May 7, 2025 • 25 mins
In this edition of Your Trends & Neighbors, Jack and special guest co-host Andrew Ti discuss the future of the Catholic church, Dora The Explorer teaching adults internet words like "Sigma", Burger King getting sued for their misleading Whopper ads, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of your
Trends and Neighbors. Because that's a show that's happy. It
is a show.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
My name is Jack.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
That over there is Andrew.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Do what what's it going?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I'm not as much watching Trends or Friends and Neighbors
as much as I'm just non stop watching Sinners every
second of Yeah, you're coming up on your fourth viewing,
it's going to be it's a it's a wee bit
too much, but it is.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's very good. Every time I'm enjoying, it.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Gets better and better. I think it gets about the same.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
But I've not hit diminishing returns for me personally yet.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Are you going with different people like spread like Johnny
Appleseed style?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Oh, yes, I've gone. I've gone. Yeah, different people every time.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Saw once in the Imax, seventy millimeters at City Walk
and then once at you know, no specific shade to
the projectionist at album draft House, but a not as
good looking print at Alamo. But the thing to be
said about Alamo draft House and the movie Sinners more
movie Sinners. It's a kind of a good movie to
see when everyone's like a wee bit drunk in the theater. Yeah,
(01:15):
it's a it's a good rowdy movie. So I've heard
it's rowdy and fun like that.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
People being like I hear this is like cinema and
like sit down and like like get ready for uh,
but that's the thing a hard time at the movies.
They're like, oh, this is fun as hell.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah, I think it's attracting the cinema folks, but it's
it is actually just like a really fun.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I don't want to spoil the thing that is not
really in the trailer, but it's not really a huge spoiler,
but I will just say it's a yeah, it's a
it's like a rowdy experience. I'll do those spoiler very
very mild spoiler alert is that the the music is like.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
A huge great part of it.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, okay, nice, that's that's a good the best kind
of spoiler.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I don't want to over I don't want to say
anymore to when I first thought, I.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, it's fuck crazy okay cool. And then Friends and
Neighbors is a show that I'm aware of. It's John Ham.
It's looks like some manner of suburban on Wei. Yeah,
and I've heard it's giving Draper, it's it's taking John
Hamm back right to his comfort zone. Yeah, in a
(02:34):
way that people seem to be enjoying.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
What I will say, is it the show. I've only
seen a couple episodes. I went to a screening thing,
so that was a little like colored the take on it.
But I think I think my take on this show
is that if you really wanted mad Men's season fucking
like forty five, just imagine.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Like, what would Don Draper be doing in the MONERYR two. Yeah,
that guy up to.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
It's it's pretty it's pretty much that. Again, you know,
depending on it's exactly that if you if you like that,
if that sounds appealing, you will like it, and if
it doesn't sound appealing, you won't like it.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Nice that sounds appealing to me. The other thing that
I've heard from people is like, again, it's kind of
like the Center, like don't go in expected expecting actually
more more than the Sinners thing. People have been like,
this is very disposable. It's not a thing you're gonna
be like. It's not mad Men in the sense that
it's going to be like repeat viewing Prestige TV. It's
(03:31):
just like kind of a good time.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I maybe just have a different take on mad Men.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So you think you think mad Men is more disposable, Yeah,
then I think we all found I just I'm very
very very much pitching this. I would say as if
you liked, if you wanted forty more seasons of mad Men.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
You will really like this. Nice Yeah, and that just
is what it is.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
John Hamm is dishonest? Is that is that what I'm
to understand.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
It's honest, a wee bit tired to spite all his riches,
just spiritually exhausted. And I will say it is it
is also as someone who is a steered off a
little bit but had it was definitely I know more
about watches than I should. There's it's a real it's
(04:19):
not it's a watch guy show. But also yeah, again
the sort of like, yeah, it really tells you what
kind of watch guy you are, because it's it's just
like tacky rich guy watches in a way that I'm like, Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
It's like the premise is he's just like a rich
guy in a rich suburban neighborhood and then starts like
robbing his neighbors. Yeah, essentially, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, I think there's it does seem like there's more
to it. But that's fun.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I like, that's that's plenty intriguing for me. I'm in.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yeah, a little bit of larceny, a little lot of drinking,
a lot of staring off into the middle drinking.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Pretty pretty solid.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Chin.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah's a TV show. Yeah, what is your like? Number
one show? You're Andrew. For listeners who are new to
the show, Andrew is an accomplished TV writer.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Accomplished is strong but thank you. The number one show
I have going on right now now that I'm saying this,
I think I've said this on Daily's like Cheist, But
I still am. I loved and I'm a little upset
that this is so far my show of the year
is Common side Effects. Not that it's not that it
shouldn't be, but it you know, I was a little surprised,
(05:35):
and I was resistant to watching it in the first place.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah, it's a cartoon and those are your children exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, but it's also like the specific kind of like
because Common Side Effects is about this like kind of
like hippie white guy who finds like a mushroom in
the Peru.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I believe that, like.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
It's it's a little bit like like the kind of
psychedelic enthusiastic white guy who I personally don't don't that
much time is the protagonist. So that was made me
a bit resistant. But the show was wonderful. The show
is super good.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
It almost feels like it's thought up by that, like,
you know, it sounds like it's not. The execution is
much better than of one of those guys.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Person agains correct. Yeah, and it's and also that's a.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Me problem that I am just annoyed by that type
of dude. But I you know, I've just done too
many psychedelics in my life and I'm at I'm a
bit weary of some of those guys. Weary and weary.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, but the show is really good and.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Those are fine. Yes, all right, let's get down to
brass tacks here, because there's important things happening right now.
