John empties out the Middlekauff Weekend Mailbag and answers listener questions on how to break up with a long term girlfriend, if Sean Payton’s offseason o-line overpays are cause for larger concern, if an NFL team will sign punter Matt Araiza after his exoneration for sexual assault, if the Vikings should be the NFC North favorites, if the Chiefs already know who will succeed Andy Reid, and if Mark Davis is the next owner the NFL’s hit list after bouncing Dan Snyder.
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The volume What is going on Everybody? John Middlecock Three
and Out podcast. This is the weekend mailbag edition at
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I'll play a little golf. I walked, got a little
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sweat in, just drove home. Listen to Draymond talk about
losing the series and how he wants to stay with
the Warriors because he's smart, he knows. We talk about
this a lot in football. There is so much value
in just winning over and over and over again and
being a champion and ultimately taking a little less at
that level, whether it's the NBA or the NFL, to
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maintain winning sets you up for life when you already
have a ton of money. Because we love winners in
this country, especially when it comes to our athletes, especially
when they're introduced as champions the rest of their life
and part of you know, championship. You know, programs you're
seeing it right now with Kelsey and Mahomes. They will
be viewed, especially if they win another one. Three four
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time Super Bowl champion obviously Tom and Gronk and Edelman,
so tough al for US Warriors people. Obviously Draymond played.
I hate the Lakers. I'm not even gonna lie despise them.
You know, as I've gotten older, I don't really hate
that many teams like I did when I was a kid.
My fandom is so much different now, especially as a
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degenerate gambler. I just really root for people like gamble on.
You know. I don't even hate the Dodgers anymore because
I don't care that much about the Giants like I
used to. The Lakers are the only team when I
see I just root for them to lose. I would
root if Lebron was on the team. I did when
Kobe was on the team. I love Shack and I
rooted for him to lose back in his heyday. So
it just it pains me to say Nuggets and five, baby,
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So promo code John. Okay, let's start with this question.
Seems kind of serious. How would you go about breaking
up with a girl who you've been with for about
three years? She didn't do anything bad to me. In fact,
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she's great. I have no complaints about her whatsoever. But
I just kind of know I don't see myself marrying her.
It sounds bad, but she's not my type looks wise,
and I'm not in love with her never really was,
despite the fact that she's been great to me. I
know she'd be a great wife and mother someday too.
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Am I being a jackass for even thinking about breaking
up with her? Am I being too shallow because I'm
putting too much emphasis on looks. Would love to get
some advice on this. If you're willing, well a couple
of things here. You don't find her attractive. You've been
dating her for three years, Like, wasn't there a point?
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I'm sure you live with her, Like, have you just
been living with her and you do not like her.
It's one thing to not be in love with someone,
it's another thing to like I don't find her attractive
at all, So that seems a little crazy to me.
Now listen, full disclosure, I'm not great at breaking up
with anybody, and I'm not acting like I'm Brad Pitt
here breaking up with people left and right. I've been.
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I've had a throne in my face too. It's hard
because in business I can be very I'm sure many
people listening. You know. Once you the older you get,
when it comes to money, you just kind of get
like the faster you get numb to it. When deals,
you just some people can say like, oh, you're an asshole. Now,
it's just business, right, But with personal relationships, especially with
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a girlfriend, a wife, a fiance, you know, it's tough
because it's the ultimate level if she is in love
with you, breaking up with someone where there's no way
for you not to be the complete asshole dick because
people will be like, what didn't see this coming? If
no one knows you're thinking like this and you've been
living with her, so it's going to be difficult. That
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being said, if you are not in love with her
and you do not want to have children with her,
you got to just have some balls and do it.
It's going to suck. I would imagine, you know, her
family friend carry over. It's there's no way around it.
It's going to be a disaster whenever you I don't
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have a great advice on how to muster up the courage,
you know, over dinner. I don't think there's a right time.
I don't think there's a wrong time to do it.
I would probably obviously do it in a one on
one situation, preferably probably not drinking, though you might need,
you know, a shot or two to kind of get
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some courage. But you know, you're in a tough spot
that you've created because you've gone with this forever. But
you can't there's no reason to keep this going if
this is how you feel, and I think this the
reality is, it's life, you know. I mean a lot
of people find themselves in these situations where you have
a lot of respect for the other person. You just
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you know, you say you're not attracted to her. That's
you know, I've been in situations where I'm attracted. It's
just like it's not going to work long term for
whatever reason. And it's it's difficult. But the longer it goes,
the harder it gets to, you know, go your separate
ways because someone has to. You know, there's clearly in
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this position it sounds like don't know her, she likes
you more than you like her. But uh yeah, good luck,
but you got to do it. You don't have a choice.
I'm fifty five enjoyed Instagram just to DM you keep
up the good work, lifetime Bronco fan. And I'm concerned
that Sean Payton brought the physical irresponsibility had in New
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Orleans with him to the Broncos. He already overpaid two
offensive linemen, which we needed, and the Broncos don't have
their second or third round draft choice next year for
a team that needs two new starters from that draft?
Am I overthinking things? Should I be concerned? I've watched
every snap Mike mcglinchy's ever taken. I interviewed him years ago.
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He's a good guy. People like him. He's just a
Midwestern topway. He's actually from Philly. He's just a tough guy,
right big, you know, looks the part. Notre Dame in theory,
a top ten pick in theory. He should just be
a solid starter. The problem is his athleticism is limited.
And I also think there gets to a point for
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an offensive tackle if you want to get nerdy scouting
wise or coaching wise, six ' nine is just too tall.
And when you're six ' nine and you're not fluid
and athletic enough, he just struggles against big time pass rushers.
The reality is in the NFL in twenty twenty three,
most teams have really good pass rushers. At minimum they
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have won. Several teams have multiple So when you play,
you know you can put Chris Jones over him. You
can obviously put Joey Bosa over him. You can put
Max Crosby over him. McGlinchey has at a huge, huge
disadvantage in all of those matchups because he just can't
bend His foot quickness is not great. He's a good
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run player. He's a guy that can just be a
starter for you. Like he has been for the Niners
for whatever five years, and you know he went to
was part of a ton of playoff wins. But to
pay him fifty five million dollars or fifty whatever they
gave guaranteed, I'm sorry, I that was the craziest contract
of the offseason. They also signed that guard was the
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guard from the Ravens. I forget his name off the
top of my head. Not super locked into like mid
round guards. But when that happened, I text around and
I got a lot of people go, yeah, I don't
really see it now. He got a lot less money
than mcglinchy, if memory served me correct, he got like
twenty five million guaranteed. But so you're guaranteeing eighty plus
million dollars. So those two guys, I think, if you
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just polled the league, it's a lot of money for
two guys that you know, in a perfect world, the
forty nine ers were always trying to replace McGlinchey. And
this is like I think what Sean Payton would say, Well,
they couldn't and they were fine with him. Well, true,
but he was making you know, five six million dollars.
