November 14, 2025 • 42 mins
CEO Christopher Naughton and Director of Legacy Education John Van Auken from Edgar Cayce’s Association for Research and Enlightenment join Captain Ron to shed light on how Edgar Cayce’s work was embedded in the UFO and non-human intelligence phenomenon.
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Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and Each week on Beyond Contact,
we'll explore the latest news in upology, discuss some of
the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from
the newest cases as we talked with the top experts. Hi,
and welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ronin. Today we're
going to be exploring Edgar Casey and unravel his insights
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to non human intelligence and what he called ships in
the air or what we call UFOs. We have about
the best two people on the planet to do this
joining us today. We have Christopher Naughton, who is currently
the CEO of Edgar Casey Association for Research and Enlightenment.
He has an extensive professional background in law, broadcasting, and
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holistic spirituality. We also have John Vaughan Bucken, who is
the Director of Legacy Education at the Edgar Casey Foundation.
He's the editor of Venture Inward magazine and has been
involved in Casey's work for over fifty years, writing more
than three dozen books on Casey mysticism and ancient mysteries
along the way. John's ability to call up Casey's readings
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alone is just from I've listened to enough of his
stuff to hear that. So welcome, gentlemen, thanks for coming on.
I appreciate you Ron timing to see you. It's going
to be great. I'm really interested in Edgar Casey. You know,
for whatever reason, I never think of Edgar Casey as
a psychic per se in the way we think of
psychics today. I literally don't know why, but his legacy
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and his ideas somehow, somehow feel more credible. For some reason.
Was he different than what we'd call a psychic today?
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I think so, John, I mean, you know, certainly Casey
came out of the you know, late nineteenth early twentieth century,
and spiritualism was the only game in talent. It came
to channeling, and Casey really broke the record. He introduced
the Western mind to universal mysteries that it had not
been accustomed to. Yes, the Transcendentalist brought some notions of
the data and reincarnation and that sort of thing, but
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Casey really broke all the records and he really is
the gold standard when you talk about channeling and what
we might call channeling today or even psychic. This man
is the world beater. He is the Babe Ruth of
the psychic world. And yeah, so many things poured through
that man that I think someday he should be as
well known as you know, Billy Graham or Mary Baker
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Eddie or Ralph Waldo Emerson. I mean, he is that
much of a giant when it comes to opening up
the Western mind to mysticism, metaphysics, spirituality. That also included
you know, UFOs and UAPs.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Here we are eighty years after his death and we're
talking about him, So that's something right there, you know.
I know he passed away in forty five, and it
was in nineteen forty seven with Kenneth Arnold's incident when
he you know, that's when the phrase got coined of
flying saucer. And then in nineteen fifty two the Air
Force started calling these objects unidentified flying objects or UFOs,
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and of course now they're calling them UAPs. But despite
not using that yet to be coined terms, case he
does actually refer to and speak about life exists throughout
the universe and even addressed beings coming from other realms, planets, dimensions.
I'm thinking this is the big question for you guys.
Can you speak to what Casey's ideas were on life
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on other planets or other dimensions or realms?
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Yeah, we sure can. I mean clearly he felt when
the Great Creation occurred, the infinite eternal expressed entities out
of itself throughout the universe, not just too little planet Earth,
and that he actually mentioned that the people of this
world are actually going to meet the people of the universe. Eventually.
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He told one lady that she was incarnate in the
Mayan period when this planet was being visited from other worlds.
So yes, he naturally felt that there was life way
beyond her. They were in different dimensions, different conditions, but
similar to us and that they have actually been visiting us.
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I think the most shocking thing is he indicated we've
been visiting them when we're in what we call death,
when we've died physically, but our souls are a conscious
spiritually or internationally universally. So yeah, he took it very natural,
as though this was a fact of life.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
It seems like that's sort of been a growing theme
in this community, is that now maybe the afterlife does
have something to do with all of this, you know,
as we'll talk about later. He also addressed ships and
lights in the air, but he did even speak specifically
about beings influencing humanity from other planes, and he said
some were benevolent and some were not. That's pretty interesting.
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You have thoughts on that.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Well, it's like Zachariah Sitchin wrote so well about ancient times,
the barrier between this reality and the universal or the
planetary realities was not so opaque, and so there was
a lot of inter action and all. But the more
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we got into dense matter, the less we retained our awareness.
So that was his way of looking at it. But
he says, we're coming back to expanding our consciousness.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
You know, the thing is that Casey recognized something which
we almost feel is secondhand today, and that is we
are multi dimensional beings in a multiverse. And those words
may roll off our tongue rather adroitly today, but one
hundred years ago they did not. But Casey talked about
the fact that our soul was multi dimensional. In my
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father's house, there are many mansions. And so when he
talked about beings, human beings having experiences now and between lives,
he talked about the pleiatees. He talked about arcturis. He
talked about, you know, literally dwelling on planets, not in
the same physical body, but that you would engage these
planets Jupiter and Venus are touris, go to the plates
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because there was a certain vibratory pattern that your soul
needed to experience in order to evolve.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
It's incredible how ahead of his time he seems, because
these ideas are just now seeming to come into our world.
You know. He even linked the biblical sons of God
and the watchers to advanced luminous non earth entities who
interacted with early humans. Did you guys know anything much
about that?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Yeah, he was very biblical, and indeed that he took
the Bible into dimensions we don't usually go into, and
many of the scenes in the ancient Old Testament he
saw as living scenes in other dimensions. Amazing. In the
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breadth of his work, he always had some comment that
startled everybody listening to him while he was in trance.
Like one lady came to get a health reading and
he said, Oh, here's the soul who was in our
tourist last night, and she had no novel. I was
in New Jersey in my bed.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Wow, pretty incredible. It seems like a lot of this
stuff does seem to match up with our beliefs today.
Have you guys noticed that throughout all his work.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Well, yeah, I mean once again when I say he's
the pioneer, he really truly is the gold standard. I mean,
I love what Stephan Schwartz is, a Casey scholar, says
that Casey was the first remote viewer, that he really
demonstrated the whole notion which scientific materialism wants to hold onto,
that somehow correlation equals causation, that somehow this pulp between
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our ears is creating our consciousness, and Casey really blew
that apart well over one hundred years ago. I mean,
when you demonstrate that a near death experience or reincarnation
experience shows that our consciousness is not locally created. This
whole notion of non locality, which again I think in
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many ways is his secondhand to us today. Edgar Casey
was right at the forefront. And you know, I used
to like what Alan Turing said, a man who of
course broke the German code in the Second World War.
He said, once you start believing in telepathy, ghosts are
not far behind. And although Casey never used those words,
clearly when he talked about the fruits of psychic development,
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he was talking about telepathy, precognition, clairvoyance, psychokinesis and all
those other fruits. And once you step into that continuum,
which hopefully we'll get into in the next section, ron
you know, this opens up a whole universe where we
realize we're far more than this corporeal being.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
That it's incredible you say that, because I feel like
we're right at the cusp of that now, with Diane
Hennessy Paul and her telepathy tapes and some of these
things coming out, I think it's just around the corner
that people are going to realize that telepathy is a
real phenomenon, and then it's just to me like a
baby step. Well, if you can go from here to here,
then remote viewing, then after you know, it's sort of
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gonna almost like the floodgates could open. Huh.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Yeah, well I've got a theory about that. But I
know we're running short on time in this section, but
I really do want to address, you know, this continuum
of psychic phenomena, which again Casey was so adept at
demonstrating in his life and speaking of and basically telling
all of us this is the destiny of the human race,
this fifth root race that he talks about in some
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of his readings. This is the eventual psychic human which
bursts beyond the boundaries of three dimensional living. And really
we're starting to see that curtain is opening up, that
veil is being breached right now, and it's absolutely exciting.
