September 7, 2024 • 51 mins
Discover an addict’s near-death experience with special words on relationships and ‘crossing the bridge’ into the Afterlife.
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Speaker 1 (00:49):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
that our loved ones have survived physical death and so
will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. I am
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convinced that our human journey is the toughest thing that
our souls will have to deal with. It's bad enough
that we live within our own minds, which don't always
tell us positive things, do they. Many people deal with
addiction of one kind or another. On our time together today,
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I want you to hear a near death experience of
a gal who was an atheist, an alcoholic, and a
drug user, and hear her story of recovery which did
not happen immediately, but ultimately led her to feeling that
love and guidance surrounds us all. Then we'll look at
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addiction and does it go with us to the afterlife.
I think you know the answer to that, but I
want you to hear the words from mister Eric through
the trance mediumship of Scott Milligan. Then we'll continue with
another tough question, what to do if a loved one
isn't speaking with us. And at the end we're going
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to hear some words on what it is like from
spirit side when our bodies die and we crossed the
bridge into the afterlife. Let's start off with the story
of Louisa Peck.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
I come from a family I had a lot of
good gifts in it. My mother knows a lot about
art history and classical music, and my dad was a.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Professor at the university and really successful in his field.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
We were taught that God was something superstitious from the past,
that science had since proven to be a bunch of silliness,
and any kind of spiritual stuff was people's way of
comforting themselves because they were afraid of reality. My father
was a wine kinnisseur, but he also was an alcoholic,
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and I'm an alcoholic as well.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
We learned to focus on all the good stuff, and.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Anything bad that you didn't want other people to know
about just didn't exist.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
You just get rid of it. So I grew up
having to.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Excel, and it wasn't enough to get all a's, and
it wasn't enough to be a good vallet dancer. And
when I was a teenager, I developed an obsessive compulsive disorder,
and I just hid that from the world.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
I hit it from everyone. It haunted me because I couldn't.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Believe, when I was my normal, integratedself, that I kept
doing these things that were so horrible to me. So
I made a big vault in my mind where I
could hide stuff the world couldn't see. And so I
went to a vassar and I was five by to Kaba.
Lots of awards, and when that was over, I didn't
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know how to keep excelling. So I moved to New
York City, and this is where I had my NDE.
I hadn't had a date in high school. Nobody wanted
to date me. So in New York, I was going
to make up for all that, and I was going
to be a nightclub queen. I had a boyfriend in Houston,
and I moved to New York to be closer to
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the cheating boyfriend who was in Boston. So I broke
up with the Houston boyfriend. But before I got back
together with the cheating boyfriend, I went out with his
best friend. Morally, I was kind of not very together,
and I was also a budding alcoholic. What I thought
is I could just get high enough, if I could
just dance well enough, it would come together and I.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Would finally feel like I was enough.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
So we went to this nightclub and we did a
whole lot of cocaine and.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Drank a lot.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I was almost where I wanted to be. We decided
to buy some more, so we look around the club
in New York and we scraped together. I think it
was fifty bucks, and there was this ceed guy, and
he said, yeah, I've got stuff, so we bought it.
And I didn't know it at the time, but since
I've been sober in a twelve step group, I have
a lot of friends who used to deal drugs, and
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they told me that was lydocane, not cocaine, and it's
a thing sort of related to novacane that numbs you
when you put it on your lips, so you think
it's coke when you're buying it. So we did some
of this and it did nothing, no high. So being
a good addict, I'm like, well, I'll just do it
all because it's not working. So I snorted however much
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he sold us. I first began to notice that I
was developing tunnel vision. What lydokine does is it shuts
down a lot of your automatic nervous system. So my
heart was beginning to shut down, my breathing was beginning
to shut down. My brain wasn't getting enough oxygen. So
this tunnel began to close.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
I went in the bathroom.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I was waiting in line, and I realized I couldn't
read the graffiti at all, and I began to get
a little scared because it was getting so dark.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
So I came out and I went to my friend
and I said, there's no air in here.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
I was breathing hard at that point, but my heart
was probably down to like thirty twenty eats a minute,
and nothing was getting to my brain. So he said,
maybe you just need a glass of water.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Like there's no air. There's no air.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Most normal people would think something's wrong with my brain,
but I thought, wow, there's a new effect of coke
that I didn't even know about.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Wow, I'm getting some wicked tunnel vision here.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
And so I wasn't afraid until it started to get
so dark that I was having trouble seeing, and I
was having so much trouble getting breath that it felt
like I was suffocating. I went out and I found
my friend and I said, I can't breathe.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Something's wrong. There's no air down here.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
The nightclub we were in was in a basement, so
I just felt like it was all breathed up. He said,
we'll get you some water, which I didn't want, and
I took me to the bar and the bartender said, here,
here's a glass of water. I took it and I
raised it to my lips and it was right at
the point when I took a sip that I left
my body, that I had collapsed and hit my chin
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on the bar, because it seemed that I flew up
in the air, straight up in the air, and it
felt wonderful, and I forgot all about the nightclub, and
I forgot all about not being able to breathe. And
I was in the blue, open sky and I was
shooting up and I thought, I'm going to do a
swan dive back, and so I curved my back and
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I did this beautiful overarching dive, and then below me,
I saw the ocean and it was blue and it
just went to the horizons, which didn't worry me either.
I was getting ready to dive in. I thought, I
am coming from awful high. This could hurt, and it
might go so deep I can't get to the surface.
That's the only fear I ever felt. On the other
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side was like, this could be tricky.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
So I dive in. I'm under the water.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
It doesn't hurt at all, and I look up and
I see this beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Dappling surface.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
And then I look around and I see the shore
and I want to be there, and I'm there, no problem,
which doesn't seem weird.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
It doesn't seem weird that I want to be somewhere.
And then I'm there.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
And then I'm on the beach and I look down
and I see down maybe about five hundred feet from me,
there's a messa coming up out on the beach. Like
everything else has been eroded away, but this messa and
this old house it's up on top of it. And
I think, I know that house. That's something to do
with me, So I want to get to it, and
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I'm there. I go in, and I remember I was
traveling low over the floor, and I could see it
was all this old wood that had been pounded, and
I knew it was by my ancestors.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
I knew all my ancestors. We all came through this.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Same house, and they had worn the wood over time
to this fine powder. And I felt so honored to
be there. I felt they could see me. I felt
they were proud of me. I could not see them.
The one presence I sensed really strongly was my father's father,
and he's the only one who died before I was born.
I'd only seen his picture in my dad's closet, but he.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Was really glad.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I was there, and there was this picture window that
overlooked the ocean. So as I got closer to it,
something caught me up and picked me up, and I
was sailing over that dabbling path that the sun puts
across the ocean. I went real low over it, and
I was flying right over the ocean.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
I wanted it to go on forever.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
But the sun got bigger and bigger, and all of
a sudden, I realized, holy crap, I'm gonna go into
the sun. And again it wasn't fear. It was just like,
I'm going to go in the sun. That's crazy. And
then I'm in the sun and it's a brilliant, brilliant
white light and warmth and love all at once. It's
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like everything I had wanted all my life to feel
that I was loved, to feel that I was you know,
I had it all of a sudden, and it came
from this being that was like a parent. It seemed
that seemed to beholding me, cradling me and loving me
like I was an infant or baby, and just pouring
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you are so loved, You are so loved, And it
felt so good.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
But I didn't hear anything. It was just intense, brilliant light,
warmth and love until I just sort of wasn't even
thinking you love me, I love you.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
We was just love is. There was nothing to want.
