June 14, 2025 • 18 mins
Guest host Rich Berra and psychic medium Mark Anthony explore the fears and superstitions surrounding Friday the 13th, how the number 13 became unlucky from Judas at the Last Supper to architects not including 13th floors in buildings, plus his psychic investigation of a haunted mental hospital.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. I'm your host,
Rich Beryl. Let's talk about our guest here, Mark Anthony.
He is the psychic Lawyer. He's a fourth generation psychic
medium who communicates with spirits. He is an Oxford educated
attorney who has tried over one hundred jury trials and
is licensed in Florida, Washington, c and has spoken before
(00:27):
the Supreme Court, which I think is also cool. He's
called the psychic Explorer as well, and that is due
to his extensive background in science, quantum physics, survival of consciousness,
near death experience, history, archaeology, philosophy, and theology. What a
pleasure to meet you, Mark Anthony. Hey, thanks for spending
some time with us tonight on Coast to Coast AM.
(00:49):
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Thank you, Rich, thanks for having me on. It's great
being back. And you know, you brought up something earlier
about Friday the thirteenth, And yes, we do want to
avoid the political but there really kind of is something
about Friday the thirteenth, because it was in the early
hours of Friday, June thirteenth, three thirty am Tehran time,
(01:10):
when Israel launched its offensives. So once again, Friday the
thirteenth rears its very conspicuous.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Head on the world stage. Where did the Friday the
thirteenth start getting it? Its? What the lore behind it?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Well, there's a lot of background on the number thirteen.
So if it's okay, I'd like to start there.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, that's what we're here for you for. Let's go okay.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Twelfth has always been considered a number of great balance,
and thirteen was considered irregular and upsets the balance of nature.
And the earliest anomaly related to the number thirteen rich
comes from the Code of Hammurabi. Now, Hammurabi was a
king that ruled in a rock around seventeen ninety BC.
(02:07):
All right, so we're talking almost four thousand years ago,
and the Code of Hammurabi is the first known set
of laws that were ever codified. They were carved into
this giant stone pillar and there was over two hundred
and eighty two rules which included fines and punishments for
you know, various infractions, various crimes. And out of between
(02:30):
one and two hundred and eighty two, there's one number
which is missing. Guess which one it is? Thirteen? You
bet it is. So archaeologists have been pondering this for
a long time and they're thinking, well, maybe a scribe
forgot to chisel it into the pillar, or was there
another reason? And then according to numerology, a numerology began
(02:54):
to emerge about the same time as astrology once again
in the Valley of the Two Rivers Mesopotamia, which is
now the country of Iraq, and twelve was considered a
number of completeness. There's twelve astrological signs, twelve months in
the year, twelve hours on a clock. In ancient Greece,
there were twelve main gods on Mount Olympus. Disciples, Yeah,
(03:19):
we're getting there, we're getting there.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
There was twelve.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
No, no, no, it's good because that means you're on
top of it and I love it. Now this brings
us to the Vikings. The Vikings considered thirteen an unlucky number,
and like the Greeks, they had twelve main gods. So,
according to Norse mythology, the twelve gods are having a
feast in their version of heaven, which is Valhalla. And
this was sort of a party for the young, handsome
(03:45):
god of light Balder, and at the parties for the
Norse gods, according to their legends, they would drink and
get a little bit violent, and Balder was immune to everything,
so he would stand there and the other gods throw
spears and knives and hatchets at him. They'd all bounce off,
and that was kind of the entertainment at a Norse
(04:07):
god party. But then the god of deceit, fire and magic, Loki,
shows up unannounced. Okay, so this brought the number two thirteen,
the uninvited, unlucky guest. Now, Loki also knew that Balder's kryptonite,
if you will, was missletoe, and Balder, according to Norse mythology,
(04:29):
was immune to everything but missletoe. And Loki trick the
blind god Hoder because the Norse gods had physical disabilities,
they weren't just you know, physically perfect, And he gave
Hoder a bow and arrow, and the arrow was tipped
with missletoe, and he shot it at Balder and it
killed him. And this is I mean, we can go
(04:52):
into a whole thing about missletoe. But according to Viking legends,
Balder rose from the dead on the third day. That's
very interesting because he descended to the underworld and then
rose on the third Day. And this predates Christianity by
a good thousand years.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
And I'm not whoa, I did not know that story.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, and so now Christianity comes onto to the world scene,
and this brings us to the Last Supper. And in
Judaism there were twelve tribes of Israel, and in Christianity,
at the Last Supper there was Jesus in his twelve apostles,
but that brings the number to thirteen. And Judas, who
(05:39):
is considered the thirteenth person there because he was also
the first to leave so that he could betray Jesus,
carried the stigma of the number thirteen. So this gave
rise rich to early Christian beliefs related to the Last
Supper that you must not have thirteen people seated at
a table because if he do, one will die within
(06:02):
a year. So as as Christianity took root within Europe,
it came into conflict, if you will, with the pre
Christian beliefs in Europe, and one of them was the
Wiccan faith or you know, the Celtic religions and witches
(06:27):
witches which is a group of women and sometimes men.
