June 16, 2022 • 38 mins
In this episode, Doug recaps and former Oklahoma State teammate Brian Montonati discuss the Finals through 5 games, what they expect in Game 6. They also look ahead to the draft, if Chet Holmgren should be the first pick, and how Brian is handling his own nationally ranked 15-year old son in the role of father and coach.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hey, what I welcome in. I'm godly this is all
Ball and Bryan Mott and I is my guest. We've
been friends since nineteen nineties seven, when we both transferred
into Oaklahoma State. You've heard us before talking about Eddy
Sutton stories. So in getting you ready for Game six
and talking a little NBA draft and giving you some
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insight into what it's like to be the dad of
one of the top rated fifteen year olds in the country,
rising freshmen in the country, I thought we'd ask him
about it. So take listen to our conversation. Okay, what
do you think of this series before it started? All right,
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Celtics and the Warriors? Before it started, what do you think? Man,
I thought it was gonna be. I thought i'd be
a little back and forth. And the reason being is
I think Marcus Smart does a heck of a job
Garden Steph. And I just thought with the way the
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Celtics played defense and their size, I thought they would
eliminate Draymond Green. And I thought it was going to
be a really good matchup for the Celtics defensively. So
I figured that the Warriors would struggle a little bit,
and I figured it would go seven games. So it's
been a little back and forth the last few games,
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but the Warriors have been playing extremely well. You know,
Steph in Game four had a phenomenal, phenomenal game, and
then Game five with Wiggins, you know, doing what he did,
I think kind of put the Warriors over the top
a little bit. You know. It's interesting. Wig was really good,
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but a lot of it was that was the first
time I can remember a team kind of selling out
to stop stop staff Seth. I mean I think about that,
like they were full face face guarding all the way
to mid court. You know, they're blitzing him on picking rolls,
and I mean it worked now, you know. Wig became
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the safety blanket, and I thought they did a great
job getting isolated on the centers. But I'm just surprised
more people haven't done it, or somebody hasn't done it,
Like there's no kind of commitment to like cut off
the head of the snake. He does everything. I totally agree, man,
but I figured they had to do something different after
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Game four, you know, and he's been playing phenomenal this series, man.
I mean he's been he's been by far head and
shoulders better than what I thought, or what I anticipated
anticipated him be and just because of the matchup with Marcus.
You know, Marcus has done a really good job with him,
but game four you couldn't guard him the same way
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you were gonna guard him in game Yeah. I mean
in game five, you're not gonna guard him the same
way he did in game four. You're not gonna do it.
You want to get fired the correct and so so
for him. That's why I kind of anticipated one of
the you know, and Clay, the guys have been solid,
but they just haven't had a breakout game, you know.
I mean Clay Clay is is you know, he's been
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what eighteen twenty, He just hasn't had that breakout game.
Wiggins hasn't had that breakout game. But the way they
were guarding and spending so much energy and attention on
on seth, you know, it freed up Wiggins to be
able to do what he was gonna do. And I
think too, you hit on a point two with the
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pick and roll situation. You know, I think they're you know,
I think Kura is doing a really good job, you know,
putting Williams in pick and roll, putting Horford and pick
and roll and just the matchup deal that he had.
Game four, you know, step Steph was getting open looks, man,
and you know Clay hit a couple of shots. But
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Wiggins playing at home, you know one of those guys
were gonna play play big time at home and have
a breakout game. But I here's the crazy thing. If
you told me Steph was gonna be over nine from three,
I would be like, man, it would be hard for
the Warriors to play or the Warriors to win, just
based off of the way the series has gone so
far and how much step has carried the Warriors. Yeah, okay,
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So I mean this one's a hard one because on
one level, I'd like to see a Game seven. I
always like to see if you really find out who's
hit and what's what in the game seven, right, dude,
just get tight. So I'd love to see what happened
game seven. On the other hand, the idea of the
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Golden State Warriors winning a championship on the parquet of
the Boston Guarden, that one appeals to me. Us which
which ending would you prefer to see? I want to
see game I'm I'm you know, I'm a basketball fan.
I want to see Game seven, man, I want to
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see Game seven, two minutes tie ball game. I want
to see these guys. I want to see these guys
play it out. You know, I think I think you know,
you're right with Golden State winning, you know, in Boston.
I think it would be huge. But Game seven, Man,
anything can happen in Game seven. Somebody turn an ankle,
foul trouble, guys have a bad shooting night. I mean,
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you know, it becomes a one game series then, you know,
I mean it's there's a lot of a lot of
drama can play out in the game seven. And the
biggest thing is just the thing is you know, being
you know, we we love ball, right We've done it
our whole life, and and and just watching it, watching
these guys compete, and how hard they're playing right now,
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and how skilled these guys are and how good they are.
I mean, who wouldn't want to have a Game seven?
You know, I think it. I think it's it would
do big for the NBA, And I think there would
be a lot of drama involved. Yeah, the game seven
Father's Day. He got the idea of the Warriors trying
to win at home. I'm not I don't know, it's
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not that I don't like Tatum. I liked Tatum, but
I've never been just in love. It's weird because I mean,
I think he had four air balls, but he actually
shot like ten of twenty from the floor, which I
know a lot of it was when it didn't matter,
but but still, I mean, he wasn't Statistically, he wasn't terrible.
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Why does it feel like he's been worse than he
actually has been because I think he's been overshadowed by
Steph and what STEP's doing. Like you said, he's he's
playing not terrible, but he hasn't had that elite NBA final,
setting his legacy as as one of the best guys
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in the league right now. And I'm with you too, because,
like I watched him at the end, it just seemed
like he got uncomfortable, especially in Game four, man, when
when Steph was going off and they just didn't have
an answer for for the Warriors. They did, they just
didn't make shots at the end, and and watching them
turn the ball over in game in Game five the
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way the way they did. I'm with you, man, I
think he's very talented, he's a hell of a player,
but I just don't know if if it's his time
yet to be the guy that that gets him over
the top, and and and can win two games back
to back, win a game six in a game seven
on the road. It's weird because we have it. I
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think part of it is we have an image that
all the guys who came in the league won immediately.
And bird Magic obviously won immediately. But Jordan it took
a long time right him to figure out Kobe it wasn't.
It definitely wasn't overnight. So they got Phil I mean,
you know, Duncan and walked into it, walked into a
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kind of a made deal. But the idea that that
these guys are are totally refined. I just it's weird.
It's like you get in your mind. Okay, Jason tam
fid to a point, But they did get further this
year than they've ever gotten last year. So it's hard
to tell whether he'll be able to overcome these things
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in the future or whether this is who he is
because he's at his athletic peak, you know, right right?
Is this speak like you said, is that is it a?
Is he at his all time high right now? Like
my thing is is like you get there and you
kind of learned, you go through the They're playing the Warriors, right, right,
The Warriors have been there, you know, staff Clay Draymond,
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They've been in this situation. They've played in a Game seven.