It's hard to describe. It's impossible. I've heard many people try.
It can't so I don't know how long I stayed there,
But all of a sudden a parent said you're not done,
or says by telepathy, you don't hear the words, but
you get the idea. It says you can't stay You're
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not done. And I said no, and it went from
light to black, complete black, and.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
I screamed no, no.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I don't have a voice, but I was like an infant,
just throwing a freaking temper trantrum. And the parent left
me with sort of an afterglow of like I still
love you.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
By's a done deal.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
So then I had a split second of fear, like
I'm in total darkness. And then these still stick figures
showed up. They were like white figures on a blackboard,
and they were doing little cartwheels and jumps and spins.
There were maybe like six or twelve of them. I
can't say, but I thought, okay, this is a toy
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that the parent left me to keep me entertained until
I go back, so I'll just watch.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
So they were saying these little rhymes like how.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Many hippos make the hopscotch or you know, they just
didn't make any sense.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
And then one of them got closer and bigger, and
the face filled in solid and it was saying, what
is your name? How manys? And I remembered, oh man,
I'm in the world. Oh no, this is.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Terrible, and I thought, I know what he wants me
to do, but it's so stupid.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
I'm not gonna do that. He wants me to make
that burpy air.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Stuff come out and move that loafy thing and supposed
to make these sounds. And I'm in the meat puppet
and I'm not having it. But then what are you
going to do? So my old desire to please came back,
and I said Luisa, And I was back in the world,
and I realized all the stick figures with people, and
I had sweat like a pool, and I thought that
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someone throwing water all over me. I was soaking wet.
They asked me if I could stand up. I was
like a child. I thought something really fun and silly
had happened.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
But everybody was staring at me. I didn't understand. I died.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
We'll be right back with more of Louis's and near
death experience. You're listening to Shades of the Air Afterlife
on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
Let's continue with Louisa's story from flatlining in a nightclub
to the after effects that have her believing.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Seemed like we all went upstairs and we all went
out on the street we were on in the village,
and we sat down on this bench, and this man
came over and he said, you were dead. You were
gone for three minutes, and I was doing CPR on
you that whole time. So I asked my friend, I said,
what are we waiting for? He said an ambulance.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
I'm like, okay, And then I'm like, wait a second,
who's it for. It's for you? You were dead, And
so my brain started to work again.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
I thought, okay, ambulance means hospital means parents find out
that I was doing cocaine, means a whole lot of trouble.
And there were a bunch of cabs right in front
of us. I said, can we just go? And so
he didn't want to get in trouble either, so we
just kind of jumped in a cab. I remember a
bunch of people chased after us, like hey, hey, and
we just took.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Off and I never saw a doctor. When we got
back to.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
My apartment where I left in my roommate, I wanted
a drink and they wouldn't let me have one.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
I was really ticked off about that.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
In the morning, when I woke up, I remembered the
whole thing, and I remembered that feeling of being loved
so much. I told my roommate the whole story. But
I was a really intense atheist. I I had written
my senior thesis at Vassa about the advent of modernism
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and how the Anglican Church had fallen.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
People had finally awoken to the mythical nature of.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
God, and anybody who's believed in God talked about God.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
It just kissed me. Ah. We discovered I had some
brain damage. I wasn't concerned. I was brain damage, main damage, whatever.
Then I wrote the whole thing down in a journal.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
I read it aloud over the phone to my sister,
like this crazy drug trip. And then I eventually got
with that boyfriend, and I also read it to him
over the phone.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
I would not ask them to believe that I really
went anywhere.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
I only told the story as just an example of
an amazing hallucination I had with cocaine.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
I kept it like that for a long time. I
would have left it.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
There was just this weird thing that happened to me
that had no meaning because I'd never heard of a
near death experience.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
I'd never heard of white.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Light, except that paranormal after effects started to happen to me.
And a lot of people don't know that there are
paranormal after effects that come with an NDE.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Something has been ruptured so that you get.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
New awarenesses of energy that you didn't have before. I
may have missed stuff or denied stuff that happened. Was
five years before my first weird thing happened. I've since
written my autobiography, and so I enumerated the number of
weird things that happened that gradually broke down my atheism,
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or fourteen weird things. So the first weird thing doesn't
happen till nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
And it was a whopper. I was on the.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Beach at Gloucester in Massachusetts early in the morning, in
the middle of a storm, and there was some romance
thing that wasn't worth looking out for me at this
party I had gone to. So I went out in
the storm alone in the morning, and I'm walking along
the beach and this old man comes out of these
dunes where there's no houses, there's no nothing. I'm like,
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wonder what he was doing in there because there's no
development there. And he's also wearing all this vintage fisherman gear.
I'm like, wow, I wonder where he got that old stuff.
And I'm all into vintage clothes, so I'm just gonna say,
I really like your rain gear.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
We get closer and closer. He doesn't look at me.
He doesn't look at me. He doesn't look at me.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
He crosses right in front of me, and right when
he's there, I say, how's it going, And he didn't
look at me.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
He moves his eye a little bit. They're kind of.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Bloodshot, and he moves it a little, but he just
keeps walking. So I guess kept walking and I got
all the ways and I thought, you know what a
jerk man, what a high school thing.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
To like, not even say hy, not even look at me?
What is up with him? So I turned around to
look and he wasn't there.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
And I spent some time trying to figure out if
he had dove into the waves, and wouldn't his hat
at least come up, wouldn't there be some sign?
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Eventually I said, okay, I'm going to figure this out.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I went back and I looked for tracks, and there
were only my tracks.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
I freaked out and I looked.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
For as long as I could look until it was
really clear there's only my tracks, only my tread, only me.
And then I went back to the house and people
were starting to wake up from the debauchery of the
night before, and my friend, who owned.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
The house, she said, oh man, this ghosts all over Gloucester.
You just saw a Gloucester ghost. There's like a thousand names.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Down at the wharf of fishermen who died at sea,
and he had been staring out at the horizon like
he was looking for a ship. But I just wasn't
having it. It could not have been a ghost. There
has to be an explanation. So I made my boyfriend
come and look for me, he was actually I guess
my husband then no tracks, and so there's two things.
You know, everybody's thinking you're crazy. You know you saw
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what you saw, and you know you cannot explain it,
so it goes in the vault. John didn't happen. The
next weird thing came. How many years later? That was
nineteen eighty seven. There would be nineteen ninety three, a
long time again. My brother and his wife were expecting
a baby, and I knew the baby was going to die.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
I knew that my.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Brother would have intense grief. It would be because his
son had died. So I was waiting for a miscarriage.
Miscarriage didn't happen. We met for lunch a few days
before the baby was born, and the feeling was so strong,
and I thought, this is more than pessimism, This is
more than mari. This is like, I know his pain
is going to be intense. Do I say something?
Speaker 5 (19:49):
What do you say? Do you say your baby's going
to die? I don't know when, I don't know how,
but bohere are you going to be bummed?
Speaker 4 (19:54):
I mean, what do you say? So I said nothing.
When he called me. You didn't even have to say
what had happened, And the feeling I had was this
tremendous guilt. Not that I hadn't seen anything, but my
mind was blown.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Away by the fact that I had known.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Rather than just grieving for my brother, all I wanted
to feel was grief for the baby.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
But you feel this, Oh my god, I knew it
and it happened.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
So all this time, I'm an alcoholic and I'm trying
to be like my father. I'm a successful teacher and
so forth, but I'm also drinking. But eventually I did
hit bottom and there were more weird things around that
drove extremely drunk one night, and when I got home
and I was kind of like reveling the fact that
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I was such a great drunk driver and I'd gotten home,
something hit me like a thought taser, and it said,
this is the last time I can help you. And
I heard it and it took away all my revelry
and it just made me look at what I was doing.
