November 16, 2025 • 16 mins
Guest host Richard Syrett and Soft Lights Foundation founder Mark Baker discuss the negative impacts of pervasive LED lighting.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Mark, let's talk about your wake up call. What happened
to you with regards to LED lighting.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Oh gosh, yes, I'm not involved with LED lighting because
I chose it. It was something that happened to me,
and I'm happy to share my story with your listeners.
It was very dramatic or traumatic, I should say so.
I was a a middle school math teacher in Silicon Valley, California,
(00:33):
and around twenty fifteen, at the end twenty sixteen, that's
when I started to notice LED lights coming out, so
car headlights and blood lights on buildings and the street
lights on my street. They began to change these lights,
and to me, it was something I'd never experienced before,
(00:57):
a kind of emotional feeling that I can't it's some
indescribable alien and I associated the word evil with this
what I now turned blue rich light. I remember clearly
driving to work to school and seeing Cadillac daytime running
lights and thinking this can't be real. This is what
(01:20):
is this evil light that's hitting me? It was capturing
my attention. It was either forcing myself to pull away
from not looking at the light or being attracted to
it like a moth and staring straight at it. It
was so bizarre. In my town, they changed the beautiful
high pressure sodiums the orange lights the street lights. They
(01:43):
changed them to five thousand Calvin led blue rich street lights.
I lived on the second floor and they were right
at eye level. So I came home and one night
and my living room and kitchen were blasted with this
intense light flooding my apartment. So I had to close
the blinds, and it was just it was so terrible,
(02:06):
and as I began to get struck, I would call
it being struck by this light. Repeatedly, my mood started
to sour. I started being depressed and agitated, and it
felt inescapable, and I began to try to join groups
on the internet and trying to figure out why this
light was so terrible and found other people that were
(02:29):
experiencing the same reactions as me. Well, it got so
bad that I tried to get my school where I
was working to eliminate some of these lights, and there
was one in particular.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
It was at the top.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
They put it on the top of the building, and
when I came in in the morning, it was shining
straight into my eye and it would put me in
just this really terrible state. So at one point I
had tried to get the school district to change the lights,
and I had my principal come in fourth period at
the start of class and he said, oh, they decided
(03:05):
they need those lights for safety. And this had been
several years already, so this is a twenty nineteen. I
had a total catastrophic mental breakdown. I could not imagine
myself living with these led lights for the rest of
my life. And I broke down something I've never experienced before,
nothing close, just in a complete panic and crying in
(03:29):
a kind of a weird way. And they called the ambulance.
They called the police, and they they captured me and
put me in handcuffs and threw me in the ambulance
and took me to the mental hess board. Oh lord, yeah,
and so and so it was something. It was just
a total catastrophic breakdown. So they put me on drugs.
(03:55):
I was just it was there's so many other people
suffering there in the mental health hospital, and it's not
a good place, and I plod the workers that are there.
But because they put me on all these drugs, I
was kind of out of it and just like it
was just such a weird experience. I then got transferred
to my normal medical facility and I was there for
(04:16):
another three days. So overall I was out out of
commission for four days due to a mental breakdown. And
it was because of the LED lights.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
And so in the hospitals. Were there led lights in
the hospitals as well.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
I was really out of it with the drugs and
really in an altered state of mind, so it was
really hard to sort of grasp what was going on.
But when it was all done, and I spent a
lot of time sleeping really just sort of recovering. But
when it was done, it was no longer functional. I
was no longer capable of going back to teaching math,
(04:55):
which is what I was teaching. I was no longer
able to have patients. I lost eight pounds just just
this weird reaction to this light, and so I was
unable to go back to work. So I lost my job.
And that's when I became a full time advocate for,
you know, solving this problem.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
And when did you start to realize people all over
the world were reporting the same neurological and emotional effects.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So when I was first looking into this, around early
twenty sixteen, I found a Facebook group ban blinding LEDs
or and this was not started by me, but it
was started by somebody else, and I said, oh, these
are my people. And I didn't know anything about LEDs
at the time, and so other people had, you know,
(05:47):
they had encountered this problem. And so I started a
Facebook group and I joined that and started to learn
about this concept called color temperature, which is at the
time what we thought the whole problem was was the
was the color temperature was wrong. And then I met
other people online. Donald Berry started a petition to ban
(06:10):
blinding headlights for cars. He started out in twenty sixteen.