You know, it's still there. They're still at a really
high level. My thing is is is do the Celtics
if they end up losing this series, right, do they
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grow from this and make a run at the title
next year or is it like one of those things
where they got here one year and they kind of
fall off. So I'm an agreeance with you. I don't know,
there's a lot of questions with Tatum is a guy
that's got to He's got to play phenomenal tomorrow night
for them to have a chance to go back to
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Golden State on Father's Day. I mean, he's got to
have a Steph curry S type Game four performance for
them to even have a chance to play Golden State
on Game seven. You know, it's weird as none of
these games have ended up close scores. It's weird they
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just been the whole playoffs. Man, How is that? How
how is that? That's the weirdest kind of phenomenon. Ever,
that's a weird thing. But it's literally that's a thing.
The Celtics have been through a bunch of those, like
one of the closest, the closest game was the Nets game,
Game one against the Nets. But otherwise, I mean, it's
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been blowout city. But isn't it weird? I mean, especially
considering that gave the other night, you know, where the
Celtics couldn't score in the first quarter, couldn't make a shot,
then they make the run of the third quarter, you know,
but for Golden State to come back, but then to
just kind of annihilate them and blow them out of
the water is kind of fascinating. It's fascinating. So so
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what's your what's your what's your theory on that? I'm
not sure I have one. I'm sure I have one
because I would say it's a Golden State thing, but
it's not because I've you know, we saw with the
Heat and the Celtics, We've seen with with other series.
I don't know, I don't know why games kind of
sporadic control. You know, the Celtics obviously late in that
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Heat series kind of failed to close. I guess, so
that kind of got close. I think probably it is
because a lot of teams just don't know how to
I don't know how to make the comeback. I don't know,
it's a it's a weird I guess in the regular
season everybody, everybody comes back, but there have not There's
hasn't been buzzer beaters, haven't been overtime games. You know,
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I'm watching game one of the Stanley Cup Finals and
they already got overtime. Like, man, that's kind of fun. Anyway,
that's okay, Let's let's go to NBA draft. Are you
a check guy? I mean, I like him, and the
reason I like him is he's he's very skilled. I
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don't think he's a difference maker. You know, the first
couple of years he's playing in the league, he's obviously
got a mature and get stronger and and you develop
his body. But I think, you know, as skilled as
he is, man, I mean, I think he's a matchup
nightmare at times. But what's he gonna look like in
five question? I guess the big thing is like, what
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is he gonna look like in five years? You know,
he adds twenty pounds of muscle and he's not getting
pushed around. He's a matchup nightmare. So to answer a question,
am I a Chet fan? I love his skill, He's
really young. I'm intrigued by to see what he turns
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into in the next three to five years. One of
what Oklahoma say, what Oklahoma City he'll do? Because I
feel like Jabari is gonna go on, So then it's
Shedder or Apollo Apologies, he's a grown man. He's a
grown man. I think. I think you go Apollo if
you're okay. See well, I mean here's the thing the Thunder.
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The Thunder really don't have I mean, they're rebuilding, right So,
I mean, if you if you draft a guy like Chet,
you're still he's not He's still he's still a couple
of years away from being who he's going to become. Yes,
if you develop, if you if you get Polo, he's
got an NBA ready body right now. And I think
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year two he's a stud, you know what I'm saying.
And I don't know how much longer you can just
I don't know home how much longer you can you
can stack draft picks and and continue to wait and rebuild.
I mean, they've been to this rebuild phase. What now,
this is what year? Three year? Four? Yeah, so small
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market team, you're not gonna get. You're not gonna get
a free agent. You're not gonna get you know, a
vet coming in here, a superstar. You know, you've got
to get guys now to start develop up in them.
I don't know if you can wait on a guy
three years, four years. I think you got to get
somebody right away that's going to be able to help
you win. Okay, So your your son is I don't
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know if you only use a prodigy, but he's considered
one of the elite rising freshmen in the country. So
now you're recruiting process, which we talked about previously, far
different than his. What's what's it like to be? You know,
he's your kind of underdog story. He's not from from
your perspective, what's this like? There's a lot of the tension,
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you know, for him at a young age. I think
the biggest thing with me is just keeping a reel
with him, you know, and keeping him humbled, not letting
him get ahead of himself, understanding where he's at right
now and what the long term goal looks like. And
I mean, I think we live in the day. We
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live each day, We day in the moment each day.
You know, we're not We're not you know, looking what
he's gonna look like in three years or four years.
We're just you know, we work every day trying to
add stuff to his game, and and and and and
I honestly, man, I try to put him in scenarios
in situations where he struggles a little bit. You know,
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when he plays a U sometimes he gets away with
some stuff because he's more talented than some of the
kids he's playing against. But you know, the cool thing
for me to watch him this summer's point, he's playing
in our summer league with our varsity team, is putting
mind guys that are seniors are seventeen, eighteen years old
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and they're really good high school players and watching him
struggle a little bit. So I think it. I think
it keeps him grounded. I think it keeps him focused
on the things that he's got to do to get
better at. You know, obviously he's got to get stronger.
I mean, he's he's still a young kid. He's gonna
be a freshman in high school. But also it's it's
it's making him adapts his game to play against kids
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that are bigger and stronger and faster. So you know,
I mean we were we attack this thing every day.
The thing I love about him is he works his
tail off, man, he works his ass off. He's in
the gym every day working and it's not anything that
I have to do to chase him to get in there.
So he's uh, he's he's meant fun to h to
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coach and just watch grow. You know, even if I
wasn't his dad and I was just a high school coach,
he'd be a kid. I'd be extremely excited about. Fox
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to listen live. Yeah but okay, so but social media,
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like you know, it is you get do you you
keep an eye on it? Do you have access to it?
How do you handle? Man? It's kind of crazy. I
talked to Desmond today about the same thing, and because Mace,
Mace said something about him, and he was talking about,
you know, kids with social media platforms and the way
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it's going, and you know, if it's used right, it
can benefit them and everything else. Yeah, so, and he
told me all that stuff. But he's thinking from a
business standpoint side of it, you know, and I'm thinking
it from a dad's standpoint. You know. We do, me
and his mom, we do monitor and stuff, you know.
And they're kids, man, I mean, you know, it's it's
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one of those things where they get a highlight or
you know, they get something they want to post it.
But like I always tell him, I'm like, you know,
you know, people are gonna come watch your play, you know, highlights.
Everybody looks good in a highlight, but what do you
look like when you're playing? And another thing is is
you've got to understand, like you gotta target on your
back and you got people talking about you, so you're
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gonna be have to accept the time when you don't
play well and you get the negativity that comes with
the positivity. So it's kind of that double edged sword, man.
I mean, you know, they get caught up in social
media and likes and videos and write ups and all
that other stuff. But you got to keep them grounded, man,
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and you got to keep them keep them level headed.
You know. It's it's it's great. I mean, I mean,
I guess I guess being his high school coach, that
helps you, you know, you put some attack dog his
seniors on them. But but but how because it's like,
you know, I mean, obviously your kids different than my kids,
different than other people's kids. That's everybody says, you know,
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we want to keep them balance whatever. But and we
want to monitor social media, but you know, you can't
really control snap, you know. And then I don't know
how much you have access in i G And they
get they kind of fall in love with their followers.