And we at are of course, are addressing these things
on a daily basis. It's not just honoring our past
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with Edgar over one hundred years ago. It's where we're
going to from this place moving forward.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Awesome. I'm going to take a break right there when
we come back We're going to ask Christopher and John
about the consciousness aspects of how Casey looked at these
other beings in realms. You're listening to Beyond Contact on
the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.
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We are back on Beyond Contact. We'll speaking to Christopher
Naughton and John von Uchan as well. Guys. Casey's readings
often mentioned souls traveling through other planetary realms before incarnating
here on Earth. He described other planets, such as Mars, Venus,
Uranus all as spiritual planes or realms of existence rather
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than this physical world like ours. What did you make
of that?
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Exactly? He would open up a life reading versus a
health reading. He would open up life reading by exploring
the previous sojourns of their soul's experience in other parts
of this solar system, which he said was like a university,
but each planetary realm was a college within the university,
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and he explained that the astrological themes for those planets
fit the training center of that university. For Mars would
be the temperament and the energy, Mercury, the mind, Venus,
the art and arts, and so forth, and so he
would open it up by saying, oh, here's the return
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of someone who was in Jupiter and did a brief
sojourn in Venus on their way in.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah, that's where the astrological values that you know, we've
come to become very familiar with over thousands of years,
all those various values of the planets and of the
signs that astrologers have been preaching about for years. Again,
Casey takes it further. He says that as an entity,
you're taking sojourns. I mean, Casey's universe was mind numbingly large, huge,
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you know, again, more more stars than there are grains
of sand on the planet Earth, which again we can't
even begin to fathom. It's it's it's an infinite of course, but.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Those are new developments that are science just recently has discovered. Yeah, yeah,
pretty incredible. It's interesting to me how he definitely looked
at this phenomenon in terms of consciousness, even like soul based,
instead of strictly from a materialistic viewpoint. And this is
exactly what we see happening in the UFO community as
it moves in that direction. You guys have noticed that
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over the years, I'm sure right.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Well, what I'm seeing, you know, ron is kind of interesting.
I call it the continuum. So this is the continuum
of psychic experience. On one end of the continuum, you
have people jumping in. They want to improve their lives,
they want to have a you know, a track, a soulmate,
they want to become wealthy, they want to become peaceful,
so they jump in at that end of the continuum.
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On the other end of the continuum, you have some
of the bros who love to listen to the podcast
and they don't care about meditation or reincarnation, but they're
really interested in biologics and technology and nhi and that
sort of thing. But see, this entire continuum is connected
by all the psychic fruits. So when you talk about
people having experiences the third, fourth, or fifth kind, there's
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telepathy often involved. Their psychokinesis involved. So all of these
fruits of jumping into this psychic continuum, even if you're
going in because you're trying to find out about UFO
and UAP, really basically all those things I'll quote Jim
Vieira here is just a gateway drug to spiritual evolution,
you know, and it gets us into that continuum. So
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you know, on that one side of the continuum, women
more than men are looking for that piece that centeredness.
Men more than women are on the other side of
the continuum. But eventually they meet in the middle because
all of those psychic fruits connect both ends of that spectrum.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
In my fourteen years of doing this kind of thing,
I have really noticed that that it is all sort
of tied into that too. Like I really I didn't
pay attention to that aspect of this at all in
the beginning, but as you see, it does all kind
of fit in, and it all sort of ties in.
It's interesting the more you delve into this, you know.
Casey also had this motto of the mind is the builder,
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which really speaks to consciousness over technology, which is interesting
and it's in line with people like physicists like Max
Plank who said that you cannot get behind consciousness. This
is also echoed today in the UFO community. And I
think he even said that we would have future contacts
which would be more of a spiritual nature than a
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physical nature. Wow, right in line again, right. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
He felt we will be expanding into force the consciousness,
and sometimes he would open one of his trance readings
by saying to the patient that was questioning in oh my,
a fourth dimensional mind, How refreshing, how.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Great that he could spot such a thing.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
You know. Yeah, He explained that there was a collective
consciousness to which all minds are connected, and that he
could access them in his trance state because he had
moved into a universal consciousness. So when someone directed him
towards something, it was there, because it's all there in
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the collective singularity.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Sometimes, when when we look at this, you know, phenomena,
we realize that like Edgar Casey, for example, had a
number of near death experiences, and what we're finding a
lot of people claim to have had again close encounters
of the third, fourth, fifth, et cetera. Kind many of
those people have a near death experience. First, it's as
if it opens them up to a round that they
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had heretofore not been introduced to. So it moves, and
then it can be many years later, it can be
many many years later where all of a sudden, people
are having dreams or they're having contact, basically being introduced
to beings not of this planet, not of this earth. Now.
Casey never explained or said that he had any of
those personal non human intelligence introductions. But let's keep this
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in mind about Edgar Casey. He was so far ahead
of the curve. His life was odd and freakish enough.
In fact, they called him the Freak because he was
able to tap into yeah that they made a play
about it. That was an off Broadway play and it
was called the Freak, and he was called the Freak.
In fact, several times he wanted to step away from
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the talents he had shown with his readings because he
was so far outside the realm of mainstream Christianity, mainstream America.
But each time he stepped away. Twice in his life
where he stepped away, one of his family members had
had a horrid, you know, physical illness, and so he
had to go right back into it and tap into
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this incredible talent that he had. And you know, at
the beginning, you know, of showing these talents that he had,
it was often about holistic health. It was about healing
his fellow men. Of the fourteen thousand readings he gave,
some nine thousand of them are health readings for his
fellow men. But once he moved from Dayton, Ohio, to
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Virginia Beach in nineteen twenty five. Now his psychic powers
were on steroids. The source said, come to Virginia Beach.
There's something in the water here, There's something in the
mineral makeup here in Virginia Beach that's going to really
jack up your psychic, you know abilities. And that's when
all the readings about Atlantis and Egypt and the Hall
of Records and other lifetimes and yes, Fifth Route Race
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and other dimensional beings as well. So it really was
Virginia Beach that, you know, turned him on to that
next dimension.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
And he said Virginia Beach was seaport of a fourth
dimensional collective of spirituality coming through into this reality, and
so being here as a channel helped him a great deal.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Wasn't he the one who first said Virginia is for lovers?
Speaker 4 (19:15):
No, but he might as well have. Well, I got it. Well,
let me just say this, you know, Casey, I mean,
I think it's the heart chakra of the original thirteen Colonies.
And Casey talked about the fact that Washington, d c.
Was the heart chakra of the country. So yeah, maybe
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there's something too that Virginia is for lovers, you know.
They try to get rid of that slogan and that
motto and whatever they came up with next never worked,
so it came back.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yeah. You know, do you think he was talking about
the multiverse when he was talking about this, You know,
it was a conscious based model where we all hold
these different vibration and he does seem to talk about
vibrational lessons right, that we manifest these to incarnate in
each at a certain vibration.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
He has a long what we call reading or discourse
on the concept of us being stellar, being star travelers
through different dimensions, and that your vibes allow you to
harmonize or sync into a dimension, grasp what it has
to give you, and then you can manifest it or
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use it in other dimensions. It's a big, long, wonderful
reading explaining our abilities to tap into multiple dimensions.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Yeah, and long before Joni Mitchell or Crosby Stills a
Nash Edgar Kinsey said we are star beings, we are
star dust, you know. So there you go.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
It's it's incredible how his stuff really has kind of
trickled through all of society. When we come back, we're
going to ask Christopher and John about Atlantis in the
Atlantean ships, that Casey spoke of. If you're listening to
Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am
aaron A podcast network, we are back on Beyond Contact
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speaking to Christopher and John here about Edgar Casey. Casey
also famously did readings on Atlantis, and those even specifically
mentioned incredible technologies crystal energy, levitating vehicles, ships in the air,
ships of the air, I think is the way he
said it. Do you think that these were physical ships,
perhaps like what we would call a UFO or was
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this maybe metaphoric for like spiritual flight or psychic travel.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Well, I'm inclined to think it's kind of a blend
pre physical, but manifesting in a physical like form, such
as a thought form or a light form in that
manner physical. He mentioned the flying ships in the biblical
Ezekiel were actually descriptions of Atlantean ships that would fly.
