Dallas Draft Recap; Cowboys Picks DT Neville Gallimore and QB Ben DiNucci, DB trainer Clay Mack on Trevon Diggs.

On today’s episode of the 'Boys and Girl Podcast, Jane and Bobby discuss the Cowboys’ draft class, which has garnered universal acclaim. Two of the picks in last week’s draft, Oklahoma defensive tackle Neville Gallimore and James Madison quarterback Ben DiNucci, stop by to discuss the lead up to the draft and what’s next for them. Plus, Jane and Bobby turn to defensive backs trainer Clay Mack for his take on Dallas’ 2nd round pick Trevon Diggs.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello, Boys and girls, Welcome in to the Boys and
Girl Podcast with Cowboys, NFL Network reporter Jane Slater and
NFL Network producer Bobby Belt, a Cowboys community with the
inside scoop on the Dallas Cowboys now coming straight to
you from the Lone Star State. Here's Jane and Bobby.

(00:27):
All Right, Well, what a draft and what a debut
for Mike McCarthy here in Dallas. You know, there were
so many concerns about what this draft would look like,
and even the Cowboys own admission that leading into this
draft that they had a glitch during their mock draft
during a trade which I loved Jerry sort of toying
with us on things. By all accounts, not only went

(00:49):
well for the Cowboys, but it was as if in
like it was a little bit of Murphy's law anything
that could go wrong? Did they finally got some good
karma in this one? Bobby were you was shocked as
I was to see the way this draft went for
them this year. I didn't think there was any way
at all Ceedee Lamb would fall to them at seventeen,

(01:09):
and I didn't think there was any way at all
that Trayvon Diggs would be there at fifty one. I
didn't think there was any way at all Neville Gallamour
would be there at eighty two, and I didn't think
there was any way at all that Bradley and I
would be all the way at the back end of
the fifth. So they got incredible value all across the
board throughout the draft. Just an unreal class. As you said,

(01:29):
a lot of times we're sitting there watching the board
and going, nah, he just came off, and this guy
came off, and rats, we really liked that guy, and
we thought that was the target. And you know, oh
when when we do get some sort of like miracle
of you know, wan Thorn Hill falls to you or
t J. Watt falls to you, then it's it's been
Tristan Hill, or it's been Taco Charlton, and it's it's

(01:49):
been a little bit disappointing for the fan base. I
think this is the first time in years that fans
were just right there with the team every bit, going yes, yes, yes,
and it's it's because they get at Seedee Lamb and
Trayvon Diggs and Neville Gallimore and all these guys at
such incredible value. Daniel Jeremiah from NFL Network had said
that his greatest value pick in the entire draft, meaning

(02:11):
a guy who went more spots away from where DJ
had him ranked than any other playing the draft, was
Bradley and I and he said the Cowboys got him
more than a hundred picks later than he had had
him ranked in his class. So, uh, value all over
the board, and a lot of exciting players, and we'll
get to talk to a couple of them today. I thought,

(02:32):
what was so interesting about the Ceedee Lamb pick was
I think I saw one mock draft that had Seedie
Lamb falling to the Cowboys at seventeen. And I joked
on NFL Now when I when I did the show
earlier today, I said, old takes exposed. I said, the
fans are gonna want the gaudie pick a Ceedee Land,

(02:53):
but it's gonna make more sense for them to go
and get a guy like Caleb and Chason. And there
was Caleban Chason, who we talked about, a defensive player.
We also talked about C. J. Henderson, who had already
went the cornerback and A. J. Terrell who was already
gone at that point. And then there was a possibility
of trading back picking up Caesar Ruise and then possibly
getting another pick, something that I thought was interesting the
Saints when it did, they went and got Caesar Ruise

(03:15):
by just holding it there pick at twenty four. But
the fact that Seedee Lamb fell to them, and by
their own admission, they did not do one mock draft
where Ceedee Land was there. In fact, they didn't speak
to Ceedee Land. Obviously they were familiar with them. He
played three times at a T and T stadium, so
they knew who the guy was. But just absolutely fascinating

(03:37):
that here was this guy that seemed like such a
luxury item, and that Jerry Jones is He never came
out and said it. When Calvin Watkins asked him where, yeah, Jerry,
where are you making these picks? The Internet identified that
they were, in fact on their yacht. The side by
side pictures were absolutely amazing. But such a decadent pick

(03:58):
on an extravagant yacht. And I've got to think that
Jerry Jones was doing cannonballs off that yacht when things
were done, just because of the versatility of Ceedee Lamb.
And now when you look at this offense, I just
want to put a little respect on my boy, Michael
Gallups name. All these analysts coming out and saying, well,
the Cowboys have got uh Mary Cooper and Terence Williams.

(04:20):
Terrence Williams has been gone, and he's been gone for
a long time. Som was out in the club. Terrence
Williams was cut by an XFL team three months ago,
So I mean usual, there have been several transactions since
Terence Williams was last on a football team. Respect on
Michael Gallup's name, a guy who got increasingly better as
the year went on. And I hated that the game

(04:43):
in Philly came down to Michael Gallup in the end
zone and he he was close, he had that ball.
But put some respect on this kid's name. But now
you're adding a guy like Seedee Lamb to the mix
when you've already got two guys who had over a
thousand receiving yards next year. I also think, what's going
to be interesting, Bobby, And you can speak a little
bit more to this because you watch a lot of
the tape his contributions and he can make on special teams. Yeah,

(05:06):
he's I mean he's going to be And that's actually
kind of the interesting thing. I think they got in
a couple other picks, not just Ceedee Lamb, who can
contribute on special teams potentially. UM. But I think Reggie
Robinson the corner they picked there, they talked about, you know,
his special team's ability. UM, I would guess Trayvon Diggs
is going to do some special teams work. Diggs is
a you know, a really hard worker and a guy

(05:26):
with a real zeal for knowledge and and wanting to
do everything he can to help the team win. So
I think that, you know, a low key thing that
a lot of people haven't been talking about is how
much of the Cowboys have improved their special teams unit,
which was a disaster last year. From missed kicks, too
awful kick coverage to telling somebody you know to code

(05:49):
fair catch and uh fair catch, No, don't do what
you want. Everything from communication to execution everywhere across the
board was awful with the special teams last year. I
honestly think it costs them a couple of games. And
they've done a lot, not just to improve their offense
and their defense with this draft and with free agency,
but they've also done a lot to help really strengthen
and solidify that special teams in it. Yeah, so let's

(06:12):
talk about all the areas that they covered, which is
amazing to me that they were able to do it
this way this year. They covered the cornerback position, they
covered the defensive line position, both in the draft and
also with some of their undrafted free agents. Rondale Carter
of course, a guy out of James Madison they went
and picked up. They gave him the type of money
that you typically see could a seventh rounder. That's how
much they were buying into him. Uh, which interestingly enough

(06:35):
to their center that they decided to trade back for
with the Eagles. A guy that went to Wisconsin, very
similar to Travis Frowick. A lot of smart guys, those
offensive lineman coming out of Wisconsin. So I I gotta
tell you, I was really really impressed the draft. And oh,
by the way, we've got him in our show today.
They went and got that late round quarterback that Mike
McCarthy in reference that he wanted, a guy that that

(06:57):
they want to have meaningful reps if they want to
develop for trade value, and a guy that slandered Tony
Romo a bit in tweets. Uh, Tony Romo has a
bit of a bee hive. Hey, hey, if we're if
we're to look and follow history, then slandering Tony Romo
a tweet on Draft Day means that he's about to
get paid thirty five million and four years. Uh. You

(07:17):
know you're all about trends and analysis here, Bobby, But
I think fans are gonna be really impressed with Ben.
I know I was when I walked away from our interview.
So we've got him coming up. And then also claim
at who's the defensive backs, uh special skills coach that
works with uh Trayvon Daggs and Reggie Robinson who can
also sort of tell us, you know what they expect

(07:40):
from this position, an area where Cowboys really haven't had
to shut down corner in Dallas in recent memory, although
I would argue I thought Jordan Lewis really began to
step up last year. I'd like to see where his
game takes him this year under this new defense. But
this is a jam pack show. We keep bringing them
to you guys because we're averaging a little over ninety
hours and downloads and listens, so thank you so much.