I mean, you know, I mean kids, Like I'm trying
to think what used to be always back basketball is
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like the equity of the masses, right, Like, if you're
a good basket up player, you're cool. Now that's how
many followers you have on TikTok and how many followers
you have on ig you know, right, how many likes
everything else? Yeah, then you get Then here's another thing
that we deal with. You get you get people, you know,
kids get attention. Right. So then and this is the
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thing that drives me crazy about social media and dealing
with this stuff. And I've talked to Rayford Young a
little bit about going through this process. You get people,
you know, your kid gets attention a little bit, and
then people start picking them apart. These kids are fourteen,
fifteen years old right now, they start picking them apart. Oh,
he can't do this, he can't do that, he can't
do this. So people get shortsighted on the fact that
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these these they're still young and they're still kids, but
they're not looking at how talented they are and the
things that they can do. And some of it is
some of it is you know out there, you gotta
you gotta know who you're gonna pay attention to. I'd
say the other side to it is this you gotta
know you're gonna pay attention to, because that's the problem
with social media is you know, every idiot from here
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to mbuck two has access, and you know, maybe a
blue check or whatever is something you go with. But
you know, a lot of it is also people need
to change how they word it, especially like you said,
a fourteen fifty year old kid, he needs to get
stronger and he needs to get tougher, and he's to
learn to go right, which is different than he can't
because like you said, he's fourteen, he's fifteen, he's sixteen
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years old. But then the other it's like how do
you and you can't really control it, but it's like
you want to. You want to give them a piece
of taste of the real world and how tough it
can be, but you don't want it to be the
level of viciousness. That's I think that's just a hard part. Right,
once you expose them to social media, how do you
dealt back? You know, you're already trying to model value back.
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I think it's I think it's like the relationship that
we have as father's son, you know. I mean it's
that I'm his dad, you know, and I'm gonna, well,
thank you. I think I think we've established that. Yeah,
But what I'm saying is I'm going to protect him,
but also I'm gonna let him fail a little bit.
I'm gonna let him go through the heart aches. I'm
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gonna let him go through the times when things don't
go his way. But also it's like keeping it real
with him and saying this, this is where you want
to go. These are the things that you're going to
go to if you want to achieve the ultimate goal
that you're trying to achieve. Wherever it is you want
to play at Oklahoma State. Well, this is the heart
ache that you're going to go through to earn a
scholarship to go play at Oklahoma State, you know. So
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it's the peaks and valleys. I mean, we're raising the kids,
you know, we're raising our kids, but we're trying to
keep it real with them also, you know, I mean,
everybody wants to be patted on the back and tell
you how great you are. But at the same time,
no one wants to hear the criticism that comes with
it or when you're told, hey, you're not good enough
in this area. This is what you gotta do to
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work to get it. This is how you do it. Now,
you got to go put in the work and do it,
you know. So I think it's the balance of of
just keeping it real with him, man, and and and
and like I said before, it's like living in the moment.
We don't talk about, you know, his senior year and
things like that. We're just trying to add stuff to
his game now to help develop him as as a
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player and and see where it goes. When when you
were a kid, so it was always mosque in Michigan, yep.
So when you when you're a kid, where's your place. Well,
I don't know if you did this. Like I used
to go down the street about one, two, three, four
or five houses down on the left because Garrett Phipps's
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house and Garrett Phips's house. One was cool because his
dad had those Takade beer posters up on this ceiling.
So it's like my first time to see it. Some tits,
I mean, that's really what I was pretty impressed. And
then so and sometimes my brother would like lock me
out of the garage. They'd ride bikes whatever. But he
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had a flat driveway. We didn't have a flat driveway
and a basketball hoop and no one else ever used it.
So I go down there and that's where I That's
where I like him, worked on my game. That was
what I played, imaginary games. Did you have a place
like that, Absolutely, it was. It was in my remember
in my drive we had a dirt driveway. I was
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probably yeah, yeah man, yeah man. This was in Mosqugan Heights, Michigan.
So Moskegan Heights, inner city, you know, rough area. We
had a dirt driveway. Yeah, man, we had a dirt driveway.
This is before I moved out to the suburbs. So
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we had a dirt driveway and uh, the Heights was
always known for Heights. I mean they were good basketball.
Uh good high school basketball team. So I remember growing
up there and we had we put a closed hanger
on the garage and we would shoot a tennis ball.
We had a tennis ball, so we would play. And
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I mean I'm talking like it. I mean it was
a tight area. The driveway was really small. It was
like ten ft ten feet wide by maybe fifteen feet
in depth. And we would play three on three out
there and just shooting hoop and everything else. I mean,
that's that's where it started. Man. And then as I
got older, there was a park it was called Parslow
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Park where where you'd go out man, and I'd walk
to the park, dribble my basketball, get out there, and
then in the summertime, growing man would come out and
start playing about three four o'clock and they would play
all night. Man, they would sit there till ten eleven
o'clock at night and play. So that was my first,
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you know, when I fell in love with with hoop
and was going to the park and and just just
playing with these grown men man. I mean, and you
know the chain, the chain that. You know, it wasn't nets.
It was chain linked nets. That's a net. It's a net.
It's just not a cloth net. Yeah. But you know
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in the double rims, the double rims, double rims, the
worst who invented double rims? Oh? Yeah, so so but
it was just hooping man with grown men. Man. I mean,
it's it's kind of like where you where you you
learn how to play man? Oh, you learned about a
bench of things. So so mine was we used to well,
there's two places. One there's racquetball World. My daddy's played raquetball.
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I go up there. He'd get me in a game.
And all you had to do that racketball World was
you had to be like I don't want to say,
you had to be thirteen. And I started going, I
was twelve. Whatever. You put your name on the board,
they'd call it up, and so we got like are
you thirteen? Like, yeah, I'm thirteen. But that was super
late bloomed anyway, and it was four on four sideways
and you know you're planning just old men that just
can barely move. They was trying to get exercise. But
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that was good, I mean, because they were you know,
you had to deal with their size whatever. Then he
had to make shots or make plays in order to
kind of feel like you're earn people's respect that you
weren't just out there. And then we go to Miles
Square Park on Saturday morning at seven am. So he
would get me up at like six thirty. And I
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don't remember like I remember him getting me up. Just
I would go and get in the car and we'd
go to the park and he would basically call game
for me and then help me pick up a team,
and then you know, stayed us playing and I usually
if he won the first game, then he would just
take off and if I lost the next. If I lost,
then he would help me call game and then maybe
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he'd stay around for like fifteen more minutes. And then
he was at I'll see you later, and he give
me five bucks, and I just when I was hungry,
I would go across the street. I get you know,
he speedsa in some a gatorade and then or a
coke or something, and then I'd come back and I play,
and then eventually he'd show up. That was it. That
was my I loved every second of it. It was
how cool was it? Thole? Like back back when we
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were coming up, Like you would literally go to the
park and hoop all day long. Yes, like all day long.