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And notice how Ezekiel described them as the spirit inside them.
If it rose, the vehicle rose. If the spirit moved down,
the vehicle moved. It could go fast or slow. And
in the ancient Hindu Ramayana, they have a whole section
talking about these vimanas of essence caused by a spirit
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to move in physical and metaphysical they could actually go
beyond the physical realm.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Pretty fascinating to me how this stuff all kind of
circles back in the same thing, and these different disciplines
seem to have same sentiment throughout. To me, that's credibility
to it.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Yeah, And he made it so human like. For example,
he gave a fast life reading for a young woman
and said, oh, here's the fire altar Princess of Atlantis,
wonderful in that glorious age. And she said, well, I'm
ironing shirts in Ohio. This why right, right right? And
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he he became friends with her, and he joked with her, well,
I'm giving readings for a few dollars and I used
to be the high priest in Egypt.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Hilarious. And yeah, that's what I heard too, that he
thought he was a scribe or something, or a high
priest in free Yeah. And you also say that some
of the Atlanteans escaped to Egypt and Yucatan and even
the Pyrenees or something before the final destructivalence.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
And also some went west and became the royal Iroquois,
the oldest Iroquois. Now, don't mix them up because the
Iroquois blended with a lot of other but the original
royal Iroquois, who were feminine dominant. I would go live
in my mother in all's camp. My mother in law
had it because feminine was dominant in Atlantis. By the way,
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that is very strange in.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Case not only talked about Atlantis, I mean that other
lost continent that sometimes is not often referred to. It's
referred to as Lemuria or move I mean, Casey talked
about that lost continent that was in the Pacific. Atlanta's
of course in the Atlantic. And you know, except for
Plato and people like Francis Bacon, we really didn't hear
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a whole lot about Atlantis. But when Casey comes down
the pike in the twentieth century, my god, we get
story after story after story about Atlantis and the high
technological advantages that they had created for themselves, including those
so called flying machines. But then also those were the
seeds of their destruction as well, because they had not
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evolved in consciousness, in love and did not keep up
with the technology. And God, I can't imagine any kind
of parallels that we're experiencing today.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Well, I was going to just ask you specifically that
the way these a lot of these readings seem to
be about energy, crystal's levitation, even inter demension portals. Might
these correspond to some of the technologies we had or
have now, like even maybe zero point energy or quantum
field manipulation. These kind of things seem to sort of
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fit to what he was saying. Or do you again,
do you think it's maybe more metaphor.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
No, you're right, No, you're right. He mentions that souls
that were of the higher skill levels in Atlantis and
Lemuria were reincarnating now again bringing with them an innate understanding,
and they were going to resurrect these powers and abilities,
and hopefully this time we didn't abuse them like we
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did back then.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Well didn't He actually warn us that technology and ego
was with destroyed Atlantis, and today we're facing these problems
of AI getting out of control, quantum weaponry, maybe the
militarization of UFO technology. Who knows. Do you think history
could repeat itself if you know, our technology or even
our hubris grows out of control.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
You know, we had Danny she and at Are just
a few weeks ago, and of course Danny's at the
very at the very forefront of the disclosure project. And Ron,
I know that you've interacted with Dan as well, and
you know the whole thing about delving into the realm
of UFO and UAP. Certainly for me, you know, as
the CEO here at Ari, if it doesn't have the
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spiritual component, I'm really not much interested. I got to
tell you. I mean, I did a radio program for
well over twenty years on NPR and AM stations, et cetera,
and never once at that time did I bring up
UFO UAP because I always saw it in a separate silo.
Now I've evolved to the point where it's a holy cow,
it's part of the continuum. In fact, you know, our
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our investigation, our soul evolution, demands that we take a
look at UFO UAP, the the orbs that a Christopher
Bledsoe can summon on command. I mean, this is a
very exciting time to be a lot And these are
the times that Edgar Casey predicted. Now, despite what you
see on YouTube about Edgar Casey's predictions for twenty twenty five,
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here we are zero, okay. And if they make for
fabulous clickbait, somebody's getting rich on that stuff. But at
the same time, we know full well that Casey said
the choice has ever been ours. Yeah, he made predictions,
but he always said that free will superseded that. So
whether he talked about the beginnings of World War one,
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world War two, the crash of the stock market, it's
almost as if Casey saw the concrete solidifying, but it
wasn't solid yet, and we always had free choice, and
so yeah, those choices are here today now. I say, Ron,
I'm kind of encouraged, at least when I look at
what's happened in Montana and other places over the years.
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If it looks like we're ready to set off World
War three, I understand from what I can tell. You know,
a UFOUAP and non human intelligence is there to allow
to evolve on our own. But if we think we're
going to tear a hole in the universe, we got
another thing coming. So that's all part of the picture.
And yes, Atlantis did that and we must learn from that.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
They said that about the hydron collider too, right, that
that would cause a black hole and take care of
the whole universe right there. Yeah, And your view is
he is he describing these extraterrestrial intelligences. Do you think
it was states of higher consciousness or more like the
modern experiences that we interpret as quote unquote alien.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
I think it's both, John, don't you?
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's both. And also it's a vibrational
manifestation of a mind, a thought projection of an entity.
And there are many different entities at different levels of
vibration and awareness. It's not as homogeneous as we would
like to think. And we're going to meet them or
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have been meeting them, and according to Sitchens writings, we've
been meeting them from ancient tome and we just describe
it in the odd ways that make it fantasy like
when actually it was real, it was actually happening.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
John Tygen what you said earlier. I feel like recently
I've heard how some people are saying that these alien
beings are also part of the afterlife.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Oh yes, oh yeah, Well in the afterlife, you and I,
as physically as we are, we are freer in the
afterlife because our soul, in our deeper mind are subconscious.
Super conscious is released from physicality and three dimensions, and
so communication with entities, ghost, spirits, loved ones, other dimensions
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is much easier and accessible because when Edgar went into trance,
he did this little technique to go into trance, he
actually left his body and personality behind. He reached up
into the infinite and then someone would say, tell us
about and it was there instantly because he was in
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that collective. Could I talk with so and so? And
he said, yes, they're in the seventh dimension and I
can bring them to you. You know, it was shocking
how fast life really is and multiple dimensions of activity
and all the infinity eternal is. We are just starting
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to get back in touch with it.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
At the same time. You know, neither Edgar Casey nor
really the are really trumpeted that out for years. Why
it was just too strange, It was too far ahead
of its time. And I think, you know, Casey opened
up that world and teased us a little bit. We're
giving us three or four really salient stories and then
a number of other stories that are contiguous are on
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the periphery of that. But the whole notion was this
guy was a Christian who grew up in the South,
and he had overcome racism, and he had to overcome
Christian fundamentalism. And when stuff like reincarnation came through him.
