February 3, 2025 • 16 mins
George Noory and Kathleen Ball PhD discuss The Knights Templar, Ark of the Covenant and the possibility of Jesus surviving the crucifixion and possibly having a bloodline that exists in the world today.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you,
Kathleen Ball with us here, Kathleen. The Templars were active
until thirteen twelve AD. What happened to them? What made
them stop?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Well, you know, many people know that they were They
were literally attacked and rounded up after a propaganda you.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Know, by the King Philip.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
The Fair in France spread a great deal of propaganda,
negative propaganda about the Templars prior to you know, trying
to splay public opinion before he went after the Templars.
And this took some time. But basically what happened in
twelve ninety two, you know, their goose is Penacook. They
(00:52):
they they lost Acker, they lost the Holy Land. All
the monarchs in your at that time were broke trying
to support these crusades, so they were all broke, the kings.
But the monarchs were pretty tired of this whole thing.
And the Templars came back and they really didn't fit,
(01:14):
you know, I mean, they had embedded themselves in the
monarchies and the administrative you know, workings of the monarchues.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
But they were in a precarious position because they weren't
being utilized as a militia or a military force anymore.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Really, that wasn't their primary purpose anymore. They had become
bankers and landowners, and they loaned a great deal of
money to the monarchs. And many of the monarchs in
Europe were jealous for one thing.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
They were jealous of.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
The power, and the Catholic Church was most definitely jealous
of their power. And they did not approve of the
country Portugal if they had put together, you know, protecting
all of these people that the Church considered heretics. So
you know, all of this kind of came to a
(02:09):
head when King Philip's affair was broke. You know, he
was dead broke. His father left him with nothing, There
was nothing in the coppers, and so he first he
got he rounded up all the wealth of the Jewish people,
and you know, and he ran them out of France.
(02:30):
And then that wasn't enough. He wanted more, and so
he went after the templars to try to take all
of their possessions, which, as we know from history, they
did not. They did not get a fold of most
of the wealth of the Templars. They were able, they
had some kind of heads up. From what I understand
(02:51):
and from the research that I've done, it looks like
they knew in advance. I think Jacques Dumree was going
to still try to negotiate with the Pope and with
Philip Affair because he had been you know, he had
been working with this men for a very long time,
so he had every reason to believe that he could,
(03:13):
you know, talk the situation through. But he did send
just in case. He did send many of his Templars
to law Rochelle, and they did smuggle the most of
the gold, most of the wealth of the Templars had
in France outside of the country, and I believe that
they sent it both up into Scotland and also down
(03:36):
into Portugal, and I think that a lot of it
found its way into Tomar, which was it was really
the stronghold of the Templars. And you know, it's really
interesting because everybody has focused so much energy time research
on France at being the primary country where the Templars,
(04:00):
you know, had their strongholds. But from everything that I
have researched, it really looks like France was more of
a front and Portugal was really their primary location where
the seat of power.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Was really held.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Tomar, you know the templars in Tomar, you know, they
had vast lambs, absolutely, the templars in Portugal, just the
whole country had vast lambs. I mean they owned they'd
almost owned the country. They ran the country, certainly. And
(04:39):
you know, after finding that port in Tunish and finding
out that they had this whole naval base and they
were traveling freely to other countries including South America, you know,
it leads me to believe that that really truly was
their primary stronghold was actually Portugal. But you know, given
(05:02):
their numbers and everything they had going for them, it
was not enough to turn back the wheels of the
propaganda that King Philips affair had set up. And so
you know, there were several hundred of them, thousands actually
by the time the whole thing was said and done,
that were rounded up and there were sent sent to
the dungeon in Dome and also in Chinon, France. And
(05:27):
then King Philip went after the other monarchs. He budied
up with the Catholic Pope at the time and put
pressure on the other monarchs to round up the Templars
and disband them in other countries as well. So you
know this. I just find it really interesting that the
propaganda was so powerful that he generated that it literally
(05:51):
destroyed an organization that at one time had probably close
to twenty twenty five thousand members across Europe and in
the Holy Land. So yeah, does I hope that answer
should questions.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Were they ever the guardians of the so called Arc
of the Covenant?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yes, they are, and from what I understand again after
many conversations with Timothy Hogan, who's the Grand Master of
the Templars, currently, there are several arcs of the Covenant.