I remember going. I remember when I played in junior
college out at Fullerton, Man, we would go to Newport
Beach or go to Venice. We would do it. Yeah,
we would go down there and sit there right and
you may wait an hour to get on the court,
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and if you lost, you might wait two hours to
get back on the court. That's just how many people
were down there hooping. Man. So it was like I
remember being at Venice one day and we won like
three or four games in a row, Man, and it
was it's just it's just a different vibe. But you
spent all day at the park just hooping. Yeah, I
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mean I fitness for that, because you know, they have
gyms in like all their other spots now. So yeah,
but you drive it's like it's like here in Oklahoma, Man,
when it's not three hundred degrees outside, you drive by
a park, Man, there's no one out there hooping. You know,
a long time ago, there would be there would be
you know, you go buy a part, man, there's there's
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a ton of dudes out there playing, you know, I
just but no way. He talks about the pickup of
toul soklong like, man, you wouldn't get to pick up
in here's the deal. But but but think about it,
think about it, Doug, when we were in high school,
how many how many pros? No? I know, I know
what you're talking about. They don't play out no way
plays outside anymore. It is so, but do do people
still play pick up the way they used to play
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pick up? Or is now? Is it everybody going to trainers,
well careers. Guys that have careers mostly do trainers. Guys
that are post careers, they did pick up. But I'm
just saying high school guys high school guys because they
play in tournaments where they just play a bunch of games.
I mean, that's what I did with my son to
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in order to play playing more is play them on
two different teams, you know, one high level one low level.
I mean in one like thirteen one twelve, and then
it's like playing pick up. You know, he played four
games in a day, you know, play feel like he
played four games? Like didn't you want to play pick
up as a kid? Yeah? We played all day, man,
you played all day all day like dog, Yeah all day.
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Let me ask you this, yes, coach and your son. Yes,
are you hard on him? I was really hard on
him for a long time and that did not go well,
and that probably that's probably the hardest part in you know,
he's got a little PTSD from it. But uh, I
have a ton of fun with him too, and he's
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like a fun kid, a fun kid. So but yeah,
I was really hard on him. Now not as much
because now, you know, I want it's easier to talk
to him. He's older and he understands more. And you know,
we'll still get an argument every now and again and
I usually win them. But you know, he started becoming
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kind of a better listener. But yeah, there's there's some
I've been hard on him in the past. I'm a
lot a lot better to him now. So let me
ask you. You leave the court, or you leave the court,
you get into him a little bit during the game,
You leave the court, get you get in the car.
Is it continue in the car ride home or is
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it done? Usually what I do is like, hey, let's
just leave it at one thing, you know, and then
say that one thing and then move on. And usually
he doesn't want to hear the one thing, and then
I was like, dude, listen to me your phone and
if I have his phone and have his at tension,
and then it was just like one thing. Then I
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tell him and then he's good, and then we're good.
It's usually we leave it, you know. And then and
then usually when we roll backs like hey, don't tell
your mom we got like that. No, listen, I got
you at doctor Pepper. Just don't tell her anything, you know.
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So this is the funny thing dealing with this, right,
coaching your kid. Like last night I got in I
told Jalen to do something, and he was like, why
would I do that when I was open? So I
got an him a little bit because I told you
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I feel rule, because I told your right. I told
him a rule in my life because I told you
so right, So so I I got an him a
little bit. So then after the game, his mom is
looking at me sideways like I can't believe you yelled
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at him like that, you know. But I'm like, wait
a minute, you call me complaining about him when he
doesn't clean his run up room up or he talks
back to you or does all this other stuff. But
like I just yelled at him for not doing what
I wanted to do playing. It's because it's in public.
I think that's what it is. I think it's in
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it's in public, and then somehow they feel a part
of it, you know, attack on them whatever, and it's
you know, it's their baby. They're still maternal. I mean,
I was like, I can't wait. I can't wait till
you call me and tell me his room is not
clean and you told him to do something and he
didn't do it. I can't because I'm gonna do the
same thing. I'm gonna I'm gonna roll my eyes at you,
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all right, last thing? Uh who wins morning or tonight? Sorry?
This still dropped him on. So who insight Celtics get
it done at home? Force to get why? Because you
want to see a game seven? That's real? That for sure,
that's I mean, I'm I want to see a game seven.
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I just think I think it's gonna be really hard.
I think there's a lot of toughness and a lot
of pride with the Celtics, obviously. I just think them playing.
I don't think Wiggins is gonna have the game he
had in Game five. Somebody's gonna have to step up
and beat them. Besides Steph, you got Clay. Look, I'll
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tell you this, I think the Warriors win. I mean,
I just the construct of the Celtics is'll throw five
great defenders out there, you know, and they're okay offensively,
you know, two guys is obviously better than the rest.
I think Kadom's pretty pretty damn good. They're just kind
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of a mess and you can't give them extra possessions.
They've kind of figured you out a little bit, you know.
I'm in talking with the Warriors, kind of figured you
out a little bit. And you know, I think like
Gary Peyton's getting more comfortable, Clay is getting more comfortable,
and like, yeah, Wiggins, everybody's like Wiggins did play great,
but he still hasn't made a shot. He's gonna he's
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gonna make a shot. And you know, you're just you're
still you're getting a little bit more from Clay every game.
I don't know. I mean, look, if I'm Boston, I
played the exact same way defensively, that shit worked. Take
that dude out of the game, you know, and just
being in his head, just face guard him the whole time,
don't give him. They'll let him get the ball. Fine,
you know, it's I'm sure they're gonna get some easy
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shots and some floaters, you know when they when they
blit some on a trappick. I don't know, just take
him out of the game. That that gives you a
kind of competitive advantage to take that guy. It does.
It puts pressure on everybody else. But I do think
they have some other dudes, So I think Draymond gets
in the way though. Game game six, man, Yeah, it's possible.
It is Kurg gonna take him out again. I think
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he did a hell of a job game four by
by benching him. They were the Warriors were searching for
answers and Kerr bench and Draymond, you know, for that
five six minute stretch was huge, man, and then Steph
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being But I just I don't know. I think I
think there's gonna be a game seven, man, you know,
I really do, And I'm hoping for it. I'm hoping
that they'll you know, like I'm with you, I think
I think they guard step the same way they did
in game five and try to make someone else beat them,
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all right, and hoping we get a game seven. We
shall see, Hey, dude, thanks for doing this. We did
talk about your kids, clean his room and all other stuff,
and we'll do it again, all right, brother, appreciate you ONMI.
Thanks met everybody. So that's my conversation with my man.
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Brian Montinotty, of course, is head coach at Owassa High School.
He played a long time, play with me at ok State,
done previous stuff with him. But I just thought you'd
appreciate a little bit of you know, dad of a
prodigy and let me assume dad dad to a prodigy,
right add to a prodigy, and then of course a
little bit of coaching your kid and a lot of
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NBA talk, you know, getting ready for a historic game
six like you know. For me, I mean I do,
I like, I obviously respect how the Celtics played defensively,
how tough they are, and how they took kind of
the next step this year. And no, I'm not going
to the well with Chris Middleton would have played thing
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all right now, just talking about the Celtics. So it's
not out of like a lot like I like what
they've done. They've built a team that's sustainable, it's gonna
be good for a long long time. You know they'll
they'll switch out some pieces, but that's a group that
that's going to stay together and be really good for
a long time. But the Warriors are They're unique there,
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They're a meteor. These things don't come along very often.
And how they play without the basketball, the joy with
which they play, that the talk of playing for each other,
cheering for each other to succeed, like what in the NBA,
like really like that's exactly what they do. And I
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just I want to see him win in Boston. Guard.
