June 29, 2025 • 16 mins
Guest host Ryan Wrecker and UFO investigator Don Schmidt discuss potential motives for the United States government's perpetual suppression of the Roswell story.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
What are some things that you know that are out
there but you haven't been able to find the evidence
for it yet.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Well, certainly it's the piece of the holy Grail, as
we would call it. One of the reasons we continue
to do archaeological work at the crash site slash debris
field as identified by numerous independent witnesses who were involved
back at that time. Certainly that could prove this overnight,
(00:33):
we'd have a press conference right there at that very
location and just imagine being able to demonstrate a piece
of that memory material. That would just leave everyone in
awe that there would be such technology that had been
out there all these years, just waiting for someone to
(00:54):
finally dig it up, so to speak. And that's a
race that were involved with and I can you know,
I will continue to be part of for as long
as I'm able. The other race that we just lost
was the race with the Undertaker, and I was for
(01:14):
all the witnesses of the World War two generation. And
there may be one or two still out there of
our witnesses yet to be discovered. But nonetheless, we did
everything we could to get them to go on the record.
They in many cases would sign a sworn AFFI David,
(01:35):
give us a video deposition. But more and more towards
the end we were getting deathbed confessions. And deathbeds are
missible in a court of law for a reason. People
just do not lie at the end when they know
that their days, their minutes are are you know, stretching
(01:58):
down to just a few and so the same applies
to Roswell and Ryan. If you can imagine, we have
had skeptics tell us that, well you can't believe any
of the Roswell deathbeds. Well, but we can believe all
the others in a courtroom. All the others are considered
legitimate as far as in a court of law, but
(02:19):
not Roswell. So you see the hoops, the obstacles, the
roadblocks that we've had to deal with from day one,
that no evidence will ever suffice. And I would honestly
state before the audience that it wouldn't matter what president,
(02:40):
what political persuasion would go public tell the world that
it was all true. We are being visited that there
was a recovery of a crash, you know, craft of
unknown origin back in nineteen forty seven north of Roswell,
New Mexico, and half the world still would not believe it.
Mm hmm. The thought about that in their mindset, they
(03:04):
just can't you know, it can't be. Therefore it isn't.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Is the closest thing you've seen the comments from President
Donald Trump. He was asked about it, and his answer
was something along the lines of, I haven't seen it,
but I've talked to some very serious people who have
seen it. So you take take it for what it is.
Is that the closest you think we'll get.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Well, we've had, you know, the late Senator Barry Goldwater
of Arizona, who you know, described you know, his feudal
efforts as far as even in witnessing and having access
to the recovered artifacts the wreckage, and we have you know,
letters from him where he specifically spelled out that it
(03:49):
was the former base commander at Roswell who told him
all about this. Now, mind you, Goldwater ran for president,
he was a two star general, and yet he was
denied access. And so yeah, Bill Clinton, you know that
was one of the things that he had assigned. Webster Hubble.
(04:12):
I want the answers about UFOs and the last time
he was on Jimmy Kimmel. You know, he lamented, I
had eight years in the Oval Office and I couldn't
get the answers to Roswell. And Dana Perino, who was
the first female presidential Press secretary, and she tells the
(04:34):
story that with George W. Bush that she was in
the Oval Office of one occasion and mister President, what
can you tell me about Roswell? And all he did
was smile and wink at her.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
So what do you think that the motivation is there?
So there could be a couple of motivations from the
government side, meaning they don't want to disclose it because
what they received was such so much for national security
in the sense that they were able to pull this
technology and they don't want other people to know what
we have. What why motiv is that you think the
(05:14):
primary motivation the government has or could there be something else?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Well? I think even Colonel Oliver North when he talked
about the Basement White House during the Iran Contra hearings
and suggesting that there were other people pulling the strings,
that there were other forces, whether within the country or outside,
that were calling the shots. And I think whenever a
(05:39):
president is assuming office, that they assess their foreign as
far as rights, foreign knowledge, as far as dealing with
foreign affairs, their domestic background, what can what do they
need to tell him or her or you know, what
(06:04):
can we as far as deny them access to that,
they play off of their own strengths. And I think
many of the presidents have demonstrated their lack of knowledge
on the subject, just as the present people of Capitol
Hill the hearings are demonstrating this today Ryan that they
(06:24):
know really nothing about this subjects char as they're concerned.
