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(00:00):
Tomorrow makes two weeks from the daythat the attempted assassination of President Donald J.
Trump, and I just find itcurious that nobody's in Washington seems to
really be looking for answers. Imean, I know there's some show voting
of members of Congress up there tryingto say how out rage ar at the
former now former Secret Service director.But two weeks later and we seemingly got
(00:20):
out smarted by a twenty year oldkid that plays dungeons and Dragons or I
don't want some game. It's justa weirdo and he's smarter than like a
Navy sealer James Bond. I mean, he is stealth and nobody knows anything
about him. We have nothing tosee here. And I go back to
nineteen eighty one. I believe itwas which the attempted assassination of Ronald Wilson
Reagan. I was just an elementaryage kid, but I remember it seems
(00:44):
like almost instantly, at least withina day or so, we knew that
John Hinckley Junior was trying to impressactress Jody Foster and thought somehow she'd be
impressed if he could get a potshotoff of the president and kill him.
That was his motivation. And yetthat was without Internet, that was just
postal mail and just a couple ofphone calls. And yet now in the
days of the Internet, we don'tseem to be able to find any information
(01:07):
about this twenty year old and whathis motivation was and who he is.
It's really bizarre to me. Butmaybe I'm just maybe I just have ultra
high expectations they're obviously not being met. Leslie Korbly is a lawyer, social
commentator, author of a book calledSilent Suffering Poems of Pain and Purpose.
Leslie Corbly, Welcome to the program, Thanks for your patience, thanks for
(01:30):
having me on. I want todive in here because on the topic of
what happened on January July the thirteenth, because there's been this illusion that to
anybody like myself that's a conservative,we're insurrectionist, We're not the party of
compassion. And then we see whathappened on July the thirteenth. But give
me your thoughts. You're a citizenof America like I am, and you
(01:51):
kind of look and go, howis it that two weeks later we don't
seem to have any information. AmI am I missing something. It seems
like every other thing we get informationalmost instantaneously, except this twenty year old.
Evidently he has outsmarted everybody. Sure, it's certainly odd, unfortunately not
(02:12):
particularly surprising given the current state ofpartisanship in our country. But yeah,
this is certainly certainly not a goodit's certainly not a good a scenario I
think that we're in right now.It definitely not inspiring confidence in our government
institutions that they can't seem to figurethis out. It is amazing how immediately
they knew the motivation of what happenedon January sixth, and all these people
(02:37):
they knew immediately about that, Butthis twenty year old they can't figure a
damn thing out about him. InWashington, they had cameras everywhere, they
were arresting people for months about whathappened then. But July the thirteenth,
it's kind of quiet. I knowyou have written a book and you're an
observer of all that happens in theworld, in the country, and give
me your thoughts on the fact thatthat the leftist lie maybe has died,
(03:04):
that they were the people of peaceand the harmony and now suddenly they're not
is the illusion of the Party ofCompassion? Has it disappeared? I think
it has. Everythink it has.I think it's reached its peak and will
be a very difficult narrative to maintainmoving forward. And except for those who,
of course, who were already boughtinto this idea, right, I
(03:25):
mean, you have a certain baseof people that will likely be unpersuatable for
some time. But as it relatesto broader cultural trends, I would guess
moving forward, you're going to havea harder and harder time convincing people that
there's some big dichotomy between the leftand right as it relates to compassion,
(03:46):
rather than simply a difference in fundamentalbeliefs. Right, then govern what you
view as compassionate and not. Nowyou've written a book called Silent Suffering Poems
of Pain and Purpose, and peoplesay, well, what is the what's
the tie in between Leslie Krbli,who's an attorney and a poet all of
these topics. Well, a lotof the poetry in your book is kind
(04:09):
of based on exploring where suffering comesfrom in our culture and in our society.
I'll let you kind of unpack andconnect those dots for us. Sure,
So the book focuses heavily on whatI would say is stimulus of the
mind rather than the stimulus of thebody. So a lot of poetry focuses
on physical sentences, and the sortof intentionally focuses on mental stimulus. So
(04:30):
how do we understand ourselves psychologically?How do we philosophically relate to the world
and ourselves? And I did thatintentionally to Actually the book moves and four
sections, and the third section ison oppression, which heavily critiques the more
progressive left wing view of human dignity. So again critiquing this idea that on
(04:51):
the left side of the aisle there'sa broad like thrust towards compassion or inclusion.