Now I believe that they excavated one of these in
(06:32):
the Holy Land.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
And I believe and.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I also know that prior to going into the Holy Land,
the Templars traveled far and live. They went into Constantinople
which is now Istanbul. They were tracking down all of
the ancient esoteric belief systems and spiritual.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Culture and they were I believe.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Looking specifically for relics for the Arcs of the Covenant,
And from what I understand from Timothy, there are actually
ten arcs, and the Templars are aware of the location.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Of six of them.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
They say, there's one in a church in Ethiopia. You've
heard about that.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Oh, yes, yeah, yeah, that's one of the locations that
I intend to travel to as a matter of fact,
act soon. In Ethiopia. It's a small town and there
is a small temple there that has been protected by
a specific family for generations. One member of the family
(07:38):
each generation commits to protecting the arc that they say
is there, and they don't. They never leave the building,
they never go outside, they never interact with, you know,
with the people they spend They dedicate their entire life
to protecting this relic. And from one of them stands
(08:01):
it is also they move it when they feel that
it's in danger of you know, someone trying to take
it away from them. That it has been moved to
other locations periodically. So whether or not it's still in
that location, I really couldn't tell you. But that is
a location that I intend to to research myself. I'm
(08:26):
actually planning a trip to Theopia next year.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
So did you say earlier that Jesus may have fathered
a child through Mary Magdalene.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yes, it looks like they father he fathered two children
with Mary Magdalen, and she already had an existing child,
possibly from her marriage with John the Baptist. There are
three children from the research that.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I've uncovered, so there very well could be a bloodline
of Jesus on this planet.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, absolutely potentially. You know, if you think about three children,
one of them is you know, rich you have been married,
which later became the monarchs in France. And I have
reason to believe that that is true after traveling to
Saint baum myself and talking with you know, the people
(09:20):
at the monastery there, the monks of the monastery, the
kings in France. For hundreds of years, they made pilgrimages
back and forth to Saint Baume to have Mary Magdalene
blessed the fertility of their marriage. So you know, that
seems like a tremendous amount of effort for a lot
of different monarchs for a very long time if there
(09:42):
was nothing to it. But again, you know, we don't
have access to those records, so we can't really prove anything.
But if that is the fact, and then there were
two other children, if you just think about, you know,
the generations since that time, and we're talking to First
and Tree, potentially we could be there could actually be
(10:04):
several hundred million descendants at this point in time.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
That's amazing and incredible.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, if there could be, there actually could be.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Tell us why England is so significant to the Templars agenda.
I beg your pardon England? Why is it so important?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Do I know of any specifically?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Why is England so important to the Templars agenda?
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Well, I'm sorry, George, I'm not hearing you.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Why why is England so important to the Templars?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Wow, Well, you know, the Kaffers valued they had they
had very similar values belief systems to the Templars, and
they didn't specifically believe in the resurrection of Jesus. They believe,
many of them believe, depending on the sect that you
(11:14):
you know that you research, believe that Jesus came into Europe,
actually came into Europe with Mary Nijelm. Others believe that
he died, he did, was crucified, but that he was
not resurrected. In other words, he was not a god.
They believed that he was a man.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
So what's your take.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Well, my take is I think it's very possible, you know,
given Jesus is at the age of thirty three, you know,
and it appears that he has, you know, all of
these miracles attributed to him. And you know, I myself
has a have experienced personal miracles, so I know these
(12:02):
are married.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
I know it's possible.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I know these things are possible. And it appears that
he was a very highly initiated individual and the esoteric practices,
and you know, I I really I believe. And also
if he was, he was a rabbi, and in order
to be a rabbi you have to be married. So
(12:27):
they it just was not you were not accepted if
you weren't married. And very very probably they also expected
you to have a family, because those were the traditions
of the time. I personally believe that that that he
was married to Mary Magdalene, after reading the Nostel Gnostic
Gospels and nog Homedy library Uh and the Gospels of
(12:52):
Mary and some of the other gospels of Thomas, and
you know, I believe that they they were married, that
they were full and very it's very likely that they
had children, and of course they would want to get
those children into Europe. They were not anywhere to be safe.
