All Ball - Pt. 1 Pepperdine HC Lorenzo Romar on WCC Depth, Transfer Portal Culture, '24 Team Preview
October 15, 2023 • 15 mins
Doug explains why this college hoops season is the hardest to predict since he’s been watching college hoops. Then he’s joined by Pepperdine Head Coach Lorenzo Romar from the Western Coast Conference media day to discuss the depth in the WAC, adapting to the transfer portal culture, and his expectations for the upcoming season.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hey, what abum, Doug Gollie, this is all ball. Well,
let's get to starting college basketball discussions, right, And it's
going to be a very very interesting year where you
have so many players in new places that as much
as we'd like to say we know who's going to
(00:29):
be good or who's not going to be good.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I mean even I've been doing this now for twenty
one years, and this is, without any question, the most
difficult year to predict what's going to happen because there's
so many players that have transferred. And then you know,
we make this assessment that, well, a kid averages fifteen
a game one place, he goes to a similar level,
(00:52):
he's going to average. We have no idea how the
chemistry of that team works. You take Michigan State, for example.
On paper, you bring back super talented veteran players and granted,
you know you lose your shop blocker inside that's going
to make you different. And you bring in an outstanding
recruiting class and you think, well, they have depths and
they have talent, and now they have even more shooting
(01:14):
and ball handling and athleticism. That looks great, but how
does that all come together in terms of the chemistry
because we know the reality how the sport works. You're
not happy now.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Very early on, some guys will bail, many will be
thinking about the portal instead of thinking about winning a
league title. And granted is those the best. So if
there's one guy that can find a way to bridge
the gap between the older players and younger players, Tom
Izzo's that guy. But it doesn't make it any easier.
He's just really good at it. I bring that up
because some teams are trying to do it differently. Pepperdine,
(01:47):
for example, in the WCC, has tried to build organically
within Now they do have Ethan Anderson, who's a two
time transfer. He started at USC actually started for USC
deep in the ncaachroom when they made their lead eight
run and then he ends up at Wyoming last year
that was a disaster. Now he transfers to Pepperdine and
he'll play with a player named Houston Mallett who's tremendously
(02:10):
talented and versatile, kind of a one two three score
And even though they lost Maxwell Lewis to the NBA Draft,
still a very talented team that for the most part,
Lorenzo Romar has tried to build from within.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
How does that work right?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
You bring in a kid Nathan Anderson who played a
ton at USC thought he was going to start him
at Wyoming, doesn't work out, doesn't even last the entire season.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Now he's at Pepperdine. Is he all in?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Is he a fit?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Can they win?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Can they Can they get into the top two? Can
they make it the top three in the West Coast Conference?
I think these are great questions. More than anything. There's
a guy who's simply enjoyable to be around, and we
can we can pick apart the fact that Washington sort
of started to fall apart at the end of his run.
(02:56):
Their best basketball that they've had consistently in c was
when Lorenzo Romar was the head coach. So thought you'd
appreciate the fact I caught up with him at the
WCC Media Day and kind of a short preview and
some thoughts on how he's changed, how the games evolved,
and how coaching has changed as well. Here's my conversation
on all Ball with Lorenzo Romar. So, how do you
(03:22):
like your team?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I like the prospects of our team, Doug.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
We're finally a little bit older.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Last couple of years, you keep losing guys the NBA,
you keep recruiting. Y, we have it.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
We haven't really dipped into the transfer portal. We've kind
of been going in house raising our kids, so to speak,
and a couple of them left and went in the
portal themselves. For the most part, we're finally at a
point where it's going to pay off, I believe. And
we have a fifth year senior point guard Ethan Anderson.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
We usually play against those guys.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Yeah he played see.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Yeah, finally we have one ourselves and we have a
little more experience. We're still on the younger side, but
much more experience.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
So I like that.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
What is that like to have to like re recruit
your own kids on a yearly basis?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I would say you.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Re recruit them the entire year in terms of just
day in and day out.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Doug it.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
We haven't had to really talk anyone in the staying.
There were two that left and they just left right.