I think that the left is goodat understanding certain forms of suffering and
pain, but they still do thatin the relation to their world view,
right, So there's all kinds ofways in which people suffer that fall on
(05:14):
the margins of progressive thought, andit's very rare that society has those conversations
about what that suffering looks like.And so yeah, that's kind of the
thrust behind the collection is to explorewhat suffering and pain looks like from a
vantage point. That isn't this identitarian, leftist narrative. It's usually what is
(05:36):
seen in society. You use thephrase narrative. And we have the J
six narrative versus the J thirteen narrative, and we talked about that, there's
another narrative out there that it causesthis political vitriol. You know, Donald
Trump and maga Republicans are a threatto democracy, a threat to democracy,
and yet they just put in apresidential candidate that's never received one primary vote.
(05:57):
They've never never has received a whata primary at all, And they
did the same thing squeez Bernie Sandersout in twenty sixteen, twenty twenty,
and they accuse us. The narrativeis we're the threat to democracy because of
our worldview or because of our politicalcandidate, and Kamala Harris just bypassed all
sorts of democracy. Sure well,it seems to be again another case of
(06:21):
interpreting the events in the through thelens of what's most convenient for those of
power. I mean, it's hardto look at it any other way.
It's also hard to imagine the sameevents occurring. The response from the general
(06:41):
mainstream press within the same had hadthere been an identical scenario in the Republican
party. Right, So again youhave a lot of this convenience driven rhetoric.
Right, what's the most useful rightnow in relation to framing events for
the public rather than in awe honesteffort to understand the truth of whatever is
(07:02):
going on in any given scenario,which, by the way, is a
fascinating dynamic to see unfold while we'reliving in the postmodern era, right,
because the postmodern era, like,what's the one of the major beliefs of
postmodernism is that there's no such thingas objective truth. So some of this
is fascinating from observing sort of acultural dynamic over time. Right, Oh
(07:27):
wow, we're in the post modernera. And should it surprise us the
perceptions what governs reality rather than truth? The voice of Leslie, cor believe
Leslie. If somebody picks up acopy of the collection The Silence Suffering Poems
of Pain and Purpose of help themunderstand, what will they find there?
Will they find things that are blatantlypolitical? Will they find things that are
blatantly laments, almost like a biblicallaments? What will they expect in this
(07:53):
collection. I would say it's closerto a treatise on grief. It's certainly
not all all overtly political. Itmoves from yearnings through hope. So the
first section is on what we allyearn for, which I think is things
like relationship, to understand ourselves,to understand one another. And then it
moves from there into a section titledinfinite Complexity, and that is more connected
(08:16):
to how do we grapple with definingreally important concepts such as good justice,
things like that, again not overlyparticularly overly political. Then it moves into
oppression, which does more critique theprogressive, sort of lessest narrative of compassion,
and it moves from there into hope, which is I think, what
(08:37):
we ultimately yearn for. Right,So that kind of ties the collection together
in a circular fashion. So moreor less it uses philosophy, history,
and theology to critique the present era. But I try to do so again
in a way that takes these broaderconcepts and ideas that transcend any particular era
(08:58):
and put that into a collection thatshould be timeless. So you'll have elements
that critique the present moment that area little more overly political and with the
remainder of the collection engaging more onthe philosophical level. Author and poet Leslie
Korbli. The name of the bookis Silent Suffering Poems of Pain and Purpose.
If folks want to follow you onlineand we're going to copy the book,
(09:18):
is there a website there? Wheredo they get the book at?
Oh? Yes, absolutely so.The website is I mean, the book
is available on Amazon or all majorretailers. And then you can also follow
my website or go to my websiteat Lesliecorbli dot com. There's a place
to very ease. There's a linkimmediately on the website to buy the book,
and then there's also a place tosign up for a newsletter to follow
(09:41):
along for updates. And then ofcourse I'm on Instagram and Twitter. Leslie.
I appreciate your time. We'll haveyou back on some other time.
We'll have more time. I appreciatethe conversation and I look forward to getting
you a copy of the book.Leslie Korbly my guest on the program.
And again the website Leslie korblycrbly dotcom, and you can pick up a
(10:01):
copy of the book anywhere good booksare sold, and it's called silent suffering.
Poems of faith, excuse me,Poems of pain and purpose, Leslie
Corbi, thanks for hopping on theradio show.
