Reacting to the Astros Trade for Yusei Kikuchi & Trading Away Joey Loperfido

Stan and Gordy react to the Houston Astros trade with the Toronto Blue Jays for pitcher Yusei Kikuchi, and trading away prospects in Jake Bloss, Joey Loperfido and Will Wagner. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Now what's next?

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Next up?

Speaker 3 (00:04):
It's the man Next up.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
The next step, take the next step, next.

Speaker 4 (00:09):
Up, stop next, next up.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
This team wants to be next.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
This is next Up with Tad Northfleeten Chris Gordy.

Speaker 5 (00:19):
Let's see what's next next next.

Speaker 6 (00:24):
Here we go to Tuesday Live from the Sports Talk
seven ninety studios Nelton in between Uptown Park and River
Oaks for the next two hours. Next up stand Northfleet
Me new to the station, new to the show. Welcome, uh,
this is going to be a special ride for the
next two hours. My radio partner in his customer position.
That's Chris Gordon. He was in the ballpark last night

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as the Astros have faced Paul Skens in the Pittsburgh
Pirates in Game one of a three game series. Here
at Mini May Park again, Welcome in Chris Gordon. There's
Connedy McGovern. He assists us with our prognition, production and
programming need throughout the course of this program. I much
love to the Sewn Salisbury Show each and every weekday
morning six to ten am. We get up, we hang out,

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we have a good time. We get informed by Sean,
Brian Lalima and our guy em Manuel.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:15):
The Olympics are going on. That's cool. Won't talk about
that today. A couple of rockets things I didn't get
to yesterday. Not dealing with that either. There is and
what was previously in this city the biggest news topic
yesterday before we got the men in May Park last night.
Denico Autri of the Houston Texans, a defensive lineman, has

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been suspended for the first six games. Aaron Wilson will
drop by in about half an hour and assist us
with that. Gordon, for the first time and probably the
only time that we will do that this season and
in two seasons that you and I have done this show.
I have zero desire to talk about the actual game
right because that's I assure you. Nobody's gonna call in

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here and ask about U strikeouts per nine of Paul
Skemes and arrogated last night. Let we're just not doing
that well. It's frustrating too, because the game they should one.
It was an interesting game. Josh Hayda's name may come
up because of the money, but that's not the storyline here.
And this one is going to be challenging because people
have been clamoring for you and I Gordy and started
last night when the Astros make the trade. Connor, let's

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get Dana ready to go from last night. I'm aa
cute that here in a little bit. Let's go ahead
and get that parted up. People were clamoring for us
Gordy last night. Oh, I can't wait to hear next up.
I know staying at Gordy about to do the thing.
And you're damn right we are. This is about and
this is gonna be a while for us to unpack.
We're gonna be here for a while. We will take

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phone calls seven one three two one two five seven
ninety Gordy, I would like to start as a welcome
you in real quick from someone that you and I
both revere from, someone highly respected in this industry, someone
that covers the Houston Astros on a very daily basis.
The Room on July twenty third, at ten o'clock at night,

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wrote in February, the Astros knew Garcia and mccullors were
going to be later rivals, and they knew Verlander was
going to be delayed in spring training. His words, not mine.
Adding insurance, even if just a vet on a minor
league deal or the League minimum should have happened. Then,

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Chandler Room says, as I've written numerous times, the trade
last night, in no other way to look at it,
that was an awful trade. Now we're gonna blame some
people because I think there's going to be some unfair criticism.

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There's gonna be some uncomfortable conversation. But y'all know me.
I don't hold back any punches.

Speaker 7 (03:53):
Now.

Speaker 6 (03:53):
Some of you are gonna fan out, even some of
you that don't like me very much and hate this show.
I know yass is listening today because you know I'm
gonna tell the truth, my truth. There are a lot
of truths here, Gordy. Real simple. They gave up a
lot of young dudes, mostly unproven. When I say young,

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I should say inexperience. They gave up a lot of
inexperience for a guy that has been mid this year
that we're gonna have on a rental for two seasons. No,
I'm sorry, two months. I said two this season for
two months.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Excuse me.

Speaker 6 (04:34):
The trade made no sense last night, and it doesn't
make sense today.

Speaker 8 (04:39):
Floris George, Chris Gordon, Yeah, I mean I've slept on it.
I was, I was with you, I was with everybody
else last ye. Well, I mean I still am. I
still agree it's it's not a great trade.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
You know.

Speaker 8 (04:51):
I think there's there's a few of those uh you know,
Twitter accounts out there that are you know, kind of
like the unbiased ones that give.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
You know, give it evaluation of the trade.

Speaker 8 (05:03):
And of course now I can't find it, but there
there was one of those things where they like evaluate
the trade and they said this was not.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
A good trade for the Astros.

Speaker 8 (05:12):
Here it is baseball trade values, says today, the blue
Jay's reportedly acquired uh you say, or rather, the Astros
acquired you say, Kakuchi from the blue Jay's exchange for
Jake Bloss Joey low Praffito. Will Wagner said, by our modeling,
Toronto was receiving significantly more for a half season of
Kokuchi season than Chicago received for a year and a

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half of Eric Fetti. The blue Jay's excellent trade deadline continues.
There's a few things here as we get into I
will tell you a little bit later that I'm a
little bit optimistic on you think, well, no, like he's
got great stuff, Like he's great stuff like.

Speaker 6 (05:54):
N eight miles An now, which is okay, he strikes
out a lot of people.

Speaker 8 (05:59):
Got struck out. Stuff that thing. I do think this
this pitching staff. You look at the job that they've
done with Hudder Brown this year, what they've done with
arrag Getty, Like, I think they could maybe get the
best out of them.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
We'll see time, we'll tell on that.

Speaker 8 (06:11):
But no, just from a simple you know, when the
news comes out that Jake Bloss is being scratched, you
know I saw. I was like, okay, he's either getting
traded or he's injured. And you know, then Taylor, I think,
was quick to come out and go Jake Boss is
not injured.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
So we're like, okay, well you trade, he's being traded.

Speaker 8 (06:28):
And we find out they're gonna start Taylor's sky, like
all right, bullpen game, We'll figure it out and could
us those guys or and taylor'scott.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
They did awesome.

Speaker 8 (06:35):
But it was like when the news first came out,
it's gonna be for you, Safkkuchi and it's like, okay,
that's a name that we know they've been interested in.
And you're like, okay, all you've seen is this Jake
Bloss And I'm like you know what you know Bloss was.
You know you were gonna have team control of him
for a couple of years, and maybe there's something there.
But okay, not a bad trade if that's all you
gave up. And then they came out, No way, that's

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not all they gave up.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
I mean, like for a.

Speaker 8 (06:58):
While we didn't know he kept We're waiting in suspense,
Like what else did they give up?

Speaker 6 (07:02):
From Chandler Rome, I want you to stay where you are.
I just want to throw in maybe we're gonna do
the same thing. There's gonna be a lot of time here.
Seven one, three, two, two five, semine you want to
talk stros to hell with that game. I don't give
a damn about Game one versus Pirates. So hater does
need to get us crap together. But I'm not worried
about him. He's got ninety five million. He's gonna be
here the Blue Jay. This was Chandler Rome on the
Kakuchi trade when it was rumored that Bloss is in

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the deal. Chandler Rome says the blue jays exact return
is unknown this is at the time, but it is
expected to include touted pitching prospect Jake Bloss, It is
also expected to include two more prospects. According to elite
source Gordon, I put it on our DMS as a
as a group, I said, two more prospects. What the

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hell do you mean? Two more prospects? And we later
find out who those two are. Yeah, And look, I
will say this.

Speaker 8 (07:53):
To like, you gotta be careful with the with the
rankings because I think we kind of default to MLB
dots prospect rankings, and and for the most part, they
have guys who do a pretty good job of monitoring
that stuff. But there's other websites out there. Fangrass is one,
there's other ones that debt monitor this kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
You know.

Speaker 8 (08:13):
Bloss was kind of all over the place in these rankings.
Some people, you know, they had him as like the
ninth or tenth best prospect I've seen. Overall, most people
had aj Blue boss is their highest ranked pitching prospect.
And I was again, I was told the other day
that Data does not want to move him, and they have.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Not moved him.

Speaker 8 (08:31):
Low Braffito I heard from multiple I talked to somebody
in the know yesterday who told me, I said, I said,
the future of low Perfido. This is before the game yesterday,
before anything went down, I asked this person, what do
you think the future is with low Perffido? And this
person told me he's a fourth outfielder. He's a he's
a Jake Myers Chas McCormick. They'll have some moments cool

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than well, but there's no value in those. Well, you
can't tell me he's going to be those guys. Who's
better right now? Jake who's still a young dude, or
Zoeys Lopafito. Jake Miles is the better player. Why wasn't
he in the deal? Well, I'm just telling you because
teams that are blowing up and rebuilding, what the young
this is the negotiation. But in other words, that was

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said to me before the game, Yesterer. Now I'm a
Loper Fido fan.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
I like Joey.

Speaker 8 (09:17):
I wanted him to stick up here and play and
all this. But I do think we did maybe maybe
romanticized a little bit. When you look at the actual numbers.
The strikeout totals are still very high. And this person
who I trust, tell me they think at best he's
a fourth outfielder. So again, like maybe that softens the
ball a little bit, But yes, I mean, this was
the price of playing poker. And this is what sucks

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with those extra wildcard game teams is that it muddies
the market. He's too many teams that are trying to
be sellers.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
That part.

Speaker 6 (09:47):
I'm with you, Yes, you are not wrong about that,
But I want my flowers today. I want my flowers
when I told y'all last in February, March, and April
that the organization had arrogance and they roll the dice
that everything is gonna be fine when Archidi comes back,
and everything's gonna be fine when Garcia comes back, and
don't worry in mcaulis junior, we trust and JV at

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fourty one years old, won't have any more injuries and
there won't be any other injuries. Christian Javier JP France
and others. Kendall Graveman, who we traded for last year.
We'll get into those prospects that went out the door
last year. I want my bleeping flowers today, Houston, because
many of you, some in this room, told me, don't
worry about it. It'll be okay. They're gonna get guys back.