We didn't try to talk him into it. If they
want to leave, they want to leave. But the other
is a guy like Houston Malet, who's, you know, all
conference caliber player. This is going in his third year
and he hadn't had much success as a team, but
(04:42):
he's still with us. Javon Porter, who's an NBA guy,
he's back for another year. Malik Moore, who's gone, you're
going to see me will make a big jump from
last year to this year.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
He's back. So our guys have been pretty loyal.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
We haven't really had to sit down with them and say, look,
please stay.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
The league, which it used to be like three tiers, right,
and it used to be I felt like Gonzaga, Saint
Mary's then kind of like BUYU and maybe San Francisco
for a couple of years, and then the bottom now
feels like there's two, but everyone.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Outside of same arias Gonzaga is a lot closer.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Is that Is that fair? I said, that's totally accurate.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
I think you have to look at the work that
Gonzaga obviously has done, but then Saint Mary's as well.
There there are national level team in terms of who
they can compete against year in and year out, but
then the rest I think have have closed the gap.
And in this conference, I think everyone's capable of beating
(05:47):
anyone and it has happened before, so it's it's very
competitive and that's what you want in your conference?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
For you?
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Is it still fun?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
You always You're somebody that in my dealings with you,
You've always really enjoyed your interaction with the players right
the game itself. But it does feel like there's a
lot of people whove been around it as long as
you have that are kind of soured on some of
those aspects of it.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
What's it like for you, I've soured on some of
the things. When you talk about.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Kids can lead whenever they want for any reason, and
it's not basketball. Sometimes it's more like a professional situation
where you're a free agent and you're.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Going where you're going to get paid the most.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
That part is different and it's just taken some adjustment
to but it, Doug, it does not outweigh the fact
that what you just said, you get to work with
these guys and you get to watch them grow, You
get to be a part of maybe the most pivotal
time in their lives to help mentor them in the
game and away from the game.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
It's very rewarding and gratifying.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
For me.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
It's something that if I wouldn't getting paid to do it,
I'd probably still be doing it with somebody, So I
just I still enjoy it.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
What are you better at now than you use to?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Understanding the important things that make you the best that
you can be? Understanding what those is? What those are?
I think before, Doug, as younger, you tried to cover
a lot of things. You tried to be good at everything.
There's some that are good at everything, but there better
be a few essential, some core parts of this game
(07:23):
that you're very good at.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
What do you what do you what do you believe
your best at? What your your core?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Well?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Ultimately I would like to think, uh, putting players in
a position to show their best side. I would say
that would be what it is. Yeah, almost to a fault.
I think sometimes and what I've done, Doug, you know
me as a head coach. I always say we because
it's a staff. But if I'm making the final decisions,
(07:50):
I probably let guys that were young give them too
much freedom too early because they don't understand how to
use that freedom. I think when or older, they understand
it and then they have the ultimate freedom, the ultimate
green light. I probably err on the bad side, have
given them too much freedom, and that's something that I've learned.
(08:12):
I think I'm better at that I think I'm able
to talk to kids more about what is a good shot,
what's a bad shot when you're over dribbling early, and
why it makes a difference.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
What about your style as a coach really kind of
fit always with this era, even in a previous era, right,
But have you found yourself evolving and changing in how
you want to play offensive?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
No, not really.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I still think we provide a structure, but you can
go right or left within that structure, and it gives again,
it gives guys freedom. I would say when you asked
me a question earlier about things that are different and
what's really important, I think I've become more disciplined in
(08:58):
those areas than I was when I was a younger coach,
but yet still giving guys the freedom.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
How more discipline them away.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
If you loaf, if you don't guard, you got to
sit out. And before you'd sit down a little bit maybe,
but now you know, you really sit out and you're
gonna hear about it. So I'm probably more disciplined in
that regard.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
But you do it in a confrontational or non confrontational.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Way, in a very firm way, And it depends on
how much you resist to where it can become more confrecational.
