February 9, 2024 • 27 mins
First, Doug explains why the Mountain West should get more teams into the tournament than the ACC and Pac-12. Then, he’s joined by Boise State Senior Sixth-Year Guard Max Rice to discuss dropping 35 in New Mexico’s notoriously hostile ‘Pit’, how he bounced back after a tough loss to Utah State, if he ever considered transferring for his final year.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome, and I'm Doug Gotti.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
This is all fault and I'll give this all ball.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I come up with Max Rice after his thirty five
point performance in a win at the pit.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Now, personally, I have a great relationship with Max.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
You know, I've done a ton of mountain less games
throughout his career, and I almost it's weird, right, Like
there's some people who come across in my business who
they're just Maybe it's because he's a coach's son, he's
been around it. But from the moment he shut up
at Boise like he wasn't a regular college kid, you know,
and he didn't give a shit about the media, and
(00:42):
that's something didn't bother him in terms of doing it.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It's just very, very comfortable, and.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
It reminds me another guy who I've I've kind of
befriended and cheer for is Stephen Ashworth at at Utah State.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
There's just a level of emotional maturity if you have.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
What's interesting is going into that game BJ Range, who
covers boys to you, I also consider a friend, but
he's like the guy for Boise State basketball. I guess
Max was pissed because Max hadn't been shooting well or
playing well.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
And BJ kind of game the business a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I'm not really sure in what context, but Max kind
of iced outlocal reporters. But I mean, that's just it
really like it's like talking to a thirty five year
old man. So I think the Mountain West is fascinating.
So let me just kind of give you a couple
thoughts here as we head into this interview. Look, it's
an unbound schedule, and I thought, you know, Utah State
(01:35):
and Nevadas surprised everybody in the non conference UTAs date,
probably more so because they had so many defections. Nevada's
got an old team and both played not a soft
non conference schedule, but not anything really challenging. And then
because of where they're thought to be in the league,
their league schedule isn't as difficult as some others. Right,
(01:55):
you're not playing I don't know, I don't have in
front of me to play.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
If you played New Mexico twice, in San Diego State twice. Really,
that's how you know if somebody thinks you're gonna be good.
If you played Caloro State twice, Sandy State twice, and
New Mexico twice and maybe Buoise twice. Like, those are
the best teams in the league, and the best teams
play the best teams gets what TV wants. So I
don't know who wins the league. I mean, I think
it ends up being San Diego State. They're not as
dominant as they were last year, but there's parts of them.
(02:20):
You know, they've changed up their lineup several times, and
they've had some impressive wins of life. Utah State losing
and home of Nevada was surprising, but that kind of
even it's out for the fact that they shouldn't have
beat in UNLB, you know, they just shouldn't have. And
now Utah State their schedule gets a little bit more difficult.
We'll see where that lands Nevada, you know, they're off
the deathbed and now kind of back as players. You
have Colorado State, great non conference, probably state tournament team. Oh,
(02:43):
they have some weird losses. You got Utah State, who
now all of a sudden they've lost a couple and
will see how they bounce back with some of their
bigger games on the schedule. And then you have New
Mexico who is kind of swimming along great at home,
not as good on the road, and then they lose
at home to and of course, boys see a team
that you know, a Dagenheart and Max Rice. That's a
(03:04):
good group, and it took them a while to kind
of figure it out. Like I don't think it's crazy
to think this league he had five teams in and
I don't think it's crazy at all. I mean, look
around the country. The ACC is not good. It's just
not nothing you're new to to prove otherwise. The Pac
twelve is not good. The West is massively down at
the top. The middle is still really good, Like you know,
(03:27):
Santa Clara is good, well, marymount is still disappointing, Pepperdine
is not very good. Obviously losing BYU hurts them. But
gon Zach is not a dominant team anymore. And Saint
Mary's has cranked it up another undefeated league and probably
wins the league. That's a one and maybe two bid league,
but probably a one bid league. So whatever you want
to think about the Mountain West, however good they actually
are by the end of the year because you have
(03:48):
some older teams that were ahead of the curve. Whatever
it is like based upon the metrics they belong in,
and then based upon just kind of the eye test
of like watching of these other teams, it's like, seriously,
what about the ACC deems those teams worthy?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
About the Big Ten?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I mean, look, do I think that Michigan State is
an NCAA tourment team?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Do they play ridiculously hard schedule, Sure, But there's plenty
of teams in the Big Ten that I guess we
put on the bubble that we're pathetic in the non conference,
And isn't that how we judge the good teams are
kind of a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Anyway, The season's shaping up to be a fascinating I
also want to talk post trade deadline stuff and who
I like and who I don't like, but we'll get
into that in future pods. In the meantime, enjoy this
is me catching up with Max Rice. Remember they had
just beaten New Mexico on the road to drop thirty
five points. I think it's like a second or third
shoty shot in airball. He's talking shit to the crowd.
Max is the best dude. You'll love this.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Here's Boise State star senior guard Max Rice.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Max.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Let's let's start with coming into the year, Right, You've
been doing this a long time, right, and Tyson's one
of your closest friends. You're playing for your dad, but
you've been doing it a long time. Coming here, is
there any sense of like, am I really gonna do
this again?
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, definitely coming back for a sixth year. People know
who you are and going through the process again is
just sometimes it gets repetitive, but if you love the game,
it'll be worth it in the end, and games like
like last night I had make it worth it. So
I think it's a great decision for me to come back,
and I'm really enjoying the journey.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Okay, So what's it been like? You know, it hasn't
you guys didn't get off to the start you wanted.
What's what's this year been like for you?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I mean after I think I had a really good
year last year, and coming into this year, I think
a lot of the teams I've played I know my
game a lot more just because of the year I
had last year, and they've done a great job kind
of taking away the shots that I feel like I've
been getting in the past. So, I mean, it's hasn't
been perfect. For me, but I feel like I'm slowly
(05:55):
getting better and getting back to some of those shots
of it hidden.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Okay, so the pit now look one of the things. Obviously,
it's probably the historically significant place in the league, but
the league has all kinds of different kind of cool
venues in terms of places you enjoy playing before last night,
right like, you drop thirty five and you're the only
team to beat New Mexico on their home floor, that
immediately becomes like your favorite road place to play. But
(06:20):
coming into last night, you've played all these places in
the league. What's your favorites?