That's really what it is. I think that's that's a
baller deal. When you win on the road, win a championship,
you take champagne their locker room. Hell yeah right, that's
Those are the best. Those are the best. Yeah, road
wins are the best. I remember you can listen to
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Hey, what I welcome in. I'm godly this is all
Ball and Bryan Mott and I is my guest. We've
been friends since nineteen nineties seven, when we both transferred
into Oaklahoma State. You've heard us before talking about Eddy
Sutton stories. So in getting you ready for Game six
and talking a little NBA draft and giving you some
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insight into what it's like to be the dad of
one of the top rated fifteen year olds in the country,
rising freshmen in the country, I thought we'd ask him
about it. So take listen to our conversation. Okay, what
do you think of this series before it started? All right,
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Celtics and the Warriors? Before it started, what do you think? Man,
I thought it was gonna be. I thought i'd be
a little back and forth. And the reason being is
I think Marcus Smart does a heck of a job
Garden Steph. And I just thought with the way the
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Celtics played defense and their size, I thought they would
eliminate Draymond Green. And I thought it was going to
be a really good matchup for the Celtics defensively. So
I figured that the Warriors would struggle a little bit,
and I figured it would go seven games. So it's
been a little back and forth the last few games,
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but the Warriors have been playing extremely well. You know,
Steph in Game four had a phenomenal, phenomenal game, and
then Game five with Wiggins, you know, doing what he did,
I think kind of put the Warriors over the top
a little bit. You know. It's interesting. Wig was really good,
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but a lot of it was that was the first
time I can remember a team kind of selling out
to stop stop staff Seth. I mean I think about that,
like they were full face face guarding all the way
to mid court. You know, they're blitzing him on picking rolls,
and I mean it worked now, you know. Wig became
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the safety blanket, and I thought they did a great
job getting isolated on the centers. But I'm just surprised
more people haven't done it, or somebody hasn't done it,
Like there's no kind of commitment to like cut off
the head of the snake. He does everything. I totally agree, man,
but I figured they had to do something different after
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Game four, you know, and he's been playing phenomenal this series, man.
I mean he's been he's been by far head and
shoulders better than what I thought, or what I anticipated
anticipated him be and just because of the matchup with Marcus.
You know, Marcus has done a really good job with him,
but game four you couldn't guard him the same way
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you were gonna guard him in game Yeah. I mean
in game five, you're not gonna guard him the same
way he did in game four. You're not gonna do it.
You want to get fired the correct and so so
for him. That's why I kind of anticipated one of
the you know, and Clay, the guys have been solid,
but they just haven't had a breakout game, you know.
I mean Clay Clay is is you know, he's been
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what eighteen twenty, He just hasn't had that breakout game.
Wiggins hasn't had that breakout game. But the way they
were guarding and spending so much energy and attention on
on seth, you know, it freed up Wiggins to be
able to do what he was gonna do. And I
think too, you hit on a point two with the
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pick and roll situation. You know, I think they're you know,
I think Kura is doing a really good job, you know,
putting Williams in pick and roll, putting Horford and pick
and roll and just the matchup deal that he had.
Game four, you know, step Steph was getting open looks, man,
and you know Clay hit a couple of shots. But
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Wiggins playing at home, you know one of those guys
were gonna play play big time at home and have
a breakout game. But I here's the crazy thing. If
you told me Steph was gonna be over nine from three,
I would be like, man, it would be hard for
the Warriors to play or the Warriors to win, just
based off of the way the series has gone so
far and how much step has carried the Warriors. Yeah, okay,
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So I mean this one's a hard one because on
one level, I'd like to see a Game seven. I
always like to see if you really find out who's
hit and what's what in the game seven, right, dude,
just get tight. So I'd love to see what happened
game seven. On the other hand, the idea of the
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Golden State Warriors winning a championship on the parquet of
the Boston Guarden, that one appeals to me. Us which
which ending would you prefer to see? I want to
see game I'm I'm you know, I'm a basketball fan.
I want to see Game seven, man, I want to
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see Game seven, two minutes tie ball game. I want
to see these guys. I want to see these guys
play it out. You know, I think I think you know,
you're right with Golden State winning, you know, in Boston.
I think it would be huge. But Game seven, Man,
anything can happen in Game seven. Somebody turn an ankle,
foul trouble, guys have a bad shooting night. I mean,
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you know, it becomes a one game series then, you know,
I mean it's there's a lot of a lot of
drama can play out in the game seven. And the
biggest thing is just the thing is you know, being
you know, we we love ball, right We've done it
our whole life, and and and just watching it, watching
these guys compete, and how hard they're playing right now,
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and how skilled these guys are and how good they are.
I mean, who wouldn't want to have a Game seven?
You know, I think it. I think it's it would
do big for the NBA, And I think there would
be a lot of drama involved. Yeah, the game seven
Father's Day. He got the idea of the Warriors trying
to win at home. I'm not I don't know, it's
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not that I don't like Tatum. I liked Tatum, but
I've never been just in love. It's weird because I mean,
I think he had four air balls, but he actually
shot like ten of twenty from the floor, which I
know a lot of it was when it didn't matter,
but but still, I mean, he wasn't Statistically, he wasn't terrible.
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Why does it feel like he's been worse than he
actually has been because I think he's been overshadowed by
Steph and what STEP's doing. Like you said, he's he's
playing not terrible, but he hasn't had that elite NBA final,
setting his legacy as as one of the best guys
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in the league right now. And I'm with you too, because,
like I watched him at the end, it just seemed
like he got uncomfortable, especially in Game four, man, when
when Steph was going off and they just didn't have
an answer for for the Warriors. They did, they just
didn't make shots at the end, and and watching them
turn the ball over in game in Game five the
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way the way they did. I'm with you, man, I
think he's very talented, he's a hell of a player,
but I just don't know if if it's his time
yet to be the guy that that gets him over
the top, and and and can win two games back
to back, win a game six in a game seven
on the road. It's weird because we have it. I
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think part of it is we have an image that
all the guys who came in the league won immediately.
And bird Magic obviously won immediately. But Jordan it took
a long time right him to figure out Kobe it wasn't.
It definitely wasn't overnight. So they got Phil I mean,
you know, Duncan and walked into it, walked into a
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kind of a made deal. But the idea that that
these guys are are totally refined. I just it's weird.
It's like you get in your mind. Okay, Jason tam
fid to a point, But they did get further this
year than they've ever gotten last year. So it's hard
to tell whether he'll be able to overcome these things
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in the future or whether this is who he is
because he's at his athletic peak, you know, right right?
Is this speak like you said, is that is it a?
Is he at his all time high right now? Like
my thing is is like you get there and you
kind of learned, you go through the They're playing the Warriors, right, right,
The Warriors have been there, you know, staff Clay Draymond,
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They've been in this situation. They've played in a Game seven.
You know, it's still there. They're still at a really
high level. My thing is is is do the Celtics
if they end up losing this series, right, do they
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grow from this and make a run at the title
next year or is it like one of those things
where they got here one year and they kind of
fall off. So I'm an agreeance with you. I don't know,
there's a lot of questions with Tatum is a guy
that's got to He's got to play phenomenal tomorrow night
for them to have a chance to go back to
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Golden State on Father's Day. I mean, he's got to
have a Steph curry S type Game four performance for
them to even have a chance to play Golden State
on Game seven. You know, it's weird as none of
these games have ended up close scores. It's weird they
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just been the whole playoffs. Man, How is that? How
how is that? That's the weirdest kind of phenomenon. Ever,
that's a weird thing. But it's literally that's a thing.
