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May 12, 2020 55 mins

In this episode, Middlekauff explains why the NFL will avoid most of the major financial devastation that the NBA and MLB are facing, who's to blame for the failed post-Gruden Monday Night Football broadcast booth, and gives his 5 football documentaries worthy of a Last Dance length documentary. He also answers questions in the Middlekauff Mailbag. Follow John on twitter @JohnMiddlekauff and go to theherdnow.com to find the latest content. Subscribe now!

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
What is going on? Everybody? John Middlecop three and Out podcast.
We are now in uh, almost to the middle of May,
and just chugging along, UH in Quarantine and the Corona.
I guess some of you depend on where you live.
It's opening up and slowly but surely. I guess it's
hard to even say getting back to normal. I mean,

(00:31):
you gotta wear a mask in a store. It's not
exactly normal. But we will keep talking about football and
try to keep it normal and luckily, you know, as
it feels like. And I'm gonna talk about off the
top some of baseball and basketball's issues for trying to
get back up and running is probably unlikely for the NFL,

(00:52):
and there's a key reason why Booger and Tests. I know.
The Monday night football broadcast is something we've talked a
lot about on the show the last couple of years.
Became official. I think last Friday, maybe it was Saturday.
All days run together. Now they won't be returning, UH,
and I have I have a thought on that. And

(01:14):
then what one thing I did like I mean a
lot of sports fans. I mean that I think they're
averaging a little under six million people. The m J
doc on Sunday. Another seven and eight were fantastic. What
I did is in my lifetime, I wrote the five
m J level docks I'd want on NFL teams or

(01:35):
NFL you know, like the Dynasty's. And I also picked
a couple of college teams. So basically the documentaries I'd
want to see based on these certain teams and kind
of their eras. And of course Middlecoff mail back at
John Middlecoff is my Instagram handle. At John Middlecoff is
my Instagram handle also my Twitter handle d MS wide open,

(01:56):
slide right in there, ask questions. As we get here
into uh with no office O t as, nothing really
going on, I'm gonna need you guys, so fire in there,
wide open, hit me up any ideas you got open
anything obviously, any questions. And then of course, if you
guys listen on Apple or iTunes, if you go to
the three and Out podcast, leave a review. A lot

(02:19):
of you guys have leaved left a review last time
I check. We have like trying to get to that
four figure mark. If you like to show, leave a
little five stars, and if you hate it, leave many
stories you want. But let's start with this Major League
baseball and the NBA are having a lot of issues
right now. I don't know if you've followed. There's been
a lot of articles written from Woes and Ken Rosenthal

(02:41):
and they're just trying to get some parameters back so
they can attempt whenever the time is safe or they're
allowed to get the wheels in motion and coming back
and getting a lot of pushback from the unions, and
it's becoming a financial issue. It is not. They're not
having issues over the Corona right now. They're having issue
used well. The NBA is a little bit Baseball right

(03:02):
now is going back and forth over revenue sharing and money.
And it got me thinking, like when times are really bad,
when you get kind of fat and happy with something,
you're not used to taking pay cuts. It's one thing
if you own a business or run a business, you
ebb and flow and you see money come in and
you get things that happen and you pay out. You

(03:23):
have huge liabilities. Well, the great thing, unlike the NFL,
the Major League Baseball players, in the NBA basketball players,
the moment their contract is signed, they have zero liability. None.
You can break an ankle, you can throw your arm,
and you still get every penny. Think about this. We've

(03:44):
all read these stories, you know, like when a big
famous you know, Chris and Cavalery and Jay Cutler just
got divorced. Now there, I guess they haven't officially got divorced.
They filed for a divorce. But we've seen historically some
professional athletes and just famous actors, Tiger Woods whoever, go
through these public divorces where they pay these numbers, and
you're like, he has to pay her a hundred and

(04:04):
fifty thousand dollars a month in alimony, separate from child support,
just an alimony because she's used to a certain lifestyle.
And this comes by the ways. I mean, this could
happen with a girl paying a guy too. I'm just
using the examples that I can think of. And you're
just like, oh my god. And then you read about
it and she was like, well, I'm used to getting
this much money even though she stay at home mom
and just watch the kids. I've always thought it's kind

(04:25):
of crazy, but the laws of law, even though a
divorce crazy time. Ideally, no one wants to get a divorce,
and when they happen and you have a lot of money,
they usually become very expensive, and they usually become very,
very ugly because nobody ever wants to take a haircut
because on both sides they've become fat and happy. If
you have a lot of money, they become a little

(04:47):
less problematic. When there's less money at stake, but you
could argue money is all relative. It becomes an issue. Well,
right now you're seeing the baseball players who are not
used to taking a haircut. There are basketball players because
the moment their contract is if I signed a five
year deal in basketball or baseball at twenty million of pop,

(05:08):
so five years, a hundred million dollars, under no circumstances,
whether I rip up my knee, whether I start sucking,
whether I'm just half as good, it's irrelevant. I'm getting
every penny. Well, we see it every year in the
NFL when these contracts are signed. Two years later, the
contracts are relevant. It's like, oh God, if this guy

(05:29):
doesn't pick up his play, he might get cut. And
the players know it. It's why there's an intensity and
an edged every game. It's something that's really as you
see in the MJ doc. You're like, God, the nineties
basketball looks nothing like now. Guys actually tried. Guys actually
played every night because there was an element of like, god,
I'll get I'll get cut. I mean I don't. I'm

(05:49):
not making astronomicals amount of money. Well, when you start
in the NBA is having issues right now, the players
are like, yeah, we don't really feel like coming back.
We feel like they're kind of pressuring us to work out.
It's like, bro, I mean, just go work out by
yourself in the team facility. The season might come back.
Be ready. We pay you twenty million dollars. We just
want you to stay in shape, you know, tell Chris
Paul to tell Adam Silver. We don't want to do that.

