October 29, 2024 • 18 mins
George Noory and paranormal investigator John Fraser discuss his encounters with spirits and poltergeists, his vampire investigations in Transylvania, and why people try to conjure ghosts.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
John Frasier is remember the council of the Society of
Psychical Research that was discovered and founded back in eighteen
eighty two, and he also sits on the Society Spontaneous
Cases Committee. He was previously the Vice Chair of Investigations
of the Ghost Club and there are two oldest societies
(00:28):
in the UK that investigate the paranormal phenomena. In addition
to conventional paranormal research, his topics of study have included
hypnotic regression and vampire folklore as well. His latest book
is called One Big Box of Paranormal Tricks, from Ghosts
to Poultergeist to the theory of just One Paranormal Power. John,
(00:51):
welcome back, Hello.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Hello George.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
It's a pleasure to be with you again. And I
do apologize the long title of the book.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
It seems to be a trait I have to be
fair of the paranormal perspectives.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Bit is because it is part of a series that's.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Gradually coming out and which people are giving their different
paranormal perspectives.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Mine's the second book out.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Has also been a book out by a psychologist and
psychic called Susan Plunked.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Well, that's one great title because I think people will
remember it once they grasped it.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
John, I sometimes struggle to him, I'm just about there.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Now, what do you mean by the first half of
the book, one big box of paranormal tricks?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Well, we spooked a few years ago about a book
A Lot on poulter Geis, in which I'd found a
was basically a correlation between ghosts and paul to guys,
you didn't get one without the other. And then lockdown
came and I had far too much time on my
(02:03):
hands to think, and I started to think about whether
this concept could be extended beyond.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Just posts and Poltergeists.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I mean, when you think about it, we've got so
many different types of paranormals and so many types of angles,
from occultism to witchcraft and black magic, white magic, spiritualism, pororter.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Guys, shamanism and salon And.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Do we really are these really just different ways of
talking about the same thing.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
I mean, if we're ever.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Going to make the paranormal the slightest bit scientific I mean,
scientists do not usually present about fifteen different series at once.
Newton didn't have a separate theory about apple gravity and
(03:07):
then experimented with a banana if they existed, and then
had banana gravity. So I'm kind of wondering whether we're
all getting into o owned little niches in the paranormal
and whether there's an interrelatedness of nearly all paranormal phenomena.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Well, that's a good point as well. How did you
come up with all these incredible ghost stories?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
How did I come up with all these incredible ghost stories? Well,
being on the Spontaneous Case Cases Committee of the of
the Society for Psychical Research.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Didn't do any harm.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
We get contacted all the time by people with interesting tales.
That's something I got into in an early age and
basically have investigated ever since. The good stories come to me, thankfully.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
What are your thoughts these days, John, on just the
way that people view ghosts and poltergeists.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I'm a little worried these days because a lot of
people investigate them and as demonologists.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Now, if you go into.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
A haunted building with people that are probably a bit
disconcerted anyway, and say hello, I'm your local demonologist, and
I'm coming to help you. You will probably freak the
entire family of occupants out. It's a very belief led
(04:53):
way of investigating that kind of puts the answer before
the question. And little bit worried that people are approaching
the subject in such a doctrinarial way. By are no
means all investigators, But I mean, there are some famous
demon all the disks around, and they probably should turn
(05:20):
down their name a little bit.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
John, Have you ever been on a ghost investigation and
you asked yourself what am I doing here? Now?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Probably yes, But on the other hand, that's probably part
of the fun.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
I mean, in my earlier days, I used.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
To deliberately try to set out to go to scary places.
I ended up, in this particular state placed Sandred Cottage
Wound Cottage in the north of Scotland, four miles away
from the nearest road or by myself, you know, thought
it was a thing to do, and I'm cut off
(06:03):
there to light flooting white objects around me, which I
eventually identified as sheep in the hill. So I suppose
there was a sense that stage of thinking what am
I doing there? But on the other hand, ghost hunting
is romantic. It's supposed to be sending little shivers down
(06:26):
your spine, and if you're not thinking what am I
doing there? At some point, you're probably not really in
love with the find finding out about the Unknown John.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Is a ghost different from a poltergeist?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I tend you'd get a different answer from every paranormal
investigator you ask, But I tend to say no, they're
they're almost certainly different, different phenomena from whatever the cause is.