The future of the Catholic Church is at stake. We
have an update, uh you know here where we're recording this.
We have just learned black smoke has come forth from booth.
(07:01):
We have no pope. No, it's a it's an official
no pope on the docket for today, so I will
be adjusting my spreadsheet thus sleep. But yeah, so this
is we are officially in conclave season where they're meeting
trying to pick a pope and then letting us know
via smoke signal. How that's all for them? It's clave
(07:25):
and time, clath and time.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Can I just say the did you did you guys
note already that the pope died and within like twenty
four hours Conclave moved to Amazon Prime.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I didn't we didn't know that. We did notice, we
did note that it was like skyrocketing up the streaming.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm just saying it's, of course, the evidence
is circumstantial, but you know that does mean Beats killed
pope profited massively from the death of the pope, And.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
It's whatever you want, whatever conclusion you want to drop.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, and we do know Bezos is tied to this way.
Some Jdvan's was one of the last people to see
the pope alive. I'm just saying, it's it's a theory.
We're not Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, you can't say that's impossible to say when it
would be irresponsible for us to discount this wonderful theory.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
It's just called journalism. Folks do your own research. But
one of the fun details that has come out is
that heading into the conclave, the cardinals the people, you know,
the voting body, and like one of them will become
the Pope. So it's like, you know, kind of fun
(08:37):
that that's intuingly weird. It's like, I don't know, you
guys for me, Oh no, god, guy crazy you guys.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
All guys, we're all guys here right right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Guys, And I do mean guys. The they a lot
of them, you know, have not this is gonna be
their first conclave, didn't know what to expect, and so
they're watching the move the Conclave awesome, which is it's
I don't know, it's funny to me to imagine you know,
the future pope being like, what should I expect from this?
(09:11):
How do I play this? I know, I'll watch the
movie Conclave.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, I mean, it's also just kind of nice because
like it's like, I mean, in you can't really call
it a civic duty, but that's probably the closest equivalent.
But Conclave is like their version of like like school
House Rock about how you cast a vote?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Right, just how else you gonna even look like, yeah,
I don't know. It's there's just an anecdote on the
movie podcast blank Check that when Pope John Paul the
Second my pope when I was grown up, you know,
just an old sleepy mummy when he came to the
US in the eighties, he had his people reach out
(09:57):
to Michael Keaton's people and was like, a, you want
to like meet up Doug because the Pope loves Johnny dangerously.
The Michael Keaton movie that's like an Airplane style spoof
of I guess like old war movies. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I yes, I think that's probably maybe I don't know,
but uh.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
And Michael Keaton was like, I mean, can my mom
Like I don't really, I'm not Catholic, but like my
mom is, and so he just like met with the
Pope with and like brought his mom. But like the
Pope was just like, oh my god, it's Michael Keaton.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
It's so funny that they're willing to I mean, because
like these people's powers rest on the like premise that
they're magic, and I am I am a little surprised
every time I guess that there's the B side is
like part of that magic is like being human or whatever.
But like I it is weird to me that like
(10:58):
like an organization like the Catholic Church allow the veneer
to crumble in this type of regard, like, oh, the
Pope wants to made showny dangerously.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
The Pope is meant to be magic, you know else
who else has a little bit of magic? Nineteen eighties
Michael Keaton. Yeah, just like.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
It's just weird to me that every time they act human.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
But I guess that that I'm just not a believer,
so I'm sure that's appealing to believers in its own way.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
He's just the popes. They're just like us. My favorite
magazine him Weekly, but the and the hymn is capitalized.