(06:12):
And they have Lefford because they're so rich. It doesn't
matter the average NBA salary seven million dollars, or if
the NFL, if they opened up the facilities, and they're
lucky they've been able to avoid all this because their
season has not taken place. But if they got to
a point where you know, we're gonna be able to play,
it's only gonna be six of the revenue we usually

(06:32):
usually produced. Because we want to have fans, we have
to take these haircuts because of these sponsors are pulling
out the players would immediately say yes, so we'll only
make six of what we usually make. Because again, no
one's lying here where everyone in my business, I'm sure
everyone listening, we've all taken either haircuts or had to
move money around, or lost business or had deals they

(06:54):
got pushed back that who knows if they actually come
to fruition at the end of the year. Welcome to
the pandemic and baseball. On basketball on the owner and
team side are having a hard time, you know, just
getting something going because their players are kind of fat
and happy. They don't need to do anything. They're all rich.
The average salary in the NBA is seven million dollars.

(07:16):
We're in the NFL. You have a lot of guys
making money, but they all know they have huge liability
because every single year, the majority of contracts, if you
have a major injury, they will cut you at the
end of the season and you might not be able
to get another one. So just because you have some
quote unquote four year, fifteen million dollars a year sixty

(07:37):
million dollar contract, we all know, well, there's actually only
seventeen million dollars of it guaranteed, So there is an
incentive whenever the NFL, And again this is all based
on if people can be healthy and they can play,
which it feels like we're headed that way. We might
have to do you know, fanless events as you guys.
I'm not the biggest UFC guy, but watched a lot
of UFC that was on ESPN on Saturday, and it

(07:58):
was pretty cool. You you you felt like you were there.
You could hear the punches. It was just it wasn't
like anything I've ever seen. It was like quiet, but
it was it was. It was a powerful event just
to watch. Now would would these other major sports would
be a little different because the one thing, the octagon
is relatively small, so it's one thing to be on
a you know, at Dodger Stadium with no fans there

(08:21):
or I don't know. The NBA could probably play in
practice arenas in football. It would look like, uh, you know,
a scrimmage, but guys would be playing full go. But
it would definitely feel a little different. But we got
to adapt. And no one is gonna feel bad for
the basketball or baseball players because right now the baseball
players are bitching, unlike basketball and football, where there is

(08:42):
revenue sharing. That's what that's why the salary cap exists.
The salary cap is based on how much money the
league makes and then it gets split up throughout the players.
We're in baseball. There is no revenue sharing, but there's
also no salary cap. That's why you want to go
to the good teams because they pay all the money
or the high you know, the high value teams like
the Yankees, Red Sox, Giants, whatever, they pay huge money.

(09:03):
Teams like the A's in Tampa don't have to pay anything.
But all these players that are under these huge contract
even if you're not under a Bryce Harper contract, what
if you're under a thirty million dollar contract three years,
thirty million dollars? You want? They want to have a
pro rated salary. And Baseball right now is saying we
need to do a revenue sharing this year because of
the corona, because our revenue is destroyed because a big

(09:25):
part of baseball revenue is based on fan attendance, which
the NFL is actually the opposite, is based on more
media than fan attendance. Though you can make a lot
of money from your fan attendants, especially if you have
new stadiums like I know the forty Niners make huge
money with the sweet sales. It's the biggest reason why
the Raiders and Rams and all these teams want to
get new stadiums because you make so much money off

(09:45):
sweet stales. You make so much money off even things like, uh,
you know, bud light, And think about every NFL stadium
or every college stadium has bud lighter, cores light or whatever.
Those people are paying huge amounts of money for that signage.
So as I was talking to someone in the NFL,
is like, well, what happens if there are no fans
because bud lights paying you eight million dollars a year

(10:07):
to be at Levi's or be a so Far or
be at a T N T or whatever stadium. They're like, well,
there's no fans in the stadium, we're not paying that.
And they're like, yeah, everything's negotiable. This is all uncharted territory.
And as you can see, baseball and basketball having a
lot of trouble because they're those players. Unions aren't just powerful,
they just don't necessarily need the sport. If it's gonna

(10:28):
go away the rest of the year, they can handle it.
We're in football. They're used to the mindset. They don't
have guaranteed contracts. They don't have set roster spots. I mean,
if you're like a seven year guy Pro Bowl Larry Wharford,
who had made three straight Pro Bowls was just cut
by the New Orleans Saints. That happened over the weekend.
Cut dude have been making Pro Bowls. See you goodbye,

(10:52):
Audios to save some money. I mean, the NFL relates
to normal workplace, just like us. And now it's not
a it's on a lot higher scale, but things are
always changing. Uh, they're basically the players are while they're
under contract. The majority of them are not that much
different than at will employees because at any moment they

(11:12):
can be had that contract ripped up. So it's really
why it makes sense why the league resonates so much.
There's so much incentive to work hard because if you don't,
you just will get replaced. And really, the only quote
unquote scholarships there ever are is when you overpay for
a player and he turns out to not be good
and you have to keep maybe one year longer than
you want to, or when you miss on a draft

(11:33):
pick right and you're not gonna cut the guy after
two years if he sucks like a first rounder. You
give him that extra year, maybe four years, but in basics,
think how many scholarships there are in basketball and baseball.
You're like, oh my god, I would cut this guy.
I'd give anything to be able to cut this player,
but you can't. You're like, I got four more years
with him. Then you start trading him as just an

(11:53):
expiring contract or a money filler. And it's just it's
a business model that while when things are good, as
you know, for the most part, right unless we're in
a recession time, times are pretty good and you always
say that, you always hear this professional sports or everything
is certain things are recession proof. Like who would have
ever thought the casinos wouldn't be recession proof? Think about that.

(12:16):
They they literally are the worst possible thing for a pandemic, right,
you gotta shut down business and hotels, like there's literally
no way to make money. Think about Disney. Their entire
business model was like cruise ships, sports and amusement parks.
I would have been like, oh, Disney, we hit a recession,
that that will be fine. They're losing thirty million dollars

(12:38):
a day, and when when you're in bed with these
huge unions and you need them. I mean, they have
the players, but it's become a very very difficult proposition.
It's all it's all the money. It's all because of
cash and both sides. And you hear this often so
many times, like owners are greedy and humans are We're
all inherently a little greedy. We all think about ourselves first.