(08:02):
But let's get to know some of these new Cowboys players.
Shall we joining us now is new Cowboys quarterback Ben
Denucci from James Madison, the team's seventh round pick. You
can follow him on Twitter at B Underscore Denuci d
I n U C C I six. Then how you
doing good? Appreciate you guys for having me on. Absolutely

(08:23):
excited to have you here and uh talk about I
guess the lead up to the draft was Dallas a
team you knew was interested. Did you have a lot
of conversations with them? And then leading up all the
way to getting that phone call from the team, yeah, Uh,
to to explain it, it was probably the craziest three
days of my life. And Saturday kind of put the
exclamation point on that. But um, yeah, leading up, you know,

(08:46):
Dallas was one of the you know, four or five
teams that I had had constant um you know, communications
with leading up to it, and um dougnas Samayer, the
quarterback coach, was the one who kind of drove the
conversations that that led up to the weekend. And then
as we kind of got close to this thing, he
called me, um, you know Wednesday before the draft had started,
and then you called me Friday and said, you know, hey,
we'll be in touch Saturday, just as we kind of

(09:08):
get close to this thing. You know, we're keeping you
on our radar. Um. You know, we we'd love to
have you here in Dallas. We're gonna see how this
whole thing plays out. Obviously they had no idea how
everything was gonna go. And then um, at the beginning
of the sixth round. Uh he he had started, you know,
coming in contact and saying, hey, you know we're trying
to get you. Um we don't. We don't want another
team to get you. Um. So so just keep your

(09:28):
phone on you and we'll keep you, keep you update
as we get closer to this thing. I gotta tell you, Ben,
you've got a little exposed. I love Twitter, Bobby and
I try to give agents and heads up if we
see something on Twitter that maybe they need to clear
up ahead of the draft. Um, you couldn't have possibly
seen this, but a little Romo slander. I have to
warn you. Romo has like a beehive as it applies

(09:48):
to Dallas. How much love slash hate mail did you
get when people saw that that tweet? And do you
want to clarify that? Yeah, sure, I'd love to clarify it.
So it was. It was from two thousand fourteen, and
you know, knowing me, I think I was probably seventeen
years old at the time, and there's probably a national
televised game on and he had made a bad throw
or something, and that's just the first thing that pops

(10:10):
in my mind. But shoot, I've had plenty of those before.
I've thrown five interceptions in the game and before before.
So I'm sure that the Benda Nucci's horrible tweets were
stirtculating after that too. But no, Tony Romo is one
of those guys that UM very similar situation to me.
Came from FCS school, UM, you know, battled his way
in and had one of the um, you know, most
respected careers in in Dallas, and you know, being able

(10:31):
to um, you'll kind of come into a similar situation
as him and play with the same team as him,
as you can't ask for anything else. Well, are some
interesting parallels there, Bobby, if you think about it. Oh, yeah, no,
there are tons And it's funny. I was. I was
doing a podcast with Will Kine from ESPN on Monday,
and that was when when we started talking about Ben
and the pick for Ben. Uh. Will said that was

(10:53):
the first player that came to his mind when he
was watching them a little bit. It's like, man, there's
some some Romo stuff here with like the improvisation and
some of the little throws on the run, and I
gotta say, you know you're You're not alone because Dak
Prescott on Draft night also had a bunch of people
retweeting an old tweet where he had said the Cowboys
needed to get rid of Romo, and then he had
to actually sit in the same room as him, which

(11:13):
was probably a little much. But I mean, I think
everybody gets it. That's a that's a little in the past,
and you know, nobody wants to for the record, I
don't think, no, you already take that, already take that time.
I actually think I gotta I gotta defend him here
a little bit full disclosure. You know, I don't ask
people to air their dirty laundry without giving a little
bit of my own. I put a tweet out there

(11:35):
about Aaron Andrews a few years back, and then of
course we end up working on the sidelines and I
see her and she's actually lovely and I know how
hard she works. The energy is a little different once
you've done their job, and uh, yeah, it's so. I
feel for you, but it's a good things are one
of the tweets I would have taken back to it's
a good thing I was able to delete all my

(11:55):
tweets about Jane before we started working together that that
wouldn't have been good if she would have caught that.
Now I'm curious about this speginning of Dak Prescott. You know,
he's about to get paid as one of the highest
paid quarterbacks in the NFL. I'm sure you don't have
any illusions of what your job is when you're walking
in here, which is you're walking in here to to
be the backup quarterback and and uh potentially somebody that

(12:16):
they can groom to maybe be more down the line. Um,
what do you view as your responsibility walking in the
door as somebody who's competing for that number two spot
behind Dak Prescott. Yeah, I think the biggest thing for
me is, you know, from from day one, the minute
I step in there, I've I've got to be the
same guy that I've been the last seven years. And
whether that's you know, push Dax for the starting job

(12:37):
or or just compete to make the team. You know,
I'm gonna do whatever it takes. I've always been kind
of one of those team first guys, So not not
gonna try to overstep any any boundaries. And you know,
I know that, you know, Dak's starter, and he has
been for the last few years, and you know, obviously
deservingly he's he's about to get paid for, you know what,
what he's done in the field the last few years.
So the biggest thing for me is, you know, I'm
just gonna try to come in and learn as much
as I can from him. He was in a similar

(12:58):
situation to me as um being a fourth round draft
pick obviously not not in the seventh round, but the
very similar playing styles in similar situations, So being able
to kind of pick his brain a little bit and just, um,
you know, absorb as much information as possible as soon
as I walk in the door. I think that will, um,
you know, be beneficial for me. What I think is
intriguing to Ben is with the Mike McCarthy regime, we're

(13:20):
just as new as dealing with him as you're going
to be. But he talked ahead of the draft the
importance of having a backup that because in Dallas, they've
sort of struggled with having guys that are that they
have developed enough that they considered them valuable trade pieces, uh,
you know, moving down the line, meaning you're going to
get some meaningful reps. Do you feel like Dallas was

(13:40):
a sort of an ideal situation for you, given some
of the places you can go as a backup and
sort of get lost in the mix. Sure, I think,
no doubt. I think you know, coach McCarthy's track record
speaks for himself. You know, you look, what do you
do with Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay? And I think, um,
you know, Matt Flynn was a seventh round pick that um,
you know he had in Green Bay too, and he
had a he had a pretty good, um, you know, career.
I think what he was in League nine or ten years. So, um,