They wanted to get them out of Holy Land.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
So the stories that I.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Have been told by people in France, in France, including
that in Marseille, that had been she told me she'd
been waiting for me for years, that she's learning a
vision college so that when I came, she could tell
me the things that she told me and also send
me up into Saint Oh So to the resting place.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Very man, you are and you are convinced, so that
Jesus resurrected.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Do I believe that Jesus was resurrected?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yes, I believe that he went to an initiation process
and near death experience.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
That's what I believe.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
He was put up on a cross, they took him down.
I think he died.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
No, I think that he came very close to death.
He may even been given a potion that would simulate
death and was taken into the cave at that point
that I believe that he that he had a near death.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Experience but survived the crucifixion.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Well, you know miracles. I have seen many, many miracles.
Storage I've gone through one myself. I had a near
death experience myself, So you know, I know, and I
know many people. I've talked to many people who have
had near death experiences that have survived things that no
one should have survived. So it's very I think it's
(14:46):
highly possible that he survived.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
If he survived, is there any record of his eventual death,
I mean, did he live until seventy or eighty?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
That say that again, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
How late did he live?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
How long did he live?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
We don't know, you know, we really don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
But I think that he you know that he did.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I think it's very possible that he came into Europe
with Mary Magdalen and he lived out his life. I
think it's very possible.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Are there any records of him living out his life?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
No, there's no records. The only thing that we do
have is ostaries that were discovered by the Knight's temper
while they are in the Holy Land. That again, I
highly suggest you have a conversation with Timothy Hoven because
he's been very enlightening as far as the research that
the Templars have possession of. That they do know where
(15:52):
the bones of Jesus and Mary Magdalene, the children they
were later taken back to the Holy Land and.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Placed in these awswere that.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Beared their names, and you know, so they I believe
they lived out a life in Europe, you know, and
they were returned to the Osturoys. Their bones were returned
to the Osuroys to lay them to rest.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you,
Kathleen Ball with us here, Kathleen. The Templars were active
until thirteen twelve AD. What happened to them? What made
them stop?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Well, you know, many people know that they were They
were literally attacked and rounded up after a propaganda you.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Know, by the King Philip.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
The Fair in France spread a great deal of propaganda,
negative propaganda about the Templars prior to you know, trying
to splay public opinion before he went after the Templars.
And this took some time. But basically what happened in
twelve ninety two, you know, their goose is Penacook. They
(00:52):
they they lost Acker, they lost the Holy Land. All
the monarchs in your at that time were broke trying
to support these crusades, so they were all broke, the kings.
But the monarchs were pretty tired of this whole thing.
And the Templars came back and they really didn't fit,
(01:14):
you know, I mean, they had embedded themselves in the
monarchies and the administrative you know, workings of the monarchues.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
But they were in a precarious position because they weren't
being utilized as a militia or a military force anymore.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Really, that wasn't their primary purpose anymore. They had become
bankers and landowners, and they loaned a great deal of
money to the monarchs. And many of the monarchs in
Europe were jealous for one thing.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
They were jealous of.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
The power, and the Catholic Church was most definitely jealous
of their power. And they did not approve of the
country Portugal if they had put together, you know, protecting
all of these people that the Church considered heretics. So
you know, all of this kind of came to a
(02:09):
head when King Philip's affair was broke. You know, he
was dead broke. His father left him with nothing, There
was nothing in the coppers, and so he first he
got he rounded up all the wealth of the Jewish people,
and you know, and he ran them out of France.