(13:00):
But when you read these comments like the NBA made
their union rep made about playing in a bubble, that
we would be like prisoners with armed guards. I mean
that that's that's an embarrassing comment. When you read baseball
players talking about how we will not play for revenue share,
we will only do pro rated salaries. Uh, it's like, guys,

(13:21):
are you living under rock? I mean, get with the
real world in football. I just I just don't imagine
us having these issues because the nature of the business
setup is always pretty volatile now and even on the
the the owners side, this year, I mean, they're gonna
take massive hits if they don't, uh, you know, get

(13:42):
to have suites and they got to give money back
for what if I'm paying twenty million dollars a year
for naming rights and I do I have to pay
the same thing when I'm gonna get no home games,
I mean no no fans there. Now, you could argue
you're still gonna talk about the stadium a lot if
the games are being played, but these things are all
under consideration. These are uncharted waters, and sometimes an uncharted waters,

(14:04):
you've got to be able to just you know, hit
some waives and just hold on for dear life. It's
literally what we're all doing. Whether you run a professional
sports league, whether you run a podcast, whether you run
a printer shop. This is everyone's getting hit. Maybe besides
like bezos and even he he's getting sued for trying
to force his workers to work. It's crazy times. So

(14:25):
I I feel zero sympathy for these players bitching and moaning,
and I look forward to if these if these leagues
can't figure it out, this is a chance for the NFL.
I mean they're they've already separated, but to be in
a different world. Okay, let's uh, let's dive into Monday
night football, and some news broke Friday afternoon or over
the weekend that Booker McFarlane and Joe test It Tour

(14:48):
will not be back. And I want to state something
I've been hard over the last couple of years on
the broadcast. Start with Jason Winton. I've heard him interviewed
countless times. UH heard him on a podcast. He's a
really really high level guy, good guy, very good player,
had a hell of a career. Hall of fame. I'd

(15:10):
have to dive into that. Maybe not quite a Hall
of famer. We could argue that really really good player,
great career. I think he'd make a great GM one day.
Not everyone's made for the media. His personality did not
fit and it was just just not a good fit.
And there's nothing wrong with that. Certain things we're all
not good at and we could be excellent at something else.
Noel will toward the guy. But then they doubled down

(15:33):
and they put tests toward Booger. And let me say
this on Booger. I heard him on Risilo's podcast. I
watched him for a long time. I've always been a
big SEC network guy. He's really good on the SEC.
He's passionate about it, he knows the players actually thought
on the draft wasn't bad either. I think he has
good He's solid in a specific role. Not everyone has

(15:54):
met to Kyle Games and Joe tested tour is good
for fights, and he's good for like Kyle Edged football
when you can hype it up. Wasn't good for the NFL.
I think these guys, I don't know any of them personally.
I know having listened to a lot of Booger and
Jason Witten seemed like really high character, good people. So
sometimes you know, this job, you gotta be critical of people.

(16:15):
Bad announcers, awful and it's Monday night football. We all
have higher standards. It was terrible. One thing that I
was thinking about this weekend in football. Right, if you're
a general manager and you have several bad drafts, I guess,
unless you're David Caldwell and several bad signings, you get fired. Right,
Trent Balky had several bad drafts, several bad signings. Jed

(16:37):
York fires him. Mccagnen was ruining the Jets. Fired. That's
that's usually the way it works. You can think of
countless examples. You know, GM's actually don't get fired that often,
but once you make bad moves, it's really bad. Now,
when you start a new channel or you know, new
radio station, it might take you some time. Like look

(16:59):
at Sports One, it took them some time to figure
out who they wanted to wear. The first couple of
years they had those dudes from Canada. They're gone, try
some different things, some different shows. Ultimately you got Colin,
you got Skipping Shannon, You've got the gambling show. It
kind of works, right, You got all your your inventory
of games, non pandemic. You can set up your lineup.

(17:20):
It's sweet, but it takes some time starting a new
channel from scratch. It's not easy. ESPN has been in
this sector forever. They were literally the first. They have
been hosting games since what whenever the thing started in
nineteen seventy nine for cable networks. They've had Monday Night
Football now for a long period of time, but they've
had NFL games forever. Part of being an exact in television,

(17:44):
whether it's at CBS, ESPN, Fox, whatever, like it's on
you to pick the talent, like it's your job now.
It's easy when a guy like John Madden or John
Gruden or Troy Aikman, if they become a free agent.
Tony Romo became a free agent, it was it was
everyone and their mother could be like, yeah, Tony rome
was good, right. If I needed a golf announcer, I'll
get Jim nance easy. Actually took some balls to have

(18:04):
Joe Buck do it. Joe Bux turned out to be
pretty good. I'll get Fox. Fox usually does some bullshit
and it tends to work. To put Joe Buck on
the US Open. The last couple of years for golf,
he's been good. You're not gonna bat one thousand. Sometimes
not gonna work, you know. I mean it was easy
for Fox in theory. Right to Colin Coward became available,
you'd be crazy not to sign him, sign him, change

(18:25):
you know the station, the channel? Well, when do you
have Monday night football? And you're trying to replace John
Gruden whoever? And I don't know who this is, and
I don't even know why. I'm gonna waste too much
time talking about this, but it's kind of crazy the talent,
Like we're gonna blame Booger and blame Tests and even
blame Witten. Is it any of their faults? Is it

(18:45):
Jason Witten's fault that he retired? And they're like, you
want to call Monday night football? And he's like, yeah,
I'll do it. And they're like Booger who had been
working at the SEC network. They're like, hey, man, we're
gonna build you this little mobile. It's like a scissor lift,
and it's gonna drive you around the sidelines, and you're
just gonna chime in and say funny stuff. Then just
say what you see? What's shes supposed to say? No?