There's a difference once you start paying him that much money,
especially when you're paying your quarterback that much money. So
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once you pay a guy that Glinchy is who he
is as a player, Like he's well established. Whether he
was going to make ten dollars next year or ten
million dollars, his play would not change, Like, he's not
going to improve just because you paid him money. So
his limitations given your division specifically, I don't even have
your schedule up, but just know how good the pass
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rushers are in your division. That would make me a
little nervous. That would make me a little nervous. But
this is what happens when coaches get a lot of juice.
You know, I was wrong on my prediction that George
Peyton would be fired. You know, I'm sitting here May thirteenth.
He hasn't been relieved of his duties, so maybe they
are working together. But we all know when you pay
a coach eighteen million dollars a year, Like, we know
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who pulled the trigger on that one, right, that was
the head coach. Love the show. Been listening to a
little for a little over a year. I'm wondering what
your opinion is on the whole Matt Ariza situation and
if you think an NFL team is going to sign him.
I don't hear anyone coming out and reporting on it
at all, even though they were so quick to bury him.
I talked about it on Friday's podcast that if you're
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waiting for the media to apologize and say they screwed up,
we all know that does not happen. That is not
their emma. They bury you and if they're wrong, they
just move on. You know, this is the situation here.
This is what's fucked about this situation is the dude
clearly wasn't there, He had nothing to do with it.
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Yet his career, I don't want to say ruined because
it's not over, but clearly derailed. And I saw some
people writing and I don't even know if it's necessarily
not true bringing him in even though he's innocent. You know,
he's a punter. It's like, do you even want to
deal with that. Now, I'd be lying if I said
I knew anything about him punting beside all the hype
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when he was in college, and then when he got
to the Bills, he was hitting like ninety yard punts.
I mean, I think legitimately hit like an eighty two
yard punt. So I would assume he gets a shot.
I would assume. Now I don't have I just read
one ESPN article, because you know, he clearly wasn't part
of the gang rape. But you know, I remember the Bills,
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and I just think I'm reiterating what I said a
couple days ago. They did not cut him because they
knew he was guilty. They, like you and I and
like everyone in the media, had no clue. They strictly
cut him because it wasn't worth it for them given
his position, to risk him not telling the truth and
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being guilty. Right, if he had been a star pass rusher,
if he had been a quarterback an offensive tackle, they
would not have cut him. Now, they might have, you know,
put him on ice, you know, and done that, you know,
commissioner's exemp list or whatever teams can do, like just
you know, and definitely suspended. But we're not cutting you
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done something like that, but they would not have cut
him the punter fair not And this is I'm not
trying to take a shot as specialists here, but in
theory it's for one of the most replaceable positions on
the team. I'd argue it's easier, way easier to find,
you know, a punter than it is a reliable kicker.
That being said, I mean he clearly got royally railroaded.
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I wanted to ask you about your progression as a
podcaster over the years. I've listened to some of your
older stuff and you sound somewhat different in terms of
your vocal pitches in popular phrases. I know Colin is
certain hyperbolic words that he leans on. Big, smart, clever.
They can captivate an audience. There's some psychology psychology to it.
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It's a craft and an art, just like anything else.
And it's apparent that you work hard on it too.
Just curious about your methods and your processes over the
years as you continue to evolve. Appreciate you ps. I
think the mailbag is one of the best things you do.
Fascinating question. Uh, you know, you ask a question like
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I'm like a professional golfer, NBA player, or something like
how do you evolve every year? I think, like most businesses,
the more you do things, the more comfortable you get.
Even though talking is something I'm very comfortable at doing
before I ever did it for quote unquote living, it's weird.
Like today I played golf with a couple guys that
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I don't know that well though I know I'm a
little bit and we started getting serious. Like they looked
at me and they say, what do you do again?
And when you say you're a podcaster or they just
they want to know, like how did you come about this?
And I think I've talked about this before in you know,
previous episodes that not that I was insecure. It's just
a weird thing, like what do you do, right, I'm
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a sales guy, you know, I own a restaurant, you know,
I whatever. It's weird just saying I'm a podcaster because
you kind of you know what, like, yeah, I'm a podcaster.
But I think part of it is just I don't know,
it's natural maturation. My style in terms of like getting
ready for the show hasn't changed. You know. I write
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down stuff, whether it's reading or see things on the
Internet that excite me and I want to talk about
and I want to dive into or I hear other
people talk about on podcasts that are like, Oh, that's
that's a topic I want to touch on. And I
kind of write out, you know, the angle I want
to have on it. You know, probably like less than
a paragraph on a notepad, and I kind of I
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block it into like five or six segments for the show,
and I just kind of I write. I don't like
write out what I'm going to say. I just write
out some key thoughts, you know, all my different segments,
and then I kind of go from there. I remember
watching Colin do it. He has all these different papers
and he just like writes kind of keywords. Colin's really smart.
I mean, Colin's been doing this for a long time.
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I think he's, you know, the greatest sports talk definitely
the most unique sports talk radio host in the history
of the business. You know, you could say best sports
talk you know Jim Rome, what he meant to the
business in the late nineties. You know Dan Patrick, you know,
many would argue to be right there with Colin. Dan's
an incredible interviewer. I don't think anyone can have a
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unique angle on a game, on a player, and honestly,
it's not even close like Colin. You know, if you
say Dan Patrick is the best interview in the interviewer
in the space, historically, you would say Colin's takes are
by far the most unique. So I, you know, I
don't do many interviews on this show. Need to bang
out some for the summer so I can go on vacation.
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But in part of my mindset on that, and it
probably like I could do an interview if I get
famous people, but I feel like a lot of shows
do that. You know. I want people to come to
the show to hear me in my thoughts, and this
isn't a three hour podcast, right, And I just try
to be I try to be when I say different,
I just try to be myself. So I just try
to be authentically me. And one thing I think that
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really helps me is like I didn't go to journalism school.
I don't even like the media. I just try to
talk like I do to my friends, which have normal
people jobs, right, that work in construction, that are farmers
that you know, sell mortgages. You know, those are the
people I talk to and we talk about things in
life that I try to utilize in the show. It's
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why we talk a lot about business on the show,
because in my real life that's what we talk about.
