral because there are so many like outside

(24:52):
forces manipulating our understanding of reality in the online space,
literal government psyops. There is just AI flood things. You
don't know what's real and what's not real, And it's
that kind of literacy where you can understand how to engage.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Right, So you're saying, just sorry not to take us back,
but you're saying that that Jesus made out of shrimp
was not real, That wasn't actually.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Just it looks just exactly like that looks so much.

Speaker 10 (25:19):
I think whenever we talk about kids not being literate
in books, we should also be talking about boomers not
being literate on TikTok.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yes yeah, or TikTok filtered down to Facebook, which rights,
which is like diluted TikTok slottery.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, some of the worst.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, I do. Like so, I feel like etymology sometimes
gives us these weird like windows into history speaking of boomers,
Like lately, I've been pointing out how dumb I feel
when I use the word movies ever since I realized
what that word like, the etymology of that. Like we

(25:57):
joke about people calling movies talkies because they're like, God damn,
that moving picture just talked, but not realizing the reason
we call them movies is because god damn that picture
just moved things moving kill it. Are there other words
like that where they like give you a portal into
just like how different people were, like either stupid or simpler,

(26:21):
or just like how different perception?

Speaker 10 (26:24):
Yeah, well, I was just reflecting on Instagram reels, like
what's the real reel used? To be a film reel,
which was a literal like spool of film that was
reeled around like a fishing reel, and then that got
abstracted to the sense of this clip that you watch,
and then that got abstracted to the thing you scroll
on Instagram meals. And in fact, now that I just said,
the word scroll, scroll comes from unfurling like a scroll.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Like the field.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Like, that's still how I consume Instagram. But virus skull dry, Yeah,
use your wooden dowls.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
What do we have today?

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (27:00):
Or a podcast being iPod plus broadcast, broadcast being a
style of communication where you disseminate information like it used
to be broadcast seeding in agriculture, which is a style
of dispersing seeds. So like this agricultural metaphor goes all
the way back and influences the word podcast. I don't know,
turn up the volume. We don't often turn a knob

(27:23):
anymore or hang up the phone. I often don't hang
things anymore.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Like that.

Speaker 10 (27:26):
We have these sort of vestiges in our language, And
that's kind of what's compelling to me about etomology that
it tells this story about who we were in the
past and how we've evolved as a culture.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. One thing, just going through some of
your posts on butterflies.

Speaker 11 (27:38):
Let me stop you on the word post, Like why
do we call it a post? What's up with that?
It used to be like physically something was nailed to
a post.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah, in the town I was just noticing. This actually
made me sad. I was noticing at my doctor's office,
like in the hospital, the waiting room they called the
town square because they're like trying to appropriate I guess
the language of community and stuff, which I feel like

(28:06):
is all over the place. That like, as we're being
kind of converted into these little, you know, cellular beings
of like consumption and you know that just being isolated
from one another, I feel like that people are like trying,
or like corporations are like trying to just like gesture

(28:26):
at like old style community things to just be like, hey, guys,
like we're we're all part of the same community, hanging
out in a town square. Wait, so hosting things to
one another? Would you like check in for employment? Then
like okay, I have a seat in the town square
in the town square, and I was like, uh yeah,

(28:48):
and then everybody just sits there and waits for their
name to come up on a screen.

Speaker 10 (28:52):
I think there's a lot of like community buzzwords. I
don't in the content creation space. I'm so sick of
the word authenticity, Like we all know we want authenticity,
but they're around that word like like it doesn't mean
anything anymore.