Most ghost stories that are just appositions, at least this
(07:08):
side of the Atlantic, tend to be romantic legends that
are probably never ever actually seen. The ones that tend
to be active tend to have portagost phenomena attached. Good
example being the very famous one we have up in
(07:31):
Pontifact that's known as a Black Monk of Pontifacts.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Certainly not a black monk.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Somebody saw a shadowy figure, but we do get attached
to that is, all kinds of portugost activity from pools
of what are showing to possibly a young lady named
dragged up the staircase. So I tend to say no,
they are almost certainly they're a huge overlap.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
You've been to Transylvania looking for vampire information and folklore.
Did you come across anything?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I came across a I didn't come across a gentleman
in a white in a black cape. Unfortunately, I did
stay at the castle Dracula Hotel were actually invited by
the people that invented Dracula tourism in communist times.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
But what I've found by talking to them and other
people is if.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
You look at a lot of tales that they would
kind of put into the little box of being vampiric.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
But probably just poltergeist cases.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
They make the same sort of wraps and bangs and
pots and pans go flying around, So it's probably just
their own cultural way, coming from a different culture of
explaining something really weird going on, which is why we
get into one big box of powermanormal tricks. I mean,
(09:06):
do we want really want to add vampires to the
long list I gave you earlier?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Have you ever come across a vampire in real life?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Not as far as I'm aware.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
But you'd never know, right.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
You never know, as as I said. As I said,
it's probably just the Eastern European way of talking about portergeist.
So I probably if I've come across a porter geist.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
It's probably just a.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Cousin of our old friend, the vampire. I mean, we
don't have many vampire tales in England or in America,
actually I don't think, not not real ones anyway. So
I have met the people involved in the Highgate vampire
(10:08):
Taiale that was created huge breath, huge press in the
UK in the nineteen seventies. But even a gentleman I
spoke to, a gentleman called David Barrant believed in the
end it was just a ghost.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And what does your gut tell you.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
My gut tells me there are no vampires that go
into coffins apart from at Halloween, that is the exception.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Do they bite people, however, and draw blood?
Speaker 4 (10:42):
No, I was looking there.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
There are no vampires as of the way Bram.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Stuck about them.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I mean Bram hadn't even been to Transylvania. He found
a point in the map that he called the Borgo
which was the Borgo Pass, which he rather hooked was
craggy and full of cliffs. It's actually a wonderful alpine hill.
(11:13):
And he created our concept of vampires. The real concept
of vampires is very different, and it is probably, as
I say, just the Romanian and Greek and other Eastern
European culture's ways of talking about strange, unexplained events.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Which are probably Portugeuist. So some other type of power, noormal.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
There was an English goalkeeper by the name of Peter Barnetti.
He passed away four years ago. You highlight him in
your book.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Tell me why, because my I'm glad you're do any
persons have asked me about that one. That's great because
my book is a meditation. It's a theory of what
I've just one paranormal power, but it's really a meditation
(12:14):
on the subject, and it's a meditation of the fact
that we.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Need something in life.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
To make it important to us.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
And I kind of.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Half jokingly mentioned during the book that I was either
going to be a paranormal investigator or a goalkeeper when
I was young. But I at the age of about thirteen,
I was about five foot seven, which is a good height,
and at the age of eighteen, I was barely five
(12:48):
foot eight, so I could never quite become a goalkeeper.
And to be honest, he was my childhood's hero. And
I was kind of reflecting on the act that we
should have an interest in the bigger things in life,
and that would have been my alternative to paranormal investigating.
(13:12):
Also like like like me, he was a guy that
could have could do brilliant, t acrobatic state things and
also make the odd very bad mistake. So kind of
it was kind of a playoff on what I would
have been doing had I not been paranormal investigator.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Well with John Fraser paranormal investigator, we're talking about his
latest book that just came out called One Big Box
of Paranormal Trip Tricks, from ghosts to Poulder guys to
the theory of just one paranormal power. What is that
one paranormal power?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
John, I'm going to really disappoint you and and and
your listeners.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
If I did, I would be I would be even
uh you know, I would be probably on your show
every week.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Now.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
In my book, I I mean, I mean, you're sure
it's about what all these strange things happening. If we
had the answer, we probably it probably it would become
science and would probably have to move on.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
To something else. Now in the in the.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Book, I speculate or hypothec hypothecate that it appears to
be more likely or not to be something internal within
us rather than something external, such as a disembodied spirit.