And then I became so involved and so interested in
trying to solve the issue that I ended up creating
the soft Lights Foundation at soft lights that's a plurals
dot org, and we have a Facebook soft Lights Foundation,
(06:32):
and then soft lights dot org as a website now
and we are now a nonprofit five' one c three
and we advocate. So I've just because I lost my
job and I just now I'm basically forced retirement. I
just spent my time now advocating and trying to compel
the government to solve this problem.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
You mentioned the headlights, and I didn't make this connection
until I don't know, maybe a couple of months ago.
I'm kind of slow, yes, but I'm finding it increasingly
difficult to drive at night, particularly in the rain. And
I don't have cataracts. I've not had you know, laser
what do they call it, Lasik surgery or whatever. Sometimes
(07:16):
when people have that surgery, it creates problems for a
night vision. I've not had that. It's the LED headlights.
Every car that drives by it seems like they're on
high beam, and then it's exacerbated in the rain. It's
getting to the point I can't drive at night. It's
the LED headlights. And it's something that I shared with
(07:38):
you a couple of weeks ago, and I was embarrassed
then and when it happened, and I'm embarrassed now. But
I'm gonna we recently, well eight months ago, we got
a puppy, Tucker, who's now eighty five or ninety pounds,
ten month old, eleven month old Jeeze Golden Retriever, and
(08:01):
we love Tucker. He's starting to settle down finally, thank God,
because he was an absolute terrorist in the beginning. Anyway,
we love Tucker. I came home a couple of weeks
ago and I was in such a mood. I was
so irritable. I don't know what came over me. And
I the dog was, you know, just doing what dogs do,
(08:21):
trying to, you know, get close to me. And I
was irritated and I blurred out, I said, get away
from me. I'm going to kick you. I never did,
I never would I, but I said it out loud.
I thought, oh my god, what is wrong with me?
And the mighty Affordie he said, what's going on? And
now I'm thinking it's I'm sitting under led lights right
(08:42):
now in the studio, and I'm in this office like
all day every day. It's the LEDs must be.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, it quite possibly could be. Let's go back to
the headlights for a second to sort of because many
people encountered these headlights and it's a good time for
me to promote our petition. You can go to soft
lights dot org and click the button that says to
sign a petition to ban blinding headlights, where you can
just search on change dot org ban blinding headlights and
(09:13):
save lives. And so we have almost seventy five thousand
signatures on this petition that was started back in twenty sixteen,
and it tells us how many people are suffering from
these headlights. So people may be driving right now and
listening to this show and there's this glare in their eyes.
It's making them unhappy. This light is making them agitated.
(09:39):
They're trying to avoid it. And so let's say you
have a commute, or let's say you're a long haul
trucker or something, and you get home, you're going to
be exhausted and you may take it out on your dog. Unfortunately,
right because you just don't have any patients anymore. This
is sort of why I have this mental breakdown, is
because it was just repeat did hitting me over again
(10:02):
and over again over again until I just couldn't take
it anymore. And so I'm very concerned about what is
happening to really our whole population in the United States
and across the world by this repeated high energy blue
wavelength light. And it's absolutely the wrong color of light
(10:23):
to use for headlights. France used to require yellow headlights
specifically because it's the scientists already study this one hundred
years ago and found that the least amount of glare
is from yellow. So why would we now have blue headlights? Well,
because it was cheaper to make. That's why, to get
(10:45):
the higher energy, to get the more what they call
luminous efficacy, to get more lumins per watt out of
the chip. It was blue. That was just the physics
the way they could figure it out. So they switched
to blue. And then they I call them they, but
the industry and the government officials they used cover up
stories to kind of say, well, now we can see better,
(11:07):
we have better visual acuity, we're going to have less
accidents and such, and it was all nonsense. It was
just all made up stories. This glare that's coming from
the headlights is blinding everybody. There's no regulation on it.
None of these headlights were authorized. They never the auto
industry never petitioned the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to
(11:30):
authorize these. There were no studies done to regulate it.
And so now we're just everybody is suffering with these
headlights and it's making us angry.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Any data to show that these headlights are causing accidents
more accidents.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
There's a couple of different things going on. So one
of the influencers is called the Insurance Institute for Highway SAFETYHS.
The insurance companies belonged to this organization and they have
researchers there. But it's a you know, they have a
(12:08):
certain agenda, and their agenda is to reduce crashes, to
reduce expenses for the insurance industry. So just last month
IAHS published a study which I don't think is I've
read it. It's not very good, but claims to say
that while these LED headlights have not increased the number
of I don't forget remember exactly, but deaths or injuries.
(12:32):
So but the important thing from the IIHS standpoint was
that it's not costing the insurance companies. They're not having
more crashes. That's what they believe. They're not having more crashes.