Speaker 5 (29:03):
Yeah, that's the part that I'm really like in hearing
you talk about algorithms and also just like how algorithms
are informing how people speak that you know, Like, so
there is so much power in these algorithms and some
people I think maybe are aware of it, and maybe
others somewhat aware but to a lesser extent, maybe not
fully understanding, like that vise are being manipulated for someone

(29:25):
else's gain a lot of the time. But like, you know,
I was struck by your ted talk when you talked
about how like algorithms find a way to quickly like
to get people into this hyper compartmentalization, and that the
algorithm point of these algorithms is to sort you more easily,
and that the idea that you know, when you get

(29:46):
into something and you're saying like oh I'm into cottage core,
gork core fashion or whatever. Now it's like, like you said,
you're like the algorithm actually gave you that identity based
on what you were interacting with. And that's like a
really a sort of mind fucked kind of thing too,
that people are also chasing algorithmic words to a get
their content we've seen more or to be more popular.

(30:09):
And I see this a lot in especially like sports
talk on YouTube, or I just see it a lot
in any YouTube where it's about commentary, where people know
that using certain words or certain talking points or certain
topics as outrage bait is just how you get more eyeballs,
like on your shit. But it's no longer sincere expression
because now you are completely chasing the algorithmic goal of relevance.

(30:33):
And like you know, when I like, I'm curious now
like no one is just saying how they feel in
certain again certain genre like YouTube content, no one exactly
says how they feel. They just see they just say
what they believe will get increased engagement. How do you
see like that playing out? Just sort of as we
go down the road, like as sort of this way
of thinking becomes more consolidated or like one track, because.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
It's it used to be.

Speaker 5 (30:57):
It's like well, this person's interesting and people are interested
what there's saying, and now it's like, no, I need
to say these five words to get my shit up
and the algorithmic ratings and then that's how I will
become relevant.

Speaker 10 (31:08):
Yeah, I mean we're definitely performing for the algorithm. There's
this idea of like signaling not only to your audience,
but like using words as metadata, because the algorithm reads
everything when you upload it. It knows that you're using
certain words and will use those words to target your audience.
Metadata is and just like hashtags anymore, it's anything that
gives information about content and the video itself. The words
you use in the video are information. So it all

(31:30):
becomes part of this loop of the algorithm being able
to categorize more, identify more, pin you down as a
person better. Right, And we are playing into that, I
will say, like people have always been performing and playing
into like I think TV broadcasters are really fake, Like
they don't they're performing.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
You don't know anyone who speaks like this ATAM, right.

Speaker 11 (31:52):
They're performing for the.

Speaker 10 (31:53):
Idea of how you're supposed to talk on TV. And
I think influencers are performing for the idea of how
you're supposed to talk on social media. When I write
a book, I'm speaking in formal English, which is not
really how I speak in normal life, but I'm performing
for the idea of how you're supposed to write a book.

Speaker 11 (32:04):
All of it's a little bit fake.

Speaker 10 (32:06):
I think it's okay to reconcile that fakeness with recognizing
that we are going to communicate differently in each medium.
That being said, let's take a step back and look
at what these algorithms are doing. And yeah, it's really
weird that they run under a system called techno feudalism
where they simultaneously like, are that we create the product,
we consume the product, and we are the product. And

(32:28):
all they do is they find more ways to put
us into boxes and understand how we fit into this
product space, and everything is commodified. All of our language
is evolving through this consumerist lens of what can make
the algorithms money.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Just extract value through like, you know, observation and like
selling information about you or selling something directly to you,
like and you're just like kind of they're dancing for them.

Speaker 10 (32:52):
You can't communicate without generating value for them. To go
viral is to help the platform.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Right, and that's what and that's what excites me about
this is that great value for my Wickerberg.

Speaker 11 (33:04):
Yeah what value?

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (33:05):
What could we be talking about right now, Adam? Just
so I can maybe up our algorithmic score.