Tomorrow makes two weeks from the daythat the attempted assassination of President Donald J.
Trump, and I just find itcurious that nobody's in Washington seems to
really be looking for answers. Imean, I know there's some show voting
of members of Congress up there tryingto say how out rage ar at the
former now former Secret Service director.But two weeks later and we seemingly got
(00:20):
out smarted by a twenty year oldkid that plays dungeons and Dragons or I
don't want some game. It's justa weirdo and he's smarter than like a
Navy sealer James Bond. I mean, he is stealth and nobody knows anything
about him. We have nothing tosee here. And I go back to
nineteen eighty one. I believe itwas which the attempted assassination of Ronald Wilson
Reagan. I was just an elementaryage kid, but I remember it seems
(00:44):
like almost instantly, at least withina day or so, we knew that
John Hinckley Junior was trying to impressactress Jody Foster and thought somehow she'd be
impressed if he could get a potshotoff of the president and kill him.
That was his motivation. And yetthat was without Internet, that was just
postal mail and just a couple ofphone calls. And yet now in the
days of the Internet, we don'tseem to be able to find any information
(01:07):
about this twenty year old and whathis motivation was and who he is.
It's really bizarre to me. Butmaybe I'm just maybe I just have ultra
high expectations they're obviously not being met. Leslie Korbly is a lawyer, social
commentator, author of a book calledSilent Suffering Poems of Pain and Purpose.
Leslie Corbly, Welcome to the program, Thanks for your patience, thanks for
(01:30):
having me on. I want todive in here because on the topic of
what happened on January July the thirteenth, because there's been this illusion that to
anybody like myself that's a conservative,we're insurrectionist, We're not the party of
compassion. And then we see whathappened on July the thirteenth. But give
me your thoughts. You're a citizenof America like I am, and you
(01:51):
kind of look and go, howis it that two weeks later we don't
seem to have any information. AmI am I missing something. It seems
like every other thing we get informationalmost instantaneously, except this twenty year old.
Evidently he has outsmarted everybody. Sure, it's certainly odd, unfortunately not
(02:12):
particularly surprising given the current state ofpartisanship in our country. But yeah,
this is certainly certainly not a goodit's certainly not a good a scenario I
think that we're in right now.It definitely not inspiring confidence in our government
institutions that they can't seem to figurethis out. It is amazing how immediately
they knew the motivation of what happenedon January sixth, and all these people
(02:37):
they knew immediately about that, Butthis twenty year old they can't figure a
damn thing out about him. InWashington, they had cameras everywhere, they
were arresting people for months about whathappened then. But July the thirteenth,
it's kind of quiet. I knowyou have written a book and you're an
observer of all that happens in theworld, in the country, and give
me your thoughts on the fact thatthat the leftist lie maybe has died,
(03:04):
that they were the people of peaceand the harmony and now suddenly they're not
is the illusion of the Party ofCompassion? Has it disappeared? I think
it has. Everythink it has.I think it's reached its peak and will
be a very difficult narrative to maintainmoving forward. And except for those who,
of course, who were already boughtinto this idea, right, I
(03:25):
mean, you have a certain baseof people that will likely be unpersuatable for
some time. But as it relatesto broader cultural trends, I would guess
moving forward, you're going to havea harder and harder time convincing people that
there's some big dichotomy between the leftand right as it relates to compassion,
(03:46):
rather than simply a difference in fundamentalbeliefs. Right, then govern what you
view as compassionate and not. Nowyou've written a book called Silent Suffering Poems
of Pain and Purpose, and peoplesay, well, what is the what's
the tie in between Leslie Krbli,who's an attorney and a poet all of
these topics. Well, a lotof the poetry in your book is kind
(04:09):
of based on exploring where suffering comesfrom in our culture and in our society.
I'll let you kind of unpack andconnect those dots for us. Sure,
So the book focuses heavily on whatI would say is stimulus of the
mind rather than the stimulus of thebody. So a lot of poetry focuses
on physical sentences, and the sortof intentionally focuses on mental stimulus. So
(04:30):
how do we understand ourselves psychologically?How do we philosophically relate to the world
and ourselves? And I did thatintentionally to Actually the book moves and four
sections, and the third section ison oppression, which heavily critiques the more
progressive left wing view of human dignity. So again critiquing this idea that on
(04:51):
the left side of the aisle there'sa broad like thrust towards compassion or inclusion.