But but they discount the comfort, the medical problems, the
possible eye problems, I damage later, all these other issues.
(12:57):
They just ignored all of that.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
There's another causing sorry, is it damaging our retinas?
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I believe so.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
So, macular degeneration is something that occurs over time. Those
eye cells that we have do not regenerate so skin
cells they regenerate all the time. We're like, every two
weeks we have a whole new skin. They die and
they fluff off, and then you get new ones. That's great,
but not your eye cells. So this blue light that
(13:26):
we've talked about, this four hundred and fifteen animeter light,
this will kill the eye cells. And so if we're
being exposed to high glare light at night, you're getting damage.
And we're not going to know about it for another
twenty years or so. But but then all of a sudden,
we're going to have three hundred million Americans going to
(13:46):
the eye doctor and say I've got macular degeneration and
having to use these very expensive drops and stuff and
whatever happens. So yeah, we're very concerned, and we're not
getting the government to listen and study this and the
auto industry to fix it.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I've got about two minutes here and then were rolling
into the break at the top of the hour, but
I and we can start this conversation now. We'll continue
it after the break. But we were told the rationale
behind LED technology was energy efficiency. They'll save energy, and
(14:22):
we're all, you know, talking about this green revolution, and
we've got to save energy, save energy. Do LED lights
actually save energy?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, it's a semantics thing. It's in one of those
tricks again. So if you say save energy, what does
that mean exactly? Energy efficient? I flatly say no. LEDs
are not energy efficient because by definition, you need to
compare to something else, and the comparison product is the
incandescent light bulb. When you claim energy efficiency, you need
(14:59):
to have two parts. It needs to be the same
quality of light but using less energy. So if you
only change have one metric lumens per wat, and you say, oh,
an incandescent light bulb gets ten lumens for every wat
of energy, but my LED can get one hundred lumens
per watt of energy, that my LED light bulb is
(15:22):
more energy efficient. It's false because what they've done is
they've used blue light instead of comfortable and safe red
light with mostly infrared. They've switched from analog flicker to
digital flicker, and they've chosen to make it a beam
instead of spatially distributing it. So the quality of the
(15:45):
LED light is so much worse, and so it's not
energy efficient by definition. It's not the same quality of
light using less energy. It's just a lower quality light source.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one a m. Eastern, and go to Coast to coastam
dot com for more
Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Mark, let's talk about your wake up call. What happened
to you with regards to LED lighting.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Oh gosh, yes, I'm not involved with LED lighting because
I chose it. It was something that happened to me,
and I'm happy to share my story with your listeners.
It was very dramatic or traumatic, I should say so.
I was a a middle school math teacher in Silicon Valley, California,
(00:33):
and around twenty fifteen, at the end twenty sixteen, that's
when I started to notice LED lights coming out, so
car headlights and blood lights on buildings and the street
lights on my street. They began to change these lights,
and to me, it was something I'd never experienced before,
(00:57):
a kind of emotional feeling that I can't it's some
indescribable alien and I associated the word evil with this
what I now turned blue rich light. I remember clearly
driving to work to school and seeing Cadillac daytime running
lights and thinking this can't be real. This is what
(01:20):
is this evil light that's hitting me? It was capturing
my attention. It was either forcing myself to pull away
from not looking at the light or being attracted to
it like a moth and staring straight at it. It
was so bizarre. In my town, they changed the beautiful
high pressure sodiums the orange lights the street lights. They
(01:43):
changed them to five thousand Calvin led blue rich street lights.
I lived on the second floor and they were right
at eye level. So I came home and one night
and my living room and kitchen were blasted with this
intense light flooding my apartment. So I had to close
the blinds, and it was just it was so terrible,
(02:06):
and as I began to get struck, I would call
it being struck by this light. Repeatedly, my mood started
to sour. I started being depressed and agitated, and it
felt inescapable, and I began to try to join groups
on the internet and trying to figure out why this
light was so terrible and found other people that were
(02:29):
experiencing the same reactions as me. Well, it got so
bad that I tried to get my school where I
was working to eliminate some of these lights, and there
was one in particular.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
It was at the top.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
They put it on the top of the building, and
when I came in in the morning, it was shining
straight into my eye and it would put me in
just this really terrible state. So at one point I
had tried to get the school district to change the lights,
and I had my principal come in fourth period at
the start of class and he said, oh, they decided
(03:05):
they need those lights for safety. And this had been
several years already, so this is a twenty nineteen. I
had a total catastrophic mental breakdown. I could not imagine
myself living with these led lights for the rest of
my life. And I broke down something I've never experienced before,
nothing close, just in a complete panic and crying in
(03:29):
a kind of a weird way. And they called the ambulance.