(14:02):
just the guys that he's worked with before, and you know,
after being drafted, you know, some of the other teams
coaches that had you know, been interested in me too
and said, you know, dude, congrats, you couldn't couldn't have
ended up in a better place with you know, coach
McCarthy and coach and As Meyer. So um, they just
said they were calling for me and you just to
stay in touch because you never know kind of how
this thing goes in the NFL. So, UM, extremely excited

(14:23):
to get to work with coach McCarthy and you know
all that he brings to the table in terms of
getting to go and work with Coach McCarthy and working
with the rest of the team. Um, do you have
an idea of what that's supposed to look like yet
with with some of these COVID restrictions still in place,
do you know, I guess what's the next step for
you in this process of trying to get to work
and get prepared for the season. You know, I don't. Um,

(14:45):
you know, my coach coaching Amy text me last night
and said, hey, you know, I'm gonna give you a
ring tomorrow and we've kind of been laying out a
rough schedule, but I think some of these virtual meetings
are supposed to start next week. So UM, they sent
me an iPad that has the playbook and some of
this stuff already preload it into it. So I think,
you know, right, I'm in the same position as these
guys are. No one really knows how to react and

(15:06):
adapt this thing. So I think their Their plan is,
you know, we're just gonna take the same week by
week and as soon as you know, we hear anything else,
you know, we'll relay that information as soon as we
can to you guys. What I think is interesting too
for you, Ben, is a lot of these guys on
offense are coming into a new situation. With the exception
you know, Dak wasn't in the virtual chats last week
by all accounts, even though that wasn't officially confirmed. Uh,

(15:28):
this offense literally has a week on you. They started
last Monday, and they're learning the terminology and this new
offense since there's been a change. So do you think
that helps you a little bit because I know Dak
could talked a little bit about you know, and and
this is just really applies to any player when they
come from college to the NFL. There's so much information. Uh,
it's really going to rely on you to be a

(15:48):
self starter. Are you one of those guys and are
you sort of embracing this challenge? Yeah. So the thing
that's actually pretty interesting about all this is, you know,
my five years in college, I've had five different offensive coordinators.
So every every spring I was getting used to the
plan of Hey, you know, I've got a new coach
and I've got another quarterback competition. So I've been a
part of five different playbooks and kind of had to

(16:10):
had to learn on my feet quick, you know, in
those five years. So I've been around a lot of
ball and um had a lot of different coaches. So
I think that's one of the things that I'll plan
an advantages as I get going here. But um, kind
of you know the fact that everyone comes in on
ground zero and you know it could be a new offense. Um,
you know, I think it just it helps me and
you know, I'll try to get back up to speed
as quick as I can. You know, you do. You

(16:31):
did mention that you came from you know, you didn't
come from a powerhouse program necessarily, But people would be
wrong to say that you've never played big time football.
You actually did start your career at Pittsburgh. You played
some power five ball there. Um, how much do you
think your entire college experience, not just what happened to
James Madison, but your entire college experience starting at Pittsburgh

(16:51):
and then going to James Madison helped prepare you and
get you ready. Yeah, I tell people all the time,
you know, if I had to do it over, I
do it the exact same way. And you know, JMU
was actually a set in school that offered me out
of high school. And I had considered, um, you know,
going there just straight out of high school. But one
thing led to another, and you know, Pitt came in
and offered before signing. It was one of those things
that it was twenty minutes from my house, it was
Power five football, and um, just the idea that my

(17:13):
parents in community could come see me whenever. I couldn't
pass that up. But um, you're getting the start six
games my redshirt sophomore year, and I think I played
in ten out of the twelve, So um that that
was invaluable experience for me. Is really the first time
that I had stepped on a college football field. And um,
just being able to carry that confidence over to my
junior and senior year as a jam you know, I think, um,

(17:34):
you know, really helped me a lot in my development
as a player. All Right, this is just one of
the questions I'm curious about. When Tony came down here,
he was really kind of ahead of entourage. He lived
in a in a in a in a crib with
a bunch of his friends from college. You are used
to being close to home. We saw the spread that
you had for your watch party. Are you bringing a

(17:55):
bunch of buddies down here so you feel a little
bit more settled and adjusted. I'm not gonna bring anybodies
with me, but one of the things is actually comforting
is um one of my players, a defensive end, Rondell
Carter from jam you signed, is an undrafted free agent
to Dallas as well, So having him down there with
me and make the transition a little bit more a
little easy. Um, and my girlfriend's actually from Austin, which

(18:16):
is only a few hours from Dallas, so I've been
down there a few times in the summer. And then, um,
you know, our National Championship game was in Frisco and
we actually stayed at the Omni and got to tour
the Star and do all that good stuff. So kind
of crazy how this thing kind of comes full circle
in a few months and it's literally a I went
to ut I gotta tell you, Ben, Austin is a
great place to go, get away, have fun on the lakes.

(18:37):
We have lakes around here too, but it is nice
to be able to be close at least to go
get a family meal, get a little bit of a break.
Lots of hippies in Austin though just ready. I'm just
looking forward to having some sun. It's like forty five
degrees and rainy every day up here in Pittsburgh, so
it's getting to see the sun every once in a while.
It's great right now, blue skies, eighty degrees. I mean

(18:57):
it's gonna get hot, but you know, it's great. It's
it's great right now. Well, Bend Nucci. He is the
Cowboys new quarterback, a guy that they thought highly enough
that they weren't gonna chance, you know, potentially risking having
to get into a bidding war and free agency. They
took him with their seventh round pick. You can follow
him on Twitter at b Underscore Danuci six Ben thanks

(19:19):
so much for joining us. Appreciate it, guys. Looking forward
to getting to you, Lobos I get down there. Joining
us now is Cowboys third round draft pick h and
Oklahoma defensive tackle former Oklahoma defensive tackles a das Cowboy
now Neville Gallamore. You can follow him on Twitter at
path to Great Work. And that's the number two, Nevill,
How you doing, I'm doing well? How are you doing?

(19:41):
Doing great? And uh, it's a little bit of an
interesting situation. You're going to the Cowboys because I know
that you were able to train right next door to
that facility for for several weeks. You're working out at
the Baylor, Scott and White Sports Performance Center at the
Star Um. You know, I guess did you ever imagine
that you'd be ending up just you know, half a

(20:02):
block down from there? Uh? I did imagine, you know.
I always it's funny, like it's really crazy. You know,
things work out because I remember just you know, even
back here four or five months ago, like you know,
people would ask her, I said, you know, if you
could live anywhere, where did you live? And I said,
you know, firstco not only did I say like Dallas

(20:25):
specifically honestly likes. I just love the environment you know,
where I was training. I was literally you know, at
the start, and you fast forward to you know, a
couple of days ago, Dallas Cowboys giving an opportunity. So
it was it was a great deal. It was a
great situation where I was sure it was more so unbelievable,
like who would have thought like, you know what I mean.