And then like when the Pope took it, like this
also stuck out to me when the Pope, woke Pope
made his trip woke for a pope, woke Pope made
(11:47):
his trip to America, and like came to Philadelphia was
still so Catholic Philadelphia, Like churches there just jam packed
every Sunday. But Mark Wahlberg was the MC for the
for the event because and like he's not even associated
(12:09):
with Philadelphia. He's just like, you know, a Boston guy,
but he's I mean, I guess he's just like the
most the most Catholic Catholic celebrity that would be acceptable, right, yeah,
can you? Yeah? I mean he well, Mel Gibson also
probably wouldn't do it because he's he jumped off the
papal train. Yeah, he jumped off when they started doing
(12:34):
doing Mass in English. He was like, I only accept
a version of Catholicism where the Pope does the entire
Mass in Latin with his back to us, because we're
not supposed to even be able to see what he
looks like. But anyway, I just like to imagine the
cardinals like cramming for the conclave by watching Enclave, like
a kid watching to kill a mockingbird the day before
(12:58):
he has to man in a court of.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Cramming, cramming for the conclave, Like oh fuck, okay, okay, okay,
be cool, be cool.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I can just watch. I can just watch Conclave.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I didn't read the thing because I assume they have
like a dossier.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
You'd think of words. But I feel like there's also
some like just let the Holy Spirit guide you, my
brother type. Yeah you know that they wouldn't. There's not
going to be like a you know, step by step. Yeah,
you know what.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Actually, that's I'm so naive for even saying that, because
like they just need votes and the people in power,
like the general elections are incentivized. The more ignorant the
electorate is, the better off. Yeah, that's are so they
don't want you don't know what to do.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
By the way, there is a a bad guy emerging,
an antagonist emerging from this conclave, at least for me,
bad for a cardinal, that is, for a cardinal, bad
for a pope. Maybe there's this conservative German cardinal who,
in response to this news story was like, don't take
(14:08):
any of that seriously. It's not like the conclave is
not a power game played by stupid people looking to
manipulate each other. This guy Muller, German Cardinal Gerrard Mueller
is opposed to the previous pope's mercy before dogma approach.
(14:28):
So he's a dogma before mercy guy, which is wild.
Like to just be my official position is I like
the rules more than I like like being nice to people.
He opposed Francis's decision to bless same sex couples to
allow communion to Divoor says, who remarry outside the church,
(14:52):
and also opposed Francis's concerns about migrants and the environment.
Cool fun environment.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
The odds are not great, right that he doesn't get elected.
We're in a uh, we're in a time, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Like like highly conservative.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Germans never been more powerful.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Right as a political philosopher.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
They're flying right now. They're doing not never, but it's
been a minute. It's been a while since they were
this popular. Yeah, he said. He hoped the other cardinals
would ignore Francis's mass media appeal and avoid the intrigue
depicted in the Oscar winning film Conclave, which is funny
because it seems like he's making a mass media appeal. Yeah,
(15:41):
and he's like grumpy because he doesn't. He's like, and
don't watch the movie where the conservative guy doesn't win
in the end.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
That's so funny.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
There's also a favorite details. Have you seen Conclave? Yeah?
Conservative for a pope is that One of the great
details of Conclave is that the shitty conservative cardinal who
wants to be pope is vaping the whole time.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yes, I have heard about So.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Makes me wonder, what's the black smoke? Is it just v.
Do you think you've got to imagine.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
The white smoke is just like the biggest.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
They It's not that they haven't decided to do the
pope is, but someone's got to get that pal really, really,
you know, this pulling cotton.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
That's right, all right, let's take a quick.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Break and we'll come back and talk about Dora the Explorer.
And we're back, and Dora the Boy, who I get
most of my information about gen Z from, is teaching
(16:52):
adults about Sigma, which, you know, for people who aren't
aren't familiar, Sigma is like you know, the manosphere was like, yeah,
alpha's cool, but you know what's really cool Sigma a billions. Yeah, yeah,
(17:12):
it's it's like the higher level galaxy brain version of
an alpha male. Where. Yeah, but anyways, Dora took to
TikTok to. I bet I guess she's been teaching kids
parents phrases like it's giving and sleigh. So so that's
(17:33):
what it seems like. This is based on the idea
that like this is for people who grew up on
Dora and now have their own children.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
That's a great question. I don't, I can't.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I guess maybe are people who grew up on Dora
having kids now, I feel like they're not quite there,
is my guess. I'm just yeah, to me, my assumption
was like, first of all, I'll you know, as someone
who worked in social media for quite a long time
for the Umbrella Corporation that produces Dora the Explorer, I
(18:11):
just kind of feel like this is the type of
thing that was sort of pitched and it sounded great
to the like middle aged decision makers in this type
of situation. That doesn't that that they didn't really think
through the pitch. Although producer Brian is saying, and producer Victor,
(18:32):
I don't know who's what everyone's job is. I'm I'm
speaking to familiarly.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Brian is Brian the editor.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Super producer Victor.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yes, they're they're they are confirming that this is for
people who grew up with Dora, but grew up with
Dora but also have kids now.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Could make sense. Yeah, Dora came out in two thousand,
so this is.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
This is just sort of like I mean, this is
just like a version of like Urban Dictionary for people
who don't have time on their hands.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
It feels like, yeah, it sucks, It's it's just like
the only issue here is that it is describing what
Sigma is in a completely value like value free way,
where it's just like, Sigma are like confident and cool
and well, not not explaining the like manosphere, not.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Even value free.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
I think it's it's fully taking on the pitch from
from from Yeah, this is toxic.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
We're just talking.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
About being confident and doing your own thing.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Sigmas are cool, and then it like shows Nickelodeon characters
being Sigma.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, I mean if nothing else, like calling the word
Sigma cool is a value judgment that firmly places them
on the side, right, Like, if you think Sigma is cool,
then you are in company with Nazis right.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah, it's big leap, but that is true. Unfortunately, Dora,
You're enough your kids, Dora. But yeah, I don't know,
it's just somebody. Yeah, it's it feels like it's just
a thing where they're like, this is internet speak and
we just yeah, we are translating internet speak and uh,
(20:18):
you know, not taking aside as as mainstream medias want
to do. You know, we're not right, not left. We're
just teaching adults why their kids are calling things Sigma.
