March 10, 2024 • 47 mins
Doug is joined by college basketball insider Jeff Goodman to discuss potential high profile hirings and firings in the coaching ranks, including if FAU’s Dusty May could take the Ohio state job, and other big openings on the horizon heading into the tournament.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hey, what a welcome, And I'm dog gotdie. This is
all ball, and it's an all ball all the time
of year.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
We're getting ready for the NCAA tournament for champion Week,
and we're gonna try and pump these out as often
as possible. So we got this thing out Saturday morning,
beginning a championship week. Do Carolina tonight, I'll be on
the call for Westwood one. So what I'm gonna try
(00:33):
and do is give some sort of pod probably tomorrow.
The breakdown of the two teams. Obviously got Kentucky, Tennessee
got all this other you know, rivalry games, I guess
that are taking place nationally. You have Kansas taken on Houston.
I know it's on a rivalry, but its two best
teams in the Big Big twelve. Iowa State fans, relax,
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I know you exist, not pretending like you don't exist.
But Kansas has been the better program, even thyre not
the better team this year. Whatever, anyway I wanted, there's
a couple of things I want to want to get
in on here.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
First.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Let's start with is it Masacon? Is that? What it is?
Whatever it is? The Camden High School's coached by Malik
Wings and Malik obviously was a superstar high school player,
was a really good player at Nova during the really
I think during the kind of dark years there for
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Jay Wright and I understand that we're all the super
competitive buds. You can't be as good a player as
Malik was if you aren't just a super competitive and
I understand that all of us are like, hey, man,
shit happens. It might look bad, it might feel weird,
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but the reality is it's not always. Nothing is fair.
Bear's never had anything to do with it, but I
can't believe that. Plus, there's a little bit of positive
there's a lot of positive equity that could have been
gained from Malik had he just said, hey, we're not
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going to go play that championship game because we didn't
win the previous game. For that simple we didn't win
the game. And I know that there's fifty to fifty
calls sometimes even sixty forty or seventy thirty calls that
don't go your way in sports, and we could go
back and say, well, if this call changed, the whole
game change, you're right, But here's a definitive if that
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ball goes in and counts which it did. The other
team wins the game, period stop. So I don't know
how you reconcile that, like our team is still playing when,
especially the high school level, do you want to win
a state championship? Hell yeah, but you didn't actually win
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the game. So I don't know except that one other
high school thing. And this is again it'll sound near
and dear in my heart, but so as some of
you know, we had him on last year, we have
pop on him this year. Brian mount Naughty is one
of my best friends. He's the head coach at O
Wassow High School. His son Jalen is the star sophomore
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at A Wassow and they're playing tonight. This is Saturday night,
first state championship against two time defending six A state
champion Edmund North. It's a good program, by the way,
really really good program. And they played the semi finals
on it was yesterday. It was Friday at nine am,
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nine am. And when I put it out there on
social media, we're like, oh yeah, we got ten am games.
Whatever are you fucking serious? Who were these fucking clowns
making these schedules for high school kids? I understand if
there's no greater your doing, your performing the job that
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you are ill equipped for, and you need to either
hire outside people or just do a better job of
finding somebody inside your beltway that knows what they're doing.
Because there is no world in which that's a good decision.
Here's the defense of those types of decisions. Well, we
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have the arena. It's expensive, so we got to get
all the games in one day, and you know, we
want to make sure the girls and the small schools
get their due, get their time, so they likely play
it at night those games. And here's my advice on that. Okay,
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I'm not going to again. If we're about everybody getting
a fair shot and playing at the right time, fine,
that means for example, Oklahoma, I forget what they're on
care they have an on campus arena. It's really cool.
I just wish joke is togleon. You know, they're trying
to get this new entertainment center built in downtown Norman,
nine thousand seat arena. You know, get them on par
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with everybody in the SEC with one of these small,
brand new arenas like Auburn, like Old miss whatever, but
and a little bit bigger than the size of Baylor.
That's all great, but they have a little on campus
on campus arena. Heay, perfect for girls, per for small schools,
literally perfect, perfect lay there, you can play at two
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sites at once. You can extend it and pay some money,
but you're not going to make any money if your
big schools are playing at nine am, three hours, two
hours from their campus. It's just dumb, right, just dumb.
It's a lot like when you're coaching, you just if
you can eliminate dumb shit, you have a better chance
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to be successful. That's some dumb shit, right, inarguably dumb shit.
Having six eight teams, a couple of the best teams,
the biggest schools in the state. But even that, Like
again I'm okay with we want to protect the small
schools and the girls basketball and have them play in
primetime out as well. Fine, you don't need to have
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them play in the big arena. Nobody goes to waste
of money. You know, wasys the facility. But Jesus is
this stupid? It's not that hard. And then look, one
more issue there is you got a lot of state titles.
You know you're gonna have six in Oklahoma like that
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a lot, not a ton of people in the state
last state titles. But if you're gonna have it, that's fine.
And we're gonna have all these other state titles for
these smaller programs, so they compete because the bigger schools
in Oklahoma, you know, the and OASA is pretty big.
It's like three I think three thousand students whatever. But
you know, you get Jinks in Union and somebody, they're
like four or five thousand students. And you know, if
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you have five hundred students, like, how we compete with that?
We can't compete, I understand. So if we're gonna have
smaller schools, they'll be fine with not playing in the
big arena, you know. And part of it is there's
you know, they're going to redo the state fair arena
as well. There's other issues. I don't give a shit.
You got to be smarter than a six am game,
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a nine am excuse me, nine am game. Again, it's
not just about I don't want to get up like
that's going to be the last basketball game. That probably
ninety percent of the kids. That's just again, stop doing
stupid shit. That's stupid shit. We're gonna welcome in Jeff Goodman,
who if you haven't seen it. Goodie and I we
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do a We do a show on Stadium daily called
Goodman Versus Gottlib. It's pretty cool. We enjoy doing it.
And we're just gonna He's driving, I'm driving. We're just
going to talk coaching jobs go around the country and
mostly all high major coaching jobs. I think you'll like
that discussion, super O gain. Before we get to that,
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I did want to give you my thoughts on Arizona
and Solomon on Knight in pursed against UCLA. I mean,
a complete and utter dismemberment in what I like. I
like the Boswell wasn't trying to win the game on
his own. He picked his spots, and then when they
made their run late in the first half, it was,
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you know, he hit a big three, he made a
cup big plays. Obviously, love can go get buckets. I mean,
he's gonna he's gonna shoot regardless. But I do think
that Tommy has done a very good job of managing
that and that's a weapon that they're going to use
moving forward. It's a good team. It's a very good team,
especially when you have key Shot Johnson at the four.
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You know, he's so athletic. I'm actually surprised. I would
love for them to take a look at key shot
at the five getting ready for the NCAA tournament. You know,
they have they have, they have others coming off the
bench that are really athletic, and I you know, he
does go to a more athletic lineup off the bench,
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but always has a traditional five. I would I would
take a look at not having a traditional five. The
Arizona has a lot more offensive firepower than in some
previous years, and they have also, you know, people were
really down obviously on Kirk Krisa at the end. Some
of it is, you know, attitude and persona, but I
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think a lot of it is that, you know, he
can't really break down a defense. He's not a defensive stopper. Well,
they're they're better there this year. I like them. I
like them. I can't say that I love them, and
I'm a little bossis over their bigs having to cover
out on the floor. And I also think that there
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can be maybe a little bit of a lack of
shooting right when you're playing and I and I saw shot,
he made one, he missed one in terms of three,
but so many other teams playing with four and five shooters.
You're playing with three and maybe two and a half
at times, depending upon who you got out there. Those
are my concerns are Caleb Love's shots selection, their overall
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shot selection. They only really have one guy who's a
point guard, you know, in Boswell, a real backup guy,
and they don't necessarily have enough guys that create shots. Brothers,
but they're better and tougher defensively than they've been. You
have two guys that played in the National Champion Game
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in subsequent years in Love and Johnson, and I kind
of think they're like a Purdue right if you can
get out of that first weekend, that's a really dangerous team,
really dangerous team. I'm higher on them. I haven't seen
them in person than I was watching them last month
or so on TV. All right, let's get to our
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conversation with our guy, Jeff Goodman. Jeff, let's list do
this thing. Okay, So you're driving, I'm driving. Where are
you driving? Some by the way, I.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Have no WiFi.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
My dumb ass has decided to put our house in
the market in three weeks, so we had somebody to
come by and refinish our hardwork floors last night yesterday.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
And they knocked out the Wi Fi. We can't figure
it out.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
They're here again today, So I'm like, I don't know
what I'm doing today. I don't know where I'm gonna
watch games.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Are you moving to Charleston? You're you moving to Charleston.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I don't know what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
We like, I think so, but we're gonna rent first
and figure it out.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Like we want to be down there and see if
we really like it enough to buy there or honestly,
for the next two years, we could just bounce, just
bounce around, go Charleston to Florida, back to Boston in
the nice weather, never see city weather.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
That's my goal.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Okay, California, we have seasons, the good one, that's what
we got. Yeah, uh okay, Well I am driving to Durham.