The Celtics have been through a bunch of those, like
one of the closest, the closest game was the Nets game,
Game one against the Nets. But otherwise, I mean, it's
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been blowout city. But isn't it weird? I mean, especially
considering that gave the other night, you know, where the
Celtics couldn't score in the first quarter, couldn't make a shot,
then they make the run of the third quarter, you know,
but for Golden State to come back, but then to
just kind of annihilate them and blow them out of
the water is kind of fascinating. It's fascinating. So so
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what's your what's your what's your theory on that? I'm
not sure I have one. I'm sure I have one
because I would say it's a Golden State thing, but
it's not because I've you know, we saw with the
Heat and the Celtics, We've seen with with other series.
I don't know, I don't know why games kind of
sporadic control. You know, the Celtics obviously late in that
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Heat series kind of failed to close. I guess, so
that kind of got close. I think probably it is
because a lot of teams just don't know how to
I don't know how to make the comeback. I don't know,
it's a it's a weird I guess in the regular
season everybody, everybody comes back, but there have not There's
hasn't been buzzer beaters, haven't been overtime games. You know,
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I'm watching game one of the Stanley Cup Finals and
they already got overtime. Like, man, that's kind of fun. Anyway,
that's okay, Let's let's go to NBA draft. Are you
a check guy? I mean, I like him, and the
reason I like him is he's he's very skilled. I
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don't think he's a difference maker. You know, the first
couple of years he's playing in the league, he's obviously
got a mature and get stronger and and you develop
his body. But I think, you know, as skilled as
he is, man, I mean, I think he's a matchup
nightmare at times. But what's he gonna look like in
five question? I guess the big thing is like, what
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is he gonna look like in five years? You know,
he adds twenty pounds of muscle and he's not getting
pushed around. He's a matchup nightmare. So to answer a question,
am I a Chet fan? I love his skill, He's
really young. I'm intrigued by to see what he turns
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into in the next three to five years. One of
what Oklahoma say, what Oklahoma City he'll do? Because I
feel like Jabari is gonna go on, So then it's
Shedder or Apollo Apologies, he's a grown man. He's a
grown man. I think. I think you go Apollo if
you're okay. See well, I mean here's the thing the Thunder.
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The Thunder really don't have I mean, they're rebuilding, right So,
I mean, if you if you draft a guy like Chet,
you're still he's not He's still he's still a couple
of years away from being who he's going to become. Yes,
if you develop, if you if you get Polo, he's
got an NBA ready body right now. And I think
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year two he's a stud, you know what I'm saying.
And I don't know how much longer you can just
I don't know home how much longer you can you
can stack draft picks and and continue to wait and rebuild.
I mean, they've been to this rebuild phase. What now,
this is what year? Three year? Four? Yeah, so small
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market team, you're not gonna get. You're not gonna get
a free agent. You're not gonna get you know, a
vet coming in here, a superstar. You know, you've got
to get guys now to start develop up in them.
I don't know if you can wait on a guy
three years, four years. I think you got to get
somebody right away that's going to be able to help
you win. Okay, So your your son is I don't
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know if you only use a prodigy, but he's considered
one of the elite rising freshmen in the country. So
now you're recruiting process, which we talked about previously, far
different than his. What's what's it like to be? You know,
he's your kind of underdog story. He's not from from
your perspective, what's this like? There's a lot of the tension,
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you know, for him at a young age. I think
the biggest thing with me is just keeping a reel
with him, you know, and keeping him humbled, not letting
him get ahead of himself, understanding where he's at right
now and what the long term goal looks like. And
I mean, I think we live in the day. We
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live each day, We day in the moment each day.
You know, we're not We're not you know, looking what
he's gonna look like in three years or four years.
We're just you know, we work every day trying to
add stuff to his game, and and and and and
I honestly, man, I try to put him in scenarios
in situations where he struggles a little bit. You know,
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when he plays a U sometimes he gets away with
some stuff because he's more talented than some of the
kids he's playing against. But you know, the cool thing
for me to watch him this summer's point, he's playing
in our summer league with our varsity team, is putting
mind guys that are seniors are seventeen, eighteen years old
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and they're really good high school players and watching him
struggle a little bit. So I think it. I think
it keeps him grounded. I think it keeps him focused
on the things that he's got to do to get
better at. You know, obviously he's got to get stronger.
I mean, he's he's still a young kid. He's gonna
be a freshman in high school. But also it's it's
it's making him adapts his game to play against kids
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that are bigger and stronger and faster. So you know,
I mean we were we attack this thing every day.
The thing I love about him is he works his
tail off, man, he works his ass off. He's in
the gym every day working and it's not anything that
I have to do to chase him to get in there.
So he's uh, he's he's meant fun to h to
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coach and just watch grow. You know, even if I
wasn't his dad and I was just a high school coach,
he'd be a kid. I'd be extremely excited about. Fox
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to listen live. Yeah but okay, so but social media,
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like you know, it is you get do you you
keep an eye on it? Do you have access to it?
How do you handle? Man? It's kind of crazy. I
talked to Desmond today about the same thing, and because Mace,
Mace said something about him, and he was talking about,
you know, kids with social media platforms and the way
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it's going, and you know, if it's used right, it
can benefit them and everything else. Yeah, so, and he
told me all that stuff. But he's thinking from a
business standpoint side of it, you know, and I'm thinking
it from a dad's standpoint. You know. We do, me
and his mom, we do monitor and stuff, you know.
And they're kids, man, I mean, you know, it's it's
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one of those things where they get a highlight or
you know, they get something they want to post it.
But like I always tell him, I'm like, you know,
you know, people are gonna come watch your play, you know, highlights.
Everybody looks good in a highlight, but what do you
look like when you're playing? And another thing is is
you've got to understand, like you gotta target on your
back and you got people talking about you, so you're
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gonna be have to accept the time when you don't
play well and you get the negativity that comes with
the positivity. So it's kind of that double edged sword, man.
I mean, you know, they get caught up in social
media and likes and videos and write ups and all
that other stuff. But you got to keep them grounded, man,
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and you got to keep them keep them level headed.
You know. It's it's it's great. I mean, I mean,
I guess I guess being his high school coach, that
helps you, you know, you put some attack dog his
seniors on them. But but but how because it's like,
you know, I mean, obviously your kids different than my kids,
different than other people's kids. That's everybody says, you know,
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we want to keep them balance whatever. But and we
want to monitor social media, but you know, you can't
really control snap, you know. And then I don't know
how much you have access in i G And they
get they kind of fall in love with their followers.