You know, warlocks can also be called witches. There are
thirteen witches in a covin. All right, So this may
seem irrational, but in our modern day, most cities don't
have a thirteenth street. Many hotels don't have a thirteenth
floor because people.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I'm glad you brought that up, because as a kid,
my mom worked in a department store in Saint Louis,
and that was the first time that I'd been to
a building and noticed that there was no thirteenth floor.
And I think, maybe being five or six, I think
that was the first time I'm like, oh, these people
are serious about not having thirteen. That is that I'd
(07:09):
heard it before, but that was the first like visual
in modern life where I'd ever seen it. So every
time I am in a building anywhere, it's like, it
still fascinates that me that even now in modern day,
we don't usually do a thirteen floor in a building.
Oh you know.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
In fact, Otis Elevators reports that eighty five percent of
its elevator panels omit the number thirteen. I mean, it's
a tripe, but you know, and we can say, all right, well,
that's all primitive, but then again in the modern era,
of all the NASA manned missions to the moon, it
was Apollo thirteen that didn't make it.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Oh and yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Then again you know, I said, you know, Friday the
thirteen struck again today because it was Friday the thirteenth
in Tehran when this this new conflict started. But let's
on the flip side of the cosmic coin. Today is
Friday the thirteenth, which is also the feast day, or
(08:09):
rather the day of recognition of Anthony of Potawa and
in the Catholic faith, Saint Anthony of Pataua. He's one
of the major saints. He was a friend and colleague
of Saint Francis of Asisi and of Saint Clair DESSI know,
it's really interesting because I study psychic phenomenon, you know,
as part of what I do as a near death
(08:29):
and afterlife researcher, and all three of them exhibited what
we would now consider psychic abilities. Saint Anthony of Potua
was able to lecture in languages he never studied. So
the theory in metaphysical circles is that he was a
form of a channeler. In Britain we call this a
trance medium where he was.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Able to.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Take knowledge from another source that that was external to
his body. Long story short, Saint Anthony of Potua is
the patron saying of the poor. He is the patron
saying of people facing starvation. He's the champion of sailors, travelers,
the elderly and expectant mothers. And for those people who
are Catholic, if you lose something, you always ask Saint
(09:13):
Anthony to help you find it. So there is a
flip side to this as well. But for thousands of years,
the number thirteen out of all the other numbers, has
definitely had a stigma.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Oh for sure, the biggest of them all right up
there with the sixty sixty sixth number right, it's got
the same kind of power. It's interesting, Well, since you're
a psychic, you're probably the best person to answer this question.
I thought about it like this today before you came on,
because we talk about it being one of those days
where you know, the superstitions almost seem like they're at
the surface, the veil seems very thin. On Friday the thirteenth.
(09:56):
It kind of reminds me of when people are talking
about how mercury and retrograde that you don't make business deals.