But then there comes a point where there's no confrontation
at all. It's just you look on the side and
the guy says, I'm in for you.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
That's it. No confrontation, right, there's you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
That's right, sit there, and they mumbled to themselves, Yeah,
go ahead over there with d're out.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
They figure it out.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
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Speaker 1 (10:00):
How do you handle losing? Because not very well? Right,
But again, you look back and there were a couple
of years that you dot but not really where you'd lost,
you know, and you guys would always be honestly better
in the NCAA tournament than you would sometimes in the league, right,
make runs and in the Pac ten tournament, but you haven't.
(10:22):
But when you take a program that was where was
when you got there, you're gonna lose for a guy
who's won, and then you know, you play guarantees and
start a year.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Those are hard.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
How do you emotionally handle the losing that eventually leads
to the winning.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I probably handle it.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
It's tougher as a leader because the buck stops with you,
sure and everything. I don't care how much you get
on someone about we didn't do that, or you always
go back to yourself, what could I have done better?
But at the same time, as a leader, you got
to be the one that say tomorrow's a different day
and we got to continue to get better.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
And as a result of that, I'm not one to
bury people.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I'm trying to motivate them to find out how we
can get better constantly. And you don't want to be
totally condescending because you lose them. But it's not easy
to lose. That's when more transfers start to happen. More
parents are calling wondering why they can't, kids don't play more.
All of that, everyone has an answer, they can solve
(11:24):
your issues.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Just a whole plethora of issues come in.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
You mentioned Houston obviously a really talented kid, right and
even Ethan. Now Ethan's won some when he was at
SC didn't win anyone who's at Wyoming last year. But
I think the hardest thing, especially when you have a
group like you have, some of these kids that have
been together. Is that final step, which is winning those games.
Now you've won to ask the championship. You've been a
(11:48):
part of all these NCAA termed teams, Sweet sixteen teams.
How do you teach them to win the games that
the last couple of years you've been close.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
But you've lost.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Continue to teach the things we've been teaching. Continue to
teach those things. These are the essentials, These are the
non negotiables, and we're gonna stick with those, and then
you gotta win one.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
What are your not negotiators?
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Again, You're gonna play hard. Bottom line, you're gonna play hard,
You're gonna share the ball. If you do those things,
then somehow you gotta win one. So easy, everyone doesn't
do it. And you're talking about in this day and
age especially, people want to get to the NBA as
as soon as possible. They select their schools based on
(12:32):
what where can I get the most NIO money and
where can I get to the NBA as quickly as
I can. So if that's their mindset coming in, you
got to get them to play as a team. So
you know that's difficult to do. But once all of
that starts to happen. Then you gotta win one, and
then you gotta win two, and then there's buy in.
People forget you mentioned at the University of Washington, we
(12:53):
took the program over because they weren't winning, and then
our first year we didn't win, and then we start
a conference. Our second year, Doug, we were zering five,
didn't look like we were going anywhere, and then we
won one, then we won two, and then we end
up going to the tournament, and then we didn't look back.
So you just got to get over the hump, keep
doing things the right way, and then you win one
and then you start to believe it.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Last thing, it's a long year, right, I got the
forty five day.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Dude's been practicing a while.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
How do you manage how much you want to get
in their bodies with the fact that they all have,
whether it's diagnosed or not, some form of add where
they can't they can't.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Focus for law, like, what are you like?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
In terms of grinding them in practice now and as
a progressor of the.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Season, continue to continue to explain why you're doing something?
Why is this so important?
Speaker 5 (13:48):
They want to know the why?
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, right, when they know the why, this is the
difference in winning and losing a three point game. And
if we don't get this down, it's not going to happen.
You mentioned Useonson, what happened when we were at BYU
and we had the game won, coach, the same thing.
We didn't box out. This didn't happen. So we'll show you.
You continue to point those things out day in and
(14:13):
day out, and don't look at the big picture at
that time with them. Just look at that next day
and try to explain why that day, why that drill
is so important. Next thing, you look up a month
that's gone by, and you're ready to start playing.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
A little bit.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
What's the ceiling for this team?