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah, there's so many good ones.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
In the Mountain West, I've always enjoyed playing at Viejas Arena.
They got some great fans down there. They're respectful, but
they're also they really care, and they're super loud the spectrum,
I'd say they're really loud, not as much respectful, but
play there, they got some fans who also really care.
(06:48):
And then the list just goes on and on. Playing
in Laramies, I've always played pretty well there. That's been fun.
And then the Pit obviously is the pinnacle of all
of them, just because of the history they have there
and and everything they got going for them. So the
Mountainless has just been a goumt this year, and playing
in these road venues for my last time has been
(07:09):
an honor.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting you mentioned Laramie. You're old enough.
You played before they redid the place, right, I.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Don't think I'm.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Not.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
It's not that it's they just got redone like four
years ago. Maybe I think, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I don't know. I didn't even know.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
That's that's that ends this old you can't remember anymore.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, no, exactly, I've been here too long, but I was.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
I've been Bois so long. Linder was in.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Boise when I was Bois, so that's crazy and what
they do.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
So yeah, okay, so previous to last night, how would
you played in the pit? Uh?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I mean not so much in the I haven't played
that good in the pit, But I mean I like
playing against their style just because they love to get
up and down, and I feel like the more open
opportunities I get, obviously, the better it is. And they've
they've lost me a couple of times in transition, and
I feel like that's got me going. I think that's
(08:06):
my second career high I've set against them, which is
awesome considering they're a top twenty team. But Platino's a
great coach and I love playing against them and they compete.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
So okay, so what's it like? So I try and
tell people all the time, but you actually experienced it
in playing there. Okay, so if you had to, Okay,
first you pull up, it kind of looks like a
costco right, it's not right, it's not one of these buildings.
You're like, wow, it's just kind of a box that
says the pit on the side, right, Is that a
(08:38):
fair description?
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And then when you walk in, you go there's a
huge mountain you got to go down just to get
to the core, and it's kind of intimidating. But yeah,
you're right about the looking at it from the outside.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So you're in there and you know they have that
big ramp. Now, did somebody get the ball to So
one of the things that most teams do is you
roll balls up and down the ramp to see if
you can get it all the way up the ramp, right,
because the ramp feel it feels like it's a mile long.
It's probably I don't know, what do you think? How
long do you think that rat? How wrong is that ramp?
I know a couple hundred feet long?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Pretty long? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Did anybody get the volve the ramp?
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
We One of our red cher sophomores, Kobe Young, got
it up there. And from what I've heard, only like
I think Kawhi, Leonard, Paul George, some of the big
name guys that I've seen do it, John Tanja did
it last year, and.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah, Kobe Kobe Young to the illustrious list of of
John Tanjay and uh Kawhi and Kawhi Leonard okay, so
and Paul George and Paul George right, which one of
these is not like the other? So, you guys lose
a heartbreaker to Utah State on Saturday at home? Okay,
(09:46):
So honestly, like, what's the feeling like when you're warm,
you're warming up, they're yelling at you. Give me what
was going on your mind? The truth of what was
going on your mind?
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Yeah, Well, after that I lost to Utah State.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
It was probably one of the longer weeks I've had,
just because my own our own media turned on me.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
We had I had.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Fans in my DM all sorts of just negativity around
me and Bernie got into it at one point. Uh,
just just all sorts of bad things going on. And
I knew going down to the pit, I felt like
I approached the game like if we didn't win, I
couldn't come back to Boise, you like, I wouldn't be
welcome here. So I mean I had sleepless nights. I
(10:28):
felt like it was the biggest game of my career
just going into it. That's how I was approaching it.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
And it just felt so good to have that hard
work payoff.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
And and finally have some of.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Those shots going, and especially after a big loss, coming
off a big loss to Utah State, so.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
So so people turning why because you don't we didn't
play well?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Just because I mean, it's just weird like college basketball,
like fans are so into it.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Not that I didn't play well, I just haven't. I've
been missing some shots I usually hit. I feel like,
and I don't know, they're just people, you know how
it is you played in college just people betweeting and.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
But but I didn't have I didn't have social media.
Like I knew people were hating, you know, and I
knew people make comments. But I didn't live in the era. One,
I didn't live in the air of social media. Two,
I wasn't the coach's son, right, Yeah, no, not in college.
I played for Eddy Sutton College. My dad was my age,
but I never played in college for your dad is
(11:30):
different than playing au for your dad, That's right. I mean,
it's it's hard what you've experienced, Okay, is Steve Alford.
Steve Alfer's dad would said this. So, Steve Alfer's dad
coached him in high school and he said, at the
start of Mike, it's the start of his Career's freshman year,
people would boo when I put him in, and then
(11:53):
by his senior year they would boo me when I
took him out. Right, that's like the old that's like
the ultimate, uh coaching your kid experience. And for the
most part, you've had that. But when things don't go well,
you know you're going to get to blame, right, That's
kind of the way it works.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I feel like everything I do is amplified on another level.
Like if we lose, it's my fault. If we win,
it's my fault. Like, uh, no matter how I play. Yeah,
I feel like it's amplified a little bit, and I
knew what I signed up for, So I mean it
kind of just puts the chip on my shoulder and
sometimes I played better because of it.
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Speaker 1 (12:40):
Was there ever a thought like your dad, he's close
with Feui obviously being a former assistant. You guys got
so many friends at the coaching landscape. Was there ever
a thought like, hey, what if I just went and
played a senior year for somebody else?
