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Ready to be amazed by the wizard of weird. This
is Strange Warren. I am Joshua BE Warren, and each
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do at home, and a lot more on this edition
of the show. Is this a rung of hell? By this,
I'm talking about this world that you and I are
living in right now, this particular realm. Now I understand
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immediately some clarification is necessary because I don't know if
you realize this, but when you listen to this podcast,
I can hear your thoughts telepathically and I know some
of you are bothered by me even asking that question,
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what do you mean is this a rung of hell?
Because I, as you know, am a big proponent of
thinking positively and trying to manifest good things. And you
might say, well, if you start telling people that this
could be a rung of hell, they're going to get
really depressed and then things are going to start going
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poorly for them. No, no, no, no again, let me explain
what I mean here, because that is absolutely true. If
you start looking at your life as a good thing
or a bad thing, if you're an optimist or a pessimist,
then you will actually start creating these reactions that will
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manifest the way you are thinking. And I know when
it comes to stuff like positive thinking and law of attraction,
there are people who are like, oh, come on, don't
give me that hippie new age woo woo stuff. But
it's not. It's not, and it's because it works because
of self fulfilling prophecies. I actually did a whole show
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about self fulfilling prophecies I don't have in front of me,
which a number of the show that was what episode.
But the idea is that when you start believing something.
If you make up your mind about how something is
likely to turn out good or bad, well, then that
starts to affect the way you behave and then this
starts to affect the actions that you take, and the
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actions that you take lead to real, tangible results. And
so that is the most basic form of manifestation. Now,
rituals and wands and metaphysical tools and things like that
can help you with this process, help you keep your
mind in the right place, but ultimately it's about using
the force. And this is something that comes from within you,
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from within your mind, your spirit, your soul. So I
definitely would never try to say anything that would start
making you question whether or not you should feel positively
or negatively about life. That is a philosophical question. That
is a philosophical question. I'm not talking about that. I'm
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talking about this in the literal sense. Is there literally
a reason to believe that, according to various belief systems,
that if interpreted a certain way, that this might actually
be a version of hell that we are in. We
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are in the midst of it. And I'm going to
explain to you why that I asked this question. For
one thing, you know, my mom and dad were both
raised in western North Carolina in the mountains. Both had
big families. My dad was one of seven kids. My
mother was one of ten children. My mother was the youngest,
and there was a lot of drama in the family,
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and that is often the case with big families, especially
if you consider the age of everybody and how that
you know, the Great Depression made a big impact on people. Anyway,
my mom had a sister named Paula, so this would
be my aunt, and of course my mom and Paula
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were very, very close. They spent a lot of time
with each other. They talked on the phone all the time.
And Paula had a lot of really kind of tragic
things that happened to her throughout her life, and she
lived to be a fairly old lady. But towards the end,
I mean, all the stress for these things had taken
a toll on her mentally, and my mom would say
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that Paula was convinced that we are currently living in
a rung of hell, that we are just not capable
of wrapping our minds around it. And the reason she
felt that way was because, well, if you look at
it very logically, everybody here gets to suffer. And and again,
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I don't want you to take this the wrong way.
I'm not trying to depress you, but I just let's
be realistic here for a moment. It doesn't matter if
you believe that there is no god. Let's just say
you are an atheist. You don't believe in anything other
than your personal experience. When you die, it's lights out,
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your worm food, that's the end. If you believe that,
well fine, but you still get to suffer. And if
you don't believe that, if you believe that there are
divine spiritual leaders, if you believe somebody like Jesus Christ
was a perfect person, a living God among us, well
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guess what even he had to suffer here in this realm,
suffer horribly. So a place where everybody gets to suffer
to some degree kind of sounds like the opposite of paradise,
doesn't it. And isn't that kind of what hell is
supposed to be. I mean, it's sort of an all
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or nothing proposition in a way. It's like either you
get a utopia where everything is positive and you don't
have to feel any pain and all that, or you
do get it to some degree, and maybe it's a
matter of these degrees. I have never I have never
studied seriously studied Buddhism, but I know that the Buddha
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talked a lot about this concept of suffering being the
key to understanding the meaning of life by the way,
Buddha means enlightened one or nowhere fascinating story about Buddha.
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You know, he grew up rich as a prince and
his wonderful, luxurious, sheltered life behind the gates of the palace,
and then and that was what he sort of believed
life was like for everybody. And then of course he
got old enough to go out into the town and
sort of disguise himself and see how everybody else was living,
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and it shocked him. But anyway, Buddha said, we all
have to suffer, and that the root of suffering is attachment,
our attachment to this world. In fact, he talked about
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what he called the four noble truths. And here is
kind of in a nutshell what they are, Buddha's four
noble truths. And there is of course a proper pronunciation
for these. I'm not going to try that out. But
the first one is basically, nothing is forever and that
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is painful. I mean, that's a very simple thing. It's
hard to argue that is not true, right, How would
you argue against that? That nothing is forever and that
is painful. Next, that, together with this transient world and
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its pain, there is also thirst, craving for, and attachment
to this transient, unsatisfactory existence. So he's sang right off
the bat, nothing is forever, and yet we are we
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crave this thing that's impossible to attain because we're attached
to this thing that's that's not gonna be around forever.
The next is the attachment to this transient world and
its pain can be severed or contained by confining or
letting go of this craving. Interesting, what wouldn't that be
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nice if you could just completely accept that this tendency
to be attached to your world is is theological. And
then lastly, of the four Noble truths is that the
the the there's a path leading to the confinement of
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this desire and attachment and the release. And that's a
separate thing called the Noble Eightfold path. And we won't
get into that because that gets into how you might
practice with some of his ideas. And you know, Uh.
Last year, I saw terrible flooding just devastate large portions
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of western North Carolina where I grew up, and people
were shocked. They just had no idea that that quickly
in West North Carolina, all of a sudden, this massive
flood could come through and destroy things. And now look
what has happened with these people in California who lost
their homes in the fire. I mean, it's earth shattering.
It's a reminder of the reality of what I'm telling you.
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We have to take a break. When we come back
from this break, I'm going to explore this a little
bit more deeply. Well what supposedly is hell in a
literal sense? And I'm going to also read to you
something that one of the world's most famous scientists said
about this. And it's just something interesting for us to
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think about because no matter who you are, no matter
what you believe, we all have this in common. But
how realistic is this idea? And is there actually something
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Welcome back to Strange Things on the iHeart Radio and
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your host, the Wizard of Weird, beaming into your wormhole
brain from my studio in Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada,
where every day is golden and every night is silver.
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Giatanto zume And uh you know, I hate to uh
hate to remind you, but no matter how great or
how sad your life may be, in your opinion. Well,
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in the end we know how the story. The story
ends here we all die. We all die. Now that
I know you're thinking, gosh, this is not a very
positive show. Josh, you're depressing me. I mean, no, wait,
there is a silver lining here. There is a light
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at the end of this tunnel, and I'm going to
try to work my way there. And I'm definitely you know,
I'm not a minister. I'm not here to preach you
and tell you I have all the answers. I'm just
asking questions, and I'm thinking about the tradition that we've
received from all these different religions and spiritual philosophies that
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have basically tried to make sense out of the meaning
of life and what this thing that we sometimes call
hell might be all about. And you know you've heard
me say before. I'm one of my good friends, Bill Banner.