(19:07):
Of course he's gonna say yes. Joe Testator, who was
doing games when I worked at Fresno State, he was
doing like Fresno State, Nevada. You think he's like, yeah,
you know, I'll just stay with you know, doing Oklahoma State, Missouri.
That's that's that's more fun. I don't blame any of
those guys for saying yes. Just like when you take
the wrong player with the seventh overall pick. What's some

(19:28):
players supposed to do? You know, I'm not gonna report
I should have been a fourth round player. Like you
know what if Cleveland Farrell, when Mike Mayock and Gruden
picked him, picked up the phone, was like, you know, coach,
I wouldn't pick me here. I probably belong you know
somewhere between thirty five and fifty in that range of
the draft. I'll never live up to what you're gonna

(19:49):
pay me in the fourth overall pick. So if you know,
I'm gonna give you I'm gonna give your heads up.
I would change the pick right now. That's not the
way it works. Someone offers you a sweet job, usually
take it. So I don't blame any of these guys
for taking the job. It was a disaster, right, it
was just really bad. It wasn't good. But it's not
always like is it their fault or is it someone

(20:11):
that like why does more people ESPN? Not that this
would be public, we wouldn't even know who these people are.
But the people that should be blamed for this are
the people that picked them to take this job, whoever
those people were in ESPN. Because it was not Booker
McFarland's fault. I've seen him enough on the SEC networking
with the NFL draft, like he's a capable broadcaster. Should

(20:31):
he have been put on Monday at football? Of course not.
When you take these guys, I would give Greg Olston credit.
He's now been repping. When you talk for a living
or do media stuff, everyone thinks like, oh, I could
do that. I used to think that all the time
growing up forever listening to like Jim Rome or I
used to love you know, I don't know, if you

(20:52):
guys remember the show Love Line Adam Corolla and Dr
Drew and Adam was just so funny. It's like I
could do that, and you realize, Yeah, Adam Carol as
like one of the biggest podcasts going right now. Like
he's been a huge star forever, right wherever. People probably
watched Joe Rogue and be like, I could be like
Joe Rogan, or I could be like Colin Coward. No, no,
you couldn't. Know. You couldn't because one, it would be

(21:13):
impossible just to start from scratch, and too, it takes
forever too. Uh, you know, Iron Sharpen's Iron. There's a
reason when Michael Jordan was getting ready to go back
to the NBA, he built a little bubble when he
was shooting Space Champ and had all those guys planned.
He needed to get his reps back, and he had
already had fifteen years of reps from North Carolina and

(21:33):
the NBA. This stuff is very very difficult. Broadcasting is
no different. Broadcasting is very very hard for someone to
just I just give my takes and my opinions, and
I guess I've had some success because I really don't
give a shit I'm not afraid to say what I
think you all are thinking, where a lot of people
in the media are kind of scared, you know, to

(21:54):
put their opinion out there, uh, or just really take
a stand. And I don't just take random stands. I'm
I'm not trying to take a stand just to say
I take a stand. If I say it, I believe it.
But I had to become comfortable at doing that. And
the more I do it, the more comfortable I'm at it.
And also the more that I watched, the more comfortable
I am taking a stand on something. Well, when you

(22:14):
put these guys in a booth that have never really
been in a booth, especially Jason Witten, like what do
you think was gonna happen? Like Greg Olsen, whenever he
does retire and he does games for Fox, will probably
be pretty good. Why because he had a three or
four years to practice, he has done games, He's felt
what it's like to call a game, to prep for
a game, you know, what is different than calling a
game playing in the game. So why when you hear

(22:35):
sometimes players talk about the draft like, I'm sorry, they
don't know what the hell they're talking about one because
it's not like they've ever been to a draft meeting.
They've never seen a meeting with the coaches beside on
hard knocks back in the day of what it's like
the ranked players, of what it's like to talk through players,
they just haven't seen that. It's why when you see

(22:56):
them go from playing like an l Way or a
John Inch like you. You put a microphone in front
of John Lynch right now, there is literally not a
subject he couldn't talk about when it comes to football.
That's why if John Lynch ever got fired or quit,
he would be so much more valuable in the broadcast booth.
Same for Mike Mack. I've played, I've coached what I haven't.

(23:17):
I've been a GM, I've seen it all. I've been
around the players on both sides. And when you just
throw a guy like you, you you wouldn't just put a
guy he just you know, the first time I ever
playing golf in a tournament, it's really unfair. I don't
remember this, but I guess I've heard the stories about
Troy Aikman started in NFL Europe, like you get the
same with Chris Collinsworth. It takes time, you know, I

(23:40):
would say that Gruden is kind of an outlier, and
it's pretty clear he's just a unique all time personality.
So ESPN really, you know, and I've probably talked some
shit about Booger and tests, definitely last year because it
was a bad broadcast. But now that we I don't
think like I like Booker, Actually I do. I think

(24:01):
he's a good guy. I actually think he knows his
stuff in the SEC. I don't blame him for being
bad at the job. I blame ESPN. They should be ashamed, embarrassed,
and they probably don't even get his enough heat because
the heat is directed at the talent when the heat
should be directed at the you know, the company and

(24:22):
whoever the middle manager is that put him in this position,
because if it was a coach or a GM that
had staked their career on like a player, like someone
I don't know if he stook his career because I
doubt he did. But whoever's idea was this, it was
should probably pick a new industry moving forward. Okay, because
of the Michael Jordan documentary, the Last Dance, which I

(24:44):
think we can kind of universally agree, has been fantastic.
It has been awesome. Michael phil Scottie, Jerry Krausse, Dennis Rodman,
from Isaiah Thomas, Larry Bird Magic talking about Gary Payton
and Karl Malone, Charles Bark the whole thing. It's been
box office been fantastic, average like six million viewers an episode,

(25:07):
living up for the hype. So what I thought I'd
do is I pick five teams in my lifetime. I
was born in the eighties, so eighties and to where
we're at present day that I would like a documentary
on After thirty style, MJ doc whatever that I think
could be a fantastic ten part documentary. Ten and clearly

(25:30):
there would be you know anything, Vince Lombardi, you know
if you did before my lifetime, would be awesome. The
Al Davis, John Madden seventies Raiders would be elite. The
Steel Curtain Steelers would be awesome. Stallback Cowboys that you'd
have options in the sixty Bear Bryant, you'd have a
lot of football options. I did college and Pro. Number

(25:50):
one is a no brainer, absolute no brainer. The Pats
Brady Belichick, six super Bowls, nine appearances, the undefeated season,
the Flake Gates, I Gate, suspensions, trades, retirements, you name it,
We've seen it all, seen it all. They are. They

(26:10):
are Michael Jordan's of the NFL. Right Belichick is Phil
Tom is crazy as Michael. They are the Chicago Bulls
of the NFL. And like the Chicago Bulls who won
multiple had multiple three peats. I guess the only other
three piece has been Shack and Kobe. Like three pieces
don't happen. Hew, the Warriors, you know, had an unreal