I mean, you know, I mean kids, Like I'm trying
to think what used to be always back basketball is
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like the equity of the masses, right, Like, if you're
a good basket up player, you're cool. Now that's how
many followers you have on TikTok and how many followers
you have on ig you know, right, how many likes
everything else? Yeah, then you get Then here's another thing
that we deal with. You get you get people, you know,
kids get attention. Right. So then and this is the
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thing that drives me crazy about social media and dealing
with this stuff. And I've talked to Rayford Young a
little bit about going through this process. You get people,
you know, your kid gets attention a little bit, and
then people start picking them apart. These kids are fourteen,
fifteen years old right now, they start picking them apart. Oh,
he can't do this, he can't do that, he can't
do this. So people get shortsighted on the fact that
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these these they're still young and they're still kids, but
they're not looking at how talented they are and the
things that they can do. And some of it is
some of it is you know out there, you gotta
you gotta know who you're gonna pay attention to. I'd
say the other side to it is this you gotta
know you're gonna pay attention to, because that's the problem
with social media is you know, every idiot from here
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to mbuck two has access, and you know, maybe a
blue check or whatever is something you go with. But
you know, a lot of it is also people need
to change how they word it, especially like you said,
a fourteen fifty year old kid, he needs to get
stronger and he needs to get tougher, and he's to
learn to go right, which is different than he can't
because like you said, he's fourteen, he's fifteen, he's sixteen
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years old. But then the other it's like how do
you and you can't really control it, but it's like
you want to. You want to give them a piece
of taste of the real world and how tough it
can be, but you don't want it to be the
level of viciousness. That's I think that's just a hard part. Right,
once you expose them to social media, how do you
dealt back? You know, you're already trying to model value back.
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I think it's I think it's like the relationship that
we have as father's son, you know. I mean it's
that I'm his dad, you know, and I'm gonna, well,
thank you. I think I think we've established that. Yeah,
But what I'm saying is I'm going to protect him,
but also I'm gonna let him fail a little bit.
I'm gonna let him go through the heart aches. I'm
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gonna let him go through the times when things don't
go his way. But also it's like keeping it real
with him and saying this, this is where you want
to go. These are the things that you're going to
go to if you want to achieve the ultimate goal
that you're trying to achieve. Wherever it is you want
to play at Oklahoma State. Well, this is the heart
ache that you're going to go through to earn a
scholarship to go play at Oklahoma State, you know. So
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it's the peaks and valleys. I mean, we're raising the kids,
you know, we're raising our kids, but we're trying to
keep it real with them also, you know, I mean,
everybody wants to be patted on the back and tell
you how great you are. But at the same time,
no one wants to hear the criticism that comes with
it or when you're told, hey, you're not good enough
in this area. This is what you gotta do to
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work to get it. This is how you do it. Now,
you got to go put in the work and do it,
you know. So I think it's the balance of of
just keeping it real with him, man, and and and
and like I said before, it's like living in the moment.
We don't talk about, you know, his senior year and
things like that. We're just trying to add stuff to
his game now to help develop him as as a
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player and and see where it goes. When when you
were a kid, so it was always mosque in Michigan, yep.
So when you when you're a kid, where's your place. Well,
I don't know if you did this. Like I used
to go down the street about one, two, three, four
or five houses down on the left because Garrett Phipps's
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house and Garrett Phips's house. One was cool because his
dad had those Takade beer posters up on this ceiling.
So it's like my first time to see it. Some tits,
I mean, that's really what I was pretty impressed. And
then so and sometimes my brother would like lock me
out of the garage. They'd ride bikes whatever. But he
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had a flat driveway. We didn't have a flat driveway
and a basketball hoop and no one else ever used it.
So I go down there and that's where I That's
where I like him, worked on my game. That was
what I played, imaginary games. Did you have a place
like that, Absolutely, it was. It was in my remember
in my drive we had a dirt driveway. I was
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probably yeah, yeah man, yeah man. This was in Mosqugan Heights, Michigan.
So Moskegan Heights, inner city, you know, rough area. We
had a dirt driveway. Yeah, man, we had a dirt driveway.
This is before I moved out to the suburbs. So
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we had a dirt driveway and uh, the Heights was
always known for Heights. I mean they were good basketball.
Uh good high school basketball team. So I remember growing
up there and we had we put a closed hanger
on the garage and we would shoot a tennis ball.
We had a tennis ball, so we would play. And
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I mean I'm talking like it. I mean it was
a tight area. The driveway was really small. It was
like ten ft ten feet wide by maybe fifteen feet
in depth. And we would play three on three out
there and just shooting hoop and everything else. I mean,
that's that's where it started. Man. And then as I
got older, there was a park it was called Parslow
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Park where where you'd go out man, and I'd walk
to the park, dribble my basketball, get out there, and
then in the summertime, growing man would come out and
start playing about three four o'clock and they would play
all night. Man, they would sit there till ten eleven
o'clock at night and play. So that was my first,
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you know, when I fell in love with with hoop
and was going to the park and and just just
playing with these grown men man. I mean, and you
know the chain, the chain that. You know, it wasn't nets.
It was chain linked nets. That's a net. It's a net.
It's just not a cloth net. Yeah. But you know
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in the double rims, the double rims, double rims, the
worst who invented double rims? Oh? Yeah, so so but
it was just hooping man with grown men. Man. I mean,
it's it's kind of like where you where you you
learn how to play man? Oh, you learned about a
bench of things. So so mine was we used to well,
there's two places. One there's racquetball World. My daddy's played raquetball.
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I go up there. He'd get me in a game.
And all you had to do that racketball World was
you had to be like I don't want to say,
you had to be thirteen. And I started going, I
was twelve. Whatever. You put your name on the board,
they'd call it up, and so we got like are
you thirteen? Like, yeah, I'm thirteen. But that was super
late bloomed anyway, and it was four on four sideways
and you know you're planning just old men that just
can barely move. They was trying to get exercise. But
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that was good, I mean, because they were you know,
you had to deal with their size whatever. Then he
had to make shots or make plays in order to
kind of feel like you're earn people's respect that you
weren't just out there. And then we go to Miles
Square Park on Saturday morning at seven am. So he
would get me up at like six thirty. And I
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don't remember like I remember him getting me up. Just
I would go and get in the car and we'd
go to the park and he would basically call game
for me and then help me pick up a team,
and then you know, stayed us playing and I usually
if he won the first game, then he would just
take off and if I lost the next. If I lost,
then he would help me call game and then maybe
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he'd stay around for like fifteen more minutes. And then
he was at I'll see you later, and he give
me five bucks, and I just when I was hungry,
I would go across the street. I get you know,
he speedsa in some a gatorade and then or a
coke or something, and then I'd come back and I play,
and then eventually he'd show up. That was it. That
was my I loved every second of it. It was
how cool was it? Thole? Like back back when we
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were coming up, Like you would literally go to the
park and hoop all day long. Yes, like all day long.
I remember going. I remember when I played in junior
college out at Fullerton, Man, we would go to Newport
Beach or go to Venice. We would do it. Yeah,
we would go down there and sit there right and
you may wait an hour to get on the court,
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and if you lost, you might wait two hours to
get back on the court. That's just how many people
were down there hooping. Man. So it was like I
remember being at Venice one day and we won like
three or four games in a row, Man, and it
was it's just it's just a different vibe. But you
spent all day at the park just hooping. Yeah, I
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mean I fitness for that, because you know, they have
gyms in like all their other spots now. So yeah,
but you drive it's like it's like here in Oklahoma, Man,
when it's not three hundred degrees outside, you drive by
a park, Man, there's no one out there hooping. You know,
a long time ago, there would be there would be
you know, you go buy a part, man, there's there's
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a ton of dudes out there playing, you know, I
just but no way. He talks about the pickup of
toul soklong like, man, you wouldn't get to pick up
in here's the deal. But but but think about it,
think about it, Doug, when we were in high school,
how many how many pros? No? I know, I know
what you're talking about. They don't play out no way
plays outside anymore. It is so, but do do people
still play pick up the way they used to play
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pick up? Or is now? Is it everybody going to trainers,
well careers. Guys that have careers mostly do trainers. Guys
that are post careers, they did pick up. But I'm
just saying high school guys high school guys because they
play in tournaments where they just play a bunch of games.