(02:30):
And then that wasn't enough. He wanted more, and so
he went after the templars to try to take all
of their possessions, which, as we know from history, they
did not. They did not get a fold of most
of the wealth of the Templars. They were able, they
had some kind of heads up. From what I understand
(02:51):
and from the research that I've done, it looks like
they knew in advance. I think Jacques Dumree was going
to still try to negotiate with the Pope and with
Philip Affair because he had been you know, he had
been working with this men for a very long time,
so he had every reason to believe that he could,
(03:13):
you know, talk the situation through. But he did send
just in case. He did send many of his Templars
to law Rochelle, and they did smuggle the most of
the gold, most of the wealth of the Templars had
in France outside of the country, and I believe that
they sent it both up into Scotland and also down
(03:36):
into Portugal, and I think that a lot of it
found its way into Tomar, which was it was really
the stronghold of the Templars. And you know, it's really
interesting because everybody has focused so much energy time research
on France at being the primary country where the Templars,
(04:00):
you know, had their strongholds. But from everything that I
have researched, it really looks like France was more of
a front and Portugal was really their primary location where
the seat of power.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Was really held.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Tomar, you know the templars in Tomar, you know, they
had vast lambs, absolutely, the templars in Portugal, just the
whole country had vast lambs. I mean they owned they'd
almost owned the country. They ran the country, certainly. And
(04:39):
you know, after finding that port in Tunish and finding
out that they had this whole naval base and they
were traveling freely to other countries including South America, you know,
it leads me to believe that that really truly was
their primary stronghold was actually Portugal. But you know, given
(05:02):
their numbers and everything they had going for them, it
was not enough to turn back the wheels of the
propaganda that King Philips affair had set up. And so
you know, there were several hundred of them, thousands actually
by the time the whole thing was said and done,
that were rounded up and there were sent sent to
the dungeon in Dome and also in Chinon, France. And
(05:27):
then King Philip went after the other monarchs. He budied
up with the Catholic Pope at the time and put
pressure on the other monarchs to round up the Templars
and disband them in other countries as well. So you
know this. I just find it really interesting that the
propaganda was so powerful that he generated that it literally
(05:51):
destroyed an organization that at one time had probably close
to twenty twenty five thousand members across Europe and in
the Holy Land. So yeah, does I hope that answer
should questions.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Were they ever the guardians of the so called Arc
of the Covenant?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yes, they are, and from what I understand again after
many conversations with Timothy Hogan, who's the Grand Master of
the Templars, currently, there are several arcs of the Covenant.
Now I believe that they excavated one of these in
(06:32):
the Holy Land.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
And I believe and.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I also know that prior to going into the Holy Land,
the Templars traveled far and live. They went into Constantinople
which is now Istanbul. They were tracking down all of
the ancient esoteric belief systems and spiritual.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Culture and they were I believe.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Looking specifically for relics for the Arcs of the Covenant,
And from what I understand from Timothy, there are actually
ten arcs, and the Templars are aware of the location.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Of six of them.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
They say, there's one in a church in Ethiopia. You've
heard about that.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Oh, yes, yeah, yeah, that's one of the locations that
I intend to travel to as a matter of fact,
act soon. In Ethiopia. It's a small town and there
is a small temple there that has been protected by
a specific family for generations. One member of the family
(07:38):
each generation commits to protecting the arc that they say
is there, and they don't. They never leave the building,
they never go outside, they never interact with, you know,
with the people they spend They dedicate their entire life
to protecting this relic. And from one of them stands
(08:01):
it is also they move it when they feel that
it's in danger of you know, someone trying to take
it away from them. That it has been moved to
other locations periodically. So whether or not it's still in
that location, I really couldn't tell you. But that is
a location that I intend to to research myself. I'm
(08:26):
actually planning a trip to Theopia next year.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
So did you say earlier that Jesus may have fathered
a child through Mary Magdalene.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yes, it looks like they father he fathered two children
with Mary Magdalen, and she already had an existing child,
possibly from her marriage with John the Baptist. There are
three children from the research that.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I've uncovered, so there very well could be a bloodline
of Jesus on this planet.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, absolutely potentially. You know, if you think about three children,
one of them is you know, rich you have been married,
which later became the monarchs in France. And I have
reason to believe that that is true after traveling to
Saint baum myself and talking with you know, the people
(09:20):
at the monastery there, the monks of the monastery, the
kings in France. For hundreds of years, they made pilgrimages
back and forth to Saint Baume to have Mary Magdalene
blessed the fertility of their marriage. So you know, that
seems like a tremendous amount of effort for a lot
of different monarchs for a very long time if there
(09:42):
was nothing to it. But again, you know, we don't
have access to those records, so we can't really prove anything.