Mortgage rates, revenue, profit margins, how much it costs to
make said thing that you do. You know, that's that's
what That's what interests me, and it's why I've always
gravitated toward Colin because he talks about business. That's what
I like. You know, I'm never going to break down
the x's and no's a foot It kind of bores me,
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you know, It's just it's not my thing. So I
just I guess I just talk and maybe just over time,
there's just a natural improvement. You know, the more you
do something and take it seriously, you should improve at
what you're doing. There's no guarantee. I mean, in certain
you know, lines of work, there's a talent baseline that
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you got to have. But I think most things, if
you just keep doing it, you know you'll naturally improve.
But like those keywords to like try to use psychology
with the listener, I don't. I'm not consciously thinking of
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believe the Minnesota Vikings will win the division. Though the
lines are good. The Vikings offense will only get better
with Jordan Addison. I'll give you that, true, Depp. We
also got a lot of good pieces on defense, especially
with the addition of Byron Murphy. Not to mention Flores
is our defensive coordinator. I'll stop you there. That is
a fantastic hire. Brian Flores can coach defense, and your
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defense last year not great, right, pretty pretty awful. Here's
the one thing I will say about Jordan Addison in theory,
It's never been easier for younger wide receivers to function
in the league, though I would say not everyone just
hits the ground running. Some guys take time, and depending
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on who you're playing with, it just fits right. DK
metcalf late second round pick, gets Russell Wilson, great deep
ball thrower, they dominate immediately. Odell Beckham got to the
Giants when Eli could still play unreal immediately. Now, like
you said, Adison, he's coming to Kirk Cousins, who's last
couple of years been pretty damn good. I will say
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this though, about your offense. I don't have the stats
in front of me, but someone that's you know, played
some fantasy football in my day daily fantasy, not a
long term fantasy guy. Pretty sure. Adam Thielend scores a
lot of touchdowns, so I know he was getting a
little longer in the tooth. But I would say this,
Jordan Addison's career might be awesome, but there is a
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very good chance. I guess he only had six touchdowns
last year, but he had ten the year before. I mean,
thelan's given you sixteen touchdowns the last two years. You know,
I put the over under Addison like four or five.
Tough to fill those shoes. It really is very talented.
No one can argue that. But there's a difference too
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of a young player. You know. It's one thing when
you get drafted really high, right and I would say
top fifteen, and people view, you know, a Nick Bosa,
Joey Bosa, Zeke whoever. You know, all these top picks
expect you to come in hit the ground running, and
those guys I just named could. And then there's the
guys in like the fifteen plays like fifteen to like
twenty eight thirty that you know, some of them hit
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the ground running and some of them kind of get
to ease into it. There's no easing into it for
Jordan Addison. Now you can argue he just made a
big move, went from Pittsburgh to USC and was good.
But I'm gonna pick the lines mail back question pretty straightforward.
Breakdown your personal athletic career. Okay, little league mid nineties,
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Davis White, Sox number two pitcher. I'm kidding, I don't know.
I played high school football, played high school golf, and
then I was a terrible football player because I'm not
very big and not that athletic, and I played right
guard in a wing t offense. But I loved football.
I'm much better golfer, well not currently, but I should
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have just not played football and played golf. But all
my friends played football, and I loved being on the
football team. I played a little bit my senior year.
We weren't that great, but uh yeah, I just loved football.
And then it ended, and then I never did it,
and then I went to college and I missed it,
and I started working in football at cal Pola. So
it was one of those you know, there's no you're
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not listening to Matt Lioner here. I'd say Atlanticism out
of a ten, you know, probably four and a half
five better athlete than I probably look pretty slow footed,
not very quick. Uh never really ran on my toes
a little, you know, run flat footed, So I don't
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you know, probably ran I think in high school ran
like a five forty four to nine eight or something that. Honestly,
that just seems I might have been slower than that.
So pick up basketball, can't shoot, but shoot a lot.
I view it like Klay Thompson, So I'm a gunner,
but golf's my best sport. Played a little tennis here
and there in college. So I'd say, uh, relative to America,
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probably at best average athlete, better hand eye coordinate than anything.
I would say, do you think the Chiefs are developing
a succession plan for Andy when he eventually retires? Would
they hire within or hire outside the organization? I highly
recommend these guys do a fucking fantastic podcast. I mean
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it is just when they got guests on the EBB
and flow of the two brothers, it is. I just
don't think you can no one else can replicate this,
Like it's obviously they're two of the best players in
the league. They're brothers. The Kelsey Brothers podcast is really good,
and I told Travis hopefully I see him again over
the summer. He plays golf at TPC a lot because
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he's got a buddy who's like a corn fairy guy.
I just think, and I told him, I'm like, God,
your guys podcast is good man, I mean it is.
It's it's it's an easy listen and I got pretty
high standards, like I don't listen to that many shows,
and I definitely don't listen to that many athlete shows.
But like, just throw on Draymond Green show right now,
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and he can just sit there and talk. That's a
hard skill to have. Most athletes that think they can
get a podcast can't do it. And the chemistry those
two have the Andy Reid episode is just it's fantastic.
I know this in my experience around him, and I
know a lot of people that still work with him.
I just this guy's work ethic. I just don't think
he's slowing down. I don't think he plans on quitting
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anytime soon. And I think sometimes in pro sports, when
you get in a position as a player, like if
you're Gronkowski and you get around Tom, you don't ever
leave him. When you're a coach, you know, and you
get Patrick Mahomes I think you coach too. You can't
coach anymore. This is an opportunity from the football gods
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that just doesn't get any better. And Andy likes football
more than any human I've ever been around, and I
would put him in the history of the sport. I
would say, like him and Belichick. I mean, I'm serious,
I mean Sean Payton to a year off, and he
would never take a year off, not like the prime
of his career, Like I just don't even think like
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Sean Payton think or not Sean Payton. Sean McVay like
thinks about going to TV at thirty six years old,
Like Andy, is nothing in common with him. I mean
Andy's love of coaching and being around the football team.
I would I just think him and Belichick are on
a completely different level than every other coach. I mean
it's and listen, like these guys, I'm Sean McVay is
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a junkie, Sean Payton's a junkie, Kyle Shanahan's a junkie.
Like obviously, these guys like football infinitely more than all
of us listening and think we like football. And I
would not know that because I thought I liked football
a lot until I started working in it and seeing
it and you just go, Yeah, this guy's not going
away so of health permitting, and he's don't sleep on coaching.
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He changed his diet. I think he's going nowhere. I mean,
and if you're the Chiefs, you want him to go nowhere.
He's I mean, you got you got two bread with
nurse there in that building, and I mean I would
Travis for sure, but I mean the stalwarts leading the
ship right driving the bus are Pat Andy. And as
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long as you got those two guys, and then you
can put a couple elite players with them, Chris Jones,
Travis and led Vets Draft, you're gonna dominate. You are
going to dominate. Andy's been dominating. Donovan McNabb was a
fantastic talent. I mean he's probably like sixty percent of
mahomes and they were dominating in the two thousands. I mean,
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think about that. Sixty percent honestly might be a stretch.