(20:47):
It is funny. Bobby and I were at that facility
and I remember hearing your name really for the first
time because we were interviewing Dez Bryant about his comeback.
Did you get a sense of how big the star
is by just seeing the interest even when Dez Bryant
was working out there and he's now two years two
years were moved from that team. Uh, definitely. It just

(21:10):
goes to show, you know, and just even just speaking
to a couple of guys, just you know, the native
all was being Dallas is the team you want to
play for your Dallas is a team that you you know,
just the whole organization. They do a great job and hunt,
how they take care of the players and just the
following out here, right, So I mean, you want to

(21:30):
be a part of that. And it's literally, like I said,
I'm just growing really really fond of this area is placing.
It's funny. I was even just going through the process like, man,
you know, I don't know who's gonna make me up,
not even I was kind of like, man, I'm not
really I don't really want to move and stuff like that.
I kind of got accustomed to this place already it's
only been four or five months. But the fact you

(21:50):
have to pack up and leave and then literally, you know,
when I got my name called, I was actually in Dallas,
you know, downtown Dallas, and I'm like, okay, Gray, like
I'm going home. It's just a thirty minute drive. So
I'm here. I'm pretty much here, like you know what
I mean. So I don't have to go anywhere. So
that was that was great. That was excited. So I
I I know that you know a lot of guys

(22:10):
walk into situations with the Cowboys and uh, it's a
little bit you know, Okay, this is far from home
and and this is uh, you know, this is gonna
be a whole new experience. It's kind of like, you know,
first day at a new school and and you don't
really know anybody. That's not quite the case for you.
You've got you know, you've already been trained in first
go like we talked about, Uh ceedee Lamb. The your
teammate from Oklahoma was the first round pick. I know

(22:33):
you've been training with Ladarius Hamilton's uh there and he
got signed by the Cowboys and of course I know
one guy who's really excited to have a fellow Canadian
now get it gets snatched up by the Cowboys is
defensive lineman Tyrone Crawford. So does it feel a little
bit to you, like, you know, hey, this is already
kind of a familiar spot for me, definitely, because, like
I said, even before I used to come up to

(22:56):
like you know that, to the DFW area a lot
just going up just through out, you know, since like college,
because my best friend Kenneth Man, he's from here. He's
from you know, for words. So I've kind of just
kind of got a custom, you know. I was kind
of you know, kind of really informed about the tradition.
And then I mean it's very you very quickly understand

(23:18):
when you come to Dallas and you know, majority of
people are Dallas fants. You know, they ride hard, you
know for you know, Dallas fats, and it's funny because
even funny stories. A few days before the draft, I
remember I was getting my car wash and the layers
working there she asked me, She's like, hey, I don't
mean to you know, to to be nosy, but are

(23:39):
you a Dallas Do you played with the Dallas Cowboys?
And I was like uh, you know at the time,
I was like, you know, no, I'm just kind of
going through this draft process. She's like, okay, and then
you know that's forward to that I'm a Dallas Cowboy.
You gotta go back and get her something sided. We
like you. You you tipped that, you you called it.

(23:59):
You spoken about energy. She brought. She did. She spoke
into an existence for your novel. But I feel like,
you know, a lot of people took because even my
my brothers, my brothers, sister, my brother's wife, my sister
in law. Uh, she's actually been the Dallas Cowboy fan
for her family for the longest, like even back when
I was as long as I've known her, and I

(24:20):
probably noticed I was a six seventh grade or whatever.
So so there's a lot of people that are actually
spoken into. But not definitely, I'll probably go see it
because I was looking at a car washer and I'll
tell her like, hey, I was lying, I'm actually I
am a Dallas Cowboy. All right. So speaking to like,
as you already know, the fan base people were so
excited about this draft this year. How many Twitter and

(24:42):
Instagram followers did you pick up the minute your name
got it out? Because look, I went to Texas, so
I'm you know, I'm having a hard time with like
the seedee Lamb pick up and and obviously the next
am I do notice that I am sort of wearing
this like the sort of the the sooner than right now,
you got it looks like you got on the cruisy.

(25:04):
I got a little bit of the Crimson. But there
is such a familiarity with you know, the Texas and
OU players just here in the state of Texas. How
many fans did you pick up when it was announced
you were gonna have that store on your helmet? I'm
not allowed to. It jumped pretty quickly, I think, you know,
before literally like before I got my name called. I
think that's probably twelve k, like a hard fought twelve k,

(25:27):
you know. And then uh and then literally, you know,
two days later, my stuff is at like thirty four thousand.
You know, it was. We're gonna keep going, just heads up,
It's just gonna keep on going. Yeah, yeah, no doubt.
You saw, like we said, you saw Dez Bryant working
out there. It used to be kind of a joke

(25:48):
on social media. There was a time. I don't know
if it's still the case, but there was a time
where Dez Bryant had more followers on Twitter than any
of the other three teams in the NFC East, So
he had more than the Redskins, the Eagles, and the
Giants did on their own. But we mentioned that you
did work out at the sports performance center at the Star.
I know one of the guys you got to work
with and and was helping you trying ahead the draft

(26:08):
was Pete Jenkins, who is the kind of legendary defensive
line coach. Um. Well, what do you think you learned
from him? Um? And and how well he helped you
prepare for this rookie season. I mean, I gotta give
you know, a whose shot of the coach Pete Jenkins,
because again he he really just you know, prepared me.

(26:28):
You know, obviously he tried to be overcoming a better
defensive linement, but just you know, mentally, you know, he's
a guy that he's been in the game, you know,
for so long. He has so much respect. So you know,
to the fact that I was even able to have
access he notes a guy like that on the daily
basis definitely helped me out and he made he made
the process, you know, I mean not say it was
fun altogether. But again he just underst help me understand,

(26:51):
you know, what to expect, kind of like the Massett mentality.
You have to have you going into it. So it
was good to have. You know, when you talk about
some of the guys gonna be play on the line
with I think of DeMarcus Lawrence, and I think of
a guy like Tyrone Crawford who had to marketus Lawrence
riding his bike with him to the facility every day.
Tyrone is a grinder and if he sees you talking

(27:11):
with the media too much, Tyrone's gonna grab you and
hold you accountable. That's just who he is. Is kind
of the elder statesman. One of my favorite guys on
that team. I've known him since he was a rookie.
But have you heard from any of those guys, and
then even the prospect of the possibility of a guy
like Randy Gregory and Alden Smith coming back? M h,
So you know I had to play like Tyron Conford.

(27:33):
He gave me a shout out on Twitter. It's kind
of you know, let me know. He's happy to be
a part of Happy Guys, a part of programmer. Jerald
McCoy was also you know, a former Sooner, you know,
the big bro. He gave me a shout out, which
was a love too. I mean again, I'm I feel
like this just kind of the social media kind of
comes with it, and you know, like I said, I'm
just kind of playing my role, but you know, I'm

(27:54):
actually I'm hoping that the you know, this pandemic kind
of calms down, because, like I said, I was really
looking forward to kind of just jumping into and get
him back to you know, football. So this stuff is
kind of I feel like literally, you know, you you
find your ways to get it and get you know,
get and train and get acclimated to stuff. But it's
like at the same time, it's like, you know, I

(28:16):
feel like social media is, if not now more than ever,
the primary resource for you know everything, And like I said,
I'm not really like a big old social media guy,
but I mean, hey, here we here we are, right Neville.
You were a guy that I know the Cowboys had
a really high grade on higher than than you went. Um.

