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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Man welcome back, George Norry along with John Miler. John
is a published author of a number of books and
is mostly known for his pioneering research in the field
of Christian eufology now that happens to be a combination
of ancient astronaut theory and End Times prophecy. He has
been a paranormal researcher for more than thirty years. His
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interest in understanding the paranormal began at five years old
after he heard his great grandmother's tale of seeing a
UFO over one hundred years ago. His great grandmother's tale
is unique because she was the wife of a minister
for sixty years. This story, and many other other worldly
encounters to his family at fueled Miler's request and request
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re understand a wide variety of paranormal phenomenon from a
Christian point of view. John, welcome back. Have you been.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Hey, thank you very much for having me back on
the show. I've been doing really good. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
You were last on a couple of years ago and
did a great job for us.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Hey, Yeah, thank you. Yeah. Twenty twenty one was a
big year and all the things that we're going on,
you know, during the middle of the pandemic. And then
I saw the you know, the news segment and they're
talking about, you know, looting in Walmartin. Then they squeeze
this little thing in about UAPs and the Navy finally
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coming clean and saying, we don't know what it is
a huge one eighty there, and then you know, back
to riots over in the streets, you know, and it's like,
wait a second, rewind that, yeah, and all the other
things that were going on at the time, and you know,
hearing reports about people in the Pentagon freaking out saying
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that they're demons, and I'm like, wait a minute. I
think that there's a lot of Christians that are getting
read into the file and they're confused and freaking out,
and we thinking they have to like not be a
tri anymore. And that was why it's stimulated to write
this latest book, you know, update my research and get
it out there, because I wanted these people to know
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you don't have to abandon your faith just because ets
are real, and in fact, the Bible makes a lot
more sense when you understand how integrated the greater reality
and you UFOs and the nature of our existence. I
think it really is.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
The Catholic Church is beginning to understand that now too, John,
aren't they Yes.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yes, they do. They've come out with some information about
you know, like, hey, yeah, it's probably you know, part
of God's creation, pretty simplistic to you, of course, talking
about how it integrates with a strong delusion that's coming
in the future. The fact that the an event in
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the future known as the Rapture of the Church is
I think it's going to be an actual mass alien abduction.
But it'll be a total twist because the people abducting
us are not going to be hostile. They're going to
be rescuing us out of this planet, and the rest
of the planet's going to interpret that as a hostile
alien invasion. So it's kind of a radical twist.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Give us your definition, John, of a Christian eufologist.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
So I stick to being a Christian, but I also
pull from a lot of that ancient astronaut research and
the research in the UFO field in general. But when
it comes to the fundamentals of a believer, for example,
I do not believe aliens seated humanity. I believe that
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God created Adam from the dust of the earth, just
as it says in Genesis two seven. I believe in
the identity of God as Creator, and that he's the
one who created humanity, and that other worldly beings have
been trying to to destroy God's identity for a very
long time. So that's one of the key differences between
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Christian euthology and neu apology in general.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
What happened a long time ago with your sister that
kind of peaked your interest in the paranormal?
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Okay, So I got a lot of crazy stories in
my family. We're just sort of surrounded by ex file
type stuff. But this one story that happened with my
sister back in the early eighties is just one of
those really interesting ones because it could be like a
bunch of different things. You don't really know. It's hard
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to put your finger on it. I have a suspicion
that this was an angel. However, she used to live
for a short period of time on an island in
the middle of Mississippi. It was completely off grid, no phone,
and they had a generator for electricity, and they lived
in a little shack next to a hunting lodge, and
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they were like caretakers. So during the off season, they
were like isolated on this island. There was only one
other person on this island five miles away, so the
island was five miles long or five miles wide eight
miles long. They were on the southern end of the
island and this other guy was on the like the
northern end of the island, so they were on opposite
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ends of the island. That was their only neighbor. You
had to take a ferry to get to the island
and then attractor to their house. So talk about isolate.
They did not give visitors. And late one night in
the winter, it was snowing outside and my sister was
in the kitchen cooking and her husband was sitting on
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the couch cleaning a rifle and he had it broken
down in all the pieces. And suddenly the door opened
up and a guy walked into the middle of the
living room, and he said he was maybe a six
foot tall guy, white dude, blond hair, blue eyes, and
he had this military looking uniform on. It was like
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a bluish color. And he remembered seeing his shoes were
almost like really shiny, spit polished light immaculate, which makes
no sense, because that's Mississippi mud outside, you know, average
two to three inches thick, and your feet will get
stuck in it. It's hard to walk in. But this
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guy's shoes were spotless, and he just walked right in
and they were like, wait a second. The door was locked,
and there were dogs sleeping in front of the door.