One of the reasons I come out with that very
(14:45):
tentative conclusion is because the a when there is portugeist
activity or USO activity, or any type of activity, it
can't usually make a lot of sense. If people are
trying to communicate with us from outside us, you know,
(15:10):
be it from another life or another dimension, they don't
do it particularly well. Quick example, you're your listeners are
probably aware of the famous Enfield case in the UK.
It was it was used as a as a sort
(15:34):
of story for one of the Conjuring movies, quite adapted
quite a lot now. It It had a girl that
was possessed by an elderly man, but the elderly man
who possessed the girl kept asking questions about periods and menstruation. Now,
(15:55):
if you're an elderly man that suddenly managed to possess
a girl, would you be asking questions about periods and menstruation.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
It's a little weird. It's a little weird.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
It would be a very weird elderly man, very normal
for a twelve or thirteen year old guild ask questions
like that when she was in a sort of plant state.
That very weird for an elderly man. There's so many
cases like that where the level of communication is so infantile.
I tend to think it is something within our subconscious.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
In terms of conjuring up ghosts, did a lot of
people try to do that?
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Not as many as there should be.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
I mean, the best example.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Of that was the Philip experiment in the early nineteen seventies,
when a group of Canadian parapsychologists tried to conjure up
a spirit, an imaginary spirit known as Philip.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
They give them an identity. He was a cavalier.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
His wife had committed suicide when.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
She realized he had a mistress.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
You know, your typical ghost story now, but it didn't
actually appear. But while they were talking about him, they
suddenly found that objects started to move and portugueze activity
started to appear. And I kind of think, even though
(17:39):
that's one of the few experiments that I've gone down
those lines, what we do when we either go and
move into a new house or possibly after a bereavement,
is get ourselves into that same sort of state of
mindset state of expectancyossibly high, a state of consciousness where,
(18:03):
in effect, you can possibly create your own ghost or poltergeist.
I wouldn't recommend you necessarily try it at home, but
if it can be done by a group of people,
is that not possibly what is happening spontaneously as well
(18:26):
under particular types of circumstances.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
John Frasier is remember the council of the Society of
Psychical Research that was discovered and founded back in eighteen
eighty two, and he also sits on the Society Spontaneous
Cases Committee. He was previously the Vice Chair of Investigations
of the Ghost Club and there are two oldest societies
(00:28):
in the UK that investigate the paranormal phenomena. In addition
to conventional paranormal research, his topics of study have included
hypnotic regression and vampire folklore as well. His latest book
is called One Big Box of Paranormal Tricks, from Ghosts
to Poultergeist to the theory of just One Paranormal Power. John,
(00:51):
welcome back, Hello.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Hello George.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
It's a pleasure to be with you again. And I
do apologize the long title of the book.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
It seems to be a trait I have to be
fair of the paranormal perspectives.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Bit is because it is part of a series that's.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Gradually coming out and which people are giving their different
paranormal perspectives.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Mine's the second book out.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Has also been a book out by a psychologist and
psychic called Susan Plunked.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Well, that's one great title because I think people will
remember it once they grasped it.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
John, I sometimes struggle to him, I'm just about there.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Now, what do you mean by the first half of
the book, one big box of paranormal tricks?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Well, we spooked a few years ago about a book
A Lot on poulter Geis, in which I'd found a
was basically a correlation between ghosts and paul to guys,
you didn't get one without the other. And then lockdown
came and I had far too much time on my
(02:03):
hands to think, and I started to think about whether
this concept could be extended beyond.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Just posts and Poltergeists.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I mean, when you think about it, we've got so
many different types of paranormals and so many types of angles,
from occultism to witchcraft and black magic, white magic, spiritualism, pororter.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Guys, shamanism and salon And.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Do we really are these really just different ways of
talking about the same thing.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
I mean, if we're ever.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Going to make the paranormal the slightest bit scientific I mean,
scientists do not usually present about fifteen different series at once.