This all happened with tic TAC and with the mimics
as far as back in two thousand and four, and
before that there was nothing. Well, that's what's so wonderful
about going back to nineteen forty seven, because there were
no drones, there were no satellites. The skies with pristine
(06:46):
both rocket and jet propulsion were in their infancy. Nothing
else was up there. The alternative explanations were very limited.
And whereas today the skies are just full of all
types of technological advances that we have achieved. And as
though they're afraid to go back and then have to
(07:09):
come up with answers to something that still remains not
only unexplained, but not only extraordinary, but that it hasn't
gone away. Larry King would make that comment that for
something that was so readily explained, the way is nothing
more than an off the shelf weather balloon. It comes
(07:32):
back stronger and stronger and stronger, because if it is
truly what I've become convinced it was, it's not going
to die. Even though the witnesses have all passed on,
the information is still there. The government is still sitting
on the biggest story of the millennium.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Do you think that there's other government agencies or organizations
that also have the same information, So, for example, I'm
always interested to learn the Catholic Church, for example, they
have observation locations in the United States, They're always scanning
the skies. Do you think there's other agencies that know
what the United States government knows and they're also holding
(08:14):
on to the secret.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Well, one of the curious things I always point out,
even at the museum in Roswell, that we have the
second largest UFO library in the world. Well, as you
just mentioned, who has the largest, the Vatican, the Catholic Church,
(08:37):
and I have had personal discussions with Father Robert Spitzer,
head of the Magic Center right there in La by you,
and he was head of the observatory in Arizona for
a number of years. I've even had discussions about Roswew
with Cardinal Timothy Dolan, and they have no problem with this.
(08:58):
They have absolutely no pride with the very acceptance that
there are others. They would say, creations that we are
limiting God if we believe that we're the sole inhabitants
of the entire universe. And to be honest with you, Ryan,
the one thing you talk about documentation Again, one of
the things that I've talked to Father Spitzer about that
(09:21):
I want access to the Vatican archives because just to
imagine you're in the Oval Office, you're President Harry Truman,
and you get that first phone call with the President.
We have an incident, we have a situation in New Mexico,
and we cannot come up with an identification, an explanation
(09:45):
of the technology that has come down here that a crash,
and it appears that it may indeed be of a
superior technology. God help us if it's Soviets, God help
us if it's someone else here on planet Earth. But
it does not appear to be the case. So I'm
(10:05):
the president, and I personally believe one of the first
people he would have called up at that time would
have been the Pulp p Pius twelve and specifically asking
your holiness, what does the church know about this? Because
obviously the church would have thousands of years of records
(10:29):
regarding this phenomenon. What does the church know? So I
would like to document that call. I would just like
to demonstrate that. Now, I can't believe that the President
would call up the Pulp during that window of opportunity
just to discuss you know, you know, Catholic dogma.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So it's an interesting connection.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
He's to the puzzle.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yes, let's look at other presidents too. A couple of
years ago, there was a movie that came out that
looked at the relationship President Nixon had with Roswell. So
how had presidents since Roswell handled that location?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Well, you know, you talk about President Nixon and that
in the entire Jackie Gleason story of the two of
them playing golf, they were, you know, very close friends,
and Nixon taking him the Homestead Air Force Base and
his seeing a number of bodies that were recovered from
(11:32):
a crash UFO situation, and that Nixon, that Gleason would
go on and build a home that was shaped like
a flying saucer, and that after he died there were
over seven hundred UFO books in his library's personal collection.
(11:52):
And he also became associated with my scientific director, doctor Jail,
and Heinich became associate of our Center for UFO Studies
in Chicago. And then people would say, well, why Nixon, Well,
who is chief of staff of the Air Force or
excuse me, chief of staff of the Army in nineteen
forty seven when Roswell happened, Bright Eisenhower, and who was
(12:17):
Eisenhower's VP for eight years, Richard Nixon. So again, when
you connect the dots, it doesn't prove it, but at
least it doesn't dismiss it. It's again, what an investigator,
It's what a researcher. It's what a scientist would do
(12:38):
in looking at a situation. Can you know, can I
theorize about something and can I make it fit and
let the evidence lead me to whatever final solution would
be available.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Do you think that every president has visited Roswell? Is
it required for the job?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Well, it's interesting on one occasion, I had a phone
call from the mayor of Roswell and can you overnight
a book? Don George W. Bush is coming to town
tomorrow and we'd like to give him one of your books.