Another one of those came when I was very close
to relapsing. I would be thinking one thing, I would
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be in one mood, and then zap, this different presence
would get me. I did get sober, and I went
to a twelve step group and they had steps on
the wall. We got in and I was still an
atheist in spite of what had happened. I was like,
I'm not doing those things we got in. I'm having
nothing to do with it. People in the program would
talk about God and I'd be.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Like, shut up, I hate that stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Even though I knew in my vaulted part of me
that there was a God in at some part of
it spoken to me. The weird things kept coming, and
they were so undeniable. The greatest one was around my
sister's death. I actually helped my sister cross over. She
was dying of breast cancer. They had told us she
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had two weeks to live. I was waiting in the
hospital room and a voice said to me, tell her
about the light.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
She's afraid. I was like no, And when I'd.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Closed my eyes, I could feel the light starting to
fill the room. I could feel the light starting to
pool around her body. And I'd opened my eyes and
look and these eyes didn't see anything, and I'd be
there's nothing there, and she's going.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
To live two weeks.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
And it just kept building until finally I was like, Okay,
I'll do it, and so I went to her and
I knelt down by her, and I described the light
as I remembered it.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
I said, it'll be all around you. She believed in Jesus,
so I said, Jesus will be with you. You'll go
with him, You'll be unfolded in his love, and you'll
know so much happiness. She wasn't conscious, but she had
told me in a previous phone call that she could hear,
even under the morphine, every word people said.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
So I just went with it.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
And when I was done, I went and I sat down,
and then twenty minutes later, she hemorrhaged and she died.
At first, when she hemorrhaged, my brother and I were
freaking out. We were running all over the place trying
to get help. When the doctor said she's died. Her
heart is still beating, but it'll stop. I wanted to
kill the doctor. And then something came from outside and
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it was my sister, and she was saying, I'm fine,
I'm great, and then I began to feel her hovering
in the hospital room. Now by this time, it's nineteen
ninety seven. I've seen the movie Ghosts. I've heard of
white light experiences and I've heard of out of body experiences,
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and I've.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Heard of people hovering.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
All this stuff is in popular culture, and I don't
believe in popular culture. Yet my sister is hovering, and
I can feel her telling me that she's fine, loving
us all with that same kind of love, and she
filled me with it.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
She filled me with the light again.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
And so how inappropriate is that to be in the
hospital room where your sister just died and you're filled
with joy because she's filled with joy. I couldn't tell anyone.
When we got home to her house where the family was.
My sister met me at the door, and I wanted
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to tell her so much, and I was still just
filled up with this jubilation that she was with God
and that I was sort of with God right now too.
When I went home and I realized what had happened,
that's when I got that God is here all the time.
And that's when the vault opened and all this stuff
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I let it be. I remember crying and praying and saying,
you know you're here, You're.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Here, I know you're here. I began to just pray.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
I don't believe that God is anything that religion has
represented it to be. I don't call it a he.
I don't call it a she. The closest I think
we have asn't they, because I believe we all have
guardian angels, and that God is this network of energy
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outside of bodies, a network of energy that's all interconnected.
Life is an energy that can either be invested in
matter or it can be out in the world. And
that's when my life began to change.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
We'll take a quick break and we'll be back and
hear a few more words from Louisa, and here from
the spirit world about addiction. You're listening to Shades of
the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.
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I'm Sandra Champlain. I want to play a few more
minutes of Louisa, she's now in recovery eighteen years, and
then we'll hear from the spirit world on addiction.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
I'd been in a twelve step program and you were
supposed to help others, but I didn't really feel comfortable
helping others.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
It had been some barrier and that broke.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
On a specific day, there was a guy I was
obsessed with but he was also in the program, and
he was trying to teach me a different way to live.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
After a meeting one day.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I tried to stalk him to a place to eat.
He kept inviting people to come sit at our table,
and he left at some point.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
I didn't even notice. I was having so much fun.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
And when I left the restaurant alone, I said, God,
I'm having trouble with this obsession thing. I really don't
want it. Can you teach me a different way to live?
And I said, I'll make a deal with you. Got
every time somebody annoys me at a meeting, I will
go up to them right after the meeting and I
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will stick out my hand and I'll say I'm Luisa,
and I'll find out three things about them. And if
I do this, you take away mer obsession. And that's
what happened. For a long time. I'd go to meetings
and people would talk and they'd annoy me, and I'd be, Oh,
I have to go learn three things about her that
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would become my friend.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Another person.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
You know, it talks, that's all people who do stuff
I do do stuff I do. It annoys me. Then
when I meet them, we're just the same until we
get along or there's some aspect of us is the same.
So I went from being in this twelve step program
for so many years with only a small group of
friends to knowing everyone and having hundreds of friends and
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being able to help people and getting sponsores. And I
began to get that God happens when I love you,
That God happens in every connection between people, even the
slightest kindness.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
So I began to actually cultivate kindness. It's not that hard,
it's not that baky.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
It's not like can I say, you know, It's like
every person I crossed paths with, I can use that
for an opportunity to generate a little bit of God.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
If I leave them.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
A little happier than I encountered them, I'm doing what
I'm here for. Three and a half weeks ago, I
got a diagnosis of breast cancer. And I had had
a party plan for my eighteen years sober, and all
my friends came. When I discovered I was holdly I
have to have a lumpectomy instead of a mass sectomy.
I made it an eighteen years sober and keep my
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boob party. So like sixty friends from the program, showed
up and they were singing Happy Birthday to me, and
I have really embarrassed all these people everyone's singing to me.
And then one of those voices came and it said,
you know, these people love you.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
You couldn't be more safe. Just love and be loved,
and so I let go of my self consciousness.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Lots of good advice in there, including cultivate kindness, love
and be loved, and that includes being loving to oneself.
Louisa put her autobiography together, which is now a book
called Diehard Atheist. If you're a longtime listener, you know
many fridays I host something called in the Arms of Eternity,
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which is a healing and trance medium demonstration with Scott Milligan.
The voice you're about to hear is through trance speaking.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
This is a.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Gentleman I've known for eight years named mister Eric, who
passed at the end of the eighteen hundreds. This is
a question that was asked about addiction and if it
accompanies us to the afterlife. The question is, Eric, do
we take problems of addiction with us to the afterlife
If we don't deal with those issues here on this
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side of the veil, there seems to be a strong
spiritual component to issues such as substance abuse.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
You well, I must say to you bit the addiction
is with the physical body because what it jests then
releases chemicals that brings pleasure to it or causes it
to destroy itself. You will bring the memory with you.
It is a memory if you wish to carry, or
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you may disregard. Because, my friend, if someone is crippled
with addiction, and when we look at this word addiction,
many of us think straight away of what can be ingested.
