Wildfires Ruin Weed / Wine, Nobody Watches Netflix? 7.26.21

In episode 958, Jack and guest host Jamie Loftus are joined by There Are No Girls On The Internet host Bridget Todd to discuss if Fox News can be sued for vaccine claims, music festivals, what Trump did with all that PAC money, wildfires, Neilsen rating, and more!

FOOTNOTES:

1. Alabama Republican Gov. Ivey says 'start blaming the unvaccinated folks' for rise in Covid cases
2. COVID-19 Will Definitely Be at Music Festivals This Year
3. Donald Trump Is Keeping the Money
4. 5 Things You Love That Will Be Screwed Over by Extreme Wildfires
5. Nielsen to Reed Hastings: 'Gauge This'
6. LISTEN: Ray's - Full Bush

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season one, Episode one
after Daily's like guys to production of Heart Radio. Wow Uh.
This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
into America's shared consciousness. And it is Monday, July. My

(00:20):
name is Jack O'Brien a k. Jack Butt is white,
and I cannot lie. Ah, you volleyballers can't deny that
when Jack digs for the ball with his little sweaty
hands and that white things in your face, you go blind.
That is courtesy of official Dickhead imagining the world, as
we did on recent episode where I am forced to

(00:41):
adhere to the beach Volleyball shorts guidelines and how bad
that would be for everyone, just everyone. That's an intense
fan fix. That's nice. Yeah, yeah, I kind of enjoyed it. Well, Hey,
who's that? Who's that voice? I'm thrilled to be joined
by today's special guest co host, a hilarious comedian, Emmy

(01:03):
nominative writer, all around brilliant artist who co hosts The
Bechdel Cast and created the podcast My Year in Mensa
Lolita Podcast and at Cast, which is in Act four.
I think Act five might be dropping pretty soon. Just
digging into the cultural history of the Kathy Comics. She

(01:23):
is Jamie laft k Live lofed Love, a k eat
pray Love. How are you, Jamie? I'm good. I'm in
a basement in Wisconsin. I have never been better. Good

(01:43):
is that you? You went out there for the Milwaukee
Bucks championship just to celebrate. Yeah, I was. I went
out into the middle of Milwaukee and begged someone to
sneeze into my mouth. I've never seen a more a
less COVID safe looking environment than so sinister. Yeah. Very

(02:04):
it was far away from that. Watching the game, the game,
which also I begin the Big Game, I didn't even
realize it was the big game. When they won, I
was like, oh, when is the next game? And then
they brought the trophy out. I was like, oh, that
was the game. Well that's very exciting and humiliated myself. Yeah,

(02:24):
the world is revolving around Wisconsin these days. Jamie Loftus
is there and the Bucks are the world champs. Well, Jamie.
We are thrilled to be joined in our third seat
by the extremely talented digital activist and podcast host of
the brilliant podcast There Are No Girls on the Internet,
which did a special mini series on disinformation in our

(02:47):
modern disinformation age called disinformed. That want to shorty and
that is especially timely right now as disinformation is killing us. Literally,
Please welcome brit I love the airhorn introduction. P. How

(03:09):
are you? I am doing well. I'm not lucky enough
to be in a basement in Wisconsin. I am in
a kitchen in Washington, d C. I am in recovery
for a broken ankle, which but other than that, I
am good. I wish it was like a good story.

(03:30):
I was on a three night canoe trip on the
Delaware Water Reserve, and that's a good story, a good story. Well,
you know what's funny is that like I was like, oh,
this is gonna be kind of a test of my
outdoor skills. And then first night I was like so
so overconfident on the river. We'll just say this. It

(03:51):
was a combination of stormy weather, over confidence, and alcohol.
I mean, like, I that's story is great, being drunk
in a storm on a like on a canoe trip.
The last time I was like, my life was like
suspended by an injury. I think it was from like
a sneeze like throughout my back. Yeah, that's what sucks

(04:16):
about getting older, it's like you get injured. It it's like,
oh I just like got up too fast or I
just like sat down weird, and now my back is
a out. I have a hip, like I always thought
like knees. It was like a bad old person thing,
but like my hip is starting to hurt. When I after,
I like go for a run and that that makes
you feel real, real fucking old man. God, I hurt

(04:40):
my I hurt my neck comforting my brother on a
roller coaster. My brother's twenty four years old, but he
was really scared. What coaster was it? Do you remember? Yeah?
It was in um it was at six Flags, New
England and it was the Wicked Cyclone. We went on
the most New England roller core it was, and it

(05:01):
was awesome. It was so good. But I forgot. My
brother is like has historically for his entire life been
terrified of roller coasters and was kind of going on
to appease me, and yeah, he was upset. Roller coasters
are so fun, they're so good. I was like, your
coaster head, I'm starting to be a coaster had I

(05:22):
was when I was a kid, And then I just
did a bunch of roller coasters recently and that they
were really fun. All right, I really missed him and
didn't realize it. Yeah, same cool. Well, Bridget, we are
going to get to know you a little bit better
in a moment. First, a couple of things we're talking about.
A legal expert has asked and answered the question, can

(05:46):
Fox News be sued for killing all these people with
their anti vax coverage? Turns out they can. So that's exciting.
So apparently Trump had to file his earnings are explained
what he did with all the money he raised during
the Stop the Steel thing in late July, So we're
gonna find out what he spent that money on. God, Yeah,

(06:09):
it's good. It's good. It's good stuff, good stuff. Yeah,
it's really fun stuff. We're gonna talk about things that
we love that will be ruined by wildfires or at
least affected negatively by them. We'll look at what we
are have to look forward to with music festival season
right around the corner and COVID not going anywhere. We

(06:32):
will check in with the Tokyo Ship Show. We will
look at streaming numbers, all of that plenty more. But first, Bridget,
we like to ask our guests, what is something from
your search history. This is a little bit of a
weird one if you kind of grew up around the
time that I did. Do you remember the show Barney
the Kids Show? Yeah, it was my favorite show right up?