I knew him for years. I was in my twenties
when I met him, and at that time, I guess
he was probably in his seventies, and so we had
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what you might think I was an unlikely friendship, but
I tell you he was one of my best friends.
I used to go over to his house all the time,
we used to hang out, eat pizza and drink beer,
and he it was just like hanging out with another
guy my age. But Bill Banner, he said that the
thing that is the worst about living to be an
old man is that you get to watch so many
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people that you love die. There's nothing you can do
about that. So there's always going you know, even if
you eat your veggies and your exercise and you're blessed
with good health and you live a long life, and
you're still going to have sadness in it. It's inevitable.
But if we sit down, we look at like, Okay,
what is the textbook deaf definition of this thing called hell? Anyway, Well,
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here's what we get from the Almighty Wikipedia. In religion
and folklore, hell is a location or state in the
afterlife in which souls are subjected to punitive suffering, most
often through torture, as punishment after death. Now, right off
the bat, I'm not sure that you can say that's
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an accurate description, because they're saying it's a state in
the afterlife, and I'm raising the question of is it,
you know, if is it possible that after life is
a point of view that in other words, if you
have an immortal spirit, then your spirit has always been around.
Your spirit's always going to go around. So this might
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be the after life that you're in right now compared
to the life that you were in before, the state
that you were in. But anyway, religions with a linear
divine history a depict hells as eternal destinations, the biggest
examples of which are Christianity and Islam, Whereas religions with
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reincarnation usually depict a hell as an intermediary period between incarnations,
as is the case in Indian religions. Religions typically locate
hell in another dimension or under Earth's surface. Other afterlife
destinations include heaven, Paradise, purgatory, limbo, and the underworld. Okay,
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I think we all know what we're talking about here.
One thing, though, that is, I've always thought this is fascinating.
I've heard historians say that in the Bible, and I
have to talk about the Bible because I was raised up,
you know, as in the Southern Baptists tradition, that's my
background growing up in North Carolina. Scholars have said that
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you know, when you hear hell referred to with the
Bible all the time, that may actually be excuse me,
it may actually be a little bit less of an
intangible thing than a comparison to a literal spot. In
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ancient Jerusalem, there is a place there called Gehenna, and
in the context of the Bible, the concept of Hell
is often associated with Gehanna. This was a valley. This
is a physical valley outside of ancient Jerusalem that was
used as a garbage dump where trash was constantly burning,
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making it a metaphor for a place of eternal punishment.
So in that sense, if that's the case, you could
say that when they're talking about Hell, and instead of
them talking about it as being some place that's like
a prison that you go to or all these terrible
things happen, that it was actually just a symbolic a
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symbolic way of describing the conditions associated with this burning
trash dump. So this is a symbolic interpretation. Yeah, Gahinna
says The exact location is disputed, but the Hebrew Bible
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refers to the valley as valley of the son of Hinhim.
And then the name was could contract it into Gahinam,
and then finally some ghem in which means hell. So
maybe we are totally out of line when we're talking
talking about the idea of hell as being some kind
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of a supernatural place as much as it is about
repercussions that are going to cause you eternal suffering because
you don't have a time machine yet. And that's why
when somebody gets like, let's say somebody has a family
member that gets murdered and then the murderer finally goes
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to prison, and they in these reporters, they'll go to
the family and say, oh, so are you Are you
satisfied now that the murderer is in prison, and they go, well, yeah,
but that's still not going to bring my loved one back.
There are certain things that you do in life that
have eternal repercussions, at least in terms of this particular life,
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and so we have to ask, you know, how literally
are we talking about this? But if Hell may not
necessarily be one particular ultimate place where everybody who's bad goes,
it's like you either make the cut or you don't.
It's like, if you had not told that one extra lie,
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you wouldn't have had to go to Hell. But now
that you did that, well, you get thrown right in
there with Hitler. It was, of course Dante who wrote
the Divine, the Divine comedy, Dante's Inferno. See when did
he write that? I know it was in the Middle Ages.
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It been nice to have a computer write at your
fingertips these days sometimes is it gets okay? Published in
thirteen twenty one, he brought up this interesting idea about
there being circles of hell that you know, this this character,
it gets taken on this this tour. Dante gets taken
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on a tour of hell by Virgil, and there are
nine circles of Hell. And as he goes through these
different layers of hell, these are like different stories in
the prison of Hell, you know, like first floor or
second floor or third different things are going on, and
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the punishments there are somehow designed to be fitting for
the sin or the crime. So, for example, one of
the sins here the fourth circle, is devoted to those
who are in hell because of greed. And so for example,
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here in the fourth circle of Hell, Dante and Virgil
see the souls of people who are punished for greed.
They are divided into two groups, those who hoarded possessions
and those who lavishly spent, and they are seen in
hell as jousting with one another. They use great weights
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as a weapon, pushing it with their chests, which symbolizes
their selfish pursuit for wealth during their lifetime. Both groups
that are guarded by a character called Pluto, likely based
on the ancient Roman ruler of the underworld, says the
souls are so occupied with their actions that Dante and
Virgil do not even try to speak to them, and
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Dante notes that he sees many clergymen among them, including
cardinals and popes. So we have these these different circles
of hell. The first circle is limbo, the second is lust,
third is gluttony, the fourth one is greed, fifth is anger,
sixth is heresy, seventh is violence, eighth is fraud, and
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the ninth is treachery. But I've always thought that limbo
was particularly interesting. That's the very first one. The first
circle is limbo. And the idea is that these are
people who never committed to a belief, and so they
live eternally in this landscape, this kind of blank landscape
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where they never can go anywhere. You know, that's their
version of hell because they didn't make a commitment. And
that's scary, isn't it. See, that's truly worrisome. It reminds
me of that quote. I'm sure you've heard it before
that all that's necessary for evil men to thrive is
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that good men do nothing. And so you might think
by being complacent and not stirring the pot and letting
everybody mind their own business, that you're doing the right thing.
But what if what if it's like, no, you're supposed
to not just float along. You're supposed to go out
and actively do some good things, not just sit around
and not be committed and be neutral about everything. Well, okay,
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time for a break again, am you though? This scientist
said something, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you what he said,
and it's it's quite thought provoking. I'm josh wape Warren.