Probably the executive you're describing's kid kept calling something like what,
here's one for you?
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, I mean I think that's what it is. Is
Like I think that, like, again, it's been a minute
since I've worked in for these folks, but my memory
and my assumption and I'm confidence saying this is that
like a lot of the decision makers in this situation
don't really different, like they still sort of just see
internet talk as an undifferentiated thing as opposed to like,
(21:03):
what part of the internet, what.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Does this mean?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Like it's just like like the phrase like oh this
is from the internet still has like a lot of
like internal power in traditional media, even though that it's
just like much more nuanced than that, Right, So yeah,
I think that's that to me is the things like
how this could this could happen non maliciously with just
(21:28):
like a hearty dose of of old media bubble combined
with age induced ignorance.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, we'll see or maybe just or not. Yeah, maybe
maybe this is just the direction they're going. I mean,
like that it does make it sort of like the
way that capitalism is just like we meet our audience
where they are, and every mainstream media article about men
under the age of like thirty is like they are
(21:57):
all right Nazis and the judgment free zone. Yeah, and
in fact we think they're great because we want their business.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
They're cool.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah. Finally, let's talk about a judge has allowed a
lawsuit to go forward over Burger Kings Whopper ads. Basically,
it's another one of these ads where it's like the
Truth in Advertising where they were like these ads looked
great and these sandwiches look like shit?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah, I is it? Okay?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
How is media literacy so low that this is even possible?
Like what do you think an ad? Food in an
ad looks like?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yeah, definitely, Yeah, it's I have had experiences where it's like, wow,
that actually like looks like the ad, and I knew
to be like that is crazy how much that looks
like the ad? You know that, I've never been surprised
that something that I got at a fast food restaurant
(23:08):
looks like shit compared to the picture. Yeah, maybe that's
my low expectations.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
If you know, it tastes great no matter what, guys,
don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
This episode is brought to you by the White Bird speaking.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
No just the concept of fast food. We're just like whatever,
like we have stock and just like the worst bleached
flat white flower or something.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I don't even know what it is.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I mean, I am curious because, like the rest of
the trends of the justice system are bending towards corporations
can lie as much as they want. Yeah, so I
am curious that it is a little bit. I guess
good that any truth in advertising is moving forward. Yeah,
(23:55):
I suspect this will there will be some way that
this is killed or probably more like there will be
sort of a false somewhat moral victory one on this behalf,
and then the industry will continue to do what it's doing. Yeah,
but this is how they can tell you that we're
fighting for that's right. This is just a little bit
of propaganda to be like corporations don't own us. There,
(24:19):
you guys are okay, you have free will, you're this
is this is okay, and it's gonna get better. Plus
we're looking into we don't even think that guy is
a fucking actual king. I don't think he has any
power at all. No, this is how this is how, Yeah,
this is how we underline that America, America the proud
(24:40):
and that we're we will depose the final King of America.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
That's right. We won't have that monarchy here in the
free monarchy that we're moving towards.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
And what a pleasure having you on Daily Zeit gees?