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five year run and didn't get a three pet won
three and five years. It's hard to do Miami heat.
I mean, Lebron won two and four. It's just we
might never see a three peat again. I mean, think
how difficult it was back in the early two thousands
with Shaq and Kobe. Is probably never gonna happen in
the NFL. I don't think we'll ever see a Super
A team wins six Super Bowls in nine years, or
excuse me, six Super Bowls in nineteen years. I I

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don't see that happening. So that's the easy umber one. Overall.
Number two was a little tough. I could have gone
two different directions, and I almost chose the eddity to
barrowlow forty niners and people in the middle coffee bias.
I wanted the nineties Cowboys because, like the like the
Bulls documentary, and like the Patriots, there is a lot
of drama there. You know, you have polarizing front man

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Jimmy Johnson, Jerry Jones. You have countless crazy things going
off the field, the White House, cocaine, drugs. You also
have championships. You have three championships in four years. You
have free agency trades, Dion Sanders, Charles Haley, just huge
moves on top of Hall of Fame players Michael Irve

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and Troy Aikman, Emmett Smith, just be box office a
little shorter. But given it's the Cowboys and Jerry Jones
and Jimmy Johnes, I think it would be fantastic. It's
kind of like it would be a little playmakers. Like
I don't know if the Pats would be as crazy
like I don't I don't know if the Pats would
have a huge drug element the Cowboys would. When you

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when I think nineties Cowboys, I think championships in cocaine.
That's the first thing that comes to my mind. So
I I think the cow of the nineties Cowboys really
the early nineties Cowboys. Five that little run would be
absolute box office three. I went Eddie to Bartelow and

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the San Fransco forty Niners. Now they are kind of
multiple iterations over the Eddie run hires Bill Walsh, wins
the Super Bowls with Montana, the Steve Young element. Obviously
Walsh was kind of would be awesome behind the scenes.
Eddie to Bartelow a little like Jerry Jones before Jerry Jones,
kind of this crazy little Italian born into wealth like

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his dad had a lot of money, bought the team
for not that much, turned it into a dynasty, was
buying players left and right before free agency. Then the
George c Fort Steve Young era. They ended up getting
rid of Steve Young. Eddie to Bartelow, tried to pay
off assemblyman or senator or whatever it was in Louisiana
to get access to a to a casino. Was the

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Feds were involved, was kicked out of the league. I
don't know if you quite have the juice of the Cowboys,
But in terms of football documentary porn, it would be
up there, Montana, Young, Rice, Ronnie Lot, It would be sweet,
It would be really it would probably be a little
deeper into the football where the Cowboys and the Pats

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would be a little more like the Jordan Dock and
a lot of drama. Now not saying there wouldn't be
drama with the Niners. Bill Walsh quit. You know Bill Walsh,
we act like a coach for like twenty five years.
He was an assistant coach for a long time. He
was not a head coach for very long. I'm pretty
sure it was Sev. It was kind of a short
run and he almost quit multiple times because him and

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Eddie were always button heads. I think the Steve Young
Joe Montana stuff would be crazy if we had inside
access and cameras behind that, But I think that would
be elite football content. The drama, though, I've heard stories
some of the Niners usually get in trouble and get off.
I mean it was it was a little like the
wild wild West around here too with the forty Niners.
But I don't think it'd be quiet as crazy. Uh,
now you're asking the wrong guy. I'd watch anything The

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USC Trojans number four, Pete Carroll. The USC Trojans in
the mid two thousands were basically like an NFL team.
You had championships, you had Heisman's you had agents, you
had women, and you had money. You had now vacated
basically everything that happened under that time because it was
so crazy and USC in the Pact twelve and the

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West Coast football had somewhat been dead, and they threw
their hat in the ring Ohio state, the U Florida State, Michigan.
It it felt like we had fallen behind out here.
And Pete Carroll, remember was not their first choice. I
don't even think he was their second choice, kind of
lucked into getting the job. He flipped a switch and

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pushed the envelope quote unquote, maybe cheat a little bit again.
I'm pro cheating in college. Everyone worth our salt is
doing it and started kicking everyone's ass, and I mean
everyone's ass. By the time they lost to Texas, his
roster was so stacked with players it was stupid. He
had really had that thing humming by that third year
when they ended up losing. But even as time went on,

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they never they always slipped up once in a year,
but they would have teams that would have so much
NFL talent on it. It was stupid. I mean one
year their linebacking corps was like Clay Matthews, Brian Cushing,
and Raymond Luga. Every dude was drafted in the top
thirty five. Their linebacking corps. I'm not talking like three
guys on their defense went high. I'm talking about their

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linebacking corps right his teams. We don't have anything out
west that it even looks like that now. It was
just maybe I'm a little biased on this one, but
it felt like because I'm an SEC guy and my
next team will be from the SEC, they felt like
an NFL team. I mean there were stories. I remember
one year when the Niners had the number one overall pick.

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I'm pretty sure this was a national story. The conversation
was like, could the USC Trojesan and beat the San
Fransco forty Niners? Think about saying that out loud right now.
I mean, you probably have two guys on the USC
Trojans that would make the Niners right now. That was
a conversation. I was in college when that conversation happened,
And whether you agree or disagree, my answer is pretty clear. Yeah,
I'd probably take the Trojans, and I felt pretty good

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about it. I was like, I take the Trojans. You
know now, in fairness, the Niners were an embarrassment. They
This has been the transition from the de Bartelows to
the Yorks, and Pete's team was just it was like
a traveling circus. They really were. We won't ever see
anything quite like that again, at least out in the pactual.

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The Florida Gators led by urban Meyer, people act, you know,
like the SEC has been kicking everyone's asked for a
long time. I'm gonna push back a little bit now.
Most of my life they've had a really good team
or two, you know, like when I was Blee in
junior high, Spurrier had that thing role and they were
kicking everyone's but full more with Tennessee. But what they

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have now, with like four or five teams that could
legitimately win the National Championship and are just producing all
the NFL players, feels a little different than it was
probably in the mid two thousands. When Urban Meyer left
Utah and went to Florida. He up the game, and
I think like Pete Carroll upping the game out west
and bringing in hard Bob, bringing in Chip Kelly, Chris

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Peterson and just David Shaw. You know, it just made
it kind of raise the bar. I think Irvian Meyer
set the bar in the SEC and the conference owes
him a huge debt of gratitude. Now his team, in
the team I'm talking about, you could argue might be
as equally as entertaining as the USC Trojans. They won rings.