I think that the left is goodat understanding certain forms of suffering and
pain, but they still do thatin the relation to their world view,
right, So there's all kinds ofways in which people suffer that fall on
(05:14):
the margins of progressive thought, andit's very rare that society has those conversations
about what that suffering looks like.And so yeah, that's kind of the
thrust behind the collection is to explorewhat suffering and pain looks like from a
vantage point. That isn't this identitarian, leftist narrative. It's usually what is
(05:36):
seen in society. You use thephrase narrative. And we have the J
six narrative versus the J thirteen narrative, and we talked about that, there's
another narrative out there that it causesthis political vitriol. You know, Donald
Trump and maga Republicans are a threatto democracy, a threat to democracy,
and yet they just put in apresidential candidate that's never received one primary vote.
(05:57):
They've never never has received a whata primary at all, And they
did the same thing squeez Bernie Sandersout in twenty sixteen, twenty twenty,
and they accuse us. The narrativeis we're the threat to democracy because of
our worldview or because of our politicalcandidate, and Kamala Harris just bypassed all
sorts of democracy. Sure well,it seems to be again another case of
(06:21):
interpreting the events in the through thelens of what's most convenient for those of
power. I mean, it's hardto look at it any other way.
It's also hard to imagine the sameevents occurring. The response from the general
(06:41):
mainstream press within the same had hadthere been an identical scenario in the Republican
party. Right, So again youhave a lot of this convenience driven rhetoric.
Right, what's the most useful rightnow in relation to framing events for
the public rather than in awe honesteffort to understand the truth of whatever is
(07:02):
going on in any given scenario,which, by the way, is a
fascinating dynamic to see unfold while we'reliving in the postmodern era, right,
because the postmodern era, like,what's the one of the major beliefs of
postmodernism is that there's no such thingas objective truth. So some of this
is fascinating from observing sort of acultural dynamic over time. Right, Oh
(07:27):
wow, we're in the post modernera. And should it surprise us the
perceptions what governs reality rather than truth? The voice of Leslie, cor believe
Leslie. If somebody picks up acopy of the collection The Silence Suffering Poems
of Pain and Purpose of help themunderstand, what will they find there?
Will they find things that are blatantlypolitical? Will they find things that are
blatantly laments, almost like a biblicallaments? What will they expect in this
(07:53):
collection. I would say it's closerto a treatise on grief. It's certainly
not all all overtly political. Itmoves from yearnings through hope. So the
first section is on what we allyearn for, which I think is things
like relationship, to understand ourselves,to understand one another. And then it
moves from there into a section titledinfinite Complexity, and that is more connected
(08:16):
to how do we grapple with definingreally important concepts such as good justice,
things like that, again not overlyparticularly overly political. Then it moves into
oppression, which does more critique theprogressive, sort of lessest narrative of compassion,
and it moves from there into hope, which is I think, what
(08:37):
we ultimately yearn for. Right,So that kind of ties the collection together
in a circular fashion. So moreor less it uses philosophy, history,
and theology to critique the present era. But I try to do so again
in a way that takes these broaderconcepts and ideas that transcend any particular era
(08:58):
and put that into a collection thatshould be timeless. So you'll have elements
that critique the present moment that area little more overly political and with the
remainder of the collection engaging more onthe philosophical level. Author and poet Leslie
Korbli. The name of the bookis Silent Suffering Poems of Pain and Purpose.
If folks want to follow you onlineand we're going to copy the book,
(09:18):
is there a website there? Wheredo they get the book at?
Oh? Yes, absolutely so.The website is I mean, the book
is available on Amazon or all majorretailers. And then you can also follow
my website or go to my websiteat Lesliecorbli dot com. There's a place
to very ease. There's a linkimmediately on the website to buy the book,
and then there's also a place tosign up for a newsletter to follow
(09:41):
along for updates. And then ofcourse I'm on Instagram and Twitter. Leslie.
I appreciate your time. We'll haveyou back on some other time.
We'll have more time. I appreciatethe conversation and I look forward to getting
you a copy of the book.Leslie Korbly my guest on the program.
And again the website Leslie korblycrbly dotcom, and you can pick up a
(10:01):
copy of the book anywhere good booksare sold, and it's called silent suffering.
Poems of faith, excuse me,Poems of pain and purpose, Leslie
Corbi, thanks for hopping on theradio show.
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