I decided to fly into Charlotte and do the drive.
Why uh just the timing of the flights worked out
better for me. And then I'm doing the Big South
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Championship on Sunday on Westwood. That's that's at high Point,
so So High high Points only an hour from Charlotte.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Ye have been have you been to High Points Campus?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Ever, I haven't I heard. It's amazing. It's like a
fourth Seasons excited.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Maybe you get a spots treatment while you're.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
There, Maybe maybe I can. Uh. Okay, let's let's do
the coaching job thing. Okay, purely organic. The beauty to
this is right like where this is how real conversations
take place, not the conversations that everybody has to have
on Twitter or on TV. Right, Okay, so let's start
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with Let's start out west, because yesterday Mike Hopkins got
fired and we kind of all saw it coming. First,
you have a new ad. Second, they haven't really done shit.
You know, you do feel it's weird because they literally
fired him the day after he beats Wazoo on the
road in the same year they beat Gondaga. Feels like
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most people think it's a formality that it sprinkle. Is
that too strong a way to put it?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Probably too strong? Probably too strong, but makes so much sense.
You know, you always like there's a hot name, right,
there's a hot name every year, and then there's the
guy who's kind of done it for a while that
people have just kind of fallen asleep on a little
bit because he's done it so long. And that's Leon
Rice against Danny Sprinkle. And it's not like there's like
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this huge age gown. It's not like Danny Sprinkle's, you know,
thirty two years old.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
But he's just.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Burst out of the scene here lately. Right, Montana State
did a great job. Utah State's done an incredible job
this year in his one season.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
He's the odds on favorite for me.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
But yeah, I think leon Rice has a shot there,
and I think it probably is a two horse race
at the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
But again we'll see.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
With obviously Troy Danon coming from Tulane, who else he
might have in mind. Hopefully it's not to bring Mike
Dunleavy senior back to college coaching.
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Speaker 1 (14:47):
Do you know that I was, I guess a finalist
with Mike dunlaedyr.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I do, I do? I remember that you were in
that mix?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
So I I had a great I know with Troy too.
He came and saw me and in Westport, Connecticut. That
was right before I moved to California. What was the
restaurant got? It's really good? Oh man, I'll think of it.
I forget what's what it's called. Think of it anyway. Uh.
(15:18):
You know, Troy started at Northern Iowa, right, and then
to Tulane and did a great job with football, and frankly,
you know his second higher basketball is really good.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
But yeah, I mean, okay, So if Leon doesn't get Washington, yeah, right,
and MaTx is finally graduated, yeah, Like, is this a
he gets out or he stays there forever sort of thing?
Speaker 4 (15:49):
You know, It's weird because I think everybody thinks that
it's automatic, and it probably is that Brian Michaelson gets Gonzaga,
But I feel like, why isn't Leon in the equation there? Like,
if you think about it, doesn't it make more sense
when Mark feud does retire if he retires the next
year or two obviously if he goes five more. But
to me, doesn't it make more sense to give it
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to a guy who's already been coaching as a head
coach for twelve fifteen years, who's done a really good
job at Boise every single year or No.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
It does, But I also think maybe that ship is sailed.
I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
You're probably right, You're probably right. I just don't know why.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Okay, But here's here's here's here's a question that's really
interesting if you think about Okay, let's say Kyle Smith
at Wazoo gets the Vanderbilt job, which I know the
Vanderbilt job is not open, but percent chance Vanderbilt job
comes open.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Jeff very hot the only you know, the ad the
a D wants to keep him, but it sounds like
she's going to be overruled. And I mean, he's done
an atrocious job there other than one half of one seasons.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Okay, So so let's let's say.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
He left competition though, but he's gonna have competition. I mean,
Kyle Smith, well, he's done a great job, Doug, and
he has really tough spots, right, we know Colombia, San
fran and Washington State are hard jobs.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
He has not gone to the tournament.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Chris Mack is gonna be in the mix, right, Chris
Mack is going to be in the mix for that one?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Could Chris Holtman want it? Their resume is a stronger now.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
That they've had much better jobs, obviously, but the question
is what do you do if you're Vandy. Are you
taking a guy that, yeah, has done as much with
less as just about anybody. But again, he's he's never
been down there. He's been all over the place. He's
been in the Northeast, he's been in the Pacific Northwest, he's
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been in the West. But like, I don't know, it's
a little different now at Bandy than it Like people
people equate Mandy to this like academic job, and it is,
but it's also in the SEC Doug, so it's not
like it's your typical academic job. You've got to be
able to figure shit out and work angles, and I'm
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not sure Kyle Smith is going to be able to
do that at Mandy and get them to be Like,
I think he's a solid pick there, but I think
like a Chris Mack would be more of like you
might be able to really hit it with him.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Okay, I mean I was We'll get we'll circle back
to Vandy in a second. But the question, the question was,
if you're Leon Rice, say Wazoo, Wazoo's gonna play in
the WCC for now, probably ends up in the Mountain West, right.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Yeah, didn't he turn that down about ten years ago.
He turned that down about ten years ago.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I know what level of job, like a Washington State like,
what level of job is that? Moving forward?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Not good job, not a good job. But again the
question is what are they gonna pay now?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Right?
Speaker 4 (19:06):
What are they gonna pay? If you're Leon Rice, like
you said, Max is gone, do you hit that one payday?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Now? You're making good money at Boise.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
But if you're if you're gonna double your your salary,
do you just say at this point in your career, Hey,
you know what, I'm gonna roll the dice at this point.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
But but I guess here's the here's here's the other
side to it. If you're Washington State and and you
know right now those schools Organ State, Washington State financial
windfall because they're the last two, you know, holding that
that pack tall banner. So they're making a bunch of money.
But eventually the bottom is gonna fall out, right, So
if you're Washington State, like, what do you pay for
a head basketball coach knowing that that TV revenue is
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disappearing in a couple months, You're.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Not gonna pay No, You're you're probably gonna go young
I mean to me, you're gonna go young mid major cheap,
like if really, if you're being honest here, And it's
probably why Oregon State doesn't fire Win Tinkle right now.
They don't too much money still, you know from that
that one run, that Elite eight run the bubble, it
was one of the more baffling contracts ever given by
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Scott Barnes. And Scott Barnes has made a couple boneheaded moves,
that being one of them.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
And obviously no no Irank Kevin Stallings at Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
That's number all time.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Yeah, but that no, but given Tinkle give and Tinkle
all that guaranteed money after one Elite Elite eight run,
it's pretty damn close.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Plus they were five hundred that year.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Yeah, yeah, like like that's and I like Scott Barnes,
but it's it just shows some of these days.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Listen, listen, listen. I like Scott as well, for people
who don't know, he's a poor basketball player, right and
so uh he also didn't he I don't remember if
he hired and fired Dury at Utah Stank.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I don't think that was him.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I don't know anyway. Yeah, that one's that's the but
but look, I think the mistake that the a D
may okay is not necessary, Like you can make a
higher word, you can reward a guy. I don't understand
how they get talked to these crazy extensions because they
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fear losing their coach. Like if you had a coach
who's just okay, and then he goes on a tournament
run and he gets hot and somebody wants to come
and take him off your hands, like okay, you know,
and if you're gonna you're gonna give him a bump, like,
give him a bump. It doesn't have to be over
five or six years.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Can I give you the best example? Can I give
you the best recent example of that? Yeah, Dennis Gates.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Which stop right now?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Right after one year.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Dennis Gates. Dennis Gates, they gave him guaranteed money. Desi
Rae who just left for Arizona, the former Missouri A
D gave him like guaranteed twenty twenty five million.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
How many wins do they have in the league this year?
Doug zero zero?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
I mean, how is that possible?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I mean it just shows you sometimes you get.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
It at how did Missouri fall completely apart?
Speaker 4 (22:19):
It's amazing I mean that that's the problem is these
ads don't understand the marketplace and they don't understand like, Okay, Dennis,
we're not giving you that much guaranteed money. Uh, you
did it for one year. That's great. If you want
to go get something else, you know what, go go
if you want to go go see what else you
can get.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
That's better. We gave you a.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Job right when he didn't didn't have one. Yeah, a
gigantic job. It's a gigantic job. I guess I don't understand,
like why the contracts are so long. The sport is
it doesn't.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Matter though, but those still matter. All that matters is
the out or the guaranteed money. So like you can
give somebody calipery.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
That's in the length of the contract.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Like Bill self. Yeah, but like okay Bill.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Bill self's got a lifetime deal done, but it's buyout.
Isn't that high like if.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Bill Bill So it's different. Obviously it's different with Bill self.