(06:56):
Do you guys remember this? Like very specific kind of
humor are like anti Barney humor where people will make
up songs to the in the vein of the Barney
theme song, but it will be like I love I
love me. Let's all go and kill Barney. Let's all
go and kill Barney. I mean that just came off

(07:16):
the dome right there. But really, okay, yeah, I'm talented.
That is talent. I was like, wow, fitting absolute fire
over there. New Verse, just drop, new Verse, just drop.
I'm gonna sell out an arena in Atlanta and people
can watch me. Just kind of vibe to my Barney tracks,

(07:40):
my Barney riffs. So what are you? Are you? What's
going on with Barney? So my last my last thing
I had Google searched was the Wikipedia page for anti
Barney humor because I got to thinking I saw this
thing on TikTok. I was like, I used to we
used to sing that anti Barney song when I was
growing up and it turns out that kids all over

(08:01):
the country were and this you know, in the comments
people of this TikTok video, people were like, how did
we all know the same niche? Like anti Barney song.
Somebody in the comments speaking of like feeling old was
like obviously YouTube, Well that was like many many, many,
many many years before YouTube. Yeah, I felt very humbled

(08:23):
and old. But it really got me thinking, like those
kind of things where every middle school or no matter
where you grew up, he knows about them, Like that
rum where that Marilyn Manson removed his rib to to
give himself blow jobs, Like how did we all? How
did we all kind of like latched onto that when
there wasn't the internet? Like where did that all come from?
Are interesting because it's always like a mad lib, just

(08:46):
depending on where you were, because I heard Prince removed
his rib to suck his own dick. There's also the
one where various celebrities had to have their stomach pumped
because it was so full of semen. I've heard those
and like that one it like started as Rod Stewart
for some reason, where did you go to school? Who? University? Wait?

(09:11):
You had you not heard that one? Jamie the stomach
pump thing, I'd never heard. I'd heard there, I'd heard
about different celebrities removing their ribs to suck their own dicks.
I hadn't heard about the semen pump. This is I
think that one. Maybe like people just got too smart
to believe that one, because it's just like an ungodly
amount of semen that that would require. But it was

(09:32):
like Rod Stewart New Kids on the Block, Britney spears
Little Kim and like it's just weird. They don't have
anything in common, but the song one is really good.
I actually had that thought around Christmas with the jingle
bells Batman smells Robins. Do you guys know that one? Yeah?
Of course, yeah yeah. But like how did they spread

(09:54):
like such? What? Like were people just like calling their
cousin on the other side of the country being like, yo,
you're looking for yea to this? How is it that
like you growing up in you grew up in Wisconsin? Right?
Who did? I thought you did? Maybe not? I grew
up like all over but Ohio. I never lived in Wisconsin, Okay,

(10:16):
I said, Ohio and Wisconsin are the same in my head. Yeah, yeah,
it's like how are we all like like singing the
same niche dirty songs like me and Virginia as a
middle schooler you in Ohio, Like how where are we
getting this? Like I'm just so curious, Like how this
particular niche kind of cultural thing spread like wildfire when

(10:37):
we were kids. My theory is cousins from out of town. Yeah, yeah,
because we are around our cousins around the holidays. So
maybe that's why that one is like universal. I remember
my cousin from Baltimore, like who I thought? She was

(10:59):
like so cool and sophisticated because she was just from
somewhere that I wasn't from. And she showed me what
smash Mouth was when I when we went down to
meet her, and I was like, what is this. This
is amazing and she's like, yeah, it's more than just Shrek,
And it was really more than just Shrek. It's like

(11:21):
she was the peak of sophistication from Baltimore. Like everything
being from Baltimore is the sophistication. Because my older cousins
were from Newark, and I remember we didn't have Nintendo
in our house and my the first time that we
played Nintendo was visiting my my older cousins in Newark,
and it was the best thing I'd ever seen. I'd
never seen anything so cool in my life. Cousin pilgrimages

(11:43):
are exciting. Yeah. I was just thinking about my cousin's
bullying me when I was like nine years old, Like
something they made fun of me about when I was nine,
just like recurred in my head just this morning. So
oh wow, isn't that just on a loop? Yeah, we
get them, where are they and I'll be I'll be

(12:06):
seeing them very soon. So Tim and Mike A yeah,
but the power of the pre internet meme is is
no joke. That's a good one. What is something you
think is overrated? Something that I think is overrated is
something that I think a lot of folks can maybe
identify with, which is just general fashion. I feel like

(12:28):
with COVID, you know, all of us staying home, I
know that I have kind of leaned into, leaned away from,
like any kind of fashion trend that I'm just I
feel like we're all just dressing like the way that
we wanted to when we were fourteen, and that's cool. Um.
The other day, I was out, you know, at a
bar or something, and I was like, Wow, I'm wearing
a Duran Duran T shirt over denim overalls that I

(12:49):
have cut into shorts and like clogs, and I think
I look great. I think everybody given up on fashion advice.
We're just doing our thing, and I think it's great.
Hard agree. I haven't like, I don't know. I just
visited home and found a bunch of like old like
oversight is closed from high school. And I'm like, yeah,
I think we're just gonna We're just gonna bring them back,

(13:10):
and I have no interest in involving. I feel like
there is like a good fashion regression trend going on
that I'm very very here for. Yeah. So I've been
recording from the studio recently because of some technical issues
at my home studio, and there are people here and
I've found that I like, for the first time in

(13:33):
two years, I was like, oh, maybe I shouldn't wear
shorts every day, Like this is like uh, super producer
soph he was here. She was like, you look like
such a dead right now. I have like shorts on
a fucking Fannie peck. Did you have your phone clipped
on a holster? There's like reflective sunglasses, polarized please. Yeah,

(13:58):
I just got off book. You've reached, You've reached your
final form. It's a good thing. This is what I
was meant to be. Yeah, what is something you think
is underrated? Bridge? Something I think is underrated is trashy books,
like trashy novels, trashy thrillers. Since I've been injured, I've
had a lot of time on my hands, and so
I've been trying to get back into reading. And I

(14:20):
sort of had this weird relationship with reading where I
always felt like I should be reading more, but I
wasn't really a big reader, and I felt like I
wanted to be the kind of person that like read
like very serious nonfiction books. And I mentioned The Beach
not that long ago on vacation, and the two books
that I brought with me were The Body Keeps Score,
which is just like very good but like very heavy

(14:41):
book about trauma, and I think it was the New
Gym Crows of the book about like Yeah. And then
on this vacation, I did not crack either of these books,
and they took up a lot of space in my bag.
It's almost like, wait, people don't want to read like
heavy dense stuff on vacation. You want to read like
a beach read, something that's you know, just a page turner.