You don't you know, I don't know, buy a house
or sign a big contractor do anything big because everything's
sort of backwards. Well I imagine that some people when things
are backwards can kind of thrive during that. So can
people thrive on a Friday the thirteenth too? Can it
(10:19):
be a lucky day?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Well?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
It can.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
But what's interesting is this phobia, this this frigatriska decaphobia,
which is fear Friday the thirteenth, and in Greek it's
paris gubi deca triphobia. But basically they're very long words
for the same same, same concept, which is fear Friday
the thirteenth. According to the late doctor Donald Dossey of
(10:45):
the Stress Management Center and Phobia Institute in Nashville, North Carolina,
between seventeen and twenty million Americans fear Friday the thirteenth.
They won't leave their house, they avoid normal routines, they
won't fly, and it's been estimated that every Friday the thirteenth,
rich American businesses lose nine hundred million in revenue because
(11:08):
people don't go out, they don't travel. It also takes
a hit on the stock market. Now there's an older study,
but it is interesting. Finance professors Robert Colby and Ricardo
Rodriguez did an analysis of stock market returns for thirty
nine different Friday the thirteenth, Okay, so from nineteen sixty
(11:30):
two up to nineteen eighty five. That's why it's an
older study. They compared the returns with the other oney
one hundred and forty one fridays in that same time period.
The result, returns for Friday the thirteenth were significantly lower
than the returns for all other Fridays over that same period.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Well, add today to the list too, right, because today
was down everywhere all Yeah, today was.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Down well because of the new conflict in the Middle
East once again, which started on Friday the thirteenth, the
markets took a pretty significant hit. But on the flip
side of the cosmic coin, studies have also shown that
because people have a reluctance to go out on Friday
the thirteenth, there are fewer car accidents, fewer fires, and
(12:15):
fewer thefts. So like everything, there's an upside and a downside.
But for those who are suspicious about numbers, it could
be basically a lot of people just don't want to
tempt Fate on Friday the thirteenth.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Let me tell you what a great guest you are.
I didn't even ask you about being a psychic lawyer,
yet we got right into Friday the thirteenth, Yeah, really did.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
So.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
We haven't had a chance to meet before this show,
but I have been doing my homework on you, and
I find you to be very fascinating now as it
turns out. Of course, because I'm an odd person, I
have lots of odd friends and a lot of them
make their careers being psychics. But you are a fourth
generation psychic, so this absolutely run through your family. And
(13:01):
I assume that your accuracy mark is probably very high.
But I do not have have I ever heard the
term psychic lawyer. Tell me about that real quick.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I was in New York City at a press Come Press.
It was like a conference and it was probably about
fifteen sixteen years ago, and some of the reporters there
heard that I was an attorney as well as a
psychic medium, so they started calling me the psychic lawyer,
and then that pretty much stuck. My brand technically is
(13:40):
Mark Anthony JD. Psychic Explorer. The JD is the jurisd doctor.
That's my law degree and the reason we adopt Psychic
Explorer because of my work as a near death experience researcher,
survival of consciousness researcher, ancient mysteries, supernatural phenomenon because I
(14:00):
have a whole wide array of things that I study
in the metaphysical and the unexplained. But you know, the
Psychic Lawyer certainly has been a very cool moniker and
I've been called in on a number of investigations and
cold cases. Recently, I appeared on a Discovery Channel show,
(14:23):
Destinations of the Damned, was Zach Began's, and I know
Zach has been on coast to coast a number of times.
He's a great guy who's really wonderful working with his team.
And we were investigating the Indiana State Sanatorium because it's
abandoned and we're filming at midnight or bats flying around.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
If that place isn't haunted, it ought to be, because
it looks.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Like it it really does. I mean, it's about as
creepy as it gets. And they brought me in along
with Gary Galka, who invented the spirit box, and Gary's
great guy, brilliant man electrical engineers. So they wanted me
because I'm a science based evanential medium and an attorney
because aside from all the tragic deaths that have occurred there,
(15:07):
and we can do the whole show just talking about this,
but it closed right after a supposed murder suicide, and
what I was getting vibrationally and spiritually was that it
was not a murder suicide, but a double homicide made
to look like a murder suicide to cover the tracks
(15:28):
of the real perpetrators. And when I was talking to
Gary Gary Galka, what he got through his readings with
his equipment coincided.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
With that, and I feel like that spirit box is
an actual working tool to pick up sort of what
remnants from things that have happened.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yes, the spirit box what it does is it scans
the electromagnetic frequency to find the right frequency to pick
up on voices of spirit. And in my book, The
Afterlife Frequency, that's my last book, I introduced the electromagnetic
soul theory, and so Gary and I were talking the
same language when it comes to electromagnetic spectrum, because my
(16:15):
theory is that our soul is pure electromagnetic energy and
when it leaves the body, it is a coherent quantum field.