(28:37):
They they viewed you as you know, a high second,
potentially late round first type of player. There was a
lot of buzz from like Tom Pellacero and Daniel Jeremiah
that you know, Neville Gallimore is a guy who could
sneak into the back end of the first round here
teams really like him. Uh. And then and then you
last all the way to eighty two, you know, middle
of the third round. Uh. Did you feel I guess

(28:57):
disrespected by that? Did you feel like people were We're
giving you enough credit for the type of career you
had an Oklahoma and the type of player that you are.
I mean, you know that's I mean, like I said,
everything happens for a reason, right, you know I could
I mean me, whether I would be, whether I would
have been you know, upset or sad. You know, it

(29:18):
wouldn't have changed anything, you know, But at the end
of the day, I'm just really more grateful the fact
that I got an opportunity. You know, you know a
lot of people, you know, I guess a lot of
people kind of look at this. You know, hey, you
know you should have got drafted, you know, a way earlier.
But at the same time, you know, still in a
a great position to still you know, do great things. Right,

(29:39):
So I mean again, I'm just looking for that opportunity
to grind and earn everything. You know, it was a hub,
wasn't experience. And I'm the kind of guy, like I said,
I don't really uh dwell on you know what people say,
it's more so actually, but again, I'm just grateful for
the fact that the ballas Cowboy shows me. It couldn't
have been a greater situation, to be honest. So I

(29:59):
mean I try, I try my best not to really
look at that. You know, that's that's in the past obviously,
but it happens. I'm here and I have an opportunity,
you know, to to earn that start on my helmet,
and such an interesting opportunity. As we were talking to
Ben about this, I mean, all of you guys are
sort of starting off on on the same level. In
other words, this is going to be a new defense

(30:20):
with Mike Nolan and his group. Granted you've got a
guy like Leon Lett that's back, but they're getting the playbooks,
they got their virtual o t A started last week.
Do you like having a little bit of that advantage
and sort of being able to start off sort of
ground zero with everybody else. And I'm also curious, how
are you keeping yourself engaged? And look, I'm doing my

(30:40):
online workouts. Man, I like to be in the gym
three four days a week. Uh, it is. It is
a little bit of a challenge. But do you find
that you're getting in in a sweet spot, a little
bit of a groove right now? I mean, like I said,
you really don't know, because, like I said, everything is
too pretty much closed down from a football perspective book.
Like I said, I'm just trying to the most of

(31:01):
my opportunity in terms of you know, training outside and
just doing what I can because I canna say, you
really don't know. Right Obviously as this we could team
to progress. You know, I've got it more and more
information and you know, they're still uh you know, the
organization still doing a great job in terms of still
trying to find ways for us to you know, get adjusted.

(31:22):
But obviously with this pandemic you know, going on and
it's still you know, obviously you know end in the process,
but we take a day by day. Well, Neville Gallimore
the newest one of the newest Dallas Cowboys, their third
round pick. I'll tell you what, Jane, I'm really looking
forward to the training camp battle knowing that uh, Texas
Longhorn Connor Williams is on the inside now and so

(31:43):
so Neville will be one on ones with Connor Williams.
Likely we'll get the Ou Texas juice there. But we're
all very excited to have Neville here. You can follow
him on Twitter, even though he's not much of a
Twitter guy. You can help contribute to that explosion at
Path to Great work with the number two Nevil. We
appreciate at you so much man, Thank you guys. I
appreciate you joining us now. Is defensive back skills trainer

(32:07):
Clay Mac. You can follow him on Instagram not Twitter,
because Jack Dorsey is a tyrant. You can follow him
on Instagram at Clay Max Skills. We're working on that
Twitter account though, right Clay, absolutely absolutely, I expect it
to be up here within the next week. So good.
You gotta quick give the fans and background. You can't
call Jack Dorsey a tyrant and not give you a

(32:27):
lot of people called Jack do a lot of people
called Jack Dorsey. Okay, So basically Clay had a very
large Twitter following that U you know a lot of
high school kids would depend on that as their way to,
you know, kind of get to Clay and say hey, Clay,
I'd love to train with you. I'd love to do
some stuff. And uh, it was a great resource tool.
And of course occasionally, uh Clay would share some videos

(32:48):
on there with with original music and uh apparently the
Twitter lords decided that it was pirated or something. I
don't know, but we're we're gonna work on We're gonna,
you know, start the hashtag screw Jack Dorsey or something.
I don't know. Well, well, we'll figure it out. He
gets a lot of pressure from a lot of people.

(33:08):
I think that that's uh, I think that'd be a
popular move if we dog piled on him a little
bit more. Jack Dorsey is a grinder. This guy walks
to work every day he goes and he's like meditation hut.
Like he's got to respect the grinder's play. So like,
I feel like he's gonna respect your hustle. He's gonna
he's gonna give you your Twitter account back. So and
the funny thing about is that, you know, like, you know,

(33:29):
I had somebody like kind of do a little research
for me and like send an email and kind of
prop some stuff, but not because I've never received the email.
You know, typically there's in your email. I got one
and then he looked at it, but I never I
never received the email. So as somebody the prompts, they
sent me one, and I apologize to him. I mean
because yeah, I'm not I'm not into like I'm not
trying to be like you knowing that like the tyrono

(33:51):
go against the grain. I'm not that you know I'm saying.
But I just hadn't received none of back. So um,
you know we're gonna have to report. Uh, you know,
go to Glanbina. How stag free Clay Mac. Now if
you're not familiar with Clay, which you should be. Uh.
Clay trained several defensive backs across the NFL, I think,
most notably the the the Cowboys crush Jamal Adams. He's

(34:14):
worked with jamalisin sixth grade. Uh, Jeff o'cuda, who just
went third overall. I believe actually saw you on ESPN
hugging Jeff after he was picked by the Lions. Uh,
and of course worked with Byron Jones really helped get
Byron uh cleaned up when he made the move to corner,
did a lot to help him. Somebody that Byron trusted
so much that actually had Clay come out to California.

(34:36):
I remember bumping into a training camp last year and
when I saw you walking across the field and it
was Byron was there? When did you work? And I
know you also worked with two of the Cowboys new
draft picks, Reggie Robinson from Tulsa and and Trayvon Digs
from Alabama. Before you jump to those, I guess, just
tell us how do you get into this? Because a
lot of people, I think wonder, like, you know, how
does somebody become a Clay Mac or a d rob

(34:59):
or you know anybody like that. How did you get
into this? You know? Um? I was actually um, I
was in Corthing America for a long, you know, for
a while, and and um, you know, I'm sitting at
my desk. I was a loan officer at Country wid
at home Loans and got a phone call from my
old high school coach, James Jones. I went to Kimbell
High School, so phone wrong. And he wanted me to

(35:20):
come out because I was a college American high school
loth America, So he wanted me to come out, and UM,
just kind of look at some of the defensive backs,
so I did. Um, and I thought I was gonna
be out that thirty forty five minutes, So end up
being out there for two two and a half hours,
and went back the next day, went back the next day.
And like for me, the thing that struck me was that,

(35:40):
you know, it was I was living in Carrolton, man,
you know kimbel Is and no clips it was I
would drive for me. So, um, I don't know what
it was as some kind of intuition or something or
I don't know what it was, but I became addicted
to it, you know what I'm saying. So, and and
the reason be it, I think because you know, sometimes
these high school kids, you know, they're not privy to
some of the things that the college guys are a
periva too, as relates to advanced schematics. Um, you know,