The funny thing is is that this guy, who was
perfectly sentient, he looked around the room kind of like
taking stock of where he's at, and then realized he
was not in the right place, and he smiled at
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my brother in law kind of like with this goofy smile,
like whoops, and he waved at him. Then he turned
around and walked back out the door, and my sister
hurt something and she poked her head around the corner
just in time to see the get back of the
guy's leg go through the door and shut the door
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as she turned and looked at James, and James was
like he just couldn't even move. He was white as
a ghost and his hands were trembling, and suddenly he
leaped off of the couch and ran across the room,
went to open the door. It was locked, and then
he did unlock it, and he had to shove it
open because the dogs were up against the door and
this guy was gone. I mean, it was no trace
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of him. And my sister started screaming like she just
totally lost it, you know, since the reality unglued, and
they talked about it for a while, like what what
was that? And I kind of get this feeling like
maybe he was an angel sent there to change the
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tide of the war or something, because this island was
heavily contented during the Civil War, and like maybe he
showed up and got the wrong dates or something. And
it's like, look, I don't know how to explain it,
but he did act like this there was some sort
of cosmic mistake and didn't about face and walked right
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back out. And they never figured it out. I mean
they looked for footprints. I mean, he just dearly vanished
into thin air.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Right.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
He seemed friendly, He seemed friendly, he seemed sentient. He
totally looked like a physical, normal human being. But the
things that don't add up is the fact that he
opened that door, you know, when it just wouldn't open,
and so there was sort of non physical characteristics and
he was his uniform was spotless, so he basically appeared
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at that door and was able to walk through it,
and they couldn't figured any of that out. They experienced
other weird things on that island too, like phantom explosions
that they had no idea what that was, you know,
like a bomb went off and shook the ground and
they're like looking around and didn't know what, you know,
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what's that? But the island was probably haunted also because
there was a lot of people that were killed there
during the Civil War. But on this occasion, you know,
this guy is showing up, They didn't know what that was.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Do you really think he made a mistake going to
the wrong place or do you think that was just part.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Of the bit.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I don't know honestly, Like was he a time traveler
or was he a ghost or was he an alien
you know, trying to fit in to a Civil war
time period? But then showed up and was like, wait
a second, this is not the right time or place.
Maybe the right place, but not the right time something
like that, because his behavior was just bizarre, you know,
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like he realized he made a mistake. And so I
wrote an article on that event and called it Angel's
unawares or unaware Angel.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
A lot of people believe the UFO phenomenon John is demonic.
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So when I wrote my first book on this genre
many years ago, like over twenty years ago, I wrote
Aliens in the Bible, and I primarily believed it was demonic.
Something in my gut told me it was related to
something the Bible refers to as a strong delusion. In
Second Thessalonians, chapter two, it talks about becoming of the
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lawless one, and it's referring to this Antichrist. And it
used to really plague me when I was a kid, like,
how in the world is this guy going to deceive
the whole planet? That just makes no sense. I mean
he's straight up predicted how he's gonna act. I think
he's gonna say his characteristic you know, activities he's going
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to do. And yet people are gonna believe him. People
from all walks of life are going to follow this guy.
And always just like, how can people be so dumb?
I mean I don't get it. So there was that right,
and so I used to think it has to be
something so out and left field that it can sort
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of kind of undercut a bunch of different religions all
at the same time, sort of like disapproving that they're
all wrong. It has to be this other thing, and
Jeffo's kind of fit the bill for that in a
way they sort of subtly support. But today today they
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sort of subtlely support evolution. And that's where like the
Catholic Church would would probably disagree. That's definitely where I disagree,
But a lot of people would say because they're scientifically oriented,
and you're thinking when you think about aliens and outer space,
and they're scientists and you're studying us and doing experiments
and stuff, that kind of dovetails over into evolution, which
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basically dismisses God from the equation. So that's why I
thought that they had something to do with a strong delusion.
And then I also heard about these accounts, you know,
these things they abduct people, they're not being ethical, taking
people against their will, subjecting them to these horrible experiences
and stuff. And then also the fact that people have
called on the name of Jesus and that usually makes
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them return people quickly. So there's these strong indications that
there's definitely something demonic here. However, that's not the full picture.