You're listening to Strange Things on the iHeart Radio and
Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I'll be
back after these important messages. Welcome back to Strange Things
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on the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Henormal
Podcast Network. I'm your host, Joshua pe Warren, and this
is a show where the unusual becomes usual. For many years,
I appeared on lots of TV shows, and I finally
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got to a point where I said, you know what,
I just I think I've had enough with TV. I
want to focus on other places, other types of art forms,
other types of media expression. And so I don't really
do television too much anymore. But back in twenty twelve,
I was a cast member on a TV series on
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the Travel Channel called Paranormal Paparazzi, and we had our
main studio in New York City. And I remember that
one day I was in the studio and one of
the producers had he stepped out for lunch or something
like that, and he came back in and he walked
in and he goes, Wow, I'm starstruck. He says. I
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don't usually get starstruck. But I was walking down the
street and I look over and I ran into Nil
de Crasse Tyson, Nil de grass Tyson. Surely you know
who he is, American astrophysicist, author, and science communicator. And
he's what. He was born in nineteen fifty eight, and
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since nineteen ninety six he has been the director of
the Hayden Planetarium at the Rose Center for Earth and
Space in New York City. The center is part of
the American Museum of Natural History, where Tyson founded the
Department of Astrophysics in nineteen ninety seven and has been
a research associate in the department since two thousand and three.
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You've seen him on TV. He's written a lot of books.
I mean, he is a very popular scientist who goes
on TV and goes on the radio. And I recently
found this interview that he Oh, excuse me. Sometimes when
I'm here in this desert and the air is so dry,
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this is wintertime right now, it's rough on my voice. Anyway,
I saw him being interviewed years ago by CBS, and
I would love to play the audio for you, but
I don't have the time to go contact CBS and
get permissions. So I asked my wife Lauren to do
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a transcript. The interviewer was sitting there with Nil de
Grass Tyson, and she says, do you believe in God
or a creator? And here's what he said. I'm just
going to read this verbatim. He answered me. The more
I look at the universe, the less convinced I am
that there is something benevolent going on. So if your
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concept of the creator is someone who's all powerful and
all good. That's not an uncommon pairing of powers that
you might ascribe to a creator all powerful and all good.
And I look at the disasters that afflict Earth and
life on Earth, volcanoes, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, disease, pestilence, congenital
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birth defects. You look at this list of ways that
life is made miserable on Earth by natural causes, and
I just think, how do you deal with that? So
philosophers rose up and said, if there is a God,
God is either not all powerful or not all good.
He goes on to say, I have no problem if,
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as we probe the origin of things, we bump up
into the bearded man, and if that shows up, we're
good to go. Okay, not a problem. There's just no
evidence of it. And this is why religions are called
faiths collectively, because you believe something in the absence of evidence,
and that's what it is. That's why it's called faith.
Otherwise we would call all religions evidence, but we don't
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for exactly that reason. So, given what everyone describes to
be properties that would be expressed by an all powerful
being in the gods that they worship, I look for
that in the universe, and I don't find it, so
I remain unconvinced. But if you had some good evidence,
bring it great. And so I don't lead with that
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information because what I believe should be irrelevant to anyone.
It's not about me, it's about the real world. Now
that is That's the end of his statement. That's a
very articulate response to a question like that, just off
the cuff, and I understand exactly what he's talking about
from a scientific point of view, but at least he
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is trying to define and clarify things that Well, if
you mean God is some benevolent being, and he even
mentions the bearded man, if that's what you mean, an
all good being, well then it does necessarily makes sense,
does it. But if God is something that transcends the
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version of the bearded man, that God is a state
of balance, that God is a state of harmony that
can be achieved, well, then maybe the pain that we
are going through here is not because that God is
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not benevolent, but that we have brought problems on ourselves.
And this is a classroom. We are being punished for
things that we have done in the past. It's and
it also you know I can't help but think of
the book of Job. I've talked about this in the Bible,
where you know, and this is just a story, whether
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you believe it or not. The point is Job is
this wealthy, god fearing man with the comfortable life and
a large family. And God God asks Satan, well, what
do you think of Job here? And Satan says, ah,
Job would turn away from you if he were rendered
penniless and without his family and uncomfortable and diseased. And
so God allows the devil to do all these terrible
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things to Job to prove that even then Job will
not turn his back on God. There are different ways
of looking at all this. But if this is a classroom,
and if this is ultimately a temporary experience, experience and
you know, maybe you live to be one hundred years old,
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but still all things come to an end. If this
is a classroom, and yes, part of the lesson is
to suffer, because you get the character the stick. That's
pretty much how people learn things. Unfortunately, Well, the good
news is that even though you have to suffer as
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a part of this education at this rung of hell, well,
then that means that if you are in this classroom,
Then you are valuable. If you weren't valuable, you'd just
be trashed somewhere, or you'd be put into the ice,
you know, an absolute zero, you'd be sent off to
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the Phantom Realm and Superman. But no, if you are
here because this is a classroom, because this is a
rung of hell, and that means that you might be
able to learn from it and to escape it. You're
being given a chance to learn so that you can
have a better after life without suffering. Now is that
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the case? I don't know. I'm not here to tell
you that I have these answers. I don't do this
show because I have the answers to everything. I'm a
guy who's really good at bringing up questions and thinking
through them and taking you on the journey. But I'd
like to think that that's what's happening here, that it's
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certainly not paradise, that it is a wrung of hell,
which has good parts and bad parts. It's way worse
for some people than others. Most of my life is
really good, but nobody can say one hundred percent of
life is good. So you want to try to do
the best you can. What does that mean? I always
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talk about you know, it's hard to it's easy to
forget this, but and some people don't know what I'm
talking about. The golden rule. Do unto others as you
would have them do unto you. If you remember that,
I think you'll pass the test. Be good. And also,
do not preoccupy yourself with all of these temporary superficial attachments.
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You're wasting your time and energy if you elevate the
superficial too much. And it's trust me, it's hard for
me to overcome those feelings because I'm the kind of guy.
I'm a collector. I collect all kinds of useless things.
I owned a museum for God's sake. I have storage
units all over this country that are just so packed
with stuff. I'm gonna have to go sell a lot
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of it soon because it's like I have nothing to
do with this stuff. And just remember, you know, it's
very basic. Like they said, you can't take it with you.
I think there's you know, saying, you've never seen a
hearse towing a U haul trailer. Right, You've never seen
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a hearse towing the U haul trailer. So these are
just things to think about. Here's some other wisdom for you,
don't don't marry a lawyer, don't marry a reporter, don't
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date a hypnotist, and good luck hitting on your bank teller.
I didn't just make all that up, by the way.
That's that's advice I've picked up from friends over the years.
So is this a rung of hill You figure it
out for yourself. That's as far as I can take
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you on a podcast. But when we come back from
this break, I'm going to do something that's unusual for me.
I do not ordinarily play EVP. I'm talking audio recordings
that may be ghostly ghostly EVP on this show. I'm
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not a big proponent of EVP. But when we come back,
I am going to play for you an EVP that
you've never heard before, and I just want to see
what you think about it. The reason I'm going to
play it is because I know that it's authentic, because
I can stured it. And when we return, I'll explain
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to you where I captured it, what makes it special
beyond just being like, you know, somebody's stomach growling in
a dark room. But I can't, for the life of me,
I can't figure out what it says I have I
don't know, I might have an idea, but well, anyway,
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I'll explain. I'm going to play it for you here shortly.