Where can people uh find you? Follow you here? You
all good stuff?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I don't know, Andrew T Yo? Is this racist? Are
less depressing?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Premium show is called yok when We Live that's available
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Speaker 1 (25:09):
But whatever less depressing you say, should we try something
like that? That's crazy? All right? That is going to
do it for us this afternoon. We're back tomorrow with
a whole ass episode of the show. Until then, be
kind to each other, be kind to yourselves, get your
vaccines while you still can get your flu shots. Don't
(25:29):
do nothing about white supremacy, and we will talk to
you all tomorrow by peace.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
The Daily Zeit Guys is executive produced by Catherine Law,
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Speaker 1 (25:41):
Co produced by Victor Wright, co written by J. M McNabb,
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by Brian Jefferies
Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of your
Trends and Neighbors. Because that's a show that's happy. It
is a show.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
My name is Jack.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
That over there is Andrew.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Do what what's it going?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I'm not as much watching Trends or Friends and Neighbors
as much as I'm just non stop watching Sinners every
second of Yeah, you're coming up on your fourth viewing,
it's going to be it's a it's a wee bit
too much, but it is.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's very good. Every time I'm enjoying, it.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Gets better and better. I think it gets about the same.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
But I've not hit diminishing returns for me personally yet.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Are you going with different people like spread like Johnny
Appleseed style?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Oh, yes, I've gone. I've gone. Yeah, different people every time.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Saw once in the Imax, seventy millimeters at City Walk
and then once at you know, no specific shade to
the projectionist at album draft House, but a not as
good looking print at Alamo. But the thing to be
said about Alamo draft House and the movie Sinners more
movie Sinners. It's a kind of a good movie to
see when everyone's like a wee bit drunk in the theater. Yeah,
(01:15):
it's a it's a good rowdy movie. So I've heard
it's rowdy and fun like that.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
People being like I hear this is like cinema and
like sit down and like like get ready for uh,
but that's the thing a hard time at the movies.
They're like, oh, this is fun as hell.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah, I think it's attracting the cinema folks, but it's
it is actually just like a really fun.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I don't want to spoil the thing that is not
really in the trailer, but it's not really a huge spoiler,
but I will just say it's a yeah, it's a
it's like a rowdy experience. I'll do those spoiler very
very mild spoiler alert is that the the music is like.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
A huge great part of it.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, okay, nice, that's that's a good the best kind
of spoiler.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I don't want to over I don't want to say
anymore to when I first thought, I.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, it's fuck crazy okay cool. And then Friends and
Neighbors is a show that I'm aware of. It's John Ham.
It's looks like some manner of suburban on Wei. Yeah,
and I've heard it's giving Draper, it's it's taking John
Hamm back right to his comfort zone. Yeah, in a
(02:34):
way that people seem to be enjoying.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
What I will say, is it the show. I've only
seen a couple episodes. I went to a screening thing,
so that was a little like colored the take on it.
But I think I think my take on this show
is that if you really wanted mad Men's season fucking
like forty five, just imagine.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Like, what would Don Draper be doing in the MONERYR two. Yeah,
that guy up to.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
It's it's pretty it's pretty much that. Again, you know,
depending on it's exactly that if you if you like that,
if that sounds appealing, you will like it, and if
it doesn't sound appealing, you won't like it.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Nice that sounds appealing to me. The other thing that
I've heard from people is like, again, it's kind of
like the Center, like don't go in expected expecting actually
more more than the Sinners thing. People have been like,
this is very disposable. It's not a thing you're gonna
be like. It's not mad Men in the sense that
it's going to be like repeat viewing Prestige TV. It's
(03:31):
just like kind of a good time.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I maybe just have a different take on mad Men.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So you think you think mad Men is more disposable, Yeah,
then I think we all found I just I'm very
very very much pitching this. I would say as if
you liked, if you wanted forty more seasons of mad Men.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
You will really like this. Nice Yeah, and that just
is what it is.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
John Hamm is dishonest? Is that is that what I'm
to understand.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
It's honest, a wee bit tired to spite all his riches,
just spiritually exhausted. And I will say it is it
is also as someone who is a steered off a
little bit but had it was definitely I know more
about watches than I should. There's it's a real it's
(04:19):
not it's a watch guy show. But also yeah, again
the sort of like, yeah, it really tells you what
kind of watch guy you are, because it's it's just
like tacky rich guy watches in a way that I'm like, Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
It's like the premise is he's just like a rich
guy in a rich suburban neighborhood and then starts like
robbing his neighbors. Yeah, essentially, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, I think there's it does seem like there's more
to it. But that's fun.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I like, that's that's plenty intriguing for me. I'm in.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yeah, a little bit of larceny, a little lot of drinking,
a lot of staring off into the middle drinking.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Pretty pretty solid.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Chin.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah's a TV show. Yeah, what is your like? Number
one show? You're Andrew. For listeners who are new to
the show, Andrew is an accomplished TV writer.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Accomplished is strong but thank you. The number one show
I have going on right now now that I'm saying this,
I think I've said this on Daily's like Cheist, But
I still am. I loved and I'm a little upset
that this is so far my show of the year
is Common side Effects. Not that it's not that it
shouldn't be, but it you know, I was a little surprised,
(05:35):
and I was resistant to watching it in the first place.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah, it's a cartoon and those are your children exactly.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, but it's also like the specific kind of like
because Common Side Effects is about this like kind of
like hippie white guy who finds like a mushroom in
the Peru.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I believe that, like.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
It's it's a little bit like like the kind of
psychedelic enthusiastic white guy who I personally don't don't that
much time is the protagonist. So that was made me
a bit resistant. But the show was wonderful. The show
is super good.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
It almost feels like it's thought up by that, like,
you know, it sounds like it's not. The execution is
much better than of one of those guys.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Person agains correct. Yeah, and it's and also that's a.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Me problem that I am just annoyed by that type
of dude. But I you know, I've just done too
many psychedelics in my life and I'm at I'm a
bit weary of some of those guys. Weary and weary.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, but the show is really good and.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Those are fine. Yes, all right, let's get down to
brass tacks here, because there's important things happening right now.