And Donovy McNabb was like a pro bowler. You get
that guy. I mean, holy, I just I think it's on. Hey,
do you know what hotel visiting teams stay at when
playing the Jets and Giants at MetLife. Do you want
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to do some autograph seeking. No, I have no clue.
I guess I could find out, and I'm not going
to give that information away. Usually they stay, I actually
got no clue. I mean, I remember I stayed one
time at like twenty minutes away in Jersey when I
went to a game because I had to go back
and work after it was late. Purely as prospects pre NFL,
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how would you rank Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence, and Andrew Luck.
I would put Luck number one. Now it's also easy
for me to do that, seeing how once he came
to the pros, he immediately started going to Pro Bowls
and taking a team that had just won two games
to the playoffs, and by like his third year, he
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took them to the conference championship game. Now Caleb could
easily do that, and Trevor by year two is you know,
leading them back in a playoff victory. Now he self
inflicted through some picks in the first half. If I
was just purely going out of college, which is I
think what you're asking, It's hard to do that though,
because I, you know, Luck played a relatively long time
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in the league, and you know I got watched Trevor
last year. I would go Andrew, Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence.
I think if they were all in the draft, that's
probably how it would go. Now, I do think there
would be teams or individual gms if they were all
coming out of college at the same time. That might
value Caleb over Andrew. But remember Andrews. Andrews a fucking load.
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I mean, the dude's like six ' five, two fifty.
I think Andrew's one of the best prospects in like
the history League. Just physically in his play, you could
you know, one downfall of his clearly was staying in
the pocket. Mail back question, why do the Raiders have
some more primetime games than the Saints? Thanks no clue
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I heard. I haven't even looked at the Raiders schedule,
but I think I heard that have five primetime games. Now,
the flexing of these games, you know, you can flex
Monday night games, you can flex Sunday night games relatively early.
There's no guarantee if you're not good. I do think
the Raiders were close last year. Jimmy Garoppolo is a
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pretty big star. Their games at home are sweet. I
also think if I look at their I would guess
they're playing, you know, the Chargers and Chiefs in some
of those primetime games. The AFC West is a pretty
easy prime time Last year was hard with Hackett and
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Russell Wilson, but it's those teams pop on TV. Curiously,
if you getting takes on the idea of draft lotteries
in sports like the NHL and NBA from a league
business perspective, guess I am just confused is why other
leagues operate in a lottery style way, since personally, I
feel the NFL style draft is the only way that
makes sense with the worst teams having at least the
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chance to get out of the basement. My favorite part
of the NFL is the parody, which I feel like
the draft has a big part of emphasizing that you'd
think a rising tide lifts all ships versus getting the
best players to the biggest markets. Well, I think in basketball,
the NFL doesn't have to worry about tanking. What's his
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name that owns to the Dolphins literally told Flores like,
I'll pay you to lose, and he won through their
last five games. You know, last year Levey Smith Texans
worked awful somehow they win at the end and they
don't get the number one pick. In basketball, it's pretty
easy to tank, it really is, because you can put
guys on ice, you can put out just complete scrub teams.
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It's just that there's not much strategy if you're just
rolling out G League teams. Hinky showed you. I actually
like it in the in basketball because they need They
can't just have teams tanking left and right. In football,
you don't have to worry about it. If in football
you had to worry about tanking like you do in
the NBA. I do think the draft lottery is important
because you can't have no one cares, you know, ten
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plus teams not caring about the regular season for the
last couple months. Like ultimately, your product is the games.
So I think it works for both leagues. I think
the NBA tried it out early and it's become a
TV event for them, the lottery night, that thirty minute
television show. I guess I haven't spent that much time
thinking about it. Okay, last question. With Dan Snyder selling
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the Commanders most likely against his will, my question is
what can the NFL and the owners do to force
the sale of a franchise. I thought they'd have to
prive the Commanders out of dance Dan's cold dead hands.
It's fascinating actually. Also, is Mark Davis next on the list? Well,
I think they have tried so many different angles on
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Dan Snyder with all these like political, you know, attacks
from a football standpoint, that they just kind of bled
them out. And I think that's what they did. They
just kind of bled them out. But it's been an
U feels like six seven years. I mean it's it's
been bad with him owning the franchise, but these last
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I don't know, since like twenty fifteen, sixteen seventeen, it
just started getting ugly, started really getting ugly. I'm telling you,
I don't know how they do this. They would love
to get the Raiders and the Cardinals into new hands.
Those two areas are just too profitable. They're too important
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for the future of just the West Coast. I mean,
these are booming markets Vegas and the Greater Scottsdale area.
And you know, I'll say this about Mark Davis, he
tries he just has limitations because they just don't have
any other businesses. I think people do like them. You know,
people think I hate the Raiders. Whenever I interacted with Mark,
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Mark probably hates me. I always enjoyed him. He was
very cool. He's pretty normal, but there are limitations with
what he can do. And you know bidwell, I think
it is just people question like he's a guy, a
good guy like. I mean, we saw some of those
stories come out about But you charge the team like
players to take home dinner. That is absurd. That is insane.
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You're saying if Kyler Murray wants to take home like chicken,
rice and veggies to eat. While I was gonna say,
study film, but plays call of duty, he can't take
a to go box. I wouldn't have been able to
pay rent if the Eagles didn't give me to go boxes.
I mean without the Eagles cafeteria, I don't know if
I could have survived in Philly off twenty five grand.
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Every team coaches players to go boxes. You're charging for that.
There's just no way around it. That's an embarrassment. I'm
not expecting you to be Google. And even though I
think Google cut this out, like having massage therapists and
do everyone's dry cleaning. Even though teams, like when I
was in Philly, we got our haircut at the office.
You had to pay for it, but it was just
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a high level operation. And from everything you hear about Bidwell,
it's the opposite. It's just it's mom and pop shops.
The wrong works. I know, mom and pop shops that run,
you know, like a real business. It feels like he
just cuts every corner possible. And this is what I'll
say about Mark. He doesn't cut corners like that. Everything
he built in Vegas, I mean it wasn't him, I
mean the city. But he tries. He just doesn't. It
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doesn't execute it very well, but he does try. It
doesn't feel like Bidwell even tries. Okay, we'll get you
out here on that one. Appreciate everyone listening and uh,
talk to you guys this upcoming week. OTAs Mini camps
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The volume What is going on Everybody? John Middlecock Three
and Out podcast. This is the weekend mailbag edition at
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John Middlecoff is my Instagram. This is the way you
get onto this podcast. You just fire in those dms.