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If they were going to get guys back, and if
Dana knew because that's another part to this as we
go to break. If Dana truly felt like everything was
gonna be okay when I know Verlander's gonna go from
the man today as is Garcia. If he truly felt
like that was going to be enough, If he truly
thought Garcia was gonna be here, he wouldn't have done
this badass deal.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
He did this deal.

Speaker 6 (10:49):
Because he knew I don't have the confidence in him
that I really been talking about. Instead, Dana Brown has
gotta tell me, Jim Crane has gotta tell me back
where busy old Reggie Jackson, all of you that laugh
at me around here and many of you listening, I
told you asking February March, in April, it was gonna
be more expensive and less plentiful when you got to
this point. I've been sitting on this for four months now.

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You have to call in here and tell me I
was right in the beginning. If you didn't get Blakesdaale,
you should have got Michael Lorenzen, you should have.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Got somebody else.

Speaker 6 (11:19):
Jordan Montgomery, you should have given yourself arm insurance.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
And you didn't. Channel of Rome agrees with me.

Speaker 6 (11:26):
Baseball and America agrees with me because it's the right
bleeping thing. And if you don't agree with me on
the way to break, it's because you have organizational arrogance
and you've got something against me.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
No, damn it.

Speaker 6 (11:38):
We're doing on the all the sign Sports Sox seven ninety.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, a couple of things.

Speaker 9 (11:46):
You know.

Speaker 10 (11:46):
I think he features, you know, power with his fastball,
and our guys have done a great job with pitching
in this organization. We've been able to make some tweaks,
and with that said, I think, you know, we can
really get this guy to a point where he could
maintain some dominance with that fastball.

Speaker 6 (12:07):
Astro general manager Dana Brown immediately following the game last night,
Astros lose. I don't even have had a score up
in front of me. I don't really care. Astro still
in the first place in the Al West. I do
care about that. Seattle lose his fine, all right, Gordy. Look,

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Dana Brown was painted. He was pushed into a corner.
I don't believe Dana Brown and the baseball ilk that
I know he comes from, having previously worked in Toronto
and with the Braves organization. There's no way Dana Brown
wanted to sit on his hands and wait for the

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pitching situation to become this dire. I think this is
about Jim Crane and the cronies. Cronies by definition, I
mean no personal disrespect Bagwell Visio, Reggie Jackson and whomever
else is in there. You roll the dice when you
didn't have to. Gordon, Think about when you heard from
Dana last night at the podium. I was having a

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late dinner with somebody last night in the gallery area
and I you know, I had the ear pods in
my ear so I could not hear the TV broadcast.
Think about Dana Brown's face when he was giving us
the news last night of the trade for Kokuchi.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Does that look like a man? Gordon?

Speaker 6 (13:29):
Think about his face? Does that look like a man
that was happy with his decision? Does that look like
a man that was pleased? I heard what he said, Yeah,
I mean, but does it look like this is what
he wanted to do and this is what was in
the best of course?

Speaker 8 (13:43):
Bet the situation as of yesterday, again, we can't do it.
We can't do anything about what's transpired up until this
point yesterday. The decision yesterday is do I sit pat
and not do anything, which, by the way, there were
tons of fans criticizing on social media yesterday going Astros
do sp thing, Dann Brown, you bump do something, and
then finally they do something. It's like, nah, that's something

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that's terrible. Well, your two options yesterday were Staan Patt
do nothing or give up more than you'd like and
Wen we knew they were gonna give up options.

Speaker 6 (14:14):
But it's not what they gave up Necessarily. If this
same deal, if those same three guys go out the
door for the Astros, and that's Crochet, that's walking in
different conversation. They don't have the process to get listen
to what I'm saying. The problem many of us are
having with the deal is who went out versus who

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came back. Kokuchi is a mint rotation starter at the
bad at best.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
And that's what you that's.

Speaker 8 (14:44):
The the the casino you're in, that's the you can't
play how he doesn't eat up innings all you could
get he doesn't eat up innings And I'll do you
one better when it comes playoff time.

Speaker 6 (14:55):
Kokuchi's not gonna be in this four man rotation.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
He's not good.

Speaker 6 (14:59):
Enough, So you're not even gonna have here house in
October or in September when it comes money time.

Speaker 8 (15:04):
I mean, it's easy to say because his numbers have
been been great in Toronto, especially the last month.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
The first month he was superb again.

Speaker 8 (15:13):
That's why I say my hope is Josh Miller and
the pitching coaches can fine tune him and go hey,
and this staff has done this before. Think of Garrett Cole.
Garrett Cole was pretty good in Pittsburgh. He became here
and became elite. Justin Verlander, really good in Detroit, came here,
became elite. A lot of guys that have come here
they've fine tuned. And look at Hunter Brown to turn around,

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he's had this did not come here at this cost.
So the cost the cost. But listen what I'm saying,
but we still have to talk about it. That's how obligation.
But I'm just saying, like the hope for Kokuchi is
that I'm not expects he's going to be gaining one, two.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Or three starter.

Speaker 6 (15:48):
No, that's not the point. Like you're caught up in
what Kokuchi is. I'm called up in what you gave
up based on what he is. I'm not telling you
that that low Perffedo was going to become Kyle Tucker.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Here's what I do know. Kyle Tucker's injured with a
fractioned leg.

Speaker 6 (16:08):
My opinion Kyle Tucker has he's not signed to this
team long term. What I do know is Jordan Alvarez
over there and left has been hurt too.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
What I do know is Maurice L.

Speaker 6 (16:20):
Dubon is gonna want real money, so you're going to
lose that utility guy that has played meaningful games for
you in the outfield. And we don't know what happened
to Chaz's game, and Jake Mines is up and down.
So all I know is with those question marks out there,
I probably want to hold on to Low Perfedo.

Speaker 8 (16:36):
Yeah, I just like I said, I go back to
maybe they just didn't envision like he's good.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
They liked him, but they weren't in love with him.

Speaker 8 (16:43):
And Jacob Melton is still your number one prospect on
all the boards. He's an outfielder who is your number
one prospect. Low Praffito was that he wasn't even in
your top ten. I mean, let's be real. Fans got
excited about him because he was hitting some home runs
and triple A and all that. But I think at
the end of the day, he take the romanticism out
actual numbers, going field, strikeout rates, strikes.

Speaker 6 (17:07):
He's a young prospect growing. All I'm telling you is
according to Baseball Analysis that I see the Astros traded
for what some consider to be in their system, their second,
fifth and nineteen ranked prospect.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
For KOCHI who said that this is a who is this?
This is.

Speaker 6 (17:27):
This is the MLB site, this MLB metrics. That's inaccurate.
That's I'm just telling you that was not those guys.
That's what who there is night uh not local Feto
who was nine.

Speaker 8 (17:40):
Boss was the only one last year. I can't remember
what he was last year. Man, he's always been. He
was like nineteenth last year. He was not a top project.
Your top prospects. I don't care, Jacob, I don't care.
Don't care, Rice, Matthew, Zachison, those are your top problem.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
He didn't trade any.

Speaker 6 (17:56):
Ofthing, doesn't matter. You still sit out dudes that are
that are playing for you. In the case of Joey Lopafedo,
he's playing for you, Bloss playing for you. You sent
out dudes that are playing for you for a dude
that's got three into this honestly, three point three million
left for two months and with a four to seven
five he answer a question.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
For me, do you think you said Kakuchi?

Speaker 8 (18:16):
Do you do you trust handing him the ball more
down the stretch than Jake Bloss?

Speaker 6 (18:20):
I trust Jake Bloss and Local Feedo more than I
trust conw It's not it's not a one for because
that's it wasn't the one one in the trade. It's
those three for that one that's the trade. I'm telling
you this because I don't think Dana did Pejor.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Leon gets it, gets his chance.

Speaker 8 (18:37):
He love He's better than Loajo Leon. I'm glad you
brought better than I can. Look at you and go
do you like him better? I mean, so, see what
is so is able? Where Local Fito plays for us
and he make plays, it's he's made some great desensive
he's an ascending prospect, which everybody in baseball, guys that
know more about baseball than both you and I, when

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they all say Local is an ascending prospect, there's something there.
None of the guy I talked to yesterday said at
best he's a fourth outfielder.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
I'll trust that, and this was.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
I liked him.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Oh my god, let me go to the phones. I just.

Speaker 6 (19:15):
What drives me crazy about some of the astros and
baseball fans in this city. And I do love y'all. Revere,
and I appreciate you not on phone lines a debate.
This is it back and forth. You have your opinions.
I was making my point. I appreciate it being able
to get it out. What frustrates the but Jesus out
of me is that you all try and manipulate the

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narrative when it's a player you like and when he's
playing for you, but the moment that guy isn't playing well,
or the moment that guy's with you. Everybody told me
Kokuchi's numbers don't matter all of a sudden, Well wait
a minute, Blake's now when he got off to a
slow start on the West Coast. Oh, then the numbers matter, Like,
let's be consistent with what we're doing here. The bottom

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line is COCOUCHI has been trashed recently in this league. Recently.
I'm talking about this season. Recently, he's been trash, and
I have the numbers to back it up.

Speaker 8 (20:08):
Yeah, the month of April he was one of the
best pictures in baseball and how long ago was April?

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Okay, yes, he's not a terrible joy, just like.