Speaker 10 (33:09):
Which would be talking about All right, I think we're
past the summer of the machula Boo doo buy chocolate,
but I don't mind saying one more time, just in case.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
We try to much a little bit much, a little
bit of chilolate, uh huh, trying average like three of
those six And to be clear, six seven doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 11 (33:33):
Right, It's kind of like skimmity.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
It's just funny. Yeah, yeah, I just looking back, looking
back at as I was mentioning some of your posts
on like the origin of butterfly names, because that's something
that I have a seven year old. Seven year olds
are very curious about, Like this is a naturally fascinating
subject matter for just I think all humans. And like
my seven year old this morning was asking me for

(33:56):
the origin of fifty cents name because like art book
had a piece of art that had like fifty cents
head on a cockroach's body. He's like, who's that why
is he called fifty cent? Like they just you know,
they constantly want to know why is everything called everything?

Speaker 2 (34:12):
But a text book has a fifty bug Me.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
No, No, it's like an art It's like a street
art book that we before him. He didn't like. It's
not through school.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
I got it, got it, got out. My curriculum is
taken off.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah, things are fucking cool now in a second grade.
But butterflies come up a lot because every time we
see a butterfly come through, I need to know the
name and the derivation. I was looking at one of
your posts, and so two names that I think are
like interesting little portals into history. One is California's Sister,
which I just thought was a cool name because I

(34:51):
just think it's cool to call people brother and sister
and it's but it's actually just like a nun. People
are like that. That looks like a nun's habit because
it's black and white, and which is I guess, a
window into history when like forty percent of all humans
you'd encounter on a daily basis, for like priests and nuns.
So that was like the only recdude.

Speaker 11 (35:12):
I was I was thinking about the word habit, the
other day.

Speaker 10 (35:14):
It's crazy they brought that up, because habit like like
a routine, like a thing that we do that comes
from the sense of like clothing that like nuns would wear.
It was just like, so it's like a routine that
of them to put on have fun's habit. Everyone to
start calling that a habit to do something as a routine,
it crazy.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
It's just nuns all the way down. When you go
back to history.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
They were the first drag queens given us the culture
back then.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
The worst drag queens effort, it's just the least. But
then the other one that was like the opposite of
that was painted Lady, which I always thought was just
like a pretty sounding word, but it's a historical word
for sex workers, which yeah, so you have.

Speaker 11 (35:54):
To like understand in both extremes.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yeah, you have to understand history through the prism that
people were, I feel like, usually starving, usually slightly drunk,
and just ravenously horny at all times. And so like
Painted Lady, they were.

Speaker 11 (36:08):
Just like, what's really different Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, yeah, I think just less starving maybe and less
drunk for sure, but still incredibly horny. But the fact
that they saw a butterfly, and we're like.

Speaker 10 (36:23):
That speaks to their reality. I think what we name
things really is an indicator of what's going on. You know,
if we're naming things absurdly right now, that's because there's
something deeply dissonant with our current understanding of society. So
I don't think six' seven is like some arbitrary. THING
i think it's you, know it's reacting to the current
state of.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Modernity, yeah or in the official version of, things it's
actually just the height of the president and that's why
they're referencing six because he's six foot seven And takashi
six wrong and.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Cool.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
YEAH i think one thing is just so funny to
me is like we're looking at how eleven year olds
talk and then being like society's, cooked and you're, like
they're fucking. Eleven you know, what there's this thing just how.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Eleven year old's talking is how eleven year old's, talk
and everybody starts using.

Speaker 10 (37:08):
It and YET i think there's something deeper to what
these eleven year olds find. Compelling if you look At Skibbity,
toilet for, example it's a story diegetically narrated through the
lens of a. Camera headed android and these camera headed
creatures are interacting with other cameras like with, iPads and
they're fighting this fictional series of. Toilets but what that
means is it's a state of technology versus the basist

(37:28):
thing you're taught is like the bad where bad things,
go which is the. Toilet so it's like this law
force Versus, yeah well it literally if you're an On
Michael bay, version you're, like, wait we should be doing
a critical reading Of skibby. TOILET i think you're an
iPad in this state of, technology like you understand that
like this is some deep reflection of their state of.