But if that is the fact, and then there were
two other children, if you just think about, you know,
the generations since that time, and we're talking to First
and Tree, potentially we could be there could actually be
(10:04):
several hundred million descendants at this point in time.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
That's amazing and incredible.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, if there could be, there actually could be.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Tell us why England is so significant to the Templars agenda.
I beg your pardon England? Why is it so important?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Do I know of any specifically?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Why is England so important to the Templars agenda?
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Well, I'm sorry, George, I'm not hearing you.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Why why is England so important to the Templars?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Wow, Well, you know, the Kaffers valued they had they
had very similar values belief systems to the Templars, and
they didn't specifically believe in the resurrection of Jesus. They believe,
many of them believe, depending on the sect that you
(11:14):
you know that you research, believe that Jesus came into Europe,
actually came into Europe with Mary Nijelm. Others believe that
he died, he did, was crucified, but that he was
not resurrected. In other words, he was not a god.
They believed that he was a man.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
So what's your take.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Well, my take is I think it's very possible, you know,
given Jesus is at the age of thirty three, you know,
and it appears that he has, you know, all of
these miracles attributed to him. And you know, I myself
has a have experienced personal miracles, so I know these
(12:02):
are married.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
I know it's possible.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I know these things are possible. And it appears that
he was a very highly initiated individual and the esoteric practices,
and you know, I I really I believe. And also
if he was, he was a rabbi, and in order
to be a rabbi you have to be married. So
(12:27):
they it just was not you were not accepted if
you weren't married. And very very probably they also expected
you to have a family, because those were the traditions
of the time. I personally believe that that that he
was married to Mary Magdalene, after reading the Nostel Gnostic
Gospels and nog Homedy library Uh and the Gospels of
(12:52):
Mary and some of the other gospels of Thomas, and
you know, I believe that they they were married, that
they were full and very it's very likely that they
had children, and of course they would want to get
those children into Europe. They were not anywhere to be safe.
They wanted to get them out of Holy Land.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
So the stories that I.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Have been told by people in France, in France, including
that in Marseille, that had been she told me she'd
been waiting for me for years, that she's learning a
vision college so that when I came, she could tell
me the things that she told me and also send
me up into Saint Oh So to the resting place.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Very man, you are and you are convinced, so that
Jesus resurrected.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Do I believe that Jesus was resurrected?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yes, I believe that he went to an initiation process
and near death experience.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
That's what I believe.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
He was put up on a cross, they took him down.
I think he died.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
No, I think that he came very close to death.
He may even been given a potion that would simulate
death and was taken into the cave at that point
that I believe that he that he had a near death.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Experience but survived the crucifixion.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Well, you know miracles. I have seen many, many miracles.
Storage I've gone through one myself. I had a near
death experience myself, So you know, I know, and I
know many people. I've talked to many people who have
had near death experiences that have survived things that no
one should have survived. So it's very I think it's
(14:46):
highly possible that he survived.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
If he survived, is there any record of his eventual death,
I mean, did he live until seventy or eighty?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
That say that again, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
How late did he live?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
How long did he live?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
We don't know, you know, we really don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
But I think that he you know that he did.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I think it's very possible that he came into Europe
with Mary Magdalen and he lived out his life. I
think it's very possible.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Are there any records of him living out his life?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
No, there's no records. The only thing that we do
have is ostaries that were discovered by the Knight's temper
while they are in the Holy Land. That again, I
highly suggest you have a conversation with Timothy Hoven because
he's been very enlightening as far as the research that
the Templars have possession of. That they do know where
(15:52):
the bones of Jesus and Mary Magdalene, the children they
were later taken back to the Holy Land and.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Placed in these awswere that.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Beared their names, and you know, so they I believe
they lived out a life in Europe, you know, and
they were returned to the Osturoys. Their bones were returned
to the Osuroys to lay them to rest.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
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