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Oh? I mean if if he if Leon came up
to me and said, I think you're better off to
do this, I would definitely consider it, just because I
go on vacation with Y every every summer to Mauley,
and he was I don't know if he was joking
or what, but most of that trip he was trying
to get me to come play for him. I don't know,
(13:14):
I don't know if he was a kidding, but that
definitely was on my mind, just because I think it's
growing up watching the Zaggs.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
It would have been really cool to.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Go experience that as a player, but my loyalties obviously
with my dad, and uh, I think it's gonna pay
off this year for sure.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Okay, so last night you're like, we got to win
this game where I can't go home. And then didn't
you shoot air ball your first shot?
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I think first or second shot a little nerve yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
And then they're chaining airball air ball and Snake sitting
there looked like he was going to literally tear your
your your throat out. When'd you feel like you gotta
go in?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
I mean, going into the game, I knew even if
I missed, I was going to keep shooting All week.
I saw some stuff like he shouldn't he shouldn't be
shooting this much, he shouldn't be doing this. So I
was going into the game proven a point. Whether I
was gonna make it or miss, I was gonna shoot it.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Uh. So you had you had these people thinking about
the mom mentality you had to fuck you mentality, right,
fuck you asoot going.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
To that game that was That's kind of my mindset, like, uh, basically,
I'm gonna find a way to win this game, regardless
of how many shots I take or Uh, just whatever happened,
I was going to find a way.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
When was the last time you had that same kind
of approach, that's the same feeling.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Uh, well, comparable game that I probably compare to that
one with Santigas State last year. Uh, just because we've
had some great bows at them and then they ended
up going to the National Championship and all that.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
So that game was top.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Three of my probably favorites, and then that pit one
was definitely up there.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
So you win, you dropped?
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Thirty five? Thirty five Ty Crew High describe that feeling
when the buzzer sounds, the people are super quiet, they're
walking out, they're grabbing their they're grabbing their coats and
they're walking out. What's that feeling like?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah, that's a great feeling. One thing I remember from
the game with seven minutes left, I just remember holding
up the guys like this is the biggest seven minutes
of our season, Like this could put us realistically above
the bubble and make our lives a lot easier if
we can just close this one out. Because I didn't
think anyone else in the league is going to be
able to win in the pitch just because of how
(15:36):
good they've been playing there the previous five games. I
think they won by an average of more than twenty points.
And there's nothing better than the winning.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
On the road.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
There's a great quote from Larry Stacey.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I don't know if you.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Remember him, legendary coach. He's on our staff now. Actually
I don't even think I can say it, but it
was one of the most legendary quotes he said in
the film the other day, and it inspired us to
get to get that road win.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
What is so you can tell tell me what what
do you What do you say? I will tell you
my expression on road winds is road winds are better
than sex, because.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
It was right.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I say it's true, rodwins are better than sex. And
the reason is right. It's that same sort of feeling,
only you can actually tell people about it and talk
about it for like years to come, Like you know
you're gonna be You're gonna be forty or forty five,
have your own kids, and you're gonna be whether coaching
or broadcast or whatever, and people are like, hey, Max,
remember that night in the pit, right, you can talk
(16:32):
about you still have that same feelings where you're not
gonna like Hey, Max, remember that night and Boise with
that girl like that, It just saysn't you don't share
it that much with friends?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
So anyway, it's like teammate, my Mormon teammate was sitting
behind me in.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
The summer and he's like, God, it sex that good geez.
You'll find out.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Some day some day. Now, people don't know Boise is
at twenty seven hundred feet altitude, right, so you're you're
half a mile up, but you know, you play in Laramie,
you know, it's just it's ridiculously high, right, and you
play in the pit. Did you do you did you
feel the effects at all? Like did you the long
start burning late?
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Oh? Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (17:15):
And I remember during the game, Tabouzo came out to
me like can you breathe? Like it's elevation has really
hitting me and and it definitely has an effect, especially when.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
You pair that with uh New Mexico's pace of play.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I think they're top five in the country and effective
pace or something like that.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
So you you.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Put those two things together and that's a formula for
disaster for the road team. But I thought we did
a great job controlling the pace most of the game.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
A couple of bad turnovers.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
I had a couple of bad ones, but other than that,
I thought we did a great job blowing the game
down and kind of taking away their advantages with their
pace and elevation.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
All Right, you got you air Force come next, so
you got to guard to Princess style. Then next week,
what a week at Colorado State in fok Co And
then you go to Spectrum, which, as you said, they're
not not that polite and they're really really good and
you guys just lost them in a heartbreaker in overtime. Okay,
so what what's what's Let's start with uh, Fort Collins.
(18:15):
What's that place like to play in in in Moby.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Oh, that one's awesome.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
They're their students are really loud, their fan base is great,
they're having a great year. And uh, with probably the
best point guard in the nation, Ia Stevens, that's going
to be a very difficult one. And then uh, let's
get you calling the game in the Spectrum. I want
you to see that one firsthand, because I don't think
you understand how much they hate me. It's it's I
don't know what I did to them, but it's actually insane.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Okay, So what so what do they what do they say?
Speaker 5 (18:43):
What?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
What's the what's the crazy shit you've heard from the
from from the folks and logan.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Oh, they do all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Every time the Mountain West Instagram page posts anything with
like me in it, they'll flood the comments of five
hundred and six hundred people just saying I hate Max Trice,
Max Trice, give me cancer, my grandpa. All sorts of
stuff like that. Uh. And then when we play there,
they make sign they edit me and Leon kissing each other.
(19:10):
They find they go to my mom's Instagram, they find
old pictures of me.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
As a kid. Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
They have a Max Trice tantrum tracker.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
They got all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Well, listen, the tantrum trackers better. When I played it
against Oklahoma, they had the Gottlieb brick meter right, and
so I'd missed a shot and they'd moved the brick ameter.