But love can be addiction, Fascination can be addiction. But
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if you are talking about substance that can be ingested
that destroys the lives of other people around them, then
let us keep upon this topic. If it is the
body that has fallen in love with this chemical that
brings the soul and experience, then it will continue until
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the mortel death. Sometimes people are strong enough to be
taken away from that environment so that they know what
it was before they knew of that product. The soul
has come to the earth to find identity, but to
experience emotion and all capacity along the way. As we
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have said numerous times that the young man the one
we use seems to take offency with the devil's brew
alcohol that I myself was told it was against my
religious understandings. For I myself in prayer and of course
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doing my communion, and of course my duty would find
the Holy Spirit. My faith was the addiction that caused
me to become twisted and bitter against other people that
may choose a different path, That have I not already
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shown that I myself have changed my way. Many people
that come to our side of life that had burden,
the weight of burden is removed from them. But if
they wish and motivate themselves to be a guiding thought
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to someone here upon earth that may be following in
foots steps, then they themselves will try to inspire and
to intervene. Many civilizations have used natural remedies to commune
with the soul called dead, moving away from control to
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lose control. These individuals have gained this knowledge that has
been passed from generation to generation, and therefore their bodies
will react in the most perfect manner. But then others
have chosen to try to ingest what the body itself
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cannot hold, and therefore their reaction will be different. Will
it make them more spiritual, well, only you can decide.
Does it make them more alien to their kinship? Then
yes it does. It is a terrible thing, you know,
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when you see someone who you care for begin to
fade from view, even though they physically stand there. You
can see that the light of who they are is
slowly leaving them, leaving the physical body as they begin
to walk between the two worlds, and then all of
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a sudden they find both feet in our reality. Once again.
Those in my world are more confident, more capable, more understanding,
will be called to service as we are called to
then give healing and love to those who are left behind.
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You will see within your modern world that those things
will become alreadily available due to the poison of the
very thing that is allowing my words to be carried
to your residence. We have also seen the addiction of
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young minds to technology, but also begins to poison. Allows
the body to not move so fluid. That causes then
the joints to see, the bones to weaken, the organs
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to become heavy. So in some way, it is a
fine knife that will cut through Your world has become
dependent upon this modern technology, and we within the world
that awaits you are using the very thing for our
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world to continue to talk with you. The younger minds
of your world are falling more dependent upon this technology
through the Devil's box of your televisions. Show how accessible
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it is, how glitter and glad that everyone must have it.
Surely it is better to have someone without it and
say I am not following the herd, I being my
own person. We should all learn to love one another out,
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my friends. Everyone must make a choice. It is up
to you if you wish, but you will not carry
it within our reality. You'll carry the knowledge that will
benefit the minds of Manday, but what is not important
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will fail away and you'll never hear or speak of
it again.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
If you're dealing with addiction yourself or have a loved
one who is dealing with addiction, there is help out there.
One of the most important things to do is to
realize what's in your control and what's out of your control.
Do as much research as you can on how the
brain operates, give yourself some compassion for what you're dealing with,
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and please reach out to others to help. We human
beings need others, don't we And it's much easier going
through something together than alone. We're going to head into
our next break and when we come back, we'll hear
more from mister Eric on another tough subject. This one
is if someone close to you is no longer speaking
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to you, how we survive that and what it's like
to over into the afterlife. You're listening to Shades of
the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.
(38:28):
I'm Sandra Champlain. Did you know that one in three
people are not talking to a loved one could be
no fault of your own. Just recently, this question was asked.
If you have an only son who has abandoned his
parents who have done everything for him, how can you
heal and not cry every single day? Thank you?
Speaker 1 (38:53):
One must understand that any patron will know there are
times of trapal and time times of celebration. You are
poured into the child all that they can, all the
knowledge you wish to share, but sometimes they must find
their own way. I have inspired the one we love
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to see a grievance like walk in a circle. You
start next to each other and as you walk the
path of a circle, one goes left, other right. You
can see them, but again they feel so different to you.
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But there will come a point where you've seen that
your oceans are path. But walking a path of the
circle begins together, walks away, and then finally walks towards.
You cannot blame yourself if you have taught all that
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you could, all that you must. And of course, sometimes
you don't want history to repeat itself. Any parent wants
a child to go further than themselves. You can give
them the tools, show them the way that they may
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wield the hammer differently. Sometimes being a good parent is
learning that you must let go. A bird that typically
flies its nest may fly to see the.
Speaker 7 (40:44):
World that carried within their heart will always be a
memory when they knew of love. One has just reminded
me in the times of your distress, close your eyes,
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don't speak of our world.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Talk to the soul of the child.
Speaker 8 (41:13):
In your mind, and say, I may not know where
you are, I may not have heard your voice.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Things may have been said in reaction, but I still
love you, and the door of my heart will remain open.
Fill me, hear me, And if you wish come back
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to me. For everyone who hears these words, I ask
a question, have you heard of absent healing? If you have,
are you convinced it can work? Are you convinced it
has a benev it? If the answer is yes, then
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why do we question how a soul can talk to
another soul called to them. It may take a moment,
like an echo, doesn't respond straight away. But I ask
of you you yourself also need healing, or you are
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experiencing grief, but in a different capacity, So you yourself
must also forgive yourself. A parent is there to be
a guide in light. Your light can only be bright
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if you can truly take a deep breath in and
forgive yourself. The thing is my friend, and for all
who hear his words. When you were younger, you made
your decisions. Your child is only doing what you have done,
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but their reaction is different. You will be the guiding
like they are the ships that sails. Wish them well,
appease to their soul, and we pray that you hear
their voice, be it through the wireless or by telegram,
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for you to realize then the purpose now is to heal.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Relationships are so very difficult, but this is the best
advice I've heard in a long time, is to talk
to the person's soul, maybe even just write a letter,
to get your thoughts and your emotions out, and keep
that conversation going, even if it feels one sided, and
trust that their soul is receiving the information. Next, I'd
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like to play for you, mister Eric, talking about what
it's like when our bodies die and we cross that
bridge to the afterlife.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
The stream in which all of you will cross is
merely a stream, the stream that carries you from one
state to a new For when your eyes dim and
close for its final list, you see all those who
you have loved, all those who you may have forgotten,
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you'll instantly recognize and remember. For any family members that
have loved animals, the animals will be there to meet.
Familiar faces of family will be there, smothering you with
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love and the celebration that you have lived your life
and the world has served it's benign purpose. But I
myself saw the sweet features of my dear wife as
my body failed, I believed I was going to God's kingdom.
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As I closed my eyes from fear, I found peace,
and I saw my wife into her arms of a
strongest embrace that I have ever done. And I realized
then that the pinch of pain was no more. And
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as I have observed many who have come and stepped
across the stream, no one has ever fallen or been
washed away. It is a simple step that will change
your view for eternity, that the world in which you
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have loved is merely a step upon progress. The pain
that one may feel is washed away. They take a
deep breath in as truly this world takes your breath
away and is replaced with love and wonder. All answers
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are found, all mysteries are sold. Grievances which merely be
a step can be resolved. Grievances that are cut deeply
are forgotten. But you'll never see the one that has
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cut you. It is truly a sight that all of
you will witness. That you must be patient. But it
is the sweetest part of the sting of death. Death
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is merely a word that has been placed for a
life that has lived now lives on. It is not
used for judgment, it is not used for punishment. It
is there as the basic fact that you are born
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to be born again, not coming back to the world
in which you love in the manner where you are
at this moment, you live life after life. This world
in which you love is the shortest part of the journey,
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but in the shortest part can cause you such pain
and sorrow, it can also cranch you much joy and happiness.
In this short part. Many may see war and suffering,
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or find heaven, find environment which is imbarren, or find
life all around. But this short step is a step
that all must take. No matter how long or shot
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you draw breath. You are here only for a moment.