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They had a murderer on their team. They had Tim
Tebow on their team. I mean they had guys from
Percy Harvin to Ray mc donald. I mean it basically
got kicked out of the league two just good players, right,
uh like, uh, I can't. I mean they have so
many pros, the Pouncy Brothers, The amount of star players

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that went through Florida on Urban Meyer's watch staggering, just
like he did with Ohio State. I mean, just producing
pro after pro after pro after pro. Now, Tebow was
probably the most polarizing one, and you know, forever he
became like the standard of what to talk about. But
their teams were pretty unreal. And remember I think that

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kind of forced Alabama's hand to get Nick Saban, and
then Nick Saban took it to another level and then
every SEC conference, you know, program has followed suit. But
that team with Urban Meyer for those two or three
years the cheating going on there. Uh, the stuff off
the field going on there, the winning on the field,
the domination on the field, see what you want. I

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mean Hernandez dead now, and he murdered people and he's
just total scumbag. He was an elite player. I mean
an elite player, and that's at every position they had
guys like him. It was not a fair fight. They
had dudes, and I mean dudes everywhere. And I think

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so I went Pats one nineties Cowboys to Eddie de
Bartalo forty Niners kind of encompasses twenty years. Pete Carroll
USC Trojans mid two thousand's and the Urban Meyer Florida
Gators is my top five documentaries that I'd like to
see in football. Okay, let's hit a Middlecoff mail back
at John Middlecoff Instagram d ms wide open and uh

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slide up in them same as my Twitter handle my name.
Considering the high bust rate or lack of top performers
of first round quarterback picks, why don't more teams trade
down to ful film multiple spots or take a stet
at a position where you can have more guys in
the case they aren't elite since you can only have
one quarterback, there's no room for air at that position.

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Whereas even Clowney, who doesn't live up to the hype,
but it's still a productive player, especially now fill out
the roster plugg in a quarterback like cousins Tyrod, Taylor Bridgewater.
I don't get why teams keep rolling the dice on
high picks at quarterback that hit or miss. Just check
the last twenty years of first round quarterbacks, most made
no impact. Great question, it's why why does anyone bet

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Parlay's right? Why? Why have I invested in some kind
of low money marijuana stocks right now hoping to hit
it big? You know, because if you hit it big
on quarterback, it changes your franchise. Why did the Andy
Reid in the Chiefs and Beach trade up to get
my Homes? Why did the Texans trade up to get

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uh Deshaun Watson? Why did the Jets trade up to
get They didn't know it at the time, but they
end up getting Sam Donald, or the Bills trade up
to get Josh Allen or the Eagles to get Carson Wentz.
Because if you hit even before you know what the
guy's gonna look like, you're hoping to get a star
and if you have a star quarterback, you have a
good team. It's really that simple, Nami, NFL teams that

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have star quarterbacks aren't good. Doesn't happen. I mean, if
you have a star quarterback who is a legit player,
you're gonna always be good. I'm with you. I I
think some when you trade up for non star guys
or guys they don't have star attributes, I think that's
where you're get in trouble. But I'll never fault a
team for going on into the quarterback because the quarterback

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is more important than being deep other places. Because if
you're deep other places, your quarterback's average. Like the Minnesota Vikings,
I'm gonna kick your ass in the playoffs. I just
am now. Just because you have a stud quarterback like
Deshaun Watson doesn't mean you're gonna win the playoffs. Chiefs
beat him. You know, look at the Titans. They had
a good team, they got they got beat. Star quarterbacks
tend to win more big games than non star quarterbacks.

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So it's really that simple that when you do hit
on the guy. That's why does everyone go star chasing
in basketball, Because if I get Steph Currier, I get
your honest or I get James Harden. I'm always gonna
be good, you know. And I think star quarterbacks are
a lot like starr NBA players. They change your franchise
now when you miss because they cost so much to

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attain right, whether you trade up to get him, whether
you sign him as a free agent, it could be
pretty devastating. Let's talk Gators. Next year, they played LSU
as good as anybody minus Baman and Clemson, and I've
been on the rise since Mullen got there. I don't
think there are many players, there are many people's radar,
but Trash coming in mid season last year was such
a big improvement after Franks went down. He looks good.

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If he improves half as much as Burrow did in
eighteen and nineteen, I really think they got a shot
at the SEC check out pits to dude balls. First
round talent for sure. So thoughts on the Gators. Full disclosure,
I'm a home or Gainesville resident, but actually sing our
offense improved with Trash last year was such a treat
after years of scraping by wins in the East with
the shittiest offense you've ever seen your we objectively look

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better or pretty good. Last year with Trask really hoping
we play. UH want to see the what the young
man can do. I don't know if you guys, if
you haven't during quarantine. Uh last year hard Docks did
four college programs. They did Florida with Mullen, they did

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Penn State with James Franklin, they did uh Mike Leach
in Texas Tech, and they did one other school that
I can't remember now, but I watched the Florida and
my takeaway was Mom's a really good coach. And I
was watching some of the Alex Smith he's sixty and

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they were doing things. When Urban Meyer showed up at Utah,
he didn't think Alex Smith was that good. Changed his
career around. He became an All American and went number
one overall. Whose offensive coordinator Mullin, who went with him
to Florida the first time, Mullen who went at Mississippi State. Mullen.
I think Mullin's big time. I think Mullen xes and
oswy Eyes is better than Kirby Smart. Now. I think
Kirby Smart is a big time recruiter and I think

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he's a good raw ra leader type. You know, he's
like a poor man saving. But even Savings and the
lad X and those guys, that's I'm not even putting
the same breath of saving. But I think Mullin has
a chance. Like Eddie, Oh, he's a leader. I think
Eddio is a better version of what Kirby Smart is.
I think Jimbo Fisher, you know, is a good XS
and O scheme guy, just like uh Gus smells on.