I'm Joshua pe Warren and you're listening to Strange Things
all on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast I AM
Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be right back. Welcome
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back to the final segment of this edition of Strange
Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
Podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua P. Warren. And
even though I've been doing paranormal investigation and experimentation for
over thirty years, and trust me, I have heard a
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lot of so called ghostly audio EVP, you know, electronic
voice phenomena, I am not the guy that you want
to send that stuff to for analysis. And the reason
is I require some pretty stringent criteria to be met
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for me to take something like an audio recording seriously.
And that is because that well, it helps, for one thing,
if it actually is audio from a video, so there's
a visual component as well. But if you just send
me some audio clip, I don't know what the context was.
And also I'm not saying that you might be hoaxing it.
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I mean some people do hoax things, but also recorders
will just pick up normal noises that you can't hear
with your naked ear, and then you hear it and
you try to make sense out of it using you know, paradoia,
and so I just can't honestly do an analysis for you.
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It's just not my cup of tea when it comes
to audio clips alone. And if you do send me
something like that, then I will most likely forward it
to my friend Dean Warsing, because he does specialize in EVP.
He has even taught class as an instructor at a
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college on EVP. I'll just send it to Dean. If
you have something that you want to be analyzed, I
don't usually do that. I could sit here and talk
to you for a whole hour about how that it
is certainly possible that ghostly and paranormal stuff could be
captured on these devices, and you'd be impressed to hear
me give you my presentation. But I just can't analyze
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what you send me, because again, there's just too much
information that I need. But I got something the other
day that I thought was odd enough that maybe I
should share it with you. I live in a big house.
I have a lot of strange stuff all over the house.
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I avoid bringing things into the house that I think
are negative, but I do have some things that are
certainly haunted. One of them, of course, would be Kennedy
the Ventriloquist figure. I would even say that Art Bell's
alien statue Carvel. I currently have some haunted historic items,
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like a wheelchair of that Franklin D. Roosevelt used. I mean,
I have a lot of stuff, and it's sort of
spread around the house, but a lot of it is
in one certain area. And Lauren and I have this
little Chihuahua named Dolly, and she has seen it all.
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She's not one of those excitable dogs that just like
real nervous and jumpy. She doesn't bark at every little thing,
and we're very happy about that. And Dolly has, of
course has most dogs, this little bed that she loves
to sleep in. I do not allow dogs to come
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into my bedroom because I have allergies and I can't
stand that hair everywhere. I can't breathe. I don't sleep
with the dog. So when when Lauren and I turn in,
then the dog she has this cage with a bed
in it, and we leave the door open on the cage.
She doesn't have to be in there, but she likes
going in there because she has a little heating pad,
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and she likes to root around like a like a
gopher or something, and she likes to get under blankets.
She's one of those dogs likes to be covered covered up.
But you know, her her bed is in this cage
so that, like you know, if we have a workman
come over or something, then we can easily close up
the door and make sure that she doesn't run out
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and get into trouble. So she sleeps very peacefully in
this in this bed, in this cage. In late December
of twenty twenty four, I got an alert on my
phone because I have a state of the art security
system here at my house. I got an alert that
said person detected. Now we have this little camera that's
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on her bed that's pointed toward her, and her bed
is in the room that's right next to the room
that has Kennedy the haunted doll, and some of this
other haunted stuff. And I was a lot of times
I work at night and I sleep during the day.
This was about three o'clock in the afternoon, so it's
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broad daylight, and I see that there is a camera
that has that has pointed toward her, that has alerted,
and I was like, well, that's unusual because sometimes, you know,
she'll move around and set off the camera, but this says,
you know, person detected. And so I hit the button
to watch the video. And what happens is you hear
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this very distinctive noise, kind of a clicking sound, like
something is moved, and her head just shoots right out
from under her little blanket and she's looking at something
and then you hear this sound and she's looking right
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over at the room where all the spooky stuff is.
But here's the thing. I did not at that time
have a camera mounted where she is looking out at
her perspective, so I can't see what she's looking at.
All I know is she reacts to something that sounds like,
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you know, it's a physical object has moved in the room.
She didn't mark or anything, but like she's looking at it,
and then you hear this sound. So I don't know
what to make of this exactly. Here's what I'm gonna do.
First off, I'm going to play the raw audio recording
for you. It's only a few seconds long, and it's
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weird because you'll hear like this kind of clicky sound
like something's moving, and then it's almost like the audio
just drops for second, and then you'll hear of this
kind of whispery sound. Okay, I'm just gonna play this once,
so listen carefully. Here we go. Okay, I'm assuming you
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heard that little kind of creepy, whispery, whispery sound. I
don't want to call it a voice, but if you
missed it, now, I'm just going to play for you
that little whispery voice like sound, just isolated on its own. Okay,
listen again now. Of course, me being me, I took
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that thing and loaded it into my audio editing software
and I started playing around with it. I magnified certain
parts and listened to it. I sped it up and
listened to it. I slowed it down and listened to it.
I flipped it in all different ways. I used filters.
I'm still not sure what I mean. I kind of
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have a feeling I think I know what it says.
But listen to this. I'll just play for you one
variation of it here it is slowed down and I
want to say this has slowed down about fifty percent.
All that says is the isolated whispery voice thing, but
slowed down by about fifty percent. And I don't know.
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I find that this actually sounds quite unsettling. So give
this a listen. Well, there you go. What do you
think of that? I am only playing this for you
because that I know it's authentic because that I recorded it,
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and also because I have the video of the dog
reacting to something as if she's seeing something right there
in the room. Hopefully next time I'll have another camera
that we'll capture whatever she's looking at. But that seems
to happen a lot in the paranormal field. I think
that if you want to figure out if an EVP
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may have some legitimacy, your best bet is to walk
down the street and stop five strangers and play it
for them and don't tell them what you think it says,
and say what do you think this says? And if
they all tell you the same thing, you might have something.
But feel free to email me if you would like
to tell me what you think that quote unquote voice
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may or may not be saying, as you know, I
get so many messages it's impossible for me to read
them all. I mean to respond to them all, but
I do read them all. So just go to joshuap
Warren dot com and email me. Okay, quick, mental manner
before we wrap up. I've never been arrested, and I
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don't know exactly how that process works. Knock on wood,
but apparently a lot of people in prison, if they
behave they get to listen to an AM FM radio
and I get contacted sometimes by prisoners who say I
have something I need to talk to you about. And
I used to reply and say, okay, what is it?
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And then I stopped replying most of the time. And
Lauren said why, and I said, because everybody in prison
who contacts me after they've heard me on the radio,
they always want the same thing. She goes, what is that?