Treated kindly, but a short life can leave such impact
that is felt beyond your years.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
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the highlights of my life. And if you'd like to
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Speaker 1 (00:49):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
that our loved ones have survived physical death and so
will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. I am
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convinced that our human journey is the toughest thing that
our souls will have to deal with. It's bad enough
that we live within our own minds, which don't always
tell us positive things, do they. Many people deal with
addiction of one kind or another. On our time together today,
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I want you to hear a near death experience of
a gal who was an atheist, an alcoholic, and a
drug user, and hear her story of recovery which did
not happen immediately, but ultimately led her to feeling that
love and guidance surrounds us all. Then we'll look at
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addiction and does it go with us to the afterlife.
I think you know the answer to that, but I
want you to hear the words from mister Eric through
the trance mediumship of Scott Milligan. Then we'll continue with
another tough question, what to do if a loved one
isn't speaking with us. And at the end we're going
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to hear some words on what it is like from
spirit side when our bodies die and we crossed the
bridge into the afterlife. Let's start off with the story
of Louisa Peck.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
I come from a family I had a lot of
good gifts in it. My mother knows a lot about
art history and classical music, and my dad was a.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Professor at the university and really successful in his field.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
We were taught that God was something superstitious from the past,
that science had since proven to be a bunch of silliness,
and any kind of spiritual stuff was people's way of
comforting themselves because they were afraid of reality. My father
was a wine kinnisseur, but he also was an alcoholic,
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and I'm an alcoholic as well.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
We learned to focus on all the good stuff, and.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Anything bad that you didn't want other people to know
about just didn't exist.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
You just get rid of it. So I grew up
having to.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Excel, and it wasn't enough to get all a's, and
it wasn't enough to be a good vallet dancer. And
when I was a teenager, I developed an obsessive compulsive disorder,
and I just hid that from the world.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
I hit it from everyone. It haunted me because I couldn't.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Believe, when I was my normal, integratedself, that I kept
doing these things that were so horrible to me. So
I made a big vault in my mind where I
could hide stuff the world couldn't see. And so I
went to a vassar and I was five by to Kaba.
Lots of awards, and when that was over, I didn't
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know how to keep excelling. So I moved to New
York City, and this is where I had my NDE.
I hadn't had a date in high school. Nobody wanted
to date me. So in New York, I was going
to make up for all that, and I was going
to be a nightclub queen. I had a boyfriend in Houston,
and I moved to New York to be closer to
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the cheating boyfriend who was in Boston. So I broke
up with the Houston boyfriend. But before I got back
together with the cheating boyfriend, I went out with his
best friend. Morally, I was kind of not very together,
and I was also a budding alcoholic. What I thought
is I could just get high enough, if I could
just dance well enough, it would come together and I.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Would finally feel like I was enough.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
So we went to this nightclub and we did a
whole lot of cocaine and.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Drank a lot.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I was almost where I wanted to be. We decided
to buy some more, so we look around the club
in New York and we scraped together. I think it
was fifty bucks, and there was this ceed guy, and
he said, yeah, I've got stuff, so we bought it.
And I didn't know it at the time, but since
I've been sober in a twelve step group, I have
a lot of friends who used to deal drugs, and
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they told me that was lydocane, not cocaine, and it's
a thing sort of related to novacane that numbs you
when you put it on your lips, so you think
it's coke when you're buying it. So we did some
of this and it did nothing, no high. So being
a good addict, I'm like, well, I'll just do it
all because it's not working. So I snorted however much
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he sold us. I first began to notice that I
was developing tunnel vision. What lydokine does is it shuts
down a lot of your automatic nervous system. So my
heart was beginning to shut down, my breathing was beginning
to shut down. My brain wasn't getting enough oxygen. So
this tunnel began to close.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
I went in the bathroom.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I was waiting in line, and I realized I couldn't
read the graffiti at all, and I began to get
a little scared because it was getting so dark.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
So I came out and I went to my friend
and I said, there's no air in here.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
I was breathing hard at that point, but my heart
was probably down to like thirty twenty eats a minute,
and nothing was getting to my brain. So he said,
maybe you just need a glass of water.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Like there's no air. There's no air.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Most normal people would think something's wrong with my brain,
but I thought, wow, there's a new effect of coke
that I didn't even know about.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Wow, I'm getting some wicked tunnel vision here.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
And so I wasn't afraid until it started to get
so dark that I was having trouble seeing, and I
was having so much trouble getting breath that it felt
like I was suffocating. I went out and I found
my friend and I said, I can't breathe.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
Something's wrong. There's no air down here.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
The nightclub we were in was in a basement, so
I just felt like it was all breathed up. He said,
we'll get you some water, which I didn't want, and
I took me to the bar and the bartender said, here,
here's a glass of water. I took it and I
raised it to my lips and it was right at
the point when I took a sip that I left
my body, that I had collapsed and hit my chin
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on the bar, because it seemed that I flew up
in the air, straight up in the air, and it
felt wonderful, and I forgot all about the nightclub, and
I forgot all about not being able to breathe. And
I was in the blue, open sky and I was
shooting up and I thought, I'm going to do a
swan dive back, and so I curved my back and
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I did this beautiful overarching dive, and then below me,
I saw the ocean and it was blue and it
just went to the horizons, which didn't worry me either.
I was getting ready to dive in. I thought, I
am coming from awful high. This could hurt, and it
might go so deep I can't get to the surface.
That's the only fear I ever felt. On the other
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side was like, this could be tricky.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
So I dive in. I'm under the water.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
It doesn't hurt at all, and I look up and
I see this beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Dappling surface.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
And then I look around and I see the shore
and I want to be there, and I'm there, no problem,
which doesn't seem weird.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
It doesn't seem weird that I want to be somewhere.
And then I'm there.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
And then I'm on the beach and I look down
and I see down maybe about five hundred feet from me,
there's a messa coming up out on the beach. Like
everything else has been eroded away, but this messa and
this old house it's up on top of it. And
I think, I know that house. That's something to do
with me, So I want to get to it, and
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I'm there. I go in, and I remember I was
traveling low over the floor, and I could see it
was all this old wood that had been pounded, and
I knew it was by my ancestors.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
I knew all my ancestors. We all came through this.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Same house, and they had worn the wood over time
to this fine powder. And I felt so honored to
be there. I felt they could see me. I felt
they were proud of me. I could not see them.
The one presence I sensed really strongly was my father's father,
and he's the only one who died before I was born.
I'd only seen his picture in my dad's closet, but he.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Was really glad.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
I was there, and there was this picture window that
overlooked the ocean. So as I got closer to it,
something caught me up and picked me up, and I
was sailing over that dabbling path that the sun puts
across the ocean. I went real low over it, and
I was flying right over the ocean.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
I wanted it to go on forever.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
But the sun got bigger and bigger, and all of
a sudden, I realized, holy crap, I'm gonna go into
the sun. And again it wasn't fear. It was just like,
I'm going to go in the sun. That's crazy. And
then I'm in the sun and it's a brilliant, brilliant
white light and warmth and love all at once. It's
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like everything I had wanted all my life to feel
that I was loved, to feel that I was you know,
I had it all of a sudden, and it came
from this being that was like a parent. It seemed
that seemed to beholding me, cradling me and loving me
like I was an infant or baby, and just pouring
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you are so loved, You are so loved, And it
felt so good.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
But I didn't hear anything. It was just intense, brilliant light,
warmth and love until I just sort of wasn't even
thinking you love me, I love you.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
We was just love is. There was nothing to want.
It's hard to describe. It's impossible. I've heard many people try.