It was amazing. Well, I mean, you know, you don't
miss as much as I missed, and so it was
it was really easy. The first time I get interests,
I got the I got the credit cards thrown at
me the first time, and then after that it was
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after that was the it was. It was the brick
and meter. So Colorado State is just they're just good
fans and they're a fun style. You guys beat them,
by the way. That was your probably signature win before
before this one.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
And go back to the credit card.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Leo said, you stole a credit card one time?
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:59):
I was.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I was a freshman at Notre Dame, starting point guard.
We get done with the season, and yeah, my dumb ass,
I was in a dorm room. I was in somebody
else's dorm and I was working on their computer. This
is again you're trying to tell people. This is like
literally before the day's of the internet, right, we had
to like type out your stuff on the on somebody's
app Apple, like their Mac computer, and then save it
(20:25):
and then bring it in the next day or something.
And yeah, I used somebody's first. I used somebody's credit
card and then put it back so like they didn't
I thought they wouldn't know, and then did it like
two other times two other people, and then tried to
act like it was no big deal. And then when
I got home for the summer, they called me. They're like,
oh yeah, this kind of looks like you on the
(20:47):
store footage. It's shout from a high and so yeah,
that was that's why I didn't stay at Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Huh, wife of a broke college kid.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
It's all good.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I wasn't. I wasn't just stupid, not broke, you know,
just kind of arrogant and like thought people like I
remember people all the time like why'd you do it?
I was like, well, because I thought I'd get away
with it. Yeah, dumb shit. So yeah, so then, you know,
so back then it was in sports illustrators in you
know USA today, all the front page, all the papers,
(21:18):
Sporting sports, Sports Center as well, like it was a
big thing. And then you know, you kind of go away,
you go away for a year, you come back and
you know, most people you felt like didn't know. Nobody
asked you about it. People didn't know about it. And
then we go to Oklahoma and we were really like
we were surprised in the league and most of my
teammates knew something about it. And then I ran out
(21:38):
and the court got introduced and just like two thousand
credit cards came raining down from the student section.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
That's awesome. So you guys win.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
We did we did? Oh wow, we did win? Yeah? Yeah,
it's oh how things have changed? So so okay, so
you you call your dad leon? When was it? Have
you ever called him coach?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Uh? I think maybe five years ago in a game
I called him coach or and it just didn't feel right. Uh,
So I switched to Leon just because it's a good
I called him dad in a game and I remember
someone looking at me weird. So then I just started
calling him Leon. I didn't really want to call him coach.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
And I think Leon just sticks better. And I like
telling people I'm adopted anyways, it kind of it kind
of makes it easier on my life.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
So, uh, he's a big art. Is he the big
peanut butter and jelly before game guy? Or is that you?
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Is?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
It? Was it a player who turned him into He's
a big peanut butter and jelly guy?
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
He His diet is super weird, so I mean, yeah,
he eats nuts a lot. I'm sure PB and j's
he kind of eats like a kid, a little bit.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
PB and J. Maybe some cheetos, some macaroni and cheese
and and and a juice strength like a Caprice center
or something like that.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, maybe an energy drink, a little red Bull keep
them up.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Okay, you are the mayor. Now that you had thirty
five on the road, you're back to your mayorial status
in Boise. I tell people all the time Boise is
the greatest city ever, that that you're never going to visit, like,
you know, I should really go to Boise and people
don't do it, which I know people and boys like
don't tell them. It's nice. We're tired of you fuckers
moving in here. We got it. Give me the the
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best restaurant that you like going to in Boise U.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Yeah, there's a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I think Boise is the faster, fastest growing city the
last five years. So people are coming here and they're
recognizing how how amazing it is. No traffic really and
beautiful outdoors. So best place to eat I'd probably say.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
That's tough.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
My favorite place is Red Robin, But best place.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
To your favorite place is Red Robin?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
I like they do have handcrafted, handcrafted burgers. Okay, so
what's the order at Red Robin? Uh?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Probably a crispy chicken sandwich with some unlimited fries and
maybe like a nice shake or something.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
What flavor shake?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah, flatbread, flatbreads to get pizza spot.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I like, yeah, flatbreads. It's a chain. I've had it.
It's really good and it's in Uh, it's a lot
of No, it's it's it's good. Spot. What flavor shake?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Probably could getting cream solid?
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, whipped cream and cherry or just just.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
A shake whipped cream? No cherry?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Why no cherry? Just only cherries?
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I don't know a cherry guys kind of gross.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
No, it is kind of gross when you think about
it's just a weird it like visually looks cool and
then you're like, this does not fit at all. It's
no shake.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
It's kind of random.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
It is kind of random. It's one of those random
things that we've all just kind of acquiesced to and
decided that it's it's okay to have uh, okay, last
last thing for you for let you go in in
uh in your mind. Okay, if that's the perfect way
to play your last game at the pit. Okay, give
me a goal for a couple of things you want
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to do here before this sixth season comes to an end.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Well, obviously, winning an NCAA tournament game is top of
my list. If we do that, I feel like I've
really accomplished everything I could have possibly done for Boise
doing that, and then I think just just making a
nice little run.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Here at the end.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Every time we play a road game, Leon comes up
to me like, it's the last time you're going to
play here in the pit, so let's make it worth it.
And I think that's kind of been working somewhat on
the road. So winning down here on the stretch. And
my biggest thing is going into the conference tournament.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
With no sweat.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I don't like being on the bubble. Going into the
conference tournament takes off a lot of pressure because that's
when a lot of teams like just really turn it
on and that's when you.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
See a lot of these upsets.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
So just going into the conference tournament sweat free and
going into the NCAA tournament and making a final mark
on that tournament and win the game.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Well, look, man, I'm really happy for you. I know,
like you do a good job of laughing off all
the negative bullshit and whatever, but to go and drop
thirty five of the pit win the game. That was awesome.
It was really really cool and you should feel amazing.