But we're able to communicate with these coherent quantum fields.
And you know, some people say, well, that sounds very
very technical for a soul. That as my friend and colleague,
doctor Gary Schwartz and Professor Emeritis Ativersity of Arizona. Yeah,
(16:38):
he said that, let's look at He adopted the term
and other scientists have as well. They call it the EMS.
He said, well, let's look at electromagnetic soul and take
the word soul to stand for a source of universal love.
So yes, there is a technical explanation based on sound
scientific principles for the existence of the soul O spirit communication,
(17:01):
the afterlife near death experiences. But they're also we can't
negate love, which is energy and which is central to spirituality.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
It can be measured in a way it can.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
It can, And so what was really cool Gary was
picking up on stuff. But and I wish they would
have filmed this, but we were having lunch together. It
was on some free time, and he said, let me
show you how this works. And now, the reason Gary
invented the spirit box is his beautiful daughter Melissa died
(17:39):
under you know, tragic circumstances, and he's an electrical engineer,
and he said, I'm going to develop some technology to
be able to communicate with her. So he turns this
thing on and we're sitting there and all of a sudden,
I start hearing a couple of voices. It was my parents.
I heard my parents' voices come to you. This chills
(18:01):
and then yeah, and then all said, oh wait. I said, Gary,
I'm getting something. And I delivered a message to him
from his daughter and he said, oh my god. Nobody
knows that except me.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one am Eastern, and go to Coast to coastam dot
com for more
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. I'm your host,
Rich Beryl. Let's talk about our guest here, Mark Anthony.
He is the psychic Lawyer. He's a fourth generation psychic
medium who communicates with spirits. He is an Oxford educated
attorney who has tried over one hundred jury trials and
is licensed in Florida, Washington, c and has spoken before
(00:27):
the Supreme Court, which I think is also cool. He's
called the psychic Explorer as well, and that is due
to his extensive background in science, quantum physics, survival of consciousness,
near death experience, history, archaeology, philosophy, and theology. What a
pleasure to meet you, Mark Anthony. Hey, thanks for spending
some time with us tonight on Coast to Coast AM.
(00:49):
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Thank you, Rich, thanks for having me on. It's great
being back. And you know, you brought up something earlier
about Friday the thirteenth, And yes, we do want to
avoid the political but there really kind of is something
about Friday the thirteenth, because it was in the early
hours of Friday, June thirteenth, three thirty am Tehran time,
(01:10):
when Israel launched its offensives. So once again, Friday the
thirteenth rears its very conspicuous.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Head on the world stage. Where did the Friday the
thirteenth start getting it? Its? What the lore behind it?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Well, there's a lot of background on the number thirteen.
So if it's okay, I'd like to start there.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, that's what we're here for you for. Let's go okay.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Twelfth has always been considered a number of great balance,
and thirteen was considered irregular and upsets the balance of nature.
And the earliest anomaly related to the number thirteen rich
comes from the Code of Hammurabi. Now, Hammurabi was a
king that ruled in a rock around seventeen ninety BC.