At first, it freaked him out, and so you had
to understand that this was like, okay, whatever beings were
helping him along, it's like, okay, we're gonna help dispense
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this information in a temperate, sober manner as much as possible,
because guess what is going to blow your minds. It's
far beyond Jesus is your savior. Check the box and
that's all there is to the universe.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
And seventy years later and I could barely get my
head around it. You know, probably going to be even
more in the future. So when we come back, we're
gonna ask Christopher and John about the acashic record that
Edgar Casey was tapping into to get this information. John
just touched on it. You're listening to Beyond Contact on
the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.
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We are back on Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron talking
to Chris and John about Edgar Casey. Guys. One thing
that I always have associated with Edgar Casey, I think
it was Helena Blovitski. Is that who the idea of
the akashoy Yes, and then you know the non physical
library of all universal events and thoughts sort of recorded.
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Can you guys explain what you thought? You know what
that was from Casey's perspective.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
He explained it as an infinite universal consciousness expressing individual
free willed consciousnesses, and anything they thought or did makes
an impression on the universal and he could read it.
People would come to him and say, I had this dream.
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Could you help me interpret it? And they would tell
him like a two sentence thing, He said, oh, you
missed most of the dream, and he would repeat the
whole dream to them and they would say, where did
you get this? And he said, your subconscious made an
impression on the collective consciousness. Yeah, it was a natural
thing for him that they collectives was impressed by every
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individual mind, not only their actions, but their thoughts, and
he could read thoughts. You know, I was only eighteen
when I read that, and it freaked me out so bad.
I was a mess for a couple of years till
he said, new thoughts overshadow old thoughts, and I was
saved because my teenage thoughts were not exactly ideal.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Even hearing you guys describe that right there, John, Do
you guys think the idea of this long standing record
could in any way support the new idea of the
simulated universe.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
I certainly do. I mean, you know, it makes you
sit and take pause, because really, the Akashak records were
beyond space and time. They existed at the speed of light.
You know, why should we be so surprised? It was
Uncle Albert Einstein who said to us, hey, time and
space are illusions, albeit subbern ones. So the scientist and
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the quantum physicist I kind of got there. In fact,
it's amazing how scientifically material we've been for the last
one hundred years. When you think about the quantum physicists
in the nineteen thirties and forties, we're talking about consciousness
as fundamental. But yes, when you think about Casey talking
about the Kashak records as being timeless and being beyond
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time and space, my god, what dimensions does that put
us into? And where you know, and where is existence
at that point in time? Is it a simulation? I
think you could make that argument very interesting.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
How do you feel this Akashak record idea ties into
Carl Jung's idea of the collective unconscious perfectly?
Speaker 5 (34:39):
It's perfect. There's one nuance to Jun Jun had it
kind of a physical body connected, and Casey kept it
in the mind more. But I see the blend, and
many of Jung's teachings are mind expanding and help us
to understand Edgar Casey these far out ideas and concepts.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
I don't know if I can make this connection, but
I'll try sometimes. When I've heard from those who have
had near death experiences, are those people like Raymond Moody
and Paul Perry and others who have studied near death
experience is almost all in talk about going through a
life review, and in that life review, you go through
every single second of your lifetime. And not only do
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you go through each and every second through your seventy
eighty one hundred years, you not only feel your feelings,
you get the feel the feelings of the people that
you interacted with. You talk about multitudinous grains of sin
on you know, on the planet, this is your life.
When I think about that, I think about again the multiverse.
I think about multitudinal experiences getting outside time and space.
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And again that's what the Acostak records are. So if
it I mean, and that's why I kind of pair
it with a life review, because in some ways you
can sense this is a record of your own life,
and it's you know, it's infinite, incredible.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Casey predicted that humanity would rediscover this lost knowledge and
reawakening psychic awareness in the twenty first century, leading to
a reunion of higher beings who guide us in our
spiritual evolution. Well, here we are, we're in the twenty
first century. Do you think that the beings he's referring
to here are what we might call alien?
Speaker 5 (36:20):
Zachariah Sitchen and I used to debate that often, and
I used to joke with him all of that, these
ancient aliens you're talking about, zachar they were us. We
were in those dimensions, and now we're down into a
finite focus in the third dimension, and you and I
are debating a concept that we once lived. Yeah, I
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think we have a great role in it. But I
will say this. Edgar said, not every soul has had
the three dimensional Earth experience, And he did give a
reading for one soul who said he's only incarnated here
four times, when most people incarnade here many multiple times.
He didn't belong to this dimension, so he only visited
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four times. He belonged to another dimension. So it's really vast,
the explanation and the possibilities. It's just amazing.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
At the very least, our consciousness sounds like it'll survive death.
All of these guys seem to agree on that. You know,
it's incredible that Edgar Casey is one of these legendary guys.
But thank god, in this unique case, we have all
this record. We have fourteen thousand of these. It's amazing
they even thought to record them. I just I think
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about it. I think thank god they did, because there's
probably been plenty of other people that have had insights
that it wasn't recorded, and that's lost the time.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Again, Casey was again different than spiritualists because he said
he wasn't channeling you know, any entity. On occasion he
did that, but I was so rare. He was always
saying his higher channel is higher self. That access to
the Akashak records, that's where it began and ended. And
so that's why we get this fascinating information that is
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poured through this man, including again other peoples and other
races on other planets and other dimensions and one thing
ron that we haven't touched on yet. But he also
talked about the fact that there were classes of people
that existed elsewhere that were not as warlike as we
are here in our portion of the universe. So, despite
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some of the baleful experiences some people have had when
they've interacted with non human intelligence, most of it has
been by and large, very very positive in some way,
in some cases has had amazing healing properties involved with it.
We would like to think that most, if not all,
but certainly most, we would hope of our experiences of
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interacting with these other beings, which may happen sooner than
we think, are going to be positive experiences. You know,
last week I was in Arizona and I was giving
a talk before folks who were very much interested in
the Casey readings. And at one point in time in
my discussion, I said, so, how many of you out
there think that UFO and UAP have been here or
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will be here at some point in time. One hundred
percent of the people raise their hand. I said, how
many of you think that there's going to be or
has been, or there's going to be something such as
first contact? Ninety percent of the people raise their hand.
I said, how many of you think that first contact
is going to happen in your lifetime. And you know
eighty five to ninety percent of those people raise their hands. Now, again,
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these are not ufologists. These are not people maybe following
the congressional hearings or maybe even listening to some of
the many shows that are out there. But these are
people died on the world, people who are trying to
improve their lives spiritually, and they're telling you, Yep, I
think it's going to happen, and it's going to happen
in my life.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
I'm knee deep in this community, and I don't think
it's going to happen in my lifetime. What there are,
of course, people in this community that believe they've already
had this contact, So it may be happening. I just
don't see it on the world stage. I don't see
the President doing a big d disclosure.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
That wouldn't be the point, right, right, you know, they're
not going to appear on the White House lawn, right.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
You know.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
I think part of this entire equation, and this gets
into the spiritual evolution that Danny Shean and I and
John we're talking about, it's not you know, a decision
on their part, if you will, it's when are we
going to be ready? What is our What do we
have to have in our vibratory pattern that will allow
those races of beings to come and show themselves. It's
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up to us to move in that direction.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Well, there are people out there, like doctor Stephen Greer
for example, that say we need to get up to
like whatever it was one percent. I think of us
raising our vibrational level of consciousness to understand this. That'll
be enough to make it happen.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
Yes, it is, it is, and it's only to get
more fascinating as time goes on.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Here we are eighty years in and this guy is
still extremely relevant. And I think you guys are doing
an amazing job. Obviously, it's fascinating stuff. I really appreciate
you taking the time to talk to us today. Thanks
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Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and Each week on Beyond Contact,
we'll explore the latest news in upology, discuss some of
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the newest cases as we talked with the top experts. Hi,
and welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ronin. Today we're
going to be exploring Edgar Casey and unravel his insights
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to non human intelligence and what he called ships in
the air or what we call UFOs. We have about
the best two people on the planet to do this
joining us today. We have Christopher Naughton, who is currently
the CEO of Edgar Casey Association for Research and Enlightenment.