And now keep it going, man, and I'm thankful for
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the time that you spent with us. Appreciate you join us.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I appreciate that, Gottlie, but I hope to see you
in Utah.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
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All Ball
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Deep
Welcome, and I'm Doug Gotti.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
This is all fault and I'll give this all ball.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I come up with Max Rice after his thirty five
point performance in a win at the pit.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Now, personally, I have a great relationship with Max.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
You know, I've done a ton of mountain less games
throughout his career, and I almost it's weird, right, Like
there's some people who come across in my business who
they're just Maybe it's because he's a coach's son, he's
been around it. But from the moment he shut up
at Boise like he wasn't a regular college kid, you know,
and he didn't give a shit about the media, and
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that's something didn't bother him in terms of doing it.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It's just very, very comfortable, and.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
It reminds me another guy who I've I've kind of
befriended and cheer for is Stephen Ashworth at at Utah State.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
There's just a level of emotional maturity if you have.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
What's interesting is going into that game BJ Range, who
covers boys to you, I also consider a friend, but
he's like the guy for Boise State basketball. I guess
Max was pissed because Max hadn't been shooting well or
playing well.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
And BJ kind of game the business a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I'm not really sure in what context, but Max kind
of iced outlocal reporters. But I mean, that's just it
really like it's like talking to a thirty five year
old man. So I think the Mountain West is fascinating.
So let me just kind of give you a couple
thoughts here as we head into this interview. Look, it's
an unbound schedule, and I thought, you know, Utah State
(01:35):
and Nevadas surprised everybody in the non conference UTAs date,
probably more so because they had so many defections. Nevada's
got an old team and both played not a soft
non conference schedule, but not anything really challenging. And then
because of where they're thought to be in the league,
their league schedule isn't as difficult as some others. Right,
(01:55):
you're not playing I don't know, I don't have in
front of me to play.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
If you played New Mexico twice, in San Diego State twice. Really,
that's how you know if somebody thinks you're gonna be good.
If you played Caloro State twice, Sandy State twice, and
New Mexico twice and maybe Buoise twice. Like, those are
the best teams in the league, and the best teams
play the best teams gets what TV wants. So I
don't know who wins the league. I mean, I think
it ends up being San Diego State. They're not as
dominant as they were last year, but there's parts of them.
(02:20):
You know, they've changed up their lineup several times, and
they've had some impressive wins of life. Utah State losing
and home of Nevada was surprising, but that kind of
even it's out for the fact that they shouldn't have
beat in UNLB, you know, they just shouldn't have. And
now Utah State their schedule gets a little bit more difficult.
We'll see where that lands Nevada, you know, they're off
the deathbed and now kind of back as players. You
have Colorado State, great non conference, probably state tournament team. Oh,
(02:43):
they have some weird losses. You got Utah State, who
now all of a sudden they've lost a couple and
will see how they bounce back with some of their
bigger games on the schedule. And then you have New
Mexico who is kind of swimming along great at home,
not as good on the road, and then they lose
at home to and of course, boys see a team
that you know, a Dagenheart and Max Rice. That's a
(03:04):
good group, and it took them a while to kind
of figure it out. Like I don't think it's crazy
to think this league he had five teams in and
I don't think it's crazy at all. I mean, look
around the country. The ACC is not good. It's just
not nothing you're new to to prove otherwise. The Pac
twelve is not good. The West is massively down at
the top. The middle is still really good, Like you know,
(03:27):
Santa Clara is good, well, marymount is still disappointing, Pepperdine
is not very good. Obviously losing BYU hurts them. But
gon Zach is not a dominant team anymore. And Saint
Mary's has cranked it up another undefeated league and probably
wins the league. That's a one and maybe two bid league,
but probably a one bid league. So whatever you want
to think about the Mountain West, however good they actually
are by the end of the year because you have
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some older teams that were ahead of the curve. Whatever
it is like based upon the metrics they belong in,
and then based upon just kind of the eye test
of like watching of these other teams, it's like, seriously,
what about the ACC deems those teams worthy?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
About the Big Ten?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I mean, look, do I think that Michigan State is
an NCAA tourment team?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Do they play ridiculously hard schedule, Sure, But there's plenty
of teams in the Big Ten that I guess we
put on the bubble that we're pathetic in the non conference,
And isn't that how we judge the good teams are
kind of a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Anyway, The season's shaping up to be a fascinating I
also want to talk post trade deadline stuff and who
I like and who I don't like, but we'll get
into that in future pods. In the meantime, enjoy this
is me catching up with Max Rice. Remember they had
just beaten New Mexico on the road to drop thirty
five points. I think it's like a second or third
shoty shot in airball. He's talking shit to the crowd.
Max is the best dude. You'll love this.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Here's Boise State star senior guard Max Rice.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Max.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Let's let's start with coming into the year, Right, You've
been doing this a long time, right, and Tyson's one
of your closest friends. You're playing for your dad, but
you've been doing it a long time. Coming here, is
there any sense of like, am I really gonna do
this again?
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, definitely coming back for a sixth year. People know
who you are and going through the process again is
just sometimes it gets repetitive, but if you love the game,
it'll be worth it in the end, and games like
like last night I had make it worth it. So
I think it's a great decision for me to come back,
and I'm really enjoying the journey.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Okay, So what's it been like? You know, it hasn't
you guys didn't get off to the start you wanted.
What's what's this year been like for you?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I mean after I think I had a really good
year last year, and coming into this year, I think
a lot of the teams I've played I know my
game a lot more just because of the year I
had last year, and they've done a great job kind
of taking away the shots that I feel like I've
been getting in the past. So, I mean, it's hasn't
been perfect. For me, but I feel like I'm slowly
(05:55):
getting better and getting back to some of those shots
of it hidden.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Okay, so the pit now look one of the things. Obviously,
it's probably the historically significant place in the league, but
the league has all kinds of different kind of cool
venues in terms of places you enjoy playing before last night,
right like, you drop thirty five and you're the only
team to beat New Mexico on their home floor, that
immediately becomes like your favorite road place to play. But
(06:20):
coming into last night, you've played all these places in
the league. What's your favorites?