(02:07):
All right, so we're talking almost four thousand years ago,
and the Code of Hammurabi is the first known set
of laws that were ever codified. They were carved into
this giant stone pillar and there was over two hundred
and eighty two rules which included fines and punishments for
you know, various infractions, various crimes. And out of between
(02:30):
one and two hundred and eighty two, there's one number
which is missing. Guess which one it is? Thirteen? You
bet it is. So archaeologists have been pondering this for
a long time and they're thinking, well, maybe a scribe
forgot to chisel it into the pillar, or was there
another reason? And then according to numerology, a numerology began
(02:54):
to emerge about the same time as astrology once again
in the Valley of the Two Rivers Mesopotamia, which is
now the country of Iraq, and twelve was considered a
number of completeness. There's twelve astrological signs, twelve months in
the year, twelve hours on a clock. In ancient Greece,
there were twelve main gods on Mount Olympus. Disciples, Yeah,
(03:19):
we're getting there, we're getting there.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
There was twelve.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
No, no, no, it's good because that means you're on
top of it and I love it. Now this brings
us to the Vikings. The Vikings considered thirteen an unlucky number,
and like the Greeks, they had twelve main gods. So,
according to Norse mythology, the twelve gods are having a
feast in their version of heaven, which is Valhalla. And
this was sort of a party for the young, handsome
(03:45):
god of light Balder, and at the parties for the
Norse gods, according to their legends, they would drink and
get a little bit violent, and Balder was immune to everything,
so he would stand there and the other gods throw
spears and knives and hatchets at him. They'd all bounce off,
and that was kind of the entertainment at a Norse
(04:07):
god party. But then the god of deceit, fire and magic, Loki,
shows up unannounced. Okay, so this brought the number two thirteen,
the uninvited, unlucky guest. Now, Loki also knew that Balder's kryptonite,
if you will, was missletoe, and Balder, according to Norse mythology,
(04:29):
was immune to everything but missletoe. And Loki trick the
blind god Hoder because the Norse gods had physical disabilities,
they weren't just you know, physically perfect, And he gave
Hoder a bow and arrow, and the arrow was tipped
with missletoe, and he shot it at Balder and it
killed him. And this is I mean, we can go
(04:52):
into a whole thing about missletoe. But according to Viking legends,
Balder rose from the dead on the third day. That's
very interesting because he descended to the underworld and then
rose on the third Day. And this predates Christianity by
a good thousand years.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
And I'm not whoa, I did not know that story.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, and so now Christianity comes onto to the world scene,
and this brings us to the Last Supper. And in
Judaism there were twelve tribes of Israel, and in Christianity,
at the Last Supper there was Jesus in his twelve apostles,
but that brings the number to thirteen. And Judas, who
(05:39):
is considered the thirteenth person there because he was also
the first to leave so that he could betray Jesus,
carried the stigma of the number thirteen. So this gave
rise rich to early Christian beliefs related to the Last
Supper that you must not have thirteen people seated at
a table because if he do, one will die within
(06:02):
a year. So as as Christianity took root within Europe,
it came into conflict, if you will, with the pre
Christian beliefs in Europe, and one of them was the
Wiccan faith or you know, the Celtic religions and witches
(06:27):
witches which is a group of women and sometimes men.
You know, warlocks can also be called witches. There are
thirteen witches in a covin. All right, So this may
seem irrational, but in our modern day, most cities don't
have a thirteenth street. Many hotels don't have a thirteenth
floor because people.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I'm glad you brought that up, because as a kid,
my mom worked in a department store in Saint Louis,
and that was the first time that I'd been to
a building and noticed that there was no thirteenth floor.
And I think, maybe being five or six, I think
that was the first time I'm like, oh, these people
are serious about not having thirteen. That is that I'd
(07:09):
heard it before, but that was the first like visual
in modern life where I'd ever seen it. So every
time I am in a building anywhere, it's like, it
still fascinates that me that even now in modern day,
we don't usually do a thirteen floor in a building.