He has an extensive professional background in law, broadcasting, and
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holistic spirituality. We also have John Vaughan Bucken, who is
the Director of Legacy Education at the Edgar Casey Foundation.
He's the editor of Venture Inward magazine and has been
involved in Casey's work for over fifty years, writing more
than three dozen books on Casey mysticism and ancient mysteries
along the way. John's ability to call up Casey's readings
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alone is just from I've listened to enough of his
stuff to hear that. So welcome, gentlemen, thanks for coming on.
I appreciate you Ron timing to see you. It's going
to be great. I'm really interested in Edgar Casey. You know,
for whatever reason, I never think of Edgar Casey as
a psychic per se in the way we think of
psychics today. I literally don't know why, but his legacy
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and his ideas somehow, somehow feel more credible. For some reason.
Was he different than what we'd call a psychic today?
Speaker 4 (02:28):
I think so, John, I mean, you know, certainly Casey
came out of the you know, late nineteenth early twentieth century,
and spiritualism was the only game in talent. It came
to channeling, and Casey really broke the record. He introduced
the Western mind to universal mysteries that it had not
been accustomed to. Yes, the Transcendentalist brought some notions of
the data and reincarnation and that sort of thing, but
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Casey really broke all the records and he really is
the gold standard when you talk about channeling and what
we might call channeling today or even psychic. This man
is the world beater. He is the Babe Ruth of
the psychic world. And yeah, so many things poured through
that man that I think someday he should be as
well known as you know, Billy Graham or Mary Baker
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Eddie or Ralph Waldo Emerson. I mean, he is that
much of a giant when it comes to opening up
the Western mind to mysticism, metaphysics, spirituality. That also included
you know, UFOs and UAPs.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Here we are eighty years after his death and we're
talking about him, So that's something right there, you know.
I know he passed away in forty five, and it
was in nineteen forty seven with Kenneth Arnold's incident when
he you know, that's when the phrase got coined of
flying saucer. And then in nineteen fifty two the Air
Force started calling these objects unidentified flying objects or UFOs,
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and of course now they're calling them UAPs. But despite
not using that yet to be coined terms, case he
does actually refer to and speak about life exists throughout
the universe and even addressed beings coming from other realms, planets, dimensions.
I'm thinking this is the big question for you guys.
Can you speak to what Casey's ideas were on life
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on other planets or other dimensions or realms?
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Yeah, we sure can. I mean clearly he felt when
the Great Creation occurred, the infinite eternal expressed entities out
of itself throughout the universe, not just too little planet Earth,
and that he actually mentioned that the people of this
world are actually going to meet the people of the universe. Eventually.
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He told one lady that she was incarnate in the
Mayan period when this planet was being visited from other worlds.
So yes, he naturally felt that there was life way
beyond her. They were in different dimensions, different conditions, but
similar to us and that they have actually been visiting us.
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I think the most shocking thing is he indicated we've
been visiting them when we're in what we call death,
when we've died physically, but our souls are a conscious
spiritually or internationally universally. So yeah, he took it very natural,
as though this was a fact of life.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
It seems like that's sort of been a growing theme
in this community, is that now maybe the afterlife does
have something to do with all of this, you know,
as we'll talk about later. He also addressed ships and
lights in the air, but he did even speak specifically
about beings influencing humanity from other planes, and he said
some were benevolent and some were not. That's pretty interesting.
(05:44):
You have thoughts on that.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Well, it's like Zachariah Sitchin wrote so well about ancient times,
the barrier between this reality and the universal or the
planetary realities was not so opaque, and so there was
a lot of inter action and all. But the more
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we got into dense matter, the less we retained our awareness.
So that was his way of looking at it. But
he says, we're coming back to expanding our consciousness.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
You know, the thing is that Casey recognized something which
we almost feel is secondhand today, and that is we
are multi dimensional beings in a multiverse. And those words
may roll off our tongue rather adroitly today, but one
hundred years ago they did not. But Casey talked about
the fact that our soul was multi dimensional. In my
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father's house, there are many mansions. And so when he
talked about beings, human beings having experiences now and between lives,
he talked about the pleiatees. He talked about arcturis. He
talked about, you know, literally dwelling on planets, not in
the same physical body, but that you would engage these
planets Jupiter and Venus are touris, go to the plates
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because there was a certain vibratory pattern that your soul
needed to experience in order to evolve.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
It's incredible how ahead of his time he seems, because
these ideas are just now seeming to come into our world.
You know. He even linked the biblical sons of God
and the watchers to advanced luminous non earth entities who
interacted with early humans. Did you guys know anything much
about that?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Yeah, he was very biblical, and indeed that he took
the Bible into dimensions we don't usually go into, and
many of the scenes in the ancient Old Testament he
saw as living scenes in other dimensions. Amazing. In the
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breadth of his work, he always had some comment that
startled everybody listening to him while he was in trance.
Like one lady came to get a health reading and
he said, Oh, here's the soul who was in our
tourist last night, and she had no novel. I was
in New Jersey in my bed.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Wow, pretty incredible. It seems like a lot of this
stuff does seem to match up with our beliefs today.
Have you guys noticed that throughout all his work.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Well, yeah, I mean once again when I say he's
the pioneer, he really truly is the gold standard. I mean,
I love what Stephan Schwartz is, a Casey scholar, says
that Casey was the first remote viewer, that he really
demonstrated the whole notion which scientific materialism wants to hold onto,
that somehow correlation equals causation, that somehow this pulp between
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our ears is creating our consciousness, and Casey really blew
that apart well over one hundred years ago. I mean,
when you demonstrate that a near death experience or reincarnation
experience shows that our consciousness is not locally created. This
whole notion of non locality, which again I think in
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many ways is his secondhand to us today. Edgar Casey
was right at the forefront. And you know, I used
to like what Alan Turing said, a man who of
course broke the German code in the Second World War.
He said, once you start believing in telepathy, ghosts are
not far behind. And although Casey never used those words,
clearly when he talked about the fruits of psychic development,
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he was talking about telepathy, precognition, clairvoyance, psychokinesis and all
those other fruits. And once you step into that continuum,
which hopefully we'll get into in the next section, ron
you know, this opens up a whole universe where we
realize we're far more than this corporeal being.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
That it's incredible you say that, because I feel like
we're right at the cusp of that now, with Diane
Hennessy Paul and her telepathy tapes and some of these
things coming out, I think it's just around the corner
that people are going to realize that telepathy is a
real phenomenon, and then it's just to me like a
baby step. Well, if you can go from here to here,
then remote viewing, then after you know, it's sort of
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gonna almost like the floodgates could open. Huh.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Yeah, well I've got a theory about that. But I
know we're running short on time in this section, but
I really do want to address, you know, this continuum
of psychic phenomena, which again Casey was so adept at
demonstrating in his life and speaking of and basically telling
all of us this is the destiny of the human race,
this fifth root race that he talks about in some
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of his readings. This is the eventual psychic human which
bursts beyond the boundaries of three dimensional living. And really
we're starting to see that curtain is opening up, that
veil is being breached right now, and it's absolutely exciting.
And we at are of course, are addressing these things
on a daily basis. It's not just honoring our past
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with Edgar over one hundred years ago. It's where we're
going to from this place moving forward.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Awesome. I'm going to take a break right there when
we come back We're going to ask Christopher and John
about the consciousness aspects of how Casey looked at these
other beings in realms. You're listening to Beyond Contact on
the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.