(36:04):
I'm saying, another chance to work on your skill set
and fundamental things that you need, you know, to prepare
yourself for the next level of survioble on the next level.
So when I was able to come back the stuff
that I've learned, I was eager at that particular point,
like you know, trying to teach the younger guys, know what
what I'm saying, So just kind of just kind of
materialized from there, then bumped into to Be Robbed, which
him and me and his family one of his family

(36:24):
members that played college ball together, and um, it pretty
much just started from there. So it was me be
rob and I got any margin hooks. Um, we started
all together at the same time, so that was our
look group. And then from there, I just just got
infectious and it just grew from there and so many guys,
as Bobby and Reference come to you, guys, I want
to put something to bed because, as you can imagine

(36:47):
my Twitter mentions, I know Bobby's, they get so excited
about this notion of Jamal Adams coming to Dallas. Now,
the Cowboys in good faith tried to go get him
last year. It didn't work out. Does this feel like
an Earl Thomas situation for you? For the Cowboy fans?
In other words, even if the Cowboys had traded for him,
they're gonna still have to pay this guy, Uh taught

(37:08):
market value? Was it ever a real possibility? Um? Well,
you know, and and funny you say that that was
that was my logic behind it. You know. Okay, even
if they got him, they don't have to pin you know,
I'm saying, so you know, is it worked it? I
mean from a bit dis perspective, you know, is it
worth it? Just get them just calls? You know, and
they're just having for you know, for a small stand
keep your fan BASEI you know, rapped up in the

(37:29):
whole nine and then you have to ship them all
for you know, you can't come to an agreement, you
know what I'm saying from you know, contractor wise. But
but naturally, you know, Dallas is a market that he loves.
I mean, he actually absolutely loves uh, you know, Dallas
and um, you know, and you know, naturally I have
a very intimate relationship with him and his family and
um and UM. Not to do kind of belab with

(37:52):
the point per se, but it was a lot of
excitement around that. I just I put it. There's a
lot of excitement around that, you know, said contained excitement,
becalled you know, naturally you want to respect his current
organization whatnot. But if it would have happened, oh my god,
and the fans would have loved it. And Clay just
a personal story, you know, I, as Bobby likes to

(38:14):
point out my bourgeois e shows. I'm a big fan
of Nick and Sam's. It's where I did my Dez
Bryant sit down when he got cut. Very bougie, and
it was during the Connor McGregor fight. Recently, I had
asked to get a table in one of my sections
and I was told Jamal Adams had the table, and
they said, you know, if you don't mind like coming
early and leaving, Jamal is bringing some friends and he's

(38:36):
gonna come sit down. So we stayed for the fight
and I said, Jamal, I'm happy to get my tamble.
He's like, no, you good girl like and he sat
at like this other table with his friends. I was like,
what a great dude. But it just sort of spoke
to you know, some guys will come in, they'll bump
you from their table, like just a down to earth
cool dude. I would have loved jose him in Dallas.
I hated what blanketing that for a lot of people.

(38:57):
But unfortunately I just didn't see the Cowboys, given their
current situation, being able to give up luck, especially when
you saw what they were able to do with the
draft and all those picks this year. Yeah, I agree.
What thinking about it is that kind of picking back
on that notion about the whole table of Dylan that
he you know, he have a you have a more
conscious about you know, how he presents himself. Um, you know,

(39:17):
I think a lot of that is up through that,
you know, through his family as well. His mom is
a really really big stickler about you know, image and
things that sort. Even coming through high school and and
L s U and things of that that sort. You know,
Jamal was like this, Okay, So you know, the typical
high school kids, especially when you were number one kid
in the country or you know, top rated as he were,
whatever the case may be, you really really kind of

(39:37):
want to be visible throughout the community and throughout to
see that whatever the case may be, Jamal might go
to a like a high school party or something like
that at nine thirty or whatever case may be, but
he might be back at home, comes in the type
of deal, slide out the party, you know what I'm saying,
be back home playies to call them you know, hey man,
you know we we're looking for you. Where you at
I'm at home. I don't say the type of deal
and whatnot, but it made sense, you know once you know,

(40:00):
they go in watching workout or watch us workout. You
know I'm saying, not tell this story all the time.
The summer of his junior you are going into a
senior year. We worked out in the summer fifty two
days in the row at five thirty in the morning. Wow,
two days in a row at five third in the morning.
And this was before the high school workout. So you
got a high school kids have to report at the
morning times. And you know, I saying, whatever, and get

(40:22):
the school workout in. Now. We don't already work out
before the school works out, you know what I'm saying.
So mainally he's been a pro for a long time.
Do not tell the fans this, Clay. They can't they
can't handle this. They're they're they're they're gonna, they're gonna
fall in love even more. But wait, we've got a
couple of guys that they can fall in love with
that I know that you you think highly of, and

(40:42):
the Cowboys thought highly of treyvon Dick's being the first one.
A guy who actually played receiver for the start of
his career has not actually been playing corner very long, Um,
I guess talk about his ceiling and also how far
away from being a finished product you think he has
given that he's still relatively new to the position. Well,
I think in relationship to the to the finished product deal,

(41:05):
you don' Nactually, you don't any rooking that comes into
this league. You know, there's a learning you know what
I'm saying that you know, no matter how advance you are,
you know, you don't see the type of talent that
you do in this league on this level that you
do in college, you know what I'm saying. So you know,
granted that you know, he was to go against you know,
a couple of first rounders and Jerry Judy and and
Rugs and and and Davante who he'll be a first

(41:26):
rather the next year of Alabama along get with with
the other kids seventeen also, so he was fortunate in
in that case. Um, but you know, he have all
the intangibles. I mean, he has everything that you need.
He has the size, he has a twitch and and that,
and that's I think that's the whole miss normal about
you know, bigger guys. Also is that bigger guys typically
it's not twitching, you know what I'm saying. Well, you know,

(41:47):
I tell guys, I mean that's if if you're a
big guy and somebody to tell you that you move
pretty good to be a big guy. I tell all
of my guys considered that an insult, you know, because
they don't tell all guys that you move well to
bill small guy. I'm saying. So one of the things
that we've worked on with with Trey Bonn because I mean,
I've been training for a while now. I mean, you know,
you're naturally he's here and I've had him through the
draft process, but I had him private to that as well.

(42:09):
What I'm saying, So, the one thing that I've always
worked on with him is that, you know, don't don't
allow a statement like you move pretty good to be
a big guy. What I'm saying to insult you, you
know what I'm saying. So we we've always worked on
this twitch what I'm saying. So I think that's a plus.
The biggest thing I think is a plus is his
ball skills. His ball skills is off the charts. When
I say off the charts, off the charts, and I

(42:31):
think that's a that's a um A direct correlation to
the fact that yet, like you said, he do have
a receiver background. UM, you know, naturally, you know, he's
the younger brother of Stefan did or what have you.
But I think those are something that attributes that are
hit him while he tried to cut through that learning curve. Okay, Um,
but as far as his seeling, he hadn't touched his
seeing him because he's gonna been playing DV about two

(42:51):
years now, you know what I'm saying. Because remember not
last year but the year product that. Remember he got hurt.
What I'm saying, he didn't play a full season, you
know what I'm saying. So so he's really really just
kind of getting his groove. You don't saying what have you.
So that's one thing that I'm gonna do is that
him and I we're gonna sit down and we're gonna
evaluate some of his old film uh as much dB
him that we can, Okay, and then uh and I'm