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah, there's so many good ones.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
In the Mountain West, I've always enjoyed playing at Viejas Arena.
They got some great fans down there. They're respectful, but
they're also they really care, and they're super loud the spectrum,
I'd say they're really loud, not as much respectful, but
play there, they got some fans who also really care.
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And then the list just goes on and on. Playing
in Laramies, I've always played pretty well there. That's been fun.
And then the Pit obviously is the pinnacle of all
of them, just because of the history they have there
and and everything they got going for them. So the
Mountainless has just been a goumt this year, and playing
in these road venues for my last time has been
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an honor.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting you mentioned Laramie. You're old enough.
You played before they redid the place, right, I.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Don't think I'm.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Not.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
It's not that it's they just got redone like four
years ago. Maybe I think, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
I don't know. I didn't even know.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
That's that's that ends this old you can't remember anymore.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, no, exactly, I've been here too long, but I was.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
I've been Bois so long. Linder was in.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Boise when I was Bois, so that's crazy and what
they do.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
So yeah, okay, so previous to last night, how would
you played in the pit? Uh?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I mean not so much in the I haven't played
that good in the pit, But I mean I like
playing against their style just because they love to get
up and down, and I feel like the more open
opportunities I get, obviously, the better it is. And they've
they've lost me a couple of times in transition, and
I feel like that's got me going. I think that's
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my second career high I've set against them, which is
awesome considering they're a top twenty team. But Platino's a
great coach and I love playing against them and they compete.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
So okay, so what's it like? So I try and
tell people all the time, but you actually experienced it
in playing there. Okay, so if you had to, Okay,
first you pull up, it kind of looks like a
costco right, it's not right, it's not one of these buildings.
You're like, wow, it's just kind of a box that
says the pit on the side, right, Is that a
(08:38):
fair description?
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And then when you walk in, you go there's a
huge mountain you got to go down just to get
to the core, and it's kind of intimidating. But yeah,
you're right about the looking at it from the outside.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So you're in there and you know they have that
big ramp. Now, did somebody get the ball to So
one of the things that most teams do is you
roll balls up and down the ramp to see if
you can get it all the way up the ramp, right,
because the ramp feel it feels like it's a mile long.
It's probably I don't know, what do you think? How
long do you think that rat? How wrong is that ramp?
I know a couple hundred feet long?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Pretty long? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Did anybody get the volve the ramp?
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
We One of our red cher sophomores, Kobe Young, got
it up there. And from what I've heard, only like
I think Kawhi, Leonard, Paul George, some of the big
name guys that I've seen do it, John Tanja did
it last year, and.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah, Kobe Kobe Young to the illustrious list of of
John Tanjay and uh Kawhi and Kawhi Leonard okay, so
and Paul George and Paul George right, which one of
these is not like the other? So, you guys lose
a heartbreaker to Utah State on Saturday at home? Okay,
(09:46):
So honestly, like, what's the feeling like when you're warm,
you're warming up, they're yelling at you. Give me what
was going on your mind? The truth of what was
going on your mind?
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Yeah, Well, after that I lost to Utah State.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
It was probably one of the longer weeks I've had,
just because my own our own media turned on me.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
We had I had.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Fans in my DM all sorts of just negativity around
me and Bernie got into it at one point. Uh,
just just all sorts of bad things going on. And
I knew going down to the pit, I felt like
I approached the game like if we didn't win, I
couldn't come back to Boise, you like, I wouldn't be
welcome here. So I mean I had sleepless nights. I
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felt like it was the biggest game of my career
just going into it. That's how I was approaching it.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
And it just felt so good to have that hard
work payoff.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
And and finally have some of.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Those shots going, and especially after a big loss, coming
off a big loss to Utah State, so.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
So so people turning why because you don't we didn't
play well?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Just because I mean, it's just weird like college basketball,
like fans are so into it.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Not that I didn't play well, I just haven't. I've
been missing some shots I usually hit. I feel like,
and I don't know, they're just people, you know how
it is you played in college just people betweeting and.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
But but I didn't have I didn't have social media.
Like I knew people were hating, you know, and I
knew people make comments. But I didn't live in the era. One,
I didn't live in the air of social media. Two,
I wasn't the coach's son, right, Yeah, no, not in college.
I played for Eddy Sutton College. My dad was my age,
but I never played in college for your dad is
(11:30):
different than playing au for your dad, That's right. I mean,
it's it's hard what you've experienced, Okay, is Steve Alford.
Steve Alfer's dad would said this. So, Steve Alfer's dad
coached him in high school and he said, at the
start of Mike, it's the start of his Career's freshman year,
people would boo when I put him in, and then
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by his senior year they would boo me when I
took him out. Right, that's like the old that's like
the ultimate, uh coaching your kid experience. And for the
most part, you've had that. But when things don't go well,
you know you're going to get to blame, right, That's
kind of the way it works.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I feel like everything I do is amplified on another level.
Like if we lose, it's my fault. If we win,
it's my fault. Like, uh, no matter how I play. Yeah,
I feel like it's amplified a little bit, and I
knew what I signed up for, So I mean it
kind of just puts the chip on my shoulder and
sometimes I played better because of it.
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Speaker 1 (12:40):
Was there ever a thought like your dad, he's close
with Feui obviously being a former assistant. You guys got
so many friends at the coaching landscape. Was there ever
a thought like, hey, what if I just went and
played a senior year for somebody else?
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Oh? I mean if if he if Leon came up
to me and said, I think you're better off to
do this, I would definitely consider it, just because I
go on vacation with Y every every summer to Mauley,
and he was I don't know if he was joking
or what, but most of that trip he was trying
to get me to come play for him. I don't know,
(13:14):
I don't know if he was a kidding, but that
definitely was on my mind, just because I think it's
growing up watching the Zaggs.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
It would have been really cool to.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Go experience that as a player, but my loyalties obviously
with my dad, and uh, I think it's gonna pay
off this year for sure.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Okay, so last night you're like, we got to win
this game where I can't go home. And then didn't
you shoot air ball your first shot?