Speaker 11 (37:50):
Reality.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
YEAH i was reading a lot about death earlier this,
year and just, like you, know our fear of, death
and historically it's very connected to shit because it's like
that's the most base like human like animal body thing that. Happens,
though like you can't deny that you're just an animal
that's going to die in the context of, shit you,

(38:12):
know it's just like so far from anything. Else so
that that's Interesting also that like that is you, know
this higher level like, robot camera headed thing that is
like what people feel like they're involved evolving toward and
then the enemy is head in toilet like human animal,
dead you, know dying shit. Body. INTERESTING i FEEL i feel, like.

Speaker 10 (38:36):
Yeah i've never thought about this, lens that skimpy toilet
is a confrontation of her own. MORTALITY i think that's
a very poignant point you raise.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
IT i saw like early case studies When picassa was
doing The, guernica AND i felt like there was a
skibbity toilet in. There replaced it with a conforted. Mother but,
yeah right, now that's, Crazy, yeah damn.

Speaker 10 (39:00):
Crazy YEAH i should invest in skibbitty shoes as.

Speaker 5 (39:04):
Well, yeah or maybe just put make skibbitty toilet like The.
GWERNICA i feel like that crossover you put.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Scar really the.

Speaker 10 (39:11):
Point is that it's. Synonymous it's the horrors of war
and technology and. MODERNIZATION i think that's the lens to
read it through. That you know, why it is this
period of time when we look At Marcel douchamp's, fountain you,
know that's a urinal and we go back to we're
talking about dataism in the modern.

Speaker 11 (39:30):
State it's very. Related, YEAH i.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Agree let's take one more quick. Break we'll be right, back.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
And we're back we're back In beak And.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Jimmy kimmel's show is back last. NIGHT i, did we're
recording this before it came, back but allegedly could you?

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Imagine but it's just like actually banded canceling it.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Again we don't know if he's been. Raptured but the
uh After disney basically reversed course on its indefinite suspension
when it became clear that everyone was mad at.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Them, Yeah Tom hanks signed the letter saying we're.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Bad, yeah so there's a, big a big letter that
went around that basically SAID i think it was an
open letter by THE aclu Condemning, disney signed by hundreds
Of hollywood, stars Including Tom, hanks who literally Played Walt
disney in A disney.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Movie do you think that's what did it for? Him
like he Played Walt.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Disney, wait we just gotta let he just like put
on His Walt disney. Mustache they were, like, wait what the?
Fuck Walt disney mad at? Us?

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Wow Jamie Lee curtis also signed it. Too wasn't she
just in tears About kirk being a man of faith or?

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Something she just loves yeah?

Speaker 5 (40:54):
Anything oh, yeah, sure, great, great, Great Maggie, Jillenhall Michael,
Keaton regina Or king A Gole, lunar which is so.
FUNNY i forget who tweeted or something as like they
just want a bunch Of emmys about a show that
was fighting fascism with And or and then cave to
it in real life with The kimmel. CANCELATION i think
we can get by this.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Thing we already won the And or. Thing, Yeah sinclair
is still going to preempt the show for ITS abc,
affiliates which good news For Steve harvey, fans because last
time they were, like we're gonna put on a ode
To Charlie kirk and then it was just celebrity family. Feud,
WOW i love family.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
Feud That Steve harvey family feud is.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
Good, yeah, yeah, YEAH i wonder if that's Also Like
i'm sure there's so much corporate math happening, too where it's,
like all, right what do we stand to, Lose let's
let's game it. Out sinclair keeps preempting what's our revenue
hit versus what we might lose In Disney plus subscriptions
or lack of support for our future products or the
NEW espn app or. Whatever i'm really cure or is

(42:00):
how that what like what the what the decision making process,
was because it surely. Wasn't, guys were we're going to
be on the rock side of history.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Here, no, no, no we need to. Again we recognized
that this was a bad look for The disney corporate. Pressure,
YEAH i, mean some people are stating that the reason
that they back down is because they lost three point
eight seven billion dollars as a result of the. Suspension
this is, ACTUALLY i think an insidious little bit of
propaganda because like it still is operating in a world

(42:32):
where like the stock market is going to save us
from authoritarian as, well.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Oh being like we we put pressure on the stalk and, yeah,
right they.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Did they did a thing that was unpopular and like you,
know bout to pressure from The trump, administration and they
lost stock. Value first of, all the amount of value
that they, lost like turns out it was only like
zero point sixty seven, percent which is like completely within
the range of normal fluctuation on any given.