The future of the Catholic Church is at stake. We
have an update, uh you know here where we're recording this.
We have just learned black smoke has come forth from booth.
(07:01):
We have no pope. No, it's a it's an official
no pope on the docket for today, so I will
be adjusting my spreadsheet thus sleep. But yeah, so this
is we are officially in conclave season where they're meeting
trying to pick a pope and then letting us know
via smoke signal. How that's all for them? It's clave
(07:25):
and time, clath and time.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Can I just say the did you did you guys
note already that the pope died and within like twenty
four hours Conclave moved to Amazon Prime.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I didn't we didn't know that. We did notice, we
did note that it was like skyrocketing up the streaming.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm just saying it's, of course, the evidence
is circumstantial, but you know that does mean Beats killed
pope profited massively from the death of the pope, And.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
It's whatever you want, whatever conclusion you want to drop.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, and we do know Bezos is tied to this way.
Some Jdvan's was one of the last people to see
the pope alive. I'm just saying, it's it's a theory.
We're not Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, you can't say that's impossible to say when it
would be irresponsible for us to discount this wonderful theory.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
It's just called journalism. Folks do your own research. But
one of the fun details that has come out is
that heading into the conclave, the cardinals the people, you know,
the voting body, and like one of them will become
the Pope. So it's like, you know, kind of fun
(08:37):
that that's intuingly weird. It's like, I don't know, you
guys for me, Oh no, god, guy crazy you guys.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
All guys, we're all guys here right right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Guys, And I do mean guys. The they a lot
of them, you know, have not this is gonna be
their first conclave, didn't know what to expect, and so
they're watching the move the Conclave awesome, which is it's
I don't know, it's funny to me to imagine you know,
the future pope being like, what should I expect from this?
(09:11):
How do I play this? I know, I'll watch the
movie Conclave.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, I mean, it's also just kind of nice because
like it's like, I mean, in you can't really call
it a civic duty, but that's probably the closest equivalent.
But Conclave is like their version of like like school
House Rock about how you cast a vote?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Right, just how else you gonna even look like, yeah,
I don't know. It's there's just an anecdote on the
movie podcast blank Check that when Pope John Paul the
Second my pope when I was grown up, you know,
just an old sleepy mummy when he came to the
US in the eighties, he had his people reach out
(09:57):
to Michael Keaton's people and was like, a, you want
to like meet up Doug because the Pope loves Johnny dangerously.
The Michael Keaton movie that's like an Airplane style spoof
of I guess like old war movies. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I yes, I think that's probably maybe I don't know,
but uh.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
And Michael Keaton was like, I mean, can my mom
Like I don't really, I'm not Catholic, but like my
mom is, and so he just like met with the
Pope with and like brought his mom. But like the
Pope was just like, oh my god, it's Michael Keaton.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
It's so funny that they're willing to I mean, because
like these people's powers rest on the like premise that
they're magic, and I am I am a little surprised
every time I guess that there's the B side is
like part of that magic is like being human or whatever.
But like I it is weird to me that like
(10:58):
like an organization like the Catholic Church allow the veneer
to crumble in this type of regard, like, oh, the
Pope wants to made showny dangerously.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
The Pope is meant to be magic, you know else
who else has a little bit of magic? Nineteen eighties
Michael Keaton. Yeah, just like.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
It's just weird to me that every time they act human.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
But I guess that that I'm just not a believer,
so I'm sure that's appealing to believers in its own way.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
He's just the popes. They're just like us. My favorite
magazine him Weekly, but the and the hymn is capitalized.