I get it. But all I'm saying is these a
ds you can give them.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Please. You just mentioned we just talked about Dennis Gates
and Bill Sell and their contracts.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
All right, all right, all right, all right, I.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Like just comparing it's like, man, I mean, please, let's
not do that. Let's if you're going to construct a contract.
Like again, the the ads at the high level, the
crazy part about it is eights at the low and
mid major level, a lot of them have a lot
of balls like, hey, we just can't afford it. We'll
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walk away from it, you know. Whereas the adies at
the high level they get they they again, and neither
of us know for each one what it's actually like
a lot of times they get pressure from Booster Solutions
say look, I'm only giving you money if this guy
is the head coach. That's the way it works. So
it's gonna be pasting all right, Ohio State, where are
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we de one?
Speaker 4 (24:24):
I mean, I still think it's gonna end up falling,
not falling, but I think Dusty May will be the
guy there.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
At the end.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
But again Lamont Paris, an Ohio native, could be in
the mix here. We don't know if Dusty May will
definitely take it again. If you kind of look at
the tea leaves, it makes a lot of sense, right.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
It fits him.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
You know, he's a guy that doesn't love the limelight.
He'd rather every everybody close to him has told me
he would rather Ohio State than Indiana, where he was
a manager. Anyway, he hired Andy Miller, the former NBA
agent who's now repping college coaches, some not many. Andy
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Miller works with Rich Paul at Clutch. Last I checked,
Lebron was a big Ohio State fan. So I think
Rich Paul is also, you know, the from Ohio. So
I think that's a natural fit for Dusty at the
end of the day, and Dusty going through what he's
going through right now this year, with like barely getting
in the tournament, I think he realizes. Okay, Joe, I
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really want to be in the A. I love Boca,
but is it worth it. I'm basically in a one
bid league right now. I'm basically gonna be a one
bid league.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
No, you gotta get the fuck out, correct, correct?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
You do? Lamont Paris Sean Miller. You know, I think
he's on the list, but I don't. I don't know
how high up he is. I think they want.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Dusty, and I think Dusty ultimately will end up taking it.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Okay, who gets fort Atlantic?
Speaker 4 (25:58):
So Josh Shurtz went to school there from Indiana State.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
He went to fa.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Indiana State for Florida Atlantic.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
No, no, no, I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
I don't think it makes sense in any regard because
it's not a great job. We know that you don't
want to follow a dusty man.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Now, I don't know. I don't think one of the
assistants will will get it.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
I think Abernathy and Kyle Church have done a great
job there and they probably should get it. But I
think you know, uh, White will we'll we'll swing for
the fences there and try to get a big name.
He's got a million dollars to work with. I could
see him trying to bring in a you know, hopefully
not a recirculated guy.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
But then if you go young up and comer, who
are you getting? Like, who are you getting?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Would you go Josh Pastor?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
There?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
It's Florida Lank has been a place. You know, they
recessed it. They were laying Kippen's career. And I not
that it's the same as Pastor, but Pastor might might
make sense there that that type of he he's still
young ish and yet he needs another spot. And as
the same kind of energy is as dusty that one
could be to be in.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
You mentioned I like Josh Rice. If Rice open, I.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Have heard Rice is potentially very close ye ye, And
and uh that that one would make would make some sense,
would would make some sense? Uh what else? What?
Speaker 4 (27:31):
What?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
What other shoes are gonna drive? We're waiting for Virginia. Okay,
let's let's go left Virginia. Okay, So they Long, I
mean most people believe that Ren Baker Long had an
infatuation with Dusty. Dusty has told people his dad was
a coal miner, you know, so there's all these connections.
They have a lot of money, they have n I
(27:52):
l way better job than people think. Okay, so if
if not Dusty, then who.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
I mean the name floating around a lot is Mark
Buyington and James Madison.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
They may not make the tournament. I mean they were
great early.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
You know. You look at him, you look at Josh Shurtz,
you look at the other guy in the Sun Belt
who won the Sun Belt, Dustin Kerns at our state,
a Nico medbed. Guys like that, I think they're gonna
end up with a mid major coach. For the most part,
I'd be surprised if they don't.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
The next one.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Look at well I mean, you know, obviously I think
Stanford could pop Monday. You know, Bernard Weir has in
the last couple of years come out and given Jared
Hass a vote of confidence this time of year. He
won't do that now. He told me the other day
he'll meet with Jared the end of the year and
(28:49):
evaluate things. I think evaluating means it's it's over. It's over.
You know, Hass has had talent, so then that I
think is the the probably the most I don't know,
app landing spot for Kyle Smith. And I'm not sure
it's like a great move because it's not like Stanford's
(29:11):
got you know, like like they got to worry about transfers.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
That's hard to get them in.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Do they really care about basketball that much these days?
I don't think it's a great great but like, if
you're Kyle Smith, you've got to get the hell out
of Pullman, don't you.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
You do it?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
And a lot of it reminds you actually of Columbia.
You know, where you have on campus housing, you know,
so you save a bunch of money there and yeah,
you have all kinds of red tape. I mean, it's
crazy because Stanford used to be the model, right, it
used to be they used to have the best environment
maybe in the in the Pacto. Yeah, it's so good,
(29:47):
and you know it's the model for student athletes, like
that's where you want to go. Come to the farm
and and they've had so many successful people in that
just bat and they were really good basketball. Man. Be
the acc is hard. I don't know how that's gonna work.
No one, no one, No one goes anyway. That's hard.
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That's hard. But that's kind of been Kyle. Especially the
other name there is Russ Turner, right, and yeah he's
you know, wins the league again in the big last
kind of institution at you see your vine, that one
would be a shoe. Why did why did Indiana keep
Mike Woindson?
Speaker 4 (30:31):
I mean, you know again because he did go to
the tournament the last two years and it hasn't been
a complete bottom out like Kenny Payne. Uh like even
Juwan Howard. Now Juwan obviously did a lot more early
in his career. And that'll be one to watch, but
I think there's more. He's one of their own, and
you're gonna give one of your own, especially when a
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guy like Quinn Buckner has a lot of juice, and
Quinn played it Indiana and is a board, you know,
on the board some juice there. I just think the
old school people are like, Okay, you know what, he
hasn't done that bad. Now They're gonna have almost four
million dollars in Nile this coming year. So if they
don't get it done this year, it's completely on Mike Woodson.
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They got to keep some of the players they have
some retention and then go get a point guard. But
you know, the big thing too, was if Dusty May
was dying to come to Bloomington and like he called
and was like, hey, you know what, yeah, I would
take it now, like.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
This is it.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
I'm gonna take Ohio State. If not, but I really
want the Indiana job. It might have been different, but
that wasn't the case. Again, so I think it was like,
who we getting anyway if we make a move on
Woodson right now?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
They lost their all three their includingam McNeil yesterday. Yes,
but but I actually, I mean he's a he's a
big loss, big loss, big kid. It could really shoot
the fucking ball, really just knows how to play. But
(32:11):
like the reality is, you have that money in the nil.
You go out and spend it on veteran players, you
have a much greater likelihood of success, right, you have
a much better likely to success.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
But the hell out of it. He's smart. He's not
your typical freshman.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
I'm not saying he wasn't going to be like the star,
but he would have been a nice piece.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, yeah, he could have been their furkey. He could
have been there for yeah right, right, but not end
of the world.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
That one.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I think that one hurt more than the other two
guys decomitting. But you know it hurt, but it's not
it all is all changes if you get the right
kids in the portal.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Yeah, Louisville, I mean, uh, obviously a move will be
made on him here soon. Although a lot of people
are like, oh, maybe he'll keep his job. I just
don't see any way he keeps his job. And obviously
the the the pipe dream is Scott Drew. I've said
this to you forever. That's who I know. Want.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
I know they want why again, why would Scott Drew lee?
Speaker 4 (33:24):
He probably won't, but you got to make him say no.
Like he's the one guy that like if you throw
a crazy number at him and you also throw a
crazy nil number at him, which I'm not sure they
can do yet, but I think they can get there
if they want to. Let's face it, it's Louisville.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
So I think he ends up saying no.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
And then obviously Greg McDermott stayed at Creighton, so then
you're dealing with some mid major guys.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Again.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
What people have to realize here is the best guys
that we think should be available have huge biots, huge bats.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
We start we started by talking about this, right and
that why do they exist? Well, they exist for two reasons.
Coaches want them to protect against these bad years. Dennis Gates. Uh,
you know, like you name it mc cronin. So that's
(34:25):
why coaches want them, and administrators occasionally it's to protect
them from somebody coaching their coach. But really they they
acquiesce to so that so that a coach kind of
protects himself, which I do understand. Okay, so what about
Chris Beard. You're not optional?