Speaker 6 (20:13):
People tried to tell me, Oh, Blake Snell is trash
than you want to Blake, and now he's been saying
that's chiefs. It consistent. The bottom line is Dana Brown
was painting it to the corner. The rest of the
team and James clicking them are laughing in Toronto because
they absolutely fleeced Dan Browns are going to be a

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playoff team.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Blue Jason again of fortune?

Speaker 6 (20:38):
Are you trying to convince us that the Toronto Blue
Jays didn't win this trade?

Speaker 1 (20:41):
They won the trade, but they're not that thing.

Speaker 8 (20:44):
They're trying to get to the freaking playoffs organization right now? Fine,
we laughing your ass in Toronto is spending a fortune
on the team they can't even make the postseason?

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Are you really trying? I'll be like, what are we
doing here?

Speaker 6 (20:57):
Season?

Speaker 8 (20:58):
I did not say that, you don't What are you
being ridiculous? What are we doing here? Has been Toronto
won the trade? Clearly, we don't know that. Clearly, we
haven't even seen the Astro's uniform yet. What if he
goes out there pitches six innings of two run ball.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
In his debut. That's a good you know, like we
don't even know what he is yet.

Speaker 8 (21:15):
Because the guy sucked in Toronto, I can't just assume
he's gonna suck here.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
We have better pitching coaches.

Speaker 6 (21:20):
We have guys who can find about kokuci too. Oh well,
if you really look it is Fippah and Bipa, You're
gonna look.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
At all that great stuff.

Speaker 6 (21:29):
You gonna look at all the I'm not the strikeouts
for nine now us real, he does do that, I'm
not gonna And the fastball we already talked about that.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
That's fine.

Speaker 6 (21:36):
Why I'm talking about Oh, he's been victim of a
lot of bad luck. Bad so he's the he's the
only pitcher League.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Baseball, but he is. He has been victimized.

Speaker 6 (21:46):
The balls fine space off his Go look at Dana
Brown's face when he was telling us last night about
this trade, and tell me you see a man that's
confident in the deal that he was forced to do.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
He got hos.

Speaker 6 (21:57):
He know, he got holes, and I believe Dana didn't
want to do this.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Dana didn't want to do this.

Speaker 6 (22:04):
But the guys at top, starting with one Jimmy Crane,
and I don't give a damn who over that Minie
may part.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Of the World Series. It doesn't mean every decision he
makes is the right, does it?

Speaker 8 (22:14):
But not the every move majority of moves he's made
have been correct. Gordy, he got it. I mean you
do have to give the man that you played. You
wasn't played one of the masters probably, And I know
we're going to break, Hannah.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
I'm Hannah Connor. I know we're going to break.

Speaker 6 (22:33):
You're telling me that you agree with how Jim Crane
and his cronies have handled the injury and the pitching
rotation and the relief on this team all see. Oh,
I just need you to answer the question. Yeah, you're
comfortable with what they've done, the decision.

Speaker 8 (22:48):
If he didn't want Christian Hobby you.

Speaker 6 (22:53):
Had to do it again, Gordon, would you want them
to handle it the exact same way as my question?

Speaker 8 (22:58):
I just don't know what they couldn't the crystal ball.
All these guys were gonna get hurt with six dudes
on the EyeT, but half of them were coming home.
And I told you in real time, just because somebody's
hurt and they get healthy, don't mean they're gonna stay healthy.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
And Verlander was turning forty one time.

Speaker 8 (23:13):
If I you know, if my aunt had you know,
what's the old saying, if you want to blame anybody,
and this is real talk, who we really should should
be getting heat? How about this training staff? They have
more injuries than they've ever had in a season. Kyle Tucker,
we can't even get a timeline on his return. Justin Verlander.
I'm gonna like Jeremiah Randall their mum on all those injuries,

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kymier or Keaty, j Franz, Justin Verlander, mccullars, Garcia, Kyle Tucker,
Kendall Graveman, Bennett, suss Up, Oliver, take every guy that's
walked in that building is cats up and you want
me to have But I'm just asking you to have
a little bit of a little little bit of sense
of we couldn't foresee every picture was gonna get hurt.

Speaker 6 (23:53):
You started deal with this, you started to deal with this.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
It was but it was guys.

Speaker 6 (24:00):
He was like, and you keep putting so much faith
into the organization, Damn going this like you.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Worked for them. Hobby, the hobby curl Ander was said
to come back. He came down. Just's forty one.

Speaker 6 (24:11):
When those guys came back, they pitched well, and only
one dudes pitch a hunt and whatever it fun and
never sign a pitcher for it because he's just gonna
get hurt every day. The organization gambled and they lost.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
They paid for it. You had a good staff, you
say last night, they paid for it.

Speaker 6 (24:26):
And me and a whole lot of other people that
support the Astros that buy a ticket and concessions at
park Card and go to tickets and go to all
this other stuff, that buy memorabilia and merchandise, we're pissed.
It doesn't mean we're giving up on the team. It
doesn't mean it's still in the postseason team. It means
I'm pissed because this was organizational arrogance that put you
in this position.

Speaker 8 (24:46):
And I'm not afraid to say it, but that's your opinion.
I disagree.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
It's the lines I loaded with a whole bunch of
people that agree. I don't.

Speaker 8 (24:54):
I don't think they agree that we can agree it
was about tread, but I don't think organizational arrogance. If
you want to say they to sign Josh Hater and
should have signed another starter.

Speaker 6 (25:02):
Okay, I'll hear that out. But once they signed Hater
and they went up against the second goal down, we
don't sign anybody. Uh, But they brought in Dylan holl
Coolman Hog ten goals down. The second time, they still
didn't bring anybody that justin Berland.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
That goes down.

Speaker 6 (25:17):
The second time, they still didn't bring in anybody. We
get to twenty some hours before the deadline, and this
is what they do. It is the definition of organizational arrogance.
Lines are loaded. Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Next stop, next and back up?

Speaker 11 (25:40):
Now that house down door, Fleet and Chris Gordyon's next
up on Sports Talk seven ninety Hey.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Half an hour into it?

Speaker 6 (25:56):
Two is it here in the Sports Talk seven ninety studios,
home of the astro, the legendary KB and me. I'm
texting my brother Ann Wilson right now. I do so
much want to talk about this Denico archery suspension, but
I'm looking at the phone lines, I'm looking at social media.
Gordon and I continue to riff off the air. The

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story of the day in Houston is the trade and look, man,
you feel the way that you feel about it, Gordy
is correct. Kokuchi's here. There's nothing you can do about it.
The Astros have sent the release. I think it came
out this morning. I've been up and the Wii I
was reading, trying to learn everything I can about what's
going on here.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Oh, let me give you this.

Speaker 8 (26:36):
Because I reached out to a buddy Miney who covers
the Blue Jays, I said him, a DM, and I
have not read this yet, so I'm reading this for
the first time.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
I asked him.

Speaker 8 (26:46):
I said, hey, give me a quick, you know, quick
thoughts on Kokuchi. What are the asterisk getting? He says, great, dude,
fun picture, big athleticism, quality stuff. He's cut the walk
rate down significantly, but very homer and hard contact prone
still particularly to righties. Really good against lefties. I'm not
sure how that'll play in Houston, but we're rooting for him.

Speaker 6 (27:07):
So he was well like fourteen of his seventeen home
runs were by right handed batters. Guess how that's gonna
play at Minute May Park with the crawl for boxes
out there and left con filens.

Speaker 8 (27:18):
So if you throw left against the righting, I guess
that's two left.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
I'm trying to think of the okay, well, goter here
all right, I'm a hush. Many of you have asked
me to.

Speaker 6 (27:29):
I got text message staying calm down, breathe brother, I
understand it's gonna be okay. This is why I do radio.
I'm living this real time with all of you. I'm
up all night listening to people's reaction social media. As
stand sportsman. He is at Chris Gordy. We have Sports
Talk seven ninety. I couldn't wait to do this damn show.
Do you watch any of Kokuchie highlights?

Speaker 1 (27:50):
I did.

Speaker 6 (27:51):
He's got some stuff. Listen Kokuchi. But Michael, before you go,
how many starts do you think Kakouchi's gonna get in
ten months? Excuse me, in two months?

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Maybe ten?

Speaker 6 (28:00):
Yeah, okay, in ten starts, half of them will be
reasonable mid rotation starts. This isn't about Kokuchi himself. It's
about what it costs to get Kokuchi. When they elected
to do the deal. What you got back for Kokuchi,
which is essentially a two month rental, and you're paying
three point three million dollars in two months to do

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so when you had other options earlier.

Speaker 8 (28:25):
Than was an old saying it goes no use in
crying over spilled milk. The hell I think this is
where we are? The hell you get on board a
big boy pass much hell? Kokuchi's really good as much hell.

Speaker 6 (28:36):
As I call in this city. When I was saying
all of this same bleep to start the year, I've
held this for four months.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
That's fine.

Speaker 12 (28:41):
I'm gonna have.

Speaker 11 (28:43):
Its.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Fact. I just don't understand fact. You think there's unlimited.

Speaker 8 (28:47):
Money to spend and everybody are and we just assume
we're gonna have seven injured starters that aren't gonna make
make it through the season.

Speaker 6 (28:54):
The same Michael Lorenzen who just got dealt by the Rangers,
who went back to the Rangers to start the year.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
He went for four million dollars.

Speaker 6 (29:00):
How much money did the Astros have which would not
taken them into the second tax aper? Oh, it happened
to be four million dollars. You could have had Michael
l Ramsay, who's what better than Kokuchi?

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Didn't want to come here.

Speaker 8 (29:11):
Maybe he's like, no, you guys are about to get
Hovier back and Lander back. This think could be room
for me in the rotation.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
That was literally.

Speaker 8 (29:16):
Discussion during spring training was that once everybody got healthy,
they were gonna have too much pitching. The woman is
too beautiful because if I signed with that Teama, I
want to be part of the five man rotation.