(15:02):
So recently I've been reading a lot of kind of
trashy books and they're the best. It's so much fun.
I will never I will never struggle through another like
dense nonfiction read because I feel like I have to
when I could be demolishing, you know, trashy romance novels
or Tom Clancy thrillers, things that maybe aren't you know, highbrow,

(15:25):
but they're good, right, They're very good. They're page turners. Yeah,
that's what I read. What like when I loved reading
when I was you know, twelve thirteen, I was like
a Michael Creighton like extra like that sort of thing
that I was like really into and I didn't I
didn't give a shit if like, yeah, reading doesn't need
to be good for you like reading reading. I remember reading, yeah,

(15:50):
the the what is it called the Prey in like
the bathtub over a period of months about the tiny
little computers, Yeah, the nan know, the nano butt. Yeah,
it was actually post post Creighton for me that I
didn't read that one. That was like I was more
the Spear era. Oh you think Jurassic Park is good

(16:13):
you got. Oh, what's the best Michael Crichton book? Like,
where should I start? I've ever read The Lost World.
It's been a long time. The Lost World, Well, Jurassic
Park is better than the Lost World. And Spear, I
think is probably the best of his novels. Was like
a big time climate change denier, wasn't him? Star? I

(16:36):
just wouldn't. I don't know why I wouldn't expect that
of him, but I wouldn't. I was very surprised because
he went to medical school, Like yeah, I was like, oh,
because I thought of him as Mr. Smart guy. Yeah,
but nothing, uh, nothing can trump being a rich white
guy for like twenty years than you fus you up.
It's true. I remember having an argument with a like

(16:57):
a friend of a friend about climate change and hit
me with the well the Michael Crichton school of thought
is and I was like, oh my there, like all right, wait,
what have you been reading? Bridget? Okay, So I just
finished the this is Please don't make fun of me.
The novel version of the Netflix show you Oh my God.

(17:21):
The show based on the novel, or so it was
a novel for It's actually three novels. It's called The
first one is You, the second one is Hidden Bodies.
The third one I have not read. I forget what
it's called, but so like, the show is not very good,
but I watched it all in two days, right, So,
like you tell me the novel is the same way.
I'm not going to say it's a good book. But

(17:42):
did I finish it in one day? Yes? I did?
Did Did I stay up every night reading it? Yes?
I did? What That phenomenon is always so interesting to me,
where it's like it can take you months to get
through something that you know is good, but then something
that is, like You're like, this is bad for me,
and I don't even know if I'm fully enjoying it,
but I need to consume it as quickly as possible.

(18:04):
And honestly, that's totally changed my relationship with reading, because
books that I feel like I quote should read, I
will be reading it. It'll hit me a month to
get through, and when I'm finally done with it, I'm
like citing it every day like a goddamn egg time
because I'm just so happy that I finished a book.
To make it worthwhile, yeah, I gotta bring it up

(18:25):
every party, every reference. I gotta bring it up if
my money is worth Oh yeah, of course. I will
never throw out a book that I've actually read. I'm like,
that is a trophy that someone comes over and you
need to be like, yeah, read it, definitely read. Oh
ever heard of books? I definitely read. The first book

(18:46):
I read all the way through was the novelization of
Jaws Too. Not the novel Jaws is based on the
novelization of Joe's Too. So I respect a novelization. Yeah,
that's aassic literature and I still have it on my bookshelf.
Nobody will take that away from me. I don't, but

(19:07):
I wish I did. All right, let's take a quick
break and we'll come back and talk about the news.
And we're back and Fox News. Let's talk about Fox News.

(19:29):
We've been speculating for the past Like last week there
was this turn right where suddenly Sean Hannity fucked with
a vaccine. Like some of the people on the Fox
Morning Show. We're talking about how the vaccine works, which
was new, you know, like their party line had been
like we're just asking questions here, but who's to say

(19:51):
if the vaccine works, are not like just real like
the same the same ship you hear from anti baxers.
It's just a difference of opinion. What you you guys
are gonna thought control. Ben Shapiro, Oh, thanks, I was
trying to do Tucker Carlson sore for Charlie Kirk, whoa okay,
like open to interpretation. They share a voice. So anyways,

(20:14):
we were wondering, like, did somebody threaten them with a lawsuit,
because that's like what made them change their tune when
it came to the big lie and like but whether
the voting machines had like stolen votes from Trump and
then you know that they were open to that story
until the voting machine company was like, hey, we're suing

(20:35):
you for two billion dollars and then suddenly they were
just like reading statements on air. So we were wondering
if that happened with COVID and with vaccinations. We still
don't know the answer to that, but we do know
that they can be sued. A legal expert for Slate
it was basically explaining that they're open to a lawsuit

(20:58):
if somebody dies from COVID because they didn't get vaccinated
after watching Tucker Carlson's show, they can be sued under
the common law theory of fraud. So basically you just
have to prove that the defendant made a misstatement of
fact knowing that it was false, or with reckless disregard
as to whether it was true or false. Okay, So

(21:20):
that so it's like contingent on them being too being
able to prove that Fox News knew it was bullshit
when they were saying it, yeah, or just didn't do
the work to find it out, like reckless disregard the
defendant did no investigation at all, but just put the
statement out there. Yeah, And I mean we in addition

(21:42):
to you know, being obvious that they like the information
is just everywhere and they're supposed to be a journalistic institution.
We talked last week about how they have a clear
pass that they are using behind the scenes at Fox
News that like shows that like you can you can
only work if you have had the vaccine, so they know,

(22:04):
like they're operating on a day to day basis and
in a world where the vaccine works, and then coming
on the air and uh saying things like just a
list of a couple of the things we have Tucker
Carlson saying that COVID is really about social control and
questioning whether the vaccine works. Since those who are vaccinated

(22:25):
are still urged to take precautions, maybe it doesn't work
and they're simply not telling you that. So, yeah, that
man needs to be put through a shredder, just like
the industrial shredder. Very midwest of you to go far.
It's everyone, it's weird and everyone everyone's backyard here there's