Speaker 6 (43:03):
DAY i imagine they're just looking at a little ticker
tape of little mickeys and they're just, like oh, no
the mickeys are going.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Down we.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Make.

Speaker 11 (43:12):
It smile and go w.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
It's like That smiley chart that's like Green smiley, Feace smiley.
Mickeys but, YEAH i mean we've seen that the stock
market is rewarding people getting in line With trump's authoritarian
administration like so like and getting punished by them is
going to be bad for your stock. Prices but anyone

(43:37):
who's still, LIKE i remember this was a thing like
during the First drump administration where like a company would
like push back and people would you, know be like
and they've gained a bunch of value or like The
nike thing or and it's just, like, NO i think
we can give up on the. Haha you, know the

(43:58):
stock market will Decide, yeah you.

Speaker 5 (44:01):
Don't ever want to go. Down you're, like who got my?
Back and then you just a bunch of corporations it's, like,
no they never.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Did they never was.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Out they're not going to yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
Yeah oh, Man well That's i'm glad at least those
people signed a piece of. Paper AND i don't know
who's going to feel more powerful the people The disney
adults who through Their disney subscription in the, trash Or
Natalie portman and My.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
RUDOLPH i hope It's.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Natalie portman and My.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Rudolph there's, like DO i also see people who, like,
Well i'm not going to watch The mandalorian And grogu.
Trailer oh? REALLY i, like, yeah that's really gonna show.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Him you're not gonna watch BECAUSE i don't want to see.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
Spoilers i'm, LIKE i WANT i want Gro goo for.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
President yeah at this, point fuck.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
It.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Man they did allegedly delay the release of that trailer
because they because it was supposed to drop last week
and then this was happening last, week so they were,
like so that's like the big change they made the
delay the release of this.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
Tree they delayed some premieres because they didn't want people
to show up in. PROTEST i, think.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
Oh, right That Lilith fair doctor wasn't like they got
rid of the red carpet and then everyone's, like fuck,
this we're not doing anything anymore with.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
This.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
Yeah, no they did. It they showed.

Speaker 6 (45:19):
It they just they were gonna have like performances and,
stuff and people pulled out actually because they were, like
we can't be.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Performing they're, like do you know What Lilith fair? Is
Even LIKE i don't, know, right you GUYS a bunch
of corporate. Stooges not not not at that, time we
weren't not. Yet not. Yet.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
YEAH i, also like a lot of the reporting keeps referring,
to like the decision to Pull kimmel's show off the
air for his comments relating to the death Of Charlie. Kirk,
no like his, comments wasn't it just it.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Was about how they were they were he said he
was talking about scoring political, points using the points and
hoping that this guy was a left wing, person, right.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Which seems definitely. True it was actually.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Hoping, yeah it was nothing directly about the like like
being like crass about the, killing more so about like comments.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Talking about them being crass about the. Killing, no it
was clearly.

Speaker 6 (46:19):
Just That trump was, like you, know he's taking them
down one by. One, yeah, Right, yeah it's that he
makes fun Of trump and this was the excuse to
to take him.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Down but the way that the mainstream media is writing
about it is they keep being like relating to his
comments relating to the death Of Charlie, kirk which seems
like a win for the forces of.