And then the Bill Clinton whenever I posed the question,
(13:22):
do you know that Roswell is mentioned in ken Starr's
report on the Monica Lewinsky affair, And It's like, no,
that's impossible, and then we point out that, well, yes,
when the grand jury sub peanut the phone or the
book that Lewinsky had gifted him for Christmas, and when
(13:44):
they retrieved it from the President's private study, it was
sandwiched between two books. What was a book on Winston
Churchill and the other was an autographed copy to the
president of Kevin Randall's and my first book, Beautiful Crash
at Roswell. And so the President Reagan he had been
(14:08):
to Roswell on two occasions, and the second time that
theis the platform where he spoke was right outside of
the very hangar that B twenty nine hangar that the
wreckage and the bodies had transited through back in nineteen
(14:28):
forty seven. So was that by accident, I suppose, But
again was it a signal? Was it a signal?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Well, I know we only have a couple of minutes here,
and I'm sure people are going to have questions next hour.
Are you open to the phone lines? We can answer
some of them.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Course of course.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I got one email and I'm going to bring this
up to you just to see your reaction. Do you
get a lot of people that believe you personally ufologists
Don Schmidt are running an interference campaign in order to
throw people off the track.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Well, I would say I highly disqualified for the fact
that I started out as a known skeptic, that that
was something that at that time I was even accused
of running interference for the opposite.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Side both ways.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
And so it's not as though one is made a
living by this. It's not as though one has been
able to capitalize on this. It's been at great personal
loss and expense. I had two engagements that broke off
just because I was devoting more and more of my
(15:47):
personal time and bracing with the undertakers I described earlier,
tracking down every witness possible that could give us the
information about the true nature of the case. And it's
come with a lot of slings and
Speaker 1 (16:04):
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Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
What are some things that you know that are out
there but you haven't been able to find the evidence
for it yet.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Well, certainly it's the piece of the holy Grail, as
we would call it. One of the reasons we continue
to do archaeological work at the crash site slash debris
field as identified by numerous independent witnesses who were involved
back at that time. Certainly that could prove this overnight,
(00:33):
we'd have a press conference right there at that very
location and just imagine being able to demonstrate a piece
of that memory material. That would just leave everyone in
awe that there would be such technology that had been
out there all these years, just waiting for someone to
(00:54):
finally dig it up, so to speak. And that's a
race that were involved with and I can you know,
I will continue to be part of for as long
as I'm able. The other race that we just lost
was the race with the Undertaker, and I was for
(01:14):
all the witnesses of the World War two generation. And
there may be one or two still out there of
our witnesses yet to be discovered. But nonetheless, we did
everything we could to get them to go on the record.
They in many cases would sign a sworn AFFI David,
(01:35):
give us a video deposition. But more and more towards
the end we were getting deathbed confessions. And deathbeds are
missible in a court of law for a reason. People
just do not lie at the end when they know
that their days, their minutes are are you know, stretching
(01:58):
down to just a few and so the same applies
to Roswell and Ryan. If you can imagine, we have
had skeptics tell us that, well you can't believe any
of the Roswell deathbeds. Well, but we can believe all
the others in a courtroom. All the others are considered
legitimate as far as in a court of law, but
(02:19):
not Roswell. So you see the hoops, the obstacles, the
roadblocks that we've had to deal with from day one,
that no evidence will ever suffice. And I would honestly
state before the audience that it wouldn't matter what president,
(02:40):
what political persuasion would go public tell the world that
it was all true. We are being visited that there
was a recovery of a crash, you know, craft of
unknown origin back in nineteen forty seven north of Roswell,
New Mexico, and half the world still would not believe it.