And then like when the Pope took it, like this
also stuck out to me when the Pope, woke Pope
made his trip woke for a pope, woke Pope made
(11:47):
his trip to America, and like came to Philadelphia was
still so Catholic Philadelphia, Like churches there just jam packed
every Sunday. But Mark Wahlberg was the MC for the
for the event because and like he's not even associated
(12:09):
with Philadelphia. He's just like, you know, a Boston guy,
but he's I mean, I guess he's just like the
most the most Catholic Catholic celebrity that would be acceptable, right, yeah,
can you? Yeah? I mean he well, Mel Gibson also
probably wouldn't do it because he's he jumped off the
papal train. Yeah, he jumped off when they started doing
(12:34):
doing Mass in English. He was like, I only accept
a version of Catholicism where the Pope does the entire
Mass in Latin with his back to us, because we're
not supposed to even be able to see what he
looks like. But anyway, I just like to imagine the
cardinals like cramming for the conclave by watching Enclave, like
a kid watching to kill a mockingbird the day before
(12:58):
he has to man in a court of.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Cramming, cramming for the conclave, Like oh fuck, okay, okay, okay,
be cool, be cool.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I can just watch. I can just watch Conclave.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I didn't read the thing because I assume they have
like a dossier.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
You'd think of words. But I feel like there's also
some like just let the Holy Spirit guide you, my
brother type. Yeah you know that they wouldn't. There's not
going to be like a you know, step by step. Yeah,
you know what.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Actually, that's I'm so naive for even saying that, because
like they just need votes and the people in power,
like the general elections are incentivized. The more ignorant the
electorate is, the better off. Yeah, that's are so they
don't want you don't know what to do.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
By the way, there is a a bad guy emerging,
an antagonist emerging from this conclave, at least for me,
bad for a cardinal, that is, for a cardinal, bad
for a pope. Maybe there's this conservative German cardinal who,
in response to this news story was like, don't take
(14:08):
any of that seriously. It's not like the conclave is
not a power game played by stupid people looking to
manipulate each other. This guy Muller, German Cardinal Gerrard Mueller
is opposed to the previous pope's mercy before dogma approach.
(14:28):
So he's a dogma before mercy guy, which is wild.
Like to just be my official position is I like
the rules more than I like like being nice to people.
He opposed Francis's decision to bless same sex couples to
allow communion to Divoor says, who remarry outside the church,
(14:52):
and also opposed Francis's concerns about migrants and the environment.
Cool fun environment.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
The odds are not great, right that he doesn't get elected.
We're in a uh, we're in a time, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Like like highly conservative.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Germans never been more powerful.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Right as a political philosopher.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
They're flying right now. They're doing not never, but it's
been a minute. It's been a while since they were
this popular. Yeah, he said. He hoped the other cardinals
would ignore Francis's mass media appeal and avoid the intrigue
depicted in the Oscar winning film Conclave, which is funny
because it seems like he's making a mass media appeal. Yeah,
(15:41):
and he's like grumpy because he doesn't. He's like, and
don't watch the movie where the conservative guy doesn't win
in the end.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
That's so funny.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
There's also a favorite details. Have you seen Conclave? Yeah?
Conservative for a pope is that One of the great
details of Conclave is that the shitty conservative cardinal who
wants to be pope is vaping the whole time.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yes, I have heard about So.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Makes me wonder, what's the black smoke? Is it just v.
Do you think you've got to imagine.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
The white smoke is just like the biggest.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
They It's not that they haven't decided to do the
pope is, but someone's got to get that pal really, really,
you know, this pulling cotton.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
That's right, all right, let's take a quick.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Break and we'll come back and talk about Dora the Explorer.
And we're back, and Dora the Boy, who I get
most of my information about gen Z from, is teaching
(16:52):
adults about Sigma, which, you know, for people who aren't
aren't familiar, Sigma is like you know, the manosphere was like, yeah,
alpha's cool, but you know what's really cool Sigma a billions. Yeah, yeah,
(17:12):
it's it's like the higher level galaxy brain version of
an alpha male. Where. Yeah, but anyways, Dora took to
TikTok to. I bet I guess she's been teaching kids
parents phrases like it's giving and sleigh. So so that's
(17:33):
what it seems like. This is based on the idea
that like this is for people who grew up on
Dora and now have their own children.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
That's a great question. I don't, I can't.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
I guess maybe are people who grew up on Dora
having kids now, I feel like they're not quite there,
is my guess. I'm just yeah, to me, my assumption
was like, first of all, I'll you know, as someone
who worked in social media for quite a long time
for the Umbrella Corporation that produces Dora the Explorer, I
(18:11):
just kind of feel like this is the type of
thing that was sort of pitched and it sounded great
to the like middle aged decision makers in this type
of situation. That doesn't that that they didn't really think
through the pitch. Although producer Brian is saying, and producer Victor,
(18:32):
I don't know who's what everyone's job is. I'm I'm
speaking to familiarly.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Brian is Brian the editor.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Super producer Victor.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yes, they're they're they are confirming that this is for
people who grew up with Dora, but grew up with
Dora but also have kids now.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Could make sense. Yeah, Dora came out in two thousand,
so this is.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
This is just sort of like I mean, this is
just like a version of like Urban Dictionary for people
who don't have time on their hands.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
It feels like, yeah, it sucks, It's it's just like
the only issue here is that it is describing what
Sigma is in a completely value like value free way,
where it's just like, Sigma are like confident and cool
and well, not not explaining the like manosphere, not.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Even value free.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
I think it's it's fully taking on the pitch from
from from Yeah, this is toxic.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
We're just talking.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
About being confident and doing your own thing.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Sigmas are cool, and then it like shows Nickelodeon characters
being Sigma.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, I mean if nothing else, like calling the word
Sigma cool is a value judgment that firmly places them
on the side, right, Like, if you think Sigma is cool,
then you are in company with Nazis right.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah, it's big leap, but that is true. Unfortunately, Dora,
You're enough your kids, Dora. But yeah, I don't know,
it's just somebody. Yeah, it's it feels like it's just
a thing where they're like, this is internet speak and
we just yeah, we are translating internet speak and uh,
(20:18):
you know, not taking aside as as mainstream medias want
to do. You know, we're not right, not left. We're
just teaching adults why their kids are calling things Sigma.