Speaker 6 (29:30):
If I get booted out, No, it doesn't mean you'll
get booted out. Somebody else may get booted out. Michael
in the Heights, come on, bro.

Speaker 11 (29:37):
Hey man, Okay, guys, y'all stressed me out.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Look, I think the little Berfito thing that's gonna hurt
in the future for sure. But I just feel, like
you said, you know, they're calling up Pedgriy Leon. I
think they're just like, hey, we'll just plug this guy in.
He might be able to be better. I mean, that's
what it looks like to be. And if they can,
I still want them to go get like Grower Junior.

Speaker 12 (29:59):
Man.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
If they can that off, then all all all wrongs
will be righted. So hopefully maybe they can do that.
But yeah, man, I'm a little I'm a little hot,
but uh, you know, hopefully if Kakucci, I mean, you know,
I don't know, like we needed a pitcher and we
got one. It's probably not the one we wanted, but uh,
you know, we gotta you gotta go to the dance
with the one you brought.

Speaker 8 (30:19):
So my man, Michelen Height, It's like I said, the
needed an arm I mean you were you.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
We couldn't.

Speaker 8 (30:25):
We couldn't lead on Jake Blostiger five days down the
stretch for a playoff team. You needed somebody who's at
least proven. No, that's what Kauci is. Look, we can
put lipstick on a pig all day. By the way,
speaking of lipstick on a pick, Joey lo Brafito's playing
seventeen games in the month of July, batting one forty
nine if nineteen strikeouts. So again, I'm not like the

(30:46):
kid too, but let's also live in the real world
of what he actually was.

Speaker 6 (30:50):
And you tell us all the time prospect is about
development that same pitching staff.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (30:56):
I've seen guys come through the Ashos organization that have
developed to be All stars, have you, I have They're
playing right now for the Astros. So if it possible
that Joey Lopofdo, with more development over time, could have
been cheaper and developed to be a better player both
at the plate, hard to believe he can be even
too much better in the field. He's been excellent there, Yes,

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he can get better. You understand my point, especially with
question marks in that outfield named Kyle Tucker from a
contractual standpoint, and you and I out rest from a
hill standpoints.

Speaker 8 (31:27):
Why they have their number one prospects still in the system.
And Jacob Melton, he is your future in the outfield.

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(31:53):
of Houston.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Next up continues on or falling.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
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Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah, I think he may.

Speaker 10 (32:11):
We're gonna talk to him as soon as I'm done here,
but I think he's probably gonna travel tomorrow, you know,
but we'll know more after I talk to him. And
you know, if he gets here tomorrow, maybe suit up
sometime on Wednesday or something like that. But uh, you know,
the goal is to hopefully get him here as soon
as we.

Speaker 6 (32:31):
Could wrapping up our one here on Next up Joe
manager Dana Brown or the Astros Kakuchi I'm hearing could
arrive as early as today from what I'm being told
Stanfleet Gordy reacting to the Kokuchi trade. Yes, the Texans
are in training camp. Yes, it is Hall of Fame week.
Aaron Wilson has been nice enough to move his time

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to the eleven o'clock hour. As we continue to talk through,
and I'm just halfway through the clip. I got so
much other stuff I'd like to get to. Nonetheless, practice
number ten over NRG. You all have been excellent with
your time. I'm gonna shut up. Gord is going to
join me and doing so respectfully, and we'll go to
the phone line. Conrad James, you're next up.

Speaker 13 (33:15):
Okay, Hi guys, Okay, what up?

Speaker 5 (33:19):
Okay?

Speaker 13 (33:19):
You know I had to pull over the side of
the road and get my breath gee whizz uh but
uh but I love the banter, I really do. Okay,
if we got host on anything, anything at all, that's
Josh hater. I am so not impressed whatsoever. I can't
believe it's one hundred million dollars for five years. Okay,

(33:40):
moving on to the trade. Okay, both of you have
a good point.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
Okay.

Speaker 13 (33:46):
I remember at the beginning of the season, I said,
I know what happens to the pitching rotation. People get hurt.
You have older pictures, you know, I see the writing
on the wall. I said, we need another starting picture.
But no nobody listens to me. Everybody says, we got
plenty of pictures. Okay, Well, did you want to pay
for it?

Speaker 8 (34:05):
Did you want to open your fucking book go buy
some more season tickets and jerseys to help pay for
it because they were up against luxury.

Speaker 6 (34:11):
I assure you that Jim Crane has enough money to pay.
Go ahead, Conra.

Speaker 13 (34:16):
James, Okay, okay, so we should have started earlier. Now,
I listened to Dana Brown very closely on his press conference,
and he clearly said, he clearly said, you know, this
is a seller's market. All the prices are inflated. They
want too much for the players that we have. This

(34:36):
is the best we can do. Okay, So I'll take
him for two months for three million. And now I'm sorry, Stan,
I'm gonna go with Gorney. Let our staff work with him.
He hasn't put on an ascro uniform. Yet we know
he could be a badass, and maybe our pitching staff

(34:57):
could get him back to his badass status. That's how
I feel about it.

Speaker 6 (35:02):
I appreciate you, Conrade James. I'll hold my commentary. Has
to get more calls in here. John on the northwest side,
what up?

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah man?

Speaker 11 (35:09):
Yeah, listen, listen. He staying, Chris, listen. I've been listening
to the radio since served this morning. He'll keep gone.
Praise on Twitter and people calling in Joe whatever, make
Joe freddie whatever. I liked him. He was a popular
prayer here. Okay, but when you look at his body
work and the other two guys, we ain't got time

(35:33):
to wait on them and see what they what they
have another year two we're trying to win. Today. The
Astros brought up very giddy. They've been bringing up rookies
that in order to make it to this point, we
needed a starting pitcher. Now, this guy right here has
had bad games. He's had good games. Like any pitcher.
He's probably on a good day, he's a three. On

(35:56):
a regular day, he's a Ford. He's a starting pitcher
with the experience. Okay, we needed da Dasco's won in
this deal. And by the way, people that's coloring it
going crazy, ASKO is must be doing something right? Still
in first place?

Speaker 6 (36:13):
John on Northwest Side say the Astros won the deal.
Bad joke, man, what's going.

Speaker 14 (36:21):
On, Josh? You know, well, I'll tell you what I
will say. On the training staff, no team has probably
paid more games in the last seven years than the
Houston Astros have, So we gotta take down in consideration.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
These arms are tired.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
And then on the other thing, I'll.

Speaker 14 (36:41):
Say, you know, these elite teams, the big money spenders, you're.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Lucky if you get one two guys.

Speaker 14 (36:49):
On the twenty five man roster that are actually your
guys from your farm system. I mean, look at the Yankees.
I mean they got one guy maybe on that team
that came through the farms.

Speaker 6 (37:00):
But if you do if you do that for the Yankees,
and I don't think Gordon would disagree, we'd also have
to look at the Braves. The Braves are majority farm system.

Speaker 14 (37:11):
Yeah, yeah, you know, the Brace do a great job
of developing young pitcher that's what they're not. And I
just don't think we had the farm system to get
the players we want to get. I think we were
like in the bottom third farm systems in the league.

Speaker 6 (37:26):
Gordy, I saw us ring, I saw the Astros farm
system appreciate the call being I saw the twenty seventh
is the last thing I saw down there.

Speaker 8 (37:35):
Yeah, And that's what's tough with the you know we
talk about, you know, the Astros trading away. You know
Jake Boss whatever was the ninth best prospect. Yeah, but
like in any other farm system, like even Baltimore's farm system,
he'd be like twenty eight.

Speaker 6 (37:48):
But to the contrary, because of the Astros track record
of guys that come through here being better players than
they were ranked. The thought going into the deadline was,
could somebody else by that would they see value in that?
And I believe Toronto did. I think Toronto see something else?
And Joey Lopofido and Bloss and whoever that was Wagner

(38:11):
like they see something better than the actual rankings.

Speaker 8 (38:15):
I will say the Astros have had a tremendous track
record of the guys they keep, many of them have
panned out and been awesome. And the guys they've sold off, God,
there's very few that have turned into something like they've had.
I want to say one out of every twelve prospects
they've traded away in a trade deadline deal has actually
panned out to be something. There's been a lot of

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dude like they everybody was all about Derek Fisher, this
guy that they had outfielder scored as a pinch runner
in the think there's the World Series or alcs, and
they traded him away a couple of years ago and
he's done nothing. Seth Beer another guy like there were
all these guys that they were very high on, good,
good prospects that as.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Soon as they left this system disappeared.

Speaker 6 (38:56):
Tony and Angleton close us out for our one a.

Speaker 15 (39:00):
Right, fellas. I kind of saw this coming. This this
the Astros have made two fatal mistakes since since the
glory days. One's letting Luneaw go. He should have just
kept even let him guide us through. I can only
imagine what we could have done. Well, you know, we
made it to two World Series one one of them.

(39:21):
But and then letting the pitching coach go. And there's
so many times this year when when you know it
just it wouldn't have gotten to that point. He would
he would have he would have the guy just sits
there and sits there, and since there I wish love Graffito, Well,
he's probably going to an organization that might have a
chance to win.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
I thing gets some pitching.

Speaker 15 (39:43):
It's always about pitching. This organization, our organization is about pitching.
This this move was for right now.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
I don't think we're done.

Speaker 13 (39:49):
I think something's gonna happen before five o'clock.

Speaker 15 (39:52):
But this is all pretty predictable to two very fatal mistakes,
letting Lune now go and letting the pitching coach.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Let me just add let me just add things. Though.