I said, they want to get out of prison. I'm
the guy with the wishing machine. They just want to
get out of prison, and I'm not in that business
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of helping you wish your way out of prison. Oh
my goodness. All right, my friends, you know what time
it is. If you can close your eyes, take a
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do at home, and a lot more on this edition
of the show. Is this a rung of hell? By this,
I'm talking about this world that you and I are
living in right now, this particular realm. Now I understand
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immediately some clarification is necessary because I don't know if
you realize this, but when you listen to this podcast,
I can hear your thoughts telepathically and I know some
of you are bothered by me even asking that question,
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what do you mean is this a rung of hell?
Because I, as you know, am a big proponent of
thinking positively and trying to manifest good things. And you
might say, well, if you start telling people that this
could be a rung of hell, they're going to get
really depressed and then things are going to start going
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poorly for them. No, no, no, no again, let me explain
what I mean here, because that is absolutely true. If
you start looking at your life as a good thing
or a bad thing, if you're an optimist or a pessimist,
then you will actually start creating these reactions that will
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manifest the way you are thinking. And I know when
it comes to stuff like positive thinking and law of attraction,
there are people who are like, oh, come on, don't
give me that hippie new age woo woo stuff. But
it's not. It's not, and it's because it works because
of self fulfilling prophecies. I actually did a whole show
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about self fulfilling prophecies I don't have in front of me,
which a number of the show that was what episode.
But the idea is that when you start believing something.
If you make up your mind about how something is
likely to turn out good or bad, well, then that
starts to affect the way you behave and then this
starts to affect the actions that you take, and the
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actions that you take lead to real, tangible results. And
so that is the most basic form of manifestation. Now,
rituals and wands and metaphysical tools and things like that
can help you with this process, help you keep your
mind in the right place, but ultimately it's about using
the force. And this is something that comes from within you,
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from within your mind, your spirit, your soul. So I
definitely would never try to say anything that would start
making you question whether or not you should feel positively
or negatively about life. That is a philosophical question. That
is a philosophical question. I'm not talking about that. I'm
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talking about this in the literal sense. Is there literally
a reason to believe that, according to various belief systems,
that if interpreted a certain way, that this might actually
be a version of hell that we are in. We
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are in the midst of it. And I'm going to
explain to you why that I asked this question. For
one thing, you know, my mom and dad were both
raised in western North Carolina in the mountains. Both had
big families. My dad was one of seven kids. My
mother was one of ten children. My mother was the youngest,
and there was a lot of drama in the family,
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and that is often the case with big families, especially
if you consider the age of everybody and how that
you know, the Great Depression made a big impact on people. Anyway,
my mom had a sister named Paula, so this would
be my aunt, and of course my mom and Paula
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were very, very close. They spent a lot of time
with each other. They talked on the phone all the time.
And Paula had a lot of really kind of tragic
things that happened to her throughout her life, and she
lived to be a fairly old lady. But towards the end,
I mean, all the stress for these things had taken
a toll on her mentally, and my mom would say
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that Paula was convinced that we are currently living in
a rung of hell, that we are just not capable
of wrapping our minds around it. And the reason she
felt that way was because, well, if you look at
it very logically, everybody here gets to suffer. And and again,
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I don't want you to take this the wrong way.
I'm not trying to depress you, but I just let's
be realistic here for a moment. It doesn't matter if
you believe that there is no god. Let's just say
you are an atheist. You don't believe in anything other
than your personal experience. When you die, it's lights out,
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your worm food, that's the end. If you believe that,
well fine, but you still get to suffer. And if
you don't believe that, if you believe that there are
divine spiritual leaders, if you believe somebody like Jesus Christ
was a perfect person, a living God among us, well
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guess what even he had to suffer here in this realm,
suffer horribly. So a place where everybody gets to suffer
to some degree kind of sounds like the opposite of paradise,
doesn't it. And isn't that kind of what hell is
supposed to be. I mean, it's sort of an all
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or nothing proposition in a way. It's like either you
get a utopia where everything is positive and you don't
have to feel any pain and all that, or you
do get it to some degree, and maybe it's a
matter of these degrees. I have never I have never
studied seriously studied Buddhism, but I know that the Buddha
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talked a lot about this concept of suffering being the
key to understanding the meaning of life by the way,
Buddha means enlightened one or nowhere fascinating story about Buddha.
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You know, he grew up rich as a prince and
his wonderful, luxurious, sheltered life behind the gates of the palace,
and then and that was what he sort of believed
life was like for everybody. And then of course he
got old enough to go out into the town and
sort of disguise himself and see how everybody else was living,
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and it shocked him. But anyway, Buddha said, we all
have to suffer, and that the root of suffering is attachment,
our attachment to this world. In fact, he talked about
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what he called the four noble truths. And here is
kind of in a nutshell what they are, Buddha's four
noble truths. And there is of course a proper pronunciation
for these. I'm not going to try that out. But
the first one is basically, nothing is forever and that
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is painful. I mean, that's a very simple thing. It's
hard to argue that is not true, right, How would
you argue against that? That nothing is forever and that
is painful. Next, that, together with this transient world and
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its pain, there is also thirst, craving for, and attachment
to this transient, unsatisfactory existence. So he's sang right off
the bat, nothing is forever, and yet we are we
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crave this thing that's impossible to attain because we're attached
to this thing that's that's not gonna be around forever.
The next is the attachment to this transient world and
its pain can be severed or contained by confining or
letting go of this craving. Interesting, what wouldn't that be
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nice if you could just completely accept that this tendency
to be attached to your world is is theological. And
then lastly, of the four Noble truths is that the
the the there's a path leading to the confinement of
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this desire and attachment and the release. And that's a
separate thing called the Noble Eightfold path. And we won't
get into that because that gets into how you might
practice with some of his ideas. And you know, Uh.
Last year, I saw terrible flooding just devastate large portions
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of western North Carolina where I grew up, and people
were shocked. They just had no idea that that quickly
in West North Carolina, all of a sudden, this massive
flood could come through and destroy things. And now look
what has happened with these people in California who lost
their homes in the fire. I mean, it's earth shattering.
It's a reminder of the reality of what I'm telling you.
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We have to take a break. When we come back
from this break, I'm going to explore this a little
bit more deeply. Well what supposedly is hell in a
literal sense? And I'm going to also read to you
something that one of the world's most famous scientists said
about this. And it's just something interesting for us to
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think about because no matter who you are, no matter
what you believe, we all have this in common. But
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Giatanto zume And uh you know, I hate to uh
hate to remind you, but no matter how great or
how sad your life may be, in your opinion. Well,
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in the end we know how the story. The story
ends here we all die. We all die. Now that
I know you're thinking, gosh, this is not a very
positive show. Josh, you're depressing me. I mean, no, wait,
there is a silver lining here. There is a light
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at the end of this tunnel, and I'm going to
try to work my way there. And I'm definitely you know,
I'm not a minister. I'm not here to preach you
and tell you I have all the answers. I'm just
asking questions, and I'm thinking about the tradition that we've
received from all these different religions and spiritual philosophies that
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have basically tried to make sense out of the meaning
of life and what this thing that we sometimes call
hell might be all about. And you know you've heard
me say before. I'm one of my good friends, Bill Banner.