Speaker 6 (46:39):
Censorship, well that's the problem is all the media is
like completely monopolized by right wing people now and so
except for this damn.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
Show that's, right The, Resistance.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
The resistance brought to you By. Rathon, well we also
don't have a major merger on the. Horizon, no no
are trying to merge with.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
Us no matter what actually.

Speaker 6 (47:03):
Happens they they report whatever they want and then people believe.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
It so, yeah it's always like just very bad faith
summations of it because you can just, again there used
to be like some outlets will be like really really
harmless commentary From kimmel that was blown out of. Proportion
i've only maybe seen that described that way like twice
over the last week from My democrats.

Speaker 6 (47:29):
Keep taking the bait and being, like, oh you're, RIGHT
i have to put out a statement.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
AND i will also vote to memorialize this. Person and
you're like, yeah really really, well, okay so so you
guys agree on a lot of. Stuff it sounds like
like there's one party kind of like there's, one just
two kind of flavors of, it you know WHAT i,
Mean but, hey what DO i? Know and then like
just The Brendan carr, shit like the head of THE

(47:55):
fcc acting like he never said anything about like launching
this pressure campaign is so fucking.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Never threatened to pull licenses OF abc stations if the
network didn't Fire. Kimmel and then there's this. Quote let
me say it's time that a lot of these licenses
broadcasters themselves push back on comcasts And disney and, say,
listen we're going to Preempt we're not going to Run kimmel.
Anymore so you straighten us, out because we license broadcasters
are running into the possibility of fines or license revocation

(48:24):
from THE fcc if we continue to run content that
ends up being a pattern of news.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
DISTORTION i said it was about news. Distortion that's like
what he was getting all like overly pedantic about. It
it was about news.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Distortion, sure and you're.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Like, yeah but you're still talking about THE fcc revoking. Licenses,
yeah like in relation to this.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
And carr kind of doing the shaggy. Defense, yeah, old
it wasn't, me.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Especially, too when people were like there was like that
one tweet that blew up because someone was, like oh my, god,
guys this is straight out Of project twenty twenty. Five
and he replied to that tweet with The Jack nicholson.

Speaker 5 (48:59):
Yeah Gift and you're, like, wait that's what you're fucking,
saying you fucking.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Coof it's also like this thing that where they're doing.
THINGS i, mean it kind of goes along with The
kamala thing where she's LIKE i where you say things
as impersonally and like in the most passive voice, possible you,
know where she's, LIKE i.

Speaker 13 (49:21):
Would endorse The. Democrats, yeah so you Would. DEMOCRAT i
would endorse The democrat. Nominee but he, said, listen we're
going to. Preempts he's, saying it's. Time they said we're
going to. Preempt so he's like putting this in like

(49:43):
three layers of quotes to be, like because we might
be worried that THE fcc is gonna revoke our.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
Lifetime that they said mm, hmm.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Yeah, exactly we. ARE i never said. IT i said
it's time that they said that in our, voice so
LIKE i said that they should get out of puppet
that represents us and says these. THINGS i did not say.
That we said. THAT i did not say that as.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Myself, okay this is My Bruce buffer puppet going it's.
Time it's that a lot of these licensed broadcasters pushed,
them and that was like a.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
Hypothetical, man it was like A ufc. Fight, man this
obviously would never. Happen, Obviously i'm fuck, guys it's. Terrible,
yeah it's just such an again terrible fucking. Look AND
i think for people that need more evidence that these
corporations and these like sort of billion moneyed interests are
ever going to stand up for anyone's fucking, rights you
were sorely fucking. Mistaken they are just ready to do

(50:40):
whatever they need to do to, again do what they
have to to make sure that they're a shareholder value
that that is maintained.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
And augmented as much as.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Possible all, right let's talk about flying cars real quick.
Here that that is a piece of the future THAT
i think everybody had in mind at a certain. Point
they were, like this is what's going to come and
make it feel. Cool make that or jet packs all,
worthwhile the big great consumerism movement where everything just has

(51:13):
like a slightly upward tilt and things keep getting better
and better until one day we have flying. Cars by the,
way The jetsons took place in a in the, sky
but we never see what's happening down on.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Earth it's where the four people.