You asked me a question, football life, you name it.
Fire in those dms and get your question answered here
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I'll play a little golf. I walked, got a little
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sweat in, just drove home. Listen to Draymond talk about
losing the series and how he wants to stay with
the Warriors because he's smart, he knows. We talk about
this a lot in football. There is so much value
in just winning over and over and over again and
being a champion and ultimately taking a little less at
that level, whether it's the NBA or the NFL, to
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maintain winning sets you up for life when you already
have a ton of money. Because we love winners in
this country, especially when it comes to our athletes, especially
when they're introduced as champions the rest of their life
and part of you know, championship. You know, programs you're
seeing it right now with Kelsey and Mahomes. They will
be viewed, especially if they win another one. Three four
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time Super Bowl champion obviously Tom and Gronk and Edelman,
so tough al for US Warriors people. Obviously Draymond played.
I hate the Lakers. I'm not even gonna lie despise them.
You know, as I've gotten older, I don't really hate
that many teams like I did when I was a kid.
My fandom is so much different now, especially as a
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degenerate gambler. I just really root for people like gamble on.
You know. I don't even hate the Dodgers anymore because
I don't care that much about the Giants like I
used to. The Lakers are the only team when I
see I just root for them to lose. I would
root if Lebron was on the team. I did when
Kobe was on the team. I love Shack and I
rooted for him to lose back in his heyday. So
it just it pains me to say Nuggets and five, baby,
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let's go Denver. Okay, before we dive into the mailbag
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So promo code John. Okay, let's start with this question.
Seems kind of serious. How would you go about breaking
up with a girl who you've been with for about
three years? She didn't do anything bad to me. In fact,
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she's great. I have no complaints about her whatsoever. But
I just kind of know I don't see myself marrying her.
It sounds bad, but she's not my type looks wise,
and I'm not in love with her never really was,
despite the fact that she's been great to me. I
know she'd be a great wife and mother someday too.
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Am I being a jackass for even thinking about breaking
up with her? Am I being too shallow because I'm
putting too much emphasis on looks. Would love to get
some advice on this. If you're willing, well a couple
of things here. You don't find her attractive. You've been
dating her for three years, Like, wasn't there a point?
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I'm sure you live with her, Like, have you just
been living with her and you do not like her.
It's one thing to not be in love with someone,
it's another thing to like I don't find her attractive
at all, So that seems a little crazy to me.
Now listen, full disclosure, I'm not great at breaking up
with anybody, and I'm not acting like I'm Brad Pitt
here breaking up with people left and right. I've been.
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I've had a throne in my face too. It's hard
because in business I can be very I'm sure many
people listening. You know. Once you the older you get,
when it comes to money, you just kind of get
like the faster you get numb to it. When deals,
you just some people can say like, oh, you're an asshole. Now,
it's just business, right, But with personal relationships, especially with
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a girlfriend, a wife, a fiance, you know, it's tough
because it's the ultimate level if she is in love
with you, breaking up with someone where there's no way
for you not to be the complete asshole dick because
people will be like, what didn't see this coming? If
no one knows you're thinking like this and you've been
living with her, so it's going to be difficult. That
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being said, if you are not in love with her
and you do not want to have children with her,
you got to just have some balls and do it.
It's going to suck. I would imagine, you know, her
family friend carry over. It's there's no way around it.
It's going to be a disaster whenever you I don't
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have a great advice on how to muster up the courage,
you know, over dinner. I don't think there's a right time.
I don't think there's a wrong time to do it.
I would probably obviously do it in a one on
one situation, preferably probably not drinking, though you might need,
you know, a shot or two to kind of get
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some courage. But you know, you're in a tough spot
that you've created because you've gone with this forever. But
you can't there's no reason to keep this going if
this is how you feel, and I think this the
reality is, it's life, you know. I mean a lot
of people find themselves in these situations where you have
a lot of respect for the other person. You just
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you know, you say you're not attracted to her. That's
you know, I've been in situations where I'm attracted. It's
just like it's not going to work long term for
whatever reason. And it's it's difficult. But the longer it goes,
the harder it gets to, you know, go your separate
ways because someone has to. You know, there's clearly in
(06:33):
this position it sounds like don't know her, she likes
you more than you like her. But uh yeah, good luck,
but you got to do it. You don't have a choice.
I'm fifty five enjoyed Instagram just to DM you keep
up the good work, lifetime Bronco fan. And I'm concerned
that Sean Payton brought the physical irresponsibility had in New
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Orleans with him to the Broncos. He already overpaid two
offensive linemen, which we needed, and the Broncos don't have
their second or third round draft choice next year for
a team that needs two new starters from that draft?
Am I overthinking things? Should I be concerned? I've watched
every snap Mike mcglinchy's ever taken. I interviewed him years ago.
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He's a good guy. People like him. He's just a
Midwestern topway. He's actually from Philly. He's just a tough guy,
right big, you know, looks the part. Notre Dame in theory,
a top ten pick in theory. He should just be
a solid starter. The problem is his athleticism is limited.
And I also think there gets to a point for
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an offensive tackle if you want to get nerdy scouting
wise or coaching wise, six ' nine is just too tall.
And when you're six ' nine and you're not fluid
and athletic enough, he just struggles against big time pass rushers.
The reality is in the NFL in twenty twenty three,
most teams have really good pass rushers. At minimum they
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have won. Several teams have multiple So when you play,
you know you can put Chris Jones over him. You
can obviously put Joey Bosa over him. You can put
Max Crosby over him. McGlinchey has at a huge, huge
disadvantage in all of those matchups because he just can't
bend His foot quickness is not great. He's a good
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run player. He's a guy that can just be a
starter for you. Like he has been for the Niners
for whatever five years, and you know he went to
was part of a ton of playoff wins. But to
pay him fifty five million dollars or fifty whatever they
gave guaranteed, I'm sorry, I that was the craziest contract
of the offseason. They also signed that guard was the
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guard from the Ravens. I forget his name off the
top of my head. Not super locked into like mid
round guards. But when that happened, I text around and
I got a lot of people go, yeah, I don't
really see it now. He got a lot less money
than mcglinchy, if memory served me correct, he got like
twenty five million guaranteed. But so you're guaranteeing eighty plus
million dollars. So those two guys, I think, if you
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just polled the league, it's a lot of money for
two guys that you know, in a perfect world, the
forty nine ers were always trying to replace McGlinchey. And
this is like I think what Sean Payton would say, Well,
they couldn't and they were fine with him. Well, true,
but he was making you know, five six million dollars.