Speaker 8 (40:00):
People bring that up all the time with Brent Strong,
Brent Strom, it has been in Arizona. Look at Arizona's
got the fifth worst ERA in all baseball this year.
Brent Strom was very good in this time here. But
it wasn't like a guy that was irreplaceable. And all
those guys that are still here, Josh Miller, like they
were all under straw me and learned his ways and
all this, and look at what Look at all the

(40:20):
injuries this pitching staff has had, and what Ronel Blanco
has been, what Hunter Brown's become Fromber has been good
Fromber largely this year, Like you've for what they've been
able to do with what they've worked with. You could
argue Josh Miller deserves Assistant Coach of the Year award
for what they've what they've been given to work with,
and what they've been able to do. This pitching staff
has largely kept you afloat. There's a reason why you're

(40:43):
right here and leaving the aos like it's They deserve
a lot of credit.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Everybody loves Strom.

Speaker 8 (40:49):
He was a fan favorite, don't get me wrong, but
to act like the pitching staff just went to hell
when he left. I mean, he won the World Series
in twenty two and you didn't even use all your
best pitching.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
You didn't even need to.

Speaker 6 (41:00):
Kick off the second half, final half of the show. Yeah,
it's kind of like how that works to half stay
in Northfleet me new to the station, new to the
show as stand sportsman on social. My radio partner here
is at Chris Gordy. There's Conneddy McGovern and his perch
doing some funky stuff with a couple computer screens and
there taking your phone calls throughout the show as well.

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Seven one three, two one two five seven ninety I
started the show. If you missed it, you can go
back Sports seven ninety dot com or the Freeheart radio app.
I started the show and it was simple, and I
pissed off some people, like I give a damn. I
told some folks what they could do for me, and
it was not a pleasantry on social media and the
like be nice, which you.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Mean be nice?

Speaker 6 (41:38):
People being disrespectful for sure. Yeah, life is short and
this book turn the other cheek. Oh yeah, I am
turned other cheek, the other one for them to kiss.
So I told people like that's in the bubble on
with Christian Soldier, I kissed my ass. Is that an exodus?
Let's not get into the pleasantries on that je that's
Chris Gordon where I started out anyway, just talking about

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the trade last night, of course, and we'll continue to
take phone calls on it. Seven one three two one
two five seven ninety. It's real simple. None of you
are fans of this trade.

Speaker 11 (42:10):
I lie.

Speaker 6 (42:10):
We got one call of today that said they was
a fan of the trade. To me, it's not just
as simple as the trade. It's not just as simple
as what went out and the player you got back.
Kokuchi is going to do some things that are good
here that he was brought here to do. Fine, he's
a three four five somewhere in there. He's a mid

(42:30):
rotation guy.

Speaker 8 (42:31):
Let me ask you this way, are the Astras a
better team the Big Lee Club as currently constructor are
they a better team today than they were yesterday?

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (42:40):
Because really well yes, yeah, you swap low Perfito for paper.
See what Leon could do. Here's what I'll answer that question.
Is Boss for Kokuchi. So no, it's Bloss and low
Perffito for Kokuchi. And because those were Leon hasn't been
he hasn't played yet, but he's been called up. I
understand fact. I'm talking about people that have actually going

(43:00):
out there and been a part of the Astros playing
game this season. Two dudes left. One dude came, I
do not believe the combination of Bloss and Loperfito is
worse than Kokuchi if we want to look at it
that way, well, like, so let's look at it like
betting lines. Whatever the Astros win lost total was going

(43:22):
to be, it didn't move into plus territory because they
signed Kokuci.

Speaker 8 (43:27):
I think, But but I think, and you like, we'll
cunk O over at Fox. It's my guy, Okay, we'll
Conkle the street out. The Astros are a better team
today than they were yesterday that you say, Kakuci. The
big pitch picture question is what will Jake Bloss, Joey
Loperfito and will Wagger Wagner be down the road. But
today you are better sending out you say, Kakuchi every

(43:50):
five days to pitch than you were with Jake Bloss.
So no offensive Bloss.

Speaker 6 (43:53):
So Kokuchi and four seventy five e r ra is
going to every five days or six days be better
than an ascending Joey Libefido. And if you still trust
Josh So that's we're talking pitching for pitching. No, if
that's not what it is, it's players for a player.

Speaker 8 (44:10):
Well, Joey Libifido is batting two thirty six, and what
I'm he's batting one forty nine a month of July.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
I hear as sending what do you hear? I heard
that was getting what he was getting? Worse?

Speaker 6 (44:18):
Is he get You said he was at one? Now
he's at two two is greater than one.

Speaker 8 (44:22):
Head three fifty when he first got called up in
May and then it slowly dipped. Yeah, he's going to
get fifty in June and then one forty nine in July.

Speaker 6 (44:30):
You and I sat here, Yes, you know his numbers,
his numbers declined. You said he got down to one
something and he was coming back up into the twos.
You just said that.

Speaker 8 (44:39):
No, I said, I said, he got he's he's one
forty nine in July, he got he got worse.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
He batted three.

Speaker 8 (44:45):
Fifty in from he batted two fifty in June and
betted one forty nine.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Okay, I misunderstood that the numbers you brought up.

Speaker 6 (44:51):
If yes, if that's what the numbers are, then he
was declining now as a prospect, and I know your
sources tell you at best he was gonna kind of
take over with do bond spot.

Speaker 8 (45:01):
At some points he was not a top ten prospect.
Don't give a damn bottom line. He's playing games for
his team, but out of necessity, because you were kind
of like, okay, what do we have? But I just like,
right now, if I had to bet on it could
is Pedri Leon gonna give you better numbers than Joey
lot Prafito just gave you. He might like, it's not

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hard to live up to can Leone bet two thirty
six with two home runs. I think Leon's gonna be
a little bit better than that. He's a little bit older.
Maybe he's he's been waiting for his chance.

Speaker 6 (45:30):
And speaking of Leon, I got into it last night
with some people on my social about Pedro Leon. One
of the things bringing it back to this trade is
that somebody's own pissing me off. Yeah, y'all know what
y'all can do for me too. I'm talking about Sassy Lance.
You know what you can do with me.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Don't do that for me.

Speaker 6 (45:49):
I'm gonna do this. I'm a grown man. I'm gonna
manage him. Sassy Lance knows what he can do for
me too. So listen, I'm not holding a bus back
today like it is what it is. Appreciate you listening. Though,
there are several layers and tenthacles to the trade. It's
not just who went out and who came back. It's
not just where like the future versus now. There's also money.
There's also free agency, and there's also I think Dana

(46:12):
Brown was batting into a corner and there are many
that say he panicked. Think about it. This was the
best deal he could go get. Yeah, was like Flarity
Worth in Detroit, yeah, I liked Flarity. I thought, you know,
for people I talked to you yesterday, they were they
were in on Flerty. They were trying to make that happen.
And then what was the report that came out yesterday afternoon?

Speaker 8 (46:35):
The Yankees. We're starting to make a push. The Yankees
are pushing their weight around. We went and got jazz Chism,
and now we're gonna go get Flarity. I mean, they're
pushing their weight around. And they got some good farm
they got a good farm system. I got a lot
of good prospects. So I just I just feel like
Dana was looking at hang on. We could we could
tempt this, We could wait till tomorrow, but it felt

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like if you waited till today, the price is gonna
go up even higher because now you got you got
like you thought you were in desperation mode. These other
teams are gonna be desperation mode. You got Brian Cashman,
Yankee fans standing the dog going add a picture like
Yankees are gonna be They're gonna do something drastic today,
Dodgers might do something drastic. So like in other words, yeah,
you kind of grinning, Barrett, and you took and again,

(47:17):
I stand by it was not a good trade. Okay,
value that part, but it could have been worse today.
If you awaited today, it could have value could have
been even higher.

Speaker 6 (47:26):
I like Keith Low. He's a baseball man, like Chandler Rome.
He works for the Athletic. Keith Low covers the entire league.
That's three players with some sort of upside for a
two month rental of a pitcher who was replacement level
by b War. I'll take that deal every day of
the week, meaning being Toronto James click and whoever the

(47:48):
GM is that the Toronto Blue Jays won the deal.
Keith Law continues. The Blue Jays appeared to be bowing
to the inevitable that trading off their impending free agents,
this time send golf disappointing starter Kakuchi to the Astros
for a three player return that might be the best
value any seller has received so far this deadline. Houston

(48:13):
certainly could use some starting pitching depth, but this might
have made it harder for them to acquire anything else.
Keith Low the Athletic.

Speaker 8 (48:23):
If they want to get Yondi Diaz, they'll go get
Yondi Diaz. They're gonna pay pretty price. What else is
that to pay you still have prospects, you're gonna give
away blue ball?

Speaker 6 (48:32):
No, okay, so like what who what they're running out
stuff to give? Well?

Speaker 1 (48:36):
I mean again, I just I think Melton. They're not trading.

Speaker 8 (48:38):
I think Zach Desenzo, I think aj blue Ball, Luis
Baias they could trade. He's he's a high a prospect.
Bryce Matthews the first round picked from a couple of
years ago. They like him as a as a shortstop.
But I mean, frankly, if Jeremy Penna his age, he
might be he might be short stuff for like five
six years.

Speaker 6 (48:54):
Can we can we stop fast tracking everybody? And I
brought this up last night, and they're going back to
Greg Rajohn, who does a great job for.

Speaker 8 (49:01):
The Cross disappoint It's like he's not gonna play here
shortstop if Jeremy Pene is here in the next flash
six years.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
So like, oh no, I was coming tradable, I was
coming back to Pedro Leon.

Speaker 6 (49:11):
So last night I made the comment this season the
Astros have fast tracked everybody, and I got into semantics
fast tracked versus rushed them the duty. Okay, I'm not
gonna get caught up in that. The bottom line is,
at no point at the start of this season, coming
out of spring training did we think pedro Leon was
gonna suit up for the for the major league roster.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
None of us did.

Speaker 6 (49:31):
So stop that, And I challenged Greg Rajahan, respectfully, fan
of his work, Go find me the article where you
said pedro Leon was gonna play for this team this year.
He wasn't in the plan.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Stop it.