Oh you know.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
In fact, Otis Elevators reports that eighty five percent of
its elevator panels omit the number thirteen. I mean, it's
a tripe, but you know, and we can say, all right, well,
that's all primitive, but then again in the modern era,
of all the NASA manned missions to the moon, it
was Apollo thirteen that didn't make it.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Oh and yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Then again you know, I said, you know, Friday the
thirteen struck again today because it was Friday the thirteenth
in Tehran when this this new conflict started. But let's
on the flip side of the cosmic coin. Today is
Friday the thirteenth, which is also the feast day, or
(08:09):
rather the day of recognition of Anthony of Potawa and
in the Catholic faith, Saint Anthony of Pataua. He's one
of the major saints. He was a friend and colleague
of Saint Francis of Asisi and of Saint Clair DESSI know,
it's really interesting because I study psychic phenomenon, you know,
as part of what I do as a near death
(08:29):
and afterlife researcher, and all three of them exhibited what
we would now consider psychic abilities. Saint Anthony of Potua
was able to lecture in languages he never studied. So
the theory in metaphysical circles is that he was a
form of a channeler. In Britain we call this a
trance medium where he was.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Able to.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Take knowledge from another source that that was external to
his body. Long story short, Saint Anthony of Potua is
the patron saying of the poor. He is the patron
saying of people facing starvation. He's the champion of sailors, travelers,
the elderly and expectant mothers. And for those people who
are Catholic, if you lose something, you always ask Saint
(09:13):
Anthony to help you find it. So there is a
flip side to this as well. But for thousands of years,
the number thirteen out of all the other numbers, has
definitely had a stigma.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Oh for sure, the biggest of them all right up
there with the sixty sixty sixth number right, it's got
the same kind of power. It's interesting, Well, since you're
a psychic, you're probably the best person to answer this question.
I thought about it like this today before you came on,
because we talk about it being one of those days
where you know, the superstitions almost seem like they're at
the surface, the veil seems very thin. On Friday the thirteenth.
(09:56):
It kind of reminds me of when people are talking
about how mercury and retrograde that you don't make business deals.
You don't you know, I don't know, buy a house
or sign a big contractor do anything big because everything's
sort of backwards. Well I imagine that some people when things
are backwards can kind of thrive during that. So can
people thrive on a Friday the thirteenth too? Can it
(10:19):
be a lucky day?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Well?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
It can.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
But what's interesting is this phobia, this this frigatriska decaphobia,
which is fear Friday the thirteenth, and in Greek it's
paris gubi deca triphobia. But basically they're very long words
for the same same, same concept, which is fear Friday
the thirteenth. According to the late doctor Donald Dossey of
(10:45):
the Stress Management Center and Phobia Institute in Nashville, North Carolina,
between seventeen and twenty million Americans fear Friday the thirteenth.
They won't leave their house, they avoid normal routines, they
won't fly, and it's been estimated that every Friday the thirteenth,
rich American businesses lose nine hundred million in revenue because
(11:08):
people don't go out, they don't travel. It also takes
a hit on the stock market. Now there's an older study,
but it is interesting. Finance professors Robert Colby and Ricardo
Rodriguez did an analysis of stock market returns for thirty
nine different Friday the thirteenth, Okay, so from nineteen sixty
(11:30):
two up to nineteen eighty five. That's why it's an
older study. They compared the returns with the other oney
one hundred and forty one fridays in that same time period.
The result, returns for Friday the thirteenth were significantly lower
than the returns for all other Fridays over that same period.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Well, add today to the list too, right, because today
was down everywhere all Yeah, today was.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Down well because of the new conflict in the Middle
East once again, which started on Friday the thirteenth, the
markets took a pretty significant hit. But on the flip
side of the cosmic coin, studies have also shown that
because people have a reluctance to go out on Friday
the thirteenth, there are fewer car accidents, fewer fires, and
(12:15):
fewer thefts. So like everything, there's an upside and a downside.
But for those who are suspicious about numbers, it could
be basically a lot of people just don't want to
tempt Fate on Friday the thirteenth.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Let me tell you what a great guest you are.
I didn't even ask you about being a psychic lawyer,
yet we got right into Friday the thirteenth, Yeah, really did.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
So.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
We haven't had a chance to meet before this show,
but I have been doing my homework on you, and
I find you to be very fascinating now as it
turns out. Of course, because I'm an odd person, I
have lots of odd friends and a lot of them
make their careers being psychics. But you are a fourth
generation psychic, so this absolutely run through your family. And
(13:01):
I assume that your accuracy mark is probably very high.
But I do not have have I ever heard the
term psychic lawyer. Tell me about that real quick.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I was in New York City at a press Come Press.