It can't so I don't know how long I stayed there,
But all of a sudden a parent said you're not done,
or says by telepathy, you don't hear the words, but
you get the idea. It says you can't stay You're
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not done. And I said no, and it went from
light to black, complete black, and.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
I screamed no, no.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I don't have a voice, but I was like an infant,
just throwing a freaking temper trantrum. And the parent left
me with sort of an afterglow of like I still
love you.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
By's a done deal.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
So then I had a split second of fear, like
I'm in total darkness. And then these still stick figures
showed up. They were like white figures on a blackboard,
and they were doing little cartwheels and jumps and spins.
There were maybe like six or twelve of them. I
can't say, but I thought, okay, this is a toy
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that the parent left me to keep me entertained until
I go back, so I'll just watch.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
So they were saying these little rhymes like how.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Many hippos make the hopscotch or you know, they just
didn't make any sense.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
And then one of them got closer and bigger, and
the face filled in solid and it was saying, what
is your name? How manys? And I remembered, oh man,
I'm in the world. Oh no, this is.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Terrible, and I thought, I know what he wants me
to do, but it's so stupid.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
I'm not gonna do that. He wants me to make
that burpy air.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Stuff come out and move that loafy thing and supposed
to make these sounds. And I'm in the meat puppet
and I'm not having it. But then what are you
going to do? So my old desire to please came back,
and I said Luisa, And I was back in the world,
and I realized all the stick figures with people, and
I had sweat like a pool, and I thought that
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someone throwing water all over me. I was soaking wet.
They asked me if I could stand up. I was
like a child. I thought something really fun and silly
had happened.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
But everybody was staring at me. I didn't understand. I died.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
We'll be right back with more of Louis's and near
death experience. You're listening to Shades of the Air Afterlife
on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
Let's continue with Louisa's story from flatlining in a nightclub
to the after effects that have her believing.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Seemed like we all went upstairs and we all went
out on the street we were on in the village,
and we sat down on this bench, and this man
came over and he said, you were dead. You were
gone for three minutes, and I was doing CPR on
you that whole time. So I asked my friend, I said,
what are we waiting for? He said an ambulance.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
I'm like, okay, And then I'm like, wait a second,
who's it for. It's for you? You were dead, And
so my brain started to work again.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
I thought, okay, ambulance means hospital means parents find out
that I was doing cocaine, means a whole lot of trouble.
And there were a bunch of cabs right in front
of us. I said, can we just go? And so
he didn't want to get in trouble either, so we
just kind of jumped in a cab. I remember a
bunch of people chased after us, like hey, hey, and
we just took.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Off and I never saw a doctor. When we got
back to.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
My apartment where I left in my roommate, I wanted
a drink and they wouldn't let me have one.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
I was really ticked off about that.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
In the morning, when I woke up, I remembered the
whole thing, and I remembered that feeling of being loved
so much. I told my roommate the whole story. But
I was a really intense atheist. I I had written
my senior thesis at Vassa about the advent of modernism
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and how the Anglican Church had fallen.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
People had finally awoken to the mythical nature of.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
God, and anybody who's believed in God talked about God.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
It just kissed me. Ah. We discovered I had some
brain damage. I wasn't concerned. I was brain damage, main damage, whatever.
Then I wrote the whole thing down in a journal.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
I read it aloud over the phone to my sister,
like this crazy drug trip. And then I eventually got
with that boyfriend, and I also read it to him
over the phone.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
I would not ask them to believe that I really
went anywhere.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
I only told the story as just an example of
an amazing hallucination I had with cocaine.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
I kept it like that for a long time. I
would have left it.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
There was just this weird thing that happened to me
that had no meaning because I'd never heard of a
near death experience.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
I'd never heard of white.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Light, except that paranormal after effects started to happen to me.
And a lot of people don't know that there are
paranormal after effects that come with an NDE.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Something has been ruptured so that you get.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
New awarenesses of energy that you didn't have before. I
may have missed stuff or denied stuff that happened. Was
five years before my first weird thing happened. I've since
written my autobiography, and so I enumerated the number of
weird things that happened that gradually broke down my atheism,
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or fourteen weird things. So the first weird thing doesn't
happen till nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
And it was a whopper. I was on the.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Beach at Gloucester in Massachusetts early in the morning, in
the middle of a storm, and there was some romance
thing that wasn't worth looking out for me at this
party I had gone to. So I went out in
the storm alone in the morning, and I'm walking along
the beach and this old man comes out of these
dunes where there's no houses, there's no nothing. I'm like,
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wonder what he was doing in there because there's no
development there. And he's also wearing all this vintage fisherman gear.
I'm like, wow, I wonder where he got that old stuff.
And I'm all into vintage clothes, so I'm just gonna say,
I really like your rain gear.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
We get closer and closer. He doesn't look at me.
He doesn't look at me. He doesn't look at me.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
He crosses right in front of me, and right when
he's there, I say, how's it going, And he didn't
look at me.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
He moves his eye a little bit. They're kind of.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Bloodshot, and he moves it a little, but he just
keeps walking. So I guess kept walking and I got
all the ways and I thought, you know what a
jerk man, what a high school thing.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
To like, not even say hy, not even look at me?
What is up with him? So I turned around to
look and he wasn't there.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
And I spent some time trying to figure out if
he had dove into the waves, and wouldn't his hat
at least come up, wouldn't there be some sign?
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Eventually I said, okay, I'm going to figure this out.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I went back and I looked for tracks, and there
were only my tracks.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
I freaked out and I looked.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
For as long as I could look until it was
really clear there's only my tracks, only my tread, only me.
And then I went back to the house and people
were starting to wake up from the debauchery of the
night before, and my friend, who owned.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
The house, she said, oh man, this ghosts all over Gloucester.
You just saw a Gloucester ghost. There's like a thousand names.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Down at the wharf of fishermen who died at sea,
and he had been staring out at the horizon like
he was looking for a ship. But I just wasn't
having it. It could not have been a ghost. There
has to be an explanation. So I made my boyfriend
come and look for me, he was actually I guess
my husband then no tracks, and so there's two things.
You know, everybody's thinking you're crazy. You know you saw
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what you saw, and you know you cannot explain it,
so it goes in the vault. John didn't happen. The
next weird thing came. How many years later? That was
nineteen eighty seven. There would be nineteen ninety three, a
long time again. My brother and his wife were expecting
a baby, and I knew the baby was going to die.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
I knew that my.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Brother would have intense grief. It would be because his
son had died. So I was waiting for a miscarriage.
Miscarriage didn't happen. We met for lunch a few days
before the baby was born, and the feeling was so strong,
and I thought, this is more than pessimism, This is
more than mari. This is like, I know his pain
is going to be intense. Do I say something?
Speaker 5 (19:49):
What do you say? Do you say your baby's going
to die? I don't know when, I don't know how,
but bohere are you going to be bummed?
Speaker 4 (19:54):
I mean, what do you say? So I said nothing.
When he called me. You didn't even have to say
what had happened, And the feeling I had was this
tremendous guilt. Not that I hadn't seen anything, but my
mind was blown.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Away by the fact that I had known.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Rather than just grieving for my brother, all I wanted
to feel was grief for the baby.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
But you feel this, Oh my god, I knew it
and it happened.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
So all this time, I'm an alcoholic and I'm trying
to be like my father. I'm a successful teacher and
so forth, but I'm also drinking. But eventually I did
hit bottom and there were more weird things around that
drove extremely drunk one night, and when I got home
and I was kind of like reveling the fact that
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I was such a great drunk driver and I'd gotten home,
something hit me like a thought taser, and it said,
this is the last time I can help you. And
I heard it and it took away all my revelry
and it just made me look at what I was doing.