I mean, that's what I did with my son to
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in order to play playing more is play them on
two different teams, you know, one high level one low level.
I mean in one like thirteen one twelve, and then
it's like playing pick up. You know, he played four
games in a day, you know, play feel like he
played four games? Like didn't you want to play pick
up as a kid? Yeah? We played all day, man,
you played all day all day like dog, Yeah all day.
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Let me ask you this, yes, coach and your son. Yes,
are you hard on him? I was really hard on
him for a long time and that did not go well,
and that probably that's probably the hardest part in you know,
he's got a little PTSD from it. But uh, I
have a ton of fun with him too, and he's
(29:36):
like a fun kid, a fun kid. So but yeah,
I was really hard on him. Now not as much
because now, you know, I want it's easier to talk
to him. He's older and he understands more. And you know,
we'll still get an argument every now and again and
I usually win them. But you know, he started becoming
(29:57):
kind of a better listener. But yeah, there's there's some
I've been hard on him in the past. I'm a
lot a lot better to him now. So let me
ask you. You leave the court, or you leave the court,
you get into him a little bit during the game,
You leave the court, get you get in the car.
Is it continue in the car ride home or is
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it done? Usually what I do is like, hey, let's
just leave it at one thing, you know, and then
say that one thing and then move on. And usually
he doesn't want to hear the one thing, and then
I was like, dude, listen to me your phone and
if I have his phone and have his at tension,
and then it was just like one thing. Then I
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tell him and then he's good, and then we're good.
It's usually we leave it, you know. And then and
then usually when we roll backs like hey, don't tell
your mom we got like that. No, listen, I got
you at doctor Pepper. Just don't tell her anything, you know.
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So this is the funny thing dealing with this, right,
coaching your kid. Like last night I got in I
told Jalen to do something, and he was like, why
would I do that when I was open? So I
got an him a little bit because I told you
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I feel rule, because I told your right. I told
him a rule in my life because I told you
so right, So so I I got an him a
little bit. So then after the game, his mom is
looking at me sideways like I can't believe you yelled
(31:42):
at him like that, you know. But I'm like, wait
a minute, you call me complaining about him when he
doesn't clean his run up room up or he talks
back to you or does all this other stuff. But
like I just yelled at him for not doing what
I wanted to do playing. It's because it's in public.
I think that's what it is. I think it's in
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it's in public, and then somehow they feel a part
of it, you know, attack on them whatever, and it's
you know, it's their baby. They're still maternal. I mean,
I was like, I can't wait. I can't wait till
you call me and tell me his room is not
clean and you told him to do something and he
didn't do it. I can't because I'm gonna do the
same thing. I'm gonna I'm gonna roll my eyes at you,
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all right, last thing? Uh who wins morning or tonight? Sorry?
This still dropped him on. So who insight Celtics get
it done at home? Force to get why? Because you
want to see a game seven? That's real? That for sure,
that's I mean, I'm I want to see a game seven.
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I just think I think it's gonna be really hard.
I think there's a lot of toughness and a lot
of pride with the Celtics, obviously. I just think them playing.
I don't think Wiggins is gonna have the game he
had in Game five. Somebody's gonna have to step up
and beat them. Besides Steph, you got Clay. Look, I'll
(33:12):
tell you this, I think the Warriors win. I mean,
I just the construct of the Celtics is'll throw five
great defenders out there, you know, and they're okay offensively,
you know, two guys is obviously better than the rest.
I think Kadom's pretty pretty damn good. They're just kind
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of a mess and you can't give them extra possessions.
They've kind of figured you out a little bit, you know.
I'm in talking with the Warriors, kind of figured you
out a little bit. And you know, I think like
Gary Peyton's getting more comfortable, Clay is getting more comfortable,
and like, yeah, Wiggins, everybody's like Wiggins did play great,
but he still hasn't made a shot. He's gonna he's
(33:54):
gonna make a shot. And you know, you're just you're
still you're getting a little bit more from Clay every game.
I don't know. I mean, look, if I'm Boston, I
played the exact same way defensively, that shit worked. Take
that dude out of the game, you know, and just
being in his head, just face guard him the whole time,
don't give him. They'll let him get the ball. Fine,
you know, it's I'm sure they're gonna get some easy
(34:15):
shots and some floaters, you know when they when they
blit some on a trappick. I don't know, just take
him out of the game. That that gives you a
kind of competitive advantage to take that guy. It does.
It puts pressure on everybody else. But I do think
they have some other dudes, So I think Draymond gets
in the way though. Game game six, man, Yeah, it's possible.
It is Kurg gonna take him out again. I think
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he did a hell of a job game four by
by benching him. They were the Warriors were searching for
answers and Kerr bench and Draymond, you know, for that
five six minute stretch was huge, man, and then Steph
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being But I just I don't know. I think I
think there's gonna be a game seven, man, you know,
I really do, And I'm hoping for it. I'm hoping
that they'll you know, like I'm with you, I think
I think they guard step the same way they did
in game five and try to make someone else beat them,
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all right, and hoping we get a game seven. We
shall see, Hey, dude, thanks for doing this. We did
talk about your kids, clean his room and all other stuff,
and we'll do it again, all right, brother, appreciate you ONMI.
Thanks met everybody. So that's my conversation with my man.
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Brian Montinotty, of course, is head coach at Owassa High School.
He played a long time, play with me at ok State,
done previous stuff with him. But I just thought you'd
appreciate a little bit of you know, dad of a
prodigy and let me assume dad dad to a prodigy,
right add to a prodigy, and then of course a
little bit of coaching your kid and a lot of
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NBA talk, you know, getting ready for a historic game
six like you know. For me, I mean I do,
I like, I obviously respect how the Celtics played defensively,
how tough they are, and how they took kind of
the next step this year. And no, I'm not going
to the well with Chris Middleton would have played thing
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all right now, just talking about the Celtics. So it's
not out of like a lot like I like what
they've done. They've built a team that's sustainable, it's gonna
be good for a long long time. You know they'll
they'll switch out some pieces, but that's a group that
that's going to stay together and be really good for
a long time. But the Warriors are They're unique there,
(36:49):
They're a meteor. These things don't come along very often.
And how they play without the basketball, the joy with
which they play, that the talk of playing for each other,
cheering for each other to succeed, like what in the NBA,
like really like that's exactly what they do. And I
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just I want to see him win in Boston. Guard.
That's really what it is. I think that's that's a
baller deal. When you win on the road, win a championship,
you take champagne their locker room. Hell yeah right, that's
Those are the best. Those are the best. Yeah, road
wins are the best. I remember you can listen to
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