(43:12):
gonna act like you know, really I don't I don't
know him per se, you know I'm saying. And I'd
be really really critical about a lot of things, but
not so we can just you know, again, try to
speed him up a little bit, you know what I'm saying.
And um, and you know, hopefully the scheme will allow
him to just kind of be instinctive for a while.
You know what I'm saying, As he get his football,
like you from from the from the professional level, what
I'm saying, so he can grow and develop, you know

(43:33):
what I'm saying from that. But you know, I think
the more complicated the schemes, I think that what slows
a lot of guys down as well. You know him
personally and I've only had a few passing moments with
him as we lead up to the GIRAFT and after
he got picked. What stood out to me about him was,
you know, obviously talking about his childhood and the fact
that Stefan really stepped up as as a father figure,

(43:56):
but also just his his work ethic. He was asked
what are his strength and he didn't want to focus
on that. He wanted to focus on his weaknesses. And
so you talk about being very critical with him when
you evaluate the tape. Is he the type of guy
that can handle that stuff and just is he one
of those sponges that receives that criticism well and wants
to improve? Oh? Absolutely absolutely. Um. You know even with

(44:18):
me though you know I pushes his buttons a little bit. Um.
But the claim go Boden is that he don't react.
He don't get a reaction on I mean, I don't.
There's not no wrinkles in his fuehead. It's not a
outside like like I'm getting on his nerves. It's none
of that. It's just let's get it again. But I'm
gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you one of the
unique things about it, and I think just just a
testament of him and his character and is you know

(44:38):
how he was raised and all the things that he
went through. Is that even going through the draft process, okay,
little with him, and they had certain days to train guys,
you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, guys like
me and be robbed. You know, we go in and
we have I think three days a week or whatever.
But I was actually training to trape on five and
six days a week. And that was because he was
bugging me, like we're finished at twelve? What time can

(45:03):
I come one o'clock? You know what I'm saying. Because
my deal is this, whenever you get an athlete that
wan't it like that, you have to feed him. You
have to feed him, you know what I'm saying, And
especially by me, be a hometown guy, a cowboy. I
want to see him big successful to my team. You
know what I'm saying. So but noring. But hold, we
didn't know that he was coming here. You know what
I'm saying, But I don't tell you. Somebody funny about that.

(45:24):
He mentioned that, he mentioned it. You know what I'm saying.
So if you know some one of his interviews, he said, um,
you know, it was a dream of mine. He said,
you know, I talked about it. You know what I'm saying,
and just so happened it came true. Well, he wasn't lying.
He said that we talked about it. He's like, man,
you know Mac, we would riding one day he said, man,
I love Dallas. When I said really, I said, think
about Dallas. It's a perfect balance. It's not too fast,

(45:45):
it's not too slow. It has fast lanes. Now, don't
get me wrong. I said, I also have slow lanes
as well. So you can kind of create your own
balance and whatever, you know, your disposition is, you can fit.
You know what I'm saying with you can you could
find your lane per se. He said, yeah, I see that.
He said, Man, I love Dallas. I said, oh okay,
and we just left it alone. We left alone. And
when he got a drafted UM, he texts me and

(46:07):
because he hadn't came across the screen yet, so he
texts me and he said, let's get to work and
put a big start on it. I didn't know about
in the stall clicking. And my upstairs um TV is
YouTube TV. My downstairs TV is Spectrum. So one of
them is a little bit fast enough. So you ran downstairs.
I ran downstairs. I have I have a I have

(46:28):
a loss. So I ran downstairs real quick and I
turned as soon as I turned it on, it was
showing his hotlights. And man, I mean I'm talking about
I flipped, absolutely flipped. Yeah. Man, that that's my guy.
That's my guy. And and when we talk about, you know,
the type of character Jamal Adams has and the type
of person he is, I think sometimes people have the

(46:49):
impression that guys who are you know, stars that are
coming out of big schools, like a Trayvon Dicks for Alabama,
that they expect a big ego or something like that. Um.
In my experience, it's the two or three times i've
I've dealt with Trayvon, it's been very humble, very quiet,
He's very soft spoken. He actually kind of reminds me

(47:09):
of it. Jane and I always talked about how smart
and quiet, uh Marii Cooper as another former Alabama guy,
and Trayvon is kind of the same way on the
defensive aside, just quiet and and you know, but but
but don't mistake that for a lack of competitiveness or
a lack of edge backs. He's got it exactly, he
got it. And funny we're talking about that and not

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to bring up somebody from another team or whatever case
may be, but uh, doing this, doing this pre draft process.
I told Jeff Okuda one time in our training session.
I said, Jeff, you need to meet Trayvon. Really. He
said yeah. I said, because you got this positions really similar.
Jeff is like that too, you know what I'm saying.
In fact, I had to get on Jeff about, you know,

(47:52):
all his media obligations, getting on the f the NFL network,
getting on ESPN, you know things that's sort of whatnot. Well,
he just not like you know, he's not in a
uh attention monger per se. You know what I'm saying,
He's he's just not that. But Trayvon the same way.
You know what I'm saying, he can he can live
with it, he can live without it, you know what
I'm saying, just kind of just go about his own
weight and um. So, once they met and so Jeff

(48:14):
called me, he said, you know, I finally met Trayvon.
I said, okay, so what happened? He said, I love
it there, really, I said, I told you though you said,
because y'all just musicians or someone, you know what I'm saying. So,
so yeah, I definitely coach. I don't know what you're
talking about that as relates to you know, he's not
an ego guy. He's not that. But I think also, uh,
that's a um you can attribute that also to the

(48:35):
fact that just like how you said about how his
brother raised him, you know what I'm saying, or was
that father figure with his brother also get an excellent
job by making Trayvon work for what he got. And
everybody know the countract that his brother has, you know
what I'm saying. So his brother is rich, you know,
but he didn't approach Trayvon like that. Okay, he didn't.

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He didn't spaw Trayvon, but he made sure Trayvond didn't
want for nothing, you know what I'm saying. But Trayvon
when in college driving around and big bons is and
and did wagons and all that, it wasn't that he made.
He actually made Trayvon appreciate you know, I'm staying the
hard work that who was gonna take for him to
get to where he's going. So that's the one thing
that I appreciated about their relationship. Man, I appreciate Steffon

(49:17):
so much. I've always been a fan of his when
I even when I do some Minnesota games. But I mean,
even after all this, before we let you go, Clay,
because you've worked with Byron Jones, and you know, Mike
McCarthy has finally said this is gonna be a four
three defense with some three or four principles. What do
you think Dallas is still lacking at that cornerback position? Uh?
There really hasn't been a shut down corner per se

(49:41):
in Dallas and and quite some time. Uh what do
you think that they need an order to be effective
there at that position? You know what I don't. I
don't even think it's a personnel deal, to be honest.
I think, um, I think it's the fact that you know,
you got to make guys kind of kind of do
what they can do. What I'm saying, so good example, Uh,
you know I trained Cheetoh, I trains you know, I trainspiring.