And as years went on, I did more and more research,
and I saw the other side of the coin, like
the fact that what's an angelic chariot Ezekiel chapter one
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to ten. This is clearly another worldly spacecraft. In Second
King's chapter two, verse eleven, and in Chronicles chapter twenty
eight talks about how Alike went up in a chariot
like this thing literally beamed him up. Then you have
all of these other scriptures about routine abductions of Elijah.
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Enoch was taken up, he was translated in Genesis five
twenty four, the apostle Philip was taken up, Act eight
thirty eight or thirty nine. And then these clouds of
glory and an entire fleet of angelic angels that completely
like hypnotized an entire army in Second Kings chapter six.
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And that giant Ufo, the mothership that led Israel through
the Red Sea and set them for forty years, this
giant column, this cylindrical thing in the sky taking care
of them Nehemiah chapter nine, verse twelve, Exodus chapter thirteen.
So there's all these other scriptures about faithful angels and
their association with otherworldly technology. So there's good guys too.
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So now I've kind of come back off of the
you know, it's all demonic, and now I'm over into
the camp of there is a demonic element, and there's
definitely a demonic element coming in the future, but good
guys are going to be involved too.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And they're going to be Yeah, is it a sign
of end times prophecy?
Speaker 3 (14:22):
It is. Jesus specifically said, as it was in the
days of Noah, so shall it be in the coming
of the days of the Son of Man. So he
singled out the days of Noah. Now, if you go
back to the days of Noah, that's Genesis chapter six.
That's a huge, huge red flag for people who study
UFOs and ets because that's when the sons of God,
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the Watchers Aniola scheme. Samerians referred to them as the Ananachy.
That's when they came down and integrated with human society
and made it with us and actually had hybrid children
that are called the Nephelin. The big difference between the
Samerian narrative on that is that they pass themselves as
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the good guys and the heroes and their weird version
that in Lille brought the flood of Noah because you
couldn't sleep, you know, so, you know, because people made
too much noise, so let's just wipe them out with
a flood. That's their narrative. That's totally way off base.
The reason the flood was brought was because their children
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were abhorrently evil and they were destroying the planet and
killing everybody, and they were cannibals and they were awful,
and God had to bring the flood to basically quarantine
the planet and clean it up and start over again.
That's the real narrative. And Jesus said, we're going to
return to that, to the deception that was going on
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in that day with these otherworldly things. And it's for
that reason that I believe that we're going to eventually
have open disclosure and these things will become part of
our open society. That's I see that as a reality
that's coming our way.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
And you're not alone in your thought process, are.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
You, No? And I think it's becoming more and more
of a they're really pushing hard for that, a lot
of different people out there. The Disclosure Project, for example, Uh,
doctor Career is pushing for that with you know, he
was behind the whole disclosure thing with all these whistleblowers
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coming forward and there's a lot of people pushing for that.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Where does this all lead as a Christian uphologist.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Well, I do see this strong delusion coming up in
the future, and it's predicted, you know, and so how
are we going to deal with this? You know, when
we start to see things coming together, is going to
be a huge event that the Bible talks about. It's
called the rapture. It's going to be hard to miss.
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So there may be people listening to this broadcast now
that will be here in the world in the day
when that happens, and they'll be here still, it will
not be taken. They'll be here and they'll remember this
little story about me saying, hey, in the future, there's
going to be an alienation with you know, millions of people,
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possibly even as much as a billion, I don't know,
just suddenly vanishing off the planet. And the rest of
the planet's going to take this as a hostile alien invasion,
except for maybe some people that can remember this and
they'll know to reject that deception when it's put out there.
But all the Christians are going to be gone at
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that time. So the only thing you're going to have
left is people in the world who remember faintly hearing
Christians predicting this crazy thing that's going to happen. And
I would like to point them to Revelation fourteen sixty seven.
That's an angel that flying through the heavens and preaching
to the people of the earth in the end times
during the Great Tribulation, and he's reminding them to worship
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the Creator. He's pointing them back to the identity of
God and reminding them who God really is. He's not
some et, he's not some alien race or any number
of other things that they're going to be espousing at
that time. God is the creator of all things. He's
the King of the universe. And that's what that angel
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reminds him of. And that even if the rapture has
come and gone, and there's a lot of people that
are gone, it doesn't mean it's too late. Because one
Corinthians fifteen twenty three and one Thessalonians chapter four, verses
thirteen through seventeen says that there's going to be another
rapture right before Jesus returns, and that's going to be
people who returned, you know who came to Jesus after
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the rapture.
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