Speaker 4 (34:46):
No, I I've been told that that the Beards and
the Sean Millers are off the table because of everything
that that Louisville program has gone through with Patino, all
the drama, all the embarrassment. So I don't I don't
think it's gonna be Beard. I don't think it's gonna
be Sean Miller. I'm not even sure. I think Eric
(35:06):
mussels out of the equation because again, yeah yeah, because
you know, again he's he's tough.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
To deal with.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
I think you're looking at a group, the Porter Moosers,
the Nico Medviz, the Jerome Tangs, the Pat Kelsey's, Lamont Parris,
Josh Shirtz, that group.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Jamie Dixon.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Maybe I don't see him over paying though. I don't
think he's gonna overpay for a guy that's like a
mid tier guy like that. Like, I don't think he's
gonna pay Jamie Dixon four and a half million. I
think he would rather pay, you know, Niko Medved three million.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Don't like get a guy who can pay him a
million five two million and then put all of it
in the nil. Yeah, I mean, what are we doing here?
You know, brain, that's where the that's where the players
come from. Okay, what about DePaul.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You know, Bobby Hurley.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
It makes sense, probably too much sense Porter Moser if
he would I just don't think they're gonna pay him
a five million dollars buyout to Paul. They need money
for Nil, so like that, that one doesn't make a
lot of sense. They talked to Holtman, I don't think
he take it. You know, Hurley seems to be the
(36:22):
most likely because he needs to get out of Dodge
with Arizona State, even though they've got a new a
d I think he's probably got a year left, you know,
like the Mark Byington's, the Josh shurtz is, the Darren
Devrees probably in the mix there. But I think Hurley
just makes too much sense other than the fact that, man,
those family dinners are going to be rough between DePaul
(36:45):
and Yukon, you know, the you know you got the
worst job in your league, your brother's got the best job.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
I don't love that dynamic. They may not talk to
each other for years.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Could he have taken Saint John's a year ago, No.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Not a year ago, like three years ago before Mike Anderson.
You know, he probably could have had a band because
he was hot then, and he could have had to
Paul the last time he was hotter than you know,
he's cooled off the last three or four years. You
and I know how how good a job he's done overall, if.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
You look at it.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
But the problem is, again, Chris Holman did a good
job overall. It doesn't matter. What matters is what mc cronin.
What matters is what have you done for me lately?
Unless you've gotten.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
To a final four?
Speaker 4 (37:31):
And even mc cronan went to a final four and
they're ready to run him out.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, explain to me the ucl I think they're like, Okay,
So here's what I know. I mean, I know more
about UCLA basketball than I think anyone would lead you
to believe. You know, I realized it's stuff to get
kids in school, especially transfers. I realized that suppose of
the nil is limited. I don't think they did a
(37:58):
particularly good job of building their roster knowing they were
going to lose all those guys last year, right, like you,
you should have backfilled your roster with guys and played
some younger players and been further along this year so
you knew some of this was coming. But there's also
(38:19):
the like Martin Jarmondin is a former he's a basketball player,
but he just lost his football coach who took a
four million dollar pack cup. Now most of us realized
Chip Kelly was probably going to be fired at the
end of this year anyway, And you know now they're
hired to Sean Foster. We actually, I don't know if
you know this. He's my former high school teammate. He's
(38:41):
a freshman out the senior got called up, got called up. Yeah,
I got called up for horse steep basketball for our
playoff run.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
It's cool. Sean's great dude, and so I'm super happy
to him. I just I don't know if you compete
there in football if you're not going to spend. They're
not spending on coaches now, so maybe they're spending on NL.
I'm not sure. But like we both think, we both
know Mick really well. He's not. None of these guys
in that level war that easy to deal with, right,
(39:10):
But he's also not He's.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Not no, no, he's not.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
He's not one fun, just intent intense. So I guess
what's going on with U. C l A.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
But here's the thing. Here's the thing, all right, Doug,
here's the thing. He inherited Haimi Hakis and Tiger Campbell.
They were two tough dudes, right, like, like we we
wondered when when Mick got to l A. What was
the one thing we wondered, like, well, at Sincy, what
did he win with top dudes who play it harder
(39:46):
than everybody else? Well, he inherited two of those and
now they're gone, and can he get those guys to
u C l A.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Like, I just didn't think the.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
International guys were going to work for Mick Kroony, Like
I understand what he he was saying with was like,
I don't have to.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Worry about TNIL though, Like the perception is perception is
that European players are more coaching. That the way to
make coaches, the way that the older school. That's how
your coach. And that's true, that that is how your coach.
Much more the coach is a much bigger factor overseason
than he is in the United States in terms of
(40:27):
you know, what the coach says goes. It's just that's
that's the way I go. But yeah, it's not that
they got international players. You've got to get the right
ones and can't have as much youth as they're playing.
I don't know. I think it's a it's an interesting deal.
Interest interest really going to be interesting what happens at UCLA, Like,
(40:52):
what what are we actually doing here with the most
story program in the history of college basketball and you
have a coach again, it's it's very similar to uh
when Alfred first got there, he won with Ben Allen's players.
When Ben Allen first got there, obviously he flipped it
in recruiting whatever. Ben actually won the PAC twelve in
(41:14):
his last year, which is crazy.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Right, right, They were just tired.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Of him allan thing. I mean, it was a little
bit of like what's happened to Mick? Where because it
didn't go well with Drew Drew Hollis, they stopped, they
couldn't get LA kids anymore, and then Mick and I
don't know enough about what happened, but Jared McCain, Caleb
(41:40):
Boss or Dusty Stromer, oh for three and you're coming
off upon a port Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Yeah, so yeah. I think part of it.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Part of it with Mick was again he's not warming fuzzy,
and I think with even the current players, it's hard
these days, right, It's hard when you throw him under
the bus. Woodson's done that in Indiana bunch this year.
Are you going to retain him? Because they have other
options now, they don't have to sit out. They don't
have to sit out anymore.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
They can go well again, I don't know. I mean,
after he threw him under the bus, they reeled off
a bunch of wins. They one or nine. I just
don't think One they're too young to even really know.
And then two there's some guys who just aren't very good.
And I also think he needs to evolve his offensive style.
(42:33):
I did the UCLA Arizona game two nights ago, and
in the first half, they kept throwing the ball to
a den Bona in the low post, like, one, what
are we doing?
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Yeah, that's not your option if that's number one, And I'm.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Sure that's what he's saying, like, hey, look, this is
the best chance I have to win, Like, you know,
it's not. He can't couldn't score the low post to
be locked him in the gym now with a running
start to basket on how and rolls. Yeah, he's tremendous.
That was a weird one there to keep throwing inside.
He had twelve shots in the first half. Yes, well yeah, wow, Okay,
(43:12):
so we've gone through all the any Okay, so big
eiast It'll only be only be DePaul Big ten big
ten hoybrig chept his job. Ben Johnson, Okay, so take
me through the mission. Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
I mean it's probably gonna be up to Juan. It's
probably gonna be up to Juan and whether he wants
to top out or not. You know, he's obviously had
some health issues and they've been atrocious. And you know,
one of his kids in the NBA kind of I
think the other one's got a year left, but you know,
he had an issue with a strength coach. I mean,
there's just been so much shit there and I don't
(43:56):
I don't think Wardmanual fires him. I think in kind
of like with Mike Woodson, I think there'll be some
changes made among the staff if he comes back. But
I don't I don't think Warmanuel has the kohonas to fire,
to call him in and say, hey, you're done.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
Uh my Florida State, I think Leonard Hamilton will be
told to retire.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
I believe that will be the case here. We'll see.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
He'll fight it, I would think, but I think this
might be a for him a second straight you know,
under five hundred year in the ACC.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Miami.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
I think Laareneagle will be back for another They were
atrocious this year, but I think he'll be back for
another year. We talked about a little bit about Bobby Hurley.
I think Tinka will be back. Anybody else. I think
Enfield's a year away from you know, I'll go next
year into the hot seat a little bit. Whether it's
(45:00):
fair or not, I don't know. Sec Bandy we talked about.
I think that'll be it. And then again, you just
got to look at some of these other guys that
I don't know if they want to retire or not yet.
But like again, we've talked about Mark Feu that won't
be easy if he does. Tony Bennett, I don't think
he retires, but who knows. Uh, Buzz Williams trying to
(45:24):
get out because you know, you know, there's a window
shelf life on Buzz everywhere he is, so he'll try
to get out if he can. You know, Todd Golden,
what happens there? Does he go back out west from Florida?
Speaker 2 (45:40):
We'll see? I mean, who knows?
Speaker 4 (45:44):
You do? Yeah, I can't. I can't. All I know
is I don't think he'll he'll go anywhere. I don't
think he'll go anywhere. So I think I think he's fine,
but there's a there's a minimal chance that he.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Could take one of those West Coast jobs or tried. It.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Just wants to just not his jam bad fit. Okay,
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of year.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
We're getting ready for the NCAA tournament for champion Week,
and we're gonna try and pump these out as often
as possible. So we got this thing out Saturday morning,
beginning a championship week. Do Carolina tonight, I'll be on
the call for Westwood one. So what I'm gonna try
(00:33):
and do is give some sort of pod probably tomorrow.