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I think first or second shot a little nerve yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
And then they're chaining airball air ball and Snake sitting
there looked like he was going to literally tear your
your your throat out. When'd you feel like you gotta
go in?
Speaker 3 (13:52):
I mean, going into the game, I knew even if
I missed, I was going to keep shooting All week.
I saw some stuff like he shouldn't he shouldn't be
shooting this much, he shouldn't be doing this. So I
was going into the game proven a point. Whether I
was gonna make it or miss, I was gonna shoot it.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Uh. So you had you had these people thinking about
the mom mentality you had to fuck you mentality, right,
fuck you asoot going.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
To that game that was That's kind of my mindset, like, uh, basically,
I'm gonna find a way to win this game, regardless
of how many shots I take or Uh, just whatever happened,
I was going to find a way.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
When was the last time you had that same kind
of approach, that's the same feeling.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Uh, well, comparable game that I probably compare to that
one with Santigas State last year. Uh, just because we've
had some great bows at them and then they ended
up going to the National Championship and all that.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
So that game was top.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Three of my probably favorites, and then that pit one
was definitely up there.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
So you win, you dropped?
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Thirty five? Thirty five Ty Crew High describe that feeling
when the buzzer sounds, the people are super quiet, they're
walking out, they're grabbing their they're grabbing their coats and
they're walking out. What's that feeling like?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah, that's a great feeling. One thing I remember from
the game with seven minutes left, I just remember holding
up the guys like this is the biggest seven minutes
of our season, Like this could put us realistically above
the bubble and make our lives a lot easier if
we can just close this one out. Because I didn't
think anyone else in the league is going to be
able to win in the pitch just because of how
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good they've been playing there the previous five games. I
think they won by an average of more than twenty points.
And there's nothing better than the winning.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
On the road.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
There's a great quote from Larry Stacey.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I don't know if you.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Remember him, legendary coach. He's on our staff now. Actually
I don't even think I can say it, but it
was one of the most legendary quotes he said in
the film the other day, and it inspired us to
get to get that road win.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
What is so you can tell tell me what what
do you What do you say? I will tell you
my expression on road winds is road winds are better
than sex, because.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
It was right.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I say it's true, rodwins are better than sex. And
the reason is right. It's that same sort of feeling,
only you can actually tell people about it and talk
about it for like years to come, Like you know
you're gonna be You're gonna be forty or forty five,
have your own kids, and you're gonna be whether coaching
or broadcast or whatever, and people are like, hey, Max,
remember that night in the pit, right, you can talk
(16:32):
about you still have that same feelings where you're not
gonna like Hey, Max, remember that night and Boise with
that girl like that, It just saysn't you don't share
it that much with friends?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
So anyway, it's like teammate, my Mormon teammate was sitting
behind me in.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
The summer and he's like, God, it sex that good geez.
You'll find out.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Some day some day. Now, people don't know Boise is
at twenty seven hundred feet altitude, right, so you're you're
half a mile up, but you know, you play in Laramie,
you know, it's just it's ridiculously high, right, and you
play in the pit. Did you do you did you
feel the effects at all? Like did you the long
start burning late?
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Oh? Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (17:15):
And I remember during the game, Tabouzo came out to
me like can you breathe? Like it's elevation has really
hitting me and and it definitely has an effect, especially when.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
You pair that with uh New Mexico's pace of play.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I think they're top five in the country and effective
pace or something like that.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
So you you.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Put those two things together and that's a formula for
disaster for the road team. But I thought we did
a great job controlling the pace most of the game.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
A couple of bad turnovers.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
I had a couple of bad ones, but other than that,
I thought we did a great job blowing the game
down and kind of taking away their advantages with their
pace and elevation.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
All Right, you got you air Force come next, so
you got to guard to Princess style. Then next week,
what a week at Colorado State in fok Co And
then you go to Spectrum, which, as you said, they're
not not that polite and they're really really good and
you guys just lost them in a heartbreaker in overtime. Okay,
so what what's what's Let's start with uh, Fort Collins.
(18:15):
What's that place like to play in in in Moby.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Oh, that one's awesome.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
They're their students are really loud, their fan base is great,
they're having a great year. And uh, with probably the
best point guard in the nation, Ia Stevens, that's going
to be a very difficult one. And then uh, let's
get you calling the game in the Spectrum. I want
you to see that one firsthand, because I don't think
you understand how much they hate me. It's it's I
don't know what I did to them, but it's actually insane.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Okay, So what so what do they what do they say?
Speaker 5 (18:43):
What?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
What's the what's the crazy shit you've heard from the
from from the folks and logan.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Oh, they do all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Every time the Mountain West Instagram page posts anything with
like me in it, they'll flood the comments of five
hundred and six hundred people just saying I hate Max Trice,
Max Trice, give me cancer, my grandpa. All sorts of
stuff like that. Uh. And then when we play there,
they make sign they edit me and Leon kissing each other.
(19:10):
They find they go to my mom's Instagram, they find
old pictures of me.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
As a kid. Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
They have a Max Trice tantrum tracker.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
They got all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Well, listen, the tantrum trackers better. When I played it
against Oklahoma, they had the Gottlieb brick meter right, and
so I'd missed a shot and they'd moved the brick ameter.
It was amazing. Well, I mean, you know, you don't
miss as much as I missed, and so it was
it was really easy. The first time I get interests,
I got the I got the credit cards thrown at
me the first time, and then after that it was
(19:42):
after that was the it was. It was the brick
and meter. So Colorado State is just they're just good
fans and they're a fun style. You guys beat them,
by the way. That was your probably signature win before
before this one.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
And go back to the credit card.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Leo said, you stole a credit card one time?
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Is that true?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:59):
I was.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I was a freshman at Notre Dame, starting point guard.