(22:45):
a gigantic shredder. So it's just saying on my mind
with a leg hanging out of it in case you sin? Yeah,
how what is the kind of COVID masking vibe where
you guys are? And California, it seems like people have
gotten the message. They've also like changed the law in
southern California or in l A County saying that you

(23:08):
have to wear a mask? Are you is? Are people
still wearing masks? And Wisconsin and d C? No, it
as demonstrated by the Bucks game the other night, no
one is wearing a mask. You can't like I have
seen people choosing to wear masks, like at the gas
station and stuff. And unlike the last time I was here,

(23:29):
people are no longer making fun of you if you
are wearing a mask In public, So I view that
as um as progress. That's pretty cool. Yeah, I get
relentlessly bullied. Jesus Christ, that's so like who cares if
if you if you're a stranger is wearing a mask,
who cares? And also, even way before COVID, people who

(23:51):
had like, um, you know, like who are you know compromised?
Were mask My dad were masks to travel way before COVID,
Like who cares? Like, what is it your business? Somebody
you got to bully them or have have an opinion
about it? What do you care if someone that you
don't know in public is wearing a mask? How does
it impact your life? It's very bizarre. Yeah, there was
like a remember a guy giving me just a minute long,

(24:14):
little little song and dance about like are you going
to rob my business? Because bandits wear masks? And I
was like, do you want me to buy a diapepsi
here or not? They're like, I don't know what your
end game is. I mean that is when there's a
One of our listeners said that their favorite wing place
now prohibits masks because of the risk of robbery, which

(24:39):
is there. There's just very It seems like things have
turned to the anti vaccing and anti masking people now
like going on the offensive, like being like you can't
you you can't stay at our Airbnb if you are vaccinated,
and like being aggressively against mask because I think Tucker

(25:00):
Carlson another thing where he was like, if you see
somebody wearing a mask around your child, you should call
the police. Sure. Yeah, it's responsibly advocating for the misuse
of public services. Totally very responsible. Great. How is DC?
DC is interesting? I will say DC like we are

(25:23):
by and large a city of people who just want
to follow the rules. We're like, fine, whatever it is
we're supposed to do. Fine. I do think with the masking,
I think people are confused, right, Like I don't. DC
is not a place where people are gonna where most people,
I should say, are gonna be anti mask or for
the sake of being anti masker. I think that when
we got that federal guidance that you didn't have to

(25:45):
wear masks indoors if you were vaccinated, I think that
that frankly, I mean, I'm no medical professional, but I
think that that probably confused a lot of people. So mean,
like when you go to Target and stores. In my
neighborhood in d C and Columbia Heights, they still have
the signs like please wear a mask. I don't think
that people are trying to pooh pooh, you know that

(26:05):
that guidance. But I just think the federal guidance be
or the federal messaging being that oh, you don't need
to wear a masks has just confused everybody. So I
would say, when I go into the grocery store in
DC now, it's probably half people wearing masks and have
people not. I don't think the people who are not
wearing masks, I don't think they're trying to be like
anti mask whatever, because that's not really a prevalent thing,

(26:26):
particularly in my area of DC. I just think people
are confused, and we've got too much conflicting guidance and
people don't know what to do. Like we we don't
really have one unifying message, even though our local guidance
still is like wear a mask inside. It's just I
think people are confused. Yeah, no, for sure, I I
think that's totally fair about it about the masking. But

(26:46):
the the vaccine stuff seems pretty it seems like now
everybody is being pretty clear about that, even Alabama Governor
k i Vy is saying, folks are supposed to have
common sense, but it's time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks,
not the regular folks. It's the unvaccinated folks that are
letting us down. You know, she's somebody who ended the

(27:09):
state's mask mandate early and it's chosen not to spend
the state emergency COVID funds on like incentive programs. So like,
this is definitely another situation where like Republicans are coming
around on something that like should not have required any
convincing but oh yeah, and to that point, this is

(27:29):
the same person who in you know, not too long ago,
was spreading unfounded fears about things like vaccine passports. Right, Like,
let's not pretend like k Ivy did not spend a
good portion of the year politicizing vaccines and you know,
downplaying the need to get them and really spreading irresponsible hysteria,

(27:50):
putting her own constituents at risk by spreading unfounded claims
about vaccines and how they were going to be administered.
And so, you know, I'm happy to see that she's
come around to the side of common sense. But instead
of blaming her unvaccinated constituents. She might want to look
in the mirror and wonder where folks are getting kind
of panic and hysteria from and what maybe did she
do that that actually caused that. And you know, Jack,

(28:13):
earlier you were talking about Fox News and you use
the word fraud. I think that more and more we
need to see people that push nonsense about our public health,
about our elections as the fraudsters and the scammers that
they are. Tuckra Carausson, he knows that vaccines are safe.
If that if the vaccine guidance from you know, Fox
News as an organization to work for is correct, he

(28:36):
probably has been vaccinated himself. I saw him doing a
whole song and dance abo how it was the most
offensive question to ask he was vaccinated. But the bottom
line is people like Tucker Carlson are making money by
pushing dangerous lies. And we have a word for that.
It's a scammer. It's a fraudster. And so this is
not a you know, a debate or two sides issue.
These people are scammers and fraudsters and they're making money

(28:59):
off of pushing people dangerous, dangerous anti science ideas to
people that can get people killed, and I really am
happy to see people using language like fraud and scam
to call out these obvious scammers and fraudsters. Yeah, yeah,
I mean this thing with k Ivy is it's I mean,
it's not the world, but it's it's way too late

(29:20):
for her to try to do, you know, like a
face turn at this point in the way she's handled
this where there's an absolutely I mean, it's ridiculous to
expect a public official to take accountability for anything, but yeah,
just to act like the reason that people are unvaccinated
in her state exists entirely in a void that has
nothing to do with her. It's just nothing ridiculous, Like

(29:43):
it's yeah, I mean, it's the Republican ideal of everything
is like personal accountability and like personal like and nothing
has to do with any sort of group based or
like public Uh, it's such a double like it's like
you have to trust Republican leadership implicitly or leadership implicitly
in general, but if you are misguided by leadership, it's

(30:06):
your fault whatever happens to Like, yeah, it seems unfair.
It's probably better that she is doing this than her
you know, staying on the same path she was on before,
but obviously not somebody who belongs in a position making
public policy. One other story, Um, so I guess Lallapaluza