It was like a conference and it was probably about
fifteen sixteen years ago, and some of the reporters there
heard that I was an attorney as well as a
psychic medium, so they started calling me the psychic lawyer,
and then that pretty much stuck. My brand technically is
(13:40):
Mark Anthony JD. Psychic Explorer. The JD is the jurisd doctor.
That's my law degree and the reason we adopt Psychic
Explorer because of my work as a near death experience researcher,
survival of consciousness researcher, ancient mysteries, supernatural phenomenon because I
(14:00):
have a whole wide array of things that I study
in the metaphysical and the unexplained. But you know, the
Psychic Lawyer certainly has been a very cool moniker and
I've been called in on a number of investigations and
cold cases. Recently, I appeared on a Discovery Channel show,
(14:23):
Destinations of the Damned, was Zach Began's, and I know
Zach has been on coast to coast a number of times.
He's a great guy who's really wonderful working with his team.
And we were investigating the Indiana State Sanatorium because it's
abandoned and we're filming at midnight or bats flying around.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
If that place isn't haunted, it ought to be, because
it looks.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Like it it really does. I mean, it's about as
creepy as it gets. And they brought me in along
with Gary Galka, who invented the spirit box, and Gary's
great guy, brilliant man electrical engineers. So they wanted me
because I'm a science based evanential medium and an attorney
because aside from all the tragic deaths that have occurred there,
(15:07):
and we can do the whole show just talking about this,
but it closed right after a supposed murder suicide, and
what I was getting vibrationally and spiritually was that it
was not a murder suicide, but a double homicide made
to look like a murder suicide to cover the tracks
(15:28):
of the real perpetrators. And when I was talking to
Gary Gary Galka, what he got through his readings with
his equipment coincided.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
With that, and I feel like that spirit box is
an actual working tool to pick up sort of what
remnants from things that have happened.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yes, the spirit box what it does is it scans
the electromagnetic frequency to find the right frequency to pick
up on voices of spirit. And in my book, The
Afterlife Frequency, that's my last book, I introduced the electromagnetic
soul theory, and so Gary and I were talking the
same language when it comes to electromagnetic spectrum, because my
(16:15):
theory is that our soul is pure electromagnetic energy and
when it leaves the body, it is a coherent quantum field.
But we're able to communicate with these coherent quantum fields.
And you know, some people say, well, that sounds very
very technical for a soul. That as my friend and colleague,
doctor Gary Schwartz and Professor Emeritis Ativersity of Arizona. Yeah,
(16:38):
he said that, let's look at He adopted the term
and other scientists have as well. They call it the EMS.
He said, well, let's look at electromagnetic soul and take
the word soul to stand for a source of universal love.
So yes, there is a technical explanation based on sound
scientific principles for the existence of the soul O spirit communication,
(17:01):
the afterlife near death experiences. But they're also we can't
negate love, which is energy and which is central to spirituality.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
It can be measured in a way it can.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
It can, And so what was really cool Gary was
picking up on stuff. But and I wish they would
have filmed this, but we were having lunch together. It
was on some free time, and he said, let me
show you how this works. And now, the reason Gary
invented the spirit box is his beautiful daughter Melissa died
(17:39):
under you know, tragic circumstances, and he's an electrical engineer,
and he said, I'm going to develop some technology to
be able to communicate with her. So he turns this
thing on and we're sitting there and all of a sudden,
I start hearing a couple of voices. It was my parents.
I heard my parents' voices come to you. This chills
(18:01):
and then yeah, and then all said, oh wait. I said, Gary,
I'm getting something. And I delivered a message to him
from his daughter and he said, oh my god. Nobody
knows that except me.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one am Eastern, and go to Coast to coastam dot
com for more
The Best of Coast to Coast AM News
Host
George Noory
Popular Podcasts
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
Ridiculous History
History is beautiful, brutal and, often, ridiculous. Join Ben Bowlin and Noel Brown as they dive into some of the weirdest stories from across the span of human civilization in Ridiculous History, a podcast by iHeartRadio.