The breakdown of the two teams. Obviously got Kentucky, Tennessee
got all this other you know, rivalry games, I guess
that are taking place nationally. You have Kansas taken on Houston.
I know it's on a rivalry, but its two best
teams in the Big Big twelve. Iowa State fans, relax,
(00:53):
I know you exist, not pretending like you don't exist.
But Kansas has been the better program, even thyre not
the better team this year. Whatever, anyway I wanted, there's
a couple of things I want to want to get
in on here.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
First.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Let's start with is it Masacon? Is that? What it is?
Whatever it is? The Camden High School's coached by Malik
Wings and Malik obviously was a superstar high school player,
was a really good player at Nova during the really
I think during the kind of dark years there for
(01:28):
Jay Wright and I understand that we're all the super
competitive buds. You can't be as good a player as
Malik was if you aren't just a super competitive and
I understand that all of us are like, hey, man,
shit happens. It might look bad, it might feel weird,
(01:48):
but the reality is it's not always. Nothing is fair.
Bear's never had anything to do with it, but I
can't believe that. Plus, there's a little bit of positive
there's a lot of positive equity that could have been
gained from Malik had he just said, hey, we're not
(02:11):
going to go play that championship game because we didn't
win the previous game. For that simple we didn't win
the game. And I know that there's fifty to fifty
calls sometimes even sixty forty or seventy thirty calls that
don't go your way in sports, and we could go
back and say, well, if this call changed, the whole
game change, you're right, But here's a definitive if that
(02:35):
ball goes in and counts which it did. The other
team wins the game, period stop. So I don't know
how you reconcile that, like our team is still playing when,
especially the high school level, do you want to win
a state championship? Hell yeah, but you didn't actually win
(02:57):
the game. So I don't know except that one other
high school thing. And this is again it'll sound near
and dear in my heart, but so as some of
you know, we had him on last year, we have
pop on him this year. Brian mount Naughty is one
of my best friends. He's the head coach at O
Wassow High School. His son Jalen is the star sophomore
(03:17):
at A Wassow and they're playing tonight. This is Saturday night,
first state championship against two time defending six A state
champion Edmund North. It's a good program, by the way,
really really good program. And they played the semi finals
on it was yesterday. It was Friday at nine am,
(03:41):
nine am. And when I put it out there on
social media, we're like, oh yeah, we got ten am games.
Whatever are you fucking serious? Who were these fucking clowns
making these schedules for high school kids? I understand if
there's no greater your doing, your performing the job that
(04:02):
you are ill equipped for, and you need to either
hire outside people or just do a better job of
finding somebody inside your beltway that knows what they're doing.
Because there is no world in which that's a good decision.
Here's the defense of those types of decisions. Well, we
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have the arena. It's expensive, so we got to get
all the games in one day, and you know, we
want to make sure the girls and the small schools
get their due, get their time, so they likely play
it at night those games. And here's my advice on that. Okay,
(04:45):
I'm not going to again. If we're about everybody getting
a fair shot and playing at the right time, fine,
that means for example, Oklahoma, I forget what they're on
care they have an on campus arena. It's really cool.
I just wish joke is togleon. You know, they're trying
to get this new entertainment center built in downtown Norman,
nine thousand seat arena. You know, get them on par
(05:06):
with everybody in the SEC with one of these small,
brand new arenas like Auburn, like Old miss whatever, but
and a little bit bigger than the size of Baylor.
That's all great, but they have a little on campus
on campus arena. Heay, perfect for girls, per for small schools,
literally perfect, perfect lay there, you can play at two
(05:28):
sites at once. You can extend it and pay some money,
but you're not going to make any money if your
big schools are playing at nine am, three hours, two
hours from their campus. It's just dumb, right, just dumb.
It's a lot like when you're coaching, you just if
you can eliminate dumb shit, you have a better chance
(05:51):
to be successful. That's some dumb shit, right, inarguably dumb shit.
Having six eight teams, a couple of the best teams,
the biggest schools in the state. But even that, Like
again I'm okay with we want to protect the small
schools and the girls basketball and have them play in
primetime out as well. Fine, you don't need to have
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them play in the big arena. Nobody goes to waste
of money. You know, wasys the facility. But Jesus is
this stupid? It's not that hard. And then look, one
more issue there is you got a lot of state titles.
You know you're gonna have six in Oklahoma like that
(06:35):
a lot, not a ton of people in the state
last state titles. But if you're gonna have it, that's fine.
And we're gonna have all these other state titles for
these smaller programs, so they compete because the bigger schools
in Oklahoma, you know, the and OASA is pretty big.
It's like three I think three thousand students whatever. But
you know, you get Jinks in Union and somebody, they're
like four or five thousand students. And you know, if
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you have five hundred students, like, how we compete with that?
We can't compete, I understand. So if we're gonna have
smaller schools, they'll be fine with not playing in the
big arena, you know. And part of it is there's
you know, they're going to redo the state fair arena
as well. There's other issues. I don't give a shit.
You got to be smarter than a six am game,
(07:21):
a nine am excuse me, nine am game. Again, it's
not just about I don't want to get up like
that's going to be the last basketball game. That probably
ninety percent of the kids. That's just again, stop doing
stupid shit. That's stupid shit. We're gonna welcome in Jeff Goodman,
who if you haven't seen it. Goodie and I we
(07:43):
do a We do a show on Stadium daily called
Goodman Versus Gottlib. It's pretty cool. We enjoy doing it.
And we're just gonna He's driving, I'm driving. We're just
going to talk coaching jobs go around the country and
mostly all high major coaching jobs. I think you'll like
that discussion, super O gain. Before we get to that,
(08:05):
I did want to give you my thoughts on Arizona
and Solomon on Knight in pursed against UCLA. I mean,
a complete and utter dismemberment in what I like. I
like the Boswell wasn't trying to win the game on
his own. He picked his spots, and then when they
made their run late in the first half, it was,
(08:26):
you know, he hit a big three, he made a
cup big plays. Obviously, love can go get buckets. I mean,
he's gonna he's gonna shoot regardless. But I do think
that Tommy has done a very good job of managing
that and that's a weapon that they're going to use
moving forward. It's a good team. It's a very good team,
especially when you have key Shot Johnson at the four.
(08:49):
You know, he's so athletic. I'm actually surprised. I would
love for them to take a look at key shot
at the five getting ready for the NCAA tournament. You know,
they have they have, they have others coming off the
bench that are really athletic, and I you know, he
does go to a more athletic lineup off the bench,
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but always has a traditional five. I would I would
take a look at not having a traditional five. The
Arizona has a lot more offensive firepower than in some
previous years, and they have also, you know, people were
really down obviously on Kirk Krisa at the end. Some
of it is, you know, attitude and persona, but I
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think a lot of it is that, you know, he
can't really break down a defense. He's not a defensive stopper. Well,
they're they're better there this year. I like them. I
like them. I can't say that I love them, and
I'm a little bossis over their bigs having to cover
out on the floor. And I also think that there
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can be maybe a little bit of a lack of
shooting right when you're playing and I and I saw shot,
he made one, he missed one in terms of three,
but so many other teams playing with four and five shooters.
You're playing with three and maybe two and a half
at times, depending upon who you got out there. Those
are my concerns are Caleb Love's shots selection, their overall
(10:17):
shot selection. They only really have one guy who's a
point guard, you know, in Boswell, a real backup guy,
and they don't necessarily have enough guys that create shots. Brothers,
but they're better and tougher defensively than they've been. You
have two guys that played in the National Champion Game
(10:38):
in subsequent years in Love and Johnson, and I kind
of think they're like a Purdue right if you can
get out of that first weekend, that's a really dangerous team,
really dangerous team. I'm higher on them. I haven't seen
them in person than I was watching them last month
or so on TV. All right, let's get to our
(11:01):
conversation with our guy, Jeff Goodman. Jeff, let's list do
this thing. Okay, So you're driving, I'm driving. Where are
you driving? Some by the way, I.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Have no WiFi.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
My dumb ass has decided to put our house in
the market in three weeks, so we had somebody to
come by and refinish our hardwork floors last night yesterday.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
And they knocked out the Wi Fi. We can't figure
it out.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
They're here again today, So I'm like, I don't know
what I'm doing today. I don't know where I'm gonna
watch games.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Are you moving to Charleston? You're you moving to Charleston.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I don't know what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
We like, I think so, but we're gonna rent first
and figure it out.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Like we want to be down there and see if
we really like it enough to buy there or honestly,
for the next two years, we could just bounce, just
bounce around, go Charleston to Florida, back to Boston in
the nice weather, never see city weather.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
That's my goal.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Okay, California, we have seasons, the good one, that's what
we got. Yeah, uh okay, Well I am driving to Durham.
I decided to fly into Charlotte and do the drive.
Why uh just the timing of the flights worked out
better for me. And then I'm doing the Big South
(12:22):
Championship on Sunday on Westwood. That's that's at high Point,
so So High high Points only an hour from Charlotte.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Ye have been have you been to High Points Campus?