We get done with the season, and yeah, my dumb ass,
I was in a dorm room. I was in somebody
else's dorm and I was working on their computer. This
is again you're trying to tell people. This is like
literally before the day's of the internet, right, we had
to like type out your stuff on the on somebody's
app Apple, like their Mac computer, and then save it
(20:25):
and then bring it in the next day or something.
And yeah, I used somebody's first. I used somebody's credit
card and then put it back so like they didn't
I thought they wouldn't know, and then did it like
two other times two other people, and then tried to
act like it was no big deal. And then when
I got home for the summer, they called me. They're like,
oh yeah, this kind of looks like you on the
(20:47):
store footage. It's shout from a high and so yeah,
that was that's why I didn't stay at Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Huh, wife of a broke college kid.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
It's all good.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I wasn't. I wasn't just stupid, not broke, you know,
just kind of arrogant and like thought people like I
remember people all the time like why'd you do it?
I was like, well, because I thought I'd get away
with it. Yeah, dumb shit. So yeah, so then, you know,
so back then it was in sports illustrators in you
know USA today, all the front page, all the papers,
(21:18):
Sporting sports, Sports Center as well, like it was a
big thing. And then you know, you kind of go away,
you go away for a year, you come back and
you know, most people you felt like didn't know. Nobody
asked you about it. People didn't know about it. And
then we go to Oklahoma and we were really like
we were surprised in the league and most of my
teammates knew something about it. And then I ran out
(21:38):
and the court got introduced and just like two thousand
credit cards came raining down from the student section.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
That's awesome. So you guys win.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
We did we did? Oh wow, we did win? Yeah? Yeah,
it's oh how things have changed? So so okay, so
you you call your dad leon? When was it? Have
you ever called him coach?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Uh? I think maybe five years ago in a game
I called him coach or and it just didn't feel right. Uh,
So I switched to Leon just because it's a good
I called him dad in a game and I remember
someone looking at me weird. So then I just started
calling him Leon. I didn't really want to call him coach.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
And I think Leon just sticks better. And I like
telling people I'm adopted anyways, it kind of it kind
of makes it easier on my life.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
So, uh, he's a big art. Is he the big
peanut butter and jelly before game guy? Or is that you?
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Is?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
It? Was it a player who turned him into He's
a big peanut butter and jelly guy?
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
He His diet is super weird, so I mean, yeah,
he eats nuts a lot. I'm sure PB and j's
he kind of eats like a kid, a little bit.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
PB and J. Maybe some cheetos, some macaroni and cheese
and and and a juice strength like a Caprice center
or something like that.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, maybe an energy drink, a little red Bull keep
them up.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Okay, you are the mayor. Now that you had thirty
five on the road, you're back to your mayorial status
in Boise. I tell people all the time Boise is
the greatest city ever, that that you're never going to visit, like,
you know, I should really go to Boise and people
don't do it, which I know people and boys like
don't tell them. It's nice. We're tired of you fuckers
moving in here. We got it. Give me the the
(23:24):
best restaurant that you like going to in Boise U.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Yeah, there's a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I think Boise is the faster, fastest growing city the
last five years. So people are coming here and they're
recognizing how how amazing it is. No traffic really and
beautiful outdoors. So best place to eat I'd probably say.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
That's tough.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
My favorite place is Red Robin, But best place.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
To your favorite place is Red Robin?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
I like they do have handcrafted, handcrafted burgers. Okay, so
what's the order at Red Robin? Uh?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Probably a crispy chicken sandwich with some unlimited fries and
maybe like a nice shake or something.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
What flavor shake?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah, flatbread, flatbreads to get pizza spot.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I like, yeah, flatbreads. It's a chain. I've had it.
It's really good and it's in Uh, it's a lot
of No, it's it's it's good. Spot. What flavor shake?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Probably could getting cream solid?
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, whipped cream and cherry or just just.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
A shake whipped cream? No cherry?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Why no cherry? Just only cherries?
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I don't know a cherry guys kind of gross.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
No, it is kind of gross when you think about
it's just a weird it like visually looks cool and
then you're like, this does not fit at all. It's
no shake.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
It's kind of random.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
It is kind of random. It's one of those random
things that we've all just kind of acquiesced to and
decided that it's it's okay to have uh, okay, last
last thing for you for let you go in in
uh in your mind. Okay, if that's the perfect way
to play your last game at the pit. Okay, give
me a goal for a couple of things you want
(25:03):
to do here before this sixth season comes to an end.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Well, obviously, winning an NCAA tournament game is top of
my list. If we do that, I feel like I've
really accomplished everything I could have possibly done for Boise
doing that, and then I think just just making a
nice little run.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Here at the end.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Every time we play a road game, Leon comes up
to me like, it's the last time you're going to
play here in the pit, so let's make it worth it.
And I think that's kind of been working somewhat on
the road. So winning down here on the stretch. And
my biggest thing is going into the conference tournament.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
With no sweat.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I don't like being on the bubble. Going into the
conference tournament takes off a lot of pressure because that's
when a lot of teams like just really turn it
on and that's when you.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
See a lot of these upsets.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
So just going into the conference tournament sweat free and
going into the NCAA tournament and making a final mark
on that tournament and win the game.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Well, look, man, I'm really happy for you. I know,
like you do a good job of laughing off all
the negative bullshit and whatever, but to go and drop
thirty five of the pit win the game. That was awesome.
It was really really cool and you should feel amazing.
And now keep it going, man, and I'm thankful for
(26:18):
the time that you spent with us. Appreciate you join us.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I appreciate that, Gottlie, but I hope to see you
in Utah.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
All right, that's it for this edition of All Ball.
Make sure you tune into the radio show. I will
point out that we're at the super Bowl this week.
Type in Doug Gottlie The Doug gollib Show. We have
some really cool, fun stuff with great interviews, and I
think mine are different than most people from the super
Bowl because though we hit the plugs, we also talk
some deep shit with a lot of people. Anyway, enjoy it.
(26:47):
Thanks so much for listening. I'm Doug Gotlig This is
All Ball
Speaker 5 (27:00):
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