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I think when everyone's healthy, which we are right all
right right now, if we can get healthy and we
can embrace that system and win a couple and believe it,
I think we could we could have a chance to
play postseason basketball.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Well, look, I want to catch up again.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I want to go to the deep dive into all
the history stuff, all right, chance, But in the meantime,
it's always great to catch up with you.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Thanks for having me, man appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
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Speaker 1 (14:59):
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This is All Ball
Hey, what abum, Doug Gollie, this is all ball. Well,
let's get to starting college basketball discussions, right, And it's
going to be a very very interesting year where you
have so many players in new places that as much
as we'd like to say we know who's going to
(00:29):
be good or who's not going to be good.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I mean even I've been doing this now for twenty
one years, and this is, without any question, the most
difficult year to predict what's going to happen because there's
so many players that have transferred. And then you know,
we make this assessment that, well, a kid averages fifteen
a game one place, he goes to a similar level,
(00:52):
he's going to average. We have no idea how the
chemistry of that team works. You take Michigan State, for example.
On paper, you bring back super talented veteran players and granted,
you know you lose your shop blocker inside that's going
to make you different. And you bring in an outstanding
recruiting class and you think, well, they have depths and
they have talent, and now they have even more shooting
(01:14):
and ball handling and athleticism. That looks great, but how
does that all come together in terms of the chemistry
because we know the reality how the sport works. You're
not happy now.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Very early on, some guys will bail, many will be
thinking about the portal instead of thinking about winning a
league title. And granted is those the best. So if
there's one guy that can find a way to bridge
the gap between the older players and younger players, Tom
Izzo's that guy. But it doesn't make it any easier.
He's just really good at it. I bring that up
because some teams are trying to do it differently. Pepperdine,
(01:47):
for example, in the WCC, has tried to build organically
within Now they do have Ethan Anderson, who's a two
time transfer. He started at USC actually started for USC
deep in the ncaachroom when they made their lead eight
run and then he ends up at Wyoming last year
that was a disaster. Now he transfers to Pepperdine and
he'll play with a player named Houston Mallett who's tremendously
(02:10):
talented and versatile, kind of a one two three score
And even though they lost Maxwell Lewis to the NBA Draft,
still a very talented team that for the most part,
Lorenzo Romar has tried to build from within.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
How does that work right?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
You bring in a kid Nathan Anderson who played a
ton at USC thought he was going to start him
at Wyoming, doesn't work out, doesn't even last the entire season.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Now he's at Pepperdine. Is he all in?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Is he a fit?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Can they win?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Can they Can they get into the top two? Can
they make it the top three in the West Coast Conference?
I think these are great questions. More than anything. There's
a guy who's simply enjoyable to be around, and we
can we can pick apart the fact that Washington sort
of started to fall apart at the end of his run.
(02:56):
Their best basketball that they've had consistently in c was
when Lorenzo Romar was the head coach. So thought you'd
appreciate the fact I caught up with him at the
WCC Media Day and kind of a short preview and
some thoughts on how he's changed, how the games evolved,
and how coaching has changed as well. Here's my conversation
on all Ball with Lorenzo Romar. So, how do you
(03:22):
like your team?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I like the prospects of our team, Doug.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
We're finally a little bit older.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Last couple of years, you keep losing guys the NBA,
you keep recruiting. Y, we have it.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
We haven't really dipped into the transfer portal. We've kind
of been going in house raising our kids, so to speak,
and a couple of them left and went in the
portal themselves. For the most part, we're finally at a
point where it's going to pay off, I believe. And
we have a fifth year senior point guard Ethan Anderson.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
We usually play against those guys.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Yeah he played see.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Yeah, finally we have one ourselves and we have a
little more experience. We're still on the younger side, but
much more experience.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
So I like that.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
What is that like to have to like re recruit
your own kids on a yearly basis?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I would say you.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Re recruit them the entire year in terms of just
day in and day out.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Doug it.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
We haven't had to really talk anyone in the staying.
There were two that left and they just left right.