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I think Mullen could be that. And you're gonna get
elite talent at Florida. I can't pretend to know their
roster inside it out, but I'm with you when I've
watched them last year, they really made strides. I think
the East is becoming a lot better. Obviously the West
had eleven first rounders this year. Well, the East Tennessee's
on the come. I've been getting just seen on Twitter.
They're landing all these five star recruits. But Jeremy Fruit

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is not bad. Georgia is just stacked. Kentucky not bad
at all. They produced a bunch of NFL guys, and
Florida's is good. There's a chance though Stoops is good. Now,
I'd rather have Mullen than Stups, But I think Stud
is really good. I mean, he wanted eleven games of
Kentucky couple years ago. That's an incredible accomplishment. Kirby solid,
but he took over. You know, it has a little

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bit of a feel, a little different like when Chip
took over for Mike Ballotti at Oregon. You know, Kirby
did not take over Vanderbilt, right, Kirby did not take
over Oregon State. He took over Georgia. They had been
in the SEC championship game five years ago before he
took over. Now he's done a really good job. They've
been in consistent top ten. He's recruiting like a mofo.

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But I'd rather have If you told me who did
you want for the next five years, I'd probably lean Mullen.
So you got the right coach, and if you got
the right coach in football, you got a chance to
win big. Since every team has settled at quarterback apparently,
and most have very little cap space with the Cowboys
possibly negotiate a better deal with Dac if they just
rescinded his franchise tag and have him negotiate in the market.

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It's funny I tweeted this out last week. I said,
why wouldn't the cow Boys resend the franchise tag and
just go Dak, here's your offer? Five years, a hundred million,
five million dollars a year. Who is paying Dak Prescott money?
And I got a bunch of people, the Colts, the Raiders.
Have you googled how much salary cap space these people have?
The culture paying Philip Rivers twenty five million dollars. That

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is not happening. The Jaguars are not signing Dak Prescott,
Jon Gruden that they've already spent all their money. Where
where would Dak Prescott get thirty million dollars a year? Now?
It's kind of a dick move, right, Uh, you don't
treat your quarterbacks like that, but you could argue already
when you're playing him along like this on the franchise tag,

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kind of shows you what you think of him. I
I would think about doing that, to be honestly, I
don't think that's crazy at all. Now. I don't think
Jerry Jones is going to do that, but I wouldn't
be critical of him if he did. I've been listening
to podcast to love your analysis. Do you think the
Ravens can win fourteen game games again, given that they

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have the easiest schedule in the league. Uh, I would
lean no. I mean most times, when you look at
the Patriots run most you win twelve, you go twelve
and four, you have a really good team. Most teams
don't go back to back fourteen wins, especially when they're
predicated on running the football. Now, people have been asking

(43:22):
me this, like, how much time do you spend it
off in the off season preparing for your opponents? Well,
most teams definitely prepare either for early opponents or their division.
I would imagine Cleveland, I would imagine Pittsburgh, and I
would imagine the Bengals. Maybe not the Bengals, but definitely
Cleveland and Pittsburgh would be running looks in practice against

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the Ravens offense, so they couldn't just run the option
right through your you know, until the cows come home
and run for three yards on your ass. Now, because
there's no offseason, all the coaches have probably put together
the tape and the scouting reports, but you're not able
to rep it on the practice field. And then once
training camp hits, you have so much else to accomplish.

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I don't know how much time you have, so maybe
they'll be better just as good early, but maybe it
comes slows down a little bit as the season goes on.
I would imagine, though, they're not going to be fourteen
and two again. Even though the Chiefs managed to keep
twenty of twenty two starters at the Super Bowl, they
don't have a perfect roster. Last year, I felt like

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they were exceptional. I feel like our exceptional safety play
between Honey Badger and Thornhill covered up below average cornerbacks
as the linebackers. What do you think the Chief's biggest
hole in their roster is and who could fix it? Well,
it definitely was linebacker speed, and they drafted the guy
at the end of the second round, Willie Gate Jr.
Who should immediately help that. And I think their corner
play should be better this year in the scheme after

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the schedule being released, what is your record prediction for
the Chiefs. I feel like they have a team with
a great existing chemistry, will be a huge advantage in
our first part of the season facing some of our
more difficult opponents, which are early. Yeah, I mean I
think the chief win twelve or thirteen games. I mean
I think they're going to be the cream of the
crop in the f C, and they're the clear team
to beat, and I would I like them more than
Baltimore regardless of what happens Week three? Do you think

(45:11):
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers of Tampa are getting a little
too much hype? Tom Brady has not proven that he
still has the top end you're left in him, and
the team has established losing culture for the last decades.
Thanks uh. I look at them differently just because they
have an elite coach and Bruce Arians. The moment he
showed up in the joke franchise of the Arizona's Cardinals,
he started winning. He started kicking everyone's ass. First year

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when Pete Carroll and Jim Harbaugh had two teams that
went to the NFC Championship, his team went ten and six.
He just belongs when he shows up, he belongs. His
quarterback through thirty interceptions, thirty interceptions and he wons seven games.
Think of what an accomplishment that was. If if they
could have just cut that at twenty five, they might

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have been nine and seven. So I think it's coaching
staffs elite. I think Bruce Arians is elite. I think
if Tom is just if Pete tom Brady is a
percent like the great, the goat, the you know, the
guy that led to come back against Atlanta, the guy
that uh, you know through five plus yards against the Eagles.
If that's a hundred, if he can just give Tampa

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seventy or eighty or Tampa, if he can give Tampa
eight of that, they'll be good enough. Because last year
Jim Jamis was fifty of the percent of that, like
Jamis was a train wreck. I made this account just
to ask you a question. Which offense do you prefer
Peyton Manning with average receivers or Mr Whisky with Jerry Rice,
Randy Moss, Westwoker. If you want someone on the slot,

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Adrian Peterson, all in their primes. Basically, how much do
you think the receiver elevates a quarterback? So would I'd
rather have Peyton Manning with average wide receivers. And when
you think about it, he's never really had average wide receivers,
Like think of all the guys that he had in Indie,
from Marvin to Reggie to Austin Colley to Dallas Clark
Edgar and James Die like he and then when he

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goes to Denver. They have Damarius Thomas, they got Julius Thomas,
they signed West Welker, they got Emmanuel Sanders. He's always
played with really, really good players. Now would I take
my chance with Mitt Robiskie, with Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Welker,
Adrian Peterson. Yes, I would probably do that, And if

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Mitch was just terrible, I would go to my backup.
I think it would be hard to suck with those guys.
I mean I would probably do that. Now, maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe if I thought about that longer. That's type content.
I'm here for great question, big Cowboys fan, looking for
a Cowboys season prediction, and specifically a CD prediction. Are
we looking at the next desk? Thanks? Uh? I would