Speaker 6 (51:30):
ARE i didn't know where this was going The jetsons
took place in the. Sky in the, Sky i'm just,
Three that's WHAT i thought you were gonna.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Say there are fan theories that it's like An elysium,
situation where like they this is just how the wealthy
live in The jetsons. Universe and there are even some
fan theories that suggest that what's happening On earth was
the Other hannibarbara, cartoon the. Systems, yeah that The flintstones

(52:01):
is everything else has gone back to The Stone, ages
and so it's like just a parable about inequality.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Orbit city and it takes place in twenty sixty.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Two we're getting.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
There we're getting.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
There, Yeah BUT i do THINK i do think we
can maybe hold onto the idea of The. Jetsons i'll
explain that at the. End but the idea of a
democratically available flying, CAR i Think i'm going to kill
that dream for. Myself there was just a mid air
collision In china during a rehearsal for an air show

(52:39):
where too car flying cars crashed into each other due
to insufficient.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Spacing what does that?

Speaker 11 (52:45):
Mean which is the?

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Sky the whole thing, Is, yeah you're supposed to have,
sky but like people are pointing out like that you
would need air traffic controllers for any flying. Car, like
think about what happened When newark's air traffic control center
like blacked out for a, second and like there was
a couple of minutes where they didn't know where the

(53:08):
planes were and everybody like Had everyone was like. This
it was the most Distraught i've ever. Been, like that's
the level of knowledge and like control that you need
to have over anything that's in the sky to make
sure that it doesn't crash into something else that's in the.
SKY i think that might be.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
True i'm sure some of thick skuld concerned were, like,
well we don't need ground traffic control for, cars right
because people just know not to drive into each. Other
you've got to have, rules.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Right damn never, Mind i'm back on. BOARD i think
WE i think we got this thing figured. Out that's
like that they're trying to get a thing going here
that's like uber, helicopters the worst idea anyone's ever. HEARD
i think that's exactly what's going to. HAPPEN i think
this is going to be a thing that they'll call
them flying, cars but they'll just be like helicopters, essentially

(54:03):
and it'll just be for rich, people like for a handful.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
Of rich people with a death.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Wish, yeah, yeah and it kind of already is, That
like people who don't live IN la might not like
live with helicopters constantly flying, overhead but LIKE, la you,
know Like kobe was flying around in a, Helicopter like
a lot of wealthy people like fly around in, helicopters
like when they need to get. Somewhere SO i mean.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
It's, yeah, yeah it's it's.

Speaker 5 (54:31):
Again this is like What Sal paula is like In,
brazil like where people fly in helicopters because of the.
Traffic but it's also it's down class lines because it's, like,
well If i'm in a, CAR i MIGHT i might
be vulnerable to, kidnapping, right SO i just fly above
it all to my luxury, apartment to my business to.

Speaker 6 (54:48):
Wherever well they'll never see it coming when me and
my band of helicopter.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Bandits, yeah the robbery strings around the roaders deal with.
That but, again like they HAVE i, have like they
have like something some weird wild amount of like helicopter
air traffic control and sapollow because there's so many fucking
people just flying around a helicopters to be like not
dealing with the not dealing with the terrestrial, bullshit, right.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
Going to their job at The Space Space League, corporation right.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Exactly El musk has said that he's gonna invent flying.
Cars he actually did that ten years, ago saying that
he was gonna do it just for fun and the
only challenge was making them. Quiet but that that's, wrong
and what.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
A fucking this.

Speaker 5 (55:34):
Is it's so easy for these tech people to just
do the dumbest lies to be like to puff your.
Chest i'm, like, dude that's fucking light, work, bro the
flying Iron.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Man, yeah the one.