There's a difference once you start paying him that much money,
especially when you're paying your quarterback that much money. So
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once you pay a guy that Glinchy is who he
is as a player, Like he's well established. Whether he
was going to make ten dollars next year or ten
million dollars, his play would not change, Like, he's not
going to improve just because you paid him money. So
his limitations given your division specifically, I don't even have
your schedule up, but just know how good the pass
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rushers are in your division. That would make me a
little nervous. That would make me a little nervous. But
this is what happens when coaches get a lot of juice.
You know, I was wrong on my prediction that George
Peyton would be fired. You know, I'm sitting here May thirteenth.
He hasn't been relieved of his duties, so maybe they
are working together. But we all know when you pay
a coach eighteen million dollars a year, Like, we know
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who pulled the trigger on that one, right, that was
the head coach. Love the show. Been listening to a
little for a little over a year. I'm wondering what
your opinion is on the whole Matt Ariza situation and
if you think an NFL team is going to sign him.
I don't hear anyone coming out and reporting on it
at all, even though they were so quick to bury him.
I talked about it on Friday's podcast that if you're
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waiting for the media to apologize and say they screwed up,
we all know that does not happen. That is not
their emma. They bury you and if they're wrong, they
just move on. You know, this is the situation here.
This is what's fucked about this situation is the dude
clearly wasn't there, He had nothing to do with it.
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Yet his career, I don't want to say ruined because
it's not over, but clearly derailed. And I saw some
people writing and I don't even know if it's necessarily
not true bringing him in even though he's innocent. You know,
he's a punter. It's like, do you even want to
deal with that. Now, I'd be lying if I said
I knew anything about him punting beside all the hype
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when he was in college, and then when he got
to the Bills, he was hitting like ninety yard punts.
I mean, I think legitimately hit like an eighty two
yard punt. So I would assume he gets a shot.
I would assume. Now I don't have I just read
one ESPN article, because you know, he clearly wasn't part
of the gang rape. But you know, I remember the Bills,
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and I just think I'm reiterating what I said a
couple days ago. They did not cut him because they
knew he was guilty. They, like you and I and
like everyone in the media, had no clue. They strictly
cut him because it wasn't worth it for them given
his position, to risk him not telling the truth and
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being guilty. Right, if he had been a star pass rusher,
if he had been a quarterback an offensive tackle, they
would not have cut him. Now, they might have, you know,
put him on ice, you know, and done that, you know,
commissioner's exemp list or whatever teams can do, like just
you know, and definitely suspended. But we're not cutting you
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done something like that, but they would not have cut
him the punter fair not And this is I'm not
trying to take a shot as specialists here, but in
theory it's for one of the most replaceable positions on
the team. I'd argue it's easier, way easier to find,
you know, a punter than it is a reliable kicker.
That being said, I mean he clearly got royally railroaded.
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I wanted to ask you about your progression as a
podcaster over the years. I've listened to some of your
older stuff and you sound somewhat different in terms of
your vocal pitches in popular phrases. I know Colin is
certain hyperbolic words that he leans on. Big, smart, clever.
They can captivate an audience. There's some psychology psychology to it.
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It's a craft and an art, just like anything else.
And it's apparent that you work hard on it too.
Just curious about your methods and your processes over the
years as you continue to evolve. Appreciate you ps. I
think the mailbag is one of the best things you do.
Fascinating question. Uh, you know, you ask a question like
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I'm like a professional golfer, NBA player, or something like
how do you evolve every year? I think, like most businesses,
the more you do things, the more comfortable you get.
Even though talking is something I'm very comfortable at doing
before I ever did it for quote unquote living, it's weird.
Like today I played golf with a couple guys that
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I don't know that well though I know I'm a
little bit and we started getting serious. Like they looked
at me and they say, what do you do again?
And when you say you're a podcaster or they just
they want to know, like how did you come about this?
And I think I've talked about this before in you know,
previous episodes that not that I was insecure. It's just
a weird thing, like what do you do, right, I'm
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a sales guy, you know, I own a restaurant, you know,
I whatever. It's weird just saying I'm a podcaster because
you kind of you know what, like, yeah, I'm a podcaster.
But I think part of it is just I don't know,
it's natural maturation. My style in terms of like getting
ready for the show hasn't changed. You know. I write
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down stuff, whether it's reading or see things on the
Internet that excite me and I want to talk about
and I want to dive into or I hear other
people talk about on podcasts that are like, Oh, that's
that's a topic I want to touch on. And I
kind of write out, you know, the angle I want
to have on it. You know, probably like less than
a paragraph on a notepad, and I kind of I
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block it into like five or six segments for the show,
and I just kind of I write. I don't like
write out what I'm going to say. I just write
out some key thoughts, you know, all my different segments,
and then I kind of go from there. I remember
watching Colin do it. He has all these different papers
and he just like writes kind of keywords. Colin's really smart.
I mean, Colin's been doing this for a long time.
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I think he's, you know, the greatest sports talk definitely
the most unique sports talk radio host in the history
of the business. You know, you could say best sports
talk you know Jim Rome, what he meant to the
business in the late nineties. You know Dan Patrick, you know,
many would argue to be right there with Colin. Dan's
an incredible interviewer. I don't think anyone can have a
(15:32):
unique angle on a game, on a player, and honestly,
it's not even close like Colin. You know, if you
say Dan Patrick is the best interview in the interviewer
in the space, historically, you would say Colin's takes are
by far the most unique. So I, you know, I
don't do many interviews on this show. Need to bang
out some for the summer so I can go on vacation.
(15:54):
But in part of my mindset on that, and it
probably like I could do an interview if I get
famous people, but I feel like a lot of shows
do that. You know. I want people to come to
the show to hear me in my thoughts, and this
isn't a three hour podcast, right, And I just try
to be I try to be when I say different,
I just try to be myself. So I just try
to be authentically me. And one thing I think that
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really helps me is like I didn't go to journalism school.
I don't even like the media. I just try to
talk like I do to my friends, which have normal
people jobs, right, that work in construction, that are farmers
that you know, sell mortgages. You know, those are the
people I talk to and we talk about things in
life that I try to utilize in the show. It's
(16:37):
why we talk a lot about business on the show,
because in my real life that's what we talk about.
Mortgage rates, revenue, profit margins, how much it costs to
make said thing that you do. You know, that's that's
what That's what interests me, and it's why I've always
gravitated toward Colin because he talks about business. That's what
I like. You know, I'm never going to break down
the x's and no's a foot It kind of bores me,
(17:01):
you know, It's just it's not my thing. So I
just I guess I just talk and maybe just over time,
there's just a natural improvement. You know, the more you
do something and take it seriously, you should improve at
what you're doing. There's no guarantee. I mean, in certain
you know, lines of work, there's a talent baseline that
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you got to have. But I think most things, if
you just keep doing it, you know you'll naturally improve.