Speaker 6 (49:41):
Well, they have continued to pull people. Jake bloss damn
didn't even get this.

Speaker 8 (49:47):
Sugar Land Dall, he's name though he's been in the
system for years and we've been talking about him for
a minute. None of us thought he was the play
of Majors this year. Well, last year his numbers dipped
and this year's having a good season. But last year
they had every opportunity to bring him up and they didn't.
They brought up you know, cor Jolks was here, like
there were guys who jumped over them, and this year
low Braffido jumped leone. So that just kind of tells

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you what they thought of them. But now on a necessity,
all right, bro, you're twenty six and counting, Like, here's
your chance.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Show what you can do. Let's hear from the people
going to John and Houston. You're next up.

Speaker 16 (50:21):
Hey, guys, Hey, I love yeah, I love your show.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
I just I love it.

Speaker 16 (50:27):
Both of you guys have made great points this morning.
But you know, Stan what had me upset. And I
don't like the trade, but I see the necessity because
we are back into the corner. We got into a
point of desperation because we desperately need another arm and
we're burning out that relief corps. And I've been I've

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been worried about it all season. I've been calling in
about it and the whole thing. But you know, we
had the opportunity to begin the season. I mean in
spring training, I was saying we needed another arm, and
we could have picked up some really good out you know,
at the beginning of the season, and we didn't. And
we waited and and I don't know when Erlander and
mccallars and Garcia are going to be ready, you know,

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it's just nobody knows. But we had to do something,
and so we got back in the corner. We did
this out of desperation. Now, the thing about uh uh,
you know, the the minor league prospect he was, he
was I guess he was the guy that we were
targeting that was going to replace Bragman when Bragman's gone.

(51:29):
And uh, i'd love to see keep Ragman. Who was
the third guy in the trade.

Speaker 8 (51:37):
I'll tell you right now, John, the the honest opinion
is that Zach Dezenzo, who just got called up to
Triple A and and you know was playing very well
down Double A. The thought is he could be the
future at third if Alex Bragman walks this off season. Well,
you competed, but the Zenzo is more the He's the
way higher prospect.

Speaker 16 (51:56):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I mean I've heard I've heard both
and but but uh, you know, we just gave up
some good young players that I hated to seek go
and uh you know we we did this out of
desperation and to get around I mean, it's disappointing, but
we had to do it.

Speaker 8 (52:12):
We had that's I was gonna say, John, your other
option yesterday was not do it. And I know you
want to go back to rewrite history. All we could
do right here, make the trade or not make the trade.
And they made the trade, they got fleeced. And I'm
just acknowledging that the gentle manager got fleeced, and I
don't think it. Wilready say fleece. I'm not an even
trade word. He lost the trade. He got fleece. Major

(52:33):
League Baseball people are saying he got flee But Joey
Lo Braffido, in a pretty good sample size of batting
this year, was batting two thirty six goes on a
strikeout going. Jake bloss was the only one with a
six ninety four e rsh.

Speaker 6 (52:44):
Just question, do you think the guys and let's go
with the go through the names, the bust of all these,
the passings, the Keith lows, do they know more about
baseball than you?

Speaker 11 (52:51):
And a.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Prospects don't know until you know.

Speaker 6 (52:55):
I'm asking a question. Do the opinion passing right? They
got fleet? I didn't see that work for you.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Look it. So it's not whether no, whether it's fleece
or not. It's the point.

Speaker 6 (53:05):
There are baseball people saying you, I just ran you
with Keith lost.

Speaker 8 (53:09):
No, no, no, no doubt. Again here they hear me
out value chart, Yes they did. It was not an
even trade. However, are we gonna saar a cry over
a guy with six ninety four a R and a
guy batting two thirty leaving.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
I'm sorry, are.

Speaker 6 (53:20):
Any good baseball stop right there? Kokuki's not a good player.
Stop that's my point. He was in is not a
good player, And tell me about his made June and July,
but tell me about tell me about his mad How
can we play in April? This is who he faced.
He faced the Dodgers line up with Shoo Tani. He
faced the Yankees not once but twice. He faced the
Kansas City Royals in KC, who've been a really good team.

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And he played Seattle. These are all teams that are
above five hundred playoff teams, and he pitched six innings
of basically one run ball every time out. My question is,
where's that guy? Does that Kokuchi come here? Or does
the guy who struggled the last few weeks.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
In Toronto come here?

Speaker 2 (53:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (53:56):
I'm just saying just to go. Kokuchi sucks. He's gonna suck.
I didn't say he suck. I didn't say this. Say
didn't I said you. I said he has sucked. And
I'm looking recently, his last five starts have been trashed.

Speaker 8 (54:12):
Look at the number, and look at Jake Bloss's last
start in Oakland, Oakland, he gives up five four packs.

Speaker 6 (54:19):
Bloss doesn't play here anymore. I'm talking about a guy
that plays here. Yes, answer the question that a better
picture than Jake Boss's question is for what you gave
up on a two year rental on Kokuchi and what
we've seen from him in the last five starts? Did
Dana Brown get the best he could get for what
he got? The answer is he did the deal he
had to do. I don't think he was alone and

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having to do it. I think Dana Brown wished he
could have done something different. I do think Jim Crane
and the cronies handcuffed him and this is what you got.
The other teams in the league knew that the Astros
was desperate and that's why they couldn't get flairedy. The
Astros aren't winning any more games because Coochi's here.

Speaker 8 (54:58):
Will win more games. Then if they've rolled out Jake
Boss every five days, I don't know. I think the
answer is yeah.

Speaker 6 (55:04):
I don't know. Jake Boss did not win the game here.
You think the answer is yes. I got a sample
size and said Cookuchi in some regard has been worse
than Boss.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Well, anything.

Speaker 6 (55:12):
Now, there are some outings. When you go look at
Kokuchi's game log.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
There are some you don't even get out of the
fourth inning in that you're making this.

Speaker 8 (55:21):
It's not just Boss, it's bloss and low Perffito and
has sucked the last month.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
He's been terrible.

Speaker 6 (55:27):
Then they tried tone will and so then you're telling
me a spoter doesn't know what he's doing because the
spot has played.

Speaker 8 (55:33):
Him and they were giving him a chance. But he
was not your best option. He was not gonna be benched.
He wasn't playing every day. Let's go to break. Let's
take these calls. Chris, who is that?

Speaker 6 (55:43):
Chris and Jersey Village, Tom Downtown, Chris and sugar LANDSAC
and Conroe. Y'all hod tight going in now, I shut up.
We'll let y'all talk on the other side. Home of
the Strolls. Let you there, KB and me talk to
seven ninety. Thank you for having us preset number one
in your automobiles your home in Houston Sports right here
on seven Fleet. Gordy Connedy McGovern going straight to the
phone line, sold you wheat hush for a while. Chris

(56:06):
and Jersey Village. Dana Brown did a deal last night thoughts.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Yes, sir, so I'm gonna get right on that right now.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
But the first thing I want to say is, guys,
we got to bring the Easton Prins back to being
a closer.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
I give up on hater. He just let him switch spots.
I'll drop on that one.

Speaker 8 (56:22):
A lot of money, A lot of money, Brober number two.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
When you were talking about Cocucci's I mean, you know,
it kind of does not like you're saying he's gonna
come here and suck. You do got to realize that
Jake Bloss had three games, zero one.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
He lost one game. He only he only struck out
eleven people.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Uh, you got Joe li Pffido, he had US one
hundred and six had bats, he only had two home
runs sixteen RBIs.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
So you give that up.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Plus the Wagner Kid for Kakuchie with one hundred and
fifty six games, thirty six for forty six records, strikeouts
seven sixty one and this year he has one hundred
and thirty so far.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Not a bad deal if you look at it, if
you're looking at enough, it's not a bad deal. Hold on.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
There one more thing I like Singleton. I like Singleton,
but we got to go for Yandy Diaz, and I
hope they do it, and there is there's.

Speaker 6 (57:11):
A room, go to get it real quick. Chris and
Jersey Village. I know you listen, I respond to You's
just like going to get him the Yandy news. Yeah,
that was from John Hayman this morning.

Speaker 8 (57:20):
He said the Yankees and Astros among teams still considering
yond Diaz pirates, maybe with an outside chance. But uh
then he went on to say Yankees interested in He
listened about a bunch of other guys. So again, this
is this is where they're they're calling. They're telling Tampa,
we're interested. Tampa's saying what you got, They're saying, we

(57:40):
got this in this. But then Tampa's likely going yeah,
but the Yankees are offering this, so then you gotta go.
If you're Dana Brown, well we don't want to give up.

Speaker 11 (57:48):
More, you know.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
So it's the we'll see what happens.

Speaker 8 (57:50):
But I just feel like I saw somebody said this morning,
They're like, I mean, you're going all in on Kakuchi.
Let's just go all in on the let's we're all
in on twenty twenty Four's just to try.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
To win the word. Let's go on.

Speaker 6 (58:02):
Now we're all in on twenty twenty four, but to
start the season, we weren't all in on twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
They were no they I mean, I mean they got hurt.

Speaker 6 (58:08):
I'm gonna be repetitive and you could have added arm
insurance to not be in this position. But that's neither
hed of that. I just want to add one other
thing real quick before we come to Chris and Sugarland.
If Jake Bloss has nothing of value, and if Joey
Lopofito has nothing have value, let me let me get
it out.

Speaker 8 (58:28):
If they have no value, Chris just called it. Chris
just called him, saying it different things here. Listen, you
can't call you what sucked? Now you who are now
me what you're arguing with?

Speaker 6 (58:42):
You're saying if I could forget my phone out, since
you don't know what I was gonna say. If Jake
Bloss and Joey Loo and Will Wagner have no value,
then won't have no value?