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We are back on Beyond Contact. We'll speaking to Christopher
Naughton and John von Uchan as well. Guys. Casey's readings
often mentioned souls traveling through other planetary realms before incarnating
here on Earth. He described other planets, such as Mars, Venus,
Uranus all as spiritual planes or realms of existence rather
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than this physical world like ours. What did you make
of that?
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Exactly? He would open up a life reading versus a
health reading. He would open up life reading by exploring
the previous sojourns of their soul's experience in other parts
of this solar system, which he said was like a university,
but each planetary realm was a college within the university,
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and he explained that the astrological themes for those planets
fit the training center of that university. For Mars would
be the temperament and the energy, Mercury, the mind, Venus,
the art and arts, and so forth, and so he
would open it up by saying, oh, here's the return
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of someone who was in Jupiter and did a brief
sojourn in Venus on their way in.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah, that's where the astrological values that you know, we've
come to become very familiar with over thousands of years,
all those various values of the planets and of the
signs that astrologers have been preaching about for years. Again,
Casey takes it further. He says that as an entity,
you're taking sojourns. I mean, Casey's universe was mind numbingly large, huge,
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you know, again, more more stars than there are grains
of sand on the planet Earth, which again we can't
even begin to fathom. It's it's it's an infinite of course, but.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Those are new developments that are science just recently has discovered. Yeah, yeah,
pretty incredible. It's interesting to me how he definitely looked
at this phenomenon in terms of consciousness, even like soul based,
instead of strictly from a materialistic viewpoint. And this is
exactly what we see happening in the UFO community as
it moves in that direction. You guys have noticed that
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over the years, I'm sure right.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Well, what I'm seeing, you know, ron is kind of interesting.
I call it the continuum. So this is the continuum
of psychic experience. On one end of the continuum, you
have people jumping in. They want to improve their lives,
they want to have a you know, a track, a soulmate,
they want to become wealthy, they want to become peaceful,
so they jump in at that end of the continuum.
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On the other end of the continuum, you have some
of the bros who love to listen to the podcast
and they don't care about meditation or reincarnation, but they're
really interested in biologics and technology and nhi and that
sort of thing. But see, this entire continuum is connected
by all the psychic fruits. So when you talk about
people having experiences the third, fourth, or fifth kind, there's
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telepathy often involved. Their psychokinesis involved. So all of these
fruits of jumping into this psychic continuum, even if you're
going in because you're trying to find out about UFO
and UAP, really basically all those things I'll quote Jim
Vieira here is just a gateway drug to spiritual evolution,
you know, and it gets us into that continuum. So
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you know, on that one side of the continuum, women
more than men are looking for that piece that centeredness.
Men more than women are on the other side of
the continuum. But eventually they meet in the middle because
all of those psychic fruits connect both ends of that spectrum.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
In my fourteen years of doing this kind of thing,
I have really noticed that that it is all sort
of tied into that too. Like I really I didn't
pay attention to that aspect of this at all in
the beginning, but as you see, it does all kind
of fit in, and it all sort of ties in.
It's interesting the more you delve into this, you know.
Casey also had this motto of the mind is the builder,
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which really speaks to consciousness over technology, which is interesting
and it's in line with people like physicists like Max
Plank who said that you cannot get behind consciousness. This
is also echoed today in the UFO community. And I
think he even said that we would have future contacts
which would be more of a spiritual nature than a
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physical nature. Wow, right in line again, right. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
He felt we will be expanding into force the consciousness,
and sometimes he would open one of his trance readings
by saying to the patient that was questioning in oh my,
a fourth dimensional mind, How refreshing, how.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Great that he could spot such a thing.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
You know. Yeah, He explained that there was a collective
consciousness to which all minds are connected, and that he
could access them in his trance state because he had
moved into a universal consciousness. So when someone directed him
towards something, it was there, because it's all there in
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the collective singularity.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Sometimes, when when we look at this, you know, phenomena,
we realize that like Edgar Casey, for example, had a
number of near death experiences, and what we're finding a
lot of people claim to have had again close encounters
of the third, fourth, fifth, et cetera. Kind many of
those people have a near death experience. First, it's as
if it opens them up to a round that they
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had heretofore not been introduced to. So it moves, and
then it can be many years later, it can be
many many years later where all of a sudden, people
are having dreams or they're having contact, basically being introduced
to beings not of this planet, not of this earth. Now.
Casey never explained or said that he had any of
those personal non human intelligence introductions. But let's keep this
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in mind about Edgar Casey. He was so far ahead
of the curve. His life was odd and freakish enough.
In fact, they called him the Freak because he was
able to tap into yeah that they made a play
about it. That was an off Broadway play and it
was called the Freak, and he was called the Freak.
In fact, several times he wanted to step away from
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the talents he had shown with his readings because he
was so far outside the realm of mainstream Christianity, mainstream America.
But each time he stepped away. Twice in his life
where he stepped away, one of his family members had
had a horrid, you know, physical illness, and so he
had to go right back into it and tap into
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this incredible talent that he had. And you know, at
the beginning, you know, of showing these talents that he had,
it was often about holistic health. It was about healing
his fellow men. Of the fourteen thousand readings he gave,
some nine thousand of them are health readings for his
fellow men. But once he moved from Dayton, Ohio, to
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Virginia Beach in nineteen twenty five. Now his psychic powers
were on steroids. The source said, come to Virginia Beach.
There's something in the water here, There's something in the
mineral makeup here in Virginia Beach that's going to really
jack up your psychic, you know abilities. And that's when
all the readings about Atlantis and Egypt and the Hall
of Records and other lifetimes and yes, Fifth Route Race
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and other dimensional beings as well. So it really was
Virginia Beach that, you know, turned him on to that
next dimension.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
And he said Virginia Beach was seaport of a fourth
dimensional collective of spirituality coming through into this reality, and
so being here as a channel helped him a great deal.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Wasn't he the one who first said Virginia is for lovers?
Speaker 4 (19:15):
No, but he might as well have. Well, I got it. Well,
let me just say this, you know, Casey, I mean,
I think it's the heart chakra of the original thirteen Colonies.
And Casey talked about the fact that Washington, d c.
Was the heart chakra of the country. So yeah, maybe
(19:36):
there's something too that Virginia is for lovers, you know.
They try to get rid of that slogan and that
motto and whatever they came up with next never worked,
so it came back.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yeah. You know, do you think he was talking about
the multiverse when he was talking about this, You know,
it was a conscious based model where we all hold
these different vibration and he does seem to talk about
vibrational lessons right, that we manifest these to incarnate in
each at a certain vibration.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
He has a long what we call reading or discourse
on the concept of us being stellar, being star travelers
through different dimensions, and that your vibes allow you to
harmonize or sync into a dimension, grasp what it has
to give you, and then you can manifest it or
(20:25):
use it in other dimensions. It's a big, long, wonderful
reading explaining our abilities to tap into multiple dimensions.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Yeah, and long before Joni Mitchell or Crosby Stills a
Nash Edgar Kinsey said we are star beings, we are
star dust, you know. So there you go.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
It's it's incredible how his stuff really has kind of
trickled through all of society. When we come back, we're
going to ask Christopher and John about Atlantis in the
Atlantean ships, that Casey spoke of. If you're listening to
Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am
aaron A podcast network, we are back on Beyond Contact
(21:17):
speaking to Christopher and John here about Edgar Casey. Casey
also famously did readings on Atlantis, and those even specifically
mentioned incredible technologies crystal energy, levitating vehicles, ships in the air,
ships of the air, I think is the way he
said it. Do you think that these were physical ships,
perhaps like what we would call a UFO or was
(21:39):
this maybe metaphoric for like spiritual flight or psychic travel.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Well, I'm inclined to think it's kind of a blend
pre physical, but manifesting in a physical like form, such
as a thought form or a light form in that
manner physical. He mentioned the flying ships in the biblical
Ezekiel were actually descriptions of Atlantean ships that would fly.