But like those keywords to like try to use psychology
with the listener, I don't. I'm not consciously thinking of
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believe the Minnesota Vikings will win the division. Though the
lines are good. The Vikings offense will only get better
with Jordan Addison. I'll give you that, true, Depp. We
also got a lot of good pieces on defense, especially
with the addition of Byron Murphy. Not to mention Flores
is our defensive coordinator. I'll stop you there. That is
a fantastic hire. Brian Flores can coach defense, and your
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defense last year not great, right, pretty pretty awful. Here's
the one thing I will say about Jordan Addison in theory,
It's never been easier for younger wide receivers to function
in the league, though I would say not everyone just
hits the ground running. Some guys take time, and depending
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on who you're playing with, it just fits right. DK
metcalf late second round pick, gets Russell Wilson, great deep
ball thrower, they dominate immediately. Odell Beckham got to the
Giants when Eli could still play unreal immediately. Now, like
you said, Adison, he's coming to Kirk Cousins, who's last
couple of years been pretty damn good. I will say
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this though, about your offense. I don't have the stats
in front of me, but someone that's you know, played
some fantasy football in my day daily fantasy, not a
long term fantasy guy. Pretty sure. Adam Thielend scores a
lot of touchdowns, so I know he was getting a
little longer in the tooth. But I would say this,
Jordan Addison's career might be awesome, but there is a
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very good chance. I guess he only had six touchdowns
last year, but he had ten the year before. I mean,
thelan's given you sixteen touchdowns the last two years. You know,
I put the over under Addison like four or five.
Tough to fill those shoes. It really is very talented.
No one can argue that. But there's a difference too
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of a young player. You know. It's one thing when
you get drafted really high, right and I would say
top fifteen, and people view, you know, a Nick Bosa,
Joey Bosa, Zeke whoever. You know, all these top picks
expect you to come in hit the ground running, and
those guys I just named could. And then there's the
guys in like the fifteen plays like fifteen to like
twenty eight thirty that you know, some of them hit
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the ground running and some of them kind of get
to ease into it. There's no easing into it for
Jordan Addison. Now you can argue he just made a
big move, went from Pittsburgh to USC and was good.
But I'm gonna pick the lines mail back question pretty straightforward.
Breakdown your personal athletic career. Okay, little league mid nineties,
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Davis White, Sox number two pitcher. I'm kidding, I don't know.
I played high school football, played high school golf, and
then I was a terrible football player because I'm not
very big and not that athletic, and I played right
guard in a wing t offense. But I loved football.
I'm much better golfer, well not currently, but I should
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have just not played football and played golf. But all
my friends played football, and I loved being on the
football team. I played a little bit my senior year.
We weren't that great, but uh yeah, I just loved football.
And then it ended, and then I never did it,
and then I went to college and I missed it,
and I started working in football at cal Pola. So
it was one of those you know, there's no you're
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not listening to Matt Lioner here. I'd say Atlanticism out
of a ten, you know, probably four and a half
five better athlete than I probably look pretty slow footed,
not very quick. Uh never really ran on my toes
a little, you know, run flat footed, So I don't
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you know, probably ran I think in high school ran
like a five forty four to nine eight or something that. Honestly,
that just seems I might have been slower than that.
So pick up basketball, can't shoot, but shoot a lot.
I view it like Klay Thompson, So I'm a gunner,
but golf's my best sport. Played a little tennis here
and there in college. So I'd say, uh, relative to America,
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probably at best average athlete, better hand eye coordinate than anything.
I would say, do you think the Chiefs are developing
a succession plan for Andy when he eventually retires? Would
they hire within or hire outside the organization? I highly
recommend these guys do a fucking fantastic podcast. I mean
(23:18):
it is just when they got guests on the EBB
and flow of the two brothers, it is. I just
don't think you can no one else can replicate this,
Like it's obviously they're two of the best players in
the league. They're brothers. The Kelsey Brothers podcast is really good,
and I told Travis hopefully I see him again over
the summer. He plays golf at TPC a lot because
(23:38):
he's got a buddy who's like a corn fairy guy.
I just think, and I told him, I'm like, God,
your guys podcast is good man, I mean it is.
It's it's it's an easy listen and I got pretty
high standards, like I don't listen to that many shows,
and I definitely don't listen to that many athlete shows.
But like, just throw on Draymond Green show right now,
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and he can just sit there and talk. That's a
hard skill to have. Most athletes that think they can
get a podcast can't do it. And the chemistry those
two have the Andy Reid episode is just it's fantastic.
I know this in my experience around him, and I
know a lot of people that still work with him.
I just this guy's work ethic. I just don't think
he's slowing down. I don't think he plans on quitting
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anytime soon. And I think sometimes in pro sports, when
you get in a position as a player, like if
you're Gronkowski and you get around Tom, you don't ever
leave him. When you're a coach, you know, and you
get Patrick Mahomes I think you coach too. You can't
coach anymore. This is an opportunity from the football gods
(24:44):
that just doesn't get any better. And Andy likes football
more than any human I've ever been around, and I
would put him in the history of the sport. I
would say, like him and Belichick. I mean, I'm serious,
I mean Sean Payton to a year off, and he
would never take a year off, not like the prime
of his career, Like I just don't even think like
(25:06):
Sean Payton think or not Sean Payton. Sean McVay like
thinks about going to TV at thirty six years old,
Like Andy, is nothing in common with him. I mean
Andy's love of coaching and being around the football team.
I would I just think him and Belichick are on
a completely different level than every other coach. I mean
it's and listen, like these guys, I'm Sean McVay is
(25:26):
a junkie, Sean Payton's a junkie, Kyle Shanahan's a junkie.
Like obviously, these guys like football infinitely more than all
of us listening and think we like football. And I
would not know that because I thought I liked football
a lot until I started working in it and seeing
it and you just go, Yeah, this guy's not going
away so of health permitting, and he's don't sleep on coaching.
(25:49):
He changed his diet. I think he's going nowhere. I mean,
and if you're the Chiefs, you want him to go nowhere.
He's I mean, you got you got two bread with
nurse there in that building, and I mean I would
Travis for sure, but I mean the stalwarts leading the
ship right driving the bus are Pat Andy. And as
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long as you got those two guys, and then you
can put a couple elite players with them, Chris Jones,
Travis and led Vets Draft, you're gonna dominate. You are
going to dominate. Andy's been dominating. Donovan McNabb was a
fantastic talent. I mean he's probably like sixty percent of
mahomes and they were dominating in the two thousands. I mean,
(26:33):
think about that. Sixty percent honestly might be a stretch.