I knew him for years. I was in my twenties
when I met him, and at that time, I guess
he was probably in his seventies, and so we had
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what you might think I was an unlikely friendship, but
I tell you he was one of my best friends.
I used to go over to his house all the time,
we used to hang out, eat pizza and drink beer,
and he it was just like hanging out with another
guy my age. But Bill Banner, he said that the
thing that is the worst about living to be an
old man is that you get to watch so many
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people that you love die. There's nothing you can do
about that. So there's always going you know, even if
you eat your veggies and your exercise and you're blessed
with good health and you live a long life, and
you're still going to have sadness in it. It's inevitable.
But if we sit down, we look at like, Okay,
what is the textbook deaf definition of this thing called hell? Anyway, Well,
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here's what we get from the Almighty Wikipedia. In religion
and folklore, hell is a location or state in the
afterlife in which souls are subjected to punitive suffering, most
often through torture, as punishment after death. Now, right off
the bat, I'm not sure that you can say that's
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an accurate description, because they're saying it's a state in
the afterlife, and I'm raising the question of is it,
you know, if is it possible that after life is
a point of view that in other words, if you
have an immortal spirit, then your spirit has always been around.
Your spirit's always going to go around. So this might
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be the after life that you're in right now compared
to the life that you were in before, the state
that you were in. But anyway, religions with a linear
divine history a depict hells as eternal destinations, the biggest
examples of which are Christianity and Islam, Whereas religions with
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reincarnation usually depict a hell as an intermediary period between incarnations,
as is the case in Indian religions. Religions typically locate
hell in another dimension or under Earth's surface. Other afterlife
destinations include heaven, Paradise, purgatory, limbo, and the underworld. Okay,
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I think we all know what we're talking about here.
One thing, though, that is, I've always thought this is fascinating.
I've heard historians say that in the Bible, and I
have to talk about the Bible because I was raised up,
you know, as in the Southern Baptists tradition, that's my
background growing up in North Carolina. Scholars have said that
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you know, when you hear hell referred to with the
Bible all the time, that may actually be excuse me,
it may actually be a little bit less of an
intangible thing than a comparison to a literal spot. In
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ancient Jerusalem, there is a place there called Gehenna, and
in the context of the Bible, the concept of Hell
is often associated with Gehanna. This was a valley. This
is a physical valley outside of ancient Jerusalem that was
used as a garbage dump where trash was constantly burning,
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making it a metaphor for a place of eternal punishment.
So in that sense, if that's the case, you could
say that when they're talking about Hell, and instead of
them talking about it as being some place that's like
a prison that you go to or all these terrible
things happen, that it was actually just a symbolic a
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symbolic way of describing the conditions associated with this burning
trash dump. So this is a symbolic interpretation. Yeah, Gahinna
says The exact location is disputed, but the Hebrew Bible
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refers to the valley as valley of the son of Hinhim.
And then the name was could contract it into Gahinam,
and then finally some ghem in which means hell. So
maybe we are totally out of line when we're talking
talking about the idea of hell as being some kind
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of a supernatural place as much as it is about
repercussions that are going to cause you eternal suffering because
you don't have a time machine yet. And that's why
when somebody gets like, let's say somebody has a family
member that gets murdered and then the murderer finally goes
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to prison, and they in these reporters, they'll go to
the family and say, oh, so are you Are you
satisfied now that the murderer is in prison, and they go, well, yeah,
but that's still not going to bring my loved one back.
There are certain things that you do in life that
have eternal repercussions, at least in terms of this particular life,
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and so we have to ask, you know, how literally
are we talking about this? But if Hell may not
necessarily be one particular ultimate place where everybody who's bad goes,
it's like you either make the cut or you don't.
It's like, if you had not told that one extra lie,
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you wouldn't have had to go to Hell. But now
that you did that, well, you get thrown right in
there with Hitler. It was, of course Dante who wrote
the Divine, the Divine comedy, Dante's Inferno. See when did
he write that? I know it was in the Middle Ages.
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It been nice to have a computer write at your
fingertips these days sometimes is it gets okay? Published in
thirteen twenty one, he brought up this interesting idea about
there being circles of hell that you know, this this character,
it gets taken on this this tour. Dante gets taken
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on a tour of hell by Virgil, and there are
nine circles of Hell. And as he goes through these
different layers of hell, these are like different stories in
the prison of Hell, you know, like first floor or
second floor or third different things are going on, and
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the punishments there are somehow designed to be fitting for
the sin or the crime. So, for example, one of
the sins here the fourth circle, is devoted to those
who are in hell because of greed. And so for example,
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here in the fourth circle of Hell, Dante and Virgil
see the souls of people who are punished for greed.
They are divided into two groups, those who hoarded possessions
and those who lavishly spent, and they are seen in
hell as jousting with one another. They use great weights
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as a weapon, pushing it with their chests, which symbolizes
their selfish pursuit for wealth during their lifetime. Both groups
that are guarded by a character called Pluto, likely based
on the ancient Roman ruler of the underworld, says the
souls are so occupied with their actions that Dante and
Virgil do not even try to speak to them, and
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Dante notes that he sees many clergymen among them, including
cardinals and popes. So we have these these different circles
of hell. The first circle is limbo, the second is lust,
third is gluttony, the fourth one is greed, fifth is anger,
sixth is heresy, seventh is violence, eighth is fraud, and
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the ninth is treachery. But I've always thought that limbo
was particularly interesting. That's the very first one. The first
circle is limbo. And the idea is that these are
people who never committed to a belief, and so they
live eternally in this landscape, this kind of blank landscape
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where they never can go anywhere. You know, that's their
version of hell because they didn't make a commitment. And
that's scary, isn't it. See, that's truly worrisome. It reminds
me of that quote. I'm sure you've heard it before
that all that's necessary for evil men to thrive is
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that good men do nothing. And so you might think
by being complacent and not stirring the pot and letting
everybody mind their own business, that you're doing the right thing.
But what if what if it's like, no, you're supposed
to not just float along. You're supposed to go out
and actively do some good things, not just sit around
and not be committed and be neutral about everything. Well, okay,
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time for a break again, am you though? This scientist
said something, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you what he said,
and it's it's quite thought provoking. I'm josh wape Warren.