Mm hmm. The thought about that in their mindset, they
(03:04):
just can't you know, it can't be. Therefore it isn't.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Is the closest thing you've seen the comments from President
Donald Trump. He was asked about it, and his answer
was something along the lines of, I haven't seen it,
but I've talked to some very serious people who have
seen it. So you take take it for what it is.
Is that the closest you think we'll get.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Well, we've had, you know, the late Senator Barry Goldwater
of Arizona, who you know, described you know, his feudal
efforts as far as even in witnessing and having access
to the recovered artifacts the wreckage, and we have you know,
letters from him where he specifically spelled out that it
(03:49):
was the former base commander at Roswell who told him
all about this. Now, mind you, Goldwater ran for president,
he was a two star general, and yet he was
denied access. And so yeah, Bill Clinton, you know that
was one of the things that he had assigned. Webster Hubble.
(04:12):
I want the answers about UFOs and the last time
he was on Jimmy Kimmel. You know, he lamented, I
had eight years in the Oval Office and I couldn't
get the answers to Roswell. And Dana Perino, who was
the first female presidential Press secretary, and she tells the
(04:34):
story that with George W. Bush that she was in
the Oval Office of one occasion and mister President, what
can you tell me about Roswell? And all he did
was smile and wink at her.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
So what do you think that the motivation is there?
So there could be a couple of motivations from the
government side, meaning they don't want to disclose it because
what they received was such so much for national security
in the sense that they were able to pull this
technology and they don't want other people to know what
we have. What why motiv is that you think the
(05:14):
primary motivation the government has or could there be something else?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Well? I think even Colonel Oliver North when he talked
about the Basement White House during the Iran Contra hearings
and suggesting that there were other people pulling the strings,
that there were other forces, whether within the country or outside,
that were calling the shots. And I think whenever a
(05:39):
president is assuming office, that they assess their foreign as
far as rights, foreign knowledge, as far as dealing with
foreign affairs, their domestic background, what can what do they
need to tell him or her or you know, what
(06:04):
can we as far as deny them access to that,
they play off of their own strengths. And I think
many of the presidents have demonstrated their lack of knowledge
on the subject, just as the present people of Capitol
Hill the hearings are demonstrating this today Ryan that they
(06:24):
know really nothing about this subjects char as they're concerned.
This all happened with tic TAC and with the mimics
as far as back in two thousand and four, and
before that there was nothing. Well, that's what's so wonderful
about going back to nineteen forty seven, because there were
no drones, there were no satellites. The skies with pristine
(06:46):
both rocket and jet propulsion were in their infancy. Nothing
else was up there. The alternative explanations were very limited.
And whereas today the skies are just full of all
types of technological advances that we have achieved. And as
though they're afraid to go back and then have to
(07:09):
come up with answers to something that still remains not
only unexplained, but not only extraordinary, but that it hasn't
gone away. Larry King would make that comment that for
something that was so readily explained, the way is nothing
more than an off the shelf weather balloon. It comes
(07:32):
back stronger and stronger and stronger, because if it is
truly what I've become convinced it was, it's not going
to die. Even though the witnesses have all passed on,
the information is still there. The government is still sitting
on the biggest story of the millennium.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Do you think that there's other government agencies or organizations
that also have the same information, So, for example, I'm
always interested to learn the Catholic Church, for example, they
have observation locations in the United States, They're always scanning
the skies. Do you think there's other agencies that know
what the United States government knows and they're also holding
(08:14):
on to the secret.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Well, one of the curious things I always point out,
even at the museum in Roswell, that we have the
second largest UFO library in the world. Well, as you
just mentioned, who has the largest, the Vatican, the Catholic Church,
(08:37):
and I have had personal discussions with Father Robert Spitzer,
head of the Magic Center right there in La by you,
and he was head of the observatory in Arizona for
a number of years. I've even had discussions about Roswew
with Cardinal Timothy Dolan, and they have no problem with this.
(08:58):
They have absolutely no pride with the very acceptance that
there are others. They would say, creations that we are
limiting God if we believe that we're the sole inhabitants
of the entire universe. And to be honest with you, Ryan,
the one thing you talk about documentation Again, one of
the things that I've talked to Father Spitzer about that
(09:21):
I want access to the Vatican archives because just to
imagine you're in the Oval Office, you're President Harry Truman,
and you get that first phone call with the President.