(30:29):
is still a thing, first of all, like that is
still a music festival that happens on a regular basis.
A hundred thousand attendees are expected in Chicago every day
for Lallapaluza starting this week. I think, oh no, yeah,
And so people are pointing to this Dutch music festival

(30:53):
verke nipped. I can't believe. I can't imagine that's how
it's actually pronounced. But so they basically did a music
festival in the Netherlands required a vaccination card or proof
of a negative test result it I think it was
twenty people, uh total at the festival, and now they're

(31:14):
reporting over a thousand people who attended the festival have
now tested positive for COVID. And I mean I read
something like that the delta variant can like have ten
thousand times or one thousand times as much virus in
like the nasal passageway than the previous version. So it

(31:35):
just seems like it's so much more communicable. And so
I think the big thing that they're trying to. Like,
the takeaway from that is that the negative test within
forty hours is like the loophole that people are using
to get in and like still spread the disease. Basically

(31:56):
that like forty hours is not enough, like it it
should be twenty four hours, or you should just force
people to have been vaccinated. Yeah, and Lallapaluza as of
right now hasn't learned anything from that, and their window
is seventy two hours, so yeah, probably not great. The
first thing that happens when you google Lallapalooza is people

(32:19):
also ask how could Lollapalooza one happen, which is a
valid question. Yeah, you're in the Midwest right now? Are
you planning on going? I mean, yeah, of course I'm
gonna go. Must Like I was begging someone to sneeze
in my mouth at the Bucks game, I will be
doing the same at Lallapaluza. Can't even imagine, like who

(32:42):
is playing Lallapaluza, like smashed mouth? Probably right, do you
remember that? I mean, it's it's I I still feel like,
I mean, it stresses me out looking at packed sports
games still as well, Like it's just a stressful thing
to see. Well, well, it still feels like information is

(33:03):
like no, there's no you know, through line of information whatsoever.
It freaks me out in general. Yeah, I mean I
actually have a question this is we're not even really
a questions, sort of a philosophical issue I've been wrestling with,
which is that, like, you know, how in the beginning,
there was a time during COVID where if you were

(33:25):
still going out to the bar and if you were
still going out to like events, you were an asshole.
And then the messaging was well, as long as you're
fully vaccinated, you can do whatever you want. And so
I feel like we all were like whoa, parties are back,
things are back, So are we? So are we now
to the point where today if you if you go
to a concert or go out, you're an asshole the

(33:45):
same way that it was, like like where are we?
Because I just feel I feel so personally confused by
the messaging, and I also feel like we cannot count
on our our leaders to give us clear guidance, and
so there's always going to be a contention folks who
are just gonna do what they want. But if you're
someone who is trying to make responsible choices. I feel
like we're largely being left up to our own consciousnes

(34:07):
and like our own understanding of the guidance and the
and the science and the cases and all of that,
which is not a good place to be if you're
just trying to have a hawk girl summer after your
ankle heels. You know, yeah that, I mean, that's an
incredibly good question. I I feel conflicted about it all
the time because it's like, I, you know, I've I've

(34:28):
been out and doing stuff and trying to I mean
not even split the difference, but you know, just be
out and wearing a mask, and if you know, I'm
trying to stick to things that have that, I know
that they're that the people there will be vaccinated or like,
I don't know, there there are still at sports games

(34:48):
right now. They're still like vaccinated sections that you can
sit in, which doesn't I mean, which I feel like
it's almost a band aid because it's like you're going
to be sharing bathrooms with there's not vaccinated. I don't know.
I on actually have no fucking clue. I very the
it just really it really seems like there is a

(35:09):
a level of like to answer your question, like I
I am equally confused, so not to not answer your question,
I'm equally confused. I don't have an answer for how
we're supposed to judge people because we don't know if
they've been vaccinated. I do. I'm just like the fact
the fact that sporting that would have a vaccinated versus
not vaccinated section, Like why the fact that like they're

(35:33):
making do at these music festivals for people who haven't
been vaccinated, like the especially in America, where like I
feel like there's been the time to be vaccinated and
like this is the one that blows my mind. At
least one hundred US Olympic athletes are unvaccinated, Like how
is that allowed? Like that? Ah? But like what how? Yeah,

(35:56):
I don't understand how we're Like the health lead for
the U. S Olympic Committee was like, we're actually pretty
happy with that number because it's like a pretty small
percentage of of our athletes. But I just don't understand.
I feel like there is you know, we talked last
week about how to make this to kind of shift

(36:20):
the direction we're going with all the disinformation that's out there,
we need to make it the hard choice to remain
on vaccinated rather than the easy choice, which seems like
what it is now, and it just feels like we're
we're not doing that. We're still just like being like yeah, no, okay,
up to you, up to you, guys. It feels kind
of bizarre too, because I feel like now that everyone
is kind of back out vaccinated or unvaccinated largely, there

(36:46):
was once this really public push for like we need someone,
you know, we need leadership here, Like what the funk
is going on? What is like, is there some standard
to how we can keep each other safe? And now
it's like we're in a different version of the same situation,
but it doesn't even feel like there's really that same
demand for leadership and it's still not happening, but it

(37:08):
doesn't seem like people are as I don't know, it's
not as top of mind because everyone's just out and
like relieved that they can be out it. I don't know,
saying it out loud like well, this sounds like a
recipe for a disaster, which if you look at the
like way that COVID cases are going in some parts
of the United States, that's exactly where we're headed. And Jack,

(37:31):
what's so interesting about what you said about the Olympics,
about how there's still a hundred or so Olympians who
have not been vaccinated. The Olympics can police so many
aspects of what the athletes do and don't do, from
the hormones and their body, from their hair, whether or
not they were shorty shorts or bikins or whatever, and
yet when it comes to vaccination, they're like, whatever you'll

(37:53):
want to do, you know, like it just that so interesting,
the fact that you can't smoke weed but you can
be unvaccinated. It's like, what, what make it makes sense? Yeah, yeah,
it truly does not. All right, let's take a quick
break and we'll be right back. And we're back, and

(38:24):
just a real quick check in with Donald Trump. So
he and his associated packs, you know, used breathless appeals
about stopping the steel and like the urgency of preserving
American democracy while he was trying to like steal the
election and the aftermath of like he's losing the election,
but he, you know, successfully use these email please to

(38:47):
raise hundreds of millions of dollars from just like small
donations from Americans, and apparently at the end of this
month he has to like do a filing where he
shows what he spent the money on, and it turns
out he didn't spend any of it, like yeah, yeah.