Speaker 8 (58:54):
Finished my Chris just said they sucked. Chris, he suck
in twenty twenty four. I'm talking as they are. Thought
of his prospects that could pan into some.

Speaker 6 (59:05):
Value there there is why this Toronto want them because
they're same, Because don't want them are the same reasons
that the Astros would want to keep them. But the
Astros are trying to win right now. So the thought is,
can we upgrade our team to win right now? Sometimes
sometimes I'm talking you want the Astros to win now.
Sometimes I'm talking to you you want them to keep

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the powdered driver. Well that's the idea. Balance, Just be consistent.
But it's both staying that I've been saying. It's been both.
So now all of a sudden we get pushed into
a corner and now the emphasis is on going to
twenty four.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
I was talking about going all in on twenty.

Speaker 6 (59:40):
Four when James, when Jim Crane said the window will
always be open to start the season. It's just interesting
how the narrative shifts and the goldpost moves based on
who comes in and who leads.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
No, it's both can be true.

Speaker 8 (59:52):
We like Joeylo Praffido, He's got a high upside, but
right now joey O Prafido was sucking at the plate.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
So again crying over losing him. Okay, will he become
a great player?

Speaker 8 (01:00:01):
We don't know, but I gotta win now, I got,
I got, I got all my chips in on this year.
Let's go christ and Sugar Lamb, Chris, you.

Speaker 7 (01:00:11):
Would us, Hey, guys, yes, so so let's analyze this
try real quick. We've got a guy for ten starts
even to the Astros make the playoffs. This guy's not
even guaranteed to be a starter in the playoffs if
everybody gets healthy. He's not even a guarantee.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Right, That's what Stands been preaching. Get insurance. He's not.

Speaker 7 (01:00:33):
Now there, Let let me finish, let me finish. So
you're guaranteed this guy ten starts. You don't think the
bullpen could have pieced together five starts five wins. This
guy's gonna probably get four wins or five wins for
the Astros.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
And that's it.

Speaker 7 (01:00:51):
And in the future. I'm looking at the future just
as well.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
You gave up three good prospects. You don't know what.

Speaker 7 (01:00:57):
Joey's gonna do. You don't know what Wagoner's gonna do.
We've lost some prospects that we've traded that turned out
to be okay. Jose turned out to be okay. Yeah,
he's okay, He's Okay, he's not an All Star, but
he's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
But but has it? Has it hurt the Astros losing
Jose Sirio? All right, so.

Speaker 6 (01:01:20):
I appreciate the call, Chris. In two years, I saw
this post it last night. In two years, Dana Brown
has traded Drew Gilbert, Ryan Clifford, Corey Lee, Jake Bloss,
Joey Lopofido, and Will Wagner four Verlanda last year and
this year Kendall Graveman, both of those guys on the

(01:01:40):
I L and Kakuchie and.

Speaker 8 (01:01:44):
And who who of those groups is established and has
done something of relevance the guys you got. I mean,
that's the thing is, we've got to keep this window open.

Speaker 6 (01:01:53):
If this was a trade for JV, I was totally okay,
it hurt, but I was totally fine with Drew Gilbert
and Ryan Clifford leaving. Especially we get JV for two years,
I'm like, bet, I'm here for that. You get in
for a last year all of this year, and we'll
see what happens next year. Coming into that trade. Cool,
that's not what you got. Kakuchi's not JV.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
No, he's not.

Speaker 8 (01:02:13):
But can he be a serviceable three or four is
the question. The other part of this that we're not
bringing up to is he is going to help you.
Hopefully he goes out there and performs at least decent.
The idea is you can then skip a start for Aarraghetti.
At some point, you can skip a start for Hunter Brown.
That's the whole motive behind this move, too, is also
to be able to help these guys who are taxed.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
As much as they've been taxed.

Speaker 6 (01:02:35):
No one's disputing their tax no one's disputing that the
astros needed and on, Dana Brown knew it. I knew it,
You knew it, people at the ball park knew it,
the folks that call into the show, everybody knew it
was going to be expensive to go get it. On
the conversation is this is the best we could get,
and this is what has cost us to go get it.

(01:02:57):
And Dana Brown didn't do this on his own, I
honestly believe, and I don't have any intaeil other than
what's being reported the same stuff y'all read. I believe
Dana Brown would have done this differently had it been
had he had his brothers, if he was in control,
he would have done something. Dana Brown has a boss
just like I do. Would he have done I don't know.

(01:03:17):
We get to ask him that at some point. I
think he's all with Sean Salisbury tomorrow. I would love
for Sean and Brian to ask him, what would you
do this again? Meaning start it all over? Would you
do the same thing you did again? And is this
the best you could do?

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Now?

Speaker 6 (01:03:30):
We may never know the truth even when you ask
the man the question, because he's got an organization that
he's responsible and accountable to. You cannot tell me that
Dana Brown laid his hand on the pillow last night
and he felt warm and fuzzy. Because we have Kokuchi.
You cannot tell me that does Kokuchi bring some good
things to Houston? Sure will I give him benefit of

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the doubt and allow him in the National's uniform to
go out damn pitch. Absolutely, he was an All Star
in twenty twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
So I read.

Speaker 6 (01:04:00):
Sleeps thirteen or fourteen hours wasting on Maybe if you
woke up a little sooner. He went the have a
four cent five?

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
You all right? All right?

Speaker 6 (01:04:05):
Let's come back phones lit kylele Tom Zach Philippe or
Felipe sorry, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Half an hour from now, we'll wrap up.

Speaker 6 (01:04:14):
Get you to Matt Thomas, Rossville, Matt Thomas Show, Sports
Talks seven ninety. But we still do celebrate, even in
defeat last night at the hands of Paul Skin in
the Pittsburgh Pirates.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
My man Josh Hayter got a loss.

Speaker 6 (01:04:28):
Can't believe Chapman came out of the bullpen and got
a win for the Pirates. Last night, Astros lose five
to three. Not really tripping why because the marin is
lost as well. Astro's on the two game losing streak,
Seattle on the one game losing streak by percentage points.
Houston remains in the lead for the division. The conversation

(01:04:50):
around the city last night into this morning, it'll be
the conversation throughout the course of the afternoon, and it'll
be some buzz a mini ma Park tonight. You know,
we'll hear from Guocie at some point. Sounds like you
could get to the city as early as today. Just
speak to a translator just for the record. Yeah, Hey, al, hush,
Tom and downtown. I promise I'll let y'all talk.

Speaker 12 (01:05:11):
Go ahead, Tom, you guys are killing it today. Man,
Let me get right to it, guys. On May twenty sixth,
the Astros were twelve and twenty four, and I called
the Morning Show, and then I called you, guys, and
I was ready to jump off minute May Park.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
I was ready to give up on it.

Speaker 12 (01:05:29):
Chris Gordy, you talked me away from the edge of
the roof, you said, and made me believe how good
this team could still be. Let's see how good they've
been since twelve and twenty four. On the twenty sixth
of May, they've gone forty three and twenty seven.

Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
Think about that.

Speaker 12 (01:05:45):
There're sixteen games over five hundred since then, making up
twelve games under five hundred. So this penance come and
matched anything that any one of the last seven year
teams have done. If not, they've gone over that. And
I'm talking about teams that won one hundred and three games,
one hundred and seven, one hundred and six. This run

(01:06:06):
that they've gone on has been as good as any
one of the runs that those teams have had. Now,
how'men saying that they needed to get a pitcher. I
know Kakuchi is not the next coming of Jay Z.
He's not going to give him that kind of bump,
but he will give them a bump. They're better than
the Rangers. They're better than the Mariners. Now the Mariners

(01:06:27):
help themselves. Turner's an old guy, but he can hit,
and he's a clutch hitter. He's going to help them.
But I still think they're good enough to win the division.
Hopefully Kokuchi will get it together. Sometimes guys get traded
and they get a bump. It just comes. It happens.
They need him to give them a few, you know,

(01:06:49):
a few good starts, eat up some innings until maybe
we can.

Speaker 11 (01:06:52):
Get one of those other guys back.

Speaker 12 (01:06:54):
So you know, it's a lateral move. Guys, I agree
with you. I'll miss till we low profito. But with
all the outfielders they have now, he was the only
guy that could get that anything because he's young, he's
got potential, but he's not any better or any worse
than any of the other four outfielders they currently have.

(01:07:16):
So they did get a lateral move here. I think
it's gonna make them a better team than his. They
didn't get Cukuci, but time will tell.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Appreciate you Tom and Downtown.

Speaker 8 (01:07:27):
Yeah, that's the thing was you were gonna you relying
on Jake Bloss like he could have developed. But we
don't have time to sit and wait for you to develop.
Let's go get a known. We know what Kakuchi is.
He's not a cy young but he's a back end
rotation guy. We know what we're getting from him. You know,
I wanted to bring this up too. Remember Verlander when
they traded for him in seventeen. I'm not comparing it

(01:07:48):
to Verlander's obviously a Hall of Famer and all this,
But in twenty seventeen when they trade formed from Detroit,
Verlander was ten and eight with a three eighty two ERA.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Good season.

Speaker 8 (01:08:00):
But he got here and if five starts on five
and zero with a one oh six e R, he
was fantastic. He was like best pitcher in baseball when
he got here. So let's see, he got with a
competitive team. The Tigers were going nowhere when he when
those last couple of years there, he came here, got
with the World Series caliber team and they go win
the World Series. How does Kakuchie respond now with a

(01:08:20):
really good team around him, does he pitch better?

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
I don't know, that's the hope.

Speaker 6 (01:08:27):
Back to the phone lines, we go guys waiting for
a while, Zach and Conroe. Good evening, good evening, Good lord,
good morning.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Hey guys.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
I know the Astros have leadership in the locker room
and they can overcome distractions. There's a guy out in
Mexico right now that brings a little baggage. But we
could have got him for pennies on the dollar. My
question is why didn't we go grab Trevor Bauer.