We have an incident, we have a situation in New Mexico,
and we cannot come up with an identification, an explanation
(09:45):
of the technology that has come down here that a crash,
and it appears that it may indeed be of a
superior technology. God help us if it's Soviets, God help
us if it's someone else here on planet Earth. But
it does not appear to be the case. So I'm
(10:05):
the president, and I personally believe one of the first
people he would have called up at that time would
have been the Pulp p Pius twelve and specifically asking
your holiness, what does the church know about this? Because
obviously the church would have thousands of years of records
(10:29):
regarding this phenomenon. What does the church know? So I
would like to document that call. I would just like
to demonstrate that. Now, I can't believe that the President
would call up the Pulp during that window of opportunity
just to discuss you know, you know, Catholic dogma.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So it's an interesting connection.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
He's to the puzzle.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yes, let's look at other presidents too. A couple of
years ago, there was a movie that came out that
looked at the relationship President Nixon had with Roswell. So
how had presidents since Roswell handled that location?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Well, you know, you talk about President Nixon and that
in the entire Jackie Gleason story of the two of
them playing golf, they were, you know, very close friends,
and Nixon taking him the Homestead Air Force Base and
his seeing a number of bodies that were recovered from
(11:32):
a crash UFO situation, and that Nixon, that Gleason would
go on and build a home that was shaped like
a flying saucer, and that after he died there were
over seven hundred UFO books in his library's personal collection.
(11:52):
And he also became associated with my scientific director, doctor Jail,
and Heinich became associate of our Center for UFO Studies
in Chicago. And then people would say, well, why Nixon, Well,
who is chief of staff of the Air Force or
excuse me, chief of staff of the Army in nineteen
forty seven when Roswell happened, Bright Eisenhower, and who was
(12:17):
Eisenhower's VP for eight years, Richard Nixon. So again, when
you connect the dots, it doesn't prove it, but at
least it doesn't dismiss it. It's again, what an investigator,
It's what a researcher. It's what a scientist would do
(12:38):
in looking at a situation. Can you know, can I
theorize about something and can I make it fit and
let the evidence lead me to whatever final solution would
be available.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Do you think that every president has visited Roswell? Is
it required for the job?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Well, it's interesting on one occasion, I had a phone
call from the mayor of Roswell and can you overnight
a book? Don George W. Bush is coming to town
tomorrow and we'd like to give him one of your books.
And then the Bill Clinton whenever I posed the question,
(13:22):
do you know that Roswell is mentioned in ken Starr's
report on the Monica Lewinsky affair, And It's like, no,
that's impossible, and then we point out that, well, yes,
when the grand jury sub peanut the phone or the
book that Lewinsky had gifted him for Christmas, and when
(13:44):
they retrieved it from the President's private study, it was
sandwiched between two books. What was a book on Winston
Churchill and the other was an autographed copy to the
president of Kevin Randall's and my first book, Beautiful Crash
at Roswell. And so the President Reagan he had been
(14:08):
to Roswell on two occasions, and the second time that
theis the platform where he spoke was right outside of
the very hangar that B twenty nine hangar that the
wreckage and the bodies had transited through back in nineteen
(14:28):
forty seven. So was that by accident, I suppose, But
again was it a signal? Was it a signal?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Well, I know we only have a couple of minutes here,
and I'm sure people are going to have questions next hour.
Are you open to the phone lines? We can answer
some of them.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Course of course.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I got one email and I'm going to bring this
up to you just to see your reaction. Do you
get a lot of people that believe you personally ufologists
Don Schmidt are running an interference campaign in order to
throw people off the track.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Well, I would say I highly disqualified for the fact
that I started out as a known skeptic, that that
was something that at that time I was even accused
of running interference for the opposite.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Side both ways.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
And so it's not as though one is made a
living by this. It's not as though one has been
able to capitalize on this. It's been at great personal
loss and expense. I had two engagements that broke off
just because I was devoting more and more of my
(15:47):
personal time and bracing with the undertakers I described earlier,
tracking down every witness possible that could give us the
information about the true nature of the case. And it's
come with a lot of slings and
Speaker 1 (16:04):
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