(39:09):
So the Washington Post reports that Trump's Save America Leadership pack,
which raised some seventy five million dollars on the back
of like his barrage of lies, has yet to spend
any of that money in support of the recounts. And
he's just which suggests he's just going to keep it
for himself. He just has the money now. But it

(39:31):
was like explicitly he was asking people explicitly to give
him money so he could like pursue like recounts and
like do all these things. And it's just like we
we already know that was a lie. Like we we
can just like point to this information that it's a lie.
I don't know that it's gonna change literally a single mind,

(39:54):
but I don't know. It's just so fucking transparent. It's frustrating.
I mean, at this point, if you give money to Trump,
I mean, on the one hand, I feel bad for
these people because I know that he prays on his
supporters who are elderly or you know, working class who
like don't really have a ton of money. So I
feel for them in that way. But he's a scammer.

(40:14):
Like he he has a whole long history of not
paying people, running out on bills, and stealing money from
his own supporters, and so this is not surprising to me.
He's definitely he was going to keep that money for
personal enrichment, you know, And I'm not It's not surprising.
This is what he does. This is his thing. Yeah,

(40:34):
he's going to turn Barren into a transformer with it.
Baron is tall man. That's the word on the street.
Everyone's talking about the tallest son who no longer lives
in the White House. All right, let's talk about the
consequences of wildfires. You know, as fun as it is

(40:57):
to walk through Times Square and have it smell like
a camp fire because of fires that are happening in
ore Agaon and like all the smoke just blowing across
the country, there are some less cool things that are
gonna be happening because of the fact that we now
have like a global fire season. So we've got so

(41:18):
here are some of the things that are going to
be ruined. We'll start with the very basic. Going outside.
We have a little more experience in California with what
that future looks like. Like I took a trip with
my kids into like California Wilderness last year during fire season,
and like it's, you know, some days you can't go outside.

(41:41):
It's it's like going somewhere during rainy season, where like
half the days you can't go outside. You just have
to like bring puzzles and board games because it's gonna
be too smoky and like to breathe basically, and then
like on the good days, the sky will be pale gray,
but the sunsets, though really cool sunsets, makes it all

(42:04):
worth it. They're saying, even as far north as Minnesota's
Boundary Waters Canoe area, the air quality is it's considered
safe to be thirty or below and on Tuesday it
was fifty in Minneapolis and two nine further north. So
weed is going to be affected. So apparently they're seeing fire,

(42:28):
tornadoes and what's known as the Emerald Triangle, which is
like where most of the weed in California has grown.
And it's not just that like the fire and drought
might burn the crop up. The stuff actually like makes
it so you're going to the the flower is going

(42:48):
to be like very smoky and sooty like flavored, and
who knows like what that is actually doing too. Everything
like a thing that you're putting into your body is
covered with like a fine dusting of just like whatever
happens to catch on fire. Awesome. So basically everything good,

(43:10):
the outgoing outside and being high. Forget about it. Wine also, uh,
like you know a lot of that comes from the
northern California area, and you'll you'll be getting a rich
like stone fruit with hints of chocolate behind the overpowering
taste of bong water because it's gonna just it's gonna

(43:32):
taste ashy. It's gonna taste like an ashtray because the
grapes are gonna have smoke kind of infused throughout them. God,
I honestly had I mean, the big picture stuff is
so horrifying that I hadn't even thought about how that's gonna,
you know, trickle down to two crops and consumer products

(43:53):
and and and stuff like that. Yeah, Like seafood, they're
saying the clams are literally cooking and their shells and
the Pacific they're surfacing with their shells popped open like
they've been steamed. That sounds like a page from the
Lower Ax that sounds terrible. Coffee is just because of
the drought conditions hurting Brazil, their coffee is gonna be

(44:17):
more expensive this this fall. And also apparently like it
just makes COVID nineteen like worse, Like you're more likely
to die from COVID in an area with worse air quality.
Oh that makes sense. Yeah, that's I mean, there have
been a number of pieces coming out in the past
couple of weeks about, yeah, like that the class and

(44:39):
racial implications of climate change and how how it's going
to you know, disproportionately affect working class and black and
brown communities, and it's it's just I don't know. I
I wish that that angle as well, we're a more
common talking point with climate change, because I feel like
it comes up but not with the amount of Like

(44:59):
I don't think that my parents have heard of that
angle of climate change, and it seems like it's still
a pretty under discussed thing. But you know, if I
told my aunts their wine would be affected, maybe they
would care. It's just it's just awful. Yeah, I think
that's a good point, like the the who of it,

(45:21):
like rather than like the because the abstract science clearly
isn't like convincing anybody, but the who of it? Like who,
first of all, who is doing the polluting that is
changing the climate? Is like, you know, majority of it
has been done by massive corporations, by like a handful
of very rich people. And then like who is going

(45:42):
to be hurt by it? Like is yeah, majority like
poor and persons of color and nations that don't have
the ability to like make changes and adapt on the
fly are going to be hurt. Like I I really
do feel like like emphasizing the who of it is

(46:03):
probably a better strategy or underused strategy completely. And I
think another way to say that that really helps me
conceptualize it is the people who did the most to
cause the problem are being the least impacted by it,
and the people who are most directly impacted by it
did the least to cause the problem. And I think,

(46:23):
really think and and so when people will use the
word in like climate injustice, that's really how I think
of it, because it is an injustice, you know, that's
you know, like billionaire like largely white lead billionaire corporations
are the ones causing the problem and are doing the
least to solve that problem, all while trying to distract
us by over emphasizing individual choices like you know, whether

(46:47):
or not you recycle as part of the a as
as part of the problem, and obviously everybody should be
making responsible choices. I'm not saying those those things don't matter.
But it's so interesting to me how corporations will stamp
like please recite go on their bottle. But it's like,
y'all are the corporations. You'all can change us if you
want to worry, why are you Why are you bringing
me into it? Like why don't y'all look in the
mirror and do something? You know? And so it really