(22:08):
And notice how Ezekiel described them as the spirit inside them.
If it rose, the vehicle rose. If the spirit moved down,
the vehicle moved. It could go fast or slow. And
in the ancient Hindu Ramayana, they have a whole section
talking about these vimanas of essence caused by a spirit
(22:31):
to move in physical and metaphysical they could actually go
beyond the physical realm.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Pretty fascinating to me how this stuff all kind of
circles back in the same thing, and these different disciplines
seem to have same sentiment throughout. To me, that's credibility
to it.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Yeah, And he made it so human like. For example,
he gave a fast life reading for a young woman
and said, oh, here's the fire altar Princess of Atlantis,
wonderful in that glorious age. And she said, well, I'm
ironing shirts in Ohio. This why right, right right? And
(23:09):
he he became friends with her, and he joked with her, well,
I'm giving readings for a few dollars and I used
to be the high priest in Egypt.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Hilarious. And yeah, that's what I heard too, that he
thought he was a scribe or something, or a high
priest in free Yeah. And you also say that some
of the Atlanteans escaped to Egypt and Yucatan and even
the Pyrenees or something before the final destructivalence.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
And also some went west and became the royal Iroquois,
the oldest Iroquois. Now, don't mix them up because the
Iroquois blended with a lot of other but the original
royal Iroquois, who were feminine dominant. I would go live
in my mother in all's camp. My mother in law
had it because feminine was dominant in Atlantis. By the way,
(23:58):
that is very strange in.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Case not only talked about Atlantis, I mean that other
lost continent that sometimes is not often referred to. It's
referred to as Lemuria or move I mean, Casey talked
about that lost continent that was in the Pacific. Atlanta's
of course in the Atlantic. And you know, except for
Plato and people like Francis Bacon, we really didn't hear
(24:19):
a whole lot about Atlantis. But when Casey comes down
the pike in the twentieth century, my god, we get
story after story after story about Atlantis and the high
technological advantages that they had created for themselves, including those
so called flying machines. But then also those were the
seeds of their destruction as well, because they had not
(24:41):
evolved in consciousness, in love and did not keep up
with the technology. And God, I can't imagine any kind
of parallels that we're experiencing today.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Well, I was going to just ask you specifically that
the way these a lot of these readings seem to
be about energy, crystal's levitation, even inter demension portals. Might
these correspond to some of the technologies we had or
have now, like even maybe zero point energy or quantum
field manipulation. These kind of things seem to sort of
(25:12):
fit to what he was saying. Or do you again,
do you think it's maybe more metaphor.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
No, you're right, No, you're right. He mentions that souls
that were of the higher skill levels in Atlantis and
Lemuria were reincarnating now again bringing with them an innate understanding,
and they were going to resurrect these powers and abilities,
and hopefully this time we didn't abuse them like we
(25:40):
did back then.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Well didn't He actually warn us that technology and ego
was with destroyed Atlantis, and today we're facing these problems
of AI getting out of control, quantum weaponry, maybe the
militarization of UFO technology. Who knows. Do you think history
could repeat itself if you know, our technology or even
our hubris grows out of control.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
You know, we had Danny she and at Are just
a few weeks ago, and of course Danny's at the
very at the very forefront of the disclosure project. And Ron,
I know that you've interacted with Dan as well, and
you know the whole thing about delving into the realm
of UFO and UAP. Certainly for me, you know, as
the CEO here at Ari, if it doesn't have the
(26:22):
spiritual component, I'm really not much interested. I got to
tell you. I mean, I did a radio program for
well over twenty years on NPR and AM stations, et cetera,
and never once at that time did I bring up
UFO UAP because I always saw it in a separate silo.
Now I've evolved to the point where it's a holy cow,
it's part of the continuum. In fact, you know, our
(26:45):
our investigation, our soul evolution, demands that we take a
look at UFO UAP, the the orbs that a Christopher
Bledsoe can summon on command. I mean, this is a
very exciting time to be a lot And these are
the times that Edgar Casey predicted. Now, despite what you
see on YouTube about Edgar Casey's predictions for twenty twenty five,
(27:08):
here we are zero, okay. And if they make for
fabulous clickbait, somebody's getting rich on that stuff. But at
the same time, we know full well that Casey said
the choice has ever been ours. Yeah, he made predictions,
but he always said that free will superseded that. So
whether he talked about the beginnings of World War one,
(27:28):
world War two, the crash of the stock market, it's
almost as if Casey saw the concrete solidifying, but it
wasn't solid yet, and we always had free choice, and
so yeah, those choices are here today now. I say, Ron,
I'm kind of encouraged, at least when I look at
what's happened in Montana and other places over the years.
(27:49):
If it looks like we're ready to set off World
War three, I understand from what I can tell. You know,
a UFOUAP and non human intelligence is there to allow
to evolve on our own. But if we think we're
going to tear a hole in the universe, we got
another thing coming. So that's all part of the picture.
And yes, Atlantis did that and we must learn from that.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
They said that about the hydron collider too, right, that
that would cause a black hole and take care of
the whole universe right there. Yeah, And your view is
he is he describing these extraterrestrial intelligences. Do you think
it was states of higher consciousness or more like the
modern experiences that we interpret as quote unquote alien.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
I think it's both, John, don't you?
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's both. And also it's a vibrational
manifestation of a mind, a thought projection of an entity.
And there are many different entities at different levels of
vibration and awareness. It's not as homogeneous as we would
like to think. And we're going to meet them or
(28:53):
have been meeting them, and according to Sitchens writings, we've
been meeting them from ancient tome and we just describe
it in the odd ways that make it fantasy like
when actually it was real, it was actually happening.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
John Tygen what you said earlier. I feel like recently
I've heard how some people are saying that these alien
beings are also part of the afterlife.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Oh yes, oh yeah, Well in the afterlife, you and I,
as physically as we are, we are freer in the
afterlife because our soul, in our deeper mind are subconscious.
Super conscious is released from physicality and three dimensions, and
so communication with entities, ghost, spirits, loved ones, other dimensions
(29:42):
is much easier and accessible because when Edgar went into trance,
he did this little technique to go into trance, he
actually left his body and personality behind. He reached up
into the infinite and then someone would say, tell us
about and it was there instantly because he was in
(30:04):
that collective. Could I talk with so and so? And
he said, yes, they're in the seventh dimension and I
can bring them to you. You know, it was shocking
how fast life really is and multiple dimensions of activity
and all the infinity eternal is. We are just starting
(30:24):
to get back in touch with it.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
At the same time. You know, neither Edgar Casey nor
really the are really trumpeted that out for years. Why
it was just too strange, It was too far ahead
of its time. And I think, you know, Casey opened
up that world and teased us a little bit. We're
giving us three or four really salient stories and then
a number of other stories that are contiguous are on
(30:47):
the periphery of that. But the whole notion was this
guy was a Christian who grew up in the South,
and he had overcome racism, and he had to overcome
Christian fundamentalism. And when stuff like reincarnation came through him.
At first, it freaked him out, and so you had
to understand that this was like, okay, whatever beings were
helping him along, it's like, okay, we're gonna help dispense
(31:09):
this information in a temperate, sober manner as much as possible,
because guess what is going to blow your minds. It's
far beyond Jesus is your savior. Check the box and
that's all there is to the universe.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
And seventy years later and I could barely get my
head around it. You know, probably going to be even
more in the future. So when we come back, we're
gonna ask Christopher and John about the acashic record that
Edgar Casey was tapping into to get this information. John
just touched on it. You're listening to Beyond Contact on
the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.