Speaker 6 (01:08:50):
Well you know Whyzach. Clearly it's somebody, Zach. Trevor Bower
makes some people over there me in May Park uncomfortable,
or he would be here.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Who that person is.

Speaker 8 (01:09:03):
I don't know every baseball park in baseball, the entire
major lead. I don't give it about the real one
is giving him a chance?

Speaker 6 (01:09:09):
To your point, I care about Mini Ma Park, Okay,
But I tell you like, he makes somebody uncomfortable for
some reason.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
He's toxic.

Speaker 6 (01:09:15):
The last I saw now, he was playing in Asia
somewhere the last time I saw it. Then he went
to Mexico this year or something like that. The numbers
work good, Yeah, that's Mexico, can't I mean, like Zach,
I don't, I mean you're answering your own question. Then
I don't think Dana Brown was willing to put his
neck on the line for Trevor Bauer.

Speaker 8 (01:09:36):
But that's the thing, Thatskers aren't the only team that
needs hitching. Every other team in baseball has will fully
you in the last couple of years said no to
Trevor Bauer.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
So that tells y' all you need to know right there,
he's toxic. Phileap in Mini May Park. What's up? Man, Hey,
good morning guys. First thing you know, I've been.

Speaker 17 (01:09:54):
You know, I listened to Sports Talk all day, so
they're doing a great show from sixty to six p
I've been.

Speaker 15 (01:09:59):
I'm pretty sure I'm going to hand all this trade
talk all day.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
I like the banster.

Speaker 17 (01:10:03):
It got me ribbed up, saying you going on, Chris
going off, love it, love it, y'all keep it up.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Well they get a doctor in here to check on
him earlier.

Speaker 11 (01:10:09):
Oh man, Rose, I'm high because.

Speaker 6 (01:10:12):
I'm listening to people last night when the trade was announced.
People hit me on social immediately staying make it make sense.
Somebody hit me on social this morning, thank you staying
for the fire and the passion, because it's exactly how
I feel.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
I just can't call in. So I do.

Speaker 6 (01:10:27):
Whether y'all agree or disagree those of you that I
hate us, there are people that agree and feel what
I'm feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Go ahead, you good for of course. Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:10:36):
So I agree with both of y'all and I disagree
with both y'all same time on some points of Kakuchi
is not a name that's like All Star caliber, you know,
like big name face of the franchise type name. But
he is a guy that we do need, that we
can use because we're not sure we're gonna get mcclors.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
I'm done with the guy like he did for the team.

Speaker 17 (01:10:57):
You know, time is gone, Berliner, he's getting up in age.
We're not sure if you're gonna continue playing this year
or playing in baseball next year.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Garcia, It's an if, a big if.

Speaker 17 (01:11:08):
So we do have a main major league caliber pitcher
who by numbers does not seem like, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Man, this guy's lights out.

Speaker 17 (01:11:15):
He's you know, gonna be the cy young But I'm
pretty sure for him coming down to us, he's gonna
you know, he's gonna get to our our pitching staff
and they're gonna be able to probably help him out more,
especially with the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Also defense, that we have behind him for the prospects.

Speaker 17 (01:11:31):
I always think prospects are there to build the team
for now, the major league team. So we we we
We can't say, oh, we want to win a championship
in twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six, twenty seven.

Speaker 6 (01:11:43):
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understand your sentiment. The astros for our system known to
have studs come through there, Gordon. And when you're thinking
about having studly performance in your own right, fellas, it's
that time a year football approaching fast. We got a
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Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
This this next stuff on sports sucks. You know his stuff.

Speaker 9 (01:13:32):
He has always been really good. What I'm excited about
is just to get in with our pitching department and
and make some make some adjustments to you know how
he pitches. You know how how he can be more efficient.
But the stuff is is really good. It's plus stuff.
He's been successful in the East there for a while

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so you know, we are really excited to have.

Speaker 6 (01:13:58):
That skip of Joey spot saying welcome to Houston, Kakuchie.
It's unfortunate that Joey Lopafito, Gordy. They he said it
was an emotional departure and it's part of the business. Guys,
get dealt it happens. He loves Houston, he said, he
feels like this is home. He's been lucky to be here.
All of the things that we know guys say about

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being in the organization and being here all the best
sound in America.

Speaker 8 (01:14:24):
I was emotional watching Joey god for three or three
stakeouts on Sunday, So you know you are insufferable.

Speaker 6 (01:14:29):
I mean, he played better. He wouldn't be traded. I'm
gonna leave that alone. Let's get ready to close out
the show. Friend of the station, Friend of the show,
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Aaron Wilson over at the Houston Methodist Training Center as

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the Texans wrapped up the tenth practice of this training camp. Aaron,
good morning to you, sir. How goes it? Are you hydrated?
You're comfortable now.

Speaker 5 (01:14:59):
Good morning. Yes, I've had some water and I feel good.
We're done with all of our press conferences, which included
Davis Mills, Kaylin Bullock, and John Metchi the Third as
well as of course head coach Dinika Rance.

Speaker 6 (01:15:14):
All Right, the story is, and we're pressed for time.
We really all on this one, but I want to
make sure that you get in. Thank you for joining us.
Denico Audrey, thought to be a starter on this team,
has been suspended six games. What can you tell us?
What's going to be the ramifications here?

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
All right?

Speaker 5 (01:15:33):
From what happened. His story is that he took something
that he didn't know was a banned substance. But the
NFL policy is very hard and fast. You are responsible
for everything you put into your body, so you need
to investigate anything that you take and make sure that
it's allowed, you know, to be ingested. So it is
your fault, no one else is. If you have a

(01:15:57):
positive test, it's not like you know, they spiked your
thing or something. But you know, he's apologized, he's very contrite.
He's at practice but not practice thing. Tamiko Ryans was
supportive of him. They said they stand behind him. As
an organization, and obviously you know he's made his apologies
and he's yeah, he's let the team down. This is
a it's a negative. It's six games. It's going to

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cost him about nearly one point eight million dollars, and
if they wanted to, they could avoid his guarantees, they
could try to take back some of the bonus. I
don't think they're gonna play hardball like that, but it's
my understanding that they won't. But it's a tough look
for him, and he's an excellent football player. When you
don't have him out there, you really you're missing something

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because he's a double digit sack guy. He's got a
lot of moves, he's a very tough guy. He's an
outstanding football player. So you do lose something, they may
be deep enough to sustain that for six weeks With
Mario Edwards Junior. He's also had a very good camp,
so he steps in. He's now first on the depth chart,

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and it's probably what it winds up being is somebody
that was not going to make the team will make
the team now, and that could be one of the ends,
it could be one of the tackles, whatever combination they
try to go with for the best d line, but
it does impact them. That was that third rusher where
you've got you know, Will Anderson would potentially be double
digit sacks obvious to Neil hundred one of the most

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prolific pass rushers, and then you had a third so
you know someone has to step up. Mario Edwards, Derek Barnett,
you know, you just see something. You know, maybe Jerry
Hughes at age thirty five still got something and still
gets to the quarterback. He had three sacks last year,
a lot of sacks the year before. So yeah, it
creates an early challenge for them. They've been aware of

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it for a long time. Obviously, he went through the
appeal process and it didn't work out. The suspension stands.
It is final, and you know he can sue the
pharmacy or whatever that's you know, basically on him. Yea,
that doesn't you know, familiar Germaine to the topic at hand,
which is how the detectans adjust. I think they have

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a good enough defense that this is not like oh
Season's rooms. But yeah, not good. I mean it, and
it's a bad look. It's one of those things, even
if it's a mistake it's a bad mistake to make.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
And I players ultimately held responsible for what goes in
your body. That just is what it is.

Speaker 6 (01:18:23):
Do players, Yeah, players fall circumstance to or fall victims
to circumstance where sometimes the pharmacies due, or the chefs
do or the nutrition is due, make mistakes and it
ends up costing the player. Cutting you short on purpose
just because again I'm looking at the clock. Just give
me real quick an observation or two from practice today.

Speaker 5 (01:18:42):
We need to be out in like a minute, hot day,
sweltering thought.

Speaker 7 (01:18:47):
They got some good work.

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
They practice is the longest and hottest practice they've had.
Did have Brevin Jordan I finished the practice. Nico Collins
had to go into the ice box that they have
next to the field to cool off a little bit.
It seems okay, didn't finish. I'm sure he's fine. And
then we still, you know, they're missing guys and they
have a new injury. Charlie Heck injured his foot and

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so they are thinner now on tackle depth. They're gonna
do further testing today to see how long Charlie will
be out. And the good news Titus Howard was able
to practice after getting checked out and finishing the other practice,
so he's okay. And then last thing I would say,
even though they made no announcements, he said, the young

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guys are gonna play. I agree with that. I think
we won't see c J. Stroud and a bunch of
these other guys. I don't think it's a coincience that
Davis Mills addressed the media today. I think we'll see
Davis Mills play extensively against the Chicago Bears, and I
look for this to be something of a rookie Bowl,
backup bowl Thursday night for football Hall of Fame game.

(01:19:50):
Absolutely no reason to play c J. Stroud or any
of these main guys, but I do expect to see
Kamari last year and Helen Bullock. I think some of
those young players in need.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
To play, no doubt about it.

Speaker 6 (01:20:03):
Aaron Wilson, our Texans and NFL insider here Sports Talk
seven ninety from the Houston Methods Training Center, where the
Texans wrapped up practice about an hour ago. Thank you
so much, Aaron, say, travels up to Ohio and we'll
certainly look to hear from you up there as we
approach Hall of Fame game. Follow him, want you Houston
at Aaron Wilson underscore NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
We get ready to get up out of here.

Speaker 6 (01:20:25):
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Peace to you, go Stoke