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Ever, I haven't I heard. It's amazing. It's like a
fourth Seasons excited.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Maybe you get a spots treatment while you're.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
There, Maybe maybe I can. Uh. Okay, let's let's do
the coaching job thing. Okay, purely organic. The beauty to
this is right like where this is how real conversations
take place, not the conversations that everybody has to have
on Twitter or on TV. Right, Okay, so let's start
(13:08):
with Let's start out west, because yesterday Mike Hopkins got
fired and we kind of all saw it coming. First,
you have a new ad. Second, they haven't really done shit.
You know, you do feel it's weird because they literally
fired him the day after he beats Wazoo on the
road in the same year they beat Gondaga. Feels like
(13:30):
most people think it's a formality that it sprinkle. Is
that too strong a way to put it?
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Probably too strong? Probably too strong, but makes so much sense.
You know, you always like there's a hot name, right,
there's a hot name every year, and then there's the
guy who's kind of done it for a while that
people have just kind of fallen asleep on a little
bit because he's done it so long. And that's Leon
Rice against Danny Sprinkle. And it's not like there's like
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this huge age gown. It's not like Danny Sprinkle's, you know,
thirty two years old.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
But he's just.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Burst out of the scene here lately. Right, Montana State
did a great job. Utah State's done an incredible job
this year in his one season.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
He's the odds on favorite for me.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
But yeah, I think leon Rice has a shot there,
and I think it probably is a two horse race
at the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
But again we'll see.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
With obviously Troy Danon coming from Tulane, who else he
might have in mind. Hopefully it's not to bring Mike
Dunleavy senior back to college coaching.
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Speaker 1 (14:47):
Do you know that I was, I guess a finalist
with Mike dunlaedyr.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I do, I do? I remember that you were in
that mix?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
So I I had a great I know with Troy too.
He came and saw me and in Westport, Connecticut. That
was right before I moved to California. What was the
restaurant got? It's really good? Oh man, I'll think of it.
I forget what's what it's called. Think of it anyway. Uh.
(15:18):
You know, Troy started at Northern Iowa, right, and then
to Tulane and did a great job with football, and frankly,
you know his second higher basketball is really good.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
But yeah, I mean, okay, So if Leon doesn't get Washington, yeah, right,
and MaTx is finally graduated, yeah, Like, is this a
he gets out or he stays there forever sort of thing?
Speaker 4 (15:49):
You know, It's weird because I think everybody thinks that
it's automatic, and it probably is that Brian Michaelson gets Gonzaga,
But I feel like, why isn't Leon in the equation there? Like,
if you think about it, doesn't it make more sense
when Mark feud does retire if he retires the next
year or two obviously if he goes five more. But
to me, doesn't it make more sense to give it
(16:12):
to a guy who's already been coaching as a head
coach for twelve fifteen years, who's done a really good
job at Boise every single year or No.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
It does, But I also think maybe that ship is sailed.
I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
You're probably right, You're probably right. I just don't know why.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Okay, But here's here's here's here's a question that's really
interesting if you think about Okay, let's say Kyle Smith
at Wazoo gets the Vanderbilt job, which I know the
Vanderbilt job is not open, but percent chance Vanderbilt job
comes open.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Jeff very hot the only you know, the ad the
a D wants to keep him, but it sounds like
she's going to be overruled. And I mean, he's done
an atrocious job there other than one half of one seasons.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Okay, So so let's let's say.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
He left competition though, but he's gonna have competition. I mean,
Kyle Smith, well, he's done a great job, Doug, and
he has really tough spots, right, we know Colombia, San
fran and Washington State are hard jobs.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
He has not gone to the tournament.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Chris Mack is gonna be in the mix, right, Chris
Mack is going to be in the mix for that one?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Could Chris Holtman want it? Their resume is a stronger now.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
That they've had much better jobs, obviously, but the question
is what do you do if you're Vandy. Are you
taking a guy that, yeah, has done as much with
less as just about anybody. But again, he's he's never
been down there. He's been all over the place. He's
been in the Northeast, he's been in the Pacific Northwest, he's
(17:51):
been in the West. But like, I don't know, it's
a little different now at Bandy than it Like people
people equate Mandy to this like academic job, and it is,
but it's also in the SEC Doug, so it's not
like it's your typical academic job. You've got to be
able to figure shit out and work angles, and I'm
(18:15):
not sure Kyle Smith is going to be able to
do that at Mandy and get them to be Like,
I think he's a solid pick there, but I think
like a Chris Mack would be more of like you
might be able to really hit it with him.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Okay, I mean I was We'll get we'll circle back
to Vandy in a second. But the question, the question was,
if you're Leon Rice, say Wazoo, Wazoo's gonna play in
the WCC for now, probably ends up in the Mountain West, right.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Yeah, didn't he turn that down about ten years ago.
He turned that down about ten years ago.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I know what level of job, like a Washington State like,
what level of job is that? Moving forward?
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Not good job, not a good job. But again the
question is what are they gonna pay now?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Right?
Speaker 4 (19:06):
What are they gonna pay? If you're Leon Rice, like
you said, Max is gone, do you hit that one payday?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Now? You're making good money at Boise.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
But if you're if you're gonna double your your salary,
do you just say at this point in your career, Hey,
you know what, I'm gonna roll the dice at this point.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
But but I guess here's the here's here's the other
side to it. If you're Washington State and and you
know right now those schools Organ State, Washington State financial
windfall because they're the last two, you know, holding that
that pack tall banner. So they're making a bunch of money.
But eventually the bottom is gonna fall out, right, So
if you're Washington State, like, what do you pay for
a head basketball coach knowing that that TV revenue is
(19:44):
disappearing in a couple months, You're.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Not gonna pay No, You're you're probably gonna go young
I mean to me, you're gonna go young mid major cheap,
like if really, if you're being honest here, And it's
probably why Oregon State doesn't fire Win Tinkle right now.
They don't too much money still, you know from that
that one run, that Elite eight run the bubble, it
was one of the more baffling contracts ever given by
(20:08):
Scott Barnes. And Scott Barnes has made a couple boneheaded moves,
that being one of them.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
And obviously no no Irank Kevin Stallings at Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
That's number all time.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Yeah, but that no, but given Tinkle give and Tinkle
all that guaranteed money after one Elite Elite eight run,
it's pretty damn close.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Plus they were five hundred that year.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Yeah, yeah, like like that's and I like Scott Barnes,
but it's it just shows some of these days.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Listen, listen, listen. I like Scott as well, for people
who don't know, he's a poor basketball player, right and
so uh he also didn't he I don't remember if
he hired and fired Dury at Utah Stank.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I don't think that was him.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I don't know anyway. Yeah, that one's that's the but
but look, I think the mistake that the a D
may okay is not necessary, Like you can make a
higher word, you can reward a guy. I don't understand
how they get talked to these crazy extensions because they
(21:20):
fear losing their coach. Like if you had a coach
who's just okay, and then he goes on a tournament
run and he gets hot and somebody wants to come
and take him off your hands, like okay, you know,
and if you're gonna you're gonna give him a bump, like,
give him a bump. It doesn't have to be over
five or six years.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Can I give you the best example? Can I give
you the best recent example of that? Yeah, Dennis Gates.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Which stop right now?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Right after one year.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Dennis Gates. Dennis Gates, they gave him guaranteed money. Desi
Rae who just left for Arizona, the former Missouri A
D gave him like guaranteed twenty twenty five million.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
How many wins do they have in the league this year?
Doug zero zero?
Speaker 1 (22:08):
I mean, how is that possible?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I mean it just shows you sometimes you get.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
It at how did Missouri fall completely apart?
Speaker 4 (22:19):
It's amazing I mean that that's the problem is these
ads don't understand the marketplace and they don't understand like, Okay, Dennis,
we're not giving you that much guaranteed money. Uh, you
did it for one year. That's great. If you want
to go get something else, you know what, go go
if you want to go go see what else you
can get.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
That's better. We gave you a.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Job right when he didn't didn't have one. Yeah, a
gigantic job. It's a gigantic job. I guess I don't understand,
like why the contracts are so long. The sport is
it doesn't.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Matter though, but those still matter. All that matters is
the out or the guaranteed money. So like you can
give somebody calipery.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
That's in the length of the contract.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Like Bill self. Yeah, but like okay Bill.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Bill self's got a lifetime deal done, but it's buyout.
Isn't that high like if.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Bill Bill So it's different. Obviously it's different with Bill self.
I get it. But all I'm saying is these a
ds you can give them.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Please. You just mentioned we just talked about Dennis Gates
and Bill Sell and their contracts.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
All right, all right, all right, all right, I.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Like just comparing it's like, man, I mean, please, let's
not do that. Let's if you're going to construct a contract.