(47:10):
it's one of those issues that I just think is
the way the way we talk about it is perhaps misleading.
The way we think about it is perhaps misleading. And
it's a real problem because it's it's not coming. It's here,
like climate climate collapse is like I think we're in it.
I don't think it's like five years, ten years, a
hundred years. I think what we are experiencing now, the

(47:31):
kinds of intense heats and droughts and things of that nature,
I think it's here. It does kind of remind me.
I mean just of how we were talking about the
the vaccination versus unvaccination conversation early of you know, making
it an individual failure and not really you know, the
governor of Alabama just avoiding the possibility that it was

(47:54):
a systemic failure that she was like a really big
part of it. Feels like there's kind of a different
version of that going on when we're talking about climate
where you know, it's you you see that the crisis
is getting worse with each year that passes, and it's like,
I mean, I it is humbling, Like the first time
I learned that even if every single person in the

(48:17):
world was doing what they could to reduce their carbon footprint,
it wouldn't move the needle as much as if there
was some sort of regulation put on these billion dollar companies.
Like it's just and but but they don't give a
ship because they're just going to go to space or whatever. Yeah,

(48:37):
it's part of it, Like America is addicted to individualism
and and like you know, whether it's the the origin
story of a company like giving all the credit to
like one person just like gritting their way through it
instead of like the hundreds of people who like work
together and helped that person. Like that. We we love

(48:59):
just writing the the other people out of a success story,
and like the same goes for like casting the blame.
We we just want to it all to be about
individual choices and like we are all the heroes of
our own narrative and we can we can fix this
because movies told us we could. That said, though I

(49:19):
will be bummed if my Francis starts tasting like an
ash tray. That is also something to keep in mind. Alright,
let's talk about streaming. So there's this new study out
from Nielsen now that Nielsen is actually like measuring streaming
they like via people's servers, so it's not just like

(49:42):
a only if you stream stuff on your computer, which
is what it was at the beginning of the year.
They've recently unveiled a thing that actually checks through servers
like how much data is being downloaded and like matches
that up to the streaming so that they know how
much content is actually being streamed. I know it's very invasive,

(50:04):
but it's I was. I was surprised. So they kind
of released like just total amount of like how people
are consuming entertainment at home, and it's cable still broadcast,
so like it's still sixt like traditional like TV ship

(50:24):
and then all streaming like that's like that files, YouTube, Hulu, Prime,
Disney Plus, like all of those add up to I'm
very interested in the streaming. There's like something labeled eight
percent other streaming, Like is that what? Like twitch? Like
what is that? Yeah? Yeah, I'm not sure, but like

(50:48):
maybe it's just like kind of the long tail of
like all the other like Peacock and HBO Max other
ones that aren't on here. But yeah, and there also
as a chunk of other other that's people like staring
at like roadkill. Maybe it's people who read books, Jamie

(51:12):
everything about that. I just totally I told them myself.
I'm more likely to stare at road killman rate a book.
Where do you all get? Like do you do you
have cable? Do you streaming? Like what's going on in
your house? Is like the only time we have non
streaming stuff on is if it's live sports. That's that's it. Yeah,

(51:34):
we we don't have we don't have cable. We just
have streaming. I'm like, yeah, just watching roller coaster videos
on YouTube most of the time. Are those p o
V roller coaster videos where you get to experience. Then
they're roller coaster documentaries. Yeah, there's uh yeah, defunct Land.

(51:56):
If you want to watch a bunch of like forty
five minute doc memories about the history of roller coasters
that no longer exist. It's niche, but there's millions of
us watching. Yeah, you ask for what the other streaming is,
it's a roller coaster documents. What about you, bridget do
you have do you have cable? We have cable, which

(52:17):
it's so silly because we really don't need to have cable.
I guess I feel that flipping channels, just mindlessly flipping
channels is such a big part of my life and
I love it so much. It brings me so much
comfort and joy that I and I have yet to
find a streaming experience that like can mimic the feeling
of just mindly mindlessly flipping panels and then being like, Oh,

(52:40):
this random movie that I like swim fans on. I
haven't thought about that movie in years. I'm gonna watch
it right like that feeling of random discovery. If I
could find a streaming platform that could mimic that, I
will be in business. But that's what I'm wondering is
if this, like if streaming platforms will use the two

(53:01):
as like an indication that they should go harder on
that like always on model, or if they should even
like I don't know, like if Netflix had a bunch
of channels that were like, okay, here, all movies curated
by like your favorite director here like that are just
you just turn it on and there's something playing and

(53:22):
you know, you just can kind of like Pluto TV Model. Yeah,
I guess I don't have Pluto TV, but got to
get Pluto TV. They have a Degrassi channel. Oh well,
there you go. Yeah, Like what would people be more
likely to like stream if they just like didn't have

(53:43):
to make any decisions at all? Well, Netflix does have
that thing now just like watch something now where I
think they it's like I'm aggregate of the things that
you watch or that you like, and then you just
hit the button and they just pick for you. Which
I don't know how you all feel, but I when
I'm trying to start for something to watch, I can
just watch documentary trailers for hours and I'm kind of

(54:05):
stressed out about what to pick and so so I
can see it. I don't use that feature, but I
can see it being useful for folks who have just
like have decision paralysis and don't know what to watch.
I've felt some luck with that feature. But then I
also I think they're also just being like they also
pump into that feature, like movies that they have just
released that aren't doing as well as they want them

(54:27):
to do. Because I kept getting the Zack Snyder movie
that I was like, there's nothing in my viewing history
that would indicate I want this, but they're like, but
you you want this, it's fun up and you want it. Yeah,
I'm interested. I'm always so interested in like there algorithms
when they when you go on the Netflix and it's

(54:47):
like the top ten trending things versus the like the
popular I'm so curious, like how they've come to surface
these these titles. Sometimes I think there they really are
playing fast and loose, like they're just their new releases.
They are pushing the boundary of what you could consider
a new release. Every time I go on there, I'm like,
this has been out for a year, how are you

(55:08):
calling it releases? And why is coco melon always in
the top ten? What does cocoa melon? I'm not gonna
I'm not a baby, And isn't Coco melon? Jack? You
you have kids, do they don't watch Coco Melon? Right?
We There is a Coco Melon video on YouTube about
potty training that they really enjoy. Is it the same