(31:55):
We are back on Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron talking
to Chris and John about Edgar Casey. Guys. One thing
that I always have associated with Edgar Casey, I think
it was Helena Blovitski. Is that who the idea of
the akashoy Yes, and then you know the non physical
library of all universal events and thoughts sort of recorded.
(32:15):
Can you guys explain what you thought? You know what
that was from Casey's perspective.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
He explained it as an infinite universal consciousness expressing individual
free willed consciousnesses, and anything they thought or did makes
an impression on the universal and he could read it.
People would come to him and say, I had this dream.
(32:40):
Could you help me interpret it? And they would tell
him like a two sentence thing, He said, oh, you
missed most of the dream, and he would repeat the
whole dream to them and they would say, where did
you get this? And he said, your subconscious made an
impression on the collective consciousness. Yeah, it was a natural
thing for him that they collectives was impressed by every
(33:03):
individual mind, not only their actions, but their thoughts, and
he could read thoughts. You know, I was only eighteen
when I read that, and it freaked me out so bad.
I was a mess for a couple of years till
he said, new thoughts overshadow old thoughts, and I was
saved because my teenage thoughts were not exactly ideal.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Even hearing you guys describe that right there, John, Do
you guys think the idea of this long standing record
could in any way support the new idea of the
simulated universe.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
I certainly do. I mean, you know, it makes you
sit and take pause, because really, the Akashak records were
beyond space and time. They existed at the speed of light.
You know, why should we be so surprised? It was
Uncle Albert Einstein who said to us, hey, time and
space are illusions, albeit subbern ones. So the scientist and
(33:58):
the quantum physicist I kind of got there. In fact,
it's amazing how scientifically material we've been for the last
one hundred years. When you think about the quantum physicists
in the nineteen thirties and forties, we're talking about consciousness
as fundamental. But yes, when you think about Casey talking
about the Kashak records as being timeless and being beyond
(34:19):
time and space, my god, what dimensions does that put
us into? And where you know, and where is existence
at that point in time? Is it a simulation? I
think you could make that argument very interesting.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
How do you feel this Akashak record idea ties into
Carl Jung's idea of the collective unconscious perfectly?
Speaker 5 (34:39):
It's perfect. There's one nuance to Jun Jun had it
kind of a physical body connected, and Casey kept it
in the mind more. But I see the blend, and
many of Jung's teachings are mind expanding and help us
to understand Edgar Casey these far out ideas and concepts.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
I don't know if I can make this connection, but
I'll try sometimes. When I've heard from those who have
had near death experiences, are those people like Raymond Moody
and Paul Perry and others who have studied near death
experience is almost all in talk about going through a
life review, and in that life review, you go through
every single second of your lifetime. And not only do
(35:23):
you go through each and every second through your seventy
eighty one hundred years, you not only feel your feelings,
you get the feel the feelings of the people that
you interacted with. You talk about multitudinous grains of sin
on you know, on the planet, this is your life.
When I think about that, I think about again the multiverse.
I think about multitudinal experiences getting outside time and space.
(35:46):
And again that's what the Acostak records are. So if
it I mean, and that's why I kind of pair
it with a life review, because in some ways you
can sense this is a record of your own life,
and it's you know, it's infinite, incredible.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Casey predicted that humanity would rediscover this lost knowledge and
reawakening psychic awareness in the twenty first century, leading to
a reunion of higher beings who guide us in our
spiritual evolution. Well, here we are, we're in the twenty
first century. Do you think that the beings he's referring
to here are what we might call alien?
Speaker 5 (36:20):
Zachariah Sitchen and I used to debate that often, and
I used to joke with him all of that, these
ancient aliens you're talking about, zachar they were us. We
were in those dimensions, and now we're down into a
finite focus in the third dimension, and you and I
are debating a concept that we once lived. Yeah, I
(36:45):
think we have a great role in it. But I
will say this. Edgar said, not every soul has had
the three dimensional Earth experience, And he did give a
reading for one soul who said he's only incarnated here
four times, when most people incarnade here many multiple times.
He didn't belong to this dimension, so he only visited
(37:07):
four times. He belonged to another dimension. So it's really vast,
the explanation and the possibilities. It's just amazing.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
At the very least, our consciousness sounds like it'll survive death.
All of these guys seem to agree on that. You know,
it's incredible that Edgar Casey is one of these legendary guys.
But thank god, in this unique case, we have all
this record. We have fourteen thousand of these. It's amazing
they even thought to record them. I just I think
(37:40):
about it. I think thank god they did, because there's
probably been plenty of other people that have had insights
that it wasn't recorded, and that's lost the time.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Again, Casey was again different than spiritualists because he said
he wasn't channeling you know, any entity. On occasion he
did that, but I was so rare. He was always
saying his higher channel is higher self. That access to
the Akashak records, that's where it began and ended. And
so that's why we get this fascinating information that is
(38:08):
poured through this man, including again other peoples and other
races on other planets and other dimensions and one thing
ron that we haven't touched on yet. But he also
talked about the fact that there were classes of people
that existed elsewhere that were not as warlike as we
are here in our portion of the universe. So, despite
(38:31):
some of the baleful experiences some people have had when
they've interacted with non human intelligence, most of it has
been by and large, very very positive in some way,
in some cases has had amazing healing properties involved with it.
We would like to think that most, if not all,
but certainly most, we would hope of our experiences of
(38:52):
interacting with these other beings, which may happen sooner than
we think, are going to be positive experiences. You know,
last week I was in Arizona and I was giving
a talk before folks who were very much interested in
the Casey readings. And at one point in time in
my discussion, I said, so, how many of you out
there think that UFO and UAP have been here or
(39:14):
will be here at some point in time. One hundred
percent of the people raise their hand. I said, how
many of you think that there's going to be or
has been, or there's going to be something such as
first contact? Ninety percent of the people raise their hand.
I said, how many of you think that first contact
is going to happen in your lifetime. And you know
eighty five to ninety percent of those people raise their hands. Now, again,
(39:36):
these are not ufologists. These are not people maybe following
the congressional hearings or maybe even listening to some of
the many shows that are out there. But these are
people died on the world, people who are trying to
improve their lives spiritually, and they're telling you, Yep, I
think it's going to happen, and it's going to happen
in my life.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
I'm knee deep in this community, and I don't think
it's going to happen in my lifetime. What there are,
of course, people in this community that believe they've already
had this contact, So it may be happening. I just
don't see it on the world stage. I don't see
the President doing a big d disclosure.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
That wouldn't be the point, right, right, you know, they're
not going to appear on the White House lawn, right.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
You know.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
I think part of this entire equation, and this gets
into the spiritual evolution that Danny Shean and I and
John we're talking about, it's not you know, a decision
on their part, if you will, it's when are we
going to be ready? What is our What do we
have to have in our vibratory pattern that will allow
those races of beings to come and show themselves. It's
(40:42):
up to us to move in that direction.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Well, there are people out there, like doctor Stephen Greer
for example, that say we need to get up to
like whatever it was one percent. I think of us
raising our vibrational level of consciousness to understand this. That'll
be enough to make it happen.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
Yes, it is, it is, and it's only to get
more fascinating as time goes on.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Here we are eighty years in and this guy is
still extremely relevant. And I think you guys are doing
an amazing job. Obviously, it's fascinating stuff. I really appreciate
you taking the time to talk to us today. Thanks
a lot for coming on. And you guys can find
out more about these two gentlemen at Edgarcase dot org.
Everything about the are is on there. You can find
me on Twitter and Instagram at CD Underscore Captain Ron.
(41:28):
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