You're listening to Strange Things on the iHeart Radio and
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I appeared on lots of TV shows, and I finally
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got to a point where I said, you know what,
I just I think I've had enough with TV. I
want to focus on other places, other types of art forms,
other types of media expression. And so I don't really
do television too much anymore. But back in twenty twelve,
I was a cast member on a TV series on
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the Travel Channel called Paranormal Paparazzi, and we had our
main studio in New York City. And I remember that
one day I was in the studio and one of
the producers had he stepped out for lunch or something
like that, and he came back in and he walked
in and he goes, Wow, I'm starstruck. He says. I
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don't usually get starstruck. But I was walking down the
street and I look over and I ran into Nil
de Crasse Tyson, Nil de grass Tyson. Surely you know
who he is, American astrophysicist, author, and science communicator. And
he's what. He was born in nineteen fifty eight, and
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since nineteen ninety six he has been the director of
the Hayden Planetarium at the Rose Center for Earth and
Space in New York City. The center is part of
the American Museum of Natural History, where Tyson founded the
Department of Astrophysics in nineteen ninety seven and has been
a research associate in the department since two thousand and three.
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You've seen him on TV. He's written a lot of books.
I mean, he is a very popular scientist who goes
on TV and goes on the radio. And I recently
found this interview that he Oh, excuse me. Sometimes when
I'm here in this desert and the air is so dry,
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this is wintertime right now, it's rough on my voice. Anyway,
I saw him being interviewed years ago by CBS, and
I would love to play the audio for you, but
I don't have the time to go contact CBS and
get permissions. So I asked my wife Lauren to do
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a transcript. The interviewer was sitting there with Nil de
Grass Tyson, and she says, do you believe in God
or a creator? And here's what he said. I'm just
going to read this verbatim. He answered me. The more
I look at the universe, the less convinced I am
that there is something benevolent going on. So if your
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concept of the creator is someone who's all powerful and
all good. That's not an uncommon pairing of powers that
you might ascribe to a creator all powerful and all good.
And I look at the disasters that afflict Earth and
life on Earth, volcanoes, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, disease, pestilence, congenital
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birth defects. You look at this list of ways that
life is made miserable on Earth by natural causes, and
I just think, how do you deal with that? So
philosophers rose up and said, if there is a God,
God is either not all powerful or not all good.
He goes on to say, I have no problem if,
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as we probe the origin of things, we bump up
into the bearded man, and if that shows up, we're
good to go. Okay, not a problem. There's just no
evidence of it. And this is why religions are called
faiths collectively, because you believe something in the absence of evidence,
and that's what it is. That's why it's called faith.
Otherwise we would call all religions evidence, but we don't
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for exactly that reason. So, given what everyone describes to
be properties that would be expressed by an all powerful
being in the gods that they worship, I look for
that in the universe, and I don't find it, so
I remain unconvinced. But if you had some good evidence,
bring it great. And so I don't lead with that
(30:24):
information because what I believe should be irrelevant to anyone.
It's not about me, it's about the real world. Now
that is That's the end of his statement. That's a
very articulate response to a question like that, just off
the cuff, and I understand exactly what he's talking about
from a scientific point of view, but at least he
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is trying to define and clarify things that Well, if
you mean God is some benevolent being, and he even
mentions the bearded man, if that's what you mean, an
all good being, well then it does necessarily makes sense,
does it. But if God is something that transcends the
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version of the bearded man, that God is a state
of balance, that God is a state of harmony that
can be achieved, well, then maybe the pain that we
are going through here is not because that God is
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not benevolent, but that we have brought problems on ourselves.
And this is a classroom. We are being punished for
things that we have done in the past. It's and
it also you know I can't help but think of
the book of Job. I've talked about this in the Bible,
where you know, and this is just a story, whether
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you believe it or not. The point is Job is
this wealthy, god fearing man with the comfortable life and
a large family. And God God asks Satan, well, what
do you think of Job here? And Satan says, ah,
Job would turn away from you if he were rendered
penniless and without his family and uncomfortable and diseased. And
so God allows the devil to do all these terrible
(32:15):
things to Job to prove that even then Job will
not turn his back on God. There are different ways
of looking at all this. But if this is a classroom,
and if this is ultimately a temporary experience, experience and
you know, maybe you live to be one hundred years old,
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but still all things come to an end. If this
is a classroom, and yes, part of the lesson is
to suffer, because you get the character the stick. That's
pretty much how people learn things. Unfortunately, Well, the good
news is that even though you have to suffer as
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a part of this education at this rung of hell, well,
then that means that if you are in this classroom,
Then you are valuable. If you weren't valuable, you'd just
be trashed somewhere, or you'd be put into the ice,
you know, an absolute zero, you'd be sent off to
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the Phantom Realm and Superman. But no, if you are
here because this is a classroom, because this is a
rung of hell, and that means that you might be
able to learn from it and to escape it. You're
being given a chance to learn so that you can
have a better after life without suffering. Now is that
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the case? I don't know. I'm not here to tell
you that I have these answers. I don't do this
show because I have the answers to everything. I'm a
guy who's really good at bringing up questions and thinking
through them and taking you on the journey. But I'd
like to think that that's what's happening here, that it's
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certainly not paradise, that it is a wrung of hell,
which has good parts and bad parts. It's way worse
for some people than others. Most of my life is
really good, but nobody can say one hundred percent of
life is good. So you want to try to do
the best you can. What does that mean? I always
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talk about you know, it's hard to it's easy to
forget this, but and some people don't know what I'm
talking about. The golden rule. Do unto others as you
would have them do unto you. If you remember that,
I think you'll pass the test. Be good. And also,
do not preoccupy yourself with all of these temporary superficial attachments.
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You're wasting your time and energy if you elevate the
superficial too much. And it's trust me, it's hard for
me to overcome those feelings because I'm the kind of guy.
I'm a collector. I collect all kinds of useless things.
I owned a museum for God's sake. I have storage
units all over this country that are just so packed
with stuff. I'm gonna have to go sell a lot
(35:15):
of it soon because it's like I have nothing to
do with this stuff. And just remember, you know, it's
very basic. Like they said, you can't take it with you.
I think there's you know, saying, you've never seen a
hearse towing a U haul trailer. Right, You've never seen
(35:37):
a hearse towing the U haul trailer. So these are
just things to think about. Here's some other wisdom for you,
don't don't marry a lawyer, don't marry a reporter, don't
(35:58):
date a hypnotist, and good luck hitting on your bank teller.
I didn't just make all that up, by the way.
That's that's advice I've picked up from friends over the years.
So is this a rung of hill You figure it
out for yourself. That's as far as I can take
(36:19):
you on a podcast. But when we come back from
this break, I'm going to do something that's unusual for me.
I do not ordinarily play EVP. I'm talking audio recordings
that may be ghostly ghostly EVP on this show. I'm
(36:40):
not a big proponent of EVP. But when we come back,
I am going to play for you an EVP that
you've never heard before, and I just want to see
what you think about it. The reason I'm going to
play it is because I know that it's authentic, because
I can stured it. And when we return, I'll explain
(37:03):
to you where I captured it, what makes it special
beyond just being like, you know, somebody's stomach growling in
a dark room. But I can't, for the life of me,
I can't figure out what it says I have I
don't know, I might have an idea, but well, anyway,
(37:23):
I'll explain. I'm going to play it for you here shortly.