Another one of those came when I was very close
to relapsing. I would be thinking one thing, I would
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be in one mood, and then zap, this different presence
would get me. I did get sober, and I went
to a twelve step group and they had steps on
the wall. We got in and I was still an
atheist in spite of what had happened. I was like,
I'm not doing those things we got in. I'm having
nothing to do with it. People in the program would
talk about God and I'd be.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Like, shut up, I hate that stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Even though I knew in my vaulted part of me
that there was a God in at some part of
it spoken to me. The weird things kept coming, and
they were so undeniable. The greatest one was around my
sister's death. I actually helped my sister cross over. She
was dying of breast cancer. They had told us she
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had two weeks to live. I was waiting in the
hospital room and a voice said to me, tell her
about the light.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
She's afraid. I was like no, And when I'd.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Closed my eyes, I could feel the light starting to
fill the room. I could feel the light starting to
pool around her body. And I'd opened my eyes and
look and these eyes didn't see anything, and I'd be
there's nothing there, and she's going.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
To live two weeks.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
And it just kept building until finally I was like, Okay,
I'll do it, and so I went to her and
I knelt down by her, and I described the light
as I remembered it.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
I said, it'll be all around you. She believed in Jesus,
so I said, Jesus will be with you. You'll go
with him, You'll be unfolded in his love, and you'll
know so much happiness. She wasn't conscious, but she had
told me in a previous phone call that she could hear,
even under the morphine, every word people said.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
So I just went with it.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
And when I was done, I went and I sat down,
and then twenty minutes later, she hemorrhaged and she died.
At first, when she hemorrhaged, my brother and I were
freaking out. We were running all over the place trying
to get help. When the doctor said she's died. Her
heart is still beating, but it'll stop. I wanted to
kill the doctor. And then something came from outside and
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it was my sister, and she was saying, I'm fine,
I'm great, and then I began to feel her hovering
in the hospital room. Now by this time, it's nineteen
ninety seven. I've seen the movie Ghosts. I've heard of
white light experiences and I've heard of out of body experiences,
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and I've.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Heard of people hovering.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
All this stuff is in popular culture, and I don't
believe in popular culture. Yet my sister is hovering, and
I can feel her telling me that she's fine, loving
us all with that same kind of love, and she
filled me with it.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
She filled me with the light again.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
And so how inappropriate is that to be in the
hospital room where your sister just died and you're filled
with joy because she's filled with joy. I couldn't tell anyone.
When we got home to her house where the family was.
My sister met me at the door, and I wanted
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to tell her so much, and I was still just
filled up with this jubilation that she was with God
and that I was sort of with God right now too.
When I went home and I realized what had happened,
that's when I got that God is here all the time.
And that's when the vault opened and all this stuff
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I let it be. I remember crying and praying and saying,
you know you're here, You're.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Here, I know you're here. I began to just pray.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
I don't believe that God is anything that religion has
represented it to be. I don't call it a he.
I don't call it a she. The closest I think
we have asn't they, because I believe we all have
guardian angels, and that God is this network of energy
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outside of bodies, a network of energy that's all interconnected.
Life is an energy that can either be invested in
matter or it can be out in the world. And
that's when my life began to change.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
We'll take a quick break and we'll be back and
hear a few more words from Louisa, and here from
the spirit world about addiction. You're listening to Shades of
the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.
(25:57):
I'm Sandra Champlain. I want to play a few more
minutes of Louisa, she's now in recovery eighteen years, and
then we'll hear from the spirit world on addiction.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
I'd been in a twelve step program and you were
supposed to help others, but I didn't really feel comfortable
helping others.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
It had been some barrier and that broke.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
On a specific day, there was a guy I was
obsessed with but he was also in the program, and
he was trying to teach me a different way to live.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
After a meeting one day.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I tried to stalk him to a place to eat.
He kept inviting people to come sit at our table,
and he left at some point.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
I didn't even notice. I was having so much fun.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
And when I left the restaurant alone, I said, God,
I'm having trouble with this obsession thing. I really don't
want it. Can you teach me a different way to live?
And I said, I'll make a deal with you. Got
every time somebody annoys me at a meeting, I will
go up to them right after the meeting and I
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will stick out my hand and I'll say I'm Luisa,
and I'll find out three things about them. And if
I do this, you take away mer obsession. And that's
what happened. For a long time. I'd go to meetings
and people would talk and they'd annoy me, and I'd be, Oh,
I have to go learn three things about her that
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would become my friend.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Another person.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
You know, it talks, that's all people who do stuff
I do do stuff I do. It annoys me. Then
when I meet them, we're just the same until we
get along or there's some aspect of us is the same.
So I went from being in this twelve step program
for so many years with only a small group of
friends to knowing everyone and having hundreds of friends and
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being able to help people and getting sponsores. And I
began to get that God happens when I love you,
That God happens in every connection between people, even the
slightest kindness.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
So I began to actually cultivate kindness. It's not that hard,
it's not that baky.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
It's not like can I say, you know, It's like
every person I crossed paths with, I can use that
for an opportunity to generate a little bit of God.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
If I leave them.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
A little happier than I encountered them, I'm doing what
I'm here for. Three and a half weeks ago, I
got a diagnosis of breast cancer. And I had had
a party plan for my eighteen years sober, and all
my friends came. When I discovered I was holdly I
have to have a lumpectomy instead of a mass sectomy.
I made it an eighteen years sober and keep my
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boob party. So like sixty friends from the program, showed
up and they were singing Happy Birthday to me, and
I have really embarrassed all these people everyone's singing to me.
And then one of those voices came and it said,
you know, these people love you.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
You couldn't be more safe. Just love and be loved,
and so I let go of my self consciousness.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Lots of good advice in there, including cultivate kindness, love
and be loved, and that includes being loving to oneself.
Louisa put her autobiography together, which is now a book
called Diehard Atheist. If you're a longtime listener, you know
many fridays I host something called in the Arms of Eternity,
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which is a healing and trance medium demonstration with Scott Milligan.
The voice you're about to hear is through trance speaking.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
This is a.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Gentleman I've known for eight years named mister Eric, who
passed at the end of the eighteen hundreds. This is
a question that was asked about addiction and if it
accompanies us to the afterlife. The question is, Eric, do
we take problems of addiction with us to the afterlife
If we don't deal with those issues here on this
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side of the veil, there seems to be a strong
spiritual component to issues such as substance abuse.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
You well, I must say to you bit the addiction
is with the physical body because what it jests then
releases chemicals that brings pleasure to it or causes it
to destroy itself. You will bring the memory with you.
It is a memory if you wish to carry, or
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you may disregard. Because, my friend, if someone is crippled
with addiction, and when we look at this word addiction,
many of us think straight away of what can be ingested.