Like again, the the ads at the high level, the
crazy part about it is eights at the low and
mid major level, a lot of them have a lot
of balls like, hey, we just can't afford it. We'll
(24:00):
walk away from it, you know. Whereas the adies at
the high level they get they they again, and neither
of us know for each one what it's actually like
a lot of times they get pressure from Booster Solutions
say look, I'm only giving you money if this guy
is the head coach. That's the way it works. So
it's gonna be pasting all right, Ohio State, where are
(24:21):
we de one?
Speaker 4 (24:24):
I mean, I still think it's gonna end up falling,
not falling, but I think Dusty May will be the
guy there.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
At the end.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
But again Lamont Paris, an Ohio native, could be in
the mix here. We don't know if Dusty May will
definitely take it again. If you kind of look at
the tea leaves, it makes a lot of sense, right.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
It fits him.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
You know, he's a guy that doesn't love the limelight.
He'd rather every everybody close to him has told me
he would rather Ohio State than Indiana, where he was
a manager. Anyway, he hired Andy Miller, the former NBA
agent who's now repping college coaches, some not many. Andy
(25:06):
Miller works with Rich Paul at Clutch. Last I checked,
Lebron was a big Ohio State fan. So I think
Rich Paul is also, you know, the from Ohio. So
I think that's a natural fit for Dusty at the
end of the day, and Dusty going through what he's
going through right now this year, with like barely getting
in the tournament, I think he realizes. Okay, Joe, I
(25:28):
really want to be in the A. I love Boca,
but is it worth it. I'm basically in a one
bid league right now. I'm basically gonna be a one
bid league.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
No, you gotta get the fuck out, correct, correct?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
You do? Lamont Paris Sean Miller. You know, I think
he's on the list, but I don't. I don't know
how high up he is. I think they want.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Dusty, and I think Dusty ultimately will end up taking it.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Okay, who gets fort Atlantic?
Speaker 4 (25:58):
So Josh Shurtz went to school there from Indiana State.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
He went to fa.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Indiana State for Florida Atlantic.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
No, no, no, I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
I don't think it makes sense in any regard because
it's not a great job. We know that you don't
want to follow a dusty man.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Now, I don't know. I don't think one of the
assistants will will get it.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
I think Abernathy and Kyle Church have done a great
job there and they probably should get it. But I
think you know, uh, White will we'll we'll swing for
the fences there and try to get a big name.
He's got a million dollars to work with. I could
see him trying to bring in a you know, hopefully
not a recirculated guy.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
But then if you go young up and comer, who
are you getting? Like, who are you getting?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Would you go Josh Pastor?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
There?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
It's Florida Lank has been a place. You know, they
recessed it. They were laying Kippen's career. And I not
that it's the same as Pastor, but Pastor might might
make sense there that that type of he he's still
young ish and yet he needs another spot. And as
the same kind of energy is as dusty that one
could be to be in.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
You mentioned I like Josh Rice. If Rice open, I.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Have heard Rice is potentially very close ye ye, And
and uh that that one would make would make some sense,
would would make some sense? Uh what else? What?
Speaker 4 (27:31):
What?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
What other shoes are gonna drive? We're waiting for Virginia. Okay,
let's let's go left Virginia. Okay, So they Long, I
mean most people believe that Ren Baker Long had an
infatuation with Dusty. Dusty has told people his dad was
a coal miner, you know, so there's all these connections.
They have a lot of money, they have n I
(27:52):
l way better job than people think. Okay, so if
if not Dusty, then who.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
I mean the name floating around a lot is Mark
Buyington and James Madison.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
They may not make the tournament. I mean they were
great early.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
You know. You look at him, you look at Josh Shurtz,
you look at the other guy in the Sun Belt
who won the Sun Belt, Dustin Kerns at our state,
a Nico medbed. Guys like that, I think they're gonna
end up with a mid major coach. For the most part,
I'd be surprised if they don't.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
The next one.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Look at well I mean, you know, obviously I think
Stanford could pop Monday. You know, Bernard Weir has in
the last couple of years come out and given Jared
Hass a vote of confidence this time of year. He
won't do that now. He told me the other day
he'll meet with Jared the end of the year and
(28:49):
evaluate things. I think evaluating means it's it's over. It's over.
You know, Hass has had talent, so then that I
think is the the probably the most I don't know,
app landing spot for Kyle Smith. And I'm not sure
it's like a great move because it's not like Stanford's
(29:11):
got you know, like like they got to worry about transfers.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
That's hard to get them in.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Do they really care about basketball that much these days?
I don't think it's a great great but like, if
you're Kyle Smith, you've got to get the hell out
of Pullman, don't you.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
You do it?
Speaker 1 (29:26):
And a lot of it reminds you actually of Columbia.
You know, where you have on campus housing, you know,
so you save a bunch of money there and yeah,
you have all kinds of red tape. I mean, it's
crazy because Stanford used to be the model, right, it
used to be they used to have the best environment
maybe in the in the Pacto. Yeah, it's so good,
(29:47):
and you know it's the model for student athletes, like
that's where you want to go. Come to the farm
and and they've had so many successful people in that
just bat and they were really good basketball. Man. Be
the acc is hard. I don't know how that's gonna work.
No one, no one, No one goes anyway. That's hard.
(30:09):
That's hard. But that's kind of been Kyle. Especially the
other name there is Russ Turner, right, and yeah he's
you know, wins the league again in the big last
kind of institution at you see your vine, that one
would be a shoe. Why did why did Indiana keep
Mike Woindson?
Speaker 4 (30:31):
I mean, you know again because he did go to
the tournament the last two years and it hasn't been
a complete bottom out like Kenny Payne. Uh like even
Juwan Howard. Now Juwan obviously did a lot more early
in his career. And that'll be one to watch, but
I think there's more. He's one of their own, and
you're gonna give one of your own, especially when a
(30:53):
guy like Quinn Buckner has a lot of juice, and
Quinn played it Indiana and is a board, you know,
on the board some juice there. I just think the
old school people are like, Okay, you know what, he
hasn't done that bad. Now They're gonna have almost four
million dollars in Nile this coming year. So if they
don't get it done this year, it's completely on Mike Woodson.
(31:15):
They got to keep some of the players they have
some retention and then go get a point guard. But
you know, the big thing too, was if Dusty May
was dying to come to Bloomington and like he called
and was like, hey, you know what, yeah, I would
take it now, like.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
This is it.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
I'm gonna take Ohio State. If not, but I really
want the Indiana job. It might have been different, but
that wasn't the case. Again, so I think it was like,
who we getting anyway if we make a move on
Woodson right now?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
They lost their all three their includingam McNeil yesterday. Yes,
but but I actually, I mean he's a he's a
big loss, big loss, big kid. It could really shoot
the fucking ball, really just knows how to play. But
(32:11):
like the reality is, you have that money in the nil.
You go out and spend it on veteran players, you
have a much greater likelihood of success, right, you have
a much better likely to success.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
But the hell out of it. He's smart. He's not
your typical freshman.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
I'm not saying he wasn't going to be like the star,
but he would have been a nice piece.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, yeah, he could have been their furkey. He could
have been there for yeah right, right, but not end
of the world.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
That one.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I think that one hurt more than the other two
guys decomitting. But you know it hurt, but it's not
it all is all changes if you get the right
kids in the portal.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Yeah, Louisville, I mean, uh, obviously a move will be
made on him here soon. Although a lot of people
are like, oh, maybe he'll keep his job. I just
don't see any way he keeps his job. And obviously
the the the pipe dream is Scott Drew. I've said
this to you forever. That's who I know. Want.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
I know they want why again, why would Scott Drew lee?
Speaker 4 (33:24):
He probably won't, but you got to make him say no.
Like he's the one guy that like if you throw
a crazy number at him and you also throw a
crazy nil number at him, which I'm not sure they
can do yet, but I think they can get there
if they want to. Let's face it, it's Louisville.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
So I think he ends up saying no.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
And then obviously Greg McDermott stayed at Creighton, so then
you're dealing with some mid major guys.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Again.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
What people have to realize here is the best guys
that we think should be available have huge biots, huge bats.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
We start we started by talking about this, right and
that why do they exist? Well, they exist for two reasons.
Coaches want them to protect against these bad years. Dennis Gates. Uh,
you know, like you name it mc cronin. So that's
(34:25):
why coaches want them, and administrators occasionally it's to protect
them from somebody coaching their coach. But really they they
acquiesce to so that so that a coach kind of
protects himself, which I do understand. Okay, so what about
Chris Beard. You're not optional?