We didn't try to talk him into it. If they
want to leave, they want to leave. But the other
is a guy like Houston Malet, who's, you know, all
conference caliber player. This is going in his third year
and he hadn't had much success as a team, but
(04:42):
he's still with us. Javon Porter, who's an NBA guy,
he's back for another year. Malik Moore, who's gone, you're
going to see me will make a big jump from
last year to this year.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
He's back. So our guys have been pretty loyal.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
We haven't really had to sit down with them and say, look,
please stay.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
The league, which it used to be like three tiers, right,
and it used to be I felt like Gonzaga, Saint
Mary's then kind of like BUYU and maybe San Francisco
for a couple of years, and then the bottom now
feels like there's two, but everyone.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Outside of same arias Gonzaga is a lot closer.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Is that Is that fair? I said, that's totally accurate.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
I think you have to look at the work that
Gonzaga obviously has done, but then Saint Mary's as well.
There there are national level team in terms of who
they can compete against year in and year out, but
then the rest I think have have closed the gap.
And in this conference, I think everyone's capable of beating
(05:47):
anyone and it has happened before, so it's it's very
competitive and that's what you want in your conference?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
For you?
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Is it still fun?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
You always You're somebody that in my dealings with you,
You've always really enjoyed your interaction with the players right
the game itself. But it does feel like there's a
lot of people whove been around it as long as
you have that are kind of soured on some of
those aspects of it.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
What's it like for you, I've soured on some of
the things. When you talk about.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Kids can lead whenever they want for any reason, and
it's not basketball. Sometimes it's more like a professional situation
where you're a free agent and you're.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Going where you're going to get paid the most.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
That part is different and it's just taken some adjustment
to but it, Doug, it does not outweigh the fact
that what you just said, you get to work with
these guys and you get to watch them grow, You
get to be a part of maybe the most pivotal
time in their lives to help mentor them in the
game and away from the game.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
It's very rewarding and gratifying.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
For me.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
It's something that if I wouldn't getting paid to do it,
I'd probably still be doing it with somebody, So I
just I still enjoy it.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
What are you better at now than you use to?
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Understanding the important things that make you the best that
you can be? Understanding what those is? What those are?
I think before, Doug, as younger, you tried to cover
a lot of things. You tried to be good at everything.
There's some that are good at everything, but there better
be a few essential, some core parts of this game
(07:23):
that you're very good at.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
What do you what do you what do you believe
your best at? What your your core?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Well?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Ultimately I would like to think, uh, putting players in
a position to show their best side. I would say
that would be what it is. Yeah, almost to a fault.
I think sometimes and what I've done, Doug, you know
me as a head coach. I always say we because
it's a staff. But if I'm making the final decisions,
(07:50):
I probably let guys that were young give them too
much freedom too early because they don't understand how to
use that freedom. I think when or older, they understand
it and then they have the ultimate freedom, the ultimate
green light. I probably err on the bad side, have
given them too much freedom, and that's something that I've learned.
(08:12):
I think I'm better at that I think I'm able
to talk to kids more about what is a good shot,
what's a bad shot when you're over dribbling early, and
why it makes a difference.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
What about your style as a coach really kind of
fit always with this era, even in a previous era, right,
But have you found yourself evolving and changing in how
you want to play offensive?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
No, not really.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I still think we provide a structure, but you can
go right or left within that structure, and it gives again,
it gives guys freedom. I would say when you asked
me a question earlier about things that are different and
what's really important, I think I've become more disciplined in
(08:58):
those areas than I was when I was a younger coach,
but yet still giving guys the freedom.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
How more discipline them away.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
If you loaf, if you don't guard, you got to
sit out. And before you'd sit down a little bit maybe,
but now you know, you really sit out and you're
gonna hear about it. So I'm probably more disciplined in
that regard.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
But you do it in a confrontational or non confrontational.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Way, in a very firm way, And it depends on
how much you resist to where it can become more confrecational.
But then there comes a point where there's no confrontation
at all. It's just you look on the side and
the guy says, I'm in for you.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
That's it. No confrontation, right, there's you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
That's right, sit there, and they mumbled to themselves, Yeah,
go ahead over there with d're out.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
They figure it out.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
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Speaker 1 (10:00):
How do you handle losing? Because not very well? Right,
But again, you look back and there were a couple
of years that you dot but not really where you'd lost,
you know, and you guys would always be honestly better
in the NCAA tournament than you would sometimes in the league, right,
make runs and in the Pac ten tournament, but you haven't.