They called the police, and they they captured me and
put me in handcuffs and threw me in the ambulance
and took me to the mental hess board. Oh lord, yeah,
and so and so it was something. It was just
a total catastrophic breakdown. So they put me on drugs.
(03:55):
I was just it was there's so many other people
suffering there in the mental health hospital, and it's not
a good place, and I plod the workers that are there.
But because they put me on all these drugs, I
was kind of out of it and just like it
was just such a weird experience. I then got transferred
to my normal medical facility and I was there for
(04:16):
another three days. So overall I was out out of
commission for four days due to a mental breakdown. And
it was because of the LED lights.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
And so in the hospitals. Were there led lights in
the hospitals as well.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
I was really out of it with the drugs and
really in an altered state of mind, so it was
really hard to sort of grasp what was going on.
But when it was all done, and I spent a
lot of time sleeping really just sort of recovering. But
when it was done, it was no longer functional. I
was no longer capable of going back to teaching math,
(04:55):
which is what I was teaching. I was no longer
able to have patients. I lost eight pounds just just
this weird reaction to this light, and so I was
unable to go back to work. So I lost my job.
And that's when I became a full time advocate for,
you know, solving this problem.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
And when did you start to realize people all over
the world were reporting the same neurological and emotional effects.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So when I was first looking into this, around early
twenty sixteen, I found a Facebook group ban blinding LEDs
or and this was not started by me, but it
was started by somebody else, and I said, oh, these
are my people. And I didn't know anything about LEDs
at the time, and so other people had, you know,
(05:47):
they had encountered this problem. And so I started a
Facebook group and I joined that and started to learn
about this concept called color temperature, which is at the
time what we thought the whole problem was was the
was the color temperature was wrong. And then I met
other people online. Donald Berry started a petition to ban
(06:10):
blinding headlights for cars. He started out in twenty sixteen.
And then I became so involved and so interested in
trying to solve the issue that I ended up creating
the soft Lights Foundation at soft lights that's a plurals
dot org, and we have a Facebook soft Lights Foundation,
(06:32):
and then soft lights dot org as a website now
and we are now a nonprofit five' one c three
and we advocate. So I've just because I lost my
job and I just now I'm basically forced retirement. I
just spent my time now advocating and trying to compel
the government to solve this problem.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
You mentioned the headlights, and I didn't make this connection
until I don't know, maybe a couple of months ago.
I'm kind of slow, yes, but I'm finding it increasingly
difficult to drive at night, particularly in the rain. And
I don't have cataracts. I've not had you know, laser
what do they call it, Lasik surgery or whatever. Sometimes
(07:16):
when people have that surgery, it creates problems for a
night vision. I've not had that. It's the LED headlights.
Every car that drives by it seems like they're on
high beam, and then it's exacerbated in the rain. It's
getting to the point I can't drive at night. It's
the LED headlights. And it's something that I shared with
(07:38):
you a couple of weeks ago, and I was embarrassed
then and when it happened, and I'm embarrassed now. But
I'm gonna we recently, well eight months ago, we got
a puppy, Tucker, who's now eighty five or ninety pounds,
ten month old, eleven month old Jeeze Golden Retriever, and
(08:01):
we love Tucker. He's starting to settle down finally, thank God,
because he was an absolute terrorist in the beginning. Anyway,
we love Tucker. I came home a couple of weeks
ago and I was in such a mood. I was
so irritable. I don't know what came over me. And
I the dog was, you know, just doing what dogs do,
(08:21):
trying to, you know, get close to me. And I
was irritated and I blurred out, I said, get away
from me. I'm going to kick you. I never did,
I never would I, but I said it out loud.
I thought, oh my god, what is wrong with me?
And the mighty Affordie he said, what's going on? And
now I'm thinking it's I'm sitting under led lights right
(08:42):
now in the studio, and I'm in this office like
all day every day. It's the LEDs must be.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, it quite possibly could be. Let's go back to
the headlights for a second to sort of because many
people encountered these headlights and it's a good time for
me to promote our petition. You can go to soft
lights dot org and click the button that says to
sign a petition to ban blinding headlights, where you can
just search on change dot org ban blinding headlights and
(09:13):
save lives. And so we have almost seventy five thousand
signatures on this petition that was started back in twenty sixteen,
and it tells us how many people are suffering from
these headlights. So people may be driving right now and
listening to this show and there's this glare in their eyes.