Speaker 5 (55:45):
THING i gotta do is just make them. Quieter everything
ELSE i gotta figure it. Out and then other people,
go oh wow that thank, you that's so, crazy, dog
thank you? Bro, YEAH i love. You CAN i Buy
tesla hat?

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Now, yeah, dude seventy eight.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Bucks like he tried to do just like. Tunnels he
just tried to be, like we're gonna tunnels that people
can drive, through and like he fucked that up, massively
but like got the, funding and you know, what, funding.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
You waste the.

Speaker 6 (56:09):
Money he stops us from having the train that goes
up and Down. California, that, yeah it all real, bad.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Right, yeah and This i'm assuming this will flying cars
will be available to.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
Everyone it won't just be the obscenely. Wealthy, no of,
course it.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Is clearly like they're, like you can get one for twenty.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
BUCKS i, think, Yeah, no it's just gonna be. More,
yeah they're already pursuing. It it's just gonna essentially be
a helicopter flight for the extremely. Wealthy the big problem is,
infrastructure like not in the skies but on the, ground
since companies haven't figured out how to, cite permit and
construct enough places for vehicles to land and take, off

(56:52):
and yeah you. Would it would necessitate pilot, training, which
as we saw in the latest episode of the or
latest season of the, rehearsal takes a lot of time
costly licensing aircraft manufacturers need to submit designs years in.
Advance and there are flying cars, now but they don't
look like, cars and they kind of exist in a

(57:14):
weird legal gray area with these like electric vertical takeoff
in landing vehicles OR ev, tolls and they're just designed
for very rich. People there's one company that markets the
very first certified commercial flying car ever. Delivered and it's
a picture of this like weird like three wheeled. Car you,

(57:36):
know you ever see those like three wheeled cars out.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
On the, Road, yeah like a RAPTOR i think is.
That it looks like one of.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Those and they just like parked it in the driveway
of a mansion and then they just inserted a photo
of like a seventy year old rich guy in a
tuxedo next to. It they're just, like this is this
basically sums it, up.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
Like rich people want to be in a tin can
in the.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Sky that's, right it's.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Unregulated it looks like A Chrysler. Prowler that's exactly what
it looks. Like, YEAH i don't, mean see where the
fucking wings. ARE i don't, know BECAUSE i think they
just moved the front wheels of The Chrysler prowler to the.
Back and they're, like and that's that fucking flies and
you have, it and it comes with a, tuxedo so you're.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Good you're, Good and it's just like A halloween store
level tux A t shirt with the tuxedo for on the.
Front because they are impractical and. Elitist of, Course Donald
trump is embracing. Them In, june he signed executive orders
establishing a quote pilot program FOR ev tolls that would
apply to emergency medical, services air, taxis and cargo, deliveries

(58:45):
among other.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Areas, OKAY i like medical, services, great start with, that
and then he goes taxis and you're, like that'shre the lobbyist.
Sort they're, like hey, man what about the fucking taxis?
Too BECAUSE i can get some more rich people in the.
SKY i, mean the roads already safe with people in
like on the ground in, cars you know WHAT i. Mean,
like add to that some wealthy person who already thinks

(59:08):
they're now literally above it all and above the, Law
like they're not gonna get into their FUCKING ev toll
and be completely fucked up behind the joystick or whatever
they fucking fly this thing. With, YEAH i guess at
that point they would have a. Chauffeur.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Yeah i'm playing it with my mind, Obviously, yeah with my.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Neuralink, yeah. Exactly that's why it took me To Odyssey video.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Officer there's quote somebody doesn't maintain their flying, car it
could drop a hubcap and guillotine. You and that was
From Elon musk who wants to kind of push forward
WITH us.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
Man he sure is concerned about guillotines for some.

Speaker 5 (59:43):
Reason, yeah a lot of could? Guillotine yeah Could Gallen
maxwell you who? Knows from administration announced they will allow
companies to test air taxis before they're formally certified by THE.
Faa that was just Week oh thank? God what could go?

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