I'm Joshua pe Warren and you're listening to Strange Things
all on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast I AM
Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be right back. Welcome
(38:18):
back to the final segment of this edition of Strange
Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
Podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua P. Warren. And
even though I've been doing paranormal investigation and experimentation for
over thirty years, and trust me, I have heard a
(38:39):
lot of so called ghostly audio EVP, you know, electronic
voice phenomena, I am not the guy that you want
to send that stuff to for analysis. And the reason
is I require some pretty stringent criteria to be met
(39:00):
for me to take something like an audio recording seriously.
And that is because that well, it helps, for one thing,
if it actually is audio from a video, so there's
a visual component as well. But if you just send
me some audio clip, I don't know what the context was.
And also I'm not saying that you might be hoaxing it.
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I mean some people do hoax things, but also recorders
will just pick up normal noises that you can't hear
with your naked ear, and then you hear it and
you try to make sense out of it using you know, paradoia,
and so I just can't honestly do an analysis for you.
(39:43):
It's just not my cup of tea when it comes
to audio clips alone. And if you do send me
something like that, then I will most likely forward it
to my friend Dean Warsing, because he does specialize in EVP.
He has even taught class as an instructor at a
(40:03):
college on EVP. I'll just send it to Dean. If
you have something that you want to be analyzed, I
don't usually do that. I could sit here and talk
to you for a whole hour about how that it
is certainly possible that ghostly and paranormal stuff could be
captured on these devices, and you'd be impressed to hear
me give you my presentation. But I just can't analyze
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what you send me, because again, there's just too much
information that I need. But I got something the other
day that I thought was odd enough that maybe I
should share it with you. I live in a big house.
I have a lot of strange stuff all over the house.
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I avoid bringing things into the house that I think
are negative, but I do have some things that are
certainly haunted. One of them, of course, would be Kennedy
the Ventriloquist figure. I would even say that Art Bell's
alien statue Carvel. I currently have some haunted historic items,
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like a wheelchair of that Franklin D. Roosevelt used. I mean,
I have a lot of stuff, and it's sort of
spread around the house, but a lot of it is
in one certain area. And Lauren and I have this
little Chihuahua named Dolly, and she has seen it all.
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She's not one of those excitable dogs that just like
real nervous and jumpy. She doesn't bark at every little thing,
and we're very happy about that. And Dolly has, of
course has most dogs, this little bed that she loves
to sleep in. I do not allow dogs to come
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into my bedroom because I have allergies and I can't
stand that hair everywhere. I can't breathe. I don't sleep
with the dog. So when when Lauren and I turn in,
then the dog she has this cage with a bed
in it, and we leave the door open on the cage.
She doesn't have to be in there, but she likes
going in there because she has a little heating pad,
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and she likes to root around like a like a
gopher or something, and she likes to get under blankets.
She's one of those dogs likes to be covered covered up.
But you know, her her bed is in this cage
so that, like you know, if we have a workman
come over or something, then we can easily close up
the door and make sure that she doesn't run out
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and get into trouble. So she sleeps very peacefully in
this in this bed, in this cage. In late December
of twenty twenty four, I got an alert on my
phone because I have a state of the art security
system here at my house. I got an alert that
said person detected. Now we have this little camera that's
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on her bed that's pointed toward her, and her bed
is in the room that's right next to the room
that has Kennedy the haunted doll, and some of this
other haunted stuff. And I was a lot of times
I work at night and I sleep during the day.
This was about three o'clock in the afternoon, so it's
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broad daylight, and I see that there is a camera
that has that has pointed toward her, that has alerted,
and I was like, well, that's unusual because sometimes, you know,
she'll move around and set off the camera, but this says,
you know, person detected. And so I hit the button
to watch the video. And what happens is you hear
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this very distinctive noise, kind of a clicking sound, like
something is moved, and her head just shoots right out
from under her little blanket and she's looking at something
and then you hear this sound and she's looking right
(44:09):
over at the room where all the spooky stuff is.
But here's the thing. I did not at that time
have a camera mounted where she is looking out at
her perspective, so I can't see what she's looking at.
All I know is she reacts to something that sounds like,
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you know, it's a physical object has moved in the room.
She didn't mark or anything, but like she's looking at it,
and then you hear this sound. So I don't know
what to make of this exactly. Here's what I'm gonna do.
First off, I'm going to play the raw audio recording
for you. It's only a few seconds long, and it's
(44:53):
weird because you'll hear like this kind of clicky sound
like something's moving, and then it's almost like the audio
just drops for second, and then you'll hear of this
kind of whispery sound. Okay, I'm just gonna play this once,
so listen carefully. Here we go. Okay, I'm assuming you
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heard that little kind of creepy, whispery, whispery sound. I
don't want to call it a voice, but if you
missed it, now, I'm just going to play for you
that little whispery voice like sound, just isolated on its own. Okay,
listen again now. Of course, me being me, I took
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that thing and loaded it into my audio editing software
and I started playing around with it. I magnified certain
parts and listened to it. I sped it up and
listened to it. I slowed it down and listened to it.
I flipped it in all different ways. I used filters.
I'm still not sure what I mean. I kind of
(46:10):
have a feeling I think I know what it says.
But listen to this. I'll just play for you one
variation of it here it is slowed down and I
want to say this has slowed down about fifty percent.
All that says is the isolated whispery voice thing, but
slowed down by about fifty percent. And I don't know.
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I find that this actually sounds quite unsettling. So give
this a listen. Well, there you go. What do you
think of that? I am only playing this for you
because that I know it's authentic because that I recorded it,
(46:53):
and also because I have the video of the dog
reacting to something as if she's seeing something right there
in the room. Hopefully next time I'll have another camera
that we'll capture whatever she's looking at. But that seems
to happen a lot in the paranormal field. I think
that if you want to figure out if an EVP
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may have some legitimacy, your best bet is to walk
down the street and stop five strangers and play it
for them and don't tell them what you think it says,
and say what do you think this says? And if
they all tell you the same thing, you might have something.
But feel free to email me if you would like
to tell me what you think that quote unquote voice
(47:34):
may or may not be saying, as you know, I
get so many messages it's impossible for me to read
them all. I mean to respond to them all, but
I do read them all. So just go to joshuap
Warren dot com and email me. Okay, quick, mental manner
before we wrap up. I've never been arrested, and I
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don't know exactly how that process works. Knock on wood,
but apparently a lot of people in prison, if they
behave they get to listen to an AM FM radio
and I get contacted sometimes by prisoners who say I
have something I need to talk to you about. And
I used to reply and say, okay, what is it?
(48:15):
And then I stopped replying most of the time. And
Lauren said why, and I said, because everybody in prison
who contacts me after they've heard me on the radio,
they always want the same thing. She goes, what is that?
I said, they want to get out of prison. I'm
the guy with the wishing machine. They just want to
get out of prison, and I'm not in that business
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of helping you wish your way out of prison. Oh
my goodness. All right, my friends, you know what time
it is. If you can close your eyes, take a
deep breath, relax. Let's all enjoy the good fortune tone.
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