Speaker 4 (34:46):
No, I I've been told that that the Beards and
the Sean Millers are off the table because of everything
that that Louisville program has gone through with Patino, all
the drama, all the embarrassment. So I don't I don't
think it's gonna be Beard. I don't think it's gonna
be Sean Miller. I'm not even sure. I think Eric
(35:06):
mussels out of the equation because again, yeah yeah, because
you know, again he's he's tough.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
To deal with.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
I think you're looking at a group, the Porter Moosers,
the Nico Medviz, the Jerome Tangs, the Pat Kelsey's, Lamont Parris,
Josh Shirtz, that group.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Jamie Dixon.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Maybe I don't see him over paying though. I don't
think he's gonna overpay for a guy that's like a
mid tier guy like that. Like, I don't think he's
gonna pay Jamie Dixon four and a half million. I
think he would rather pay, you know, Niko Medved three million.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Don't like get a guy who can pay him a
million five two million and then put all of it
in the nil. Yeah, I mean, what are we doing here?
You know, brain, that's where the that's where the players
come from. Okay, what about DePaul.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
You know, Bobby Hurley.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
It makes sense, probably too much sense Porter Moser if
he would I just don't think they're gonna pay him
a five million dollars buyout to Paul. They need money
for Nil, so like that, that one doesn't make a
lot of sense. They talked to Holtman, I don't think
he take it. You know, Hurley seems to be the
(36:22):
most likely because he needs to get out of Dodge
with Arizona State, even though they've got a new a
d I think he's probably got a year left, you know,
like the Mark Byington's, the Josh shurtz is, the Darren
Devrees probably in the mix there. But I think Hurley
just makes too much sense other than the fact that, man,
those family dinners are going to be rough between DePaul
(36:45):
and Yukon, you know, the you know you got the
worst job in your league, your brother's got the best job.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
I don't love that dynamic. They may not talk to
each other for years.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Could he have taken Saint John's a year ago, No.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Not a year ago, like three years ago before Mike Anderson.
You know, he probably could have had a band because
he was hot then, and he could have had to
Paul the last time he was hotter than you know,
he's cooled off the last three or four years. You
and I know how how good a job he's done overall, if.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
You look at it.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
But the problem is, again, Chris Holman did a good
job overall. It doesn't matter. What matters is what mc cronin.
What matters is what have you done for me lately?
Unless you've gotten.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
To a final four?
Speaker 4 (37:31):
And even mc cronan went to a final four and
they're ready to run him out.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Yeah, explain to me the ucl I think they're like, Okay,
So here's what I know. I mean, I know more
about UCLA basketball than I think anyone would lead you
to believe. You know, I realized it's stuff to get
kids in school, especially transfers. I realized that suppose of
the nil is limited. I don't think they did a
(37:58):
particularly good job of building their roster knowing they were
going to lose all those guys last year, right, like you,
you should have backfilled your roster with guys and played
some younger players and been further along this year so
you knew some of this was coming. But there's also
(38:19):
the like Martin Jarmondin is a former he's a basketball player,
but he just lost his football coach who took a
four million dollar pack cup. Now most of us realized
Chip Kelly was probably going to be fired at the
end of this year anyway, And you know now they're
hired to Sean Foster. We actually, I don't know if
you know this. He's my former high school teammate. He's
(38:41):
a freshman out the senior got called up, got called up. Yeah,
I got called up for horse steep basketball for our
playoff run.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
It's cool. Sean's great dude, and so I'm super happy
to him. I just I don't know if you compete
there in football if you're not going to spend. They're
not spending on coaches now, so maybe they're spending on NL.
I'm not sure. But like we both think, we both
know Mick really well. He's not. None of these guys
in that level war that easy to deal with, right,
(39:10):
But he's also not He's.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Not no, no, he's not.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
He's not one fun, just intent intense. So I guess
what's going on with U. C l A.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
But here's the thing. Here's the thing, all right, Doug,
here's the thing. He inherited Haimi Hakis and Tiger Campbell.
They were two tough dudes, right, like, like we we
wondered when when Mick got to l A. What was
the one thing we wondered, like, well, at Sincy, what
did he win with top dudes who play it harder
(39:46):
than everybody else? Well, he inherited two of those and
now they're gone, and can he get those guys to
u C l A.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Like, I just didn't think the.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
International guys were going to work for Mick Kroony, Like
I understand what he he was saying with was like,
I don't have to.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
Worry about TNIL though, Like the perception is perception is
that European players are more coaching. That the way to
make coaches, the way that the older school. That's how
your coach. And that's true, that that is how your coach.
Much more the coach is a much bigger factor overseason
than he is in the United States in terms of
(40:27):
you know, what the coach says goes. It's just that's
that's the way I go. But yeah, it's not that
they got international players. You've got to get the right
ones and can't have as much youth as they're playing.
I don't know. I think it's a it's an interesting deal.
Interest interest really going to be interesting what happens at UCLA, Like,
(40:52):
what what are we actually doing here with the most
story program in the history of college basketball and you
have a coach again, it's it's very similar to uh
when Alfred first got there, he won with Ben Allen's players.
When Ben Allen first got there, obviously he flipped it
in recruiting whatever. Ben actually won the PAC twelve in
(41:14):
his last year, which is crazy.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Right, right, They were just tired.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Of him allan thing. I mean, it was a little
bit of like what's happened to Mick? Where because it
didn't go well with Drew Drew Hollis, they stopped, they
couldn't get LA kids anymore, and then Mick and I
don't know enough about what happened, but Jared McCain, Caleb
(41:40):
Boss or Dusty Stromer, oh for three and you're coming
off upon a port Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Yeah, so yeah. I think part of it.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Part of it with Mick was again he's not warming fuzzy,
and I think with even the current players, it's hard
these days, right, It's hard when you throw him under
the bus. Woodson's done that in Indiana bunch this year.
Are you going to retain him? Because they have other
options now, they don't have to sit out. They don't
have to sit out anymore.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
They can go well again, I don't know. I mean,
after he threw him under the bus, they reeled off
a bunch of wins. They one or nine. I just
don't think One they're too young to even really know.
And then two there's some guys who just aren't very good.
And I also think he needs to evolve his offensive style.
(42:33):
I did the UCLA Arizona game two nights ago, and
in the first half, they kept throwing the ball to
a den Bona in the low post, like, one, what
are we doing?
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Yeah, that's not your option if that's number one, And I'm.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Sure that's what he's saying, like, hey, look, this is
the best chance I have to win, Like, you know,
it's not. He can't couldn't score the low post to
be locked him in the gym now with a running
start to basket on how and rolls. Yeah, he's tremendous.
That was a weird one there to keep throwing inside.
He had twelve shots in the first half. Yes, well yeah, wow, Okay,
(43:12):
so we've gone through all the any Okay, so big
eiast It'll only be only be DePaul Big ten big
ten hoybrig chept his job. Ben Johnson, Okay, so take
me through the mission. Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
I mean it's probably gonna be up to Juan. It's
probably gonna be up to Juan and whether he wants
to top out or not. You know, he's obviously had
some health issues and they've been atrocious. And you know,
one of his kids in the NBA kind of I
think the other one's got a year left, but you know,
he had an issue with a strength coach. I mean,
there's just been so much shit there and I don't
(43:56):
I don't think Wardmanual fires him. I think in kind
of like with Mike Woodson, I think there'll be some
changes made among the staff if he comes back. But
I don't I don't think Warmanuel has the kohonas to fire,
to call him in and say, hey, you're done.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
Uh my Florida State, I think Leonard Hamilton will be
told to retire.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
I believe that will be the case here. We'll see.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
He'll fight it, I would think, but I think this
might be a for him a second straight you know,
under five hundred year in the ACC.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Miami.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
I think Laareneagle will be back for another They were
atrocious this year, but I think he'll be back for
another year. We talked about a little bit about Bobby Hurley.
I think Tinka will be back. Anybody else. I think
Enfield's a year away from you know, I'll go next
year into the hot seat a little bit. Whether it's
(45:00):
fair or not, I don't know. Sec Bandy we talked about.
I think that'll be it. And then again, you just
got to look at some of these other guys that
I don't know if they want to retire or not yet.
But like again, we've talked about Mark Feu that won't
be easy if he does. Tony Bennett, I don't think
he retires, but who knows. Uh, Buzz Williams trying to
(45:24):
get out because you know, you know, there's a window
shelf life on Buzz everywhere he is, so he'll try
to get out if he can. You know, Todd Golden,
what happens there? Does he go back out west from Florida?
Speaker 2 (45:40):
We'll see? I mean, who knows?
Speaker 4 (45:44):
You do? Yeah, I can't. I can't. All I know
is I don't think he'll he'll go anywhere. I don't
think he'll go anywhere. So I think I think he's fine,
but there's a there's a minimal chance that he.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Could take one of those West Coast jobs or tried. It.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
Just wants to just not his jam bad fit. Okay,
sure sure, my little Game Day coaching move podcast we
thought you'd like herminded. The Doug Gottlieb Show airs daily
(46:24):
three to five Eastern. There's also now our podcast just
I've been Doug Godlib. You get all kinds of really
really really really good stuff. And my thanks to the
folks at Duke and Carolina, the folks of the Graduate.
I stay in this palatial room every time I come
to chapel. It's pretty dope. And we'll talk next time
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