It's making them unhappy. This light is making them agitated.
(09:39):
They're trying to avoid it. And so let's say you
have a commute, or let's say you're a long haul
trucker or something, and you get home, you're going to
be exhausted and you may take it out on your dog. Unfortunately,
right because you just don't have any patients anymore. This
is sort of why I have this mental breakdown, is
because it was just repeat did hitting me over again
(10:02):
and over again over again until I just couldn't take
it anymore. And so I'm very concerned about what is
happening to really our whole population in the United States
and across the world by this repeated high energy blue
wavelength light. And it's absolutely the wrong color of light
(10:23):
to use for headlights. France used to require yellow headlights
specifically because it's the scientists already study this one hundred
years ago and found that the least amount of glare
is from yellow. So why would we now have blue headlights? Well,
because it was cheaper to make. That's why, to get
(10:45):
the higher energy, to get the more what they call
luminous efficacy, to get more lumins per watt out of
the chip. It was blue. That was just the physics
the way they could figure it out. So they switched
to blue. And then they I call them they, but
the industry and the government officials they used cover up
stories to kind of say, well, now we can see better,
(11:07):
we have better visual acuity, we're going to have less
accidents and such, and it was all nonsense. It was
just all made up stories. This glare that's coming from
the headlights is blinding everybody. There's no regulation on it.
None of these headlights were authorized. They never the auto
industry never petitioned the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to
(11:30):
authorize these. There were no studies done to regulate it.
And so now we're just everybody is suffering with these
headlights and it's making us angry.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Any data to show that these headlights are causing accidents
more accidents.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
There's a couple of different things going on. So one
of the influencers is called the Insurance Institute for Highway SAFETYHS.
The insurance companies belonged to this organization and they have
researchers there. But it's a you know, they have a
(12:08):
certain agenda, and their agenda is to reduce crashes, to
reduce expenses for the insurance industry. So just last month
IAHS published a study which I don't think is I've
read it. It's not very good, but claims to say
that while these LED headlights have not increased the number
of I don't forget remember exactly, but deaths or injuries.
(12:32):
So but the important thing from the IIHS standpoint was
that it's not costing the insurance companies. They're not having
more crashes. That's what they believe. They're not having more crashes.
But but they discount the comfort, the medical problems, the
possible eye problems, I damage later, all these other issues.
(12:57):
They just ignored all of that.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
There's another causing sorry, is it damaging our retinas?
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I believe so.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
So, macular degeneration is something that occurs over time. Those
eye cells that we have do not regenerate so skin
cells they regenerate all the time. We're like, every two
weeks we have a whole new skin. They die and
they fluff off, and then you get new ones. That's great,
but not your eye cells. So this blue light that
(13:26):
we've talked about, this four hundred and fifteen animeter light,
this will kill the eye cells. And so if we're
being exposed to high glare light at night, you're getting damage.
And we're not going to know about it for another
twenty years or so. But but then all of a sudden,
we're going to have three hundred million Americans going to
(13:46):
the eye doctor and say I've got macular degeneration and
having to use these very expensive drops and stuff and
whatever happens. So yeah, we're very concerned, and we're not
getting the government to listen and study this and the
auto industry to fix it.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I've got about two minutes here and then were rolling
into the break at the top of the hour, but
I and we can start this conversation now. We'll continue
it after the break. But we were told the rationale
behind LED technology was energy efficiency. They'll save energy, and
(14:22):
we're all, you know, talking about this green revolution, and
we've got to save energy, save energy. Do LED lights
actually save energy?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, it's a semantics thing. It's in one of those
tricks again. So if you say save energy, what does
that mean exactly? Energy efficient? I flatly say no. LEDs
are not energy efficient because by definition, you need to
compare to something else, and the comparison product is the
incandescent light bulb. When you claim energy efficiency, you need
(14:59):
to have two parts. It needs to be the same
quality of light but using less energy. So if you
only change have one metric lumens per wat, and you say, oh,
an incandescent light bulb gets ten lumens for every wat
of energy, but my LED can get one hundred lumens
per watt of energy, that my LED light bulb is
(15:22):
more energy efficient. It's false because what they've done is
they've used blue light instead of comfortable and safe red
light with mostly infrared. They've switched from analog flicker to
digital flicker, and they've chosen to make it a beam
instead of spatially distributing it. So the quality of the
(15:45):
LED light is so much worse, and so it's not
energy efficient by definition. It's not the same quality of
light using less energy. It's just a lower quality light source.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Ruthie's Table 4
For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.