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say ten and six, and I would say c D
catches sixty balls. It's hard for a rookie to have
put up huge numbers, especially in an offense that's gonna
give the ball to Zeke a lot, that's also gonna
throw it to a Mario and Gallop a lot. So
they're they do have a lot of offensive players, right,
A Marius. Since it's been a Dallas averaged you know,
a year and a half, you know, if you if

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you put it out and really his entire career average
around seventy five catches a year, and think about Maris underachieved.
Zeke gets a ton of touches. So if CD gets
twenty targets now, it's probably too many. Hundred targets sixty
catches ratio seems a little crazy, maybe less. I think
it'll be hard to look up and see Ceedee Lamb

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have eight ninety catches. I just usually doesn't happen for
a rookie. Last year the number and we had a
good rookie receiving class A J. Brown, DK Metcalf, Deebo Samuel.
I think that the leading rookie receiver got fifty eight balls.
So I look at the Cowboys and Eagless playoff teams
just like this year. Uh they both got injured and
the Cowboys lost a bunch of games, but they both

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those two teams should have been playoff teams. Uh. So
I got I go ten and six big swing games.
Though the NFC East plays the NFC West, it'll act
will be harder for Philly and Dallas because you don't
just play the Niners in Seattle, you also play the Rams,
who I mean, the Rams don't suck. And Kyler Murray,
who's just kind of little. I mean, he's a scary

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little guy to play. As a two thousand and seventeen
Texas Tech grad, I was lucky to get to watch
Mahomes live his entire collegiate career. I remember being floored
that the Bears passed on Watson and Mahomes for an
unproven one year starter. Do you think the Bears got
cute trying to outsmart the league and screwed themselves, or
do you think your bisky pick was truly just a
bad evaluation by the franchise. Well, at least you're admitting

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your little biased I think that taking your Bisky over
Mahomes was not crazy at all. I actually think it
was the right move at the time. In theory, taking
him over Watson's a little nuts because you basically are
taking We've got two quarterbacks coming out of the A SEC.
One guy has been a multiple year starter, been a
multiple national championships, and just beat Alabama on a walk
off touchdown and through a combined like yards in two

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games against Alabama and national championship games. The other guy
was a one year starter. So that that one's hard. Now,
Watson is a much better player than I thought he
would be. You know, he doesn't have a great arm,
but he's just he's got it. He just he just
has it, you know. Sometimes he just like Russell Wilson,

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throws an elite dee ball. He has a powerful, powerful arm.
Now he has it qualities, but he actually his physical
tools are He's very athletic. He can just throw ropes.
DeSean doesn't have a great arm. He just he just
got it. I don't really, you know, And that's I
I can't totally hate. I mean, I understand it, you know.

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I mean I would have taken Watson over Trabisky, but
I also like kind of like Trabisky coming out. It
looks terrible. There's no way around it looks terrible. What
do you think the NFL moving to Christmas Day? Was
there some sort of gentleman men's agreement between the NBA
and NFL that has been ignored? Personally, I love it

(51:07):
and will become three games somewhere Thanksgiving within five years. Yeah,
there's no gentleman's agreement. I I don't think the NFL
cares at all about the NBA. Uh, they would take
the every ounce of the NBA's revenue if they could.
It's just a dog eat dog world. And I think
the Roger Goodell in the league season opening, they see

(51:27):
they see a wounded animal and they're they're a lion
on the prairie and they're going to eat And if
that animal can either find safety and somehow figure it out,
but if they don't, the line is gonna eat them.
And that line is the NFL. And that little gazelle
the NBA is not a little gazelle. It's a big gazelle.
But it's limping right now and that line is coming

(51:48):
after it. So we better find some safety faster. It's
gonna get eaten. With the last dance on part of
me wants to believe that mj is the goat of
all goats. Before this doc, it's always been Tom Brady
in my eyes, I just wanted your opinion. Love the show.
I would say the biggest difference between Tom Brady and

(52:08):
Michael is Tom was an underdock right he was pick.
He was not a starter in college. Michael Jordan's hit
the game winning shot the National Championship as a freshman
at North Carolina, but like once they've got to the league,
they are just relentless in their pursuit of greatness. And

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I think Tom could kind of be an asshole to guys,
just like Mike. But I also you noticed, like most
of the teammates love playing with Mike, most guys love
playing with Tom even though he's on them hard. Now
there's an element in football with Belichick plays a role
to stay on your where It's a little different basketball.
Like Michael was kind of the hard ass, Phil was
kind of balanced it. Uh. I would give the slight

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edge to Michael, but I think Tom is a close second.
I I would go in my lifetime Tiger. I would
go Michael one Tiger to Tom three as just outlier
badass killers. I mean, just there too on a different
level to dominate. And I would this doc has been

(53:10):
great to Michael and the REP and solidified everything we
think of it. I think Tom Brady, We've seen Tom.
The guy is a nut. He eats avocado ice cream
to try to stay skinny to play football. And I
don't know, Michael smokes cigars and drinks alcohols. Do you know.
Michael wasn't in the health kick, but he was into
working out, So maybe you'd argue Tiger or I mean

(53:32):
Tiger too, but Tom dedicated more of his life to
basket or to football than Tiger than Uh, Michael did
the basketball I got Tiger on. That's why I keep
saying him on Golf Channel. It's like replaying some old
PGA Tour championship that he won in like, but all
those guys just Tom's probably the most extreme, even more

(53:53):
than Tiger. You would say Michael's the least extreme. Now,
he worked out hard, but he wasn't like changing his diet.
I mean Tom eats. Tom basically eats like air, Like
what is how does Tom function? But he does I
mean a pliability. I was called ice cream, no tomatoes,
Uh water, It's crazy, but it works. I mean Tom

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probably the most extreme with all that stuff, and he's
playing the latest I mean golf you can play forever.
My Michael was done playing at the retired at thirty four,
and he came back for the Wizards, but it wasn't
the same. He couldn't have kept winning championships at that age.
Pretty remarkable with Tom's done. Uh, they're all just in
the on the pantheon of legendary goats. Appreciate everyone listening

(54:35):
and UH, have a great week and I will talk
to you. I'll talk to you Friday. Peace audios, got
speed and
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