Probably the executive you're describing's kid kept calling something like what,
here's one for you?
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, I mean I think that's what it is. Is
Like I think that, like, again, it's been a minute
since I've worked in for these folks, but my memory
and my assumption and I'm confidence saying this is that
like a lot of the decision makers in this situation
don't really different, like they still sort of just see
internet talk as an undifferentiated thing as opposed to like,
(21:03):
what part of the internet, what.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Does this mean?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Like it's just like like the phrase like oh this
is from the internet still has like a lot of
like internal power in traditional media, even though that it's
just like much more nuanced than that, Right, So yeah,
I think that's that to me is the things like
how this could this could happen non maliciously with just
(21:28):
like a hearty dose of of old media bubble combined
with age induced ignorance.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, we'll see or maybe just or not. Yeah, maybe
maybe this is just the direction they're going. I mean,
like that it does make it sort of like the
way that capitalism is just like we meet our audience
where they are, and every mainstream media article about men
under the age of like thirty is like they are
(21:57):
all right Nazis and the judgment free zone. Yeah, and
in fact we think they're great because we want their business.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
They're cool.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah. Finally, let's talk about a judge has allowed a
lawsuit to go forward over Burger Kings Whopper ads. Basically,
it's another one of these ads where it's like the
Truth in Advertising where they were like these ads looked
great and these sandwiches look like shit?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah, I is it? Okay?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
How is media literacy so low that this is even possible?
Like what do you think an ad? Food in an
ad looks like?
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yeah, definitely, Yeah, it's I have had experiences where it's like, wow,
that actually like looks like the ad, and I knew
to be like that is crazy how much that looks
like the ad? You know that, I've never been surprised
that something that I got at a fast food restaurant
(23:08):
looks like shit compared to the picture. Yeah, maybe that's
my low expectations.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
If you know, it tastes great no matter what, guys,
don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
This episode is brought to you by the White Bird speaking.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
No just the concept of fast food. We're just like whatever,
like we have stock and just like the worst bleached
flat white flower or something.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I don't even know what it is.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I mean, I am curious because, like the rest of
the trends of the justice system are bending towards corporations
can lie as much as they want. Yeah, so I
am curious that it is a little bit. I guess
good that any truth in advertising is moving forward. Yeah,
(23:55):
I suspect this will there will be some way that
this is killed or probably more like there will be
sort of a false somewhat moral victory one on this behalf,
and then the industry will continue to do what it's doing. Yeah,
but this is how they can tell you that we're
fighting for that's right. This is just a little bit
of propaganda to be like corporations don't own us. There,
(24:19):
you guys are okay, you have free will, you're this
is this is okay, and it's gonna get better. Plus
we're looking into we don't even think that guy is
a fucking actual king. I don't think he has any
power at all. No, this is how this is how, Yeah,
this is how we underline that America, America the proud
(24:40):
and that we're we will depose the final King of America.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
That's right. We won't have that monarchy here in the
free monarchy that we're moving towards.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
And what a pleasure having you on Daily Zeit gees?
Where can people uh find you? Follow you here? You
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Speaker 2 (25:00):
I don't know, Andrew T Yo? Is this racist? Are
less depressing?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Premium show is called yok when We Live that's available
at suboptimal pods dot com.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
But whatever less depressing you say, should we try something
like that? That's crazy? All right? That is going to
do it for us this afternoon. We're back tomorrow with
a whole ass episode of the show. Until then, be
kind to each other, be kind to yourselves, get your
vaccines while you still can get your flu shots. Don't
(25:29):
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you all tomorrow by peace.
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