And Donovy McNabb was like a pro bowler. You get
that guy. I mean, holy, I just I think it's on. Hey,
do you know what hotel visiting teams stay at when
playing the Jets and Giants at MetLife. Do you want
(26:54):
to do some autograph seeking. No, I have no clue.
I guess I could find out, and I'm not going
to give that information away. Usually they stay, I actually
got no clue. I mean, I remember I stayed one
time at like twenty minutes away in Jersey when I
went to a game because I had to go back
and work after it was late. Purely as prospects pre NFL,
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how would you rank Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence, and Andrew Luck.
I would put Luck number one. Now it's also easy
for me to do that, seeing how once he came
to the pros, he immediately started going to Pro Bowls
and taking a team that had just won two games
to the playoffs, and by like his third year, he
(27:40):
took them to the conference championship game. Now Caleb could
easily do that, and Trevor by year two is you know,
leading them back in a playoff victory. Now he self
inflicted through some picks in the first half. If I
was just purely going out of college, which is I
think what you're asking, It's hard to do that though,
because I, you know, Luck played a relatively long time
(28:02):
in the league, and you know I got watched Trevor
last year. I would go Andrew, Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence.
I think if they were all in the draft, that's
probably how it would go. Now, I do think there
would be teams or individual gms if they were all
coming out of college at the same time. That might
value Caleb over Andrew. But remember Andrews. Andrews a fucking load.
(28:28):
I mean, the dude's like six ' five, two fifty.
I think Andrew's one of the best prospects in like
the history League. Just physically in his play, you could
you know, one downfall of his clearly was staying in
the pocket. Mail back question, why do the Raiders have
some more primetime games than the Saints? Thanks no clue
(28:53):
I heard. I haven't even looked at the Raiders schedule,
but I think I heard that have five primetime games. Now,
the flexing of these games, you know, you can flex
Monday night games, you can flex Sunday night games relatively early.
There's no guarantee if you're not good. I do think
the Raiders were close last year. Jimmy Garoppolo is a
(29:14):
pretty big star. Their games at home are sweet. I
also think if I look at their I would guess
they're playing, you know, the Chargers and Chiefs in some
of those primetime games. The AFC West is a pretty
easy prime time Last year was hard with Hackett and
(29:35):
Russell Wilson, but it's those teams pop on TV. Curiously,
if you getting takes on the idea of draft lotteries
in sports like the NHL and NBA from a league
business perspective, guess I am just confused is why other
leagues operate in a lottery style way, since personally, I
feel the NFL style draft is the only way that
makes sense with the worst teams having at least the
(29:58):
chance to get out of the basement. My favorite part
of the NFL is the parody, which I feel like
the draft has a big part of emphasizing that you'd
think a rising tide lifts all ships versus getting the
best players to the biggest markets. Well, I think in basketball,
the NFL doesn't have to worry about tanking. What's his
(30:18):
name that owns to the Dolphins literally told Flores like,
I'll pay you to lose, and he won through their
last five games. You know, last year Levey Smith Texans
worked awful somehow they win at the end and they
don't get the number one pick. In basketball, it's pretty
easy to tank, it really is, because you can put
guys on ice, you can put out just complete scrub teams.
(30:39):
It's just that there's not much strategy if you're just
rolling out G League teams. Hinky showed you. I actually
like it in the in basketball because they need They
can't just have teams tanking left and right. In football,
you don't have to worry about it. If in football
you had to worry about tanking like you do in
the NBA. I do think the draft lottery is important
because you can't have no one cares, you know, ten
(31:03):
plus teams not caring about the regular season for the
last couple months. Like ultimately, your product is the games.
So I think it works for both leagues. I think
the NBA tried it out early and it's become a
TV event for them, the lottery night, that thirty minute
television show. I guess I haven't spent that much time
thinking about it. Okay, last question. With Dan Snyder selling
(31:24):
the Commanders most likely against his will, my question is
what can the NFL and the owners do to force
the sale of a franchise. I thought they'd have to
prive the Commanders out of dance Dan's cold dead hands.
It's fascinating actually. Also, is Mark Davis next on the list? Well,
I think they have tried so many different angles on
(31:46):
Dan Snyder with all these like political, you know, attacks
from a football standpoint, that they just kind of bled
them out. And I think that's what they did. They
just kind of bled them out. But it's been an
U feels like six seven years. I mean it's it's
been bad with him owning the franchise, but these last
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I don't know, since like twenty fifteen, sixteen seventeen, it
just started getting ugly, started really getting ugly. I'm telling you,
I don't know how they do this. They would love
to get the Raiders and the Cardinals into new hands.
Those two areas are just too profitable. They're too important
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for the future of just the West Coast. I mean,
these are booming markets Vegas and the Greater Scottsdale area.
And you know, I'll say this about Mark Davis, he
tries he just has limitations because they just don't have
any other businesses. I think people do like them. You know,
people think I hate the Raiders. Whenever I interacted with Mark,
(32:49):
Mark probably hates me. I always enjoyed him. He was
very cool. He's pretty normal, but there are limitations with
what he can do. And you know bidwell, I think
it is just people question like he's a guy, a
good guy like. I mean, we saw some of those
stories come out about But you charge the team like
players to take home dinner. That is absurd. That is insane.
(33:14):
You're saying if Kyler Murray wants to take home like chicken,
rice and veggies to eat. While I was gonna say,
study film, but plays call of duty, he can't take
a to go box. I wouldn't have been able to
pay rent if the Eagles didn't give me to go boxes.
I mean without the Eagles cafeteria, I don't know if
I could have survived in Philly off twenty five grand.
(33:34):
Every team coaches players to go boxes. You're charging for that.
There's just no way around it. That's an embarrassment. I'm
not expecting you to be Google. And even though I
think Google cut this out, like having massage therapists and
do everyone's dry cleaning. Even though teams, like when I
was in Philly, we got our haircut at the office.
You had to pay for it, but it was just
(33:55):
a high level operation. And from everything you hear about Bidwell,
it's the opposite. It's just it's mom and pop shops.
The wrong works. I know, mom and pop shops that run,
you know, like a real business. It feels like he
just cuts every corner possible. And this is what I'll
say about Mark. He doesn't cut corners like that. Everything
he built in Vegas, I mean it wasn't him, I
mean the city. But he tries. He just doesn't. It
(34:20):
doesn't execute it very well, but he does try. It
doesn't feel like Bidwell even tries. Okay, we'll get you
out here on that one. Appreciate everyone listening and uh,
talk to you guys this upcoming week. OTAs Mini camps
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