Newton didn't have a separate theory about apple gravity and
(03:07):
then experimented with a banana if they existed, and then
had banana gravity. So I'm kind of wondering whether we're
all getting into o owned little niches in the paranormal
and whether there's an interrelatedness of nearly all paranormal phenomena.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Well, that's a good point as well. How did you
come up with all these incredible ghost stories?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
How did I come up with all these incredible ghost stories? Well,
being on the Spontaneous Case Cases Committee of the of
the Society for Psychical Research.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
Didn't do any harm.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
We get contacted all the time by people with interesting tales.
That's something I got into in an early age and
basically have investigated ever since. The good stories come to me, thankfully.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
What are your thoughts these days, John, on just the
way that people view ghosts and poltergeists.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I'm a little worried these days because a lot of
people investigate them and as demonologists.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Now, if you go into.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
A haunted building with people that are probably a bit
disconcerted anyway, and say hello, I'm your local demonologist, and
I'm coming to help you. You will probably freak the
entire family of occupants out. It's a very belief led
(04:53):
way of investigating that kind of puts the answer before
the question. And little bit worried that people are approaching
the subject in such a doctrinarial way. By are no
means all investigators, But I mean, there are some famous
demon all the disks around, and they probably should turn
(05:20):
down their name a little bit.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
John, Have you ever been on a ghost investigation and
you asked yourself what am I doing here? Now?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Probably yes, But on the other hand, that's probably part
of the fun.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
I mean, in my earlier days, I used.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
To deliberately try to set out to go to scary places.
I ended up, in this particular state placed Sandred Cottage
Wound Cottage in the north of Scotland, four miles away
from the nearest road or by myself, you know, thought
it was a thing to do, and I'm cut off
(06:03):
there to light flooting white objects around me, which I
eventually identified as sheep in the hill. So I suppose
there was a sense that stage of thinking what am
I doing there? But on the other hand, ghost hunting
is romantic. It's supposed to be sending little shivers down
(06:26):
your spine, and if you're not thinking what am I
doing there? At some point, you're probably not really in
love with the find finding out about the Unknown John.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Is a ghost different from a poltergeist?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I tend you'd get a different answer from every paranormal
investigator you ask, But I tend to say no, they're
they're almost certainly different, different phenomena from whatever the cause is.
Most ghost stories that are just appositions, at least this
(07:08):
side of the Atlantic, tend to be romantic legends that
are probably never ever actually seen. The ones that tend
to be active tend to have portagost phenomena attached. Good
example being the very famous one we have up in
(07:31):
Pontifact that's known as a Black Monk of Pontifacts.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Certainly not a black monk.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Somebody saw a shadowy figure, but we do get attached
to that is, all kinds of portugost activity from pools
of what are showing to possibly a young lady named
dragged up the staircase. So I tend to say no,
they are almost certainly they're a huge overlap.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
You've been to Transylvania looking for vampire information and folklore.
Did you come across anything?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I came across a I didn't come across a gentleman
in a white in a black cape. Unfortunately, I did
stay at the castle Dracula Hotel were actually invited by
the people that invented Dracula tourism in communist times.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
But what I've found by talking to them and other
people is if.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
You look at a lot of tales that they would
kind of put into the little box of being vampiric.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
But probably just poltergeist cases.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
They make the same sort of wraps and bangs and
pots and pans go flying around, So it's probably just
their own cultural way, coming from a different culture of
explaining something really weird going on, which is why we
get into one big box of powermanormal tricks. I mean,
(09:06):
do we want really want to add vampires to the
long list I gave you earlier?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Have you ever come across a vampire in real life?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Not as far as I'm aware.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
But you'd never know, right.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
You never know, as as I said. As I said,
it's probably just the Eastern European way of talking about portergeist.
So I probably if I've come across a porter geist.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
It's probably just a.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Cousin of our old friend, the vampire. I mean, we
don't have many vampire tales in England or in America,
actually I don't think, not not real ones anyway. So
I have met the people involved in the Highgate vampire
(10:08):
Taiale that was created huge breath, huge press in the
UK in the nineteen seventies. But even a gentleman I
spoke to, a gentleman called David Barrant believed in the
end it was just a ghost.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
And what does your gut tell you.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
My gut tells me there are no vampires that go
into coffins apart from at Halloween, that is the exception.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Do they bite people, however, and draw blood?