But love can be addiction, Fascination can be addiction. But
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if you are talking about substance that can be ingested
that destroys the lives of other people around them, then
let us keep upon this topic. If it is the
body that has fallen in love with this chemical that
brings the soul and experience, then it will continue until
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the mortel death. Sometimes people are strong enough to be
taken away from that environment so that they know what
it was before they knew of that product. The soul
has come to the earth to find identity, but to
experience emotion and all capacity along the way. As we
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have said numerous times that the young man the one
we use seems to take offency with the devil's brew
alcohol that I myself was told it was against my
religious understandings. For I myself in prayer and of course
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doing my communion, and of course my duty would find
the Holy Spirit. My faith was the addiction that caused
me to become twisted and bitter against other people that
may choose a different path, That have I not already
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shown that I myself have changed my way. Many people
that come to our side of life that had burden,
the weight of burden is removed from them. But if
they wish and motivate themselves to be a guiding thought
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to someone here upon earth that may be following in
foots steps, then they themselves will try to inspire and
to intervene. Many civilizations have used natural remedies to commune
with the soul called dead, moving away from control to
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lose control. These individuals have gained this knowledge that has
been passed from generation to generation, and therefore their bodies
will react in the most perfect manner. But then others
have chosen to try to ingest what the body itself
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cannot hold, and therefore their reaction will be different. Will
it make them more spiritual, well, only you can decide.
Does it make them more alien to their kinship? Then
yes it does. It is a terrible thing, you know,
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when you see someone who you care for begin to
fade from view, even though they physically stand there. You
can see that the light of who they are is
slowly leaving them, leaving the physical body as they begin
to walk between the two worlds, and then all of
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a sudden they find both feet in our reality. Once again.
Those in my world are more confident, more capable, more understanding,
will be called to service as we are called to
then give healing and love to those who are left behind.
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You will see within your modern world that those things
will become alreadily available due to the poison of the
very thing that is allowing my words to be carried
to your residence. We have also seen the addiction of
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young minds to technology, but also begins to poison. Allows
the body to not move so fluid. That causes then
the joints to see, the bones to weaken, the organs
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to become heavy. So in some way, it is a
fine knife that will cut through Your world has become
dependent upon this modern technology, and we within the world
that awaits you are using the very thing for our
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world to continue to talk with you. The younger minds
of your world are falling more dependent upon this technology
through the Devil's box of your televisions. Show how accessible
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it is, how glitter and glad that everyone must have it.
Surely it is better to have someone without it and
say I am not following the herd, I being my
own person. We should all learn to love one another out,
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my friends. Everyone must make a choice. It is up
to you if you wish, but you will not carry
it within our reality. You'll carry the knowledge that will
benefit the minds of Manday, but what is not important
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will fail away and you'll never hear or speak of
it again.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
If you're dealing with addiction yourself or have a loved
one who is dealing with addiction, there is help out there.
One of the most important things to do is to
realize what's in your control and what's out of your control.
Do as much research as you can on how the
brain operates, give yourself some compassion for what you're dealing with,
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and please reach out to others to help. We human
beings need others, don't we And it's much easier going
through something together than alone. We're going to head into
our next break and when we come back, we'll hear
more from mister Eric on another tough subject. This one
is if someone close to you is no longer speaking
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to you, how we survive that and what it's like
to over into the afterlife. You're listening to Shades of
the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.
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I'm Sandra Champlain. Did you know that one in three
people are not talking to a loved one could be
no fault of your own. Just recently, this question was asked.
If you have an only son who has abandoned his
parents who have done everything for him, how can you
heal and not cry every single day? Thank you?
Speaker 1 (38:53):
One must understand that any patron will know there are
times of trapal and time times of celebration. You are
poured into the child all that they can, all the
knowledge you wish to share, but sometimes they must find
their own way. I have inspired the one we love
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to see a grievance like walk in a circle. You
start next to each other and as you walk the
path of a circle, one goes left, other right. You
can see them, but again they feel so different to you.
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But there will come a point where you've seen that
your oceans are path. But walking a path of the
circle begins together, walks away, and then finally walks towards.
You cannot blame yourself if you have taught all that
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you could, all that you must. And of course, sometimes
you don't want history to repeat itself. Any parent wants
a child to go further than themselves. You can give
them the tools, show them the way that they may
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wield the hammer differently. Sometimes being a good parent is
learning that you must let go. A bird that typically
flies its nest may fly to see the.
Speaker 7 (40:44):
World that carried within their heart will always be a
memory when they knew of love. One has just reminded
me in the times of your distress, close your eyes,
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don't speak of our world.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Talk to the soul of the child.
Speaker 8 (41:13):
In your mind, and say, I may not know where
you are, I may not have heard your voice.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Things may have been said in reaction, but I still
love you, and the door of my heart will remain open.
Fill me, hear me, And if you wish come back
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to me. For everyone who hears these words, I ask
a question, have you heard of absent healing? If you have,
are you convinced it can work? Are you convinced it
has a benev it? If the answer is yes, then
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why do we question how a soul can talk to
another soul called to them. It may take a moment,
like an echo, doesn't respond straight away. But I ask
of you you yourself also need healing, or you are
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experiencing grief, but in a different capacity, So you yourself
must also forgive yourself. A parent is there to be
a guide in light. Your light can only be bright
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if you can truly take a deep breath in and
forgive yourself. The thing is my friend, and for all
who hear his words. When you were younger, you made
your decisions. Your child is only doing what you have done,
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but their reaction is different. You will be the guiding
like they are the ships that sails. Wish them well,
appease to their soul, and we pray that you hear
their voice, be it through the wireless or by telegram,
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for you to realize then the purpose now is to heal.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Relationships are so very difficult, but this is the best
advice I've heard in a long time, is to talk
to the person's soul, maybe even just write a letter,
to get your thoughts and your emotions out, and keep
that conversation going, even if it feels one sided, and
trust that their soul is receiving the information. Next, I'd
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like to play for you, mister Eric, talking about what
it's like when our bodies die and we cross that
bridge to the afterlife.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
The stream in which all of you will cross is
merely a stream, the stream that carries you from one
state to a new For when your eyes dim and
close for its final list, you see all those who
you have loved, all those who you may have forgotten,
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you'll instantly recognize and remember. For any family members that
have loved animals, the animals will be there to meet.
Familiar faces of family will be there, smothering you with
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love and the celebration that you have lived your life
and the world has served it's benign purpose. But I
myself saw the sweet features of my dear wife as
my body failed, I believed I was going to God's kingdom.
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As I closed my eyes from fear, I found peace,
and I saw my wife into her arms of a
strongest embrace that I have ever done. And I realized
then that the pinch of pain was no more. And
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as I have observed many who have come and stepped
across the stream, no one has ever fallen or been
washed away. It is a simple step that will change
your view for eternity, that the world in which you
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have loved is merely a step upon progress. The pain
that one may feel is washed away. They take a
deep breath in as truly this world takes your breath
away and is replaced with love and wonder. All answers
(46:42):
are found, all mysteries are sold. Grievances which merely be
a step can be resolved. Grievances that are cut deeply
are forgotten. But you'll never see the one that has
(47:03):
cut you. It is truly a sight that all of
you will witness. That you must be patient. But it
is the sweetest part of the sting of death. Death
(47:26):
is merely a word that has been placed for a
life that has lived now lives on. It is not
used for judgment, it is not used for punishment. It
is there as the basic fact that you are born
(47:49):
to be born again, not coming back to the world
in which you love in the manner where you are
at this moment, you live life after life. This world
in which you love is the shortest part of the journey,
(48:11):
but in the shortest part can cause you such pain
and sorrow, it can also cranch you much joy and happiness.
In this short part. Many may see war and suffering,
(48:34):
or find heaven, find environment which is imbarren, or find
life all around. But this short step is a step
that all must take. No matter how long or shot
(48:55):
you draw breath. You are here only for a moment.
Treated kindly, but a short life can leave such impact
that is felt beyond your years.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
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