(10:22):
But when you take a program that was where was
when you got there, you're gonna lose for a guy
who's won, and then you know, you play guarantees and
start a year.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Those are hard.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
How do you emotionally handle the losing that eventually leads
to the winning.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I probably handle it.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
It's tougher as a leader because the buck stops with you,
sure and everything. I don't care how much you get
on someone about we didn't do that, or you always
go back to yourself, what could I have done better?
But at the same time, as a leader, you got
to be the one that say tomorrow's a different day
and we got to continue to get better.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
And as a result of that, I'm not one to
bury people.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I'm trying to motivate them to find out how we
can get better constantly. And you don't want to be
totally condescending because you lose them. But it's not easy
to lose. That's when more transfers start to happen. More
parents are calling wondering why they can't, kids don't play more.
All of that, everyone has an answer, they can solve
(11:24):
your issues.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Just a whole plethora of issues come in.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
You mentioned Houston obviously a really talented kid, right and
even Ethan. Now Ethan's won some when he was at
SC didn't win anyone who's at Wyoming last year. But
I think the hardest thing, especially when you have a
group like you have, some of these kids that have
been together. Is that final step, which is winning those games.
Now you've won to ask the championship. You've been a
(11:48):
part of all these NCAA termed teams, Sweet sixteen teams.
How do you teach them to win the games that
the last couple of years you've been close.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
But you've lost.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Continue to teach the things we've been teaching. Continue to
teach those things. These are the essentials, These are the
non negotiables, and we're gonna stick with those, and then
you gotta win one.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
What are your not negotiators?
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Again, You're gonna play hard. Bottom line, you're gonna play hard,
You're gonna share the ball. If you do those things,
then somehow you gotta win one. So easy, everyone doesn't
do it. And you're talking about in this day and
age especially, people want to get to the NBA as
as soon as possible. They select their schools based on
(12:32):
what where can I get the most NIO money and
where can I get to the NBA as quickly as
I can. So if that's their mindset coming in, you
got to get them to play as a team. So
you know that's difficult to do. But once all of
that starts to happen. Then you gotta win one, and
then you gotta win two, and then there's buy in.
People forget you mentioned at the University of Washington, we
(12:53):
took the program over because they weren't winning, and then
our first year we didn't win, and then we start
a conference. Our second year, Doug, we were zering five,
didn't look like we were going anywhere, and then we
won one, then we won two, and then we end
up going to the tournament, and then we didn't look back.
So you just got to get over the hump, keep
doing things the right way, and then you win one
and then you start to believe it.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Last thing, it's a long year, right, I got the
forty five day.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Dude's been practicing a while.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
How do you manage how much you want to get
in their bodies with the fact that they all have,
whether it's diagnosed or not, some form of add where
they can't they can't.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Focus for law, like, what are you like?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
In terms of grinding them in practice now and as
a progressor of the.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Season, continue to continue to explain why you're doing something?
Why is this so important?
Speaker 5 (13:48):
They want to know the why?
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, right, when they know the why, this is the
difference in winning and losing a three point game. And
if we don't get this down, it's not going to happen.
You mentioned Useonson, what happened when we were at BYU
and we had the game won, coach, the same thing.
We didn't box out. This didn't happen. So we'll show you.
You continue to point those things out day in and
(14:13):
day out, and don't look at the big picture at
that time with them. Just look at that next day
and try to explain why that day, why that drill
is so important. Next thing, you look up a month
that's gone by, and you're ready to start playing.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
A little bit.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
What's the ceiling for this team?
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I think when everyone's healthy, which we are right all
right right now, if we can get healthy and we
can embrace that system and win a couple and believe it,
I think we could we could have a chance to
play postseason basketball.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Well, look, I want to catch up again.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I want to go to the deep dive into all
the history stuff, all right, chance, But in the meantime,
it's always great to catch up with you.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Thanks for having me, man appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
All right.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
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Speaker 2 (15:08):
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Speaker 1 (15:08):
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Speaker 2 (15:13):
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