(55:30):
company that does Johnny Johnny, Yes, Papa or am I? Oh?
I have no idea that that sounds like you're just
having a stroke. I know Johnny Johnny. My my little
nephew loves it. Really yes, I just I mean I
Netflix claims to know me, and yet it keeps trying
to get me to watch Coco Melon at all. You

(55:54):
know what you're gonna like Cocoa melon, Like I know
you just finished watching The Circle again, Like you know
what's coming on next, Zack Snyder. Cocoa Melon. Yeah, Coco
Melon is just like one of those things. Like I
feel like a lot of children's entertainment online is just
like there were a million people on computers trying to

(56:17):
make like computer animated children's entertainment at the same time
and then like just through like a natural like survival
of the fittest like darwin like YouTube Darwinism, Like a
handful of them were just like randomly like fired really
well in kids brains. And that's like how Coco Melon
came about. It's just like people were like, oh ship,

(56:39):
they really like this shape of a baby and like
this type of music combined with it, and that's the
same thing. Like there's there's other like pink Fong, which
is the baby shark. People like it's just randomly hit
on one thing and then they're just like more more
of that. Um. But it's that like it's really like

(57:01):
as a parent, you have to like I were very
careful about like YouTube, because YouTube is just sure, it's
not there's nothing being There's no like person who is
making sure that if I turn around, like my kids
not watching a fucking Ben Shapiro. Yeah, I mean, don't

(57:23):
let algorithms raise your kids, right and right. And for
a while there was that thing where I think there
was an expose in the New York Times, and then
YouTube try to take some measures to fix it. But
particularly with children's programming, where you would be watching your kid,
you would watching your kid would be watching a totally
normal video, and then a few videos later the videos
would seem like kids videos, but just would be very

(57:44):
weird and dark and demented and then where it's like
Spider Man got hit by a car or something. There
were some like really dark ones. Oh that's so sorry
to worry. Sorry, don't worry, wait Spider Man, that's oh man,
I really wanted to just open up Netflix and like
do the play random thing and see what I got.

(58:08):
But it's not. It's not given it to me right now,
it's not. But yeah, I feel like that, Like, isn't
that just a like shuffle icon, Like it's just the
shuffle icon? And then yeah, I feel like, yeah, they
they're not putting a ton into that, like sort of
always on the algorithm will choose for you type thing.
And I think I think eventually they'll probably have like

(58:32):
some Pluto TV style offering. But do you think you'd
be like more likely to like watch a channel that
was like all all of the teen dramas that are
on Netflix, just like kind of always playing one or
the other. That's a kind of question. I don't like.

(58:53):
My instinct is no. But when you say it like that,
like just oh, this is a genre the algorithm knows
I like, and they're just going to randomize stuff, I
would I would try it. Yeah, Yeah, I feel like
I would too. If they had it always on channel
for like fucked up documentary or like niche documentary, I
would I would have it on all the time. I

(59:14):
would like it would always be on in my home
if that existed. Yeah, nature, nature documentaries like for me,
like that's such great like background stuff to have on
and like it doesn't damage your children. I hate that
that's something you need to be like absolutely sure of
in a streaming platform. But it makes sense nails to

(59:35):
get bored by it so they don't just sit there
like with their mouth agapem Well, Bridget and Jamie, it's
been so fun having you guys on t DZ today. Bridget,
where can people find you and follow you? You can
find me on the I Heart Radio podcast. There are
no girls on the internet where we would be happy
to have you. We talked about all things Internet culture, technology,

(59:59):
underrepresented voices, feminism, all that fun stuff. You can follow
me on Instagram at Bridget Marie in d C or
on Twitter at Bridget Marie. Yeah. Yeah. And is there
a tweet or some of the work of social media
you've been enjoying? So I have a tweet from Morning
Gloria Aaron Ryan. She says, I'm such a carry me
every time I get revenge using my telekinesis. That's awesome, Jamie.

(01:00:26):
Where can people find you? Follow you? And what's tweet
you've been enjoying? You can find me on Twitter at
Jamie loft as help Instagram, Jamie christ Superstar. Listen to
ac cast. It's we're halfway done with the series right now,
and it's all about the Kathy comics, and this coming

(01:00:47):
week we're gonna be talking about how she's very reflective
of all of the frustrating qualities of boomers. And I
interviewed my mom for a long time the whole thing.
So listen to that. And then the tweet I've and
enjoying is from meg Zie at by Meg and it's
can't talk right now. I'm doing hot girl shit asterisk

(01:01:08):
eating salt and vinegar chips to the point of causing
dozens of cuts along the roof of my mouth, and go,
maybe I have to tell you. When I was preparing
for this interview, my initial underrated was gonna be Kathy
because I feel like, listening to act Cast, I feel
like I feel like Kathy got a real bad rap.
But Kathy fucking slaps and I feel like we all

(01:01:30):
we I'm happy that you're unearthing how awesome Kathy actually
is and her cultural impact because I feel like we
kind of let that one slide. We didn't really we
didn't really celebrate Kathy for the icon that she is.
So I almost was going to use that, but then
I was like, oh, that might be I don't know,
you were gonna be the guest host, so like that
might be like putting around the spot. Thank you. I'm

(01:01:53):
so I'm so excited Kathy has been um. She was
very nervous to listen to the show, but so far,
so good. The creator of Kathy, oh yeah, not like
I was like, Wow, Jamie's really and people are gonna
be like, James really in the creation of this show.
She's like, yeah, Kathy the is in deep. She's finally

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she's finally left her body. No, yeah, Kathy's a real
person who lives in l A. You know, she's local.
M alright tweet. I've been enjoying Luke Moans tweet. If
you go forty five minutes outside of any city, Everyone's like,
let's all pretend us this out And Sarah Hog tweeted,

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I want to drink from the hair salon French press
and showed you know those barb side things they are
why are they French presses? But yeah, that makes it
look extra delicious. I've always wanted to drink from that thing.
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a band that a friend of yours is in that
has both a very great band name and is also
going on tourist Japanese breakfast. Yes, they're awesome. They're called
Full Bush. You could use the song raise. I think
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