Speaker 4 (10:42):
No, I was looking there.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
There are no vampires as of the way Bram.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Stuck about them.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I mean Bram hadn't even been to Transylvania. He found
a point in the map that he called the Borgo
which was the Borgo Pass, which he rather hooked was
craggy and full of cliffs. It's actually a wonderful alpine hill.
(11:13):
And he created our concept of vampires. The real concept
of vampires is very different, and it is probably, as
I say, just the Romanian and Greek and other Eastern
European culture's ways of talking about strange, unexplained events.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Which are probably Portugeuist. So some other type of power, noormal.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
There was an English goalkeeper by the name of Peter Barnetti.
He passed away four years ago. You highlight him in
your book.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Tell me why, because my I'm glad you're do any
persons have asked me about that one. That's great because
my book is a meditation. It's a theory of what
I've just one paranormal power, but it's really a meditation
(12:14):
on the subject, and it's a meditation of the fact
that we.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Need something in life.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
To make it important to us.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
And I kind of.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Half jokingly mentioned during the book that I was either
going to be a paranormal investigator or a goalkeeper when
I was young. But I at the age of about thirteen,
I was about five foot seven, which is a good height,
and at the age of eighteen, I was barely five
(12:48):
foot eight, so I could never quite become a goalkeeper.
And to be honest, he was my childhood's hero. And
I was kind of reflecting on the act that we
should have an interest in the bigger things in life,
and that would have been my alternative to paranormal investigating.
(13:12):
Also like like like me, he was a guy that
could have could do brilliant, t acrobatic state things and
also make the odd very bad mistake. So kind of
it was kind of a playoff on what I would
have been doing had I not been paranormal investigator.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Well with John Fraser paranormal investigator, we're talking about his
latest book that just came out called One Big Box
of Paranormal Trip Tricks, from ghosts to Poulder guys to
the theory of just one paranormal power. What is that
one paranormal power?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
John, I'm going to really disappoint you and and and
your listeners.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
If I did, I would be I would be even
uh you know, I would be probably on your show
every week.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Now.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
In my book, I I mean, I mean, you're sure
it's about what all these strange things happening. If we
had the answer, we probably it probably it would become
science and would probably have to move on.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
To something else. Now in the in the.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Book, I speculate or hypothec hypothecate that it appears to
be more likely or not to be something internal within
us rather than something external, such as a disembodied spirit.
One of the reasons I come out with that very
(14:45):
tentative conclusion is because the a when there is portugeist
activity or USO activity, or any type of activity, it
can't usually make a lot of sense. If people are
trying to communicate with us from outside us, you know,
(15:10):
be it from another life or another dimension, they don't
do it particularly well. Quick example, you're your listeners are
probably aware of the famous Enfield case in the UK.
It was it was used as a as a sort
(15:34):
of story for one of the Conjuring movies, quite adapted
quite a lot now. It It had a girl that
was possessed by an elderly man, but the elderly man
who possessed the girl kept asking questions about periods and menstruation. Now,
(15:55):
if you're an elderly man that suddenly managed to possess
a girl, would you be asking questions about periods and menstruation.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
It's a little weird. It's a little weird.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
It would be a very weird elderly man, very normal
for a twelve or thirteen year old guild ask questions
like that when she was in a sort of plant state.
That very weird for an elderly man. There's so many
cases like that where the level of communication is so infantile.
I tend to think it is something within our subconscious.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
In terms of conjuring up ghosts, did a lot of
people try to do that?
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Not as many as there should be.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
I mean, the best example.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Of that was the Philip experiment in the early nineteen seventies,
when a group of Canadian parapsychologists tried to conjure up
a spirit, an imaginary spirit known as Philip.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
They give them an identity. He was a cavalier.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
His wife had committed suicide when.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
She realized he had a mistress.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
You know, your typical ghost story now, but it didn't
actually appear. But while they were talking about him, they
suddenly found that objects started to move and portugueze activity
started to appear. And I kind of think, even though
(17:39):
that's one of the few experiments that I've gone down
those lines, what we do when we either go and
move into a new house or possibly after a bereavement,
is get ourselves into that same sort of state of
mindset state of expectancyossibly high, a state of consciousness where,
(18:03):
in effect, you can possibly create your own ghost or poltergeist.
I wouldn't recommend you necessarily try it at home, but
if it can be done by a group of people,
is that not possibly what is happening spontaneously as well
(18:26):
under particular types of circumstances.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
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