(50:03):
I tra trained you know capon phrasing some of other
guys as well. Um. But the thing about it, what
I noticed that in the off season, and even like
we was going over a certain techniques and things that
that's whatnot, they was only allowed to do one technique,
you know what I'm saying. So um, you know, naturally
you know other people watch fams as well, you know
what I'm saying. So you know, it's like, you know,
one day we came into a training session and even
Tito was like, you know, hey, look, you know I

(50:24):
need to know how to you know, kind of counter
some of the releases that Mark Cooper has given me,
you know, like they practice. And I said, okay, what
kind of what kind of press techniques to you guys
using it? He showed me. I said, okay, well I
would do this. He said, well, we can't necessarily do
that I'm saying. I said, well, you have a disadvantage
because as soon as somebody see that, you know from
a film scouting perspective that this is only what you're doing.

(50:48):
They're gonna figure you out, and it's gonna be a problem.
You don't saying whatnot. So it was a it was
a unique just for those who who don't know, that's
a a unique uh. Pete Carroll Chris Richard got sproutly
created techniques called a kick step, and it's it's very
much about letting the receiver guide you. And and so
just for the to give that the name and they

(51:08):
call it the kickstep. Yeah. And the thing about is
that with the kicks, you know, it kind of keeps you,
It kind of keeps you stationary a little bit um.
You know, you got to keep in mind somebody's coming
at you, but you're standing in place. Per se. They
don't have to run. Receivers don't have to run into
you know what I'm saying. They try, They can go
around you, they can move you a couple of times.
You know, I'm saying, they can go left, they can
go right, and then wants a DV get d you

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know what I'm saying on a on a wide release
or wide inside release. Well, now he's gonna try to
move and he's gonna offend in that technique. Okay, okay,
with what they said, then you can't go into in
my opinion, you can't go into a game or cover somebody.
Let's just say, like somebody with exoctly releases like a
Marii and Judy and Julio and Brittley and you know
Davantie Adams and guys like that. You have to help

(51:51):
multiple ways to attack those guys, you know what I'm saying.
So um, you know, if they allow those guys what
I'm saying to help multiple ways to defend guys, I
think they'd be absolutely fine. They're great athletes, They're absolutely fine.
But you know, when you pigeonhole them, I think that's
the problem. Also, the Innyvie man, that's fascinating, Bobby. I
don't know if the fans have thought about. I'm certainly
going to go look at some tape now as a

(52:11):
result of that, because I think that's fascinating. Clay. I
always love talking to some of you guys that this
is what you do, you marinate in it. Uh, you
work with so many the guys in the league, and
such a credit to you and even de Rob with
some of the wide receivers that you guys have. I
know this is the time of year you're typically pretty
busy and even more so doing this thing virtually. Thank
you for jumping in on. We'd certainly love to have

(52:33):
you back on, uh, if you if you like, because
I know there's a lot of other guys who want
to talk about Jordan Lewis's development, what we can expect
from this Reggie Robinson guy, but we do have other
people to get into the pot. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no,
no problem. At any time, any time I've been I've
been waiting to jump on with you guys. I'm trying
to a Jane down and up and and and um

(52:54):
I know where Ron slavn Um. I love Ron. He's
the best. Yeah yeah, And and he talks you know
yeah yeah, and I would and he would like, you know, hey, look,
you know, let's go find Jane. And you know, with
the mix Alo media and everybody, you know what I'm saying,
So you we're just gonna find you. But I'm glad
we'll find labor all alright. Well, like I said, by
all accounts, Bobby, it felt like this was the sort

(53:16):
of draft that the Cowboys not only needed as a
fan base, but that Mike McCarthy needed as the new
head coach. I think what we saw was a lot
of influence from McCarthy, but also I know you gave
them the props that they deserved on Twitter, but the
Scouting department for what they were able to accomplish in
this one as well, Yeah, no, they they did an
excellent job. And the cop was have a really good

(53:36):
staff of area Scouts and national Scouts. Everybody knows Will McClay,
Stephen Jones, Jerry Jones, but uh, Drew, Fabian h. Mitche
La point their National Scouts, Lionel Vitale, their area Scouts,
Ross Winschey in the West, Client Kubi Act the Midwest,
Brett Maxie in the mid States, Sam Garza justin Stuckey,
Chris Vaughan, who I know you know very well Long Horns, uh.

(53:58):
And they have some scouting assistance there as well, like
Eric Gallingworth and bow Tally of Faro, and so they
they've got a really strong scouting staff and I think
you saw what they were able to do. No offense
to any past regimes, but I think you saw what
the scouts were able to do when they didn't necessarily
have a Jason gird or Rod Marinelli pounded on the
table for their guy. You know, I do think that

(54:19):
was interesting that how much given the challenges that came
with this draft. You know, the Cowboys, I don't know
exactly how many people they were able to get in
the building, do you know that answer. I don't think
they were able to get any of their visitors in
the building they scheduled them. I don't think they're actually
able to get anybody at the facility, though I know
Nashville got ten in New Orleans got none in and
you know, talking to some of my my folks within

(54:41):
the building at with the Cowboys, they just said they
would force them to rely on the tape. But you know,
keep in mind, these NFL SIP coaches aren't watching the
college tape during the year. They're just as busy as
we are, focusing very myopically on the NFL in the season,
that when they're outing, they're scouting tape from guys in

(55:02):
the league or undrafted free agents that might still be
out there. So I thought this was a unique opportunity
for some of these scouts to really show some of
the work that they've done, and then also the reliance
that the Cowboys have on their guys. Yeah, Brian brought
us made the point on Dallas Cowboys dot Com during
the Draft show, said that his first draft with Bill
Parcels when he was here, Parcels just let them run

(55:25):
it because Bill knew I just came in I haven't
been studying these guys like they have. So he went
ahead and trust of the scouting staff. And of course
in two thousand four and onwards, Bill was there the
whole time, so Bill started calling shots. But the very
first year he was there, he he really deferred to
the scouts. And I think that maybe that will change
in the future with Mike McCarthy. But I think that's
another reason why McCarthy did it. To your point, is

(55:46):
that this is he's had a lot on his plate.
He was, you know, interviewing for jobs. He wasn't necessarily
doing a whole bunch of college scouting. And this is
something that the Cowboys do year round. They start work
in June and they plow through all the way until
the end of April with their draft work. They get
May off and that's about it. Well, and you plowed
through a lot of this too. While I might be

(56:07):
busy during the year, focusing on the team and getting
interesting dog gets. As it relates to this season, I
don't think a lot of people realize Bobby, that this
is a lot of the stuff that you do behind
the scenes, and I think as a result, that's why
we've had such an interest from our fans with some
of the relationships that you've built with these college players
with some of their agents, and so I thank you
for allowing this podcast to shine at a time I

(56:28):
know that people wanted not only the distraction, but they
wanted information. So I don't say it enough, but you
are my m VV say it all the time all
the time, but I really do appreciate some of the
work that you've put in, and uh, you are such
an invaluable resource, not only to me, but I think
the Cowboy Football fans. So thank you for shining during
this time. My friends, I appreciate it. Like peanut butter

(56:49):
and Jelly, it's just it works. And to our fans,
thank you for making this show work. We how many
downloads have we had at this point, but a lot
we Uh. I know I haven't gotten the most recent numbers,
but I know as of last week we're averaging over
ninety thousand for the last three episodes. That is wild,
and just for context, that's typically what one of our

(57:10):
episodes looks like during the season when we do them weekly.
So thank you for your interests, thank you for letting
us continue to grow what was a hobby into what
we now consider a podcast that we are proud of,
and we will see you on the next one. Good
thing I was able to delete on my tweets about
Jane before we started working together.